August 12, 2023 • 34 mins
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
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Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, Arnie, I was gonna say, should I be upset
that Ben Mallard drove right by my house like eight
miles from me and then stop the even sale load
to me?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, that sounds like a you problem you bring to America.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Now, by for crying out loud, I mean he's up
a here in the in the Northeast. He went from
Boston to Main that's like a like a two hour
that's one hundred and thirty miles. So he could have
stopped over and said, hello.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Were you tracking his whereabouts? Like you were Norad and
he was Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, he cause he goes, how far are you from?
I'm like, oh, boy, a couple of hours because oh,
that's just too far. I can't make it. That's too far.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Can't do it well, I mean, other than filling out
giant legal pads to talk to me, what did you
have to do today?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Busy man, I got a lot of stuff going on,
fillting with you. I was very busy, right.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But over the course of the day before the the
throes of I mean, maybe you're watching a little bit
of Premier League, which came back to Action. Yeah, that's
Holland getting after it very quickly, or getting ready for
the next parts of the Women's World Cup. Maybe you
were getting into that or just getting your bets down
on your NFL preseason action. Seems like you could have
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gotten a car and found a way to, you know,
maybe solve the distance issue between you and Ben Maller.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
He come out to Vermono. It's the first time out
here at the northeast. Come up to Vermont. I'll show
you around. No, No, too far for him to make
the left hand turn there and to come up here.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, he was already that far. Yeah, you could have
bent a little bit. And you know I'm busy.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I told you I'm busy.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Well, you know he was busy too. He had a
lot of meat and greets or something to do.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I don't know, that's for sure he did.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Again, I'm not tracking the man's whereabouts. I just knew
he was off this week and having himself a vacation.
So enjoy your time at Ben mallor for all of
his whereabouts, Arnie. That was also said for you, so
you can, you know, send another message to Ben directly
to the lament the fact that you guys didn't meet
up and you weren't able to cajole him into buying
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you a sandwich or whatever the hell you were looking.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Well, he said, he texted me, he goes and s Ben.
I wrote, Ben, who, who the hell?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
See, that's what you did.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I didn't know he was in geez agitated.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
We were talking earlier about boxing rings or whatever. We're
gonna put you and Mallard in the ring to get
you there there it is all right. Freddie Freeman with
another RBI for the Dodgers. Ear on, Fernando Valenzuela night,
He's gonna do everything he can to chase down Ronald
Lecunya Junior for the MVP in the National League. We've
got the Broncos now on top of the Cardinals seven
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to nothing. We spoke about him briefly a little bit
earlier in the show. Arnie Russell Wilson starting the game
and rolling into the second quarter. YEP, a huge twist
in turn of events here in the National Football League
twenty twenty three. So many starters at least getting their
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feet wet, getting a series or two. In this case,
Russell Wilson. Sean Payton decided, all right, we're gonna watch
this offense roll a bit and I've got to see
some positivity before you get to sit down. Finally throws
the touchdown pass and yes it's that man, Jayed Judy
to catch his forty yards and a score for him.
Wilson for the night, seven of thirteen ninety three yards
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and a touchdown as the Broncos had that seven zero
lead over Arizona. But it speaks I think a little bit, Arnie.
We've got sixteen new offensive coordinators, own the handful of
new head coaches, but we half the league changed out
their coordinators this year.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I didn't know it was that many, to be honest
with you.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
So we're looking at a major seismic shift in the NFL,
which to me would make sense that you'd see more
of the starters out there and trying to get some
reps in live game action as opposed to just running
your practice time and again. And well, we all joined
practice in that fun. But we saw Sean McVay. We're
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gonna see Frostburg's got him tomorrow, right, you got Chargers
and Rams. You're gonna see some of the starters in
that game. He was one of the guys that led
the push towards everybody doing Operation Shutdown. And then one
of the great stats for Patrick Mahomes under Andy Reid
forty nine touchdowns, four picks in his September games. And
then the second half, Mike, it's gonna be a rematch
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of the College Football Championship, Max Duggin and Stenson, Oh,
Stetson Bennett getting after it. There you go.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
He looks good, though Stet's Abed. I can't wait to
see what he's gonna throw it down a little better
for Max doug In this time. Yeah, you know, just
a couple of things of him. You know, on Russell,
he was getting banged around. He was always supposed to
play the first quarter and the drive he was on,
uh got pushed into the second and then they brought
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him back for another series because he didn't put any
points on the board and they had to punt the ball.
And you're right, he's like, we gotta get some positivity
out of you. In the first preseason game, I mean,
they're playing the Stinke and Cardinals, for crying out loud,
and they were having trouble moving the ball. The Cardinals
were putting a lot of pressure on them, so I
really think they said, you got to show us something
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and let's leave it some positive positive though. That's that's
why they still had about there. We he got hit
a couple of times there. You know for the preseason
he was he was getting smacked around a little bit. Mike.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Well, you know what, you got to take those lumps
early because you get it all on tape and now
you can start to evaluate your offensive line, which is
supposed to be one of the strengths of your squad.
You've got a wide receiving corps and Judy and Sutton. Obviously,
losing Tim Patrick for another year is a huge blow
to what they were trying to do. You've got Javonte
Williams coming back off of his injury, so a lot
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of moving parts as they get ready for this season.
But after getting his chest he as Sean Payton did,
going back on Hacket and all that, right, We joked
about it the night that that first happened and said, well,
I guarantee you he's gonna blame all the hot take nonsense.
He was around at Fox. What were the first words
out of his mouth? Oh, I must have had my
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thoughts and then and then he never really apologized, No
he did. I never apologize.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I against him. I don't think they're gonna have a
good year. I'm not believing this Russell was gonna turn
it around. And he's you know, he's the next uh uh,
you know, great coach out there that's gonna bring in
some Super Bowls. I don't buy it at all for
them at all.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, all about the you know new guy in town.
We're turning everything upside down there. Yeah, the during their
preseason games. I don't want any photo opportunities, bucket hats
and all of those things. No music at practice, right.
They didn't have the local media out there, uh, you know,
broadcasting their radio shows as they have in years past,
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which is too bad because it's a really cool setup.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
It's all about. That's what preseason is all about, having
the media out there and broadcasting there and and you
know being you know, trying to be the harsh attitude
like Eric Bienemy and all that. That doesn't work. You
realize that doesn't work at all nowadays.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Well, the the enemy thing to me is interesting, right
because obviously you've got Andy Reid on one side back
in Kansas City and the enemy and we can get
into the debates of why he wasn't a head coach,
why he didn't do this whatever, and now he's in
Washington and if the report is legitimately, Hey, he's being
hard on us and he's pushing us. Right, Sometimes you
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need to be hard on people and push them.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
But I guess a lot of people are complaining too bad.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Like unless he's throwing footballs at him, you know, like, hey,
you screwed that up. You're doing stuff like when I
was a kid, they'd hit you over the head with
a whistle or grab you by the face mask saying no,
you need to be over here, and they drag you
into somebody else's helmet. Unless he's doing that or just
demeaning them as men, which I've seen many a coach. Dude,
I don't like just coaching them hard to try to
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get drills right. I need more specificity. If you're going
to try to get me on the player's side of it.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Let me ask you this. Does that mean? Is this
the reason why he hasn't gotten the head coaching job?
The is it the way he interviews? And the bigger
problem is if that's what's keeping you from being a
head coach, you think you'd change your ways. Well, but
that's the thing, right is by way or the highway.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
But we've also talked about this about a lot of players, right,
I mean, look at the Johnny Manzel story which has
you know, the documentary and his interview and all of
the stuff that came out of.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Well, that's crazy, that zero film, that's insane.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
But let me take it Kyler Murray. We're watching the Cardinals.
Obviously he's not playing, he's on the comeback trail. But
another guy who a lot of his work ethic was
questioned what happened. He was a guy with great success,
a Heisman winner, top ten pick and two sports and
immediately came in and had pretty good success in the NFL.
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Are you going to necessarily change your work habits if
you're having success.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Well, you're having success, but you know, when you go
up another level, you have to do what it takes,
and you have to do film. You cannot do one
second of film though, Mike, Well, no, no, I'm not
excusing it, Lardie.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I'm just trying to, you know, from an explanation of
if everything's come easy to you, I mean, take it
to school. I mean, I'm sure you were a super genius,
of course, no problem, no question about it. All of
a sudden something got hard, whatever that subject was, and
a lot of people don't know how to react. I
remember my high school days, right. I went to a
prep school in downtown Chicago, a pretty good school. They
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know that my dad worked his ass off to get
us through there, right, expensive and all that stuff, And
did I feel like I belonged to half time. No,
but I had to bust my hump to keep my
grades up and all of that.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Really, I would just take a W so I wouldn't
hurt my GPAs well.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
But I had I had a lot of friends right
where they were overachievers, yeah, and really good in the classroom.
But when it came to standardized tests, they froze right right,
and all of a sudden, all that hard work and
whatever else, something was difficult, something didn't make sense, something
they couldn't prepare one hundred percent for absolutely threw them
for a loop. And that happens. That happens in every
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sport you play, every business circumstance that you get into,
Suddenly there's a variable added to the equation that changes it.
If you've always had success doing it one way, I
have great intuitive skills, and my athletic skills are off
the chart, and wait, suddenly there's film prep that I
gotta do, and I've got to be in the office
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an extra four hours a day and all of that stuff.
You know, like we we don't just open mouths.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
See, So there's got to be a middle point here
between the enemy and the players. I mean, so many
players are complaining Mike there. I mean, it wasn't just
like one or two people. I'm sure it was. It
was a lot more than that.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, let me ask what the hell kind of operation
they were running last year? If it's that egregiously different.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Well, obviously maybe a little bit soft.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Did everybody walk over them? It's like, oh, it's okay,
you'll catch the next one, buddy. You got to pat
them on the back of the shoulders.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I mean, come on, they weren't that. I mean, this
team was a playoff team. What a couple of years.
They don't act like they're at owing seventeen team.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
No, but they've had an organization mired in in problems.
The owner just got deposed, Right, you look at the
on field product and you've had some bright spots. Mcglory.
That's a good player. Robinson's a big player. They're excited
a little bit about Sam Howell and what he brings
to the table. But Ron Rivera's as far as coaches go,
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he's a jag. He's just a guy.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I like him.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I like Ron rivera old school guy to a point.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
But now, but he also kind of, you know, didn't
didn't do any favors in talking about the situation with
aby enemy right as he met the media and kind
of talked about it. You know, back your guy. You know,
he's he's trying to get the best out of them,
and maybe they're not used to a little bit of
tough love.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I agree with John that you need to back your guy.
That I agree with you one. But maybe even he's like, hey,
I got him with my players on this one. He's
he's pushing them just a little bit too hard. But
could you look, this isn't the days of to days,
you know what I mean though? Is long gone.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And that's the other thing that that's the CBA, and
and that's you know, from a product standpoint, we can
we can talk about how the the product is maybe
inferior in some places because of the extra off days,
the lack of two days. And I'm not saying you
need to go do this second practice in one hundred
degree heat and.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Letron maybe they're healthier too and they don't get hurt
when they do.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
But also you're you're in a film room longer. Maybe,
but like a lot of that in the CBA gets
legislated out, so you change how you have to process,
and you've got to get stuff done on the practice
field a lot quicker. So that's what I'm saying, But
it doesn't take the place one hundred percent of on
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field reps. Right, So the enemies looking at it, going,
I got a running clock here, and if we can't
get this bass play down, guess what, we don't get
to this, this, this, or this. So, yeah, you might
have to be a little bit of a hard ass
to get guys to understand the gravity and the time
sensitivity of what you're trying to.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, I don't. I don't respond the hard ass. Well,
you know what I mean. That's just me, especially when
I've had some bosses yelling at me and screaming over
to me. Didn't respond very well to stuff like that. People,
some people, just nowadays players coming into the NFL don't
respond to that type of coaching, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
No, I'm not saying that you're berating them and tearing them.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Down Bobby ni style.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, I mean, look, we don't need to go to
that level, but certainly you know the all right, they'll
be Okay. Participation trophy for a practice kind of situation
is not where I want to go either.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
It's got not have to be one or the other.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
That's wow, But that's just it. Everybody needs to figure
out where that happy medium is. Hey, coming up next,
we're gonna get into your favorite world gambling one billion dollars.
That's the report, and some of the guys on the
tour decided, Hey, it's time to take fire at Phil Mickelson.
He's already spann your in for Jason Smith. I'm Mike
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Speaker 2 (15:02):
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Speaker 3 (16:09):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio. Jason Smith Show with
Me Mike Harmon Live Forthetirac dot Com Studios. No Jason
Smith tonight in his stead Bye Guy the Stink of Genius.
Arnie Spanier. You hear him Sunday Nights alongside Chris Plank.
Honored to have him in here. He's a legend Hall
of Famer in my mind anyway, and certainly in his
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to ask, how are your picks doing tonight? I know
that is a big part and a big component of
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what you do with Plank on Sunday nights normally giving
a lot of entertainment to our guys, Steve Desager during
those processes. But you know, how are you picks tonight?
In preseason? I know you were really proud of yourself
going three and oh to open the ex.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Pre season is the free season when you're taking teams.
I was three and oh coming in. I was owing
one on over under's the listeners will let me forget
that one, but three and oh on the side picks,
I had Cleveland minus three and they're gonna lose. They're
down seventeen nine in the Washington so that's gonna be
a loser. And I had Denver minus three and a
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half against Arizona. They're gonna go in the halftime and
it's going to be a ten to nothing lead for
the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I just nailed a fifty five yarder.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I love it. I love it so eleven decads left
actually in the first half. It's ten nothing Broncos. There.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Hey, that's worth five point five points. If you're in
a fantasy.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Leaguer, look at you.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
You're ready for Hey, I've already done several drafts. I
have two more going right now. Slow drafts Guilletine leagues.
We should get it to Guiante Guaranteed League, going for
the hosts. And yes, everybody here, yes you know what
that is. No, but I'm ready to do it. So
your draft to squad and the lowest scoring team each
gets cut all their players going away, so you could
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be out in week one.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
No, no, no, I don't like that one. I thought
you were talking real guillotine.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well, I mean we could do that. I mean, that's
a whole other thing. We got to look in talk
to legal about that one.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Speaking of getting guillotine, how about Arney's Dolphins tonight? Yeah,
no touchdowns?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Is it over?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
It was over? It was the early game.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
They no, no, no, no, no. I mean you know, are
you already abandoning your team?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Are you going jump onto someone else's bandwagon Sunday night
when you joined playing.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I'm not bad, but I'm not jumping off the ball wagon.
I'm I'm still okay with their offense, a little concerned
about the secondary. But there's no doubt we'll win the division.
I promise you that. Well, we'll win about twelve games
this year, maybe thirteen. Okay, So you you say that
with such sarcasm.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
And I do because I got Smith on the other side.
Every night we're going fourteen and three. That's a lot
of winning going on.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
You gotta pen, you gotta pat on you, Mike. Write
this down when you say you could have for how
are you gonna have fourteen wins when you're gonna start
the season one and six? Do the math on that.
Write that down and can you figure out how you
can have fourteen wins?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, I don't say I believe. I'm just saying you
guys are all chesty, like your mouthpieces for your respective teams.
He's fireman Jason, and you're walking around like your ace Ventura.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
The Jets. It's gonna the fans will turn on that
team real quick. Maybe two wins. Have you seen their
schedule for the beginning of the year. It is murderous,
absolutely murderous. There's no easy there's like one easy game.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
So they're not at least based on what perception is. Well,
I'm telling where world changes on a dime in the NFL,
as we know, Arnie, No.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
You you could tell, which is like if you look
at them, they play the Bills, so you know that's
gonna be tough. To go at Dallas, so there's zero
and two right off the bat. They're weiki the the
Patriots at home, so that will be a win. Then
they play the Chiefs, so there's another loss.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It's my favorite type of radio. Let's go through them,
just kidule.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I'm just giving you the first six games.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Did you want to go through all seventy while we're
at a two seventy two?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Come on, you know, I'm just so it's gonna be
lucky if they win two games out of their first seven.
I still think one and six though, it's gonna be
a tough go for them. At the beginning of this.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
You know what coming up next hour, our buddy Todd
Furman is gonna join us live from Vegas, mutual friend
of yours and mind going on many years here on
the network, Todd the Saint of a Man, the Bet
the Board Podcast. We'll ask him that, you know, how
he expects the start of that season to go for
the Jets, and how much he loves hard knocks, but
talking about betting a lot made of Phil Mickelson. This
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new Billy Walters book coming out, and all of the
discussion points CBS broadcasters and getting the these signals from
him as to whether he thought he could, you know,
make a putt or you know what he was doing,
hold a hole and getting odds and yeah, I'm feeling
good about this one. Now I'm not feeling all of
that stuff. And also some allegations that while he was
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trying to place a massive bet on himself during the
twenty twelve Ryder Cup, Mickelson took to x it looks weird.
Not even saying Twitter anymore in parentheses, but quote, while
it's well known that I always enjoy a friendly wager
on the course, I would never undermine the integrity of
the game. I have also been very open about my
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gambling addiction. So addiction is a word that you know,
we were using here and even Phil does. But folks
do it for entertainment purposes, not only just hey, I'm
making picks, you know, to entertain you, but also for
the idea that all right, I have a little bit
of action makes the game I may not care about
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otherwise a little more engaging. Don't necessarily go into the
problems that folks get with gambling, but certainly understand the concerns,
and they have plenty of stories and knowledge of people
that have had those issues, aren't he. But with Phil,
the number that really rang true and really broke through
for everybody sports media and the world at large was
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that he'd bet over a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Amazing. I don't know if I really even streak of that.
I don't know if you could do that. I look,
he must have had some serious bets going down. You
hear some stories. I don't know if you know who.
Chad forty is an old time radio guy I do
work with Steve Hartman. Was Hartman's right, he was. He
was the producer of Monday Night Football. At one point
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he had bet like every college football game and every
college basketball game. He just couldn't stop. But as to
what Phil did, look, I love Phil, I really do.
I like He's one of the reasons why I'll watch
golf and Phil's in the lead. I'm tuning on him.
And I'll never tell anybody what to do with their money.
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I mean, when you see Bill Gates spend millions of
dollars on a yacht or whatever it is, it's because
that's what they have. They have blank you money, they
can afford that stuff. But when I see that Phil
made a billion dollars in bets and lost what was it,
a hundred million dollars? I think to myself, and it's
not right for me to tell anybody how to spend
their money. But could you imagine the good he could
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have done with the hundred million dollars that he lost.
The money he could give to Maui, or money he
could help people or charities, and I'm sure he does
a lot of that to begin with anyway, but a
hundred million dollars could fix a lot of problems in
the world. And again, I don't want to tell you
how to spend your money.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I know that, but.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
That's fine, and I'm probably wrong for doing that because
it's his money. But you know what you ask, and
I'll say, gosh, even if you ask, Phil, could you
imagine if you had that one hundred million back so
you can help people. It's just the a lot of
money if you want to make friendly wagers. And you know,
and I know he makes a boatload of money.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
There's no doubt either, saying his career earnings are drifting
up towards a billion dollars as well when you add
in the live money and everything else.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, that's an insane amount of money. But geez, that's
a problem when you're betting that much. That really is
And look again, he makes.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
If he only lost one hundred million dollars, I would
say he really didn't.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Or you think that he's a good gambler because it's
not awful.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
That means he still has some liquidity in the game.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Right. Somebody did the math that they said, when you've
done that, you're pretty much picking at fifty percent and
what you're losing is the veig. Right.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
So if that's the case, he got his entertainment out
of it. He right. I got into a discussion with
about about it with Jason yesterday. He was really focused
on one line item, which was forty three baseball bets
in a day, and I laughed, I go, my brothers
and I if we go do a race card wherever
we are, they travel for the Triple Crown and something
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my family is always done. If you got enough simulcast
going down, you're betting over forty bets in a given
day easily. And I mean, look, you're doing.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
A billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
No, but I don't have a billion dollars to bet. Like,
if he's got the money to bet, and he can
cover it. It goes back to it's his money. How
do I tell him how to spend it?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Bet, you're enjoyment.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
You're just giving away one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Not giving it away. You know, you're absolutely wrong.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
What are you getting?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Hundred?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
But but you're invested for that whatever amount of time. Right,
if I go to the craps table in Vegas with
three hundred bucks whatever, we'll make it a fictional number,
you know what, for sake of argument, let's round it
up to five hundred bucks, and I get to play
for whatever, forty five minutes. Someone goes on a decent
run whatever. My cost of that attendance, that entertainment vehicle
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was forty five minutes of action for five hundred bucks.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Is that big difference though, between five hundred dollars in
one believe?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
But you're missing the point of the You're absolutely missing
the point.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
You say, but you get the enjoyment.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
But if I get the enjoyment out of the five
hundred bucks and it's gone, I didn't just throw it away.
I got my forty five minutes, and that was what
it was worth to me.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Right, you're getting that point can you really enjoy yourself
after you've lost one hundred million dollars?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Though over the course of what are we talking thirty years?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I don't know how many five years?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Right? I met him back in what nineteen ninety nine
at Pebble Beach, So, I mean, what are we talking
that's twenty four years ago?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
And do you believe he's not already bet on golf
one way or the other?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
That he didn't hurt nobody's believing that, Like we heard
rumors about that when he was a youngin right like
that there was always action on every hole and that's
not out of the norm, especially practice rounds and stuff.
Guys are betting all the time.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Well, we say, guys are bett No, the look, what's
going on in Iowa stated, that's a whole other I
know that whole other thing. Have we opened up a
whole can of worms with what's going on right now
with all the gambling and all the money we're bringing
in on that.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Or why it just I mean, you knew it was there, right,
It's another thing, Just like we talked about last hour,
floodgates open and folks have to now react instead of
having planned for it as an inevitability.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
And by the way, this is not new. When I
was a kid in high school, we had parlay cards.
Of course, there'd be one guy giving out parlay cards
and he'd pay everybody off until somebody hit a beg
and they'd be shut him down for the rest of it.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
That's just it, right. He had to pay off the
rest of his you know, living expense money he got
from financial aid or whatever mom and dad provided, and
then you didn't hear from him again until the next
season started when his bank roll was back.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
But that's a serious a lot of money. It shows
you what kind of addictive personality he has when you're
betting that type of money. That's insane out there. And
I heard the story about them going to like Vegas
for like a Sunday morning, you know NFL games. Phil
had a suite in with the Pollio. They had TVs
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for every game, and then he won like a million
dollars on the early games, what a little bit on
the afternoon games that went down to like the backrac
table lost a lot of it back then, you know,
had his own private jet. That that's some serious gambling
when you're doing stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
We've talked about it for years with Jordan and with
Barkley and all of these guys. If it's money, they
can quote unquote afford to lose, where's the harm? Right?
Other people have their vices, the things they love to
to do, They collect things, they they go to events, right,
they love live I love live events, and I know
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I probably spend a little more money on than I should.
But to me, it's the experience when I'm in a
pine box or you know, in an urn above someone's fireplace,
that money ain't sitting there with me.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
You asked me what the harm is? How do I
say there's no harm in losing one hundred million dollars? Though?
How do you possibly be saying no no harm in that?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
How's how's his mind? Money situation? Aren't he?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
That's? Is that really?
Speaker 5 (29:05):
All?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
What it comes down to is how his money situation is?
Or is it more than? He even says he's got
a gambling problem, right.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
But psychologically does he? Is he the worse off for it?
I guess only Phil can answer that. That's not me
or other people to decide. If Phil thinks he can
afford to gamble and with enough wins and losses, in
the end, it's he's lost a hundred million out of
a billion dollars in bets.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
He's done. Okay, well wait, do you think he maybe
you have lost endorsements because of his gambling problem. Do
you think he's lost me?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Well so now it's more than a okay, that's fine,
But again it's on him like you're you're you're just
coming down like you're the moral high authority on what
Phil Mickelson should do with his money.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You know, how dare you bet?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, it's so funny. But somebody who said in the
tweet that says, let me say, I'm not telling you
how to spend your money without telling you how to
spend your money over thirty years of who is an
average of the three million a year, And you're not
charrege changing the world with three million, or I would
have done it already. So yeah, when you look at
it like that, But you know, when they said one
hundred million, that's the money, that's the price. I'm looking
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at it.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Now, I get it. It's the large number and certainly
compound interest, right, your money's gonna double. Good mutual funds
over seven we can do all that. But you're missing
the point of the exercise. The man instead of doing
all the things you and I may enjoy. You know,
you couldn't even get in your car to drive to
meet your buddy Ben Maller, Right or two, you're gonna
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criticize the guy because he likes to gamble a bit.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
By the way, is this any different than if you
would have put one hundred million dollars in the stock
market and maybe lost half the money in the stock market.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Well, but that's my point, right, you picked the wrong investment.
Back the red horse. There, you're in the same boat,
and you didn't get a lot of action out of it.
You just watched a ticker instead of games. And now
you don't have people, you have boards of directors to blame.
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days of playing football from my grades school. Kendrick Green,
a third year offensive line alignment out of Illinois playing
for the Pittsburgh Steelers, always wanted to run the ball
in youth football. Problem is he had the red sticker
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on his helmet right signaled to everyone around him. He
wasn't allowed. Quote where I'm from, they give you a
red sticker when you're too heavy, so you can't run
the ball. You gotta play on the line. Look at
a little Mikey Harmon on the south side of Chicago.
Not a red sticker. It was I Look, I'm not
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much taller now than I was finishing fifth grade. I
had the stripe on my helmet and so worked with
my dad. We did some extra workouts and whatever, and
you know, I got under the weight limit so they
could take the stripe off. Pass got into pass receptions
(32:28):
right some back then mostly a run game, but occasionally
you'd trickle out as a tight end or get a
call as a fullback or whatever. And then we get
to the playoffs and what happens They challenge my weight.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Oh no, so you gotta do it all over. I
was a.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Quarter pound over. So the stripe came back. The indignity
we had put in a couple of plays where look,
because I was a big kid, I was running people
over once because I was just under the threshold of
that weight limit. So Mason Rudolph, this was in there,
uh practice under the lights the other day in Latrobe.
Obviously tonight you had the Steelers getting after it against Tampa.
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We'll get into that in earnest at about ten minutes
here along with the rest of the day's action in
NFL preseason. But Green got to catch a ball out
of the backfield from Mason Rudolph in front of the crowd.
So we got to live out a little bit of
that dream of touching the ball. But I never felt
hurry tales of that or yeah, a little bit kind
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of like that, right.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Right exactly. All the big guys love the catch touchdowns,
and that day.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Well we saw it with you know, the Patriots for years, right,
the Vrabel and none of touchdowns or something. A lot
of trickeration there, But for me, I started reading this
article and I'm just flashing back to the diet. I
went on the extra exercise, the steam rooms, all of
those things to pass the weight weight limit and get
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underneath it, only to have it challenged for the playoff games.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Was a third grade? Fourth grade? This?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
No, this would have been getting up to uh, this
would have been eighth grade. Wow, I was really good
on the offensive line, I'll take it. At that point,
I was smarter than everybody. So I just read where
guys were gonna go, and I just swam past them
on the defensive side, and certainly offensively they had their tendencies,
but I also wanted to be part of the offense
touching the ball, so we got creative.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
What could have been for you could have been well.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I also didn't grow so for high school, the coaches
were all like, yeah, we can get you to uh,
to look like a fire plug, and kind of intimating
what they would give me to do that. I was
out on it, Arnie, I was out on it.
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Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, Arnie, I was gonna say, should I be upset
that Ben Mallard drove right by my house like eight
miles from me and then stop the even sale load
to me?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, that sounds like a you problem you bring to America.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Now, by for crying out loud, I mean he's up
a here in the in the Northeast. He went from
Boston to Main that's like a like a two hour
that's one hundred and thirty miles. So he could have
stopped over and said, hello.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Were you tracking his whereabouts? Like you were Norad and
he was Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, he cause he goes, how far are you from?
I'm like, oh, boy, a couple of hours because oh,
that's just too far. I can't make it. That's too far.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Can't do it well, I mean, other than filling out
giant legal pads to talk to me, what did you
have to do today?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Busy man, I got a lot of stuff going on,
fillting with you. I was very busy, right.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But over the course of the day before the the
throes of I mean, maybe you're watching a little bit
of Premier League, which came back to Action. Yeah, that's
Holland getting after it very quickly, or getting ready for
the next parts of the Women's World Cup. Maybe you
were getting into that or just getting your bets down
on your NFL preseason action. Seems like you could have
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gotten a car and found a way to, you know,
maybe solve the distance issue between you and Ben Maller.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
He come out to Vermono. It's the first time out
here at the northeast. Come up to Vermont. I'll show
you around. No, No, too far for him to make
the left hand turn there and to come up here.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, he was already that far. Yeah, you could have
bent a little bit. And you know I'm busy.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I told you I'm busy.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Well, you know he was busy too. He had a
lot of meat and greets or something to do.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I don't know, that's for sure he did.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Again, I'm not tracking the man's whereabouts. I just knew
he was off this week and having himself a vacation.
So enjoy your time at Ben mallor for all of
his whereabouts, Arnie. That was also said for you, so
you can, you know, send another message to Ben directly
to the lament the fact that you guys didn't meet
up and you weren't able to cajole him into buying
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you a sandwich or whatever the hell you were looking.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Well, he said, he texted me, he goes and s Ben.
I wrote, Ben, who, who the hell?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
See, that's what you did.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I didn't know he was in geez agitated.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
We were talking earlier about boxing rings or whatever. We're
gonna put you and Mallard in the ring to get
you there there it is all right. Freddie Freeman with
another RBI for the Dodgers. Ear on, Fernando Valenzuela night,
He's gonna do everything he can to chase down Ronald
Lecunya Junior for the MVP in the National League. We've
got the Broncos now on top of the Cardinals seven
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to nothing. We spoke about him briefly a little bit
earlier in the show. Arnie Russell Wilson starting the game
and rolling into the second quarter. YEP, a huge twist
in turn of events here in the National Football League
twenty twenty three. So many starters at least getting their
(03:44):
feet wet, getting a series or two. In this case,
Russell Wilson. Sean Payton decided, all right, we're gonna watch
this offense roll a bit and I've got to see
some positivity before you get to sit down. Finally throws
the touchdown pass and yes it's that man, Jayed Judy
to catch his forty yards and a score for him.
Wilson for the night, seven of thirteen ninety three yards
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and a touchdown as the Broncos had that seven zero
lead over Arizona. But it speaks I think a little bit, Arnie.
We've got sixteen new offensive coordinators, own the handful of
new head coaches, but we half the league changed out
their coordinators this year.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I didn't know it was that many, to be honest
with you.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
So we're looking at a major seismic shift in the NFL,
which to me would make sense that you'd see more
of the starters out there and trying to get some
reps in live game action as opposed to just running
your practice time and again. And well, we all joined
practice in that fun. But we saw Sean McVay. We're
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gonna see Frostburg's got him tomorrow, right, you got Chargers
and Rams. You're gonna see some of the starters in
that game. He was one of the guys that led
the push towards everybody doing Operation Shutdown. And then one
of the great stats for Patrick Mahomes under Andy Reid
forty nine touchdowns, four picks in his September games. And
then the second half, Mike, it's gonna be a rematch
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of the College Football Championship, Max Duggin and Stenson, Oh,
Stetson Bennett getting after it. There you go.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
He looks good, though Stet's Abed. I can't wait to
see what he's gonna throw it down a little better
for Max doug In this time. Yeah, you know, just
a couple of things of him. You know, on Russell,
he was getting banged around. He was always supposed to
play the first quarter and the drive he was on,
uh got pushed into the second and then they brought
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him back for another series because he didn't put any
points on the board and they had to punt the ball.
And you're right, he's like, we gotta get some positivity
out of you. In the first preseason game, I mean,
they're playing the Stinke and Cardinals, for crying out loud,
and they were having trouble moving the ball. The Cardinals
were putting a lot of pressure on them, so I
really think they said, you got to show us something
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and let's leave it some positive positive though. That's that's
why they still had about there. We he got hit
a couple of times there. You know for the preseason
he was he was getting smacked around a little bit. Mike.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Well, you know what, you got to take those lumps
early because you get it all on tape and now
you can start to evaluate your offensive line, which is
supposed to be one of the strengths of your squad.
You've got a wide receiving corps and Judy and Sutton. Obviously,
losing Tim Patrick for another year is a huge blow
to what they were trying to do. You've got Javonte
Williams coming back off of his injury, so a lot
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of moving parts as they get ready for this season.
But after getting his chest he as Sean Payton did,
going back on Hacket and all that, right, We joked
about it the night that that first happened and said, well,
I guarantee you he's gonna blame all the hot take nonsense.
He was around at Fox. What were the first words
out of his mouth? Oh, I must have had my
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thoughts and then and then he never really apologized, No
he did. I never apologize.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I against him. I don't think they're gonna have a
good year. I'm not believing this Russell was gonna turn
it around. And he's you know, he's the next uh uh,
you know, great coach out there that's gonna bring in
some Super Bowls. I don't buy it at all for
them at all.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, all about the you know new guy in town.
We're turning everything upside down there. Yeah, the during their
preseason games. I don't want any photo opportunities, bucket hats
and all of those things. No music at practice, right.
They didn't have the local media out there, uh, you know,
broadcasting their radio shows as they have in years past,
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which is too bad because it's a really cool setup.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
It's all about. That's what preseason is all about, having
the media out there and broadcasting there and and you
know being you know, trying to be the harsh attitude
like Eric Bienemy and all that. That doesn't work. You
realize that doesn't work at all nowadays.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Well, the the enemy thing to me is interesting, right
because obviously you've got Andy Reid on one side back
in Kansas City and the enemy and we can get
into the debates of why he wasn't a head coach,
why he didn't do this whatever, and now he's in
Washington and if the report is legitimately, Hey, he's being
hard on us and he's pushing us. Right, Sometimes you
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need to be hard on people and push them.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
But I guess a lot of people are complaining too bad.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Like unless he's throwing footballs at him, you know, like, hey,
you screwed that up. You're doing stuff like when I
was a kid, they'd hit you over the head with
a whistle or grab you by the face mask saying no,
you need to be over here, and they drag you
into somebody else's helmet. Unless he's doing that or just
demeaning them as men, which I've seen many a coach. Dude,
I don't like just coaching them hard to try to
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get drills right. I need more specificity. If you're going
to try to get me on the player's side of it.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Let me ask you this. Does that mean? Is this
the reason why he hasn't gotten the head coaching job?
The is it the way he interviews? And the bigger
problem is if that's what's keeping you from being a
head coach, you think you'd change your ways. Well, but
that's the thing, right is by way or the highway.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
But we've also talked about this about a lot of players, right,
I mean, look at the Johnny Manzel story which has
you know, the documentary and his interview and all of
the stuff that came out of.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Well, that's crazy, that zero film, that's insane.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
But let me take it Kyler Murray. We're watching the Cardinals.
Obviously he's not playing, he's on the comeback trail. But
another guy who a lot of his work ethic was
questioned what happened. He was a guy with great success,
a Heisman winner, top ten pick and two sports and
immediately came in and had pretty good success in the NFL.
(09:39):
Are you going to necessarily change your work habits if
you're having success.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Well, you're having success, but you know, when you go
up another level, you have to do what it takes,
and you have to do film. You cannot do one
second of film though, Mike, Well, no, no, I'm not
excusing it, Lardie.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I'm just trying to, you know, from an explanation of
if everything's come easy to you, I mean, take it
to school. I mean, I'm sure you were a super genius,
of course, no problem, no question about it. All of
a sudden something got hard, whatever that subject was, and
a lot of people don't know how to react. I
remember my high school days, right. I went to a
prep school in downtown Chicago, a pretty good school. They
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know that my dad worked his ass off to get
us through there, right, expensive and all that stuff, And
did I feel like I belonged to half time. No,
but I had to bust my hump to keep my
grades up and all of that.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Really, I would just take a W so I wouldn't
hurt my GPAs well.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
But I had I had a lot of friends right
where they were overachievers, yeah, and really good in the classroom.
But when it came to standardized tests, they froze right right,
and all of a sudden, all that hard work and
whatever else, something was difficult, something didn't make sense, something
they couldn't prepare one hundred percent for absolutely threw them
for a loop. And that happens. That happens in every
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sport you play, every business circumstance that you get into,
Suddenly there's a variable added to the equation that changes it.
If you've always had success doing it one way, I
have great intuitive skills, and my athletic skills are off
the chart, and wait, suddenly there's film prep that I
gotta do, and I've got to be in the office
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an extra four hours a day and all of that stuff.
You know, like we we don't just open mouths.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
See, So there's got to be a middle point here
between the enemy and the players. I mean, so many
players are complaining Mike there. I mean, it wasn't just
like one or two people. I'm sure it was. It
was a lot more than that.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, let me ask what the hell kind of operation
they were running last year? If it's that egregiously different.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Well, obviously maybe a little bit soft.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Did everybody walk over them? It's like, oh, it's okay,
you'll catch the next one, buddy. You got to pat
them on the back of the shoulders.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I mean, come on, they weren't that. I mean, this
team was a playoff team. What a couple of years.
They don't act like they're at owing seventeen team.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
No, but they've had an organization mired in in problems.
The owner just got deposed, Right, you look at the
on field product and you've had some bright spots. Mcglory.
That's a good player. Robinson's a big player. They're excited
a little bit about Sam Howell and what he brings
to the table. But Ron Rivera's as far as coaches go,
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he's a jag. He's just a guy.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I like him.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I like Ron rivera old school guy to a point.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
But now, but he also kind of, you know, didn't
didn't do any favors in talking about the situation with
aby enemy right as he met the media and kind
of talked about it. You know, back your guy. You know,
he's he's trying to get the best out of them,
and maybe they're not used to a little bit of
tough love.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I agree with John that you need to back your guy.
That I agree with you one. But maybe even he's like, hey,
I got him with my players on this one. He's
he's pushing them just a little bit too hard. But
could you look, this isn't the days of to days,
you know what I mean though? Is long gone.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And that's the other thing that that's the CBA, and
and that's you know, from a product standpoint, we can
we can talk about how the the product is maybe
inferior in some places because of the extra off days,
the lack of two days. And I'm not saying you
need to go do this second practice in one hundred
degree heat and.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Letron maybe they're healthier too and they don't get hurt
when they do.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
But also you're you're in a film room longer. Maybe,
but like a lot of that in the CBA gets
legislated out, so you change how you have to process,
and you've got to get stuff done on the practice
field a lot quicker. So that's what I'm saying, But
it doesn't take the place one hundred percent of on
(13:41):
field reps. Right, So the enemies looking at it, going,
I got a running clock here, and if we can't
get this bass play down, guess what, we don't get
to this, this, this, or this. So, yeah, you might
have to be a little bit of a hard ass
to get guys to understand the gravity and the time
sensitivity of what you're trying to.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, I don't. I don't respond the hard ass. Well,
you know what I mean. That's just me, especially when
I've had some bosses yelling at me and screaming over
to me. Didn't respond very well to stuff like that. People,
some people, just nowadays players coming into the NFL don't
respond to that type of coaching, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
No, I'm not saying that you're berating them and tearing them.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Down Bobby ni style.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, I mean, look, we don't need to go to
that level, but certainly you know the all right, they'll
be Okay. Participation trophy for a practice kind of situation
is not where I want to go either.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
It's got not have to be one or the other.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
That's wow, But that's just it. Everybody needs to figure
out where that happy medium is. Hey, coming up next,
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Speaker 3 (16:09):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio. Jason Smith Show with
Me Mike Harmon Live Forthetirac dot Com Studios. No Jason
Smith tonight in his stead Bye Guy the Stink of Genius.
Arnie Spanier. You hear him Sunday Nights alongside Chris Plank.
Honored to have him in here. He's a legend Hall
of Famer in my mind anyway, and certainly in his
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to ask, how are your picks doing tonight? I know
that is a big part and a big component of
(16:51):
what you do with Plank on Sunday nights normally giving
a lot of entertainment to our guys, Steve Desager during
those processes. But you know, how are you picks tonight?
In preseason? I know you were really proud of yourself
going three and oh to open the ex.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Pre season is the free season when you're taking teams.
I was three and oh coming in. I was owing
one on over under's the listeners will let me forget
that one, but three and oh on the side picks,
I had Cleveland minus three and they're gonna lose. They're
down seventeen nine in the Washington so that's gonna be
a loser. And I had Denver minus three and a
(17:25):
half against Arizona. They're gonna go in the halftime and
it's going to be a ten to nothing lead for
the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I just nailed a fifty five yarder.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I love it. I love it so eleven decads left
actually in the first half. It's ten nothing Broncos. There.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Hey, that's worth five point five points. If you're in
a fantasy.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Leaguer, look at you.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
You're ready for Hey, I've already done several drafts. I
have two more going right now. Slow drafts Guilletine leagues.
We should get it to Guiante Guaranteed League, going for
the hosts. And yes, everybody here, yes you know what
that is. No, but I'm ready to do it. So
your draft to squad and the lowest scoring team each
gets cut all their players going away, so you could
(18:04):
be out in week one.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
No, no, no, I don't like that one. I thought
you were talking real guillotine.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well, I mean we could do that. I mean, that's
a whole other thing. We got to look in talk
to legal about that one.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Speaking of getting guillotine, how about Arney's Dolphins tonight? Yeah,
no touchdowns?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Is it over?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
It was over? It was the early game.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
They no, no, no, no, no. I mean you know, are
you already abandoning your team?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Are you going jump onto someone else's bandwagon Sunday night
when you joined playing.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I'm not bad, but I'm not jumping off the ball wagon.
I'm I'm still okay with their offense, a little concerned
about the secondary. But there's no doubt we'll win the division.
I promise you that. Well, we'll win about twelve games
this year, maybe thirteen. Okay, So you you say that
with such sarcasm.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
And I do because I got Smith on the other side.
Every night we're going fourteen and three. That's a lot
of winning going on.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
You gotta pen, you gotta pat on you, Mike. Write
this down when you say you could have for how
are you gonna have fourteen wins when you're gonna start
the season one and six? Do the math on that.
Write that down and can you figure out how you
can have fourteen wins?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, I don't say I believe. I'm just saying you
guys are all chesty, like your mouthpieces for your respective teams.
He's fireman Jason, and you're walking around like your ace Ventura.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
The Jets. It's gonna the fans will turn on that
team real quick. Maybe two wins. Have you seen their
schedule for the beginning of the year. It is murderous,
absolutely murderous. There's no easy there's like one easy game.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
So they're not at least based on what perception is. Well,
I'm telling where world changes on a dime in the NFL,
as we know, Arnie, No.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
You you could tell, which is like if you look
at them, they play the Bills, so you know that's
gonna be tough. To go at Dallas, so there's zero
and two right off the bat. They're weiki the the
Patriots at home, so that will be a win. Then
they play the Chiefs, so there's another loss.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It's my favorite type of radio. Let's go through them,
just kidule.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I'm just giving you the first six games.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Did you want to go through all seventy while we're
at a two seventy two?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Come on, you know, I'm just so it's gonna be
lucky if they win two games out of their first seven.
I still think one and six though, it's gonna be
a tough go for them. At the beginning of this.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
You know what coming up next hour, our buddy Todd
Furman is gonna join us live from Vegas, mutual friend
of yours and mind going on many years here on
the network, Todd the Saint of a Man, the Bet
the Board Podcast. We'll ask him that, you know, how
he expects the start of that season to go for
the Jets, and how much he loves hard knocks, but
talking about betting a lot made of Phil Mickelson. This
(20:46):
new Billy Walters book coming out, and all of the
discussion points CBS broadcasters and getting the these signals from
him as to whether he thought he could, you know,
make a putt or you know what he was doing,
hold a hole and getting odds and yeah, I'm feeling
good about this one. Now I'm not feeling all of
that stuff. And also some allegations that while he was
(21:07):
trying to place a massive bet on himself during the
twenty twelve Ryder Cup, Mickelson took to x it looks weird.
Not even saying Twitter anymore in parentheses, but quote, while
it's well known that I always enjoy a friendly wager
on the course, I would never undermine the integrity of
the game. I have also been very open about my
(21:28):
gambling addiction. So addiction is a word that you know,
we were using here and even Phil does. But folks
do it for entertainment purposes, not only just hey, I'm
making picks, you know, to entertain you, but also for
the idea that all right, I have a little bit
of action makes the game I may not care about
(21:48):
otherwise a little more engaging. Don't necessarily go into the
problems that folks get with gambling, but certainly understand the concerns,
and they have plenty of stories and knowledge of people
that have had those issues, aren't he. But with Phil,
the number that really rang true and really broke through
for everybody sports media and the world at large was
(22:12):
that he'd bet over a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Amazing. I don't know if I really even streak of that.
I don't know if you could do that. I look,
he must have had some serious bets going down. You
hear some stories. I don't know if you know who.
Chad forty is an old time radio guy I do
work with Steve Hartman. Was Hartman's right, he was. He
was the producer of Monday Night Football. At one point
(22:36):
he had bet like every college football game and every
college basketball game. He just couldn't stop. But as to
what Phil did, look, I love Phil, I really do.
I like He's one of the reasons why I'll watch
golf and Phil's in the lead. I'm tuning on him.
And I'll never tell anybody what to do with their money.
(22:58):
I mean, when you see Bill Gates spend millions of
dollars on a yacht or whatever it is, it's because
that's what they have. They have blank you money, they
can afford that stuff. But when I see that Phil
made a billion dollars in bets and lost what was it,
a hundred million dollars? I think to myself, and it's
not right for me to tell anybody how to spend
their money. But could you imagine the good he could
(23:21):
have done with the hundred million dollars that he lost.
The money he could give to Maui, or money he
could help people or charities, and I'm sure he does
a lot of that to begin with anyway, but a
hundred million dollars could fix a lot of problems in
the world. And again, I don't want to tell you
how to spend your money.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I know that, but.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
That's fine, and I'm probably wrong for doing that because
it's his money. But you know what you ask, and
I'll say, gosh, even if you ask, Phil, could you
imagine if you had that one hundred million back so
you can help people. It's just the a lot of
money if you want to make friendly wagers. And you know,
and I know he makes a boatload of money.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
There's no doubt either, saying his career earnings are drifting
up towards a billion dollars as well when you add
in the live money and everything else.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, that's an insane amount of money. But geez, that's
a problem when you're betting that much. That really is
And look again, he makes.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
If he only lost one hundred million dollars, I would
say he really didn't.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Or you think that he's a good gambler because it's
not awful.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
That means he still has some liquidity in the game.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Right. Somebody did the math that they said, when you've
done that, you're pretty much picking at fifty percent and
what you're losing is the veig. Right.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
So if that's the case, he got his entertainment out
of it. He right. I got into a discussion with
about about it with Jason yesterday. He was really focused
on one line item, which was forty three baseball bets
in a day, and I laughed, I go, my brothers
and I if we go do a race card wherever
we are, they travel for the Triple Crown and something
(25:04):
my family is always done. If you got enough simulcast
going down, you're betting over forty bets in a given
day easily. And I mean, look, you're doing.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
A billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
No, but I don't have a billion dollars to bet. Like,
if he's got the money to bet, and he can
cover it. It goes back to it's his money. How
do I tell him how to spend it?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Bet, you're enjoyment.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
You're just giving away one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Not giving it away. You know, you're absolutely wrong.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
What are you getting?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Hundred?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
But but you're invested for that whatever amount of time. Right,
if I go to the craps table in Vegas with
three hundred bucks whatever, we'll make it a fictional number,
you know what, for sake of argument, let's round it
up to five hundred bucks, and I get to play
for whatever, forty five minutes. Someone goes on a decent
run whatever. My cost of that attendance, that entertainment vehicle
(25:56):
was forty five minutes of action for five hundred bucks.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Is that big difference though, between five hundred dollars in
one believe?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
But you're missing the point of the You're absolutely missing
the point.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
You say, but you get the enjoyment.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
But if I get the enjoyment out of the five
hundred bucks and it's gone, I didn't just throw it away.
I got my forty five minutes, and that was what
it was worth to me.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Right, you're getting that point can you really enjoy yourself
after you've lost one hundred million dollars?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Though over the course of what are we talking thirty years?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I don't know how many five years?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Right? I met him back in what nineteen ninety nine
at Pebble Beach, So, I mean, what are we talking
that's twenty four years ago?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
And do you believe he's not already bet on golf
one way or the other?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
That he didn't hurt nobody's believing that, Like we heard
rumors about that when he was a youngin right like
that there was always action on every hole and that's
not out of the norm, especially practice rounds and stuff.
Guys are betting all the time.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Well, we say, guys are bett No, the look, what's
going on in Iowa stated, that's a whole other I
know that whole other thing. Have we opened up a
whole can of worms with what's going on right now
with all the gambling and all the money we're bringing
in on that.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Or why it just I mean, you knew it was there, right,
It's another thing, Just like we talked about last hour,
floodgates open and folks have to now react instead of
having planned for it as an inevitability.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
And by the way, this is not new. When I
was a kid in high school, we had parlay cards.
Of course, there'd be one guy giving out parlay cards
and he'd pay everybody off until somebody hit a beg
and they'd be shut him down for the rest of it.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
That's just it, right. He had to pay off the
rest of his you know, living expense money he got
from financial aid or whatever mom and dad provided, and
then you didn't hear from him again until the next
season started when his bank roll was back.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
But that's a serious a lot of money. It shows
you what kind of addictive personality he has when you're
betting that type of money. That's insane out there. And
I heard the story about them going to like Vegas
for like a Sunday morning, you know NFL games. Phil
had a suite in with the Pollio. They had TVs
(28:02):
for every game, and then he won like a million
dollars on the early games, what a little bit on
the afternoon games that went down to like the backrac
table lost a lot of it back then, you know,
had his own private jet. That that's some serious gambling
when you're doing stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
We've talked about it for years with Jordan and with
Barkley and all of these guys. If it's money, they
can quote unquote afford to lose, where's the harm? Right?
Other people have their vices, the things they love to
to do, They collect things, they they go to events, right,
they love live I love live events, and I know
(28:40):
I probably spend a little more money on than I should.
But to me, it's the experience when I'm in a
pine box or you know, in an urn above someone's fireplace,
that money ain't sitting there with me.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
You asked me what the harm is? How do I
say there's no harm in losing one hundred million dollars? Though?
How do you possibly be saying no no harm in that?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
How's how's his mind? Money situation? Aren't he?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
That's? Is that really?
Speaker 5 (29:05):
All?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
What it comes down to is how his money situation is?
Or is it more than? He even says he's got
a gambling problem, right.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
But psychologically does he? Is he the worse off for it?
I guess only Phil can answer that. That's not me
or other people to decide. If Phil thinks he can
afford to gamble and with enough wins and losses, in
the end, it's he's lost a hundred million out of
a billion dollars in bets.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
He's done. Okay, well wait, do you think he maybe
you have lost endorsements because of his gambling problem. Do
you think he's lost me?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Well so now it's more than a okay, that's fine,
But again it's on him like you're you're you're just
coming down like you're the moral high authority on what
Phil Mickelson should do with his money.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You know, how dare you bet?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, it's so funny. But somebody who said in the
tweet that says, let me say, I'm not telling you
how to spend your money without telling you how to
spend your money over thirty years of who is an
average of the three million a year, And you're not
charrege changing the world with three million, or I would
have done it already. So yeah, when you look at
it like that, But you know, when they said one
hundred million, that's the money, that's the price. I'm looking
(30:13):
at it.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Now, I get it. It's the large number and certainly
compound interest, right, your money's gonna double. Good mutual funds
over seven we can do all that. But you're missing
the point of the exercise. The man instead of doing
all the things you and I may enjoy. You know,
you couldn't even get in your car to drive to
meet your buddy Ben Maller, Right or two, you're gonna
(30:34):
criticize the guy because he likes to gamble a bit.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
By the way, is this any different than if you
would have put one hundred million dollars in the stock
market and maybe lost half the money in the stock market.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Well, but that's my point, right, you picked the wrong investment.
Back the red horse. There, you're in the same boat,
and you didn't get a lot of action out of it.
You just watched a ticker instead of games. And now
you don't have people, you have boards of directors to blame.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
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Speaker 3 (31:03):
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my eye, Arnie, because it brought me back to my
days of playing football from my grades school. Kendrick Green,
a third year offensive line alignment out of Illinois playing
for the Pittsburgh Steelers, always wanted to run the ball
in youth football. Problem is he had the red sticker
(31:47):
on his helmet right signaled to everyone around him. He
wasn't allowed. Quote where I'm from, they give you a
red sticker when you're too heavy, so you can't run
the ball. You gotta play on the line. Look at
a little Mikey Harmon on the south side of Chicago.
Not a red sticker. It was I Look, I'm not
(32:07):
much taller now than I was finishing fifth grade. I
had the stripe on my helmet and so worked with
my dad. We did some extra workouts and whatever, and
you know, I got under the weight limit so they
could take the stripe off. Pass got into pass receptions
(32:28):
right some back then mostly a run game, but occasionally
you'd trickle out as a tight end or get a
call as a fullback or whatever. And then we get
to the playoffs and what happens They challenge my weight.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Oh no, so you gotta do it all over. I
was a.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Quarter pound over. So the stripe came back. The indignity
we had put in a couple of plays where look,
because I was a big kid, I was running people
over once because I was just under the threshold of
that weight limit. So Mason Rudolph, this was in there,
uh practice under the lights the other day in Latrobe.
Obviously tonight you had the Steelers getting after it against Tampa.
(33:07):
We'll get into that in earnest at about ten minutes
here along with the rest of the day's action in
NFL preseason. But Green got to catch a ball out
of the backfield from Mason Rudolph in front of the crowd.
So we got to live out a little bit of
that dream of touching the ball. But I never felt
hurry tales of that or yeah, a little bit kind
(33:27):
of like that, right.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Right exactly. All the big guys love the catch touchdowns,
and that day.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Well we saw it with you know, the Patriots for years, right,
the Vrabel and none of touchdowns or something. A lot
of trickeration there, But for me, I started reading this
article and I'm just flashing back to the diet. I
went on the extra exercise, the steam rooms, all of
those things to pass the weight weight limit and get
(33:55):
underneath it, only to have it challenged for the playoff games.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Was a third grade? Fourth grade? This?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
No, this would have been getting up to uh, this
would have been eighth grade. Wow, I was really good
on the offensive line, I'll take it. At that point,
I was smarter than everybody. So I just read where
guys were gonna go, and I just swam past them
on the defensive side, and certainly offensively they had their tendencies,
but I also wanted to be part of the offense
touching the ball, so we got creative.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
What could have been for you could have been well.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I also didn't grow so for high school, the coaches
were all like, yeah, we can get you to uh,
to look like a fire plug, and kind of intimating
what they would give me to do that. I was
out on it, Arnie, I was out on it.
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