September 30, 2025 • 47 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Mike Harmon and Dan Beyer open the show with their initial thoughts and reactions to the MNF doubleheader... How does Tyreek Hill's injury affect your fantasy outlook? Are Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins still viable fantasy options at this point with Browning under center? Then they move into the rest of the Week 4, going through the studs and duds from each matchup. Plus, Mike gives you his top waiver wire adds of the week!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Another weekend, another infirmary report from the NFL four weeks
in Mike Goodness, We're never gonna start with the quarterbacks.
Who we're dealing with. He is Mike Carmon hit him
up at Swollen Don. He could find me at Dan
Byer on Fox. Ian Roddy is the executive producer. You
can find him at Ian Roddy Underscore. We're talking about
wide receivers, Mike, and we're talking about big name wide receivers. First,
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it was the Leaf Neighbors on Sunday that on Monday night,
Tyreek Hill goes down with his likely season ending knee injury.
A tough one for w R ones in fantasy football.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah, if you went in early on any of these
and you know, for fantasy purposes, and again not to
dismiss the severity of the injury, but from a fantasy perspective,
you probably didn't have to push too many chips in
to get tyreek Hill on your squad, so you probably
already had him as a two or three to or
maybe some weeks he wasn't even finding your lineup, depending
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on your roster configuration. So that one not necessarily as
damning overall. But when you look at moligue neighbors and
what he was expected to be and how excited he
was to work with, you know, something that wasn't moonball
after Moonball of Russell Wilson with Jackson Dart taking over,
that one was huge. Obviously, the massive target share and
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the expectations that you can build off of what was
a fantastic rookie year with more competent, consistent quarterback play
and the juggernaut running behind Jackson and Darton camp Scatabo.
That that all goes asunder and now it's Darius Slayton again.
Really we've got to go down this path in terms
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of target counts. But yeah, the mash unit across the
NFL through four weeks has just been insane.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
This is the toughest part about specifically with the neighbors injuries,
and if you're in a PPR league, probably took him
a lot higher than maybe you would you know, in
a standard league, but still he's a high pick. It's
fun to have your your top picks be on your team,
Like when you're watching games if you have Sunday ticket,
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your early picks are the games that you're focusing on
if your team isn't playing at that point. And I
find it's so demoralizing. Aside from just your fantasy outlook
at that point, it's also just the fun of it
of like, oh, I don't have my guy. My guy
isn't there, the guy that I was excited to get,
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say late in round one or on the swing pick
in round two. You just take away all of the
other stuff that you have to deal with. Of now
I gotta play from behind. I hope my bench is
strong enough. Blah blah blah. It's just actually watching the game,
and not that Giants games are fun to watch, but
it's having your top pick not be there so demoralizing
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four weeks into the season. It's it's just a kick
and that you know what I hate it when it
happens to people.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, to try to flip it to the other way,
because you know, we're gonna try to be glass half
fulled in of the now. Whoever I had to pick
up off the scrap heap, I'm rooting doubly hard for
him to prove I'm a genius.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Sure, yes, but yes.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Losing your top pick, especially if it's a game that
you generally wouldn't care about otherwise.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I also think it's it. Yeah, it's it's there's guys
who play fantasy just to make trades. Right. We used
to work with a guy at Fox, Jeff Schwartz, Right,
you know, Jeff based out of Chicago. That's all he
wanted to do. I don't think you care of his
team one or loss, but he would always tell us
about all of the trades that he made.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I am the opposite. I am the exact opposite. I
want to see my draft prep come to fruition, develop blossom.
And when I have the this this field of gold,
of all this oats and barley or whatever produce my
corn that is that has finally grown. That's how I
look at my fantasy team. And so when you lose
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your first or second rounder. It's just difficult, no matter.
And if they were on a great team or not
a great team. And Week two you're like, my goodness,
this game against the Giants and Cowboys could not get
any better. Look at my Leaku neighbors. Look what he's doing.
Oh Jackson Dart. Yeah, to your point, maybe they can
develop a rapport and have some momentum coming in the
next year. If you're in a keeper league, oh gosh,
don't even get me start. If you're in a keeper
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league and you have league neighbors, it's just it's it,
just it stinks. I didn't want to start out negative
with it, but I was just I was so bothered
by the Molak Neighbors injury. Not as much as Odell
Beckham Junior, but there's so many domino effects that that
fall when you have a young guy, an exciting guy,
now you don't have them the.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Rest well, that build right off of what was a
fantastic year, and we knew they were going to make
the switch to Jackson Dart eventually, and then it happens.
It's like, all right, here we are, let's let's start.
This is zero hour and what are we going to
get and we were robbed of it. So as football
fans will robbed Ian, you also need to find some
some you know, copyright free music because that was damn
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poetic of what Dan just did there. So I don't know,
like some sweeping.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Sweeping, you know, but that's what I was thinking of.
And I think that's why Barley may have come in
the mind.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
That was good though.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Either that or you're you're thinking of going into brewing
because you're watching some of the shows that are now
showing up on Netflix. But it's it was just tough,
like and being on air watching as Tyreek Hill goes down.
Ian were working in the back, you know, Jason Smith
and I on air, and and Ian was working with
us on on sound, and and it was like, there's
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the scene in Star Wars where they blow up the
planet spoiler alert, and the line is I heard a
million voices cry out at once, and all just as
quickly all were silenced. That's kind of the thing that
happens when you have a big injury, even if in
this case it was an opponent of Ean being a
jet fan, but it's that same kind of scenario, like,
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all right, there's a big chip and a big star
off the board, and the game's the worse for it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I told the and I lost my
fantasy game in my long term league because Tyreek Hill
made the catch on the injury. Oh, if he drops
the ball on the injury or something happens, I win
by like two tenths of a point. It would have
in a really crappy way for me to win a game.
But he caught it and suffered the injury. So I
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took the l on the I'd flipped over to the
other game. I didn't have two TVs going. I had
flipped over to the other one, and I flipped back,
and all of a sudden, I see Tyreek Hill on
a cart and I'm like, oh my goodness, what happened?
And yeah, so just an awful site for Miami. A
tough one for the Giants. But we move on. Let's
move on to the other injuries that we saw in
Week four. Lamar not with a hamstring injury. Like if
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it's gone from bad to worse, it just has.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
In Baltimore, Cooper Rush the next man up on the
depth chart.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Now, we've been talking a lot about teams going out
and finding another quarterback right in Cincinnati with Jake Browning.
We watched it on Monday night. It's a disaster. Now
Denver's defense is good, but I want to know what
happened to that guy in twenty twenty three who just
wing the ball around and didn't care because he looks
absolutely lost. So we're already we're ticking off different spots
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where it's like, all right, who's going to go trade
for a quarterback? Now you're looking at Baltimore like, well,
you still need a bunch of defenders. That's a whole
other mess. But from an offensive perspective, Lamar, when you
already got it diminished and compromised, whatever the hell's wrong
with Derrick Henry.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, this is disastrous.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Three start and then for fantasy purposes, Lamar still had
a sizeable game, but still a damning one going forward
because again owing to draft status, right, he was a
guy that back in first or second because of the
rushing efforts, might have might have been an early pick.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Here's here's the other thing with Lamar. And I don't
know if you guys have had to deal with any
of this, but because of the amount of quarterbacks that
have gone down the waiver wire isn't as as plenty
sure in previous times because there were a lot of
names out there and names that were serviceable. But now
you get to the point where Purdy's hurt again, we
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don't know if he's going to play on Thursday, don't
know Jayden Daniel's status. Hopefully it's better for Commanders fans
coming up now you're entering bye weeks. You got four
teams coming up in week five that are that are
on buy like it's it's a tough one and we
talked just to talk about the domino effect of the
Ravens let alone. Now make making sure that you have
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a suitable backup and if you didn't have one on
your roster, I think you're going to be in in
a little bit of a bind because of all of
the injuries that we've we've seen and guys that may
not be on a roster anymore. I have a league
where IVE got four quarterbacks on my team right now
because I just have no idea on what's going to have.
One of them's Joe Burrow, he's on IR but I
just I didn't want to get caught by having to
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play Spencer Ratler at a game.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, you play some defense, but yeah, you look at
some of the depth issues that come up to where
I'm looking at in a Yahoo league, you know, one
of the the auto pick kind of things, but a
lot of it for research because you've got critical mass
of percentages. Man, you got Tua that you can can
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go and find for the coming week against Carolina. Okay,
that's the spot. He's available in a bunch of leagues.
So maybe you got that CJ. Stroud if you want
to go on that bandwagons. He's playing Baltimore, so you
actually have the advantage for this week. But are you
trusting that that offense clicks.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Uh, we'll talk about the rookie running backs coming out
to play a little bit later, but beyond that, I
think those are really the only two guys that are
serviceable that I see available in a wide number of
leagues where it's not just based on your league settings
that they be available. Everything else is in you know,
guys that are pretty heavily rostered. And to your point,
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you're carrying three or four if nothing else, to play
defense against your opposition.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, I carried multiple because I lost Burrow and I
picked up Daniel Jones in fields was my backup if
he had the concussion. So I picked up Jones at
the time. And in my ten team league, even in
the ten team league, Mike, there are guys that I
wouldn't that I'm just like looking into, like, okay, it
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doesn't go as deep as you thought, Like I'm I
don't you can play Trevor Lawrence, you know, like go
ahead and play Trevor Lawrence. But like even like after
that point, I'm like, okay, do I got to pick
up cam Ward here? Like like that's where where we're
getting down to. Is it really Sam Donald? Am I
gonna try it out Sam Donald? Who I don't think
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he's gonna throw for three hundred yards this season? Like
those are the options right now that are slim pickens
because of some of these quarterback injuries. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
The only other guy that's still kind of hanging out
in a lot of leagues because of the wait and
see we mentioned him off the jump with is Matthew
Stafford still still available in a bunch of these leagues.
But again, you know, it's it's all tailored to you know,
league mates and league thinking. If you're in a private league.
Then you kind of know how the rest of your
league mates think. If it's a long standing right, you've
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got a long standing one, Dan, And you know, I've
played in leagues with the same group of folks around
the fantasy world for a while, so I kind of
know the flow. Everybody's just gonna stash the viable options.
So you're left with Trevor Lawrence. He's home against Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
There you go, good luck.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Good good luck against the defense that's surging in an
offense that's starting to get right.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, maybe somebody will drop Gino Smith this week and
you can pick him up. Isn't already available. I will
make one note before we take a time out. I
did look on another league, the half point PPR league
that I'm in, just to see what quarterbacks are available,
and Pennix is there after his strong week. You know,
I like Pennix, but Aaron Rodgers, cam Ward and then
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I scrolled down a little and it was Jake Browning,
Russell William or Russell Wilson, Shador Sanders somehow like got
pushed up in this ranking. He's above Spencer Rattler and
Joe Flacco in whatever order this is on this ESPN side,
he's ahead of Mac Jones, like higher in the rankings.
I have no idea. It's not like he's been picked up.
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We dropped percentage on him as actually negative point two,
but somehow he has floated. He's above Kirk Cousins, he's
above Dylan Gabriel. But Shador Sanders is sitting there in
that quarterback.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Is it because he's mentioned in a bunch of Twitter
feeds or some craft No idea, but like you mentioned
a couple of those guys that are on that list.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Unfortunately both Pennix and Rogers are off this week. Yeah, right,
as well as Chicago and Green Bay. But there's two
potentially viable options that go off the port for this week.
Desperate straits man.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, yeah, it is. It is tough times. We are
getting into that stretch of buys in week five, but
we got to look back at week four and what
stood out for us some highs and lows and stuff
in between. Plus coming up a little later on the podcast,
we'll see how Ian streaming defenses did. Mike gives his
report card and I'll tell you if the Points of
Palosa hit or not. That's all coming up next here,
and I want your flex.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
All right.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Week four is in the books where we had our
first tie of the year. Yeah, he's playing up to
that forty point effort. My penix prediction hasn't necessarily hit
so far, but I did like Dak in the preseason,
and Dak and the Cowboy have lived up to the
hype that I thought they would have. The defense has
also lived up to the hype that I thought they
would have, and not in a good way. So that
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has allowed Dak to have the type of start to
the season that he's had, but another three hundred yard game,
three touchdowns, and doing so without Seedee Lamb his favorite
target seemed to really become familiar with George Pickens, but
Dak Prescott and that forty to forty tie really stood
out to me on Sunday night.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah, number one for fantasy quarterbacks Week four. That's one
of my massive l's blinking on my forehead of the
I did not know what to expect, that thought thing.
Green Bay Packers defense was supposed to be good. That's
what they told me. So what they told me. Hey,
they got that pass rusher, So I feel Jerry Jones
really got vindicated.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
This week.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Like see see they're no good over there either, but
either I forty forty highly entertaining Sunday night game at
the end of a long, long football day.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
But yeah, that certainly stands out. Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Bring him back his guy who didn't get trucked by
Travis Kelcey this time? Well in behold now at Baltimore,
hang it with a star because how many guys did
they lose to injury? And we talk about Lamar, but
you lose your defensive tackle for the year. Roquan Smith's
now down, Humphrey's gonna miss weeks. Boy, that game that
I go to in Chicago that might are in Baltimore
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with the Bears could be that much more fun for me.
Bo Nike Nick's finishing fifth on the day. How about
Justin Fields finishes fourth with the strength of the big run.
I kept wondering if I was reading into too much
when it was really dark and he was wearing the
big sunglasses when he did his postgame presser, as to
whether he was having issues again. You know, I just
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raising yeah, just raising my I mean, I don't want
to speculate too hard, but it's also we know that
that's part of the routine, right, dark room whatever, And
because they've got a great spot against Dallas this coming week,
right in terms of maybe being able to make a
little bit of Hey, I'm still mad about that offensive
pass interference call they had against Garrett Wilson, would have
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the maybe looked that much smarter. But yeah, from the
quarterback position, the other one that stood out was the
big day from Drake May. That's three straight weeks of
at least twenty Fantasy points from him.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, he's been solid for sure. And if they just
don't turn the ball over. I mean we're talking about
the red hot New England Patriots, you know, from Week
three and now they've got a date with the Buffalo Bills.
If Ed Oliver and Matt Mulano are still going to
be out on Sunday night, I think we've seen teams
be able to move the ball too, teams in the
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Dolphins and Saints that we don't have a lot of
high expectations for. And so that even the Saints just
keeping a competitive against the Bills. I know the Bills
are four and all, but I don't know if the
Bills are really playing the top tier football. And I
think Drake May could continue that run in week five.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Yeah, having himself a shine right now, just to finish
up the quarterback because we got to get to the
negativity from it. One of them wasn't his fault. Daniel
Jones would have had a much nicer day if Mitchell
just crosses the goal line, but we won't.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Beat him up too much. Along here.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Caleb Williams, following up a massive game in Week three
with a dud, made the plays to get them a
w against the Raiders, but couldn't avoid Max Crosby well
enough to have a big day. And for the third
straight week, Justin Herbert was just a guy for fantasy purposes, right, Yeah,
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Justin Herbert the player and what they did weeks one
through three, winning all those division games great for fantasy purposes.
He's steady as they go. Had that big Week one,
but otherwise you're looking at fifteen sixteen points a week,
so that might become the norm.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Through just through two interceptions, but completed just twenty three
or forty one in that game against the Giants, disappointing.
The Texan's gonna win against the Titans twenty six to nothing.
The defense dominated CJ. Stroud played better for the Texans,
but there are still problems there. I actually watched a
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decent amount of that game on Sunday because of Survivor
game purpose sure, and I just kept saying to myself,
it's not going to get any easier for CJ. Stroud
like this is. And it's not to take anything away
from Tennessee because I actually think that they've got guys
on the defensive line that can get after it. But
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I just don't see any situations where the Texans are like, okay,
now we can get cooking on offense. And so Stroud,
who has a nice clean day play, I ended up
playing him in the league should have played Dak But
because I kind of thought the same thing you thought
Mike against the Packers, I just played Stroud because I
figured out it's against the Titans in a nice day.
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But Stroud's gonna be one of those guys now around
twenty and twenty one, twenty two in your fantasy rankings,
and there isn't any reason bump them A pyre that's
about as good as it's going to get for the Texans.
Signal caller, and I don't know what that means for
everybody else, Nico Collins and whatnot. But yeah, I felt
like it was a max out performance for what the
Texans have to deal with now with their offensive line.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
That's the tough thing, right is the offensive line We
knew wasn't going to be great coming into the season,
but that it would be a better balance and with
this flying defense flying around. And that's why on my
Ninja list, I actually threw Stroud in even though we
know it's Nico Collins and guys that were wishing and
hoping rise into a spot. What we did get was
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the rise of Woody Marks. So at least for one day,
we got the twenty three Bots, got the big effort
by the defense, which was great, But this was a
spot for Stroud maybe to be able to take advantage
of the field position, maybe to put up a big day. Unfortunately,
while while there were some spots where it's like, okay,
maybe there's a little more there, getting convincing me beyond
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that twenty to twenty two Ragne, you were talking about Dan,
it's not gonna happen. And unfortunately with all the other
receivers going out like guys, but particularly when you look
at Tyreek Hill, he was a guy that we wondered
aloud if Miami continued to stink, would he be a
trade candidate. Well, that chip's now off the board for
Houston or somebody else to go an augment.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's uh yeah it was. It was pretty
It was my first real well I saw them on
the Monday night game against the Buccaneers as well, but
in an opportunity where when you watch the Texans two
years ago or and saw them at their absolute best,
it just it wasn't It wasn't the case in what
could have been their their easiest matchup of the season.
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Ian what stood at for you in Week four and
watching the action that we had unfold.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Mike brought up Woody Marx.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
That was big for me because I think it showed
who the lead guy uh in Houston is now.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
It's not like Nick Chubb's going.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Away, but but Woody Mark's former USC trojan. I watched
them all last year and I remember thinking, this guy is,
you know, going to be an NFL player and was
really surprised at how underrated he was going both in
the actual NFL draft and in fantasy drafts later on.
So what he mars being the guy in Houston was
kind of the main takeaway for me. And then justin
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fields for my Jets, having the huge performance in the
losing effort just I don't know, disappointing, but it shows
that there's value in fields is kind of a weekly
must start if you have them. Regardless.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, it makes me feel a little foolish, as I said, like,
there's they're playing the Dolphins, but you don't know how
game flow is going to go either, you know, right right?
And but fields, the reason you play fields is for
that fourth and one touchdown run. And I think that
I think if you're going to like live that game
and play that game like your nerves, you gotta have
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the nerves of steel and just take the good with
the bad. And there was good and there could be
more good if the Jets are playing from behind like that.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I think some of it goes back to the old mentality.
And I have another point about the running back position
in a SEC is that the old Barry Sanders kind
of thing. It could be a really weird day, right
the zero three. Oh, it's a nice five yard game,
and then he'd shoot away for a sixty seven yard
touchdown run.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
It's like it was a miserable day until.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
That run, and now it looks brilliant and it takes
nothing away from the work he was doing. I'm not
trying to do that at all. But you know, it's
like we do how many picks in a week dan
from fantasy purposes or picks on a show for how
a game's gonna go. You can have a game right
ninety nine percent of the time and then one play
just blows it all up.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Suddenly a guy breaks off a seventy six yard touchdown
catch when he's been limited to three catches for nine
yards earlier in the day.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's like, see, you were wrong. He had four for
ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Man like, well, no, no, no, it's like I get it.
It all counts just the same, all where the l
but doesn't mean I wasn't on the money. The rookie
running back position. Out of our top twelve guys, we
had four rookies. Jent had the breakout against the Bears.
We had Woody Marx, O'maron Hampton for the second straight
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week had a big week, and then number twelve another
big effort from quin Shawn Judkins.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Interesting. They got the London game against the Vikings coming.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Up, that'll be a reason to watch it.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Dan, I don't know if it was going to be
Dylan Gabriel or should or Sanders. And we're not even
sure that right now who's going to be the quarterback.
Kevin Stefanski was a bit evasive about it, not necessarily
saying that Flacco was going to start. But we'll see.
Maybe if you hide him in London, the people won't
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notice as much if you have to play Dylan Gabriel
or should or Sanders. But going up against I mean,
it's going to be Gabriel if it's not flak.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Open going up against Brian Flores.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, yeah, that was the point that.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Sorry, didn't mean to jump in there.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
No, that's okay. Maybe we'll get a lot more of
Quinn Shawn Judkins.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Do you see the over under for this game?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Oh? I didn't.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Thirty six and a half and trending downwards.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
That's tough that that might be the lowest number well
that I've seen in recent memory.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You think about it, so you think, like, what the
Browns just did. I played David Montgomery in the league
this past weekend and nothing against the Cleveland Browns, and
you know, Cleveland still gave up thirty four points in
the game to Detroit, and there's you know, obviously Jamior
Gibbs has has his day. But if you're the Browns
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and you go in and you know your defensive front
and you try to shut down Jordan Mason of the Vikings,
so now you're relying on Carson Wentz or we're relying
on Dylan Gabriel's arm against that Brian Ford defense. I
can see why it's continuing to tread that tread down
from where.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
You just sold me to watch that game, and its
entirely my goodness.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I love me some defensive ends getting after it. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I just want to see what the Browns end zone
is going to look like. Again. I'm so enamored with
I've always been enamored with end zones. And on Sunday morning,
when we saw the Steelers and Vikings play that Vikings
end zone, the Vikings would make the super Bowl. That's
what it would look like in the end zone. They're
now using these templates for all of the international games.
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That's why we saw the Chargers in what their end
zone would look like. The Chiefs end zone that they
had in Brazil was the same exact end zone that
they've painted for Kansas City and the previous three Super Bowls.
The NFL has this template that they put together, and
I've always wondered what would the browns end zone look
like in a Super Bowl? And are they going to
(25:53):
just put the browns helmet? Are they going to put
the little elf guy?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
That elf guy would be great?
Speaker 5 (25:58):
We'll never know.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Unfortunately, Well, no, we will know if.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
They do the end zones. That's what I'm saying is
these these international games now have allowed us the opportunity
to maybe see what a browns end zone in the
super Bowl would look like.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
So that's what I can do an alternate reality.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yeah, I like that. Yeah, We've we've gone into a
different earth for this one. I would be remiss though.
Right off the Monday night game. Those Dolphin uniforms, what
do you think.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I hated them?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah? I told in before the pod that I think
that the Jets looked good under the lights and the
white and the grass and the contrast to them. And
I don't know if it was because of the Dolphins'
colors and how they were, but I thought the Jets
actually looked better than the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I just I just didn't like the black. I just don't.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
It's not their color, and it doesn't go at all.
I get that it's a special addition, and you know,
oftentimes those will have some complete alternate color scheme that
doesn't necessarily go with the team, but it was just
so jarringly opposite to what they are, because they're usually
so right and colorful, you know, light blue, deeal white, orange,
and then just suddenly just black.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
They brought out their meanness against that jet I guess, so.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, I got a quick running back question for you guys.
Washington ends up doing the split backfield with a Bill
across Geame mat and Chris Rodriguez. Mariota is obviously there,
but maybe not their running threat. Jayden Daniels coming back
is going to improve things. But is there any value
(27:31):
in this Washington backfield right now? Do you go Rodriguez?
Do you go Bill? I mean, obviously there's no no Eckler,
but Atlanta ran over them. I just am wondering if
the commanders have any sort of value in that backfield.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Back into flex if desperate.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I mean, Rodriguez is going to be a guy that's
going to get picked up a bunch just because of
able bodies and share counts, just you know, touches, targets,
all that fun stuff. We talk about desperate bedfellows. We
look at what Scatibo was able to do a little
bit against the Chargers this last week, So maybe you
(28:09):
look to the battering ram a bit, but anything beyond like,
I got to think your roster, you still have two
healthy backs that yeah, I have to beat that. You know,
depending on the depth and how how deep your benches are,
then it becomes the all right, I'll add him going
back to the old even if they're terrible, opportunity means something.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
It's it's funny. And the reason why I brought it
up because we're talking about running backs. But think of
what Washington has been over the last you know, month
or two. So we thought we had the backfield. Then
we found out that Brian Robinson was not going to
be there anymore.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, not like otherwise.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I mean from just a straight standpoint of ability, how
how is he worse than anybody they still That's.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
What I'm wondering. Like, that's so like Eckler goes down,
But we didn't think Eckler would be their workhorse. Anyway,
we just knew that he had a role. And then
we hear about Crosskey Merritt. I know that there were
some questions about his health as well, but yeah, I
just I don't necessarily know the plan. Yeah, and and
and I'll bring up another point and I can't remember
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who was talking about it. And I apologize because this
is not an original thought of mine, But somebody made
the point of how Kyler Murray plateaued in Arizona with
Cliff Kingsbury as the coach. So when they team up
and they draft Kyler Murray and they go to a
you know, a play have a playoff berth, you know
one year that hey, things are things are going to
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be different around here. And then maybe it was Murray's injury,
maybe it was whatever, But Kyler Murrays kind of been
the same guy. And I'm just worried, Like offensive wise,
like we thought everything for the Commanders, there were a
lot of ex expectations. I didn't have as high expectations
as other people did, even on our pick sheet in
there put Commanders miss playoffs. But I just wonder if
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that's going to start to trickle in the things. It's
unfair to say right now without Jayden Daniels there, but
I don't know what running game they're going to have.
Terry mclaurin's now injured. Yeah, I just I think there
could be some issues in one.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
No, I think there's definitely a trickle down effect. Now
you're helped only by the fact, I guess when we
start looking at the larger playoff picture and wildcards or
whatever that look Dak Prescott's played magnificent football. Davonte Williams
for a couple of weeks been magnificent. George George Pickens
to this point is great. We'll see how fast CD
LAMB can get back. Fergerson's been great. But they're not
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a very good team at all. Like, defensively they're atrocious.
They might be good enough to win shootouts and be
in the mix, but you know, they're an A f thought.
The Giants will be more interesting, But how many games
are they winning?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Right, So for Washington, we expected a regression or a
I'm in lockstep with you that that was gonna happen. Right,
all those one score games, even if you win only
half of them, that it probably pushes you to the
edge of the playoff fringe, but receiving wise, you're banking
on Deebo. It goes back to the Kyler Murray kind
of thing. You have that turbo kind of thing going
(31:18):
on for a few weeks and then he becomes just
a guy. And even this year, Kyler doesn't have the
turbo thing necessarily running the ball. But that's a whole
other conversation for another time. But like with Deebo Samuel,
generally you get eight or nine really good games and
then he's partially injured or he's out all together, and
you're banking on him to be a big component of
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what your passing game is. Right now, that's a dangerous proposition.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
They come to La to face the Chargers in week five,
then Mike, they have your Bears on Monday Night Football,
and then the Cowboys and then there's the Chiefs, Seahawks,
and Lions, with a date with the Broncos and Vikings
lingering not long after that.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
It's a lot of top end defense.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah yeah, it is the.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Others that are starting to get guys healthy.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah yeah. In those that's what Washington's got gotta deal with.
And funky schedule where they you know, play the Eagles again,
at the end of the season. But that's that's ways
a way. But for the immediate future, yeah, it's it's
it's a little more than fifty to fifty for some
of those tough defenses. Yeah all right, so a little
look at week four what we've got. Let's take a
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look at our report cards. Next, Michael tell us how
his rankings did give him a pluses. I hope he
doesn't fail himself. I'll tell you how Points of Pulse
and the Survivor worked out. And Ian's got his streaming defenses.
That's next here, and I want your flex. All right,
did we lead you on the path of success or
(32:45):
did we lead you astray? It's time for us to
reveal our report cards for week four. He's Mike Carmon,
that's Ian Roddy. I'm Dan Byer. This is how I
want your flex. Mike, how did you grade out in
your week four rankings and not plays in gold Source?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
We had a good mixed I would say at the
running back position, we cooked, no pun intended I cook
being the number one running back. But the top five
guys I gave you all finished seventh are better, all right,
so I'll take the win there right, Cook, CMC Bjon
Bijean Jacobs and Gibbs some chalk, but you know what
(33:21):
you get no Laurel Crown for out running a burrow.
So sometimes you take the chalk from the quarterback position.
Very odd, you know, when you look at some of
the usual suspects and talking about the middling efforts. You know,
obviously Lamar Leaves injured, but twenty seventh on the day
Caleb Williams following up that huge effort, I had him
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in the top five. He finished twenty third, but I
got a couple of w's in that. I gave a
magnificent seven, and you know, Patrick Mahomes finishes third, Drake
May finishes eighth, and then obviously Josh Allen doing Josh
Allen things. So we'll take the w's there. Two of
our top three wide receivers made it there. Pukin de Kua,
(34:03):
I might just put him in ink. I'm throwing the
pencil out for him as well as I'm on Ross
Saint Brown because he just continues to be magnificent. And
then I was overly optimistic on Garrett Wilson. But the
fact that he's still finished, I think what was it
eleventh on the week.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I mean he's a Jet.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
I get point points for that well, and he got
called for that push off. That still just ticks me
off to no things they never call ever in football.
And there you go, Jets, Jets Man, Jets show thirteen penalties,
the guy fielding the fair punt that the two do
we want to do that while we're at now just kidding.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
How about on the hot plays.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Bo Nicks finished as your fifth quarterback, Jordan Love as
the sixth, and Rock Purty twelfth. So I'll take w's
on all of those guys we had. Let's see Hampton
as a hot play. He finished seventh among running backs,
so we got w's there for the LS. No, and
then Derrick Henry that's my last will take and then
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we'll look at some of some of the l's. Dak
Presscott finishing first overall, no no, no good for me.
Gino Smith is a ninja twenty third, no good. We
did have a lave hey, he's got a lot of targets,
not today. So he finishes thirty fourth, and then Thornton
against Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Here's your opportunity.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Now he finished thirty ninth on the day and Drake
London had himself a day against Washington, like the volume
of targets had been there but hadn't exceeded fifty five
receiving yards, he said, beat at Harmon and finished sixth overall.
So yeah, a little bit of a mixed bag. There
were a couple other ws, but yeah, all in all,
(35:49):
I feel pretty good through four weeks of the season,
feeling on steady ground that we're starting to really learn
who these.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Teams are and streaming defenses. He gave us three an
zero for a one for three, two for three or
a perfect ledger. What do you got?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
We'll call it a two for three, and we'll start
with the outlier negative, which was the Commanders. They ended
up losing you a point if you ended up taking
my advice there, so I apologize. They allowed thirty four points.
They did get an interception and a sack to salvage
it a little bit, though, so there was that class
half full point of view. But not for the good.
(36:26):
We had the Chicago Bears, Yeah, exactly, they got you
nine points twenty They allowed twenty four points, but like
you said, thank you, Gino. They intercepted him three times
and recovered a fumble. It's a big day for the
Bears defense. And then the New England Patriots they got
you ten points, they were the best play of the three,
only allowed thirteen points and they.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Got a sack as well.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
So I would say it's a successful day two out
of three, but we will look to go three for
three next week.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Special team score for the Patriots in that win.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Forgot to mention that yeap, yes, yes, huge.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Well that's a plus. Good job starting out with the
bad news, giving us the good news at the end.
I will take that advice. My points of Palosa was
Dolphins Jets, and I felt like we almost could have
gotten there. Maybe if Tyreek Hill doesn't get injured. I'm
not sure, but the Jets playing a bit of a
frantic way made that made that a modest game. Was
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probably the middle of the road for the week. It's
just tough the top a forty forty tie like that,
there's just when you have that you just kind of
throw up the arms and say, all right, whatever whatever.
But if you look around the league, a lot of
forty seven totals forty eight, forty nine, and the Dolphins
and Jets at least at least held their own.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Well, they hit the over Dan, so you at least
got that.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Better than what we saw in New York or New Jersey.
It met life between the Chargers and Giants and some
other affairs around the league. But was hoping for a
bit of a sleeper so missed on the points of palooza.
Survivor picks. We are good. We were through. Said that
the Lions and Bills were the easy picks, that you
(38:05):
could take those picks and feel fine about them. Obviously,
Bills had a little bit of a struggle with the Saints,
but they win any advance. But there's going to be
opportunities where you could use the Bills and Lions maybe
later on in the season, so take advantage of some
of your matchups. I recommended New England against the Panthers.
That was a pick. And I recommended the Texans over
the Titans, and they won in shutout fashion twenty six
(38:29):
to nothing. So congratulations if you've moved on. And it's interesting, guys,
I'm in two separate survivor pools. One's got a little
bit higher buy in, and I think that there's more
savvy people maybe in that pool. Texans were the number
one overall pick in that for this week's selections. So
(38:49):
I think people were catching on Titans on the road
Texans still looking for their first win in the other pool,
and I don't want to say that they're not as savvy,
but I just think it's a bunch of people who
have signed up the Bills were the obvious, that were
the most chosen team.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Really use them this week. That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, that's it's as I said, like, it's easy to
look at a fifteen point spread and say, all right,
I'll take that because one of the most notorious, one
of the most notorious survivor beats was that Jacksonville game
a few years ago. Remember when the Bills were like
a seventeen or eight point favorite. They go to Jacksonville
and they end up losing that game, and I think
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it was probably one of the bigger upsets that we've
had in NFL history, just because the spread was so big.
But you know, those games, you're not gaining a lot
on the field. I actually think that even if you're correct,
you're kind of stepping back because you've lost a better team.
And this coming week that we've gotten Week five. So
when we do the pot at the end of the week.
(39:51):
There are some games where you can pick teams, but
there's not necessarily that obvious pick that you're going to
get outside of maybe a game or two, so that
Survival played that.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Game right or something like that.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yeah, just like a Miserable a Miserable watch too, not
beyond beyond the idea of the big upset, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, it's you know, the Survivor pools are interesting and
so there's like the group think on it. Probably both
pools had the same top seven teams, but it was
just different to see on who was on top, who
was who was different. People lost on the Packers. By
the way, if you're wondering on that, if your team ties, yeah,
(40:33):
you know they didn't win there. There didn't work So
it didn't work out for you there. But yeah, tie
is not going to save you. So that's a big hit.
And a lot of people took the Chargers, which is
tricky because it's a West Coast team on the road
one o'clock eastern, and even with Jackson Dart, you're saying yourself, okay,
maybe that could work, but that spread was still only
six and a half, which I think told people something
(40:55):
to maybe stay away. But some people got burned by
that in the in the survivoral.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Three big point spreads for Week five, everything else fields
the right around what we got?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
What are we looking at?
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (41:07):
You got Detroit ten and a half at Cincinnati. Okay,
Arizona nine and a half at home against Tennessee, and
Buffalo's a seven and a half home favored against New England.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I would stay away from that Bill's game.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
No, I'm thinking the same thing you are over Unders
sitting at a robust forty nine and a half.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, I think like again, I think Buffalo is a
good team, like I do, and I think that everything
has gone their way so far. But I don't know
if they're five and oh good, and sometimes these things,
just like the Chargers, I think the Chargers are a
really good football team. I don't know if they were
four and oh good, you know, and their loss just
happened to be against the Giants. Maybe they should have
(41:51):
lost to the Chiefs, maybe they should have lost to
the Broncos. But I think that kind of it's the
old Bill Parcells, like your record says who you are.
But I think that with the Bills right now, things
have gone their way they have this easy stretch three
home games. You're gonna play four home games the first
five weeks of the season, and so they're making their
hay now. But I'm not sure if they're five and
(42:12):
oh good. We'll find out in week five. But we'll
talk about that for another day. We've got some waiver
wire picks. Do you want to get in some waiver
wire p Yeah, let's knock some in episode wraps up.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
As we look at the board, you know, you immediately
start looking for other help at wide receiver because of
the injuries we were talking about. So Darius Slayton, Look,
he's an oldie, but a goodie. But again we're looking
for targets. We're trying to find help for Wandell Robinson
and for Jackson Dart as he emerges even further. And
we got to shore things up. You got a couple
(42:47):
of guys that are gonna gonna get picked up, but
they're bye week guys like Romeo Dubs, right, he was
a guy that had had a big week, Jalen Tobert
against the Jets. Potential for him to have himself a
little bit of a higher workload. You look at we
talked about Chris Rodriguez talked about woody marks, guys that
(43:09):
are going to be flying off the board. Kenneth Gainwell
has a bye week, but no idea what the deal
is with Warren at this point and whether the trust
of Caleb Johnson is going to be there coming out
of the bye week and what he eats into for
the workload eventually. But gain Well with a huge day
in that game against the Vikings, so we'll see more
(43:31):
of him as we go forward as well. But you know,
we look at the wide receiver position and that's kind
of where we concentrate I think based on the injuries
that we saw fellas that you know, we look at
depth charts and trying to find the diamonds in the rough.
And you know, Chris Godwin got picked up in a
(43:53):
lot of leagues, still available in about a third as
he gets back into full health, perhaps a bigger work
glode for him. Marvin Mims had the had the rushing touchdown.
I don't know what week to week we'll see because
you're still battling beyond Sutton. You've got Troy Franklin there,
but a guy that maybe it becomes a stash if
(44:15):
you've got a deeper roster opportunity for it. Luther Burden
in Chicago seems to be again bye week this week,
but going forward that he'll draw a bigger share because
they like the effort he gives in the blocking part
of the equation. So there and then to the old
fun of the tight end position. Just really quickly as
(44:39):
we look at it, Isaiah likely came back. Not a
massive game, you know, out of the gates, but but
just the idea of if Lamar Jackson is going to
miss time, sure, we're trying to find viable targets and
guys who could become part of a short passing game.
And then going back to Denver guy that has had
(45:01):
success in the past. Finally healthy for for week four
is Evan Ingram, so perhaps his share count, especially for
red zone purposes, comes into play.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I mean Mark Andrews. So the Ravens had seven catches
for thirty yards against the oh Man. We'll talk about
aj Brown the next episode.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
Oh boy, Yeah, lots to say there. You want to
do some dramatic readings, guy.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I'll tell you what. But the most shocking stat line
for me was Andrew seven for thirty I don't know
why it just stood out stood out to me. But yeah,
I think if you want to you want to have
some plays, maybe the the younger likely could be the option.
That's after Andrews had the good game against the Lions,
or he got in the end zone a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
No, that's it right, the ebb and flow. But we've
talked about that with the tight end position, right, the
boomer bust. I mean, look at Tucker Kraft, right, one
guy that we we should just make mention of, really
fat for fantasy purposes. What do you have an eight
points week when it could have been a twenty point week.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Sure, a couple of.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Down inside the one one that seemed a bit suspect
in terms of how quickly that review came through and
how it gets overturned. But uh, you know, but for
the grace of a couple of inches, that's two touchdown catches.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Yeah, and a monster week.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Right, Yes, that's I was. I was playing against him
and Josh Jacobs. Oh wow, by the way, so like
when he doesn't get in, then it's okay, Josh Jacobs,
you take it. Yeah, Oh well all right, that's it
for I want your flax. We're gonna have another episode
coming up tomorrow, and then we'll have your Week five
preview a little bit later on in the week, hopefully
we'll find out more about the status of some of
(46:44):
these injured players. Again, an early week with the Rams
and Niners and Rock Purty status up in the air,
plus a bye week, so you'll want to prepare for
that with the Steelers, Packers, Bears, and Falcons all on
by So for Ian Roddy and Mark Carman, I'm Dan Byer.
We say goodbye to you. We'll talk to you next
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Another weekend, another infirmary report from the NFL four weeks
in Mike Goodness, We're never gonna start with the quarterbacks.
Who we're dealing with. He is Mike Carmon hit him
up at Swollen Don. He could find me at Dan
Byer on Fox. Ian Roddy is the executive producer. You
can find him at Ian Roddy Underscore. We're talking about
wide receivers, Mike, and we're talking about big name wide receivers. First,
(00:54):
it was the Leaf Neighbors on Sunday that on Monday night,
Tyreek Hill goes down with his likely season ending knee injury.
A tough one for w R ones in fantasy football.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah, if you went in early on any of these
and you know, for fantasy purposes, and again not to
dismiss the severity of the injury, but from a fantasy perspective,
you probably didn't have to push too many chips in
to get tyreek Hill on your squad, so you probably
already had him as a two or three to or
maybe some weeks he wasn't even finding your lineup, depending
(01:25):
on your roster configuration. So that one not necessarily as
damning overall. But when you look at moligue neighbors and
what he was expected to be and how excited he
was to work with, you know, something that wasn't moonball
after Moonball of Russell Wilson with Jackson Dart taking over,
that one was huge. Obviously, the massive target share and
(01:47):
the expectations that you can build off of what was
a fantastic rookie year with more competent, consistent quarterback play
and the juggernaut running behind Jackson and Darton camp Scatabo.
That that all goes asunder and now it's Darius Slayton again.
Really we've got to go down this path in terms
(02:09):
of target counts. But yeah, the mash unit across the
NFL through four weeks has just been insane.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
This is the toughest part about specifically with the neighbors injuries,
and if you're in a PPR league, probably took him
a lot higher than maybe you would you know, in
a standard league, but still he's a high pick. It's
fun to have your your top picks be on your team,
Like when you're watching games if you have Sunday ticket,
(02:38):
your early picks are the games that you're focusing on
if your team isn't playing at that point. And I
find it's so demoralizing. Aside from just your fantasy outlook
at that point, it's also just the fun of it
of like, oh, I don't have my guy. My guy
isn't there, the guy that I was excited to get,
(03:01):
say late in round one or on the swing pick
in round two. You just take away all of the
other stuff that you have to deal with. Of now
I gotta play from behind. I hope my bench is
strong enough. Blah blah blah. It's just actually watching the game,
and not that Giants games are fun to watch, but
it's having your top pick not be there so demoralizing
(03:22):
four weeks into the season. It's it's just a kick
and that you know what I hate it when it
happens to people.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, to try to flip it to the other way,
because you know, we're gonna try to be glass half
fulled in of the now. Whoever I had to pick
up off the scrap heap, I'm rooting doubly hard for
him to prove I'm a genius.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Sure, yes, but yes.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Losing your top pick, especially if it's a game that
you generally wouldn't care about otherwise.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I also think it's it. Yeah, it's it's there's guys
who play fantasy just to make trades. Right. We used
to work with a guy at Fox, Jeff Schwartz, Right,
you know, Jeff based out of Chicago. That's all he
wanted to do. I don't think you care of his
team one or loss, but he would always tell us
about all of the trades that he made.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I am the opposite. I am the exact opposite. I
want to see my draft prep come to fruition, develop blossom.
And when I have the this this field of gold,
of all this oats and barley or whatever produce my
corn that is that has finally grown. That's how I
look at my fantasy team. And so when you lose
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your first or second rounder. It's just difficult, no matter.
And if they were on a great team or not
a great team. And Week two you're like, my goodness,
this game against the Giants and Cowboys could not get
any better. Look at my Leaku neighbors. Look what he's doing.
Oh Jackson Dart. Yeah, to your point, maybe they can
develop a rapport and have some momentum coming in the
next year. If you're in a keeper league, oh gosh,
don't even get me start. If you're in a keeper
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league and you have league neighbors, it's just it's it,
just it stinks. I didn't want to start out negative
with it, but I was just I was so bothered
by the Molak Neighbors injury. Not as much as Odell
Beckham Junior, but there's so many domino effects that that
fall when you have a young guy, an exciting guy,
now you don't have them the.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Rest well, that build right off of what was a
fantastic year, and we knew they were going to make
the switch to Jackson Dart eventually, and then it happens.
It's like, all right, here we are, let's let's start.
This is zero hour and what are we going to
get and we were robbed of it. So as football
fans will robbed Ian, you also need to find some
some you know, copyright free music because that was damn
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poetic of what Dan just did there. So I don't know,
like some sweeping.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Sweeping, you know, but that's what I was thinking of.
And I think that's why Barley may have come in
the mind.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
That was good though.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Either that or you're you're thinking of going into brewing
because you're watching some of the shows that are now
showing up on Netflix. But it's it was just tough,
like and being on air watching as Tyreek Hill goes down.
Ian were working in the back, you know, Jason Smith
and I on air, and and Ian was working with
us on on sound, and and it was like, there's
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the scene in Star Wars where they blow up the
planet spoiler alert, and the line is I heard a
million voices cry out at once, and all just as
quickly all were silenced. That's kind of the thing that
happens when you have a big injury, even if in
this case it was an opponent of Ean being a
jet fan, but it's that same kind of scenario, like,
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all right, there's a big chip and a big star
off the board, and the game's the worse for it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I told the and I lost my
fantasy game in my long term league because Tyreek Hill
made the catch on the injury. Oh, if he drops
the ball on the injury or something happens, I win
by like two tenths of a point. It would have
in a really crappy way for me to win a game.
But he caught it and suffered the injury. So I
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took the l on the I'd flipped over to the
other game. I didn't have two TVs going. I had
flipped over to the other one, and I flipped back,
and all of a sudden, I see Tyreek Hill on
a cart and I'm like, oh my goodness, what happened?
And yeah, so just an awful site for Miami. A
tough one for the Giants. But we move on. Let's
move on to the other injuries that we saw in
Week four. Lamar not with a hamstring injury. Like if
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it's gone from bad to worse, it just has.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
In Baltimore, Cooper Rush the next man up on the
depth chart.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Now, we've been talking a lot about teams going out
and finding another quarterback right in Cincinnati with Jake Browning.
We watched it on Monday night. It's a disaster. Now
Denver's defense is good, but I want to know what
happened to that guy in twenty twenty three who just
wing the ball around and didn't care because he looks
absolutely lost. So we're already we're ticking off different spots
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where it's like, all right, who's going to go trade
for a quarterback? Now you're looking at Baltimore like, well,
you still need a bunch of defenders. That's a whole
other mess. But from an offensive perspective, Lamar, when you
already got it diminished and compromised, whatever the hell's wrong
with Derrick Henry.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, this is disastrous.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Three start and then for fantasy purposes, Lamar still had
a sizeable game, but still a damning one going forward
because again owing to draft status, right, he was a
guy that back in first or second because of the
rushing efforts, might have might have been an early pick.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Here's here's the other thing with Lamar. And I don't
know if you guys have had to deal with any
of this, but because of the amount of quarterbacks that
have gone down the waiver wire isn't as as plenty
sure in previous times because there were a lot of
names out there and names that were serviceable. But now
you get to the point where Purdy's hurt again, we
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don't know if he's going to play on Thursday, don't
know Jayden Daniel's status. Hopefully it's better for Commanders fans
coming up now you're entering bye weeks. You got four
teams coming up in week five that are that are
on buy like it's it's a tough one and we
talked just to talk about the domino effect of the
Ravens let alone. Now make making sure that you have
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a suitable backup and if you didn't have one on
your roster, I think you're going to be in in
a little bit of a bind because of all of
the injuries that we've we've seen and guys that may
not be on a roster anymore. I have a league
where IVE got four quarterbacks on my team right now
because I just have no idea on what's going to have.
One of them's Joe Burrow, he's on IR but I
just I didn't want to get caught by having to
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play Spencer Ratler at a game.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, you play some defense, but yeah, you look at
some of the depth issues that come up to where
I'm looking at in a Yahoo league, you know, one
of the the auto pick kind of things, but a
lot of it for research because you've got critical mass
of percentages. Man, you got Tua that you can can
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go and find for the coming week against Carolina. Okay,
that's the spot. He's available in a bunch of leagues.
So maybe you got that CJ. Stroud if you want
to go on that bandwagons. He's playing Baltimore, so you
actually have the advantage for this week. But are you
trusting that that offense clicks.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Uh, we'll talk about the rookie running backs coming out
to play a little bit later, but beyond that, I
think those are really the only two guys that are
serviceable that I see available in a wide number of
leagues where it's not just based on your league settings
that they be available. Everything else is in you know,
guys that are pretty heavily rostered. And to your point,
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you're carrying three or four if nothing else, to play
defense against your opposition.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, I carried multiple because I lost Burrow and I
picked up Daniel Jones in fields was my backup if
he had the concussion. So I picked up Jones at
the time. And in my ten team league, even in
the ten team league, Mike, there are guys that I
wouldn't that I'm just like looking into, like, okay, it
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doesn't go as deep as you thought, Like I'm I
don't you can play Trevor Lawrence, you know, like go
ahead and play Trevor Lawrence. But like even like after
that point, I'm like, okay, do I got to pick
up cam Ward here? Like like that's where where we're
getting down to. Is it really Sam Donald? Am I
gonna try it out Sam Donald? Who I don't think
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he's gonna throw for three hundred yards this season? Like
those are the options right now that are slim pickens
because of some of these quarterback injuries. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
The only other guy that's still kind of hanging out
in a lot of leagues because of the wait and
see we mentioned him off the jump with is Matthew
Stafford still still available in a bunch of these leagues.
But again, you know, it's it's all tailored to you know,
league mates and league thinking. If you're in a private league.
Then you kind of know how the rest of your
league mates think. If it's a long standing right, you've
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got a long standing one, Dan, And you know, I've
played in leagues with the same group of folks around
the fantasy world for a while, so I kind of
know the flow. Everybody's just gonna stash the viable options.
So you're left with Trevor Lawrence. He's home against Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
There you go, good luck.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Good good luck against the defense that's surging in an
offense that's starting to get right.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, maybe somebody will drop Gino Smith this week and
you can pick him up. Isn't already available. I will
make one note before we take a time out. I
did look on another league, the half point PPR league
that I'm in, just to see what quarterbacks are available,
and Pennix is there after his strong week. You know,
I like Pennix, but Aaron Rodgers, cam Ward and then
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I scrolled down a little and it was Jake Browning,
Russell William or Russell Wilson, Shador Sanders somehow like got
pushed up in this ranking. He's above Spencer Rattler and
Joe Flacco in whatever order this is on this ESPN side,
he's ahead of Mac Jones, like higher in the rankings.
I have no idea. It's not like he's been picked up.
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We dropped percentage on him as actually negative point two,
but somehow he has floated. He's above Kirk Cousins, he's
above Dylan Gabriel. But Shador Sanders is sitting there in
that quarterback.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Is it because he's mentioned in a bunch of Twitter
feeds or some craft No idea, but like you mentioned
a couple of those guys that are on that list.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Unfortunately both Pennix and Rogers are off this week. Yeah, right,
as well as Chicago and Green Bay. But there's two
potentially viable options that go off the port for this week.
Desperate straits man.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, yeah, it is. It is tough times. We are
getting into that stretch of buys in week five, but
we got to look back at week four and what
stood out for us some highs and lows and stuff
in between. Plus coming up a little later on the podcast,
we'll see how Ian streaming defenses did. Mike gives his
report card and I'll tell you if the Points of
Palosa hit or not. That's all coming up next here,
and I want your flex.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
All right.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Week four is in the books where we had our
first tie of the year. Yeah, he's playing up to
that forty point effort. My penix prediction hasn't necessarily hit
so far, but I did like Dak in the preseason,
and Dak and the Cowboy have lived up to the
hype that I thought they would have. The defense has
also lived up to the hype that I thought they
would have, and not in a good way. So that
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has allowed Dak to have the type of start to
the season that he's had, but another three hundred yard game,
three touchdowns, and doing so without Seedee Lamb his favorite
target seemed to really become familiar with George Pickens, but
Dak Prescott and that forty to forty tie really stood
out to me on Sunday night.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah, number one for fantasy quarterbacks Week four. That's one
of my massive l's blinking on my forehead of the
I did not know what to expect, that thought thing.
Green Bay Packers defense was supposed to be good. That's
what they told me. So what they told me. Hey,
they got that pass rusher, So I feel Jerry Jones
really got vindicated.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
This week.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Like see see they're no good over there either, but
either I forty forty highly entertaining Sunday night game at
the end of a long, long football day.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
But yeah, that certainly stands out. Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Bring him back his guy who didn't get trucked by
Travis Kelcey this time? Well in behold now at Baltimore,
hang it with a star because how many guys did
they lose to injury? And we talk about Lamar, but
you lose your defensive tackle for the year. Roquan Smith's
now down, Humphrey's gonna miss weeks. Boy, that game that
I go to in Chicago that might are in Baltimore
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with the Bears could be that much more fun for me.
Bo Nike Nick's finishing fifth on the day. How about
Justin Fields finishes fourth with the strength of the big run.
I kept wondering if I was reading into too much
when it was really dark and he was wearing the
big sunglasses when he did his postgame presser, as to
whether he was having issues again. You know, I just
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raising yeah, just raising my I mean, I don't want
to speculate too hard, but it's also we know that
that's part of the routine, right, dark room whatever, And
because they've got a great spot against Dallas this coming week,
right in terms of maybe being able to make a
little bit of Hey, I'm still mad about that offensive
pass interference call they had against Garrett Wilson, would have
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the maybe looked that much smarter. But yeah, from the
quarterback position, the other one that stood out was the
big day from Drake May. That's three straight weeks of
at least twenty Fantasy points from him.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, he's been solid for sure. And if they just
don't turn the ball over. I mean we're talking about
the red hot New England Patriots, you know, from Week
three and now they've got a date with the Buffalo Bills.
If Ed Oliver and Matt Mulano are still going to
be out on Sunday night, I think we've seen teams
be able to move the ball too, teams in the
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Dolphins and Saints that we don't have a lot of
high expectations for. And so that even the Saints just
keeping a competitive against the Bills. I know the Bills
are four and all, but I don't know if the
Bills are really playing the top tier football. And I
think Drake May could continue that run in week five.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Yeah, having himself a shine right now, just to finish
up the quarterback because we got to get to the
negativity from it. One of them wasn't his fault. Daniel
Jones would have had a much nicer day if Mitchell
just crosses the goal line, but we won't.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Beat him up too much. Along here.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Caleb Williams, following up a massive game in Week three
with a dud, made the plays to get them a
w against the Raiders, but couldn't avoid Max Crosby well
enough to have a big day. And for the third
straight week, Justin Herbert was just a guy for fantasy purposes, right, Yeah,
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Justin Herbert the player and what they did weeks one
through three, winning all those division games great for fantasy purposes.
He's steady as they go. Had that big Week one,
but otherwise you're looking at fifteen sixteen points a week,
so that might become the norm.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Through just through two interceptions, but completed just twenty three
or forty one in that game against the Giants, disappointing.
The Texan's gonna win against the Titans twenty six to nothing.
The defense dominated CJ. Stroud played better for the Texans,
but there are still problems there. I actually watched a
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decent amount of that game on Sunday because of Survivor
game purpose sure, and I just kept saying to myself,
it's not going to get any easier for CJ. Stroud
like this is. And it's not to take anything away
from Tennessee because I actually think that they've got guys
on the defensive line that can get after it. But
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I just don't see any situations where the Texans are like, okay,
now we can get cooking on offense. And so Stroud,
who has a nice clean day play, I ended up
playing him in the league should have played Dak But
because I kind of thought the same thing you thought
Mike against the Packers, I just played Stroud because I
figured out it's against the Titans in a nice day.
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But Stroud's gonna be one of those guys now around
twenty and twenty one, twenty two in your fantasy rankings,
and there isn't any reason bump them A pyre that's
about as good as it's going to get for the Texans.
Signal caller, and I don't know what that means for
everybody else, Nico Collins and whatnot. But yeah, I felt
like it was a max out performance for what the
Texans have to deal with now with their offensive line.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
That's the tough thing, right is the offensive line We
knew wasn't going to be great coming into the season,
but that it would be a better balance and with
this flying defense flying around. And that's why on my
Ninja list, I actually threw Stroud in even though we
know it's Nico Collins and guys that were wishing and
hoping rise into a spot. What we did get was
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the rise of Woody Marks. So at least for one day,
we got the twenty three Bots, got the big effort
by the defense, which was great, But this was a
spot for Stroud maybe to be able to take advantage
of the field position, maybe to put up a big day. Unfortunately,
while while there were some spots where it's like, okay,
maybe there's a little more there, getting convincing me beyond
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that twenty to twenty two Ragne, you were talking about Dan,
it's not gonna happen. And unfortunately with all the other
receivers going out like guys, but particularly when you look
at Tyreek Hill, he was a guy that we wondered
aloud if Miami continued to stink, would he be a
trade candidate. Well, that chip's now off the board for
Houston or somebody else to go an augment.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's uh yeah it was. It was pretty
It was my first real well I saw them on
the Monday night game against the Buccaneers as well, but
in an opportunity where when you watch the Texans two
years ago or and saw them at their absolute best,
it just it wasn't It wasn't the case in what
could have been their their easiest matchup of the season.
(20:42):
Ian what stood at for you in Week four and
watching the action that we had unfold.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Mike brought up Woody Marx.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
That was big for me because I think it showed
who the lead guy uh in Houston is now.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
It's not like Nick Chubb's going.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Away, but but Woody Mark's former USC trojan. I watched
them all last year and I remember thinking, this guy is,
you know, going to be an NFL player and was
really surprised at how underrated he was going both in
the actual NFL draft and in fantasy drafts later on.
So what he mars being the guy in Houston was
kind of the main takeaway for me. And then justin
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fields for my Jets, having the huge performance in the
losing effort just I don't know, disappointing, but it shows
that there's value in fields is kind of a weekly
must start if you have them. Regardless.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, it makes me feel a little foolish, as I said, like,
there's they're playing the Dolphins, but you don't know how
game flow is going to go either, you know, right right?
And but fields, the reason you play fields is for
that fourth and one touchdown run. And I think that
I think if you're going to like live that game
and play that game like your nerves, you gotta have
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the nerves of steel and just take the good with
the bad. And there was good and there could be
more good if the Jets are playing from behind like that.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I think some of it goes back to the old mentality.
And I have another point about the running back position
in a SEC is that the old Barry Sanders kind
of thing. It could be a really weird day, right
the zero three. Oh, it's a nice five yard game,
and then he'd shoot away for a sixty seven yard
touchdown run.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
It's like it was a miserable day until.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
That run, and now it looks brilliant and it takes
nothing away from the work he was doing. I'm not
trying to do that at all. But you know, it's
like we do how many picks in a week dan
from fantasy purposes or picks on a show for how
a game's gonna go. You can have a game right
ninety nine percent of the time and then one play
just blows it all up.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Suddenly a guy breaks off a seventy six yard touchdown
catch when he's been limited to three catches for nine
yards earlier in the day.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's like, see, you were wrong. He had four for
ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Man like, well, no, no, no, it's like I get it.
It all counts just the same, all where the l
but doesn't mean I wasn't on the money. The rookie
running back position. Out of our top twelve guys, we
had four rookies. Jent had the breakout against the Bears.
We had Woody Marx, O'maron Hampton for the second straight
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week had a big week, and then number twelve another
big effort from quin Shawn Judkins.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Interesting. They got the London game against the Vikings coming.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Up, that'll be a reason to watch it.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Dan, I don't know if it was going to be
Dylan Gabriel or should or Sanders. And we're not even
sure that right now who's going to be the quarterback.
Kevin Stefanski was a bit evasive about it, not necessarily
saying that Flacco was going to start. But we'll see.
Maybe if you hide him in London, the people won't
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notice as much if you have to play Dylan Gabriel
or should or Sanders. But going up against I mean,
it's going to be Gabriel if it's not flak.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Open going up against Brian Flores.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, yeah, that was the point that.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Sorry, didn't mean to jump in there.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
No, that's okay. Maybe we'll get a lot more of
Quinn Shawn Judkins.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Do you see the over under for this game?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Oh? I didn't.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Thirty six and a half and trending downwards.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
That's tough that that might be the lowest number well
that I've seen in recent memory.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You think about it, so you think, like, what the
Browns just did. I played David Montgomery in the league
this past weekend and nothing against the Cleveland Browns, and
you know, Cleveland still gave up thirty four points in
the game to Detroit, and there's you know, obviously Jamior
Gibbs has has his day. But if you're the Browns
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and you go in and you know your defensive front
and you try to shut down Jordan Mason of the Vikings,
so now you're relying on Carson Wentz or we're relying
on Dylan Gabriel's arm against that Brian Ford defense. I
can see why it's continuing to tread that tread down
from where.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
You just sold me to watch that game, and its
entirely my goodness.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I love me some defensive ends getting after it. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I just want to see what the Browns end zone
is going to look like. Again. I'm so enamored with
I've always been enamored with end zones. And on Sunday morning,
when we saw the Steelers and Vikings play that Vikings
end zone, the Vikings would make the super Bowl. That's
what it would look like in the end zone. They're
now using these templates for all of the international games.
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That's why we saw the Chargers in what their end
zone would look like. The Chiefs end zone that they
had in Brazil was the same exact end zone that
they've painted for Kansas City and the previous three Super Bowls.
The NFL has this template that they put together, and
I've always wondered what would the browns end zone look
like in a Super Bowl? And are they going to
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just put the browns helmet? Are they going to put
the little elf guy?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
That elf guy would be great?
Speaker 5 (25:58):
We'll never know.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Unfortunately, Well, no, we will know if.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
They do the end zones. That's what I'm saying is
these these international games now have allowed us the opportunity
to maybe see what a browns end zone in the
super Bowl would look like.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
So that's what I can do an alternate reality.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yeah, I like that. Yeah, We've we've gone into a
different earth for this one. I would be remiss though.
Right off the Monday night game. Those Dolphin uniforms, what
do you think.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I hated them?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah? I told in before the pod that I think
that the Jets looked good under the lights and the
white and the grass and the contrast to them. And
I don't know if it was because of the Dolphins'
colors and how they were, but I thought the Jets
actually looked better than the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I just I just didn't like the black. I just don't.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
It's not their color, and it doesn't go at all.
I get that it's a special addition, and you know,
oftentimes those will have some complete alternate color scheme that
doesn't necessarily go with the team, but it was just
so jarringly opposite to what they are, because they're usually
so right and colorful, you know, light blue, deeal white, orange,
and then just suddenly just black.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
They brought out their meanness against that jet I guess, so.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, I got a quick running back question for you guys.
Washington ends up doing the split backfield with a Bill
across Geame mat and Chris Rodriguez. Mariota is obviously there,
but maybe not their running threat. Jayden Daniels coming back
is going to improve things. But is there any value
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in this Washington backfield right now? Do you go Rodriguez?
Do you go Bill? I mean, obviously there's no no Eckler,
but Atlanta ran over them. I just am wondering if
the commanders have any sort of value in that backfield.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Back into flex if desperate.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I mean, Rodriguez is going to be a guy that's
going to get picked up a bunch just because of
able bodies and share counts, just you know, touches, targets,
all that fun stuff. We talk about desperate bedfellows. We
look at what Scatibo was able to do a little
bit against the Chargers this last week, So maybe you
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look to the battering ram a bit, but anything beyond like,
I got to think your roster, you still have two
healthy backs that yeah, I have to beat that. You know,
depending on the depth and how how deep your benches are,
then it becomes the all right, I'll add him going
back to the old even if they're terrible, opportunity means something.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
It's it's funny. And the reason why I brought it
up because we're talking about running backs. But think of
what Washington has been over the last you know, month
or two. So we thought we had the backfield. Then
we found out that Brian Robinson was not going to
be there anymore.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, not like otherwise.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I mean from just a straight standpoint of ability, how
how is he worse than anybody they still That's.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
What I'm wondering. Like, that's so like Eckler goes down,
But we didn't think Eckler would be their workhorse. Anyway,
we just knew that he had a role. And then
we hear about Crosskey Merritt. I know that there were
some questions about his health as well, but yeah, I
just I don't necessarily know the plan. Yeah, and and
and I'll bring up another point and I can't remember
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who was talking about it. And I apologize because this
is not an original thought of mine, But somebody made
the point of how Kyler Murray plateaued in Arizona with
Cliff Kingsbury as the coach. So when they team up
and they draft Kyler Murray and they go to a
you know, a play have a playoff berth, you know
one year that hey, things are things are going to
(29:47):
be different around here. And then maybe it was Murray's injury,
maybe it was whatever, But Kyler Murrays kind of been
the same guy. And I'm just worried, Like offensive wise,
like we thought everything for the Commanders, there were a
lot of ex expectations. I didn't have as high expectations
as other people did, even on our pick sheet in
there put Commanders miss playoffs. But I just wonder if
(30:07):
that's going to start to trickle in the things. It's
unfair to say right now without Jayden Daniels there, but
I don't know what running game they're going to have.
Terry mclaurin's now injured. Yeah, I just I think there
could be some issues in one.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
No, I think there's definitely a trickle down effect. Now
you're helped only by the fact, I guess when we
start looking at the larger playoff picture and wildcards or
whatever that look Dak Prescott's played magnificent football. Davonte Williams
for a couple of weeks been magnificent. George George Pickens
to this point is great. We'll see how fast CD
LAMB can get back. Fergerson's been great. But they're not
(30:41):
a very good team at all. Like, defensively they're atrocious.
They might be good enough to win shootouts and be
in the mix, but you know, they're an A f thought.
The Giants will be more interesting, But how many games
are they winning?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Right, So for Washington, we expected a regression or a
I'm in lockstep with you that that was gonna happen. Right,
all those one score games, even if you win only
half of them, that it probably pushes you to the
edge of the playoff fringe, but receiving wise, you're banking
on Deebo. It goes back to the Kyler Murray kind
of thing. You have that turbo kind of thing going
(31:18):
on for a few weeks and then he becomes just
a guy. And even this year, Kyler doesn't have the
turbo thing necessarily running the ball. But that's a whole
other conversation for another time. But like with Deebo Samuel,
generally you get eight or nine really good games and
then he's partially injured or he's out all together, and
you're banking on him to be a big component of
(31:38):
what your passing game is. Right now, that's a dangerous proposition.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
They come to La to face the Chargers in week five,
then Mike, they have your Bears on Monday Night Football,
and then the Cowboys and then there's the Chiefs, Seahawks,
and Lions, with a date with the Broncos and Vikings
lingering not long after that.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
It's a lot of top end defense.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah yeah, it is the.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Others that are starting to get guys healthy.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah yeah. In those that's what Washington's got gotta deal with.
And funky schedule where they you know, play the Eagles again,
at the end of the season. But that's that's ways
a way. But for the immediate future, yeah, it's it's
it's a little more than fifty to fifty for some
of those tough defenses. Yeah all right, so a little
look at week four what we've got. Let's take a
(32:25):
look at our report cards. Next, Michael tell us how
his rankings did give him a pluses. I hope he
doesn't fail himself. I'll tell you how Points of Pulse
and the Survivor worked out. And Ian's got his streaming defenses.
That's next here, and I want your flex. All right,
did we lead you on the path of success or
(32:45):
did we lead you astray? It's time for us to
reveal our report cards for week four. He's Mike Carmon,
that's Ian Roddy. I'm Dan Byer. This is how I
want your flex. Mike, how did you grade out in
your week four rankings and not plays in gold Source?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
We had a good mixed I would say at the
running back position, we cooked, no pun intended I cook
being the number one running back. But the top five
guys I gave you all finished seventh are better, all right,
so I'll take the win there right, Cook, CMC Bjon
Bijean Jacobs and Gibbs some chalk, but you know what
(33:21):
you get no Laurel Crown for out running a burrow.
So sometimes you take the chalk from the quarterback position.
Very odd, you know, when you look at some of
the usual suspects and talking about the middling efforts. You know,
obviously Lamar Leaves injured, but twenty seventh on the day
Caleb Williams following up that huge effort, I had him
(33:43):
in the top five. He finished twenty third, but I
got a couple of w's in that. I gave a
magnificent seven, and you know, Patrick Mahomes finishes third, Drake
May finishes eighth, and then obviously Josh Allen doing Josh
Allen things. So we'll take the w's there. Two of
our top three wide receivers made it there. Pukin de Kua,
(34:03):
I might just put him in ink. I'm throwing the
pencil out for him as well as I'm on Ross
Saint Brown because he just continues to be magnificent. And
then I was overly optimistic on Garrett Wilson. But the
fact that he's still finished, I think what was it
eleventh on the week.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I mean he's a Jet.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
I get point points for that well, and he got
called for that push off. That still just ticks me
off to no things they never call ever in football.
And there you go, Jets, Jets Man, Jets show thirteen penalties,
the guy fielding the fair punt that the two do
we want to do that while we're at now just kidding.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
How about on the hot plays.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Bo Nicks finished as your fifth quarterback, Jordan Love as
the sixth, and Rock Purty twelfth. So I'll take w's
on all of those guys we had. Let's see Hampton
as a hot play. He finished seventh among running backs,
so we got w's there for the LS. No, and
then Derrick Henry that's my last will take and then
(35:06):
we'll look at some of some of the l's. Dak
Presscott finishing first overall, no no, no good for me.
Gino Smith is a ninja twenty third, no good. We
did have a lave hey, he's got a lot of targets,
not today. So he finishes thirty fourth, and then Thornton
against Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Here's your opportunity.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Now he finished thirty ninth on the day and Drake
London had himself a day against Washington, like the volume
of targets had been there but hadn't exceeded fifty five
receiving yards, he said, beat at Harmon and finished sixth overall.
So yeah, a little bit of a mixed bag. There
were a couple other ws, but yeah, all in all,
(35:49):
I feel pretty good through four weeks of the season,
feeling on steady ground that we're starting to really learn
who these.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Teams are and streaming defenses. He gave us three an
zero for a one for three, two for three or
a perfect ledger. What do you got?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
We'll call it a two for three, and we'll start
with the outlier negative, which was the Commanders. They ended
up losing you a point if you ended up taking
my advice there, so I apologize. They allowed thirty four points.
They did get an interception and a sack to salvage
it a little bit, though, so there was that class
half full point of view. But not for the good.
(36:26):
We had the Chicago Bears, Yeah, exactly, they got you
nine points twenty They allowed twenty four points, but like
you said, thank you, Gino. They intercepted him three times
and recovered a fumble. It's a big day for the
Bears defense. And then the New England Patriots they got
you ten points, they were the best play of the three,
only allowed thirteen points and they.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Got a sack as well.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
So I would say it's a successful day two out
of three, but we will look to go three for
three next week.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Special team score for the Patriots in that win.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Forgot to mention that yeap, yes, yes, huge.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Well that's a plus. Good job starting out with the
bad news, giving us the good news at the end.
I will take that advice. My points of Palosa was
Dolphins Jets, and I felt like we almost could have
gotten there. Maybe if Tyreek Hill doesn't get injured. I'm
not sure, but the Jets playing a bit of a
frantic way made that made that a modest game. Was
(37:21):
probably the middle of the road for the week. It's
just tough the top a forty forty tie like that,
there's just when you have that you just kind of
throw up the arms and say, all right, whatever whatever.
But if you look around the league, a lot of
forty seven totals forty eight, forty nine, and the Dolphins
and Jets at least at least held their own.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Well, they hit the over Dan, so you at least
got that.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Better than what we saw in New York or New Jersey.
It met life between the Chargers and Giants and some
other affairs around the league. But was hoping for a
bit of a sleeper so missed on the points of palooza.
Survivor picks. We are good. We were through. Said that
the Lions and Bills were the easy picks, that you
(38:05):
could take those picks and feel fine about them. Obviously,
Bills had a little bit of a struggle with the Saints,
but they win any advance. But there's going to be
opportunities where you could use the Bills and Lions maybe
later on in the season, so take advantage of some
of your matchups. I recommended New England against the Panthers.
That was a pick. And I recommended the Texans over
the Titans, and they won in shutout fashion twenty six
(38:29):
to nothing. So congratulations if you've moved on. And it's interesting, guys,
I'm in two separate survivor pools. One's got a little
bit higher buy in, and I think that there's more
savvy people maybe in that pool. Texans were the number
one overall pick in that for this week's selections. So
(38:49):
I think people were catching on Titans on the road
Texans still looking for their first win in the other pool,
and I don't want to say that they're not as savvy,
but I just think it's a bunch of people who
have signed up the Bills were the obvious, that were
the most chosen team.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Really use them this week. That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, that's it's as I said, like, it's easy to
look at a fifteen point spread and say, all right,
I'll take that because one of the most notorious, one
of the most notorious survivor beats was that Jacksonville game
a few years ago. Remember when the Bills were like
a seventeen or eight point favorite. They go to Jacksonville
and they end up losing that game, and I think
(39:31):
it was probably one of the bigger upsets that we've
had in NFL history, just because the spread was so big.
But you know, those games, you're not gaining a lot
on the field. I actually think that even if you're correct,
you're kind of stepping back because you've lost a better team.
And this coming week that we've gotten Week five. So
when we do the pot at the end of the week.
(39:51):
There are some games where you can pick teams, but
there's not necessarily that obvious pick that you're going to
get outside of maybe a game or two, so that
Survival played that.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Game right or something like that.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yeah, just like a Miserable a Miserable watch too, not
beyond beyond the idea of the big upset, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, it's you know, the Survivor pools are interesting and
so there's like the group think on it. Probably both
pools had the same top seven teams, but it was
just different to see on who was on top, who
was who was different. People lost on the Packers. By
the way, if you're wondering on that, if your team ties, yeah,
(40:33):
you know they didn't win there. There didn't work So
it didn't work out for you there. But yeah, tie
is not going to save you. So that's a big hit.
And a lot of people took the Chargers, which is
tricky because it's a West Coast team on the road
one o'clock eastern, and even with Jackson Dart, you're saying yourself, okay,
maybe that could work, but that spread was still only
six and a half, which I think told people something
(40:55):
to maybe stay away. But some people got burned by
that in the in the survivoral.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Three big point spreads for Week five, everything else fields
the right around what we got?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
What are we looking at?
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (41:07):
You got Detroit ten and a half at Cincinnati. Okay,
Arizona nine and a half at home against Tennessee, and
Buffalo's a seven and a half home favored against New England.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I would stay away from that Bill's game.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
No, I'm thinking the same thing you are over Unders
sitting at a robust forty nine and a half.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, I think like again, I think Buffalo is a
good team, like I do, and I think that everything
has gone their way so far. But I don't know
if they're five and oh good, and sometimes these things,
just like the Chargers, I think the Chargers are a
really good football team. I don't know if they were
four and oh good, you know, and their loss just
happened to be against the Giants. Maybe they should have
(41:51):
lost to the Chiefs, maybe they should have lost to
the Broncos. But I think that kind of it's the
old Bill Parcells, like your record says who you are.
But I think that with the Bills right now, things
have gone their way they have this easy stretch three
home games. You're gonna play four home games the first
five weeks of the season, and so they're making their
hay now. But I'm not sure if they're five and
(42:12):
oh good. We'll find out in week five. But we'll
talk about that for another day. We've got some waiver
wire picks. Do you want to get in some waiver
wire p Yeah, let's knock some in episode wraps up.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
As we look at the board, you know, you immediately
start looking for other help at wide receiver because of
the injuries we were talking about. So Darius Slayton, Look,
he's an oldie, but a goodie. But again we're looking
for targets. We're trying to find help for Wandell Robinson
and for Jackson Dart as he emerges even further. And
we got to shore things up. You got a couple
(42:47):
of guys that are gonna gonna get picked up, but
they're bye week guys like Romeo Dubs, right, he was
a guy that had had a big week, Jalen Tobert
against the Jets. Potential for him to have himself a
little bit of a higher workload. You look at we
talked about Chris Rodriguez talked about woody marks, guys that
(43:09):
are going to be flying off the board. Kenneth Gainwell
has a bye week, but no idea what the deal
is with Warren at this point and whether the trust
of Caleb Johnson is going to be there coming out
of the bye week and what he eats into for
the workload eventually. But gain Well with a huge day
in that game against the Vikings, so we'll see more
(43:31):
of him as we go forward as well. But you know,
we look at the wide receiver position and that's kind
of where we concentrate I think based on the injuries
that we saw fellas that you know, we look at
depth charts and trying to find the diamonds in the rough.
And you know, Chris Godwin got picked up in a
(43:53):
lot of leagues, still available in about a third as
he gets back into full health, perhaps a bigger work
glode for him. Marvin Mims had the had the rushing touchdown.
I don't know what week to week we'll see because
you're still battling beyond Sutton. You've got Troy Franklin there,
but a guy that maybe it becomes a stash if
(44:15):
you've got a deeper roster opportunity for it. Luther Burden
in Chicago seems to be again bye week this week,
but going forward that he'll draw a bigger share because
they like the effort he gives in the blocking part
of the equation. So there and then to the old
fun of the tight end position. Just really quickly as
(44:39):
we look at it, Isaiah likely came back. Not a
massive game, you know, out of the gates, but but
just the idea of if Lamar Jackson is going to
miss time, sure, we're trying to find viable targets and
guys who could become part of a short passing game.
And then going back to Denver guy that has had
(45:01):
success in the past. Finally healthy for for week four
is Evan Ingram, so perhaps his share count, especially for
red zone purposes, comes into play.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I mean Mark Andrews. So the Ravens had seven catches
for thirty yards against the oh Man. We'll talk about
aj Brown the next episode.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
Oh boy, Yeah, lots to say there. You want to
do some dramatic readings, guy.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I'll tell you what. But the most shocking stat line
for me was Andrew seven for thirty I don't know
why it just stood out stood out to me. But yeah,
I think if you want to you want to have
some plays, maybe the the younger likely could be the option.
That's after Andrews had the good game against the Lions,
or he got in the end zone a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
No, that's it right, the ebb and flow. But we've
talked about that with the tight end position, right, the
boomer bust. I mean, look at Tucker Kraft, right, one
guy that we we should just make mention of, really
fat for fantasy purposes. What do you have an eight
points week when it could have been a twenty point week.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Sure, a couple of.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Down inside the one one that seemed a bit suspect
in terms of how quickly that review came through and
how it gets overturned. But uh, you know, but for
the grace of a couple of inches, that's two touchdown catches.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Yeah, and a monster week.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Right, Yes, that's I was. I was playing against him
and Josh Jacobs. Oh wow, by the way, so like
when he doesn't get in, then it's okay, Josh Jacobs,
you take it. Yeah, Oh well all right, that's it
for I want your flax. We're gonna have another episode
coming up tomorrow, and then we'll have your Week five
preview a little bit later on in the week, hopefully
we'll find out more about the status of some of
(46:44):
these injured players. Again, an early week with the Rams
and Niners and Rock Purty status up in the air,
plus a bye week, so you'll want to prepare for
that with the Steelers, Packers, Bears, and Falcons all on
by So for Ian Roddy and Mark Carman, I'm Dan Byer.
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