May 30, 2025 • 40 mins
Jason and Mike bring you the awkward exchange between Pascal Siakam and a reporter after the Pacers Game 5 loss. The guys discuss possible NCAA Tournament expansion.
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello, welcome inside final hour tonight the Jalen Brunson Show
with My bas friend Cat, your selfish bastard? Do you
save that drop for the final hour of the show. Yes,
you only went associated with me. I had people my
timeline today saying, Hey, that drop is that Mike North?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, of course it's Mike North. You selfish basket did.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Got to see him a couple of weeks ago. He
sends love to the NFL schedule guy. Oh, yes, well
different Mike North. Hey, how come the Bears are playing
too many games? At one o'clock in the.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
After numbers Bears nor interviewing Mike North.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Mike.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Inception, It's like Will Smith pitching to Will Smith. You
have an affection for Big met.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Max Munsey playing against Max Munsey almost pulling all the
Mike North drops. There are plenty of them.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Uh So the Knicks win over the Pacers tonight, right,
we saw this, We know this the Knicks Fours Game six,
a game that New York pulled away from the Pacers
in the second half. Pacers kind of put it away
in the fourth quarter. We're gonna go back home and
try to win this series one eleven ninety four. But
(01:50):
doesn't mean we weren't done having entertaining stuff after the game.
Remember Greg Doyle, right, reporter for the Indianapolis Star, made
big headlines a year ago after his uncomfortable back and
forth with Caitlyn Clark at her introductory press conference with
the Indiana Fever. Remember she he made the heart gesture
(02:10):
to her because that's what Caitlyn Clark would do at games,
and she made it back and he said, do that
to me. We'll be all right. It was just really weird,
and he put out an apology, and then it was
announced he wasn't going to cover games live. You know,
we'd still right about the Fever BECU obviously they're a
really big deal. It wasn't gonna cover the games. So
a year later we have.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Another Greg Doyle story. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Really, if you want to go in the longevity, I mean,
you really want to open the books.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
There's plenty of Greg Doyle moments.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah, oh no, no, no, the Caitlan Clark was like
a flash point where it really got extra. No, it's
he's an antagonist, would be the kind way I think
at times.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So after the game tonight, Doyle was talking to Pascal
Siakam right, and no, look, none of the pacers starting
five played well. He was the only one in double figures.
Halliburton was bad, Nie Smith was bad, Hard was badly.
When you add Benedict Mathron, who suddenly is I don't
know why I'm this good, but all of a sudden,
I'm Finnie Johnson. Man, I get off the bench and
I just eat up.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
In a second. Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Doyle asked him, Hey, how is it to the to
the extent like, because it's gonna be hard to hear
his question, so I'm gonna paraphrase it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
The context is that, hey, how can you guys talk about,
you know, playing like this in game five?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Like and I'm not I'm not gonna say what its insinuated.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Basically was, hey, here are the Pacers this kind of
effort in game five when they could have closed out
the Knicks? And how is it possible to not play
hard enough in game five?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That that's basically what we've done. Why we had to
take a look and listen to everything?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
And what was asking asking him? Why did you guys
suck tonight? Yeah? Yeah, say how did you you know?
How do you guys not play hard enough in game five?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And Pascal Siakam did not like that question, And here
is his answer.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
How is that what you mean? How is it pos game?
He's other? Mind? They played harder than It's okay, we
played hard, but they played Harder's what's your point? I
don't get it. That happens in the game doing that's basketball.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You're good.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
You're good, bro. You're looking for something. I know I'm
but damn no, no, But I'm telling you though I.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Told you, what else do you want me to tell you?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
What about you telling me?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Let's go ahead. Who's this guy? Who's this guy?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What's your name?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Brood?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
You're good?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Bro, you're good? Who is this guy? You're good? You're good.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Well, that's made all the more curious because you didn't
just walk through that door. But he's been in the market.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, it's been there a while.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I've been there a minute, and this guy's made some headlines, right,
I mean this is this is second full season deep
playoff run last year and into this like who are you?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
That's a lot of games, good brood. Now again it
goes back to when we were played hard. They've played harder,
explained that you good, bro you good.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
But when we were on talking about it, for me
it was the question of Halliburton, you've got a potential
closeout operation and talking about on the larger NBA scale
the flowers being thrown at the feet of SGA. Well,
Haliburton got his giant pile over there as well, right,
And today it's passivity one oh one in terms of
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what he did early in that game. Large stretches where
he's out of the game, it gets away. There's no
urgency to get him back on the court. And we've
talked about this in terms of hey, you've got two
more games to close things out. I'm still of the
you know, choke them out if you can here. But
(06:01):
but like for Greg Doyle, just ask the question, like,
were you guys comfortable with this just going back to
game six.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, it seems like just don't dance about it, just
ask the question.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Like like, that's where Look, let's break this down here,
because that's where if Greg Doyle wants to know, this
is where you say, were you happy with the effort
you gave in game five? Did you guys give your all?
Just got to ask that right instead of trying to
just say did you give your all in game? Did
you play as hard as you could have? In game five?
Now Siakam can say whatever he wants, Like you can
(06:32):
answer a quest. I'm never gonna tell a guy you
got to answer a question the right way. Sure, you
can answer if you want, but the best way you're
gonna get something is to ask a question. And I
get asking something open ended is always a better way
to get a more expansive answer because if you ask
a yes or no question. I actually took took classes
on this when I worked with John Sawatsky.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, I mean the great I mean, Greg bet.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
One of the best things ever did at ESPN was
the ESPN had This guy's name was John Sawatski, who
was an interview specialist, and everybody that started went and
sat with him and he went over the best way
to ask questions of a subject to interview and I'm like, okay,
we'll ask okay, great, And it was genius.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It was genius what he would say.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
He would say, like, you ask something open ended, you're
going to get a better answer because if you ask
a yes or no question, then that that person is
going to feel a little bit on edge and they're
gonna shut down and not give you what you want.
Don't ask two questions at the same time, all the
all things. And he's had these, these these instances he
would play for you and go here, listen to this interview,
(07:38):
listen to this and it was it was again, it
was it was world changing for you as a talent.
You know. But that's still a question though, you know,
I get you want to ask open ended, but if
you want to know, and Pascal Siakam saying, I know
you're trying to get some from me. That's you got
to jump in and say, are you happy with how
hard you played tonight?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And now?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And that's you say, okay, I can't answer right, You're
you're coming back. Are you happy with how hard you
played tonight? Nowakam's gonna say they played harder, And I
don't think there was anything wrong with how Siakam answered,
because yeah, is every game, are the two teams both gonna.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Play equally as hard?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think it was pretty easy to see tonight the
Knicks had a little bit more oomph of our backs
are to the wall. That's a normal thing in the NBA, right,
I'd love to see her and say, oh, Pascal Siakim
is this and he's that. No, But I tell you
the truth all the time. But see that's why we're
on the air. Is that yeah? Okay, Yeah, I don't
think there was anybody to tell you. Yeah, the Knicks
played harder tonight, and the Knicks played well. The Pacers
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tried to stick around as long as they could, but
they're looking at the long game and Rick Carlyle is
looking in a way to how to finish this series off.
So I don't think there's any question that. Yeah, sometimes
teams that are down three to one going home, they
play harder, they play with a little more oomp. The
Knicks defense had not played well, but tonight that was
the difference. Jalen Brunston was much more active defensively. The
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Knicks were just more aggressive, and that caused problems for
the Pacers, right, Like, that's something where forget about your.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Effort, to say, the effort, the Knicks effort.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Defensively was something you had not seen in the playoffs
and you weren't used to it. And what happened the
Knicks were able to bother you, bother Halliburton, bother everybody else,
get them, get everybody out of there, out of their
comfort zone. And the Knicks win Tonight by by nearly twenty.
Like that's something that that happens in the NBA. And
and Pascal Siakim is outso right when he say that
that's the NBA, man, it's how the NBA goes right.
(09:23):
Sometimes when you you get one team giving some kind
of incredibly laser focused effort. Doesn't mean the Pacers didn't
play hard, but the Knicks played harder. Like he said,
everything that you could see in this game. Now at
the end, did the did the Pacers pull back? Yeah,
when Carlisles got Halliburton on the bench from the beginning
of the fourth quarter and he puts them back out
with seven minutes, pulls him out with about three and
(09:44):
a half minutes off. Yeah, of course, you know, all right,
we're we're checking out a bit now. But any everything
that Pascal Siakim said, it was, it was just normal
NBA stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You're good.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
You're good, brother, That is my favorite value. You get
you good. Look, you're good. But it's like he's dancing
around what he wants to ask, right.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And because it's a clown, Mike, No, but that's but
the the agent provocateurs question for us.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well, but that's just it.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
He's poking around seeing if he can frustrate Siakam to
where he says something he shouldn't reveal, something about the
game plan he shouldn't, whatever the case may be. And look,
we had Todd fermanon just a few minutes ago, had
Todd Furman at at bet the Board podcast where you
listen to what they do it'll make you smarter around
the water cooler and in your conversations day to day.
(10:32):
He was saying, down three to one, teams are thirty
three and twelve. I got that stat right when I
wrote that down right then going home that there's a
preponderance of evidence that you do get that backs against
the wall for the purpose of well, we're in New
York for this conversation. A rat in a corner is
gonna fight its ass off to stay alive, and that's
what you got. McBride talked about it after the game
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and so on and so forth. For me, when we're
trying to talk about the you know, the pantheon, the
fitness of the stars shining in the galaxy and we're
trying to elevate Tyrese Haliburt and I wanted more from him.
But on the grand scale, I expected this version of
the Knicks to show up for Pascal Siakam, it became
me just ask your question, man, the who is this guy?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Who is?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
It goes one of two ways. It means Doyle's not
showing up for those games. Either, yeah, because he's not
showing up and not asking, you know, a question to
poke the bear. That's what he does. Yeah, that's been
his thing for many a year. The other is he
was trolling like like, but beyondy, who is this Mike?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I'm gonna go with that. He had no idea who
Greg Doyle is?
Speaker 5 (11:40):
He tilt tonight because he was actually if you watch
the video, he's actually worried about this guy.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Are you okay?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I'm gonna have to stick it up with the video.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I just want to make sure you're okay, man, you
good like he was actually worried. Yeah, you're good. You
keep asking your.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Pacers fan that got in here and you're on the edge. Now,
I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And that's the thing is that he asked his question
two or three times and Pascal Siakam answered right. That's
the other part of interviews that I always feel like, whatever,
you know, there's people that have asked me before, like
athletes want to get into the business and stuff, or
they're asking me questions about you know, how you know
with interviews and what I can say what I don't say,
and I alway tell them the same thing I say. Look,
when a big question is asked of you, you can
(12:23):
answer however you want, right, you can say whatever you want.
I'm never gonna tell you what to say. I'm never
gonna tell you know, but just understand that you know
your answer is going to be reflective of you. And
Pascal Siakam that okay, he answered, they played we played hard.
They played harder, But don't you understand that, Well, that's
how it is in the NBA. Sometimes they played harder. Okay,
(12:46):
So you got the answer, and then he keeps asking
the question, and that's why Pascal Siakam say, dude, I
don't know what you want me to say. I mean,
I we played hard, they played harder, Okay, I meant
I don't think that's something that is Wow. This is
a hot take that's gonna light out now. I mean,
obviously this audio is going to be everywhere tomorrow because
of the you good bro. Who is this guy? But
from the content from Saka, this is this is how
(13:06):
things go postgame. This this might be my favorite answer.
We actually have more audio.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
We did. Wait, there's more on the exchange. Okay, I
love you asked for it your phone.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
This is our team going above and me on Alex
and justin getting into.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
All right, we have more audio.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
This exclusive to Fox Sports Radio, was him addressing Pascal
as he walked out, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Your selfish bastard.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Knew it.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I knew that was coming.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
I knew it. I knew it, but I knew it,
but it but it just I knew that was what
was But I love the answers like, because that's not
filling column inches. We played hard, they played harder. Uh
that you put your head You put your head down,
you're holding the microphone, Like, what did I just do?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Your selfish bastard. I will give you this guarantee.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
With this add I guarantee, Oh, I guarantee you what
time you're good? You're good, bro I guarantee that drop
is going to be played on this show for the
next five months.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
All different times, I thought you.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Were guaranteed Greg Doyle media appearance for tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What's the bet? Maybe, Well, no, it's no bet because
you're sitting next to tight. I know he's gonna play it.
There's there's I said. I said, I guarantee it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Well, I guarantee he's not here. If you're guaranteeing, I'm
Jason dude.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You're good broon Like you work at the men's warehouse,
You're gonna like the way you look.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I guarantee you.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Know.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
The last time I put on a suit, I can't.
I can't even tell us I put on a suit.
Oh no, when I officiated the wedding last year. Before that,
I have no idea to wear a suit.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I have not shirt. He wore a mask on suit.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
No, No, he was dinger. I wore a I wore
a college shirt and a bolow tie.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
No, I wore a suit when I fish aided the wedding.
But before that, I couldn't even tell you. Maybe when
I was maybe maybe at NFL network, I don't know.
Maybe that's when it was. I'm amazing. Yeah, No, I know,
less time a worse suit.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, the next suit you wear will be the first. Yeah,
I know, there's all video of me wearing suits.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
If I didn't sit in a car for an hour
and a half before I got into the studio, maybe
i'd suit up more often.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Men's is Men's Wear House still even open? Even is
it still open? You can borrow Mike suit from the
one he wore the first day here, all right? Yeah, yeah, no,
it's wake. Never forget that. But you you wore a
suit the first day coming in for us to do
the show together. I'm in wearing sweatpants and a T
shirt and a baseball hat. You gotta see guys like
it was a busy day at the bank, Like you
just got out of court.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
For all you know.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I did.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I met a rodeo rider.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I could just I can have seen you at home
talking to your family and talk your darters going.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I guess I should dress up. I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Maybe I should wear I'll wear dress pants and a
collared shirt and I'll see how I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I'll see how it goes. You need something good, I
don't know. Maybe I don't know. I don't know. Hey man,
I'm auditioning every night to keep this seat. You good bro? Good? No,
really good. I'm on the edge.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You're good.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You're good bro. Oh, Well, more on this, but coming
up next.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
If you like more teams and playoffs, do we have
not one, but two great stories for you.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
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Speaker 3 (16:29):
You good bro, You're good bro. I'm hanging out by
a thread man. Who is this guy? You good bro?
Who is this guy? You're good bro.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I'm gonna say that all weekend like tomorrow said, I'm
gonna give the Pascal Siakam You good bro?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
You good bro. See that elevates him to a next
level of start. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But
I do appreciate his genuine concern. We played hard, they
played harder. You good, bro, That's all I got. I mean,
what else do you want me to say? It's basketball boy?
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
James Jasus Smith showing the Mike Harvit live from the
Fox Sports Radio studios.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So we'll have more NBA coming up in a bit,
looking ahead to Game six the Eastern Conference Finals. Now
that Nicks are able to stave off elimination, you got
to use the word stave tonight. Steve is always a
great word. There's nothing else you stave off. Well, hang on,
you could stave off an infection, yeah, and you can
stave off elimination. I don't think so, you say stave
(17:32):
for anything else. I'm gonna write a song called Steve
Can I Stay?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Stay? Can I Stave?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
And that was the original title of Lisa Loebes, but
they decided to say, let's make it stay instead.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
It's probably better. You know, stave also a vertical wooden
post or plank and a building or other structure. It
sounds about that sounds.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Right because a right, yes, Steve, Steve, Uh, you don't
stave anything else off? Can you stave off. I can
stave off a headache. I want to stave off a cold.
But you really the things You stave off an infection,
and you stave off elimination number one.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, delay something bad or dangerous. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I would say Steve has used like eighty five percent
in referring to elimination, like twelve percent infection and then
three percent other.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Wow, you just baked pie. There we go.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
So how about a story that's gonna make everybody happy? Oh,
graty happy, right, I'm all.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
About having fun and bringing people together. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It looks like the last couple of days we are
going to get expansion in the college Basketball Tournament, the
nca Tournament, and the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Is it aggressive expansion? I think any expansion is aggressive.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
This is like getting all the way to the West
coast and claiming the Yukon territory.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So we'll deal with basketball first.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Can you just leave Danny Hurley out of anything we're
talking about?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Place? You're good, bro.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
The NCAA Tournament. This according to NCAA president Charlie Baker,
said that the tournament could expand to seventy two or
seventy six teams with a decision hoped for in the
next few months.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
That's awesome, right, Yeah, And what you're gonna see in
common that both college basketball and college football stories are
gonna have the next minutes are is that. Yes, of course,
it's about money and revenue. We can create more cash
and more cash flow and more money for the NCAA,
more money for teams. Obviously, no one's gonna make some
kind of big change where you know it's gonna cost
us some.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Cash, but we're gonna do it anyway. So obviously it's
gonna be money.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
But the big thing for the college basketball tournament, of course,
it's going to happen, and for two big reasons. Number one,
because it helps the NCAAA have a better first four
and allows them to own the entire week. The NCAA
is saying, wait a minute, why are we just owning Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
(19:52):
We brought in the first four and the first four
is great, but it kind of feels like it's incomplete,
kind of feel like, hey, we're kind of halfway done.
So we have the first four games on Tuesday and Wednesday,
we have two eleven seeds meeting and a two sixteen
seeds meeting, and it's like, okay, it feels like it's
an idea that's kind of halfway done. Now you add
you get to seventy two, seventy six teams. All of
(20:13):
a sudden, those two nights of Tuesday and Wednesday are
NCAA tournament nights, right, because you look at what like
the NCAA tournament Thursday and Friday. Yeah, the games start
at noon, go to midnight. The last four games in
the primetime window. There's four or five games on in
that window, like the end of one and then the
last four games. You are extending the ownership that the
(20:36):
NCAA tournament has that week.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
To sixty You're owning the whole week.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Selection Sunday, you're off on Monday, everybody's filling out their
brackets and talking about things, and then you are hitting
four or five games on national TV in the primetime
window on Tuesday, four, five, whatever. It's going to be
a few games on Wednesday in the primetime window. The
full days on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. It is a
(21:00):
win win. Yes, it's more money, it's moreverwhere, but it
also allows you to own the week and take advantage
of the calendar. We talk about this all the time
with the NFL that finds a way to do it.
And this is a big thing because now it feels
like that first four idea that was thrown out there
as a placeholder until we get something more definitive. Now
you get it, right. I think adding four more teams
is great. Right, you have four games on Tuesday, four
(21:22):
games on Wednesday, that's great. Want to go to seventy six?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Why not? You know you and I both like chaos.
Go ahead and do that. We can do it.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
But getting to seventy two, okay, great, get to seventy
two four games Tuesday, four games went awesome, That works
out great. So from that perspective is the first one,
in addition to the money, why this makes sense and
why it will absolutely happen.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Also the expansion of your territory, as you mentioned right
the NFL, Hey, we're gonna invade the holiday.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
We're gonna do this and keep moving.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Here's more international games and bringing in more partners and
streaming partners, because that's what this also allows, right, expanding
the proverbial pie. In a time where a lot of
universities are looking for where there are moneies to offset
the expanding costs of their programs. Maybe you changed conferences
(22:10):
and realize, wow, the travel parties and all of this,
that we didn't budget this appropriately, so we need to
reach into the pockets. Well, these give you a little
bigger pie to it and to offset some of those things.
But also just the fact that for college basketball we've
had for a long while. If you're a diehard, you're
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watching your conference. Maybe you're watching college basketball as a
whole in the standalone primetime windows, but for the most part,
you're dialed in with what your conference is doing top
to bottom. For me, I could talk a lot deeper
about the Big Ten than I can every other conference
except for the heavyweights that we watched regularly. Right the
top twenty teams. We see enough to where, all right,
(22:53):
you feel some sense of ownership. But in this case,
it's now the all right, there's an extra set of
games that extra week, as well as the back end
of conference play into the conference tournaments that now take
on a whole other level of meaning, because that's when
we start getting eyeballs when things matter, when it's cut
and run kind of time in making the tournament bids,
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but also conference tournaments. And we know what the advent
of online gambling everywhere virtually everywhere anyway, that there's more
eyeballs and attention there. So again money being a lot
of it, but also just the health of your sport,
your product. The more teams that are involved, guess what,
those become more viable places to transfer to because there's eyeballs, right,
(23:41):
you're going to be seen. The old thing that the
lamentation at lower levels of sports as well, if I'm
not playing here, here or here, how am I going
to get seen? Well, the more teams that can make
it into the tournament, some of those schools now get
a little bit more run and probably the increases in
attendance in the applications which have hefty fees. Again talking
(24:03):
about building out your revenue, but just those eyeballs help
to really build the game, grow the game, and get
more players opportunity to go be stars as opposed to.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Languishing on a bench somewhere. So look, so that gets it.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
The other part is this, and this gets into a
little bit of the college football, but the other part
is is why is everybody going to greet to this
expansion because this will get more Power conference teams into
the NCAA tournament. I've already told you too many mid
major teams get in, right, that's been a huge run
over the last fifteen years. You know, Butler makes the
back to back National Championion games and sevieants. We gotta
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let the mid majors in.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Ah, you don't.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
They don't play the same type of schedule as the
Power five conferences do.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I don't think you need to.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
But no, no, we're letting the mid majors in and
that's not going anywhere, right as long as they as
long as they show they win games.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Now, maybe we're gonna see a little bit of movement
because of nil and players are able to leave a
little bit easier to go from a stepping stone from
mid major to a Power five. But these berths are
going to go to Power five conferences. There we don't
talk about the snubs being boy, how does monmuth not
get in?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
You know?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
How does that? It's the if I tried you vetoed
that whole second.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
It's the big Power five conferences that get the snubs,
and they're gonna want more in so yes, of course,
the Big ten's gonna say we could potentially get another
team in the SEC. The AC gonna say the same thing. Yeah,
we're all for this because we could get more teams in.
So that's why that's absolutely going to happen. You're gonna
have everybody on board.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
The power brokers obviously, anywhere they can get a bigger share,
a bigger opportunity because in some cases, let's face it,
these six or seventh team in those conferences that aren't
earning automatic bids or or really don't find themselves even
worrying about the quote unquote bubble are still gonna be
(25:51):
better most times than those teams others on the fringe.
And yeah, mid majors just takes such a terrible connotation
to it, doesn't it. And no matter what you do,
that's never going away because you still have to classify,
so replace it with another term, it's still the same thing.
But for the Big ten at SEC, yeah, it's all
(26:14):
about flexing. Yeah right, it's like, all right, we'll play
by your rules, but here's that we need a little
extra skin in the game.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Now for college football, we're also going to get expansion
because now the different commissioners have talked about how much
support there is for a five plus eleven expansion or
a five plus eleven college football playoff, meaning the five
conference champions get in and eleven at large teams get in.
And there's been a lot of talk the last couple
(26:41):
of days. You heard the SEC and the Big Ten
want more teams in. We should have more teams in.
All this crazy ass stuff. I'm sick of them saying
we're better than everybody else, but this five and all.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Are they wrong?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
No, they're not wrong, But okay, you still need all
of college football.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, but they also bring not only are the teams
generally better, I mean that they're bringing the eyeballs in
the revenue. Yeah, but I'm much trickles down to the.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I'm pretty sure that you know, if Florida State or
Miami are going deep in playoffs, people are watching it.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
There's all sorts of lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I think that's no. No, they're staying now. They think
they settled that. But but this is this is what's
getting the attention. Obviously, the SEC and the Big Ten
want more guaranteed spots. This might be a way to say, well, hey, look, obviously,
if we're letting sixteen teams in. You have good teams,
they're going to get in. I have no doubt, and
I know that they're worried that, Hey, we got to
get to settle the next few months, Like we really need
(27:35):
more than a phone call. Right, It's like in the
office when they got everybody on that big phone call.
We couldn't do this all with an email. We got
to get everybody together. Bob Vance has got uh that's
kind of obscure reference, but I know it's good works.
So yes, the five and eleven is going to happen,
And yes it's gonna happen because it's more money, it's
more revenue, it's more everything.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's more that.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
But the other reason outside of the money is this
college football the last ten or fifteen years had become
really regionalized. And this is why we got a playoff
because the way the popularity of college football's move is
kind of splintered off where the national landscape wasn't where
it was because well, only two teams are making it
(28:17):
to the championship at the end, right, that's it. Out
of one hundred and twenty teams, only two teams are.
Then it was only four teams are making it out
of all of these teams. And as time has gone
on in sports, we have evolved as a country to
more teams in the playoffs. It's more interesting and there's
more relevance and more attention spent nationwide, which is how
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you're going to grow your audience. When college football got
really regionalized, it was not good for the sport.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
You needed the.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Big usc is the dominant team. In the early two thousands,
that went away. Yeah, Alabama was kind of, but the
last few years, no, it's not been there. Adding teams
and getting the sixteen. Now, suddenly every team team across
the country in a in a big conference can say,
if we have a good team this year, we could
be a top twenty. Every team comes into the year
(29:08):
going if things fall right, we can be a top
twenty ish team and maybe we make the playoffs. You
are suddenly putting it on the table for the vast
majority of every power conference in college football to say
we can make it there, every team and that if
we have a big year. You know, if Iowa State
has a year where they have big recruits and win
the game, they can potentially be we could be a
(29:28):
top sixteen team in college football, we can get there. Look,
if it was sixteen teams, Syracuse would have been last
year and I would have never thought that could happen.
That could happen. Everybody across the country now is interested
and and and can can make it to the playoffs
with the sixteen team playoff. And this now makes it
more of a national sport because you are now looking
at the at the rankings like you're looking at standings.
(29:51):
Right if I'm watching Syracuse and West Virginia in a game,
or Syracuse and Pittsburgh or syracusean Clemson.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Boy, we win this game.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
We only have two losses that wash in an Oregon game,
they each have too that Oregon's got one loss, Washington's
got too. I want Oregon to win, because Washington would
have three losses. We'd move ahead of them. We get
in the top sixteen, all of a sudden, you are
watching it like you're watching standings in baseball or football
or basketball. It's that big a deal. You need to
have that national presence, and the more teams in the playoffs,
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it's more of a national presences across the board for
college football. Of course, that's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
That follows.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I mean, we've watched it from all other sports that
have expanded their playoffs, adding extra wildcards. The final month
of the season, you're still potentially playing for something. You
still have a bunch of cities that are competing and
fan bases, the schools, the conferences. Hey, that might be
one more bid. I like the other wrinkle that's been
(30:46):
floated out there, and it's been out in the press.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
We've talked about it a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Was the idea that all right, if your first or
second in one of the big boy conferences, that maybe
you have a mini tournament that determine you know who's next.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Well, that's the big thing, which is because the sticky part,
the sticky wicket is going to be how do you
deal with a team that and we talked about this
when when last year because could see where it was
at when they selected the teams, is how do you
deal with a team that makes its conference championship game
but loses. And this is a team that has two
losses going in. Not a team that, hey, we're in
(31:23):
the conference is really bad and we're six and four
and won the conference. No, but a two loss team
that makes to its conference championship game and they lose, Right,
how do you reconcile that with a two loss team
that didn't make its conference championship game. So I'm a
big fan of I think what's gonna happen. And look,
the rankings will kind of suss this out that if
(31:44):
you're good enough to make your conference championship, you'll be
a top sixteen ish team. But like, I almost think
that they have to guarantee that if you make it
to your conference championship game, you're guaranteed to get into
the College Football playoffs and the and it doesn't matter saying, well,
you're rewarding both teams. No, but if you win that game,
you're a top seed and potentially you have a home game,
(32:04):
Like there's still a lot to play for by winning
that game.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Well, but I again going to the you know buys
and the top four you know rankings and everything else,
making sure you're not gonna get potentially screwed out of
one of those spots that you don't play it at all.
And now you've got, you know, for the sec in
Big ten floated about three through six, okay, maybe six
plays all the way through and can win but one
and two are safe and secure up in there, you know,
(32:30):
nestled in their top five rankings wherever those may be,
and are not in harm's way. So lots of different
ways to play this, lot of politicking and money h
still to suss out in this, but it's a fun
conversation to see where the next iteration of college sports goes.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
And the bottom up, we're getting more teams. Absolutely, they're
not gonna not do it right. They're now, they'll cap
it after a little while, they'll cut but we're gonna
get more teams, and we'll we'll sit it seventy two
teams in the NCAA tournament for a few or seventy
six for a few years. They're never gonna cut it back,
so no more about that. So we'll sit at seventy
two or seventy six for a few years. We'll sit
at sixteen for a few years, because I can't really
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see the argument go, well, we're at sixteen.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Let's go now.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Sixteen is good, six to sixteen is good. We'll sit
there for until college football changes, until the big ten
in the SEC go. We're gonna have our own playoff
and our own premier league, and then you guys get
off acc in Big twelve. You can all sweat it out.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
We don't care about that Champions League. Yeah, let's good.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
So they call the Champions League is the second best league.
Like that doesn't make sense, Like why would't the Champions
League be the best league? I don't stand So, no matter.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
We all win, we all. I just groomed you a fact, Syracuse.
They're getting demoted.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
No, no, stop, dude, for the I mean, I can't
believe that we could have gotten in last year.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
You're out in oh.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Mand Rex, and they just keep spending money, keep going up,
just keep spending up the town.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Hashtag up the town. Coming up next.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Final thoughts on Game five of the Eastern Conference Finals,
and I will ask a very big question because I
wonder sometimes if I'm a bad Knicks fan.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Something that came up tonight makes me think you are.
I think I'm a bad Knicks fan.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That's that's Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
You good, bro.
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Speaker 3 (34:21):
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Speaker 1 (34:22):
The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike harmon.
So I gotta ask you that Nix win tonight. Yeah,
and I thought they would come up with a big
effort because this is this is who they are, It's
in their DNA, this is this is the team there.
They're not gonna quit, They're not gonna timberwolve their way through.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Part of a champion.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
But I got it because the reasons I was happy for.
They won, because yes, okay, now anything can happen.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
You know that. Jason's like all night, we seem like
you're happy.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yes, of course I'm happy, but I'm not crazy Game
one happy because Okay, they bought themselves another couple of days. Right,
what do they do winning Game three? They bought themselves
two more days. What do they do tonight? They bought
themselves two more days?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Right? Game six?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I'll be much more crazed on Monday if we come
on the air, we're playing Game seven.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
We should go back and grab video from the Game one,
release it as a short film.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Dude, I'm still coming back. I was broken, man, not bad.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I watched I watched your soul, your body, It circled
a little bit and said the hell with this? And
when you're broken, heat some times, like one of those
people in one of those bad like ski accidents and
like I broke, like, you know, three bones in my
leg and my arm and my this.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
I was like, dude, I need some time Manta. I
was thinking he needed taking time to hear. But so
it's really bad. So I wanted so the nixt tonight.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I wanted them to to win, obviously, because you know,
wanted to see him win, want to see maybe they
can pull this out. But one of the other reason
this makes me think I'm a bad Knicks fan is
that is that one of the main reasons I wanted
them to win was because, Okay, they win tonight. Game
six is Saturday. If the Knicks lose to the Pacers
on Saturday, you and I are not on the air
(36:04):
again until Monday night.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Oh I'm on Sunday morning, so I can call you. Yeah,
I cannot answer my phone. You would you and I?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
No, you and I are not on the air together
until seven o'clock Monday night. I don't need to be
on the until seven o'clock. By that time, we're onto
all other new things and this is over. We're previewing
the finals, the Pacers and the thunder and all that
were like, I don't have to deal with the Knicks, like,
because it's so much time between Saturday, the news cycle
will have turned over twice and I could just say, Okay,
(36:33):
we're fresh on Monday. Don't got to worry about stuff anymore.
We're done, don't have to talk about it. Am I
a bad Knicks fan for for saying okay, now, I
feel like they've they they've done that for me, very selfish,
but I feel like they've done that for your selfish bastard.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I mean, I'm kind of hoping though, we get the
we get to live and die with you on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
The oh no, no, no, I want to see that too.
I want to see that. Nobody wants to No, no, come on, man,
you don't want to see you want to see me
the whole time playing in the background. I will be
able to put two words together.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
It's like, all right, I'm down exactly. We'd be asking
that question a lot. I think I'm.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Not not great, Bob not great. He's all right, but
I feel like I'm I'm being selfish with that. But
in the end, I'm okay with being selfish, Like, Okay,
what They've done is they've allowed me to not have
to worry about it. I don't have to be on Twitter.
I don't have to do anything. I can just say
Saturday afternoon, Saturday night, Okay, I'm good man, I'll see.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
You Monday night and we're talking about other things. No,
we'll get it. We're good. That won't be the case.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
So waiting on Twitter's in activity for you on the weekend.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
No know what I'm saying is I don't have to
worry about you.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
No, Like you know, at night here I tweet, we're
on the air and I tweet our takes out.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
I want to talk about that. We were talking about
the weekend.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Yeah, but Monday, I mean think about we can do
full segments just reading tweets.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
You're out here, like uh, secretary scheduled you for like
meetings all day.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I got at nine o'clock on Saturday morning, I got
a twelve thirty. I tellt you got to cancel all that,
all right, I'm not doing it, not having it.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
No, you're just gonna go in down.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I can just unplug for that thirty six ish atasy,
So almost forty eight hours from what could be the
end of the next season until we have to come.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Out and talk. How do we not live stream that?
Though I could go that'll be so good.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I go zero dark twenty because if we could do it,
I mean, you could just curse, you could just let you.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Know, let it all fly. Nah No, I got to disappear.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I'm man six, I'm done, and I could really just
try to put that ridiculous game one thing behind me.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Because you can put Timberland boots on.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Here's here's because here's the thing about me when I
mean I'm broken, right called Kylie.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
The number.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Teams said fourteen hundred wins and no lawsuit. We thought
about it up by nine with fifty one seconds left.
Ear Yeah, since the NBA started counting in nineteen nine,
one of the greatest stats of all time, teams at
fourteen hundred and fourteen wins and zero losses until the
knixt game won. Right, here's how that bad. I thought
about how much worse that is. It's it would be
(39:17):
worse if they could count everything. Because you say, okay,
well only goes back to nineteen ninety five. Remember ninety
five and before nobody hit three pointers like they do now,
that's srure. Nobody hit three or four threes in the
final minute of games like they do now, so that
would have made comebacks even more difficult. Then you get
to even before that, what do you have? No three pointers?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Fair? So you're going all the way back to the
beginning of the NBA.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Where do you think any team's ever come back from
down nine with fifty seconds left? No, it's a five
possession game at that point. I guarantee, I would almost
guarantee you teams are whatever the final number is.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And oh until game one against the Pacers. Well, and
also just.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Five thousand and oh, ten thousand and oh, I had
ten years with it. There was no shot clock. Again,
go back to when Naismith came and says, hey, guess what,
let's have basketball. Let's let's cut out the bottoms of
the peach baskets so the ball comes down and get
it easier.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
You're on borrowed time Smith, And oh, look at most
of his mind until game one.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
That's what I had to get a brow that said, no,
not great, Bob, No, no, we won tonight. So it's okay,
hiks for the Wings. You're welcome from my comp Jason
coming up next to my buddy Ben Mallard. This is
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Hello, welcome inside final hour tonight the Jalen Brunson Show
with My bas friend Cat, your selfish bastard? Do you
save that drop for the final hour of the show. Yes,
you only went associated with me. I had people my
timeline today saying, Hey, that drop is that Mike North?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, of course it's Mike North. You selfish basket did.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Got to see him a couple of weeks ago. He
sends love to the NFL schedule guy. Oh, yes, well
different Mike North. Hey, how come the Bears are playing
too many games? At one o'clock in the.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
After numbers Bears nor interviewing Mike North.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Mike.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Inception, It's like Will Smith pitching to Will Smith. You
have an affection for Big met.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Max Munsey playing against Max Munsey almost pulling all the
Mike North drops. There are plenty of them.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Uh So the Knicks win over the Pacers tonight, right,
we saw this, We know this the Knicks Fours Game six,
a game that New York pulled away from the Pacers
in the second half. Pacers kind of put it away
in the fourth quarter. We're gonna go back home and
try to win this series one eleven ninety four. But
(01:50):
doesn't mean we weren't done having entertaining stuff after the game.
Remember Greg Doyle, right, reporter for the Indianapolis Star, made
big headlines a year ago after his uncomfortable back and
forth with Caitlyn Clark at her introductory press conference with
the Indiana Fever. Remember she he made the heart gesture
(02:10):
to her because that's what Caitlyn Clark would do at games,
and she made it back and he said, do that
to me. We'll be all right. It was just really weird,
and he put out an apology, and then it was
announced he wasn't going to cover games live. You know,
we'd still right about the Fever BECU obviously they're a
really big deal. It wasn't gonna cover the games. So
a year later we have.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Another Greg Doyle story. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Really, if you want to go in the longevity, I mean,
you really want to open the books.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
There's plenty of Greg Doyle moments.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah, oh no, no, no, the Caitlan Clark was like
a flash point where it really got extra. No, it's
he's an antagonist, would be the kind way I think
at times.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So after the game tonight, Doyle was talking to Pascal
Siakam right, and no, look, none of the pacers starting
five played well. He was the only one in double figures.
Halliburton was bad, Nie Smith was bad, Hard was badly.
When you add Benedict Mathron, who suddenly is I don't
know why I'm this good, but all of a sudden,
I'm Finnie Johnson. Man, I get off the bench and
I just eat up.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
In a second. Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Doyle asked him, Hey, how is it to the to
the extent like, because it's gonna be hard to hear
his question, so I'm gonna paraphrase it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
The context is that, hey, how can you guys talk about,
you know, playing like this in game five?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Like and I'm not I'm not gonna say what its insinuated.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Basically was, hey, here are the Pacers this kind of
effort in game five when they could have closed out
the Knicks? And how is it possible to not play
hard enough in game five?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That that's basically what we've done. Why we had to
take a look and listen to everything?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
And what was asking asking him? Why did you guys
suck tonight? Yeah? Yeah, say how did you you know?
How do you guys not play hard enough in game five?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And Pascal Siakam did not like that question, And here
is his answer.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
How is that what you mean? How is it pos game?
He's other? Mind? They played harder than It's okay, we
played hard, but they played Harder's what's your point? I
don't get it. That happens in the game doing that's basketball.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You're good.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
You're good, bro. You're looking for something. I know I'm
but damn no, no, But I'm telling you though I.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Told you, what else do you want me to tell you?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
What about you telling me?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Let's go ahead. Who's this guy? Who's this guy?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What's your name?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Brood?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
You're good?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Bro, you're good? Who is this guy? You're good? You're good.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Well, that's made all the more curious because you didn't
just walk through that door. But he's been in the market.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, it's been there a while.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I've been there a minute, and this guy's made some headlines, right,
I mean this is this is second full season deep
playoff run last year and into this like who are you?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
That's a lot of games, good brood. Now again it
goes back to when we were played hard. They've played harder,
explained that you good, bro you good.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
But when we were on talking about it, for me
it was the question of Halliburton, you've got a potential
closeout operation and talking about on the larger NBA scale
the flowers being thrown at the feet of SGA. Well,
Haliburton got his giant pile over there as well, right,
And today it's passivity one oh one in terms of
(05:40):
what he did early in that game. Large stretches where
he's out of the game, it gets away. There's no
urgency to get him back on the court. And we've
talked about this in terms of hey, you've got two
more games to close things out. I'm still of the
you know, choke them out if you can here. But
(06:01):
but like for Greg Doyle, just ask the question, like,
were you guys comfortable with this just going back to
game six.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, it seems like just don't dance about it, just
ask the question.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Like like, that's where Look, let's break this down here,
because that's where if Greg Doyle wants to know, this
is where you say, were you happy with the effort
you gave in game five? Did you guys give your all?
Just got to ask that right instead of trying to
just say did you give your all in game? Did
you play as hard as you could have? In game five?
Now Siakam can say whatever he wants, Like you can
(06:32):
answer a quest. I'm never gonna tell a guy you
got to answer a question the right way. Sure, you
can answer if you want, but the best way you're
gonna get something is to ask a question. And I
get asking something open ended is always a better way
to get a more expansive answer because if you ask
a yes or no question. I actually took took classes
on this when I worked with John Sawatsky.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, I mean the great I mean, Greg bet.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
One of the best things ever did at ESPN was
the ESPN had This guy's name was John Sawatski, who
was an interview specialist, and everybody that started went and
sat with him and he went over the best way
to ask questions of a subject to interview and I'm like, okay,
we'll ask okay, great, And it was genius.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It was genius what he would say.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
He would say, like, you ask something open ended, you're
going to get a better answer because if you ask
a yes or no question, then that that person is
going to feel a little bit on edge and they're
gonna shut down and not give you what you want.
Don't ask two questions at the same time, all the
all things. And he's had these, these these instances he
would play for you and go here, listen to this interview,
(07:38):
listen to this and it was it was again, it
was it was world changing for you as a talent.
You know. But that's still a question though, you know,
I get you want to ask open ended, but if
you want to know, and Pascal Siakam saying, I know
you're trying to get some from me. That's you got
to jump in and say, are you happy with how
hard you played tonight?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And now?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And that's you say, okay, I can't answer right, You're
you're coming back. Are you happy with how hard you
played tonight? Nowakam's gonna say they played harder, And I
don't think there was anything wrong with how Siakam answered,
because yeah, is every game, are the two teams both gonna.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Play equally as hard?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think it was pretty easy to see tonight the
Knicks had a little bit more oomph of our backs
are to the wall. That's a normal thing in the NBA, right,
I'd love to see her and say, oh, Pascal Siakim
is this and he's that. No, But I tell you
the truth all the time. But see that's why we're
on the air. Is that yeah? Okay, Yeah, I don't
think there was anybody to tell you. Yeah, the Knicks
played harder tonight, and the Knicks played well. The Pacers
(08:31):
tried to stick around as long as they could, but
they're looking at the long game and Rick Carlyle is
looking in a way to how to finish this series off.
So I don't think there's any question that. Yeah, sometimes
teams that are down three to one going home, they
play harder, they play with a little more oomp. The
Knicks defense had not played well, but tonight that was
the difference. Jalen Brunston was much more active defensively. The
(08:52):
Knicks were just more aggressive, and that caused problems for
the Pacers, right, Like, that's something where forget about your.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Effort, to say, the effort, the Knicks effort.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Defensively was something you had not seen in the playoffs
and you weren't used to it. And what happened the
Knicks were able to bother you, bother Halliburton, bother everybody else,
get them, get everybody out of there, out of their
comfort zone. And the Knicks win Tonight by by nearly twenty.
Like that's something that that happens in the NBA. And
and Pascal Siakim is outso right when he say that
that's the NBA, man, it's how the NBA goes right.
(09:23):
Sometimes when you you get one team giving some kind
of incredibly laser focused effort. Doesn't mean the Pacers didn't
play hard, but the Knicks played harder. Like he said,
everything that you could see in this game. Now at
the end, did the did the Pacers pull back? Yeah,
when Carlisles got Halliburton on the bench from the beginning
of the fourth quarter and he puts them back out
with seven minutes, pulls him out with about three and
(09:44):
a half minutes off. Yeah, of course, you know, all right,
we're we're checking out a bit now. But any everything
that Pascal Siakim said, it was, it was just normal
NBA stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You're good.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
You're good, brother, That is my favorite value. You get
you good. Look, you're good. But it's like he's dancing
around what he wants to ask, right.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And because it's a clown, Mike, No, but that's but
the the agent provocateurs question for us.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well, but that's just it.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
He's poking around seeing if he can frustrate Siakam to
where he says something he shouldn't reveal, something about the
game plan he shouldn't, whatever the case may be. And look,
we had Todd fermanon just a few minutes ago, had
Todd Furman at at bet the Board podcast where you
listen to what they do it'll make you smarter around
the water cooler and in your conversations day to day.
(10:32):
He was saying, down three to one, teams are thirty
three and twelve. I got that stat right when I
wrote that down right then going home that there's a
preponderance of evidence that you do get that backs against
the wall for the purpose of well, we're in New
York for this conversation. A rat in a corner is
gonna fight its ass off to stay alive, and that's
what you got. McBride talked about it after the game
(10:54):
and so on and so forth. For me, when we're
trying to talk about the you know, the pantheon, the
fitness of the stars shining in the galaxy and we're
trying to elevate Tyrese Haliburt and I wanted more from him.
But on the grand scale, I expected this version of
the Knicks to show up for Pascal Siakam, it became
me just ask your question, man, the who is this guy?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Who is?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
It goes one of two ways. It means Doyle's not
showing up for those games. Either, yeah, because he's not
showing up and not asking, you know, a question to
poke the bear. That's what he does. Yeah, that's been
his thing for many a year. The other is he
was trolling like like, but beyondy, who is this Mike?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I'm gonna go with that. He had no idea who
Greg Doyle is?
Speaker 5 (11:40):
He tilt tonight because he was actually if you watch
the video, he's actually worried about this guy.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Are you okay?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I'm gonna have to stick it up with the video.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I just want to make sure you're okay, man, you
good like he was actually worried. Yeah, you're good. You
keep asking your.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Pacers fan that got in here and you're on the edge. Now,
I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And that's the thing is that he asked his question
two or three times and Pascal Siakam answered right. That's
the other part of interviews that I always feel like, whatever,
you know, there's people that have asked me before, like
athletes want to get into the business and stuff, or
they're asking me questions about you know, how you know
with interviews and what I can say what I don't say,
and I alway tell them the same thing I say. Look,
when a big question is asked of you, you can
(12:23):
answer however you want, right, you can say whatever you want.
I'm never gonna tell you what to say. I'm never
gonna tell you know, but just understand that you know
your answer is going to be reflective of you. And
Pascal Siakam that okay, he answered, they played we played hard.
They played harder, But don't you understand that, Well, that's
how it is in the NBA. Sometimes they played harder. Okay,
(12:46):
So you got the answer, and then he keeps asking
the question, and that's why Pascal Siakam say, dude, I
don't know what you want me to say. I mean,
I we played hard, they played harder, Okay, I meant
I don't think that's something that is Wow. This is
a hot take that's gonna light out now. I mean,
obviously this audio is going to be everywhere tomorrow because
of the you good bro. Who is this guy? But
from the content from Saka, this is this is how
(13:06):
things go postgame. This this might be my favorite answer.
We actually have more audio.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
We did. Wait, there's more on the exchange. Okay, I
love you asked for it your phone.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
This is our team going above and me on Alex
and justin getting into.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
All right, we have more audio.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
This exclusive to Fox Sports Radio, was him addressing Pascal
as he walked out, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Your selfish bastard.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Knew it.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I knew that was coming.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
I knew it. I knew it, but I knew it,
but it but it just I knew that was what
was But I love the answers like, because that's not
filling column inches. We played hard, they played harder. Uh
that you put your head You put your head down,
you're holding the microphone, Like, what did I just do?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Your selfish bastard. I will give you this guarantee.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
With this add I guarantee, Oh, I guarantee you what
time you're good? You're good, bro I guarantee that drop
is going to be played on this show for the
next five months.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
All different times, I thought you.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Were guaranteed Greg Doyle media appearance for tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What's the bet? Maybe, Well, no, it's no bet because
you're sitting next to tight. I know he's gonna play it.
There's there's I said. I said, I guarantee it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Well, I guarantee he's not here. If you're guaranteeing, I'm
Jason dude.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You're good broon Like you work at the men's warehouse,
You're gonna like the way you look.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I guarantee you.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Know.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
The last time I put on a suit, I can't.
I can't even tell us I put on a suit.
Oh no, when I officiated the wedding last year. Before that,
I have no idea to wear a suit.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I have not shirt. He wore a mask on suit.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
No, No, he was dinger. I wore a I wore
a college shirt and a bolow tie.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
No, I wore a suit when I fish aided the wedding.
But before that, I couldn't even tell you. Maybe when
I was maybe maybe at NFL network, I don't know.
Maybe that's when it was. I'm amazing. Yeah, No, I know,
less time a worse suit.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, the next suit you wear will be the first. Yeah,
I know, there's all video of me wearing suits.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
If I didn't sit in a car for an hour
and a half before I got into the studio, maybe
i'd suit up more often.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Men's is Men's Wear House still even open? Even is
it still open? You can borrow Mike suit from the
one he wore the first day here, all right? Yeah, yeah, no,
it's wake. Never forget that. But you you wore a
suit the first day coming in for us to do
the show together. I'm in wearing sweatpants and a T
shirt and a baseball hat. You gotta see guys like
it was a busy day at the bank, Like you
just got out of court.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
For all you know.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I did.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I met a rodeo rider.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I could just I can have seen you at home
talking to your family and talk your darters going.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I guess I should dress up. I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Maybe I should wear I'll wear dress pants and a
collared shirt and I'll see how I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I'll see how it goes. You need something good, I
don't know. Maybe I don't know. I don't know. Hey man,
I'm auditioning every night to keep this seat. You good bro? Good? No,
really good. I'm on the edge.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You're good.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You're good bro. Oh, Well, more on this, but coming
up next.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
If you like more teams and playoffs, do we have
not one, but two great stories for you.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
That's next Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
You good bro, You're good bro. I'm hanging out by
a thread man. Who is this guy? You good bro?
Who is this guy? You're good bro.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I'm gonna say that all weekend like tomorrow said, I'm
gonna give the Pascal Siakam You good bro?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
You good bro. See that elevates him to a next
level of start. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But
I do appreciate his genuine concern. We played hard, they
played harder. You good, bro, That's all I got. I mean,
what else do you want me to say? It's basketball boy?
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
James Jasus Smith showing the Mike Harvit live from the
Fox Sports Radio studios.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So we'll have more NBA coming up in a bit,
looking ahead to Game six the Eastern Conference Finals. Now
that Nicks are able to stave off elimination, you got
to use the word stave tonight. Steve is always a
great word. There's nothing else you stave off. Well, hang on,
you could stave off an infection, yeah, and you can
stave off elimination. I don't think so, you say stave
(17:32):
for anything else. I'm gonna write a song called Steve
Can I Stay?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Stay? Can I Stave?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
And that was the original title of Lisa Loebes, but
they decided to say, let's make it stay instead.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
It's probably better. You know, stave also a vertical wooden
post or plank and a building or other structure. It
sounds about that sounds.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Right because a right, yes, Steve, Steve, Uh, you don't
stave anything else off? Can you stave off. I can
stave off a headache. I want to stave off a cold.
But you really the things You stave off an infection,
and you stave off elimination number one.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, delay something bad or dangerous. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I would say Steve has used like eighty five percent
in referring to elimination, like twelve percent infection and then
three percent other.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Wow, you just baked pie. There we go.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
So how about a story that's gonna make everybody happy? Oh,
graty happy, right, I'm all.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
About having fun and bringing people together. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It looks like the last couple of days we are
going to get expansion in the college Basketball Tournament, the
nca Tournament, and the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Is it aggressive expansion? I think any expansion is aggressive.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
This is like getting all the way to the West
coast and claiming the Yukon territory.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So we'll deal with basketball first.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Can you just leave Danny Hurley out of anything we're
talking about?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Place? You're good, bro.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
The NCAA Tournament. This according to NCAA president Charlie Baker,
said that the tournament could expand to seventy two or
seventy six teams with a decision hoped for in the
next few months.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
That's awesome, right, Yeah, And what you're gonna see in
common that both college basketball and college football stories are
gonna have the next minutes are is that. Yes, of course,
it's about money and revenue. We can create more cash
and more cash flow and more money for the NCAA,
more money for teams. Obviously, no one's gonna make some
kind of big change where you know it's gonna cost
us some.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Cash, but we're gonna do it anyway. So obviously it's
gonna be money.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
But the big thing for the college basketball tournament, of course,
it's going to happen, and for two big reasons. Number one,
because it helps the NCAAA have a better first four
and allows them to own the entire week. The NCAA
is saying, wait a minute, why are we just owning Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
(19:52):
We brought in the first four and the first four
is great, but it kind of feels like it's incomplete,
kind of feel like, hey, we're kind of halfway done.
So we have the first four games on Tuesday and Wednesday,
we have two eleven seeds meeting and a two sixteen
seeds meeting, and it's like, okay, it feels like it's
an idea that's kind of halfway done. Now you add
you get to seventy two, seventy six teams. All of
(20:13):
a sudden, those two nights of Tuesday and Wednesday are
NCAA tournament nights, right, because you look at what like
the NCAA tournament Thursday and Friday. Yeah, the games start
at noon, go to midnight. The last four games in
the primetime window. There's four or five games on in
that window, like the end of one and then the
last four games. You are extending the ownership that the
(20:36):
NCAA tournament has that week.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
To sixty You're owning the whole week.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Selection Sunday, you're off on Monday, everybody's filling out their
brackets and talking about things, and then you are hitting
four or five games on national TV in the primetime
window on Tuesday, four, five, whatever. It's going to be
a few games on Wednesday in the primetime window. The
full days on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. It is a
(21:00):
win win. Yes, it's more money, it's moreverwhere, but it
also allows you to own the week and take advantage
of the calendar. We talk about this all the time
with the NFL that finds a way to do it.
And this is a big thing because now it feels
like that first four idea that was thrown out there
as a placeholder until we get something more definitive. Now
you get it, right. I think adding four more teams
is great. Right, you have four games on Tuesday, four
(21:22):
games on Wednesday, that's great. Want to go to seventy six?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Why not? You know you and I both like chaos.
Go ahead and do that. We can do it.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
But getting to seventy two, okay, great, get to seventy
two four games Tuesday, four games went awesome, That works
out great. So from that perspective is the first one,
in addition to the money, why this makes sense and
why it will absolutely happen.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Also the expansion of your territory, as you mentioned right
the NFL, Hey, we're gonna invade the holiday.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
We're gonna do this and keep moving.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Here's more international games and bringing in more partners and
streaming partners, because that's what this also allows, right, expanding
the proverbial pie. In a time where a lot of
universities are looking for where there are moneies to offset
the expanding costs of their programs. Maybe you changed conferences
(22:10):
and realize, wow, the travel parties and all of this,
that we didn't budget this appropriately, so we need to
reach into the pockets. Well, these give you a little
bigger pie to it and to offset some of those things.
But also just the fact that for college basketball we've
had for a long while. If you're a diehard, you're
(22:32):
watching your conference. Maybe you're watching college basketball as a
whole in the standalone primetime windows, but for the most part,
you're dialed in with what your conference is doing top
to bottom. For me, I could talk a lot deeper
about the Big Ten than I can every other conference
except for the heavyweights that we watched regularly. Right the
top twenty teams. We see enough to where, all right,
(22:53):
you feel some sense of ownership. But in this case,
it's now the all right, there's an extra set of
games that extra week, as well as the back end
of conference play into the conference tournaments that now take
on a whole other level of meaning, because that's when
we start getting eyeballs when things matter, when it's cut
and run kind of time in making the tournament bids,
(23:16):
but also conference tournaments. And we know what the advent
of online gambling everywhere virtually everywhere anyway, that there's more
eyeballs and attention there. So again money being a lot
of it, but also just the health of your sport,
your product. The more teams that are involved, guess what,
those become more viable places to transfer to because there's eyeballs, right,
(23:41):
you're going to be seen. The old thing that the
lamentation at lower levels of sports as well, if I'm
not playing here, here or here, how am I going
to get seen? Well, the more teams that can make
it into the tournament, some of those schools now get
a little bit more run and probably the increases in
attendance in the applications which have hefty fees. Again talking
(24:03):
about building out your revenue, but just those eyeballs help
to really build the game, grow the game, and get
more players opportunity to go be stars as opposed to.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Languishing on a bench somewhere. So look, so that gets it.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
The other part is this, and this gets into a
little bit of the college football, but the other part
is is why is everybody going to greet to this
expansion because this will get more Power conference teams into
the NCAA tournament. I've already told you too many mid
major teams get in, right, that's been a huge run
over the last fifteen years. You know, Butler makes the
back to back National Championion games and sevieants. We gotta
(24:38):
let the mid majors in.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Ah, you don't.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
They don't play the same type of schedule as the
Power five conferences do.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I don't think you need to.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
But no, no, we're letting the mid majors in and
that's not going anywhere, right as long as they as
long as they show they win games.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Now, maybe we're gonna see a little bit of movement
because of nil and players are able to leave a
little bit easier to go from a stepping stone from
mid major to a Power five. But these berths are
going to go to Power five conferences. There we don't
talk about the snubs being boy, how does monmuth not
get in?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
You know?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
How does that? It's the if I tried you vetoed
that whole second.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
It's the big Power five conferences that get the snubs,
and they're gonna want more in so yes, of course,
the Big ten's gonna say we could potentially get another
team in the SEC. The AC gonna say the same thing. Yeah,
we're all for this because we could get more teams in.
So that's why that's absolutely going to happen. You're gonna
have everybody on board.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
The power brokers obviously, anywhere they can get a bigger share,
a bigger opportunity because in some cases, let's face it,
these six or seventh team in those conferences that aren't
earning automatic bids or or really don't find themselves even
worrying about the quote unquote bubble are still gonna be
(25:51):
better most times than those teams others on the fringe.
And yeah, mid majors just takes such a terrible connotation
to it, doesn't it. And no matter what you do,
that's never going away because you still have to classify,
so replace it with another term, it's still the same thing.
But for the Big ten at SEC, yeah, it's all
(26:14):
about flexing. Yeah right, it's like, all right, we'll play
by your rules, but here's that we need a little
extra skin in the game.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Now for college football, we're also going to get expansion
because now the different commissioners have talked about how much
support there is for a five plus eleven expansion or
a five plus eleven college football playoff, meaning the five
conference champions get in and eleven at large teams get in.
And there's been a lot of talk the last couple
(26:41):
of days. You heard the SEC and the Big Ten
want more teams in. We should have more teams in.
All this crazy ass stuff. I'm sick of them saying
we're better than everybody else, but this five and all.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Are they wrong?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
No, they're not wrong, But okay, you still need all
of college football.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, but they also bring not only are the teams
generally better, I mean that they're bringing the eyeballs in
the revenue. Yeah, but I'm much trickles down to the.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I'm pretty sure that you know, if Florida State or
Miami are going deep in playoffs, people are watching it.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
There's all sorts of lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I think that's no. No, they're staying now. They think
they settled that. But but this is this is what's
getting the attention. Obviously, the SEC and the Big Ten
want more guaranteed spots. This might be a way to say, well, hey, look, obviously,
if we're letting sixteen teams in. You have good teams,
they're going to get in. I have no doubt, and
I know that they're worried that, Hey, we got to
get to settle the next few months, Like we really need
(27:35):
more than a phone call. Right, It's like in the
office when they got everybody on that big phone call.
We couldn't do this all with an email. We got
to get everybody together. Bob Vance has got uh that's
kind of obscure reference, but I know it's good works.
So yes, the five and eleven is going to happen,
And yes it's gonna happen because it's more money, it's
more revenue, it's more everything.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's more that.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
But the other reason outside of the money is this
college football the last ten or fifteen years had become
really regionalized. And this is why we got a playoff
because the way the popularity of college football's move is
kind of splintered off where the national landscape wasn't where
it was because well, only two teams are making it
(28:17):
to the championship at the end, right, that's it. Out
of one hundred and twenty teams, only two teams are.
Then it was only four teams are making it out
of all of these teams. And as time has gone
on in sports, we have evolved as a country to
more teams in the playoffs. It's more interesting and there's
more relevance and more attention spent nationwide, which is how
(28:39):
you're going to grow your audience. When college football got
really regionalized, it was not good for the sport.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
You needed the.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Big usc is the dominant team. In the early two thousands,
that went away. Yeah, Alabama was kind of, but the
last few years, no, it's not been there. Adding teams
and getting the sixteen. Now, suddenly every team team across
the country in a in a big conference can say,
if we have a good team this year, we could
be a top twenty. Every team comes into the year
(29:08):
going if things fall right, we can be a top
twenty ish team and maybe we make the playoffs. You
are suddenly putting it on the table for the vast
majority of every power conference in college football to say
we can make it there, every team and that if
we have a big year. You know, if Iowa State
has a year where they have big recruits and win
the game, they can potentially be we could be a
(29:28):
top sixteen team in college football, we can get there. Look,
if it was sixteen teams, Syracuse would have been last
year and I would have never thought that could happen.
That could happen. Everybody across the country now is interested
and and and can can make it to the playoffs
with the sixteen team playoff. And this now makes it
more of a national sport because you are now looking
at the at the rankings like you're looking at standings.
(29:51):
Right if I'm watching Syracuse and West Virginia in a game,
or Syracuse and Pittsburgh or syracusean Clemson.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Boy, we win this game.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
We only have two losses that wash in an Oregon game,
they each have too that Oregon's got one loss, Washington's
got too. I want Oregon to win, because Washington would
have three losses. We'd move ahead of them. We get
in the top sixteen, all of a sudden, you are
watching it like you're watching standings in baseball or football
or basketball. It's that big a deal. You need to
have that national presence, and the more teams in the playoffs,
(30:20):
it's more of a national presences across the board for
college football. Of course, that's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
That follows.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I mean, we've watched it from all other sports that
have expanded their playoffs, adding extra wildcards. The final month
of the season, you're still potentially playing for something. You
still have a bunch of cities that are competing and
fan bases, the schools, the conferences. Hey, that might be
one more bid. I like the other wrinkle that's been
(30:46):
floated out there, and it's been out in the press.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
We've talked about it a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Was the idea that all right, if your first or
second in one of the big boy conferences, that maybe
you have a mini tournament that determine you know who's next.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Well, that's the big thing, which is because the sticky part,
the sticky wicket is going to be how do you
deal with a team that and we talked about this
when when last year because could see where it was
at when they selected the teams, is how do you
deal with a team that makes its conference championship game
but loses. And this is a team that has two
losses going in. Not a team that, hey, we're in
(31:23):
the conference is really bad and we're six and four
and won the conference. No, but a two loss team
that makes to its conference championship game and they lose, Right,
how do you reconcile that with a two loss team
that didn't make its conference championship game. So I'm a
big fan of I think what's gonna happen. And look,
the rankings will kind of suss this out that if
(31:44):
you're good enough to make your conference championship, you'll be
a top sixteen ish team. But like, I almost think
that they have to guarantee that if you make it
to your conference championship game, you're guaranteed to get into
the College Football playoffs and the and it doesn't matter saying, well,
you're rewarding both teams. No, but if you win that game,
you're a top seed and potentially you have a home game,
(32:04):
Like there's still a lot to play for by winning
that game.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Well, but I again going to the you know buys
and the top four you know rankings and everything else,
making sure you're not gonna get potentially screwed out of
one of those spots that you don't play it at all.
And now you've got, you know, for the sec in
Big ten floated about three through six, okay, maybe six
plays all the way through and can win but one
and two are safe and secure up in there, you know,
(32:30):
nestled in their top five rankings wherever those may be,
and are not in harm's way. So lots of different
ways to play this, lot of politicking and money h
still to suss out in this, but it's a fun
conversation to see where the next iteration of college sports goes.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
And the bottom up, we're getting more teams. Absolutely, they're
not gonna not do it right. They're now, they'll cap
it after a little while, they'll cut but we're gonna
get more teams, and we'll we'll sit it seventy two
teams in the NCAA tournament for a few or seventy
six for a few years. They're never gonna cut it back,
so no more about that. So we'll sit at seventy
two or seventy six for a few years. We'll sit
at sixteen for a few years, because I can't really
(33:07):
see the argument go, well, we're at sixteen.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Let's go now.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Sixteen is good, six to sixteen is good. We'll sit
there for until college football changes, until the big ten
in the SEC go. We're gonna have our own playoff
and our own premier league, and then you guys get
off acc in Big twelve. You can all sweat it out.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
We don't care about that Champions League. Yeah, let's good.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
So they call the Champions League is the second best league.
Like that doesn't make sense, Like why would't the Champions
League be the best league? I don't stand So, no matter.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
We all win, we all. I just groomed you a fact, Syracuse.
They're getting demoted.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
No, no, stop, dude, for the I mean, I can't
believe that we could have gotten in last year.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
You're out in oh.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Mand Rex, and they just keep spending money, keep going up,
just keep spending up the town.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Hashtag up the town. Coming up next.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Final thoughts on Game five of the Eastern Conference Finals,
and I will ask a very big question because I
wonder sometimes if I'm a bad Knicks fan.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Something that came up tonight makes me think you are.
I think I'm a bad Knicks fan.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That's that's Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
You good, bro.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike harmon.
So I gotta ask you that Nix win tonight. Yeah,
and I thought they would come up with a big
effort because this is this is who they are, It's
in their DNA, this is this is the team there.
They're not gonna quit, They're not gonna timberwolve their way through.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Part of a champion.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
But I got it because the reasons I was happy for.
They won, because yes, okay, now anything can happen.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
You know that. Jason's like all night, we seem like
you're happy.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yes, of course I'm happy, but I'm not crazy Game
one happy because Okay, they bought themselves another couple of days. Right,
what do they do winning Game three? They bought themselves
two more days. What do they do tonight? They bought
themselves two more days?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Right? Game six?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I'll be much more crazed on Monday if we come
on the air, we're playing Game seven.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
We should go back and grab video from the Game one,
release it as a short film.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Dude, I'm still coming back. I was broken, man, not bad.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I watched I watched your soul, your body, It circled
a little bit and said the hell with this? And
when you're broken, heat some times, like one of those
people in one of those bad like ski accidents and
like I broke, like, you know, three bones in my
leg and my arm and my this.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
I was like, dude, I need some time Manta. I
was thinking he needed taking time to hear. But so
it's really bad. So I wanted so the nixt tonight.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I wanted them to to win, obviously, because you know,
wanted to see him win, want to see maybe they
can pull this out. But one of the other reason
this makes me think I'm a bad Knicks fan is
that is that one of the main reasons I wanted
them to win was because, Okay, they win tonight. Game
six is Saturday. If the Knicks lose to the Pacers
on Saturday, you and I are not on the air
(36:04):
again until Monday night.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Oh I'm on Sunday morning, so I can call you. Yeah,
I cannot answer my phone. You would you and I?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
No, you and I are not on the air together
until seven o'clock Monday night. I don't need to be
on the until seven o'clock. By that time, we're onto
all other new things and this is over. We're previewing
the finals, the Pacers and the thunder and all that
were like, I don't have to deal with the Knicks, like,
because it's so much time between Saturday, the news cycle
will have turned over twice and I could just say, Okay,
(36:33):
we're fresh on Monday. Don't got to worry about stuff anymore.
We're done, don't have to talk about it. Am I
a bad Knicks fan for for saying okay, now, I
feel like they've they they've done that for me, very selfish,
but I feel like they've done that for your selfish bastard.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I mean, I'm kind of hoping though, we get the
we get to live and die with you on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
The oh no, no, no, I want to see that too.
I want to see that. Nobody wants to No, no, come on, man,
you don't want to see you want to see me
the whole time playing in the background. I will be
able to put two words together.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
It's like, all right, I'm down exactly. We'd be asking
that question a lot. I think I'm.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Not not great, Bob not great. He's all right, but
I feel like I'm I'm being selfish with that. But
in the end, I'm okay with being selfish, Like, Okay,
what They've done is they've allowed me to not have
to worry about it. I don't have to be on Twitter.
I don't have to do anything. I can just say
Saturday afternoon, Saturday night, Okay, I'm good man, I'll see.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
You Monday night and we're talking about other things. No,
we'll get it. We're good. That won't be the case.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
So waiting on Twitter's in activity for you on the weekend.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
No know what I'm saying is I don't have to
worry about you.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
No, Like you know, at night here I tweet, we're
on the air and I tweet our takes out.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
I want to talk about that. We were talking about
the weekend.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Yeah, but Monday, I mean think about we can do
full segments just reading tweets.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
You're out here, like uh, secretary scheduled you for like
meetings all day.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I got at nine o'clock on Saturday morning, I got
a twelve thirty. I tellt you got to cancel all that,
all right, I'm not doing it, not having it.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
No, you're just gonna go in down.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I can just unplug for that thirty six ish atasy,
So almost forty eight hours from what could be the
end of the next season until we have to come.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Out and talk. How do we not live stream that?
Though I could go that'll be so good.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I go zero dark twenty because if we could do it,
I mean, you could just curse, you could just let you.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Know, let it all fly. Nah No, I got to disappear.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I'm man six, I'm done, and I could really just
try to put that ridiculous game one thing behind me.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Because you can put Timberland boots on.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Here's here's because here's the thing about me when I
mean I'm broken, right called Kylie.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
The number.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Teams said fourteen hundred wins and no lawsuit. We thought
about it up by nine with fifty one seconds left.
Ear Yeah, since the NBA started counting in nineteen nine,
one of the greatest stats of all time, teams at
fourteen hundred and fourteen wins and zero losses until the
knixt game won. Right, here's how that bad. I thought
about how much worse that is. It's it would be
(39:17):
worse if they could count everything. Because you say, okay,
well only goes back to nineteen ninety five. Remember ninety
five and before nobody hit three pointers like they do now,
that's srure. Nobody hit three or four threes in the
final minute of games like they do now, so that
would have made comebacks even more difficult. Then you get
to even before that, what do you have? No three pointers?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Fair? So you're going all the way back to the
beginning of the NBA.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Where do you think any team's ever come back from
down nine with fifty seconds left? No, it's a five
possession game at that point. I guarantee, I would almost
guarantee you teams are whatever the final number is.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And oh until game one against the Pacers. Well, and
also just.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Five thousand and oh, ten thousand and oh, I had
ten years with it. There was no shot clock. Again,
go back to when Naismith came and says, hey, guess what,
let's have basketball. Let's let's cut out the bottoms of
the peach baskets so the ball comes down and get
it easier.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
You're on borrowed time Smith, And oh, look at most
of his mind until game one.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
That's what I had to get a brow that said, no,
not great, Bob, No, no, we won tonight. So it's okay,
hiks for the Wings. You're welcome from my comp Jason
coming up next to my buddy Ben Mallard. This is
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