October 22, 2024 • 47 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon recap Week 7 of fantasy football, starting with their immediate thoughts and reactions following the Monday Night Football doubleheader. Later, they get into the rest of the weekend's matchups, going through the biggest studs and duds from across the sport. The guys also spend some time on the New York Jets, attempting to disentangle that unique situation following a brutal loss to the Steelers on Sunday Night Football. Plus, Mike gives his hot waiver wire adds as we move into Week 8!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You want experience during your football season, well, buckle up,
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Mike Harmon. Mike and Dan break down everything you need
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(00:24):
The guys help you make those hard decisions. And now
let's get your flex on. Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Week seven of the books give us a Monday night
doubleheader which we dive into, plus some of the fallout
from the new Faces in New Places. Get Mike at Swollendome.
You can find me at Dan Byer on Box. Ian
Roddy as our executive producer, you can find him at
Ian Roddy Underscore. And it's funny, Mike, because Ian and
I were talking just prior to the podcast as your
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step out of the studio, and Ian said to me
one good game on Monday Night and one bad one.
And I didn't know which one he was talking about,
because I think he could make a case for both
of them in both of those scenarios. But that's what
we got in week seven's doubleheader.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
No, and that's it, right, It was a blowout until
it wasn't. When we were talking about the Ravens and
the Buccaneers, Buccaneers being plucky in the comeback effort in
the fourth quarter. And we'll get into the particulars in
a second. But the other game, Look, if it's close late,
that constitutes a good game, right, or at least that's
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what I'm told, even if it's like watching paint dry.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
For I'm gonna need to clarify because I still am
not sure exactly what we were I want to hunt sutt.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I won one hundred percent. Was talking about the Ravens game,
just the high scoring points, So that was what you were.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Just excited about the over Okay.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Sure, I don't. I don't know. So the low points
didn't do it for me in the other one.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So the Ravens Buccaneers game was your good one for
Monday night.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, I mean, let's not call it one of the
games of the year or anything.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
No, no, but at least it had some fantasy.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Relevent not a fan of Dicker the Kicker, Huh.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I'm not a fan of those skyboxes they tried to
put into the end zone. If you've seen that. I
think we got a few looks at it because of
the field goals. But Arizona that open end where they
wheel in the field, They've really not been able to
do anything with it, and so it's just that open
ended part of the field. And they put like these skyboxes,
these club seats, but they're not big at all, so
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it doesn't take up any room. Just so weird.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
And their uniforms sucked.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Didn't like the black one.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't like the black ones. It doesn't pop for me. Sure,
you got so many other color combinations that work, and
I get it. Black uniform it's it's an easy sell
because everybody will wear a black T shirt, black jersey, yes, right,
it's you know, fits into any wardrobe nice and easily.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I'm not as offended as much by the Cardinals as
I am, say when Ian's Jets wear them. You didn't
like those, No, I didn't like them.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
I mean they're not even in the wardrobe anymore. That Yeah,
they changed to the throwbacks, but actually that was one
of the few that I liked, was the all blacks,
all whites.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I didn't like the green ones when they had those.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not a fan with the overuse
of black Eagles. One is awful. So they're the ones
that they wore in Brazil are just atrocious. But anyway,
I digress. At least the Chargers looked good.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They look good. A lot of powdered blue in the
crowd too, Yes, yeah, and then well, I mean look
justin Herbert throws for three forty nine the Jalen riger
right off the jump. One of the controversial plays in
that game was he out of bounds before the fumble?
Was the other guy out of bounds before you recover?
Like all of that to say, there was your opportunity otherwise, Uh,
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they've actually they've got no closers right now. You know,
we've been talking a lot about Baseball get ready for
the World Series. They've got no closer in the red zone,
no closer to finish out drives, And right now it's
coming back to buying them. As much as that defense,
I joke that they're basically pitch West.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Listen, I'm you know, I'm not a huge Harball fan,
but I'm at least giving him a break in terms
of how they're reshaping this organization. I think your skill
people and everybody that you have on the outside, both
at the running back position, because let's face it, you know,
it's not like JK. Dobbins was a sure bet.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
No reclamation project that he took from his brother. Ye, Hey,
are these guys good? Yeah, yeah, they're gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
The Gus Bus you know, even though he's dinged up
as well, he's on the ir Now, yeah, we knew what,
we knew what they were kind of bringing in, and
they just didn't. They didn't have much on the on
the outside, even with drafting Quinton Johnston you know, in
the first round and yeah, now he's not available. So
it's just uh yeah, it's it's a tough goal for
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the Chargers at the skill positions.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, it's just tough when you've got a defense that's
that good and flying around and getting you off the field.
You got a kickers all worldwide. Fifty nine was the
first one. So we're talking about, you know, the super
toe phenomenon continues and that offensively you can't close out
possessions and you know, field goals are gonna lead you
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to bad space. I mean, Justin Herbert is unplayable right now.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, I had to plan this week because of just
Justin fields got benched, and it's.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, injuries and buys. Yeah, he'll find his way there,
but I find it hard pressed that I'll ever rank
him in the top twelve. Yeah, as it stands right now.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think they're the opposite as a team almost of
last year, where last year they had names and flashy stuff,
but it wasn't translating into production and their defense really
wasn't good, and now it's just a complete one eighty.
I still like them as a team. I just know
it is kind of fantasy wasteland. You're right about that, Like,
there's there's no point if we're on a fantasy podcast
and talking about them fantasy wise, there's no point to them.
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I still think I think they're gonna still the playoffs.
I know Monday Night wasn't great for them, but Fantasy
Wasteland with the Chargers Cardinals are interesting. There is just
still something off with Kyler Murray and Marvin Harrison Junior.
You can never question James Connor. He is fricking amazing. Yeah,
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maybe amazing is not a strong word, but I think
when you watch James Connor, you just have this appreciation
of who he is and what he does, so you know,
that's unique on the Arizona side of things. I just
I'm curious about them, Mike, because we saw them get
blown out by Green Bay, but that was two weeks
after They're crazy comeback against the forty nine ers, and
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really it's kind of been on Kyler's legs like that's been.
You know, you had the run against the nine Ers,
you had the run on Monday Night against the Chargers,
But not everybody is feeding like you kind of thought
they would in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
This year, Ellen McBride was limited and you expect I
didn't expect a massive game given the opponent, but I
think he finished with what five points for the night?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, which five on fifty one.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, So you know, PPR leagues get you, get you
a little bit of juice, but overall, you know, not
the impact that you're anticipating him giving you for the week.
In PPR leagues, you know that that will get you
a solid effort, but not to you know, the the
heights that we we'd anticipated coming into the year. Harrison
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Junior coming back off the concussion, You're you're hoping, if
nothing else, you're gonna pile up some receptions and then
Wilson you know, has popped up once or twice on
the year, but there's just no level of consistency. It
still begins and ends with Connor's play and the fact
that he can be so elusive in the open field
despite being the smash mouth guy in between the tackles
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is really uh, it's a lost art, Dan. I mean,
we've got very few guys that we get to watch
do those kind of things, but everything else hinges on
for fantasy purposes. Kind of Murray getting the wheels going,
which he did early and that he did again late
to put you to the promised Land.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
We transition from the good game to the bad game,
or the bad game to the good game, depending on
what you like. In the Ravens take care of the
Buccaneers seventy two points overall scored in the game. The
Ravens obviously jump out to the huge lead. Buccaneers try
to make a comeback late, but it comes at an
enormous price because Chris Godwin with a dislocated ankle, Mike
(08:30):
Evans hurt earlier in the game, Buccaneers are banged up.
Not only do they take the loss, but now you've
lost two enormous pieces to that offense.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, you start looking around, going all right, where are
you going to find some help? Because the Evans thing
without a diagnosis and update, as we record late Monday,
sounds like it's going to be a week to week
proposition that there's no Hey, a couple of days of
treatment's going to get him back and ready to go.
So this does he get relegated to in a red
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zone specialist? You know down the road, right? Is that
where we're headed? And for Godwin, you know, he just
would Everybody was doing the lip reading as he was
carted off the field, basically just saying back to work, right,
he's depending free agent. Dislocated ankle was the initial discussion
to it all. And so now you lose a guy
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who look I owned him in pretty much every fantasy
league I'm in. So it's and you could feel it, right,
the yak and explosive plays and all of that. Now
it goes to Sterling Shepherd, Jalen McMillan and a little
bit of Trey Palmer, and I got to imagine they're
looking around and saying, all right, a couple of the
big chips are already falling off the board in terms
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of receiving. We're gonna need more than what we can
get out of the Rashad White, Bucky Irving, Sean Tucker
trios receivers out of the backfield. So you know, Tampa
Bay becomes one of those potential buyers in the next
week and a half trying to figure out where there's
depth at wide receiver with two big chips already off
in Adams and Cooper.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
There's two ways you can look at this. With the Buccaneers.
You can say, well, the Saints and Panthers really don't
seem to be competitive in this division, so we just
have to beat the Falcons. But that is also then
the reason where you're like, Okay, we need to just
go out and get somebody, because all we have to
do is beat the Falcons. You just can't. You can't
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be in shorthanded. I mean, it's one thing to lose
one guy. To lose your top two guys, I don't
know how they're going to be able to change, but
I still think Tampa it's gonna be Tampa or Atlanta
in that division. And Atlanta didn't show anything in Week
seven and they're lost to Seattle, and I just don't
think the Saints are going anywhere in the Spencer Rattler era,
and the Panthers are the Panthers. So it's such an
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interesting spot for the Buccaneers to be in because who
thinks to lose your top two guys. By the way,
do you think Godwin should have been playing at that point? Yeah,
you think so. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
We talked about it a little bit on the actually
quite a bit, just kind of going back because the
anger in vitriol started is like we've seen the Ravens
collapse in prior games. Now if they'd shut them down
after three quarters where they're still getting housed, Okay, minute
thirty four, they're moving the ball. Well, one explosive play
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we've seen the Ravens. They splashed it up on the broadcast.
There have been three on side kick attempts against them
this year. Two have been successful, including one earlier in
the game. Like, you made it a game, so finish
it out and it's just an unfortunate thing. It was
funny because Troy Aikman on the play prior was talking
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about how in those circumstances Jimmy Johnson would just release
the hounds and blitz the hell out of the quarterback.
Just saying all right, you want it, you got it,
and you saw Baker Mayfield under durest the play before
Godwin got hurt. I think it's just, you know, an
unfortunate circumstance ants and in a ten point game in
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the final couple minutes, I'd still be playing it out
like if you were gonna throw the flag and say
live to see another day, that would have been when
it was thirty four to ten.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, I and I think fantasy wise too, were like
good garbage garbage time. And I'm not trying to light
of an injury, but we're looking at it saying like,
oh yeah, great, you know here's good. And for those
who had Godwin Evans was hurt. So I guess who's
gonna get those targets, right, It's gonna be Chris Godwin,
That's who you're looking for. But yeah, I agree with that.
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The question that I just have, like in terms of
the comeback aspect, because you you brought that up with
the Ravens. When are team's gonna decide all right, it's
it's not gonna be our night. It's kind of like
you when you leave the pitcher in Mike because you
don't want to waste your bullpen.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Sure, or in the NBA, where we've seen plenty of
teams just say it's a seven game series. We're getting
beaten out the gate. We're done.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, we have a back to back, we played them.
Guess what, you know, we're down fourteen in the third quarter.
We'll just mail this and we'll come back tomorrow night
and figure that out. I just wonder if that would
ever happen in the National Football League, if you get
to that point, which would be awful for the league,
if you're sitting there punting on games in the third quarter,
but when you're down forty one to eighteen, like the
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Buccaneers were at one point, would give you maybe pause
to be like, okay, that's maybe time for us to
maybe just hang this one up. They didn't scored a
couple of times and then now lost your other top
wide receiver. Just thinks for them Ravens wise, My goodness.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
The feast, I mean Rashaan Bateman, former first round pick.
He's running free in the secondary and giving you a
little bit of hope that that becomes a more consistent
opportunity going forward. So you got to be excited there.
The tight end. Okay, not Isaiah likely, he didn't give
you anything, but you know you're looking at an opportunity
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from Mark Andrews. A couple of weeks ago, we joked
about it when Harball had to go out of his
way to say, hey, a lot of pancake blocks out
there for Marcan. I don't care about his pancake blocks,
damn it. I need him to catch passes. Well, he
gave you a couple of scores today, And I mean,
Jackson was just fantastic, except for the dopey thing where
he tried to hesitate and let go of the ball
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that ended up becoming a fumble and a turnover, which
opened the door for the Tampa Bay potential comeback effort. Anyway,
he was magnificent putting the ball down the field.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
They just man, I mean, it's snowballs. And even like
in the first half, I don't know if it was
Joe Bocker Troygan. Then I was saying, you gotta get
Derrick Henry going. Then there's the eighty one yard run. Yeah, man,
you know.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well he had four carries at halftime. It's like, is
he hurt? Is he sick?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Did he did he piss? Off hardball that he sat
him down. Did he curse out Todd Munkin? I mean
what happened? And that he's sprinting down this and that's that.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
They have this weird thing where they played to the
level of their competition. In a way, it's a good thing,
like you know, this is a primetime game on the road,
and then they show up as a primetime team. But
then they to your point about the comebacks earlier or
them not being able to hold their leads, they blow
that game against the Raiders like they did. It's it's
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funny sometimes with Baltimore, but they are they like Lamar Jackson.
I feel like I've played in the games where he's
had five touchdown passes? Did it last year in the
Fantasy Championship game? I played against them in a league
this week. But there aren't a lot of five touchdown
pass guys in the National Football League. We think, like, okay,
it could have happen with every thirty you know, thirty
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two teams. We've talked about Mahomes. Mahomes is no longer
a five touchdown game guy.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
He's a five touchdown in a month guy.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Herbert could have been maybe on that list last year.
He's not on that list anymore. There are just only
so many people that can give you that five touchdown
game and the way that they play and the way
that the momentum ends up rolling. Josh Allen is a
five touchdown guy like that happens, but we've seen stinkers
from him before. But when the Ravens get rolling like
they get rolling, and say, Flowers didn't do really anything,
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you know, he had one catch, ended up having some
rushing yards as well, but.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Even got in the way of a football at one
point on a snap.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
So there, there's there's there's the full there's the full
Monty for you for uh for Zay Flowers. It's funny
because there are certain plays that I didn't see in
the game because of the broadcast setup, which again I'm
not a fan of this Monday night thing, and we are.
We were lucky in southern California where the Chargers were
on the local channel right where they were able to play,
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But I believe the rest of the country had to
have it on ESPN Plus to be able to get
the game. And it's just not I get it, like
I understand, like the Sunday afternoon you're only seeing like
the certain game that's on your TV. But there is
something special and something you about Monday Night on Sundays.
I don't feel like I'm missing something or something's being
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kept from me. I would have that feeling. I had
that feeling, and I had access to both games because
I've got I got one TV in my living room.
So what am I trying to, you know, fight back
and forth between that and working out wombats and in
the whole deal. But I just I'm not I'm not
loving this. And I don't know if tonight was a great,
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great case for Monday Night was a great case for
this for the National Football League, I just don't. I
don't think it's great for the viewer, and I don't
think that the viewer's best intentions are being taken into account.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
No, And that's that's where it gets into like there's
a lot of consternation over how Fox handled the league
championship series right to take a broader, you know approach
going to baseball for a second, where you had FS
one involved versus Big Fox, Right, so the battle of
the mass singer and and things have that nature. So yeah,
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it's the decision making some of them feel like they're
test balloons, others feel like maybe a longer play, and
ultimately the viewer has to decide is this game worth
eleven dollars? To me, you may not watch anything else. Now.
For ESPN Plus, we watch a lot of college soccer,
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my daughter and I, so I get my eleven bucks worth.
But for other folks, I understand where they wouldn't. I'm
also in LA so I didn't you know? I loaded
it at one point and then it's like, oh wait,
it's on the local channel, which I didn't know because
all week it was grained in my head ESPN Plus,
ESPN Plus, so just fully anticipating that until it's like, no, no, no,
it's on local. So you're all good. But I agree
(18:43):
with you. It's, you know, we're at that that weird
part in the evolution of the game in terms of
global globalization, monetization, the fragmentation of all these different streaming services,
of trying to figure out where the best formula is there.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I understand Amazon saying, hey, we're gonna have this Black
Friday game, and obviously Amazon has their Thursday Night package.
Now I understand Netflix saying we're gonna have these games
on Christmas. By the way, there's two games that are
gonna be back to back. It's not like they're overlapping
and they're both gonna be on the same provider. I
get it. I will sign up for that to see
those games, sort of have those games not a big deal.
(19:23):
This is different when there's another game going on. I'm like, well,
why would I sign up for the other one if
I'm only seeing half of it? Anyway, Like, it didn't
even it wasn't even a bang for my buck sort
of thing. Mike like, if I'm like, want to watch football,
I'll just watch the Ravens and Buccaneers and watch the
score up in the.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And then they'll cut in when they need to with them.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah. Yeah, it didn't even seem like it was a
way to tenth the viewer into anything.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
By the way, you only had what two highlights in
the all right, maybe three? I guess the Connor thirty
three yard run to say, all right, this is this
is it to say up the winning field goal? Otherwise
I mean, are you doing a super cut of dicker
Field goals?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Probably? No, No, absolutely no.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
You're going to show the reader play. You're going to
show the Kyler Murray run.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, and I heard the Manning cast was mad as
well because they weren't getting the Chargers Cardinals as much
as they would have hoped. I just think it's a
bad I don't think that the viewer was serviced in
this scenario by having the second game the ESPN Plus game.
I just don't think that many people were like, I
need to sign up for that to watch the second
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half of Cardinals Chargers, And if you saw what the
score was at halftime, there was no way that you
were signing up for it. I think you were just like,
you know what, I'm good for the night. That just
doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Yeah, the
other games were ESPN and and ESPN broadcast on each
of those. But all right, anyway, I've gone on long
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enough on my dislike of how it was set up.
I don't mind them doubleheader as much, but don't put
one on a pay subscription. All right. He's Mike Carmen,
I'm dan By. You heard Ian Roddy will continue with
some of the fallout from the action on Sunday. In
the National Football League. Davonte Adams a new gig with
the new York Jets, Russell Wilson starring with the Pittsburgh Steelers,
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plus what do the forty nine Ers do now without
Brandon Ayuk for the rest of the season. We'll talk
about those topics next year. And I want your flex now.
If Monday Night didn't entertain you, I'm not sure Sunday
and night did either. It was the Jets up early
and then it was the Pittsburgh Steelers rolling the rest
of the way. He is Mike Harman, and I'm Dan Pyre,
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our Jets fan on staff as Ian Roddy, and I
know Ian probably didn't love to see his Jets get
steamrolled on Sunday and they were getting steamrolled by a
new quarterback with the Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know if
it was a great night, Mike, for Russell Wilson and Pittsburgh,
but it was a pretty good night. Got off to
a slow start, but did seem to give the Steelers
a little bit more of a passing game than what
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Justin Fields did. I don't know if the jets in
capabilities played into all of this, but how did you
take the Sunday n out of fair When we look
at the Jets and Steelers.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
It's funny because early on the returns were I even
put it out, they you know, Russell Wilson, they wanted
him gone. The sea was angry, my friend, using the
old George Costanza and when he was a marine biologist,
go look at But the the idea that was the
you know, got got to get my early nineties sitcom
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reference in early. So there it is for the mark
the tape, but just the idea of you know, he
was worm burning a couple of balls, leaving some out
and not really getting the receivers where they needed to be.
Now he was the benefactor. Beneficiary would be the better
word of the fact that George Pickens had a lot
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of ill will towards him for lack of effort, getting
called out all over the place, the fact that he
leaked the fact that Russell Wilson was going to be starting.
I'm sure he got on as chewing from Mike Tomlin
after that, especially after Mike tom Wood had said, ah,
you know, we know in house, we'll keep that close
to the vest.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Not at all.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Hey, it's work. Working with Russ is great, you know,
since it's gonna be his first start and all, it's
like yeah, no, probably not the best thing. So he
gave his best effort. And the one thing Russell Wilson does,
and I think they really did the overkill to try
to lather up the love for Russell Wilson was he
puts He puts the ball up in the air like
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justin fields, tries to cut through the air and maybe
throw it through defenders at times think that it's gonna
find your hands. Yeah, Russ puts the ball up and
lets you go make a play. And you saw Pickens
making plays for balls downfield. You saw that catch from Friarmouth,
which was about as good a catch and effort as
you're gonna see. So that was the difference to me. Right,
you got the run, game got going, and the fact
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that you know on the other side for the Jets
and Ian you could speak to this maybe better than
I do. Uh, you fired the guy that are orchestrated
the defense. The defense looked pedestrian and got run over,
which was the Achilles heel. And then all of a
sudden you can lobby in a couple of deep balls
and stretch it. Never mind the fact that you worked
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on short fields due to some of the inconsistencies to
be kind of the Jets offense.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Jets were a rough look. I don't know if Ian's
just still sulking over it or not. But again, going
to the point that we had last week, when you
fire Robert Salah, everybody else now takes on added work
or work that they weren't accustomed to doing. Now Jeff
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Ulbrich has got to be the head coach, not running
the defense. Now. It's how doubting is taking over the
offense instead of just being the passing game coordinator. Nathaniel
Hackett doesn't have any power to do anything. The removal
of Sala as the head coach just did not make
any sense. And now to your point of yeah, you
elevate the defensive coordinator like these are some of the
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things that I think that you can see when you
do something like that. Now you throw in DeVante Adams
to the crew. And we know how Aaron Rodgers in
DeVante Adams relationship is. We have been talking about it
since the day Aaron Rodgers heck became a Jet. So
now you have even less accountability with the coaches to
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be able to do something, and you're giving Rogers even
more power it's just it's such a mess. It is
an absolute bunch of gobblygook, if you will, nicely doing
Breece Hall having the night that he did was maybe
the best thing for the Jets. But you're like, we
gave away a third round pick for three catches and
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thirty yards and sure some things may have opened up
for Garrett Wilson at some point, but you're two and
five right now, So it's just I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Hey, Adams didn't make a hell of a tackle though.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Touchdown saving tackle after interception.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Ian Are you are you less enthused about your Jets
after that Sunday Night Affairracy? Yeah, I'm a lot.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I'm a lot less enthusied because that was, like, that
was a must win game. They're two and four now,
like the season yeah, worse, worse, worse, Yeah, thanks Dan, Yeah,
two and five, So it's like they have to go.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Pretty much perfect the rest of the way.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
You're you're able to drop a game here or there potentially,
but at this point, like you need to the fact
that you've dropped games against teams like the Broncos, you
now have to win extra ones that you you know,
quote unquote weren't supposed to win in the past, they're
just flat Like the Steelers were a team that they
were supposed to win and they didn't. They got rolled over,
and it felt like after the Rogers interception, it was
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like the whole team just gave up. And and that's
I don't know if it's a coaching thing, what Johnson
needs to sell the team is My main takeaway coming
out of it is that he is so reactionary. Like
what you said about the solid thing is spot on, Dan,
It's like he he obviously wasn't a perfect coach or
maybe you know, maybe not even a good coach. But
but in being so reactionary firing him so early on
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in the season, you you took the energy out of
the entire locker room. What is there for anyone to
be excited about?
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Sure, well he already took the power away, right, I mean,
Joe Douglas is basically acting at the behest of of
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yes, but but it makes me wonder, like I really
don't know that that Rogers had much of a say
in the Sola firing. Now now that we've kind of
seen all this this play out, Like I really think
that it might have just been the media being like,
you know, Rogers hates Sla he wants him out.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I'll put it this way, if Rogers wanted Sola there,
he'd still be.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
He'd still be there, right, right, right, So he didn't
make a conscious effort to keep him there. But I
also think it's a little overblown that he hated Sala
and wanted to.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
No, no, nobody, nobody's saying it's a hate. It doesn't help.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I actually think.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
People were saying that.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
But but he but the point is he yeah, I
don't know, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, hey, why not it's just a podcast?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
No, But but the reality is, you know, like whatever
his feelings are, because he said, you know, I love
Robert and they could be the best of friends off
the field, but you can still not like how somebody
operates in the place of business.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Definitely.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I mean, how many families are torn asunder when they
try to work together? What are best friends have an
idea for a business and all of a sudden, it's like,
you know what, we probably should just go back to
drinking beers on weekends and hanging out. Right, Yeah, So
same thing here. Philosophically, and where they're at might have
been two very different things.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
I guess my bigger thing is I just feel like
it's pretty clear that he didn't Rogers didn't respect Sola
and and that might have played into it. But I
think it was a little overblown that that he didn't
like him and wanted him fired and stuff. I think
he just like Rogers, just isn't going to respect his
head coach. That's that's who he is. It's just and
I think that is historically the case.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Well again, I didn't read the book, but I listened
to Ian O'Connor's book about Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers,
there is a part of him in the book where
they talk about he puts people on islands, and when
you're on an island, you are persona on grade to him.
We saw it with his parents, he did it with
close friends, He's done it with other people. And so
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you know, if you're not on Aaron Rodgers side of things,
or you're not with him, you are likely against him.
And so with the solid thing, again, he may not
have had anything to do with it. In that conversation
on Monday Night with Woody Johnson, But in that conversation,
if Aaron Rodgers would have said, we need to keep
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Robert around for this season, he is the one that's
going to get it done, then a change would not
have been.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Made, right, right, But I think there's it's such a
wide spectrum between him telling what he to fire him
and him just not saying anywall.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
But you're saying that, you know the old song, you
say it best when you say nothing at all, like
you can fight for him to stick around.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, but I think it's established he didn't respect him
enough to want to fight for him.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
This is I don't want to. I don't wanna. I
was going to try to make a correlation to the
Menendez brothers, but they would just have been awful. So
I'm not even gonna. I'm not even gonna. Yeh, I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I don't. But I haven't followed these shows, so I don't.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
I haven't either.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
It's been a long time since I've followed the case
of just.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
The case of it, well, like it's just of you know,
there's there's yeah, don't even worry about it. No, No,
the point being, and I think that Ian and Ian
I'm not piling on you. It's not saying this is
that Aaron Rodgers could have saved Robert Sala's job if
he wanted Sala there. But if Woody Johnson says, I'm
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thinking about firing Robert, yeah, well you're the owner, what
he I mean, it's your team. You do what you
gotta do, you know that sort of thing, Or if
he didn't in this conversation of not even maybe bringing
up the topic at all, like that doesn't I don't
think Aaron Rodgers wanted his hands dirty. He's already got
one coach fired and Mike McCarthy, as Mike said, you
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don't want that one on your hands either. So if
what he Johnson is going to do it, Aaron Rodgers
is not going to stand in his way. If he
wants Robert Sala gone, fine, go right ahead and do it.
So if there was any point where there was going
to be pushed back on a possible change, I just
I and you know what, I also say this, if
Aaron Rodgers didn't want him fired, don't you think Aaron
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would have said something since then until now?
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I just think there's a difference between wanting him fired
and being indifferent about it. And I think he was
indifferent about it, Like I don't. I think the way
it's been painted is, or at least up until now,
is that he wanted him fired. But to me, it's
that he just wasn't different about it. So to your point,
if what he did come to him and say, hey,
we're thinking about firing Robert sala I don't think he
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cared enough to inference stead.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
That he didn't want him. I think that that's I
don't think that there's three steps of not wanting him,
indifference and not wanting them. It's either you want him
or you don't want it.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Just for you to not want someone, there needs to
be someone who you view as a better option, you
know what I mean, Like like you need there needs
to have been someone that he viewed as a better
option for him to literally want sala out.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I when they fired Mike McCarthy, I don't think that
there was the consideration of, hey, there's a better option.
I don't think that Aaron just wants his way. He's
gam he's the head coach. I just I don't think
he could he could have stopped it. Maybe maybe he's
on board with this boy hacke it. You know, he
(32:47):
with with praising him for how well he's handled the demotion,
but he could have stopped it, just like the way
they they've got DeVante Adams anyway, now.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
They got to figure out how to stop the bleeding. Yes, yes,
that's really what it comes down to. And you know,
Smith and I got we didn't get fiery into it,
but I firmly disagreed with the Garrett Wilson asked to
catch that ball. I don't care if dude got a
finger on it. I was not.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
I was yelling it was he tried to squash and
he actually, which I liked. He owned up to that
after the game. He said, it's a culmination of bad habits.
I need to catch it with my hands. That's what
I said in the moment, Like why are you catching
it with your body? It's a perfect throat and it
bounced off his chest. It's like, if you're one of
the best receivers in the league, like people say you are,
you catch that?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
You catch that ball.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I think there's something there because Garrett Wilson was one
of the better skilled receivers that you had coming into
the draft. Like when you talk about pro receivers and
doing the stuff like that, catching with your hands, that's
what he did. That's it's truly And I've watched the
enough Ohio State football to see the receivers that have
gone through. There was no one better more prepared for
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the pros than Michael Thomas. There wasn't. Then Marvin Harrison
Junior came along and he was great. But Garrett Wilson
is up in that conversation with those two guys, and
so there may be there may be something there with
Garrett Wilson right now that's just not right in his head.
And I won't blame that on Aaron Rodgers, but there
may be a mental thing going on in just you know,
a mental block. Sometimes that's just not you know, athletes.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
It happens, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, absolutely all right. We'll take your calls one eight
hundred jets, give us a ring here on I want
your flax. He is Ian Roddy, that's Mike Carmen. I'm
Dan Beyer. We got to take a time out. We
will get to the Brandon Ayuk information and how that
plays out with the forty nine ers. In fact, we're
probably going to do it on our next podcast. So
that's going to be dropping on Wednesday. We'll give the
fallout for that because coming up next, Mike's got your
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waiver wire. We know you got to make your claims,
get your fab ready for week eight in the NFL season.
Plus we'll do our report cards, what hit, what missed
in week seven? A lot more to get to and
I promise the solid firing, by the way, is two
weeks ago and we're still talking about how great is that.
We will get the more here and I want your flex.
He's Mike, I'm dan thatt'sy and that's next report card
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top for week seven, plus Mike Scott the waiver wire
pickcups that you are going to need with all the
injuries that we saw in week seven. First of all,
my ego has been injured. After I told you that
the points of Palooza was going to be Eagles Giants.
I even said on the podcast guys that I thought
it could be a funky one. Eagles actually kept up
their end of the bargain, Giants did not. Eagles scored
(35:31):
twenty eight in the game. Giants scored a whole three,
so that failed. And then to Mario Douglas, which seemed
to be a theme in Week seven, with people getting sick.
He was not feeling well. Only hauled in two catches
in that game in London against the Jaguars. That was
not a good play and nobody really a good play
for the Patriots and that contest. But I did give
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you some survivor winners, Colts and Bills ended up prevailing.
Colts was a little tricky. It was a little tricky
for the Bills for a while. Guys against the Titans,
but Buffalo ended up pulling away big time in the
second half, but ended up working out. Survivor wise, Ian
your streaming defenses, Rams and Jags, how'd they fare?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
They what?
Speaker 5 (36:12):
It was a great week? It was a great week.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Now, let me start by saying I did preface my
defenses by saying, if the Bengals were available in your league,
then you should try and get them. They scored fifteen points,
so if they were there, I hope you got them.
The Rams, which were one of my official picks, they
had seventeen points, so that could have been a league
winner for you. You work, and then the Jaguars had
eleven points. So all three were very very good streaming options.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
So yeah, Mike kits On Lamar Jackson as the top quarterback.
Josh Allen also a great game. I know you had
Jayden Daniels high, but yeah, what can you do with
the injury? Yeah, something that you can't for Diggs.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, Baker as a top five. So I'll take a
little victory.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
There for sure. Absolutely, Saquan was on your list in
the top five, sitting there at number two. He was great.
Derrick Henry did his damage BJI even though the loss,
very effective. Kyrien Williams was your number one guy, very
very strong, top five in the running backs hot plays,
he had Geno Smith as a as a top play
and man, I'm sorry this is me as a Seahawks fan,
(37:14):
but when they can block in like they can move
like they can, they just they just gotta protect Gino Smith.
That's all you gotta do. And Mike Girell or rookie
tackle playing right tackle for the first time. Maybe they've
actually figured that out. But yeah, Geno as a hot plays.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Look at that excitement. We got an RB two showing
from Tyler Goodson, So we'll take the victory there. Tank
Bigsby finished eighth in PPR leagues, so a little bit
of a win there. What else Drake May. I mean, look,
the play calling was really good out of the gate. Yeah,
and then I was confused. Right, You had the Jaguars
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giving you the same effort they did against the Bears
for a couple of series and then you let them
off the hook with some bad play calling and let's
call the first first down dive play. No, their secondary
stinks throw the ball. But yeah, as always some other disasters,
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like the Breise Hall play against Pittsburgh. He was obviously
dominant and Pickens on the other side called out for
the effort. Thanks. Yeah, you know, hey, anybody that I
call out for effort usually goes off big. So I'm
gonna have the list of guys that if you want
to send the grievances, I'll air him in, you know,
(38:34):
like like you're buying indulgences back in the day. Look
it up, you all took history. That's the way to
get to heaven or fantasy heaven by buying off me C. J.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Stroud and Patrick Mahomes or two of your cold sores.
And boy did they live up to the billings. So
you do deserve credit on that one. Stroud just ten
of twenty one for eighty six yards. And then lost
to Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, just five point three points. Finished as the twenty
ninth quarterback. He was behind Jake Hayner.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Ouch h. That's never good.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I just you know, I just thought i'd give it
the specificity.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Twenty ninth was bad enough when there's two teams on
buy okay, and then when you're throwing Jake.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Hayner still more than Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Well there you go. That's what so what you got.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
And the other guys that left with injury.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, where did Mahomes end up?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Mahomes finished nineteenth, okay, all right, tied for eighteenth with
bo Nicks. All right at fourteen point one.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
When you pretend to go out of bounds and then
keep running, dude, that was add to your you can
add to your total.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
The number of people are like, look at the magic
and Patrick Mahomes like, yeah, because every guy knows he's
going to get a flag and he's going to get
a pink envelope taking twenty thousand dollars or more from
this pocket.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I agree with that, but I will also say that
there have been a bunch of people who called out
the BS as well. So the people were very vocal
that's what happened when it's the the marquee game in
the late window. There are only two other games going
on at the time, so it was pretty much across
the country. Happens when you have a Super Bowl rematch.
But I do think people were calling out at how
that was also be I hope.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
So, because I'll tell you that's one of those and
we see it a bunch right to where it bops
its head in, and like, all right, just blow the
guy up, take the fifteen yards. Maybe he won't do
it again.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
It's it's just such a such a bad, bad look.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
But hey, look at this guy quit on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Well, the Chiefs got to a Super Bowl from a
call like that against the Bengals. Remember the yep, the
late hit out of bounds gives them fifteen yards, And
it probably was. But that's what everybody's thinking. So all right,
there's our report card time now, Mike, do we need
to pick up heading into week eight? Thursday night, it's
Vikings Rams for those keeping track.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Well, we get into our long play and to the
window for practices open. He got caught in about sixty
sixty five percent of leagues. So the opportunity there as
ugly as it was in time, like one of the
interceptions his fault, pretty good play by they buy on
the first one, and then the second one bounces off
Garrett Wilson. They all couch us to say him, but
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Aaron Rodgers and that offense. I still have hope for
better days, better days. And you got the Patriots this week,
and Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars offense look competent. So
I gotta think better day is for you, Ian Roddy,
and you're in New York football Jets. Herbert threw for
three forty nine. I don't know how many times he's
going to see the end zone, but at this point
(41:37):
he's been jettison too the waiver wires, so if nothing
else yet, and you know, you have a functional quarterback
that you know, break glass in case of emergency kind
of thing. And then I love me some Drake may
Jets defense. I think I'll have a better day than
they did this last week. And then I'd be remiss
if I didn't at least say, all right, Russell Wilson,
(41:59):
you got the giant, Yeah, go out and get it.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I Yeah, imagine being down thirteen and having Russell Wilson
on Monday Night football to watch that is a roller
coaster ride.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Well, there's no question about it. That'll be fun. We'll
see who lines up opposite him right for the Giants
as we go forward running back position, Ray Davis, you know,
insurance plus a few touches. We talked about Tyler Goodson
eight plus touches three straight weeks. I think he still
has a part in this offense, even with Taylor expected
(42:36):
back Justice Hill with Baltimore. I know Derrick Henry's the wizard,
but you're talking about Hill as a receiver out of
the backfield, seeing four to six targets a week. Some
opportunity duff run through there. People got mad about Pittsburgh
and their offense. Jalen Warren's healthy, He's going to have
a share there with Nase Harris going forward. So opportunity
(42:59):
knocks there. And then we got to figure out what's
going on with Tampa and now with the wide receiver
position with both Evans and Chris Godwin not going to
be around, so you know what they do and whether
that means more of using Tucker as a wide out
question mark, you know, or do they go into the marketplace,
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but for the receivers that are out there for now,
you're looking at Juwan Jennings coming back with the all
the injuries and issues going on in San Francisco, Ayuk's
injury debo with pneumonia and kittles banged up, so an
opportunity for him to step right back into a big role,
as with Ricky Pearsol played his first game back. Kean Coleman,
(43:44):
a guy folks have stayed away from in Buffalo, and
I get it. The targets behind Shakir and now Amari
Cooper with Dalt looking Kaid might be fewer, but quality
will be there, so as a three might get a shot.
Franklin as up sixteen targets for Denver. Quality is a question,
but he's basically on owned, so an opportunity there. And
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then we go back just to look at and we'll
do a deeper dive in the Wednesday episode. But you know,
while we're at it, you know, you start looking at
what's going on with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Sterling Shepherd
is the leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
There you are your waiver wire pickups four week eight
and if you have noticed something we did not tease
any teams on buys because there are no buys in
week eight. So when your team is handcuffed and possibly
your regular season finale because there are six teams on
buy in week fourteen, remember this week and remember how
stupid the NFL was to not give teams a buy
(44:44):
in week eight. There's no again. This will added this
to the chapter on NFL scheduling, mic, I have no reason.
Last week only two teams on by your Bears and
the Cowboys. Now you go into week eight, nobody's on buy,
but week fourteen when half those teams are going to
be out of the playoff hunt. Anyway, Hey, you guys,
take the week off. Don't worry about working this week.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
You know me, I abhore the early buys. I know
it should be all mid season, whether it's by division
or whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
I hate the late buys more than I hate the Earth. No,
I agrees, Yeah, because now there are gonna be teams
that aren't in the running. We're at week eight. We
are in the middle, Like this is smack dab when
you should be loading up on your bye weeks. Instead,
the NFL is like you know what, on week fourteen
in early December. And by the way, it's not December
(45:38):
one and two. We're talking about like December nine and ten.
Like that's like where we are. Eight December eighth is
a Sunday. You have six teams on buy that week, Denver,
the Colts, Patriots, Commander's, Baltimore, and Houston. Now we think
the Commanders, Ravens, and Houston are all going to be
playoff teams. Denver's playing good right now, but their season
could be over. New England's season is done already, and
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they're gonna have a buy in week fourteen.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Colts.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Who knows what's gonna happen, but just doesn't make a
lot of sense. Don't don't understand it at all. You
could have given a couple of those teams by.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I don't think teams need buys in week five, correct,
and most of them don't need them after week ten
or eleven. Yeah right, I mean, I think we can
shrink this down.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
I agree wholeheartedly, but that will be for another day.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
So until we're in charge, Dan, till we get that
billion dollar app built, I'll be a buyre a weigh in.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
I will be waiting NFL. We'll put a bow on
this one. Ian, great job on the streaming defenses. Better
luck to your Jets. In week eight, Mike bears back
in action. Maybe the game of the week against the.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Commanders highly anticipated. Yeah, the only problem is the guy
on the other side might not be available. Maybe a
Marcus Mariota game.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, something we'll dive into on our podcast, dropping it
tomorrow as well. So for Mike, Carman, Andy and Roddy,
I'm Dan Byer. We appreciate you always this thing. You
can't wait to talk to you next time. Right here,
and I want your flex.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Week seven of the books give us a Monday night
doubleheader which we dive into, plus some of the fallout
from the new Faces in New Places. Get Mike at Swollendome.
You can find me at Dan Byer on Box. Ian
Roddy as our executive producer, you can find him at
Ian Roddy Underscore. And it's funny, Mike, because Ian and
I were talking just prior to the podcast as your
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step out of the studio, and Ian said to me
one good game on Monday Night and one bad one.
And I didn't know which one he was talking about,
because I think he could make a case for both
of them in both of those scenarios. But that's what
we got in week seven's doubleheader.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
No, and that's it, right, It was a blowout until
it wasn't. When we were talking about the Ravens and
the Buccaneers, Buccaneers being plucky in the comeback effort in
the fourth quarter. And we'll get into the particulars in
a second. But the other game, Look, if it's close late,
that constitutes a good game, right, or at least that's
(01:33):
what I'm told, even if it's like watching paint dry.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
For I'm gonna need to clarify because I still am
not sure exactly what we were I want to hunt sutt.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I won one hundred percent. Was talking about the Ravens game,
just the high scoring points, So that was what you were.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Just excited about the over Okay.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Sure, I don't. I don't know. So the low points
didn't do it for me in the other one.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So the Ravens Buccaneers game was your good one for
Monday night.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, I mean, let's not call it one of the
games of the year or anything.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
No, no, but at least it had some fantasy.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Relevent not a fan of Dicker the Kicker, Huh.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I'm not a fan of those skyboxes they tried to
put into the end zone. If you've seen that. I
think we got a few looks at it because of
the field goals. But Arizona that open end where they
wheel in the field, They've really not been able to
do anything with it, and so it's just that open
ended part of the field. And they put like these skyboxes,
these club seats, but they're not big at all, so
(02:28):
it doesn't take up any room. Just so weird.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
And their uniforms sucked.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Didn't like the black one.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't like the black ones. It doesn't pop for me. Sure,
you got so many other color combinations that work, and
I get it. Black uniform it's it's an easy sell
because everybody will wear a black T shirt, black jersey, yes, right,
it's you know, fits into any wardrobe nice and easily.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I'm not as offended as much by the Cardinals as
I am, say when Ian's Jets wear them. You didn't
like those, No, I didn't like them.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
I mean they're not even in the wardrobe anymore. That Yeah,
they changed to the throwbacks, but actually that was one
of the few that I liked, was the all blacks,
all whites.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I didn't like the green ones when they had those.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not a fan with the overuse
of black Eagles. One is awful. So they're the ones
that they wore in Brazil are just atrocious. But anyway,
I digress. At least the Chargers looked good.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They look good. A lot of powdered blue in the
crowd too, Yes, yeah, and then well, I mean look
justin Herbert throws for three forty nine the Jalen riger
right off the jump. One of the controversial plays in
that game was he out of bounds before the fumble?
Was the other guy out of bounds before you recover?
Like all of that to say, there was your opportunity otherwise, Uh,
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they've actually they've got no closers right now. You know,
we've been talking a lot about Baseball get ready for
the World Series. They've got no closer in the red zone,
no closer to finish out drives, And right now it's
coming back to buying them. As much as that defense,
I joke that they're basically pitch West.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Listen, I'm you know, I'm not a huge Harball fan,
but I'm at least giving him a break in terms
of how they're reshaping this organization. I think your skill
people and everybody that you have on the outside, both
at the running back position, because let's face it, you know,
it's not like JK. Dobbins was a sure bet.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
No reclamation project that he took from his brother. Ye, Hey,
are these guys good? Yeah, yeah, they're gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
The Gus Bus you know, even though he's dinged up
as well, he's on the ir Now, yeah, we knew what,
we knew what they were kind of bringing in, and
they just didn't. They didn't have much on the on
the outside, even with drafting Quinton Johnston you know, in
the first round and yeah, now he's not available. So
it's just uh yeah, it's it's a tough goal for
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the Chargers at the skill positions.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, it's just tough when you've got a defense that's
that good and flying around and getting you off the field.
You got a kickers all worldwide. Fifty nine was the
first one. So we're talking about, you know, the super
toe phenomenon continues and that offensively you can't close out
possessions and you know, field goals are gonna lead you
(05:13):
to bad space. I mean, Justin Herbert is unplayable right now.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, I had to plan this week because of just
Justin fields got benched, and it's.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, injuries and buys. Yeah, he'll find his way there,
but I find it hard pressed that I'll ever rank
him in the top twelve. Yeah, as it stands right now.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think they're the opposite as a team almost of
last year, where last year they had names and flashy stuff,
but it wasn't translating into production and their defense really
wasn't good, and now it's just a complete one eighty.
I still like them as a team. I just know
it is kind of fantasy wasteland. You're right about that, Like,
there's there's no point if we're on a fantasy podcast
and talking about them fantasy wise, there's no point to them.
(05:58):
I still think I think they're gonna still the playoffs.
I know Monday Night wasn't great for them, but Fantasy
Wasteland with the Chargers Cardinals are interesting. There is just
still something off with Kyler Murray and Marvin Harrison Junior.
You can never question James Connor. He is fricking amazing. Yeah,
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maybe amazing is not a strong word, but I think
when you watch James Connor, you just have this appreciation
of who he is and what he does, so you know,
that's unique on the Arizona side of things. I just
I'm curious about them, Mike, because we saw them get
blown out by Green Bay, but that was two weeks
after They're crazy comeback against the forty nine ers, and
(06:40):
really it's kind of been on Kyler's legs like that's been.
You know, you had the run against the nine Ers,
you had the run on Monday Night against the Chargers,
But not everybody is feeding like you kind of thought
they would in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
This year, Ellen McBride was limited and you expect I
didn't expect a massive game given the opponent, but I
think he finished with what five points for the night?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, which five on fifty one.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, So you know, PPR leagues get you, get you
a little bit of juice, but overall, you know, not
the impact that you're anticipating him giving you for the week.
In PPR leagues, you know that that will get you
a solid effort, but not to you know, the the
heights that we we'd anticipated coming into the year. Harrison
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Junior coming back off the concussion, You're you're hoping, if
nothing else, you're gonna pile up some receptions and then
Wilson you know, has popped up once or twice on
the year, but there's just no level of consistency. It
still begins and ends with Connor's play and the fact
that he can be so elusive in the open field
despite being the smash mouth guy in between the tackles
(07:50):
is really uh, it's a lost art, Dan. I mean,
we've got very few guys that we get to watch
do those kind of things, but everything else hinges on
for fantasy purposes. Kind of Murray getting the wheels going,
which he did early and that he did again late
to put you to the promised Land.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
We transition from the good game to the bad game,
or the bad game to the good game, depending on
what you like. In the Ravens take care of the
Buccaneers seventy two points overall scored in the game. The
Ravens obviously jump out to the huge lead. Buccaneers try
to make a comeback late, but it comes at an
enormous price because Chris Godwin with a dislocated ankle, Mike
(08:30):
Evans hurt earlier in the game, Buccaneers are banged up.
Not only do they take the loss, but now you've
lost two enormous pieces to that offense.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, you start looking around, going all right, where are
you going to find some help? Because the Evans thing
without a diagnosis and update, as we record late Monday,
sounds like it's going to be a week to week
proposition that there's no Hey, a couple of days of
treatment's going to get him back and ready to go.
So this does he get relegated to in a red
(09:00):
zone specialist? You know down the road, right? Is that
where we're headed? And for Godwin, you know, he just
would Everybody was doing the lip reading as he was
carted off the field, basically just saying back to work, right,
he's depending free agent. Dislocated ankle was the initial discussion
to it all. And so now you lose a guy
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who look I owned him in pretty much every fantasy
league I'm in. So it's and you could feel it, right,
the yak and explosive plays and all of that. Now
it goes to Sterling Shepherd, Jalen McMillan and a little
bit of Trey Palmer, and I got to imagine they're
looking around and saying, all right, a couple of the
big chips are already falling off the board in terms
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of receiving. We're gonna need more than what we can
get out of the Rashad White, Bucky Irving, Sean Tucker
trios receivers out of the backfield. So you know, Tampa
Bay becomes one of those potential buyers in the next
week and a half trying to figure out where there's
depth at wide receiver with two big chips already off
in Adams and Cooper.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
There's two ways you can look at this. With the Buccaneers.
You can say, well, the Saints and Panthers really don't
seem to be competitive in this division, so we just
have to beat the Falcons. But that is also then
the reason where you're like, Okay, we need to just
go out and get somebody, because all we have to
do is beat the Falcons. You just can't. You can't
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be in shorthanded. I mean, it's one thing to lose
one guy. To lose your top two guys, I don't
know how they're going to be able to change, but
I still think Tampa it's gonna be Tampa or Atlanta
in that division. And Atlanta didn't show anything in Week
seven and they're lost to Seattle, and I just don't
think the Saints are going anywhere in the Spencer Rattler era,
and the Panthers are the Panthers. So it's such an
(10:49):
interesting spot for the Buccaneers to be in because who
thinks to lose your top two guys. By the way,
do you think Godwin should have been playing at that point? Yeah,
you think so. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
We talked about it a little bit on the actually
quite a bit, just kind of going back because the
anger in vitriol started is like we've seen the Ravens
collapse in prior games. Now if they'd shut them down
after three quarters where they're still getting housed, Okay, minute
thirty four, they're moving the ball. Well, one explosive play
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we've seen the Ravens. They splashed it up on the broadcast.
There have been three on side kick attempts against them
this year. Two have been successful, including one earlier in
the game. Like, you made it a game, so finish
it out and it's just an unfortunate thing. It was
funny because Troy Aikman on the play prior was talking
(11:42):
about how in those circumstances Jimmy Johnson would just release
the hounds and blitz the hell out of the quarterback.
Just saying all right, you want it, you got it,
and you saw Baker Mayfield under durest the play before
Godwin got hurt. I think it's just, you know, an
unfortunate circumstance ants and in a ten point game in
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the final couple minutes, I'd still be playing it out
like if you were gonna throw the flag and say
live to see another day, that would have been when
it was thirty four to ten.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, I and I think fantasy wise too, were like
good garbage garbage time. And I'm not trying to light
of an injury, but we're looking at it saying like,
oh yeah, great, you know here's good. And for those
who had Godwin Evans was hurt. So I guess who's
gonna get those targets, right, It's gonna be Chris Godwin,
That's who you're looking for. But yeah, I agree with that.
(12:36):
The question that I just have, like in terms of
the comeback aspect, because you you brought that up with
the Ravens. When are team's gonna decide all right, it's
it's not gonna be our night. It's kind of like
you when you leave the pitcher in Mike because you
don't want to waste your bullpen.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Sure, or in the NBA, where we've seen plenty of
teams just say it's a seven game series. We're getting
beaten out the gate. We're done.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, we have a back to back, we played them.
Guess what, you know, we're down fourteen in the third quarter.
We'll just mail this and we'll come back tomorrow night
and figure that out. I just wonder if that would
ever happen in the National Football League, if you get
to that point, which would be awful for the league,
if you're sitting there punting on games in the third quarter,
but when you're down forty one to eighteen, like the
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Buccaneers were at one point, would give you maybe pause
to be like, okay, that's maybe time for us to
maybe just hang this one up. They didn't scored a
couple of times and then now lost your other top
wide receiver. Just thinks for them Ravens wise, My goodness.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
The feast, I mean Rashaan Bateman, former first round pick.
He's running free in the secondary and giving you a
little bit of hope that that becomes a more consistent
opportunity going forward. So you got to be excited there.
The tight end. Okay, not Isaiah likely, he didn't give
you anything, but you know you're looking at an opportunity
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from Mark Andrews. A couple of weeks ago, we joked
about it when Harball had to go out of his
way to say, hey, a lot of pancake blocks out
there for Marcan. I don't care about his pancake blocks,
damn it. I need him to catch passes. Well, he
gave you a couple of scores today, And I mean,
Jackson was just fantastic, except for the dopey thing where
he tried to hesitate and let go of the ball
(14:23):
that ended up becoming a fumble and a turnover, which
opened the door for the Tampa Bay potential comeback effort. Anyway,
he was magnificent putting the ball down the field.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
They just man, I mean, it's snowballs. And even like
in the first half, I don't know if it was
Joe Bocker Troygan. Then I was saying, you gotta get
Derrick Henry going. Then there's the eighty one yard run. Yeah, man,
you know.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well he had four carries at halftime. It's like, is
he hurt? Is he sick?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Did he did he piss? Off hardball that he sat
him down. Did he curse out Todd Munkin? I mean
what happened? And that he's sprinting down this and that's that.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
They have this weird thing where they played to the
level of their competition. In a way, it's a good thing,
like you know, this is a primetime game on the road,
and then they show up as a primetime team. But
then they to your point about the comebacks earlier or
them not being able to hold their leads, they blow
that game against the Raiders like they did. It's it's
(15:23):
funny sometimes with Baltimore, but they are they like Lamar Jackson.
I feel like I've played in the games where he's
had five touchdown passes? Did it last year in the
Fantasy Championship game? I played against them in a league
this week. But there aren't a lot of five touchdown
pass guys in the National Football League. We think, like, okay,
it could have happen with every thirty you know, thirty
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two teams. We've talked about Mahomes. Mahomes is no longer
a five touchdown game guy.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
He's a five touchdown in a month guy.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Herbert could have been maybe on that list last year.
He's not on that list anymore. There are just only
so many people that can give you that five touchdown
game and the way that they play and the way
that the momentum ends up rolling. Josh Allen is a
five touchdown guy like that happens, but we've seen stinkers
from him before. But when the Ravens get rolling like
they get rolling, and say, Flowers didn't do really anything,
(16:14):
you know, he had one catch, ended up having some
rushing yards as well, but.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Even got in the way of a football at one
point on a snap.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
So there, there's there's there's the full there's the full
Monty for you for uh for Zay Flowers. It's funny
because there are certain plays that I didn't see in
the game because of the broadcast setup, which again I'm
not a fan of this Monday night thing, and we are.
We were lucky in southern California where the Chargers were
on the local channel right where they were able to play,
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But I believe the rest of the country had to
have it on ESPN Plus to be able to get
the game. And it's just not I get it, like
I understand, like the Sunday afternoon you're only seeing like
the certain game that's on your TV. But there is
something special and something you about Monday Night on Sundays.
I don't feel like I'm missing something or something's being
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kept from me. I would have that feeling. I had
that feeling, and I had access to both games because
I've got I got one TV in my living room.
So what am I trying to, you know, fight back
and forth between that and working out wombats and in
the whole deal. But I just I'm not I'm not
loving this. And I don't know if tonight was a great,
(17:26):
great case for Monday Night was a great case for
this for the National Football League, I just don't. I
don't think it's great for the viewer, and I don't
think that the viewer's best intentions are being taken into account.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
No, And that's that's where it gets into like there's
a lot of consternation over how Fox handled the league
championship series right to take a broader, you know approach
going to baseball for a second, where you had FS
one involved versus Big Fox, Right, so the battle of
the mass singer and and things have that nature. So yeah,
(18:01):
it's the decision making some of them feel like they're
test balloons, others feel like maybe a longer play, and
ultimately the viewer has to decide is this game worth
eleven dollars? To me, you may not watch anything else. Now.
For ESPN Plus, we watch a lot of college soccer,
(18:22):
my daughter and I, so I get my eleven bucks worth.
But for other folks, I understand where they wouldn't. I'm
also in LA so I didn't you know? I loaded
it at one point and then it's like, oh wait,
it's on the local channel, which I didn't know because
all week it was grained in my head ESPN Plus,
ESPN Plus, so just fully anticipating that until it's like, no, no, no,
it's on local. So you're all good. But I agree
(18:43):
with you. It's, you know, we're at that that weird
part in the evolution of the game in terms of
global globalization, monetization, the fragmentation of all these different streaming services,
of trying to figure out where the best formula is there.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I understand Amazon saying, hey, we're gonna have this Black
Friday game, and obviously Amazon has their Thursday Night package.
Now I understand Netflix saying we're gonna have these games
on Christmas. By the way, there's two games that are
gonna be back to back. It's not like they're overlapping
and they're both gonna be on the same provider. I
get it. I will sign up for that to see
those games, sort of have those games not a big deal.
(19:23):
This is different when there's another game going on. I'm like, well,
why would I sign up for the other one if
I'm only seeing half of it? Anyway, Like, it didn't
even it wasn't even a bang for my buck sort
of thing. Mike like, if I'm like, want to watch football,
I'll just watch the Ravens and Buccaneers and watch the
score up in the.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And then they'll cut in when they need to with them.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah. Yeah, it didn't even seem like it was a
way to tenth the viewer into anything.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
By the way, you only had what two highlights in
the all right, maybe three? I guess the Connor thirty
three yard run to say, all right, this is this
is it to say up the winning field goal? Otherwise
I mean, are you doing a super cut of dicker
Field goals?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Probably? No, No, absolutely no.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
You're going to show the reader play. You're going to
show the Kyler Murray run.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, and I heard the Manning cast was mad as
well because they weren't getting the Chargers Cardinals as much
as they would have hoped. I just think it's a
bad I don't think that the viewer was serviced in
this scenario by having the second game the ESPN Plus game.
I just don't think that many people were like, I
need to sign up for that to watch the second
(20:31):
half of Cardinals Chargers, And if you saw what the
score was at halftime, there was no way that you
were signing up for it. I think you were just like,
you know what, I'm good for the night. That just
doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Yeah, the
other games were ESPN and and ESPN broadcast on each
of those. But all right, anyway, I've gone on long
(20:51):
enough on my dislike of how it was set up.
I don't mind them doubleheader as much, but don't put
one on a pay subscription. All right. He's Mike Carmen,
I'm dan By. You heard Ian Roddy will continue with
some of the fallout from the action on Sunday. In
the National Football League. Davonte Adams a new gig with
the new York Jets, Russell Wilson starring with the Pittsburgh Steelers,
(21:13):
plus what do the forty nine Ers do now without
Brandon Ayuk for the rest of the season. We'll talk
about those topics next year. And I want your flex now.
If Monday Night didn't entertain you, I'm not sure Sunday
and night did either. It was the Jets up early
and then it was the Pittsburgh Steelers rolling the rest
of the way. He is Mike Harman, and I'm Dan Pyre,
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our Jets fan on staff as Ian Roddy, and I
know Ian probably didn't love to see his Jets get
steamrolled on Sunday and they were getting steamrolled by a
new quarterback with the Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know if
it was a great night, Mike, for Russell Wilson and Pittsburgh,
but it was a pretty good night. Got off to
a slow start, but did seem to give the Steelers
a little bit more of a passing game than what
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Justin Fields did. I don't know if the jets in
capabilities played into all of this, but how did you
take the Sunday n out of fair When we look
at the Jets and Steelers.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
It's funny because early on the returns were I even
put it out, they you know, Russell Wilson, they wanted
him gone. The sea was angry, my friend, using the
old George Costanza and when he was a marine biologist,
go look at But the the idea that was the
you know, got got to get my early nineties sitcom
(22:29):
reference in early. So there it is for the mark
the tape, but just the idea of you know, he
was worm burning a couple of balls, leaving some out
and not really getting the receivers where they needed to be.
Now he was the benefactor. Beneficiary would be the better
word of the fact that George Pickens had a lot
(22:50):
of ill will towards him for lack of effort, getting
called out all over the place, the fact that he
leaked the fact that Russell Wilson was going to be starting.
I'm sure he got on as chewing from Mike Tomlin
after that, especially after Mike tom Wood had said, ah,
you know, we know in house, we'll keep that close
to the vest.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Not at all.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Hey, it's work. Working with Russ is great, you know,
since it's gonna be his first start and all, it's
like yeah, no, probably not the best thing. So he
gave his best effort. And the one thing Russell Wilson does,
and I think they really did the overkill to try
to lather up the love for Russell Wilson was he
puts He puts the ball up in the air like
(23:28):
justin fields, tries to cut through the air and maybe
throw it through defenders at times think that it's gonna
find your hands. Yeah, Russ puts the ball up and
lets you go make a play. And you saw Pickens
making plays for balls downfield. You saw that catch from Friarmouth,
which was about as good a catch and effort as
you're gonna see. So that was the difference to me. Right,
you got the run, game got going, and the fact
(23:50):
that you know on the other side for the Jets
and Ian you could speak to this maybe better than
I do. Uh, you fired the guy that are orchestrated
the defense. The defense looked pedestrian and got run over,
which was the Achilles heel. And then all of a
sudden you can lobby in a couple of deep balls
and stretch it. Never mind the fact that you worked
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on short fields due to some of the inconsistencies to
be kind of the Jets offense.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Jets were a rough look. I don't know if Ian's
just still sulking over it or not. But again, going
to the point that we had last week, when you
fire Robert Salah, everybody else now takes on added work
or work that they weren't accustomed to doing. Now Jeff
(24:39):
Ulbrich has got to be the head coach, not running
the defense. Now. It's how doubting is taking over the
offense instead of just being the passing game coordinator. Nathaniel
Hackett doesn't have any power to do anything. The removal
of Sala as the head coach just did not make
any sense. And now to your point of yeah, you
elevate the defensive coordinator like these are some of the
(25:00):
things that I think that you can see when you
do something like that. Now you throw in DeVante Adams
to the crew. And we know how Aaron Rodgers in
DeVante Adams relationship is. We have been talking about it
since the day Aaron Rodgers heck became a Jet. So
now you have even less accountability with the coaches to
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be able to do something, and you're giving Rogers even
more power it's just it's such a mess. It is
an absolute bunch of gobblygook, if you will, nicely doing
Breece Hall having the night that he did was maybe
the best thing for the Jets. But you're like, we
gave away a third round pick for three catches and
(25:42):
thirty yards and sure some things may have opened up
for Garrett Wilson at some point, but you're two and
five right now, So it's just I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Hey, Adams didn't make a hell of a tackle though.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Touchdown saving tackle after interception.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Ian Are you are you less enthused about your Jets
after that Sunday Night Affairracy? Yeah, I'm a lot.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I'm a lot less enthusied because that was, like, that
was a must win game. They're two and four now,
like the season yeah, worse, worse, worse, Yeah, thanks Dan, Yeah,
two and five, So it's like they have to go.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Pretty much perfect the rest of the way.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
You're you're able to drop a game here or there potentially,
but at this point, like you need to the fact
that you've dropped games against teams like the Broncos, you
now have to win extra ones that you you know,
quote unquote weren't supposed to win in the past, they're
just flat Like the Steelers were a team that they
were supposed to win and they didn't. They got rolled over,
and it felt like after the Rogers interception, it was
(26:43):
like the whole team just gave up. And and that's
I don't know if it's a coaching thing, what Johnson
needs to sell the team is My main takeaway coming
out of it is that he is so reactionary. Like
what you said about the solid thing is spot on, Dan,
It's like he he obviously wasn't a perfect coach or
maybe you know, maybe not even a good coach. But
but in being so reactionary firing him so early on
(27:06):
in the season, you you took the energy out of
the entire locker room. What is there for anyone to
be excited about?
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Sure, well he already took the power away, right, I mean,
Joe Douglas is basically acting at the behest of of
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yes, but but it makes me wonder, like I really
don't know that that Rogers had much of a say
in the Sola firing. Now now that we've kind of
seen all this this play out, Like I really think
that it might have just been the media being like,
you know, Rogers hates Sla he wants him out.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I'll put it this way, if Rogers wanted Sola there,
he'd still be.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
He'd still be there, right, right, right, So he didn't
make a conscious effort to keep him there. But I
also think it's a little overblown that he hated Sala
and wanted to.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
No, no, nobody, nobody's saying it's a hate. It doesn't help.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I actually think.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
People were saying that.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
But but he but the point is he yeah, I
don't know, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, hey, why not it's just a podcast?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
No, But but the reality is, you know, like whatever
his feelings are, because he said, you know, I love
Robert and they could be the best of friends off
the field, but you can still not like how somebody
operates in the place of business.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Definitely.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I mean, how many families are torn asunder when they
try to work together? What are best friends have an
idea for a business and all of a sudden, it's like,
you know what, we probably should just go back to
drinking beers on weekends and hanging out. Right, Yeah, So
same thing here. Philosophically, and where they're at might have
been two very different things.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
I guess my bigger thing is I just feel like
it's pretty clear that he didn't Rogers didn't respect Sola
and and that might have played into it. But I
think it was a little overblown that that he didn't
like him and wanted him fired and stuff. I think
he just like Rogers, just isn't going to respect his
head coach. That's that's who he is. It's just and
I think that is historically the case.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Well again, I didn't read the book, but I listened
to Ian O'Connor's book about Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers,
there is a part of him in the book where
they talk about he puts people on islands, and when
you're on an island, you are persona on grade to him.
We saw it with his parents, he did it with
close friends, He's done it with other people. And so
(29:19):
you know, if you're not on Aaron Rodgers side of things,
or you're not with him, you are likely against him.
And so with the solid thing, again, he may not
have had anything to do with it. In that conversation
on Monday Night with Woody Johnson, But in that conversation,
if Aaron Rodgers would have said, we need to keep
(29:41):
Robert around for this season, he is the one that's
going to get it done, then a change would not
have been.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Made, right, right, But I think there's it's such a
wide spectrum between him telling what he to fire him
and him just not saying anywall.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
But you're saying that, you know the old song, you
say it best when you say nothing at all, like
you can fight for him to stick around.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, but I think it's established he didn't respect him
enough to want to fight for him.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
This is I don't want to. I don't wanna. I
was going to try to make a correlation to the
Menendez brothers, but they would just have been awful. So
I'm not even gonna. I'm not even gonna. Yeh, I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I don't. But I haven't followed these shows, so I don't.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
I haven't either.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
It's been a long time since I've followed the case
of just.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
The case of it, well, like it's just of you know,
there's there's yeah, don't even worry about it. No, No,
the point being, and I think that Ian and Ian
I'm not piling on you. It's not saying this is
that Aaron Rodgers could have saved Robert Sala's job if
he wanted Sala there. But if Woody Johnson says, I'm
(30:52):
thinking about firing Robert, yeah, well you're the owner, what
he I mean, it's your team. You do what you
gotta do, you know that sort of thing, Or if
he didn't in this conversation of not even maybe bringing
up the topic at all, like that doesn't I don't
think Aaron Rodgers wanted his hands dirty. He's already got
one coach fired and Mike McCarthy, as Mike said, you
(31:15):
don't want that one on your hands either. So if
what he Johnson is going to do it, Aaron Rodgers
is not going to stand in his way. If he
wants Robert Sala gone, fine, go right ahead and do it.
So if there was any point where there was going
to be pushed back on a possible change, I just
I and you know what, I also say this, if
Aaron Rodgers didn't want him fired, don't you think Aaron
(31:38):
would have said something since then until now?
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I just think there's a difference between wanting him fired
and being indifferent about it. And I think he was
indifferent about it, Like I don't. I think the way
it's been painted is, or at least up until now,
is that he wanted him fired. But to me, it's
that he just wasn't different about it. So to your point,
if what he did come to him and say, hey,
we're thinking about firing Robert sala I don't think he
(32:01):
cared enough to inference stead.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
That he didn't want him. I think that that's I
don't think that there's three steps of not wanting him,
indifference and not wanting them. It's either you want him
or you don't want it.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Just for you to not want someone, there needs to
be someone who you view as a better option, you
know what I mean, Like like you need there needs
to have been someone that he viewed as a better
option for him to literally want sala out.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I when they fired Mike McCarthy, I don't think that
there was the consideration of, hey, there's a better option.
I don't think that Aaron just wants his way. He's
gam he's the head coach. I just I don't think
he could he could have stopped it. Maybe maybe he's
on board with this boy hacke it. You know, he
(32:47):
with with praising him for how well he's handled the demotion,
but he could have stopped it, just like the way
they they've got DeVante Adams anyway, now.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
They got to figure out how to stop the bleeding. Yes, yes,
that's really what it comes down to. And you know,
Smith and I got we didn't get fiery into it,
but I firmly disagreed with the Garrett Wilson asked to
catch that ball. I don't care if dude got a
finger on it. I was not.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
I was yelling it was he tried to squash and
he actually, which I liked. He owned up to that
after the game. He said, it's a culmination of bad habits.
I need to catch it with my hands. That's what
I said in the moment, Like why are you catching
it with your body? It's a perfect throat and it
bounced off his chest. It's like, if you're one of
the best receivers in the league, like people say you are,
you catch that?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
You catch that ball.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I think there's something there because Garrett Wilson was one
of the better skilled receivers that you had coming into
the draft. Like when you talk about pro receivers and
doing the stuff like that, catching with your hands, that's
what he did. That's it's truly And I've watched the
enough Ohio State football to see the receivers that have
gone through. There was no one better more prepared for
(33:56):
the pros than Michael Thomas. There wasn't. Then Marvin Harrison
Junior came along and he was great. But Garrett Wilson
is up in that conversation with those two guys, and
so there may be there may be something there with
Garrett Wilson right now that's just not right in his head.
And I won't blame that on Aaron Rodgers, but there
may be a mental thing going on in just you know,
a mental block. Sometimes that's just not you know, athletes.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
It happens, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, absolutely all right. We'll take your calls one eight
hundred jets, give us a ring here on I want
your flax. He is Ian Roddy, that's Mike Carmen. I'm
Dan Beyer. We got to take a time out. We
will get to the Brandon Ayuk information and how that
plays out with the forty nine ers. In fact, we're
probably going to do it on our next podcast. So
that's going to be dropping on Wednesday. We'll give the
fallout for that because coming up next, Mike's got your
(34:44):
waiver wire. We know you got to make your claims,
get your fab ready for week eight in the NFL season.
Plus we'll do our report cards, what hit, what missed
in week seven? A lot more to get to and
I promise the solid firing, by the way, is two
weeks ago and we're still talking about how great is that.
We will get the more here and I want your flex.
He's Mike, I'm dan thatt'sy and that's next report card
(35:08):
top for week seven, plus Mike Scott the waiver wire
pickcups that you are going to need with all the
injuries that we saw in week seven. First of all,
my ego has been injured. After I told you that
the points of Palooza was going to be Eagles Giants.
I even said on the podcast guys that I thought
it could be a funky one. Eagles actually kept up
their end of the bargain, Giants did not. Eagles scored
(35:31):
twenty eight in the game. Giants scored a whole three,
so that failed. And then to Mario Douglas, which seemed
to be a theme in Week seven, with people getting sick.
He was not feeling well. Only hauled in two catches
in that game in London against the Jaguars. That was
not a good play and nobody really a good play
for the Patriots and that contest. But I did give
(35:53):
you some survivor winners, Colts and Bills ended up prevailing.
Colts was a little tricky. It was a little tricky
for the Bills for a while. Guys against the Titans,
but Buffalo ended up pulling away big time in the
second half, but ended up working out. Survivor wise, Ian
your streaming defenses, Rams and Jags, how'd they fare?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
They what?
Speaker 5 (36:12):
It was a great week? It was a great week.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Now, let me start by saying I did preface my
defenses by saying, if the Bengals were available in your league,
then you should try and get them. They scored fifteen points,
so if they were there, I hope you got them.
The Rams, which were one of my official picks, they
had seventeen points, so that could have been a league
winner for you. You work, and then the Jaguars had
eleven points. So all three were very very good streaming options.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
So yeah, Mike kits On Lamar Jackson as the top quarterback.
Josh Allen also a great game. I know you had
Jayden Daniels high, but yeah, what can you do with
the injury? Yeah, something that you can't for Diggs.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, Baker as a top five. So I'll take a
little victory.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
There for sure. Absolutely, Saquan was on your list in
the top five, sitting there at number two. He was great.
Derrick Henry did his damage BJI even though the loss,
very effective. Kyrien Williams was your number one guy, very
very strong, top five in the running backs hot plays,
he had Geno Smith as a as a top play
and man, I'm sorry this is me as a Seahawks fan,
(37:14):
but when they can block in like they can move
like they can, they just they just gotta protect Gino Smith.
That's all you gotta do. And Mike Girell or rookie
tackle playing right tackle for the first time. Maybe they've
actually figured that out. But yeah, Geno as a hot plays.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Look at that excitement. We got an RB two showing
from Tyler Goodson, So we'll take the victory there. Tank
Bigsby finished eighth in PPR leagues, so a little bit
of a win there. What else Drake May. I mean, look,
the play calling was really good out of the gate. Yeah,
and then I was confused. Right, You had the Jaguars
(37:52):
giving you the same effort they did against the Bears
for a couple of series and then you let them
off the hook with some bad play calling and let's
call the first first down dive play. No, their secondary
stinks throw the ball. But yeah, as always some other disasters,
(38:13):
like the Breise Hall play against Pittsburgh. He was obviously
dominant and Pickens on the other side called out for
the effort. Thanks. Yeah, you know, hey, anybody that I
call out for effort usually goes off big. So I'm
gonna have the list of guys that if you want
to send the grievances, I'll air him in, you know,
(38:34):
like like you're buying indulgences back in the day. Look
it up, you all took history. That's the way to
get to heaven or fantasy heaven by buying off me C. J.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Stroud and Patrick Mahomes or two of your cold sores.
And boy did they live up to the billings. So
you do deserve credit on that one. Stroud just ten
of twenty one for eighty six yards. And then lost
to Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, just five point three points. Finished as the twenty
ninth quarterback. He was behind Jake Hayner.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Ouch h. That's never good.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I just you know, I just thought i'd give it
the specificity.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Twenty ninth was bad enough when there's two teams on
buy okay, and then when you're throwing Jake.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Hayner still more than Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Well there you go. That's what so what you got.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
And the other guys that left with injury.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, where did Mahomes end up?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Mahomes finished nineteenth, okay, all right, tied for eighteenth with
bo Nicks. All right at fourteen point one.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
When you pretend to go out of bounds and then
keep running, dude, that was add to your you can
add to your total.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
The number of people are like, look at the magic
and Patrick Mahomes like, yeah, because every guy knows he's
going to get a flag and he's going to get
a pink envelope taking twenty thousand dollars or more from
this pocket.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I agree with that, but I will also say that
there have been a bunch of people who called out
the BS as well. So the people were very vocal
that's what happened when it's the the marquee game in
the late window. There are only two other games going
on at the time, so it was pretty much across
the country. Happens when you have a Super Bowl rematch.
But I do think people were calling out at how
that was also be I hope.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
So, because I'll tell you that's one of those and
we see it a bunch right to where it bops
its head in, and like, all right, just blow the
guy up, take the fifteen yards. Maybe he won't do
it again.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
It's it's just such a such a bad, bad look.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
But hey, look at this guy quit on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Well, the Chiefs got to a Super Bowl from a
call like that against the Bengals. Remember the yep, the
late hit out of bounds gives them fifteen yards, And
it probably was. But that's what everybody's thinking. So all right,
there's our report card time now, Mike, do we need
to pick up heading into week eight? Thursday night, it's
Vikings Rams for those keeping track.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Well, we get into our long play and to the
window for practices open. He got caught in about sixty
sixty five percent of leagues. So the opportunity there as
ugly as it was in time, like one of the
interceptions his fault, pretty good play by they buy on
the first one, and then the second one bounces off
Garrett Wilson. They all couch us to say him, but
(41:17):
Aaron Rodgers and that offense. I still have hope for
better days, better days. And you got the Patriots this week,
and Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars offense look competent. So
I gotta think better day is for you, Ian Roddy,
and you're in New York football Jets. Herbert threw for
three forty nine. I don't know how many times he's
going to see the end zone, but at this point
(41:37):
he's been jettison too the waiver wires, so if nothing
else yet, and you know, you have a functional quarterback
that you know, break glass in case of emergency kind
of thing. And then I love me some Drake may
Jets defense. I think I'll have a better day than
they did this last week. And then I'd be remiss
if I didn't at least say, all right, Russell Wilson,
(41:59):
you got the giant, Yeah, go out and get it.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I Yeah, imagine being down thirteen and having Russell Wilson
on Monday Night football to watch that is a roller
coaster ride.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Well, there's no question about it. That'll be fun. We'll
see who lines up opposite him right for the Giants
as we go forward running back position, Ray Davis, you know,
insurance plus a few touches. We talked about Tyler Goodson
eight plus touches three straight weeks. I think he still
has a part in this offense, even with Taylor expected
(42:36):
back Justice Hill with Baltimore. I know Derrick Henry's the wizard,
but you're talking about Hill as a receiver out of
the backfield, seeing four to six targets a week. Some
opportunity duff run through there. People got mad about Pittsburgh
and their offense. Jalen Warren's healthy, He's going to have
a share there with Nase Harris going forward. So opportunity
(42:59):
knocks there. And then we got to figure out what's
going on with Tampa and now with the wide receiver
position with both Evans and Chris Godwin not going to
be around, so you know what they do and whether
that means more of using Tucker as a wide out
question mark, you know, or do they go into the marketplace,
(43:21):
but for the receivers that are out there for now,
you're looking at Juwan Jennings coming back with the all
the injuries and issues going on in San Francisco, Ayuk's
injury debo with pneumonia and kittles banged up, so an
opportunity for him to step right back into a big role,
as with Ricky Pearsol played his first game back. Kean Coleman,
(43:44):
a guy folks have stayed away from in Buffalo, and
I get it. The targets behind Shakir and now Amari
Cooper with Dalt looking Kaid might be fewer, but quality
will be there, so as a three might get a shot.
Franklin as up sixteen targets for Denver. Quality is a question,
but he's basically on owned, so an opportunity there. And
(44:07):
then we go back just to look at and we'll
do a deeper dive in the Wednesday episode. But you know,
while we're at it, you know, you start looking at
what's going on with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Sterling Shepherd
is the leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
There you are your waiver wire pickups four week eight
and if you have noticed something we did not tease
any teams on buys because there are no buys in
week eight. So when your team is handcuffed and possibly
your regular season finale because there are six teams on
buy in week fourteen, remember this week and remember how
stupid the NFL was to not give teams a buy
(44:44):
in week eight. There's no again. This will added this
to the chapter on NFL scheduling, mic, I have no reason.
Last week only two teams on by your Bears and
the Cowboys. Now you go into week eight, nobody's on buy,
but week fourteen when half those teams are going to
be out of the playoff hunt. Anyway, Hey, you guys,
take the week off. Don't worry about working this week.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
You know me, I abhore the early buys. I know
it should be all mid season, whether it's by division
or whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
I hate the late buys more than I hate the Earth. No,
I agrees, Yeah, because now there are gonna be teams
that aren't in the running. We're at week eight. We
are in the middle, Like this is smack dab when
you should be loading up on your bye weeks. Instead,
the NFL is like you know what, on week fourteen
in early December. And by the way, it's not December
(45:38):
one and two. We're talking about like December nine and ten.
Like that's like where we are. Eight December eighth is
a Sunday. You have six teams on buy that week, Denver,
the Colts, Patriots, Commander's, Baltimore, and Houston. Now we think
the Commanders, Ravens, and Houston are all going to be
playoff teams. Denver's playing good right now, but their season
could be over. New England's season is done already, and
(45:59):
they're gonna have a buy in week fourteen.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Colts.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Who knows what's gonna happen, but just doesn't make a
lot of sense. Don't don't understand it at all. You
could have given a couple of those teams by.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I don't think teams need buys in week five, correct,
and most of them don't need them after week ten
or eleven. Yeah right, I mean, I think we can
shrink this down.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
I agree wholeheartedly, but that will be for another day.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
So until we're in charge, Dan, till we get that
billion dollar app built, I'll be a buyre a weigh in.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
I will be waiting NFL. We'll put a bow on
this one. Ian, great job on the streaming defenses. Better
luck to your Jets. In week eight, Mike bears back
in action. Maybe the game of the week against the.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Commanders highly anticipated. Yeah, the only problem is the guy
on the other side might not be available. Maybe a
Marcus Mariota game.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, something we'll dive into on our podcast, dropping it
tomorrow as well. So for Mike, Carman, Andy and Roddy,
I'm Dan Byer. We appreciate you always this thing. You
can't wait to talk to you next time. Right here,
and I want your flex.
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