May 28, 2024 • 36 mins
Jason tells you why Rick Carlisle has to own the last thirty seconds of Game 4. Has there ever/will there ever be a retirement more universally celebrated by fans than Angel Hernandez? Plus, more memories of Bill Walton!
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Day that just continues to shock everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Oh but.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
The Celtics go to the NBA Finals tonight. They beat
the Pacers one oh five, one oh two, And I
know that Rick Carlyle is whether he's gonna say it
out loud publicly or not, he's gonna sit and blame
the officials and say, oh, calls. We didn't get calls
first couple of games against the Knicks, didn't get the calls.
(01:34):
In game three, we should have gotten some original fans.
You got swept. It's over what I would like to
see Rick Carlyle do because he took the onus for
losing Game one, right, which is this which is the
game that ended this series? Because that was the game
the Pacers had to have. Celtics will give you, they'll
give you one game a series. That was the game
they had to have, And it was misconstrued the day
(01:56):
after by so many talking heads as I feel great
if I'm the Pacers, Oh, I feel awful.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
We told you that much. This is the game they
had to have. This is the game they had to have.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Because that is the quintessential homage, tribute, celebration of the
life and times and Dennis Green, if there ever was one.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
We knew who they were and we let them off
the hook.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They had to have that game because the Celtic people
forget the Celtics are a better team all of a sudden,
it was oh look, oh good, the pays. No, the
Celtics play down to you sometimes, and when they play down,
you have to have that game. Not getting that game,
that's what lost.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The series for them.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And Rick Carlisle's got to own it because there's a
couple of things he could have done. They should have fouled,
he should have called time out and moved the ball.
All these things that the Pacers didn't do in Game
one that he owned. He's got to own the last
thirty seconds of this game because this was just utterly
ridiculous for a guy who has been a really good
coach for a long time. And the way they biffed
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the last thirty seconds, I just don't get And it
still doesn't make sense to me. With thirty seconds left
in the game, the Celtic are up three, right, the
Pacers missed a shot, and yes, it was tough for them.
Without Haliburton, they have nobody down the stretch really to
make shots.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's very difficult, and I get that, but the Celtics
have the ball.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Fouls committed against Jason Tatum, so the Celtics have the
ball twenty nine seconds left in their up three. What
do you do if you're the Pacers here, you foul,
and you extend the game, and you give your team
as many chances as possible to try to win the game.
You foul right away, you felt whatever you need. You
get guys onto the free throw line, you make them
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make their free throws. If the Celtics make their free
throws and they win, they make their free throws and
they win. That's how the game is supposed to go.
But you do whatever you can to try to extend
the game. Instead, what Rick Carlisle did was allow the
Celtics to take the shot clock all the way down
to zero and get a last shot. Now I get
that philosophy of hey, well, if you know, we think
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that they can miss and we can get the ball back.
But in the best case scenario, Jason tatums a three,
and we can argue with the fact that he took
a three, probably should have gone to the hoop, but
still he took a three, And maybe that was part
of it was I know, if I miss, we're getting
a long rebound and maybe we can get that. Or
it's not one of those plays where it's simple where
if I go in for a layup and I miss.
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The Pacers are right back out throwing it down court.
Right with a long rebound, it's harder to get a
handle on the basketball, which I can understand that part
of it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So best case scenario.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Is the Celtics miss, and the Pacers have the ball
or get the ball somewhere between seven and five seconds left.
By the time they corral the ball, they go up
court and it's a rushed, harried three from somewhere likely
just inside the just inside a half court to try
to tie this game and send it to overtime, Like,
how is that an acceptable strategy? Like that's the best
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case scenario that Rick Carlos said, We're okay with doing that.
And meanwhile, when you do that, you lessen the chances
you have to win the game and increase the chances
the Celtics have to win because what do we see happen?
Tatum missed the shot, but it doesn't matter because it
was a long rebound. Celtics got it and the Pacers
could never even foul, and the Celtics had the balls
the clock hit zero, they go on they win at
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one oh five, one oh two, And I don't understand
that and that's a complete biff by Rick Carlisle because
he turned it into an all or nothing play. That
was a low percentage all or nothing play. It was
very low percentage. And I win this argument by simply saying, Okay,
what's a bigger advantage for a team? Well, what's what's
a bigger deficit you have to overcome if the team
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is beating you by three points with thirty seconds left,
or if the team is beating you by three points
with seven seconds left. It's a lot harder to overcome
that with seven seconds left. But Rick Carlisle was okay
with that, and it made absolutely no sense, and I'll
never understand why.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
But hey, let's take it down.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Take it down, and let's take a chance by we
think they'll miss one shot. Yeah, but you only have
a few seconds to get the ball back up the
court and you have to you have to hope they
miss and you get the rebound and everything goes right
as you get the ball up court, and still you
get a really bad shot.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You extend the game. Make them hit free throws.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Make because here's the here's the thing about free throws
is that they can hit a couple of free throws,
and you can come down and hit a three, like
you can come down and do that. So just because
they get a two doesn't mean they're to continue that lead. Hey,
we're up by three, they hit, they get their free throws,
We come down and hit a three. Guess what, They're
up by two. Now we foul again and send them
to the free throw line they hit. The weekend said
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you can keep hitting threes. You can cut into their
lead if you need to. And so nothing makes sense
why the Pacers didn't try to extend the game at
the end.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And I want Rick Carlisle to own.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
It, because hey you should, because if you're gonna sit
here and blame the officials and say this is why
we lost a couple of games, here go okay, yeah
you gotta say, hey, game one was my fault.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Game four was my fault because it was.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Don't forget game three, man three games you should have
won in this series, right if you go down to
percentages and odds and where we were in you know,
the old fun and excitement win probability. I did like
the way you enumerated things because you were truly Elliott
Gould in Ocean's Eleven Unless we forget You're still in
the middle of the bleeping desert, right, you have a
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five second differential between the game clock and being able
to run out the shot clock.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And you let them bring the ball up and take
I would I would argue that Tatum was looking more
style points than strategy when he Oh.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
He was because he was ready. He was ready with
the hand up in the air, like we're going to
the other like I'm ready.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
For this for the Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm doing
right instead, But like we talk about this with regular
season games on Tuesday and Wednesday nights when we're on
air together, Jason, like, you extend the hell out of
these and you fight, you claw, and you make them
earn every bit at the free throw line, because you
know what, free throws, except for a very few number
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of players in this league, are not automatic anymore.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
You send Kyrie, you send Steph. There's a few of
these guys, Yeah, they're ninety one, ninety two percent. A
lot of the rest of the league, no, not so much, right,
So let them earn their metal there and grab as
many possessions as you can. Now, they couldn't hit the
broadside of a bar and I guess they did hit
two three pointers for their final shots, made you know
(08:14):
their only shots made the final six thirty three of
this game to your point earlier, Yeah, nobody was shooting
particularly well, So the fact that White hit that wide
open three point shot, I think we were all a
bit stunned the way the game had been playing out
to that point. But yeah, just for Carlisle once again.
And we talked with Mark Medina a little bit about it,
(08:36):
Like you got a veteran coach and three times in
a four game sweep, there's a lot of questions about strategy,
decision making and just process of how do you utilize
and find your way to bleed out the final seconds
of a clock to get yourself a win in adverse
situation like we understand you're undermanned, right, Haliburton being out
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and they've got superstars on the other side. Uh, and
you Pascal Siakam was fantastic during the series One Man
One Man Gang oftentimes, and you got great contributions from
McConnell and from Obi topping uh for the majority of
this series. But in the final minutes of a game,
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it's just unconscionable. Some of the decisions or the all right,
just let him play, not calling timeouts in this case,
not fouling. Just will will stand up forever like no
matter what else you want to say, It's like droughts
and and yeah, we we played with great heart. Whatever, Well,
you didn't play smart. You played with a lot of
heart and conviction. You didn't play smart in the final minutes.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, and look, and playing with playing with heart and
conviction will can get you by a team like the Knicks,
who are struggling to stay healthy and only have so
many guys on the guts and guy all yeah, I
mean we got that. They got guts and guys, we
feel okay. St Oh, just stop, man, Joe, you're embarrassing yourself.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Dude. Wait you know what, my dude, I gotta let
America know the truth.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
No, no, no, no, that only happens when you're talking pro
Nicks on a show. Didn't you hear the budsmen of
our sports media.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
World here, Let me just say this, the Lakers are
close to hiring Doc Rivers as their next head. Oh no,
because I know it. No, because I know you go
home and there's a statue you sit in front of it.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Go.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Jason said that the Lakers are getting Doc Rivers, they
got to sit here and pray for at least a
half hour so that doesn't happen.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the last thing I do.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
It's not gonna you know, it's gonna be jj Reddick's
gonna get the job, and he's gonna say, I'm excited
to lean on a guy I'm bringing in who's been
through the wars. I'm bringing in Doc Rivers to be
my assistant coach, and he's gonna help me out with everything.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Just wait, just wait, just the way.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
No, but look, when you get to the final, when
you get to the Eastern Conference Final and you and
you're you're playing a team that is more talented you are.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I mean that that's the whole thing, is that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
You know, when when you play a certain way for
a while, even though it's flawed, I can see where
you fall into that trap of yeah it's not, but
we haven't had to pay for it. And when you
don't pay for things, you tend to blow them off
as something that I we need to be doing a
little bit better, need to be doing a little bit cleaner,
need to be doing it better.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Here.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
We need to go over this a little bit crisper
on this. Need to button this down.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
No, when it's when it's not costing you, it's like, hey,
next time, can't have that.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Okay, great, great, but I'm but hey, but we're winning.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
But this was where the Pacer has done one thing
for a long time and they were able to win.
Now you get to the the Eastern Conference finals, of
what happens, Rick Carlisle, making bad decisions about fouling is
what sent you home because you have to worry about that.
With the Knicks, it wasn't something that was there. But
here it is game one when what's the what's the
biggest thing? We didn't foul and we should have. We
really should have fouled here at the end. Why are
(11:55):
you're not fouling? I don't I don't get it is
a Rick carl This thing anti fouling and it just doesn't.
We don't put guys in the free throw line. When
you get away with your mistakes, it becomes easier and
you get looser. And this is what happened with the Pacers.
They got loose with their mistakes and the Celtics made
them pay because they are more talented than the Pacers.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Are you scratch and your claw, like Paccino talked about,
for all of those inches, and then when it mattered most,
you left those behind.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
You played a gutty forty eight and you got contributions
from guys that were little used or kind of afterthoughts
all season, and then in the final minutes. It's it's
coaching blunders and omissions that send you home. It's if
you're an Indiana Pacers fan. Yeah, you could say, well,
they're a better team and look at how great they
were with the regular season or whatever else. You should
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be pissed because you gave away three games.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
As many people on social media saying what a great run.
I'm so proud of our guys. The other half saying
Rick Carlisle gotta go. This guy's gotta go, man, he
was he killed us in series. Like as many, it
was a great run. And yes, were you gonna beat
the Celtics? Probably not. Did you get to your high point?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yes you did. You were missing Halliburn and understand that
that run was gonna end on We gotta get rid
of Carlisle. Man, Carlile's gotta go.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
No, it's tough, right, because time it again, we just
saw coaching decisions where you're just scratching your head, going
all right, riddle me this, Batman. And after game one
he owned it, right, I should have done this, should
have done that. And then he came back to game
three and did the same damn thing. And then tonight
it wasn't and let's extend it. It's and let's go home.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Hey, you know what, I really I'm missing a lot
of TV.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Like I got Dark Matter is Dark Matters on like
it's fifth episode, and I've missed the whole thing up
until now, and I'm really not caught up. So I
really want to see three Body Problem too. I had
to stop in the middle because of the pesky Eastern
Conference Finals, so I want to get back to that.
Uh exit out bout a Fresca exit swollen Dome. The
Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. Coming
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up next, we'll continue to remember the life of Bill Walton,
plus the surprise retirement that has us all celebrating.
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Speaker 3 (14:59):
Jason, Yeah, what you got Frostburg. I'm pretty sure this
is the one dead song he didn't like.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I would walk out like me when Guns N' Roses
plays COMA. I'm going to the bathroom. How dared going
to the bathroom? Go to the back, horrible human being,
I'm going to the bathroom? Songs ever constructed? Oh stop
stop man, that's like that's like not even a hot take.
That's like a take that no one can that's like
everybody's saying. That's like people saying, oh yeah, I like
(15:27):
the fact that I don't like the fact Angel Hernandez
is retiring.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
No, everybody's excited.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
About man variability and the human error is sports great. Look, man,
nobody has that take where you take away the variability
and the potential for chaos behind the plate, we all lose.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yes, we lost Bill Walton today, an absolute legend at
the age of seventy one. He had been fighting cancer
for a while and look this is this is a
guy who was still working while he was fighting cancer,
still seeing the PAC twelve, the Conference of champions through
till the end.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And something weird and.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Connected with the fact that we watched the Celtics, one
of his former teams, go to the NBA Finals tonight.
The end of the PAC twelve as a conference was
a day and a half ago. With the baseball you
saw the highlight out there as the last play from
the PAC twelve conference before it's gone for good. Something
connecting there with Bill Walton, who was really synonymous with
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UCLA and the PAC eight and the PAC ten and
then being an NBA superstar and only injuries prevented him
from being one of the greatest ever to play the
game as it was, he was really really good, but boy,
injuries really robbed him. But then hitting his next level
as a broadcaster that everybody loved listening to.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
There was nobody who didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
He had that kind of career, that kind of impact
on people, and all the story I've seen today, Then
this is honestly what the fun part of social media is,
because look, for the large part of social media is
a really tough placement. It's becomes it's become such a
tough place and it's very difficult. But this is when
(17:15):
I look at social media, this is what it's for.
So I can see people tell crazy stories about Bill Walton.
I saw a friend of mine I worked with for
a long time at ESPN, Ryan McGee, who has a
radio show on the weekends. He writes for ESPN. He's
does a lot of college football. He told a story
real quick on social media. Couldn't stop laughing at that.
He was on his way to interview Bill Walton to
(17:35):
do a story about him for something at some point.
And then there was a big college story breaking about
sanctions that we're going to be filed against a couple
of teams. So we had to postpone his interview with
Bill Walton to go interview players from like Syracuse and Duke.
I think it was because there was this big story breaking,
he said. I told Bill Walt, Bill, I'm so sorry
(17:57):
I got to reschedule ESPN sending me here. And Bill
Walton said, if I told you this was the first
time the Federal Bureau of Investigation was getting in the
way of Bill Walton, I'd be lying, right, just you know,
just saying stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's how he spoke. It's how he thought about things.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And and and you know, you say you were unique
in one of a kind, and you know that's it
gets overused a lot in superlatives, but that's who Bill
Walton was.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Man, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Gotta say, my my favorite thing is floating about like
all the stories of just random interactions. We've had a
couple of folks chime in, Hey, getting cards autographed and
and talking about times and you know, guys he was
playing against that he's pictured against, and and those battles
and everything. But the number of stories that kind of
(18:44):
echo yours in terms of an on air interview of Yeah,
I really didn't get to say much in the interview
It's one of the finest things I've ever gotten to do. Right,
so many of those. Yeah, it was a twenty five
minute interview. I said four words.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I know what's up, dude. I'm telling you, man, I'll
never forget. Well, look first of my meg, Bill Walton,
where's Richard Jefferson. I never did my Bill Walton impression
to him, like Frank callienda, which I kind of wish
I want at some point because it's a good one.
Justin Frozberg, let me tell you about what it means
to interrupt a host when he is talking.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So didn't you ever do it for him? Because I
just didn't. I don't know. I just didn't. I don't know.
Well you did, and see.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Harmon, Now you got married coming over the.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Top, buddy, Yeah, okay, well remember see see Harmon's comment
about you only get a certain number of words in
when you're.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Interviewing Bill Walton.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
This is about maybe twelve or fourteen years ago, when
I was doing the NBA on ESPN podcast and it
was new, and I was doing it from the beginning,
and then I stopped doing it because ESPN wanted to
pay me fifteen dollars a podcast and I said, no,
I'm not doing that. So I just wanted to get
that in there because it still kind of pisses me off.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Anyway, So well, you still were making money, that would
be it comes one the podcast world.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I'm like, a fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They wanted me to work an hour or two hours
a day on it, three days a week, and they
wanted to pay me fifteen dollars. I go, fifteen people
are getting paid fifteen one hundred bucks a podcasts. You
want to give me fifteen dollars. I go, it's not
worth it to take two hours out of my day.
And it was a good podcast.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I know what folks get paid. It was sometimes I'm like, dude, come.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
On, man, give it fifteen dollars for two hours worth
of work.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
That's less than minimum wage. But that's what they wanted
to offer me in the contract. It was like it
was really it was like fourteen dollars and ninety six
cents a podcast. I'm like, wow, okay, seriously, they really
That's why I knew, Okay, you know, I don't want
to do this. But anyway, at the beginning, when I
did it, before we figured out uh, before we figured
out the money.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Bill Walton was on one of the first ones I did,
and it was like, you know, Mark Stein was.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
On a couple that we did and everything. So Bill
Walton comes on. Ben Stein was not and I took
all his money.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
He took it. He took your money, and.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Uh, that's why you got fifteen hours. Jimmy Kimmel had
to have all of it.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So he comes on and we're taping the interview because
it's you know, he can't stay up too late, and
that was the whole thing when he was coming on
with us for a while that it was too late
for him to come on. So he comes on and
I go, hey, Bill, Jason, Jason, how are you this evening?
Hey Bill, everything's great. We'll get going here. Thanks for
staying up late. I always appreciate it. We'll get going
(21:21):
here in a second and we'll go through. He goes
Jason asked me, ask me anything I am anything you
want to say? Okay, great, So okay, my producers all right,
we're ready. We'll roll whatever he wants. And I said, okay, great.
Bill Walton NBA Today Podcast an interview coming down.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Three to one.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Hey, welcome in. It's the NBA ESPN Podcast. We'll get
back into whatever it was coming up in a few minutes,
but right now, time to talk to Bill Walton, NBA legend,
Hall of Famer Bill. What's happening, Jason, What an unbelievable
night in the NBA. It was Phoenix Suns and Steve Nash.
What a pleasure it is to watch him play. They
(21:59):
beat the Blazers tonight one thirteen to ninety six. My Blazers,
who didn't put up a fight at all. And that
was the last I spoke for four minutes. He went
through every single game in the NBA that it was
like a heavy night. It was like a Wednesday night,
like they were like ten games and he was four minutes.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Seems pretty short.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
But he goes.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
He goes thirty seconds with the high scores of what
he liked. And Steve Nash. I love the way he
sees the floor, his big dime at the end to
Sean Marion for the three. That is just something that
is absolutely exquisite. And speaking of exquisite, the Lakers come
up with a big win. Kobe Bryant has thirty five points.
He never met a shot he didn't like, but it
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doesn't matter, and he goes he does every single game,
and I'm sitting here going, he's really gonna go through
every single game? And my producer is texting me, going,
are you gonna jump in? I go what am I
gonna do?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
What?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
He's going through all the games? What do you want?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
We're talking about the NBA tonight. Bill is just doing
it this way. And we see some saying what games
he gonna do next? Like, oh, he's gonna do the
Knicks next. Oh no, he's gonna do the next next.
And he went four minutes and he just gave the
recaps of all the games, and then he finishes by saying,
show an unbelievable night, Jason, where would you like to start?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
And I'm like, Bill, the interviews hope for you already
said everything. What are we gonna say? Now? You talked
about everything going on in the game tonight? What what
else are we gonna do?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Because they said keep the interviews to about like eight minutes,
I'm like, okay, well, just saying hi was four and
a half minutes. How many more questions am I really
gonna get in? So when we sent him the interview
the next day and go here's a Bill Walton interview.
It's fourteen minutes. Well that's way too much. You know
what you said, you booked Bill Walton, that's gonna be
the interview we're using all fourteen minutes. You're the guy
that booked them for me, and the first one unless
(23:44):
you want to take out the first four minutes of
recapping the games.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
That's what the interview is gonna be. But that's what
he was. He did.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
He did the whole night in the NBA, all ten games.
It was like my own personal sports center. He's just
saying everything happening, and what a night for Carmelo Anthony.
He scores twenty nine, the Nicks break a four game
losing streak.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
There's just a big win over this seventy six ers.
And never said that, and that was everything. That was
that part.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, he may have. I'm just I'm just giving an example.
I'm just giving an examples.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Trying to pull stuff out of the air here.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
That but that was him. But that was Billboard.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
That was the guy he was, and he would just
say whatever was on his mind, and he would and
he would do it entertainingly, and he would do it
intelligently and He did it in such a self deprecating
kind of way where you knew how smart he was,
but he didn't have to always show you he was
the smartest guy in the room.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
He really He was just a joy.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
And I just keep I keep thinking back to the
fact that I just I wish I always wanted to
see the sports world the way he did, because he
saw it the right way. He saw it with. It's
a serious thing and we should take it serious. It's
a big money thing and.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
People enjoy it, but they also want to have fun.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And I'm gonna do these PAC twelve after Dark game
and it's Arizona State and USC or it's Washington State
and Oregon and nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
So I'm gonna play the xylophone. Dave Pesh, listen to me.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I will play your song on the xylophone, and you
try to understand and tell me what song it is.
It's gonna be an old name that tune, which is
a game that was played way before you were born.
We're gonna play it anyway right here. I mean, all
that stuff worked. It just worked because it was Bill
and it was I could see the game in front
of me, and I can still watch guys go in
for alliops and I could still listen to Bill Walton
(25:30):
say stuff like that and do bits like that, and
I can even not care about the game at all,
but just watch it because I enjoyed listening to him
say what he said. And there's not a lot of
guys out there as much as Fox is paying Tom Brady,
as much as CBS is paying Tony Romo. Hey, if
it's a bad game, people are gonna go to another game.
It's more fun. But when Bill Walton's doing a game,
(25:52):
what else are you gonna do? Oh, I'm gonna go No,
I'm gonna sick with Bill Walton. But it's Arizona State
and USC. It that both these teams are seven and
fourteen doesn't matter. Bill Walton's doing something fun. He's he's
singing with the song girls, now the USC song girls.
Let's watch Bill Walton do that.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
That was who he was.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
No, but that's the thing, right, you go down and
you know someone will probably get mad at me. You know,
Kevin Harlan's on the short list. But how many guys
do you really say, or women that are calling games
that you tune in that you're gonna watch like regardless
of game like Walton was it right for us.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Part of it was the love that was.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
You know, there were live games on while you and
I are on air, going deep into the night, and
obviously as we come on air there's always something going.
But you know, ten ten thirty, we still had back
twelve basketball games going on that Bill Walton was giving
us absolute gold. And to your point, towards the last
couple of years, what did we have Bill Walton's on campus.
(26:46):
Here's what he did earlier today and there he is
running around, you know, with with the rowing teams or
whatever else. And it was always just that passion and
positivity that just radiated through and the old I never
know what's gonna come out of his mouth next, right,
It's like me growing up in Chicago. We've been playing
Ken Harrelson and I'm sure we'll hear him again before
(27:07):
the night's done. Go back to Harry Carey when he
was a White Sox announcer before his many years on
the North Side, rushing home from school because you had
no idea where the story was gonna go next and done.
And with Bill Walton, it was just the infectious love
of what he was broadcast. If the game was terrible,
he would sell the hell out whoever, whoever the guy
(27:31):
or next guy up was, or the coach, Oh it's
a down recruiting cycle, he had a guy transfer or
whatever else. I can only imagine how crazy it would
really get in this new NI album.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
None of these guys were on the team last year.
You know, it's it's really just it's a huge loss.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I mean you just saw it from all the competitors
during his time in the in the NBA, showing up
old photos, fans, broadcast partners all the way through, folks
just saying you know, and on the broadcasting side, you know,
just one after another going.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
My career would have never been made without him.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Dave passes.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Anyone listening to this or watching this anywhere, this is
a twenty five point burial, and.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
There's ten minutes left to go in the gate. Is
anybody really watching?
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Well, then he said, let me tell you about a time,
and then there would be a story to fill the time.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And then the producer gets in, Dave Passes here and says, Dave,
keep everybody here. Don't tell people it's okay to turn off.
Don't tell people it's okay to tell it. Well, you know, Bill,
I tell you USC had a big comeback about a
month ago. They were down eighteen of the second half
and they came back to tit up.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Oh man, I'll tell you he was something. What a legend.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Coming up next, we are going to examine the rarest
of things in sports, a retirement that everybody loves.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
That it's very rare.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
You get a topic that everybody is on one side of.
But that's what we have coming up next. Right here,
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Speaker 2 (28:59):
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Speaker 1 (29:06):
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Speaker 3 (29:11):
And I know we were all surprised. We watch the
Celtics win tonight. Yes, I'm not surprised of that boring.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Wow. Look, the Pacers failed spectacularly again.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
But the gift we all got, and I say we
all got because there's there's nobody that was not a
fan of this story. Angel Hernandez is retiring as an
MLB umpire effective immediately, no long term goodbye.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
No hey, he's gonna have a big tour and.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
And all stadiums are gonna boo the crap out of him,
you know, for the next sheit. No, no, he is
retiring effective immediately. He had been working on a bit
of a negotiation with Major League Baseball on his paperwork
the last few weeks about a buy out in the settlement,
and uh, he's done. Angel is widely regarded as the
worst umpire any of us have ever seen. We all
(30:07):
have beef with Angel Hernandez. It's kind of like Scottie
Pippens got beef and there we all have beef with
Angel Hernandez. He's gone, and major League Baseball fans and
I all linked up hands and they're singing like it's
the end of Return of the Jedi. They're all singing
yep nub in their party with stormtroopers heads on on
on top of sticks in their b Oh. Yeah, I
(30:28):
mean that's what Billy D Williams is sitting there clapping,
and you're seeing the the the holograms of of of Anakin,
And I mean, you know, put in with with obviously with
with getting rid of the old guy and getting you Yeah,
well you have to do that, you know, yeah, you
know you can buy.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Action right now, the official Star Wars action figure producer
of what Force ghosts They.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Care hated Angel Hernandez or the guy from that Star
Wars jar Jar.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Oh oh wow, I would jarge.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Art's gotten.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Uh you know a little bit of a rebound here.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
You can almost say more hated that or hating christiansen.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Do that.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
The kid, the kid took a lot of incoming.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Yeah, you know the Phantom Menace.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah no, not great, Bob, not great, uh no, but
I mean universal. That's the party going on right now.
There's bonfires and people are clapping and they're singing Yub nub.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Don't give up. Pao yeh nub don't give up.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
It was a pretty crazy story, right.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
We started pushing uh some things back and forth earlier today,
and like I wanted to do.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Like triple takes to make sure that it was right.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I know, right, I never thought it would happen, like
a day you never thought you'd see.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, I know, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's great on a day where we find out we're
about a year away from robot umpires, which he would retire. Right,
I'm not gonna have some uh you know, automated ball
strike zone telling me what a strike at a ball as
I'm retiring before that.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
But but as we talked about a little bit earlier,
a guy who sued the lead, I haven't been promoted
and you know, I don't get.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
The top nine Wonder Opera opportunities.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And then they went and they had to publicly shame him.
They rang the bell and everything.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I mean, look, everybody has a story.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
And then all the videos that have gone up tonight
about here's what Angel Hernandez did to my team. Everybody's
got it.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Steve McMichael singing the seventh inning stretch. I'll see him
in the parking lot after the game. And he got
thrown out.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
But maybe there is no better call about a bad
Angel Hernandez call. Let's go back in the way back
machine and get this from Hawk Harrelson and the White Sox.
But we've been playing most of the night, but now
you get the full experience of it.
Speaker 8 (32:50):
Can't get him who he was safe? No, no, well,
Angel Hernandez blew the call and the infield being back
should have cost him the game.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
It didn't.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Right there, he's safe, he is half the ball and.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Another boom call by Hernandez, you.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Should have never come back, just so to Harold's yelling,
now he is safe.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
No, no, yep, no, don't give up your love.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeh no. This is the reaction for Angel Hernandez. And
I've never seen this.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I I defy someone, I defy the hottest of hot
takers that just completely go rogue tomorrow on TV or
the radio and say, you know we're gonna miss Angel hernandezh.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
No, but you were trying it off. Man couldn't do it. Man, No,
I didn't do it. Let's go. You couldn't do it.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I need human error and failure is part of my
games because we need to have that extra intensity knowing
that the bad call is just around the corner.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Dude, you're watching the White Sox this season. It's all
about failure. Shit, it's face, I'm correct, book.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I got the failure.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
The manager back to back days talking about how these
guys are lazy and don't run it out and we
owe it to these people, to these people and to
the owner or whatever. And the players are like, what
the hell, that's what I got. Fifteen wins and a
flaming dumpster.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
You have all the loose the boom call, all the losing.
There is nobody say you know, Baseball's gonna miss him,
and no, there's none of that.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
There's not.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
The closest I can say is that with the IS,
I do feel bad for umpires overall, because it's never
been harder to be an umpire or any kind of
official in sports that it is right now with all
the second guessing, the video evidence and replay. Because MLB
umpires now, once it comes to a year from now
when we're gonna get the automatic balls and strike calls,
(35:02):
they've been they're just guys in suits. Now they're just
guys in uniforms because they only get to make the
call if it's obvious. If it's something that's close, it
gets reviewed and by by replay. So it's like the
so you're talking about, the umpires on the bases really
don't have any authority. They get the easy calls, but
now the home plate umpire is not gonna get to
call balls and strikes.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Sarah's gonna be called from a machine.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So you're just guys in suits hanging out because we
have to have at least some air of authority on
the baseball diamond, Like I don't even know if you
get to if you have to go through training to
be an umpire.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Oh you could just be. You can just finish suit
and go right out on the field. Ye I'll stay right.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Here, I'll call out, I'll call safe, and if if
the call is too close, you're just gonna go look
at it anyway.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
So what do you really need me for?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Yeah, you're like, what my job is to just review
the monitor?
Speaker 4 (35:48):
This No, being the home plate umpire was always a
badge of honor because I can screw things up. I
can eye end in law, you know, versus on the
base pass. I might get one or two plays that
actually matter anyway, And as we saw with Rick Carlile
and the Pacers, you leave it to one or two plays,
you're gonna lose.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Oh yeah, hey listen, hey, the officials, NBA officials, they're
still living large, right, NBA still live in large. Major
League Baseball not so much. That's as far as I
can go. I do feel bad for the umpires what's
coming up? But do I feel bad for Angel Hernandez.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
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Speaker 1 (36:24):
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Day that just continues to shock everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Oh but.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
The Celtics go to the NBA Finals tonight. They beat
the Pacers one oh five, one oh two, And I
know that Rick Carlyle is whether he's gonna say it
out loud publicly or not, he's gonna sit and blame
the officials and say, oh, calls. We didn't get calls
first couple of games against the Knicks, didn't get the calls.
(01:34):
In game three, we should have gotten some original fans.
You got swept. It's over what I would like to
see Rick Carlyle do because he took the onus for
losing Game one, right, which is this which is the
game that ended this series? Because that was the game
the Pacers had to have. Celtics will give you, they'll
give you one game a series. That was the game
they had to have, And it was misconstrued the day
(01:56):
after by so many talking heads as I feel great
if I'm the Pacers, Oh, I feel awful.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
We told you that much. This is the game they
had to have. This is the game they had to have.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Because that is the quintessential homage, tribute, celebration of the
life and times and Dennis Green, if there ever was one.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
We knew who they were and we let them off
the hook.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They had to have that game because the Celtic people
forget the Celtics are a better team all of a sudden,
it was oh look, oh good, the pays. No, the
Celtics play down to you sometimes, and when they play down,
you have to have that game. Not getting that game,
that's what lost.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The series for them.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And Rick Carlisle's got to own it because there's a
couple of things he could have done. They should have fouled,
he should have called time out and moved the ball.
All these things that the Pacers didn't do in Game
one that he owned. He's got to own the last
thirty seconds of this game because this was just utterly
ridiculous for a guy who has been a really good
coach for a long time. And the way they biffed
(02:51):
the last thirty seconds, I just don't get And it
still doesn't make sense to me. With thirty seconds left
in the game, the Celtic are up three, right, the
Pacers missed a shot, and yes, it was tough for them.
Without Haliburton, they have nobody down the stretch really to
make shots.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's very difficult, and I get that, but the Celtics
have the ball.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Fouls committed against Jason Tatum, so the Celtics have the
ball twenty nine seconds left in their up three. What
do you do if you're the Pacers here, you foul,
and you extend the game, and you give your team
as many chances as possible to try to win the game.
You foul right away, you felt whatever you need. You
get guys onto the free throw line, you make them
(03:32):
make their free throws. If the Celtics make their free
throws and they win, they make their free throws and
they win. That's how the game is supposed to go.
But you do whatever you can to try to extend
the game. Instead, what Rick Carlisle did was allow the
Celtics to take the shot clock all the way down
to zero and get a last shot. Now I get
that philosophy of hey, well, if you know, we think
(03:54):
that they can miss and we can get the ball back.
But in the best case scenario, Jason tatums a three,
and we can argue with the fact that he took
a three, probably should have gone to the hoop, but
still he took a three, And maybe that was part
of it was I know, if I miss, we're getting
a long rebound and maybe we can get that. Or
it's not one of those plays where it's simple where
if I go in for a layup and I miss.
(04:15):
The Pacers are right back out throwing it down court.
Right with a long rebound, it's harder to get a
handle on the basketball, which I can understand that part
of it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So best case scenario.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Is the Celtics miss, and the Pacers have the ball
or get the ball somewhere between seven and five seconds left.
By the time they corral the ball, they go up
court and it's a rushed, harried three from somewhere likely
just inside the just inside a half court to try
to tie this game and send it to overtime, Like,
how is that an acceptable strategy? Like that's the best
(04:48):
case scenario that Rick Carlos said, We're okay with doing that.
And meanwhile, when you do that, you lessen the chances
you have to win the game and increase the chances
the Celtics have to win because what do we see happen?
Tatum missed the shot, but it doesn't matter because it
was a long rebound. Celtics got it and the Pacers
could never even foul, and the Celtics had the balls
the clock hit zero, they go on they win at
(05:10):
one oh five, one oh two, And I don't understand
that and that's a complete biff by Rick Carlisle because
he turned it into an all or nothing play. That
was a low percentage all or nothing play. It was
very low percentage. And I win this argument by simply saying, Okay,
what's a bigger advantage for a team? Well, what's what's
a bigger deficit you have to overcome if the team
(05:33):
is beating you by three points with thirty seconds left,
or if the team is beating you by three points
with seven seconds left. It's a lot harder to overcome
that with seven seconds left. But Rick Carlisle was okay
with that, and it made absolutely no sense, and I'll
never understand why.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
But hey, let's take it down.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Take it down, and let's take a chance by we
think they'll miss one shot. Yeah, but you only have
a few seconds to get the ball back up the
court and you have to you have to hope they
miss and you get the rebound and everything goes right
as you get the ball up court, and still you
get a really bad shot.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You extend the game. Make them hit free throws.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Make because here's the here's the thing about free throws
is that they can hit a couple of free throws,
and you can come down and hit a three, like
you can come down and do that. So just because
they get a two doesn't mean they're to continue that lead. Hey,
we're up by three, they hit, they get their free throws,
We come down and hit a three. Guess what, They're
up by two. Now we foul again and send them
to the free throw line they hit. The weekend said
(06:26):
you can keep hitting threes. You can cut into their
lead if you need to. And so nothing makes sense
why the Pacers didn't try to extend the game at
the end.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And I want Rick Carlisle to own.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
It, because hey you should, because if you're gonna sit
here and blame the officials and say this is why
we lost a couple of games, here go okay, yeah
you gotta say, hey, game one was my fault.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Game four was my fault because it was.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Don't forget game three, man three games you should have
won in this series, right if you go down to
percentages and odds and where we were in you know,
the old fun and excitement win probability. I did like
the way you enumerated things because you were truly Elliott
Gould in Ocean's Eleven Unless we forget You're still in
the middle of the bleeping desert, right, you have a
(07:11):
five second differential between the game clock and being able
to run out the shot clock.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And you let them bring the ball up and take
I would I would argue that Tatum was looking more
style points than strategy when he Oh.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
He was because he was ready. He was ready with
the hand up in the air, like we're going to
the other like I'm ready.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
For this for the Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm doing
right instead, But like we talk about this with regular
season games on Tuesday and Wednesday nights when we're on
air together, Jason, like, you extend the hell out of
these and you fight, you claw, and you make them
earn every bit at the free throw line, because you
know what, free throws, except for a very few number
(07:50):
of players in this league, are not automatic anymore.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
You send Kyrie, you send Steph. There's a few of
these guys, Yeah, they're ninety one, ninety two percent. A
lot of the rest of the league, no, not so much, right,
So let them earn their metal there and grab as
many possessions as you can. Now, they couldn't hit the
broadside of a bar and I guess they did hit
two three pointers for their final shots, made you know
(08:14):
their only shots made the final six thirty three of
this game to your point earlier, Yeah, nobody was shooting
particularly well, So the fact that White hit that wide
open three point shot, I think we were all a
bit stunned the way the game had been playing out
to that point. But yeah, just for Carlisle once again.
And we talked with Mark Medina a little bit about it,
(08:36):
Like you got a veteran coach and three times in
a four game sweep, there's a lot of questions about strategy,
decision making and just process of how do you utilize
and find your way to bleed out the final seconds
of a clock to get yourself a win in adverse
situation like we understand you're undermanned, right, Haliburton being out
(08:59):
and they've got superstars on the other side. Uh, and
you Pascal Siakam was fantastic during the series One Man
One Man Gang oftentimes, and you got great contributions from
McConnell and from Obi topping uh for the majority of
this series. But in the final minutes of a game,
(09:20):
it's just unconscionable. Some of the decisions or the all right,
just let him play, not calling timeouts in this case,
not fouling. Just will will stand up forever like no
matter what else you want to say, It's like droughts
and and yeah, we we played with great heart. Whatever, Well,
you didn't play smart. You played with a lot of
heart and conviction. You didn't play smart in the final minutes.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, and look, and playing with playing with heart and
conviction will can get you by a team like the Knicks,
who are struggling to stay healthy and only have so
many guys on the guts and guy all yeah, I
mean we got that. They got guts and guys, we
feel okay. St Oh, just stop, man, Joe, you're embarrassing yourself.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Dude. Wait you know what, my dude, I gotta let
America know the truth.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
No, no, no, no, that only happens when you're talking pro
Nicks on a show. Didn't you hear the budsmen of
our sports media.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
World here, Let me just say this, the Lakers are
close to hiring Doc Rivers as their next head. Oh no,
because I know it. No, because I know you go
home and there's a statue you sit in front of it.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Go.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Jason said that the Lakers are getting Doc Rivers, they
got to sit here and pray for at least a
half hour so that doesn't happen.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the last thing I do.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
It's not gonna you know, it's gonna be jj Reddick's
gonna get the job, and he's gonna say, I'm excited
to lean on a guy I'm bringing in who's been
through the wars. I'm bringing in Doc Rivers to be
my assistant coach, and he's gonna help me out with everything.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Just wait, just wait, just the way.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
No, but look, when you get to the final, when
you get to the Eastern Conference Final and you and
you're you're playing a team that is more talented you are.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I mean that that's the whole thing, is that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
You know, when when you play a certain way for
a while, even though it's flawed, I can see where
you fall into that trap of yeah it's not, but
we haven't had to pay for it. And when you
don't pay for things, you tend to blow them off
as something that I we need to be doing a
little bit better, need to be doing a little bit cleaner,
need to be doing it better.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Here.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
We need to go over this a little bit crisper
on this. Need to button this down.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
No, when it's when it's not costing you, it's like, hey,
next time, can't have that.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Okay, great, great, but I'm but hey, but we're winning.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
But this was where the Pacer has done one thing
for a long time and they were able to win.
Now you get to the the Eastern Conference finals, of
what happens, Rick Carlisle, making bad decisions about fouling is
what sent you home because you have to worry about that.
With the Knicks, it wasn't something that was there. But
here it is game one when what's the what's the
biggest thing? We didn't foul and we should have. We
really should have fouled here at the end. Why are
(11:55):
you're not fouling? I don't I don't get it is
a Rick carl This thing anti fouling and it just doesn't.
We don't put guys in the free throw line. When
you get away with your mistakes, it becomes easier and
you get looser. And this is what happened with the Pacers.
They got loose with their mistakes and the Celtics made
them pay because they are more talented than the Pacers.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Are you scratch and your claw, like Paccino talked about,
for all of those inches, and then when it mattered most,
you left those behind.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
You played a gutty forty eight and you got contributions
from guys that were little used or kind of afterthoughts
all season, and then in the final minutes. It's it's
coaching blunders and omissions that send you home. It's if
you're an Indiana Pacers fan. Yeah, you could say, well,
they're a better team and look at how great they
were with the regular season or whatever else. You should
(12:45):
be pissed because you gave away three games.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
As many people on social media saying what a great run.
I'm so proud of our guys. The other half saying
Rick Carlisle gotta go. This guy's gotta go, man, he
was he killed us in series. Like as many, it
was a great run. And yes, were you gonna beat
the Celtics? Probably not. Did you get to your high point?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yes you did. You were missing Halliburn and understand that
that run was gonna end on We gotta get rid
of Carlisle. Man, Carlile's gotta go.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
No, it's tough, right, because time it again, we just
saw coaching decisions where you're just scratching your head, going
all right, riddle me this, Batman. And after game one
he owned it, right, I should have done this, should
have done that. And then he came back to game
three and did the same damn thing. And then tonight
it wasn't and let's extend it. It's and let's go home.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Hey, you know what, I really I'm missing a lot
of TV.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Like I got Dark Matter is Dark Matters on like
it's fifth episode, and I've missed the whole thing up
until now, and I'm really not caught up. So I
really want to see three Body Problem too. I had
to stop in the middle because of the pesky Eastern
Conference Finals, so I want to get back to that.
Uh exit out bout a Fresca exit swollen Dome. The
Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. Coming
(14:00):
up next, we'll continue to remember the life of Bill Walton,
plus the surprise retirement that has us all celebrating.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
That's next right here, Jason to Mike Fox.
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Speaker 1 (14:53):
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Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Jason, Yeah, what you got Frostburg. I'm pretty sure this
is the one dead song he didn't like.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I would walk out like me when Guns N' Roses
plays COMA. I'm going to the bathroom. How dared going
to the bathroom? Go to the back, horrible human being,
I'm going to the bathroom? Songs ever constructed? Oh stop
stop man, that's like that's like not even a hot take.
That's like a take that no one can that's like
everybody's saying. That's like people saying, oh yeah, I like
(15:27):
the fact that I don't like the fact Angel Hernandez
is retiring.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
No, everybody's excited.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
About man variability and the human error is sports great. Look, man,
nobody has that take where you take away the variability
and the potential for chaos behind the plate, we all lose.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yes, we lost Bill Walton today, an absolute legend at
the age of seventy one. He had been fighting cancer
for a while and look this is this is a
guy who was still working while he was fighting cancer,
still seeing the PAC twelve, the Conference of champions through
till the end.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And something weird and.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Connected with the fact that we watched the Celtics, one
of his former teams, go to the NBA Finals tonight.
The end of the PAC twelve as a conference was
a day and a half ago. With the baseball you
saw the highlight out there as the last play from
the PAC twelve conference before it's gone for good. Something
connecting there with Bill Walton, who was really synonymous with
(16:34):
UCLA and the PAC eight and the PAC ten and
then being an NBA superstar and only injuries prevented him
from being one of the greatest ever to play the
game as it was, he was really really good, but boy,
injuries really robbed him. But then hitting his next level
as a broadcaster that everybody loved listening to.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
There was nobody who didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
He had that kind of career, that kind of impact
on people, and all the story I've seen today, Then
this is honestly what the fun part of social media is,
because look, for the large part of social media is
a really tough placement. It's becomes it's become such a
tough place and it's very difficult. But this is when
(17:15):
I look at social media, this is what it's for.
So I can see people tell crazy stories about Bill Walton.
I saw a friend of mine I worked with for
a long time at ESPN, Ryan McGee, who has a
radio show on the weekends. He writes for ESPN. He's
does a lot of college football. He told a story
real quick on social media. Couldn't stop laughing at that.
He was on his way to interview Bill Walton to
(17:35):
do a story about him for something at some point.
And then there was a big college story breaking about
sanctions that we're going to be filed against a couple
of teams. So we had to postpone his interview with
Bill Walton to go interview players from like Syracuse and Duke.
I think it was because there was this big story breaking,
he said. I told Bill Walt, Bill, I'm so sorry
(17:57):
I got to reschedule ESPN sending me here. And Bill
Walton said, if I told you this was the first
time the Federal Bureau of Investigation was getting in the
way of Bill Walton, I'd be lying, right, just you know,
just saying stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's how he spoke. It's how he thought about things.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And and and you know, you say you were unique
in one of a kind, and you know that's it
gets overused a lot in superlatives, but that's who Bill
Walton was.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Man, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Gotta say, my my favorite thing is floating about like
all the stories of just random interactions. We've had a
couple of folks chime in, Hey, getting cards autographed and
and talking about times and you know, guys he was
playing against that he's pictured against, and and those battles
and everything. But the number of stories that kind of
(18:44):
echo yours in terms of an on air interview of Yeah,
I really didn't get to say much in the interview
It's one of the finest things I've ever gotten to do. Right,
so many of those. Yeah, it was a twenty five
minute interview. I said four words.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I know what's up, dude. I'm telling you, man, I'll
never forget. Well, look first of my meg, Bill Walton,
where's Richard Jefferson. I never did my Bill Walton impression
to him, like Frank callienda, which I kind of wish
I want at some point because it's a good one.
Justin Frozberg, let me tell you about what it means
to interrupt a host when he is talking.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So didn't you ever do it for him? Because I
just didn't. I don't know. I just didn't. I don't know.
Well you did, and see.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Harmon, Now you got married coming over the.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Top, buddy, Yeah, okay, well remember see see Harmon's comment
about you only get a certain number of words in
when you're.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Interviewing Bill Walton.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
This is about maybe twelve or fourteen years ago, when
I was doing the NBA on ESPN podcast and it
was new, and I was doing it from the beginning,
and then I stopped doing it because ESPN wanted to
pay me fifteen dollars a podcast and I said, no,
I'm not doing that. So I just wanted to get
that in there because it still kind of pisses me off.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Anyway, So well, you still were making money, that would
be it comes one the podcast world.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I'm like, a fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They wanted me to work an hour or two hours
a day on it, three days a week, and they
wanted to pay me fifteen dollars. I go, fifteen people
are getting paid fifteen one hundred bucks a podcasts. You
want to give me fifteen dollars. I go, it's not
worth it to take two hours out of my day.
And it was a good podcast.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I know what folks get paid. It was sometimes I'm like, dude, come.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
On, man, give it fifteen dollars for two hours worth
of work.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
That's less than minimum wage. But that's what they wanted
to offer me in the contract. It was like it
was really it was like fourteen dollars and ninety six
cents a podcast. I'm like, wow, okay, seriously, they really
That's why I knew, Okay, you know, I don't want
to do this. But anyway, at the beginning, when I
did it, before we figured out uh, before we figured
out the money.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Bill Walton was on one of the first ones I did,
and it was like, you know, Mark Stein was.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
On a couple that we did and everything. So Bill
Walton comes on. Ben Stein was not and I took
all his money.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
He took it. He took your money, and.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Uh, that's why you got fifteen hours. Jimmy Kimmel had
to have all of it.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So he comes on and we're taping the interview because
it's you know, he can't stay up too late, and
that was the whole thing when he was coming on
with us for a while that it was too late
for him to come on. So he comes on and
I go, hey, Bill, Jason, Jason, how are you this evening?
Hey Bill, everything's great. We'll get going here. Thanks for
staying up late. I always appreciate it. We'll get going
(21:21):
here in a second and we'll go through. He goes
Jason asked me, ask me anything I am anything you
want to say? Okay, great, So okay, my producers all right,
we're ready. We'll roll whatever he wants. And I said, okay, great.
Bill Walton NBA Today Podcast an interview coming down.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Three to one.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Hey, welcome in. It's the NBA ESPN Podcast. We'll get
back into whatever it was coming up in a few minutes,
but right now, time to talk to Bill Walton, NBA legend,
Hall of Famer Bill. What's happening, Jason, What an unbelievable
night in the NBA. It was Phoenix Suns and Steve Nash.
What a pleasure it is to watch him play. They
(21:59):
beat the Blazers tonight one thirteen to ninety six. My Blazers,
who didn't put up a fight at all. And that
was the last I spoke for four minutes. He went
through every single game in the NBA that it was
like a heavy night. It was like a Wednesday night,
like they were like ten games and he was four minutes.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Seems pretty short.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
But he goes.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
He goes thirty seconds with the high scores of what
he liked. And Steve Nash. I love the way he
sees the floor, his big dime at the end to
Sean Marion for the three. That is just something that
is absolutely exquisite. And speaking of exquisite, the Lakers come
up with a big win. Kobe Bryant has thirty five points.
He never met a shot he didn't like, but it
(22:41):
doesn't matter, and he goes he does every single game,
and I'm sitting here going, he's really gonna go through
every single game? And my producer is texting me, going,
are you gonna jump in? I go what am I
gonna do?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
What?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
He's going through all the games? What do you want?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
We're talking about the NBA tonight. Bill is just doing
it this way. And we see some saying what games
he gonna do next? Like, oh, he's gonna do the
Knicks next. Oh no, he's gonna do the next next.
And he went four minutes and he just gave the
recaps of all the games, and then he finishes by saying,
show an unbelievable night, Jason, where would you like to start?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
And I'm like, Bill, the interviews hope for you already
said everything. What are we gonna say? Now? You talked
about everything going on in the game tonight? What what
else are we gonna do?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Because they said keep the interviews to about like eight minutes,
I'm like, okay, well, just saying hi was four and
a half minutes. How many more questions am I really
gonna get in? So when we sent him the interview
the next day and go here's a Bill Walton interview.
It's fourteen minutes. Well that's way too much. You know
what you said, you booked Bill Walton, that's gonna be
the interview we're using all fourteen minutes. You're the guy
that booked them for me, and the first one unless
(23:44):
you want to take out the first four minutes of
recapping the games.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
That's what the interview is gonna be. But that's what
he was. He did.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
He did the whole night in the NBA, all ten games.
It was like my own personal sports center. He's just
saying everything happening, and what a night for Carmelo Anthony.
He scores twenty nine, the Nicks break a four game
losing streak.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
There's just a big win over this seventy six ers.
And never said that, and that was everything. That was
that part.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, he may have. I'm just I'm just giving an example.
I'm just giving an examples.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Trying to pull stuff out of the air here.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
That but that was him. But that was Billboard.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
That was the guy he was, and he would just
say whatever was on his mind, and he would and
he would do it entertainingly, and he would do it
intelligently and He did it in such a self deprecating
kind of way where you knew how smart he was,
but he didn't have to always show you he was
the smartest guy in the room.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
He really He was just a joy.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
And I just keep I keep thinking back to the
fact that I just I wish I always wanted to
see the sports world the way he did, because he
saw it the right way. He saw it with. It's
a serious thing and we should take it serious. It's
a big money thing and.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
People enjoy it, but they also want to have fun.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And I'm gonna do these PAC twelve after Dark game
and it's Arizona State and USC or it's Washington State
and Oregon and nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
So I'm gonna play the xylophone. Dave Pesh, listen to me.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I will play your song on the xylophone, and you
try to understand and tell me what song it is.
It's gonna be an old name that tune, which is
a game that was played way before you were born.
We're gonna play it anyway right here. I mean, all
that stuff worked. It just worked because it was Bill
and it was I could see the game in front
of me, and I can still watch guys go in
for alliops and I could still listen to Bill Walton
(25:30):
say stuff like that and do bits like that, and
I can even not care about the game at all,
but just watch it because I enjoyed listening to him
say what he said. And there's not a lot of
guys out there as much as Fox is paying Tom Brady,
as much as CBS is paying Tony Romo. Hey, if
it's a bad game, people are gonna go to another game.
It's more fun. But when Bill Walton's doing a game,
(25:52):
what else are you gonna do? Oh, I'm gonna go No,
I'm gonna sick with Bill Walton. But it's Arizona State
and USC. It that both these teams are seven and
fourteen doesn't matter. Bill Walton's doing something fun. He's he's
singing with the song girls, now the USC song girls.
Let's watch Bill Walton do that.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
That was who he was.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
No, but that's the thing, right, you go down and
you know someone will probably get mad at me. You know,
Kevin Harlan's on the short list. But how many guys
do you really say, or women that are calling games
that you tune in that you're gonna watch like regardless
of game like Walton was it right for us.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Part of it was the love that was.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
You know, there were live games on while you and
I are on air, going deep into the night, and
obviously as we come on air there's always something going.
But you know, ten ten thirty, we still had back
twelve basketball games going on that Bill Walton was giving
us absolute gold. And to your point, towards the last
couple of years, what did we have Bill Walton's on campus.
(26:46):
Here's what he did earlier today and there he is
running around, you know, with with the rowing teams or
whatever else. And it was always just that passion and
positivity that just radiated through and the old I never
know what's gonna come out of his mouth next, right,
It's like me growing up in Chicago. We've been playing
Ken Harrelson and I'm sure we'll hear him again before
(27:07):
the night's done. Go back to Harry Carey when he
was a White Sox announcer before his many years on
the North Side, rushing home from school because you had
no idea where the story was gonna go next and done.
And with Bill Walton, it was just the infectious love
of what he was broadcast. If the game was terrible,
he would sell the hell out whoever, whoever the guy
(27:31):
or next guy up was, or the coach, Oh it's
a down recruiting cycle, he had a guy transfer or
whatever else. I can only imagine how crazy it would
really get in this new NI album.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
None of these guys were on the team last year.
You know, it's it's really just it's a huge loss.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I mean you just saw it from all the competitors
during his time in the in the NBA, showing up
old photos, fans, broadcast partners all the way through, folks
just saying you know, and on the broadcasting side, you know,
just one after another going.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
My career would have never been made without him.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Dave passes.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Anyone listening to this or watching this anywhere, this is
a twenty five point burial, and.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
There's ten minutes left to go in the gate. Is
anybody really watching?
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Well, then he said, let me tell you about a time,
and then there would be a story to fill the time.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And then the producer gets in, Dave Passes here and says, Dave,
keep everybody here. Don't tell people it's okay to turn off.
Don't tell people it's okay to tell it. Well, you know, Bill,
I tell you USC had a big comeback about a
month ago. They were down eighteen of the second half
and they came back to tit up.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Oh man, I'll tell you he was something. What a legend.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Coming up next, we are going to examine the rarest
of things in sports, a retirement that everybody loves.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
That it's very rare.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
You get a topic that everybody is on one side of.
But that's what we have coming up next. Right here,
Jason and Mike, this is Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Be sure to cat live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with my best
friend Mike Harmon.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And I know we were all surprised. We watch the
Celtics win tonight. Yes, I'm not surprised of that boring.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Wow. Look, the Pacers failed spectacularly again.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
But the gift we all got, and I say we
all got because there's there's nobody that was not a
fan of this story. Angel Hernandez is retiring as an
MLB umpire effective immediately, no long term goodbye.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
No hey, he's gonna have a big tour and.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
And all stadiums are gonna boo the crap out of him,
you know, for the next sheit. No, no, he is
retiring effective immediately. He had been working on a bit
of a negotiation with Major League Baseball on his paperwork
the last few weeks about a buy out in the settlement,
and uh, he's done. Angel is widely regarded as the
worst umpire any of us have ever seen. We all
(30:07):
have beef with Angel Hernandez. It's kind of like Scottie
Pippens got beef and there we all have beef with
Angel Hernandez. He's gone, and major League Baseball fans and
I all linked up hands and they're singing like it's
the end of Return of the Jedi. They're all singing
yep nub in their party with stormtroopers heads on on
on top of sticks in their b Oh. Yeah, I
(30:28):
mean that's what Billy D Williams is sitting there clapping,
and you're seeing the the the holograms of of of Anakin,
And I mean, you know, put in with with obviously with
with getting rid of the old guy and getting you Yeah,
well you have to do that, you know, yeah, you
know you can buy.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Action right now, the official Star Wars action figure producer
of what Force ghosts They.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Care hated Angel Hernandez or the guy from that Star
Wars jar Jar.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Oh oh wow, I would jarge.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Art's gotten.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Uh you know a little bit of a rebound here.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
You can almost say more hated that or hating christiansen.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Do that.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
The kid, the kid took a lot of incoming.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Yeah, you know the Phantom Menace.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah no, not great, Bob, not great, uh no, but
I mean universal. That's the party going on right now.
There's bonfires and people are clapping and they're singing Yub nub.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Don't give up. Pao yeh nub don't give up.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
It was a pretty crazy story, right.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
We started pushing uh some things back and forth earlier today,
and like I wanted to do.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Like triple takes to make sure that it was right.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I know, right, I never thought it would happen, like
a day you never thought you'd see.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, I know, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's great on a day where we find out we're
about a year away from robot umpires, which he would retire. Right,
I'm not gonna have some uh you know, automated ball
strike zone telling me what a strike at a ball as
I'm retiring before that.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
But but as we talked about a little bit earlier,
a guy who sued the lead, I haven't been promoted
and you know, I don't get.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
The top nine Wonder Opera opportunities.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And then they went and they had to publicly shame him.
They rang the bell and everything.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I mean, look, everybody has a story.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
And then all the videos that have gone up tonight
about here's what Angel Hernandez did to my team. Everybody's
got it.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Steve McMichael singing the seventh inning stretch. I'll see him
in the parking lot after the game. And he got
thrown out.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
But maybe there is no better call about a bad
Angel Hernandez call. Let's go back in the way back
machine and get this from Hawk Harrelson and the White Sox.
But we've been playing most of the night, but now
you get the full experience of it.
Speaker 8 (32:50):
Can't get him who he was safe? No, no, well,
Angel Hernandez blew the call and the infield being back
should have cost him the game.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
It didn't.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Right there, he's safe, he is half the ball and.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Another boom call by Hernandez, you.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Should have never come back, just so to Harold's yelling,
now he is safe.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
No, no, yep, no, don't give up your love.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeh no. This is the reaction for Angel Hernandez. And
I've never seen this.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I I defy someone, I defy the hottest of hot
takers that just completely go rogue tomorrow on TV or
the radio and say, you know we're gonna miss Angel hernandezh.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
No, but you were trying it off. Man couldn't do it. Man, No,
I didn't do it. Let's go. You couldn't do it.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I need human error and failure is part of my
games because we need to have that extra intensity knowing
that the bad call is just around the corner.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Dude, you're watching the White Sox this season. It's all
about failure. Shit, it's face, I'm correct, book.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I got the failure.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
The manager back to back days talking about how these
guys are lazy and don't run it out and we
owe it to these people, to these people and to
the owner or whatever. And the players are like, what
the hell, that's what I got. Fifteen wins and a
flaming dumpster.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
You have all the loose the boom call, all the losing.
There is nobody say you know, Baseball's gonna miss him,
and no, there's none of that.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
There's not.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
The closest I can say is that with the IS,
I do feel bad for umpires overall, because it's never
been harder to be an umpire or any kind of
official in sports that it is right now with all
the second guessing, the video evidence and replay. Because MLB
umpires now, once it comes to a year from now
when we're gonna get the automatic balls and strike calls,
(35:02):
they've been they're just guys in suits. Now they're just
guys in uniforms because they only get to make the
call if it's obvious. If it's something that's close, it
gets reviewed and by by replay. So it's like the
so you're talking about, the umpires on the bases really
don't have any authority. They get the easy calls, but
now the home plate umpire is not gonna get to
call balls and strikes.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Sarah's gonna be called from a machine.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So you're just guys in suits hanging out because we
have to have at least some air of authority on
the baseball diamond, Like I don't even know if you
get to if you have to go through training to
be an umpire.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Oh you could just be. You can just finish suit
and go right out on the field. Ye I'll stay right.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Here, I'll call out, I'll call safe, and if if
the call is too close, you're just gonna go look
at it anyway.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
So what do you really need me for?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Yeah, you're like, what my job is to just review
the monitor?
Speaker 4 (35:48):
This No, being the home plate umpire was always a
badge of honor because I can screw things up. I
can eye end in law, you know, versus on the
base pass. I might get one or two plays that
actually matter anyway, And as we saw with Rick Carlile
and the Pacers, you leave it to one or two plays,
you're gonna lose.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Oh yeah, hey listen, hey, the officials, NBA officials, they're
still living large, right, NBA still live in large. Major
League Baseball not so much. That's as far as I
can go. I do feel bad for the umpires what's
coming up? But do I feel bad for Angel Hernandez.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Dance time here it is, this is everybody celebrating.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
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