January 2, 2020 • 41 mins
Arnie Spanier and Aaron Torres fill in for Jason and Mike and talk about the passing of former NBA commissioner David Stern. The guys debate the importance of bowl games in the college football playoff era and explain why they expect Oklahoma HC Lincoln Riley to become the next head coach of the Cowboys. Plus, they speak with Alabama insider Ryan Fowler about Tua’s big decision and Browns insider Kenny Roda about Cleveland's regime change!
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The a lot of news kind of coming out. We'll
try to figure that out. Is Ryan Fowler from tuscal Loose,
Alabama will join us in our number two. But first,
on a sad note, uh, David Stirren, at the age
of seventy seven passes away, former commissioner of the NBA.
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I saw all the tweets coming out from former and
current players. UM, that was absolutely devastated. He was certainly
a loved and important commissioner, probably one of the best
out of all the four major sports. You talk about
a guy that was a problem solvereign and a visionary
that looked into the future. That was David Stern. He
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put the n B a I was gonna say on
the map he was the NBA along with when you
talk about magic and Larry Um, you better brought up
David Stern's name in there too. So I'm gonna get
back to David Stern in a minute, But I do
want to note something else just kind of came across
my Twitter timeline, which is a little bit sad, the
New York Post Arnie. And I'm not making this up,
not trying to be funny or anything. Reporting Don Larson, Mr.
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Perfect Game in the World Series actually just passed away
today as well. So uh so for people, you know,
I don't want to start the showing a down note,
but the David Stern stuff happened. This happened in terms
of David Stern, I agree a percent. And you know
when I when I was growing up, I mean I
grew up really in that heyday of Jordan and the Bulls,
and I was I was kind of at the tail
end of burden. The Celtics and the sport felt so
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big and it's continued to grow. Uh and and everything
that that guy has was a part of. David earned
everything that the NBA is today, love it or hate it. Uh,
The International elements of the game, the globalization, everything that
the NBA is is in large part two A couple
of people, Michael Jordan, but also David Stern as well. Absolutely,
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and you know there was even they were talking about
it at the at the Winter Classic. It was he
was also you know, part of hockey too, and um,
it's just that he was just beloved by so many
people and like I said, so important to the NBA. Member. UM.
I think it was what nineteen seventy nine when um,
you know, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Indiana State and of
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course Michigan State, the NBA Finals. Not only were they
on tape delay. You're talking about like an eleven thirty
at night. Think about that, the NBA Finals, the NBA Finals,
you would have to stay up till about eleven thirty
at night. UM. I don't know if you'd hear the finals.
You probably hear the final score listening to the radio.
There was no internet back then, and you would watch
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the game tape the aid um three four hours later.
That's how far down the NBA was at that time.
It's incredible. And you know it's funny because we spent
so much time in these last few months talking about
NBA ratings up, down, whatever, We're still talking about an
NBA Finals that draws between fifteen and twenty million people
for all seven games in the NBA Finals, let alone
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the first rounds of the playoffs, let alone the All
Star Game, let alone the regular season games. And I
think that what you just said encapsulates this more than anything.
Is where the league was when he got there, Where
where it was obviously when he handed over to Adam
Silver a few years ago, you know, over the last
year or so. Uh. And that brings me up to
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my point because I've talked about the NBA being a
little bit of a trouble now because it really kind
of lacks star power, and I think you most mostly
playing jumps down my throat when I say that, going,
what are you talking about? There's plenty of stars. The
NBA is in great position, um And then we look
at the ratings being down tremendously, and then people like
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you and other people on Twitter telling me it's because
Lebron James switched, you know, conferences. Well, if one guy
can you know plummet ratings like that, NBA's not in
such great shape. There might be a lot of stars
out there, but not a lot of stars that you
really say, I must watch TV not listen. I don't disagree,
and I think it speaks to the larger point of
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I think that the NBA needs a little I think
Adam Silver, the new commissioner, needs a little more David
Stern in him. I think a lot of the problems
that the NBA is facing is stuff that, um, whether
it is guys changing teams, load management, guys sitting out
big national TV games. The thing about David Stern was,
and it's funny because I'm watching TV and they're showing
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him and he's this little, tiny man, but um, he
kind of verbally carried a big punch and he wasn't
he wasn't afraid to step up two players to ownership,
to whoever for the good of the league. And so
when you bring up the Lebron James situation, uh, the
sinking ratings, I think a lot of the NBA's problems
are in large part because Adam Silver doesn't have enough
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David Stern in him in terms of leadership and kind
of uh toughness and all those kind of things. You know,
you may be right on that the leadership that David
Stern had really second to none. And also, you know,
when you look at what David Stern has done over
the years and where he left the n b A,
I mean the owners you want to talk having deep
pockets because of David Stern, That's exactly what happened. And
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he made them all. I mean, yeah, they were rich
to begin with, but beyond their wildest dream. So if
you want to comment on David Stern, um certainly do that.
Feel free. Errand on the score tours, I'm in stinking
genius one. But a lot of college football today. How
about that Oregon Wisconsin gave my friend Oregon Winzart twenty
twenty seven. I was so pumped up. I mean I
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was getting choked up. I was emotional. First of all,
great game, love the rose Ball. Now Oregon is gonna
move on to play to play? Uh uh nobody. I
guess right, it's over. You know it was a meaningless game?
Is that what you're telling me? Torres? Is? Is this
what everybody was like? They were celebrating after the game,
like they won the championship. I was confused. I'm like,
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do they move on? Are they in the playoffs? Does
the winner of this game. Move on, What were they celebrating.
I don't understand. I thought it being a new year,
you'd be a lot more jovial and happy and friendly. Well,
they were celebrating because they won a big game. Because
this is the biggest game that a lot of those
guys ever played in. And no it's not a championship,
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and yes it sucks, and yes they would have liked
to be in the College Football Playoff, but they just
went to the freaking Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl still matter,
Like these bowl games still matter to these kids, especially
the big ones. I mean, I was watching that Citrus
Bowl today. Jerry Judy, the m v P of the
Citrus Bowl, is Alabama's wide receiver who's gonna be a
top ten pick, and he decided to play in that game.
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We're hearing about two of potentially coming back because of
the fact that he wants to finish strong and all
those things. He wants to be with this team. Don't
tell me all this stuff doesn't matter these guys. What
what do you have against them? Sellbrating on the field.
By the way, you know what, I won't tell you
that it was meaningless. Let me have everybody else tell
you like ed on Twitter that just said what the
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college football Playoff did to me? Now is I have
zero interest in any of the other bowl games out there.
And you Chris says, what an amazing day of college
football playoff? Oh wait, those are all meaningless exhibitions, and
it goes on and on and on on Twitter. Um,
it's all the same thing, Aaron. What the Rose Ball
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didn't mean anything fifteen years ago either. It was still
an exhibition game. It was still it didn't determine anything
other than the winner of that game on that day.
So you can't sit here and talk about the glory
days of the Rose Bowl Boschem Beckler, Earl Bruce, Ohio
State and say that it was that much better. It
didn't mean anything back then anymore than it means now.
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Not true. It's not true. It's not because there's there's
a playoff now. Back then, okay, you could the winner
had a chance of winning a mythical championship by vote. Also,
it was a battle of the Pac ten and the
Big ten Um. Sometimes you don't always get that matchup,
but was tradition and it's still traditions. Mayban may mean
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suppose I told you the Jets were playing the Dolphins.
It's a different sports Friday before the playoff games on Saturday,
you'd say, and yeah, what am I gonna watch that one?
And you say, though you would not, And same thing here,
just like everybody's saying on Twitter, meaningless college games. What
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are you celebrating there? You're not in the playoffs. You
don't get to advance. It was a great year. If
you're celebrating that, you graduate, right, So you're gonna be
watching all the bull games tomorrow and the rest of
the way, is what you're telling me? Or what Arnie?
I see all these grainy videos of you shooting three
pointers at the Burlington y m c A. So because
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you didn't win the NBA Championship, you're not allowed to
celebrate and throw your hands up like you're James Hardy.
It's the exact same thing. So you get way with
You're going to watch BC in Cincinnati, Indiana, and Tennessee, Ohio,
and Nevada, Southern miss And two when you're all into that,
aren't you? Those are coming up? Also, what's your favorite
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TV show? Cops? Yeah? I bet it is, because you've
you've been on a few episodes. I think the reason
I ask if if it isn't UM whatever, if it
isn't the Nature Channel or not GEO. You're watching stuff
because it's entertaining. If you're watching n c I S
or you're watching the Simpsons, or you're watching Big Bang Theory,
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which isn't even on TV anymore, you're watching for entertainment.
You're not watching the Big Bang Theory, Uh, to learn
something or to whatever. It's the same with all these
Bowl games. It's just entertainment. The kids that don't want
to play don't play. But the for these kids one,
it's first of all, it's a great chance for them
to for some guys to get opportunities, this, that, the
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other thing. But the it's a great It's just fun.
I don't understand why you're so anti fun. I'm not
anti fun. I'm I'm just looking at the everybody's getting emotionals.
Like I said, look at all the Twitter that agrees
with me. Um. It's kind of like a meaningless exhibition.
That's why we watched. I don't ever want to hear
you saying anything against any kids that want to sit
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up for the NFL. I know you better hold up
to that now. I actually tweeted that today I said,
I don't begrudge anybody that sits out of these games,
but I'll tell you who. I give credit to, a
kid like Jerry Judy Top five pick DeAndre Swift playing
for Georgia. Right now. They're leading Rusher who's banged up
and he wants to finish strong at Georgia. I just
don't think there's anything wrong with these games still meaning
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something to these kids, the opportunity to play one more time,
the opportunity for some of the young guys to get opportunities.
I just don't understand, Like, why does everything have to matter,
you know, every time? Excuse me, so I forgot your millennial.
We let me give you your your little fruit punch
and we'll give you a straw. Here's some orange slices,
and we can all say I'm a millennial. I don't
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use straws because they're bad for the environment. So let's
let's get that done. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harman weekdays at
ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. All right, let me
get to this story. If you want conspiracy theories. Quarterback
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Brock van de griff he decommitted out of Oklahoma. Uh.
There's a a tweet or a clip of him asking
would you ever leave or de commit from Oklahoma if
Lincoln Riley wasn't there? He said no, absolutely, he said,
the last couple of months have brought to my attention
how hard it is going to be for me to
attend college so far away from home. I would like
to thank coach Riley, Coach beam Er, Coach Hill, and
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the rest of the football staff at Oklahoma for the opportunity.
With that being said, will be d committing and opening
my recruitment back up. No interview, no interviews, Please please
respect my decision. Thank you. All right, A couple of
things on this. First of all, why did he did commit?
Did he really want to be close to home? He
is from Georgia. He was looking at other schools that
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were down to like Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee
before he picked Oklahoma. Or does he know something that
we don't know? And maybe Lincoln Riley could be the
next coach of the Dallas Cowboys. So I will tell
you this as somebody who's covered college sports for years.
Uh more so the basketball side. In the football side,
the first people to know uh stuff about this is
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always the recruits in the au coaches and hey, this
this guy might be on his way out and all
that stuff. And so when by well, how do they
hear it? Do they hear it from the other coaches
that says you're better d commit because I hear he's
going to the Cowboys? Well, a lot of times it's Hey,
I'm Lincoln Riley, the Um, I'm the Eastern Michigan coach.
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I know you're committed to me. By the way, I
haven't announced it you, but I'm going to Oklahoma. So
usually that's how all this stuff gets out. Um. But
but he would Lincoln Riley would never have said anything.
Oh yeah, No. In this case, it's not really as applicable.
I will add though, that if the timing, this kid
has been committed for quite a while, the fact that
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he woke up New Year's resolution he wants to be
closer to home. The fact that he woke up in
January after being committed to this program for months and
realized how far away from home it is. It feels
weird to me. The timing of it. You just never
know that. So you're saying, where there's smoke, there's fire,
or did the kid I've just change your heart? You know?
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Did he just say I did wake up? And it's
saying and I think I do want to be closer
at all though. Isn't he a little bit late in
the recruiting process? But I guess not worried about that,
being a he's prospect, so he's only a junior. But um,
I don't have a good answer to this because he
committed back in June, and it just feels weird that
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now is the time that he's realized how how far
away Oklahoma is from Georgia, especially in light of the
speculation when Lincoln Riley. Maybe we're looking too much into
this because kids do commit decommit all the time, but
being a top flight quarterback going to the place where
the quarterback guru is, every quarterback wants to play for
Lincoln Riley right now. Um, it does feel a little
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bizarre to me. I guess here here's my only thing
on this is my one question though, what is taking
so long on the Cowboys end, Because it's not as
though Lincoln Riley is preparing for a bowl game or
his team still in the playoff. Lincoln riley season is done,
so in theory, the Cowboys could call his agents say hey,
this is the number, you know, fill in the blank,
check whatever. I guess that would be. My only thing is,
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why would the Cowboys be taking so long on their end? Well,
maybe that's what they're doing. Maybe they've contacted Lincoln Riley's
agent and they want to go ahead and move Jason
Garrett up in the front office somewhere like that, or
not make any announcement until they get that sign seal
and delivered. Also, I don't know. It's a speculation, but
I mean we have to speculate because nobody's saying anything. No.
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I think that's totally fair. Um, I'm just confused, listen.
I will say though, and you and I've been talking
about this for three days really four dating back to Saturday.
I'm just confused in general with what's going on with
the Cowboys in general. We got another meeting which at
Jason Garrett tomorrow, So I don't know what is taking
so long, But you would think Lincoln Riley's season is done.
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He's available to talk if By the way, Matt Rule,
who was playing in a Bowl game today, was was
scheduling interviews with NFL teams, and so if he can
do that, Lincoln Riley could as well. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Harman weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. All Right, good, even,
I know, I'm good. I heard you the first time.
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I was getting into the music. Thank you listening to
this on my eight track on the way over. Did
you Church Street last night or what? That's the only
street I know in Burlington might be the only street
in Berlin. I got off at two o'clock in the morning.
This this town rolls up at h around except on
New Years. Yeah, about six pm. The police pull me
over as I'm heading on in after work at six
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o'clock and they go hy yacht so they they see
your lights on to do the show and there somebody
calls in a disturbance. Yeah. I live in the middle
of nowhere, so I'm pretty much off the grid. I
live in the middle of a big field. If you, uh,
you know, did Google maps, you'll see me in the
middle of a big field somewhere out in Vermont, so
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you know you'll never find me. All right, let's get
to our guests. We wanted to find out what's going
on with TA has a big announcement on Monday. Is
he really gonna come back to Alabama? Should he come
back to Alabama? Joining us down from the tide one
point nine? Does afternoon drive out there? It's Ryan Fowler, Right,
you've kind of hinted that you thought maybe he would
go back to Alabama. I don't want to put words
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in your mouth. What's the latest there? Well, I mean
it's just a gut feeling and I still feel the
same way. I just steel like the gut tells me
that that he's gonna come back to Alabama. That that's
literally I've talked to because I think everything has been
so quiet here. It's not been like you know that
to but it's been these little I guess, little tweets
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and encryptic tweets, and I just think that, uh, he's
gonna make the announcement to come back to Alabama. Just
I just that's my gut feeling. And I don't have
any any inside information because I don't think really probably
Nick saving his parents are the only people that really know.
I mean, I've checked a couple of people that have
got no response. So I just don't think it's it's
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out there. But but I do think that the lean
is here locally in Tuscaloosa, that it's But he also
gotta remember everybody's biased, right, I mean they wanted to
come back. Sure, Sorry, n I didn't mean to cut
you off. Do you think this was kind of my
theory I floated to Arnie earlier, is I had heard
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rumblings earlier this week, not just from you, but from
some other people that that this really was a possibility.
Do you think the fact that he's waiting five days
that he's gonna be away from the team. It's one
thing to be a rah Ram coming back when you're
around the boys, but waiting until Monday, getting away from
the guys, getting away from the locker room, do you
think that could sway him the other way? Or does
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that not have any impact? Well? No, Listen, I've said
that multiple times because the easiest thing to say, and
that's for any player, whether it's Henry Rugs or whether
it's Serior Judy, your Xavier McKinney. I mean, if you're
hanging around the guys. I mean it's just like all
of us, you know, all of us want to go
to the ball game. Well, we all say we're gonna
go to the ball game. You know, we're sitting around
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the guys and we say we want to go to
ball game. When we get home, what was the wife say, Well,
I thought I thought you guys wanted I thought we
were gonna do this this, but you know, and then
it's like you automatically text the guys and he said,
you know, I don't think I won't be able to
go the game. I thought you said you were going
to the game. And I think that's a lot of
you know, what has went on inside that locker room
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is is you know, it's the it's you know you
Because I think I think Alabama is going to bring
a lot of these juniors back. I'll be shocked because
they've been gutted from the last everybody that's been on
the fence. It seems like they've gone to the NFL
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that they've elected to uh forego their senior season enter
in the NFL Draft. I think Alibeba gets the flip
this year. I think they'll be as several of these
guys are gonna be coming back, and we've already seen
that first move. You know, Dylan Moses, even though he
was hurt, he was still projected. Guy has been recruited
since he was eighth friend, but he he was still
projected as a first frowned guy. He's coming back, So
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that that's big news there. And that's a guy that
I mean, you don't have to explain the intrigue bug
to him. He experienced it before the season never started.
You know, Ryan, I always say, but the show is today.
You know, whenever we argue with whatever I argue with Torres,
the shows today. His decisions on Monday. Is there any
mock draft that you're looking at? Is there anybody told
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him that he's not going to be a top five pick,
that he's dropping down past fifteen or to the bottom
of the first round. Not that anything I've seen. So
why would he come back if pretty much everything shows
that he'll be a top five pick, no worse than
the top ten pick, for sure. But see, every one
of us are basing it on one thing. We're basing
it on that he's gonna be able to go out
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and do some type of workouts, and if he's told
us even in some interviews that he doesn't even know
if he's gonna be like like, when this injury first happened,
they were just worried about him being able to walk
again at the correct way. And now this was right
when it first happened. I mean there was some you know,
some initial of course that didn't sound good. And you
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know then you see the helicopter flying into Birmingham AM
and you're like, hold on him in a helicopter, but ball,
I mean, you know, whoa, whoa, and and so I
just think that to me, and this is the way
I've always processed it. I've always looked at it because
the NFL will tell you anything, but there is more
security in coming back than there is in the NFL
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trap in his situation. If he looks at it, he says, hey,
I'm gonna put my name in the hat. Well, you
may get to the week before y'all go to Vegas
and you go, man, he's falling. He's falling because some
some medical test somebody didn't clear him with their doctors.
And they basically listen, I'm not gonna sign off on him.
I'm just not gonna sign up. I'm not ready. I
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don't think he's where he needs to be. So if
if he goes into the NFL, brow like he cannot
have any setbacks because there's just not enough time. I mean,
there is such a time window that if it goes
three or four days, that that that could make the
difference between him and having a chance to work out.
Have you, guys, I mean, we've been in this business
a long time. You've got covered the NFL more than
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I do. Is there have you ever had a player
that was drafted in the top ten that wasn't able
to work out, that was not able to go through
a medical physical. But I would say I would just
say Ryan, the difference is that he is a star
quarterback in a quarterback driven league. But I do want
to you brought up something that I don't think has
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really kind of been discussed in this conversation. Are we
positive that if he comes back, like you said, you know,
who knows if if a if A doctor will clear him.
Are we under the assumption that one that he's going
that if he has enough time, regardless of whether it's
in college or the NFL, that he will be cleared
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by all doctors, or is there still the possibility that
somebody says, like, dude, he's never gonna be the same again.
And I bring that up because I'm you know, the
thing that I kind of struggle with is what if
he comes back to Alabama. If he goes into the
draft and he um, you know, he can make up
anything about oh, you know, I'm on this recovery. But
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if he comes back to Alabama and he isn't ready
to play week one, that would be my bigger concern
about coming back. Are we positive that he will be
ready to go to start the season if he does
come back to Bama. No, No, I don't think we
are because and this is the part that's unknown, because
you know, he does have a red shirt. So I've all,
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I mean, listen, I've I've went through. I've got pages
of just notes for pros and cons for myself. No,
we we listen. Has he progressed the guy's already off
the little scooter that he's been riding around Susclusive for
the last month. Okay, he's already off that he's now
on a crutch. It's a single crutch. Okay, so everything
up until this point, but listen, we don't know what's
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going to react when a three pounds defensive lineman hits
you on that hip. And I don't think he knows.
I'm sorry, right, I just want to ask him a
more thing though, And I'm not picking on you, but
how come there hasn't been a leak? How come you
guys haven't heard of any uh you know inside info
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a week? Why is this being kept so tight? Does
that mean he's going to come back? And they really
kept a tight lip because I figured if he was
going to go, that kind of would have snuck out
well and and see I do too, I do too,
because there would be it's like once he comes out
or if he makes the decision, well then you go
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through the interview of the agent process or you think
about the agent, and then that other body knows well
who benefits from the league, because if you have teams
that now begin to think about it. And there's also
you know, a guy like to a tongue about loam
is also an endorsement guy. I mean, could you imagine
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the amount of endorsements. So we're talking about forty days here.
If he would have declared, then that's a chance to
make money and especial football. So I just think everything
points tell us that anything can change. I mean, this
is a fluid situation. He may come out on Monday
and walk out with all the other juniors and say, hey, guys, uh,
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I thought about it. I've changed my mind. But I
just think going into this weekend, I feel pretty comfortable
with my gut that tells me everything has been dropped
and everything that we've been here locally, that there's a
good chance that he comes back. He's Ryan Fowler. He
does the afternoons on the Tide on point nine afternoon
drive down there in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Ryan always a pleasure.
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If you hear anything, please pick up the phone, give
us a call, text, tweet through something. All Right, all right,
you guys have an awesome rest of the day. Man,
Thank you guys so much. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays
at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio app. What I do
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think is interesting is the last part that Ryan brought
up is he got hurt with two or three weeks
left in the regular season. Correct the fact that he
is waiting until January five or sixth to make a
quote unquote announcement. You would think there's really no announcement
to make. And and what I looked at over the
last couple of weeks, meaning that he was gonna go. Yeah,
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of course he's gonna be a top fifteen pick. I
think I know five everything I've seen the shows today,
I think Ryan's drinking a little too much of the
saving cool aid of But he could fall. He ain't
gonna fall. But that's independent. That's different of whether he
will come back, as opposed to he should come back.
So the thing that I noticed over the last couple
of weeks, he was not acting like a guy who
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is getting ready to go to the NFL, because again,
he could have announced. Listen, we were on air the
day he got hurt. We were on air saying, this
is the last we've ever seen two at Alabama, and
hopefully this isn't the last we've ever seen him on
a football field. It was a foregone conclusion. The fact
that he stayed with the program, the fact that he
traveled with them to the bowl game, the acted as
Ryan alluded to, I don't even know if he alluded
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to it tonight, but a few nights ago when he
joined us that he's been posting these little cryptic things
on social media and Snapchat and Twitter and whatever. I'm
not saying he should come back, but every little thing
kind of points to the fact that he might be.
Shouldn't have that been leaked out? Though, When you think
somebody at Alabama has said, guess what, you're not gonna
believe this. He's don't say anything, but he's coming back,
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you know what I mean? Yeah, because you're gonna be
the guy that when Salman finds out that the word
got up. I mean, we've seen what he said, what
he what? What happens when Lane Kiffin just calls a
bad play? Can you imagine if that got out? Um?
Whit Where you don't think things get leaked all the time?
What are you insane? Coaches leaving get leaked out all
the time. Not at Alabama they don't. Yeah, I mean
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not at Alabama, So I'm not It's it's a fascinating
thing to me. I will say this. I think we
talked about it's the first day of If he comes back,
that will be one of the craziest stories of just
considering that we all it was just a foregone conclusion,
and even a few weeks ago when he had that
interview with Kirk curb Street, I was thinking, in my head, Okay,
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this sounds good. It's the right thing to say. I
didn't even really kind of pick up on this until
Ryan came on the Jason Smith Mike Harmon Show on
Monday with us when we were filling in that this
was even a possibility. And as I said, everything seems
to be trending that way the last couple of days.
By the way, you know who has the real answer
on whether he's coming back or not, don't you? Uh,
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all you have to do is follow the money trail
that's Vegas. When Bertie comes on, well, because I'm sure
somewhere you can bet it is to a coming back
plus whatever, minus whatever. Let's see what Vegas has to say.
Was if Vegas, Vegas says, um, he's going back to
Alabama minus seven hundred seven, the one that you're like, okay,
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that he's going back because they're not gonna lose you
know what I mean, that type of money, if you're
gonna go opposite. So I'm gonna be curious to see
what kind of odds Vegas puts out and whether two
is coming back. That would really spell I mean unless
they make uh, you know, him leaving such a big underdog.
I may bet that also, I could maybe make somebody
on this door as It's actually funny you say that
because I I texted Bernie the day after we had
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Ryan Fowler on text. Bernie again asked him what the
what the line would be on this one. I'll see
what he's saying. My phone's almost dead, so you might
have to come on get Gavin to do something. I'm
such a millennial I don't even charge my phone because
it's too much electurcy. But no, so, but I texted Bernie,
I said, hey, man, is do we got title odds
out yet? Because I assumed that Clemson in Ohio state
with Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields would be the favorite
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for next season without Tah And I was like and
and he told me they don't. But I'm just saying
it's Matt Rule just spit on himself. It was so gross.
He went to spit on the floor and it landed
right on his chest. It was so gross. And the
numbers I'm seen just really quickly on the two decisions,
are yes would be minus three fifty sounds wait wait wait,
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yes that he that he would uh that he would
declare for the draft him sorry, so the requests for
the draft minus so three and a half to one. Yeah,
and then no, he'll go back to college is plus
two thirty. That's you can make yourself a lot of
money if you think he's going back. Based on the
stuff you were saying, Torres, you could. You could make
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a boatload of money if you have some inside info
and you feel like all those cryptic tweets have something
to do with this thing. I'm telling you over two
to one. Well, let's go, Arnie, let's collect our paychecks
and in the Vegas let's go. Okay, that sounds good.
I picked me up along the way. By the way,
the sports betting in Vegas did not do great for me.
The last couple of days. It was, well, you know what,
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shame on you, And I was gonna get to you
later on. I mean, how dare you go to Vegas
and not call me up and ask me who I like?
When you know this is my profession. You know I
could make you tons of money and you don't even
tell me you're going. You know, you know who I
did text as our own Steve Hartman here, who was
you know, fancies himself a good college analyst. And how
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did he do for you? Not great? He told me
about Florida minus the fourteen and a half uh a
late touchdown with thirty eight seconds left. And I told
my brother was in Vegas today, I told him the
bet that Dallas stars and the over five and a
half goals. Boom boom. How about that, big boy? Well,
I will say I have a buddied Gavin if it
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makes you feel better, professional better, he said, Florida and
whatever the spread was, I think it was minus what
do you say, my third team fourteen and a half?
What I got at the Orange Bowl. He told me
that was his favorite bet, So don't feel bad. It's
a professional better not Bernie Frido. Bernie Frido, by the way,
shout out to Bernie's. He said Oregon was his favorite
bet of of the Bull season, and they wanted I
don't know what the spread was, but yeah, but when
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that was they were getting three points. There you go.
That's why we bring on Bernie every freaking week. No,
that was that was a good pick there. We'll come back.
I want to talk a little bit about a hardball.
We'll talk about that Alabama Michigan game and what's going
on in the Sugar Bowl. All that's coming up next.
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Check it out on w HBC dot Com. It's Kenny
Rhoda Kenny. Right off the bat, let's kind of give
us an update, take us from the start. Coach gone,
GM gone? Were we on the interviewing process? Kind of?
Let's let's take it back a step a little bit. Well,
it sounds like they're gonna start interviewing the head coaches
first before they interview the general manager, maybe because who
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they hire as head coach might want to bring in
his own general manager. So I don't know if that's
a good thing or a bad thing. Do you want
to hire the GM first, to be in the process,
to be involved with the process of hiring the coach
or vice versa. Sounds like tomorrow. Wait, today's Wednesday at
the holiday weeks, throwing me all off. Yeah, it is
Thursday here on the the East coast, So today supposedly
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Mike McCarthy is gonna get an interview the former Green
Bay Packers head coach. Uh. They also are looking into
a possible interview out on the left coast, I think
coming up this weekend with San Francisco's defensive coordinator Roberts Law.
And then some other names that are being thrown around.
Of course, Josh McDaniels. He's a Canton, Ohio native with
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the Bill Belichick in company, So it sounds like they're
starting with the coaches first. And as we know it now,
at least the Haslem's Jimmy and d the owners, along
with their son in law who is the executive VP,
J W. Johnson, and the former baseball analytics s guru UH,
Paul D. Podesta, who's the chief strategy officer that's gonna
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be the committee that is putting the coaching search together
to determine is gonna be the next head coach of
the Brown. So that's what we know at this point.
The one thing that I had heard earlier in the week, Kenny,
was the possibility of exactly what you said, that there
were certain coaches that wanted the autonomy to either bring
in their guy or work together on player personnel. Does
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that mean that I know you said there's four or
five candidates that are being interviewed, but is there one
guy that maybe they they they let John Dorsey go
in mind knowing that if I wanted to get X,
Y or Z guy, we gotta get rid of John Dorsey.
I think it's Josh McDaniels, to be perfectly honest with you,
and um, that's a risky move considering how things ended
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in Indianapolis with Josh McDaniels, Right, So if you're gonna
put all your eggs in that basket and get rid
of John Dorsey, because you know, Josh McDaniels might want
to bring his own guy with him from the New
England Patriots, or maybe even a former Patriot front office
guy like Scott Pioli. You're taking a risk there, but
if you want him bad enough and he knows that,
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then he has the leverage over you. Because you've been
an an absolute disaster under the Haslem's ownership. Guys, because
I was getting ready to talk with you and preparing
for my show tomorrow. Uh. The Haslem since they took ownership,
which was in October of twelve, during that twelve season,
they have fired six head coaches for the Cleveland Browns.
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They have fired Pat Shermer, who also got fired by
the Giants, UH, Chazinski, Petton Jackson, Kitchens, and don't forget
Great Williams, who was the Internet head coach. They fired
him too, although all he did was go five and three.
He's got the best head coaching record out of all
the head coaches the Haslems have had. So they fired
six head coaches and they have now fired five general
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managers in their seven plus years as owners of this team.
Kenny Am I the way person that didn't know that
John Dorsey wasn't doing a good job. I thought he
was doing well. He got to the quarterback God Chubb,
God Beckham, got Kareem Hunt, God Vernon. I thought he
was doing a pretty good job. Well, what we've come
to learn is it was John Dorsey who pushed for
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the hiring of Freddie Kitchens, and that was maybe the
nail in his coffin because there were others in the
organization who liked Freddy, but also like Kevin Stefanski, who's
the current Vikings offensive coordinator. One of those guys that
liked him was Paul D. Podesta, So maybe that gives
the Podesta some leverage even though he's out on your
coast out there during the season, he's not in Cleveland
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during the season. Uh, he may have now more say
and who gets hired as the head coach. So that
probably is the biggest negative for John Dorsey was the
hiring of Freddie Kitchens. In one year they go six
and ten when expectations from myself and a lot of
people were ten and six and challenge for the division title,
something they haven't won in thirty years. Something I was
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thinking about kind of as you were laying out the
stats on the coaches and the g MS, Kenny, we
outside of Cleveland, like we have this perception of that
ownership group that it's complete chaos and all those things,
and it seems like a fair assessment. Um, are the
has Them's aware of how they're perceived? Do they care?
Because I would think after all this chaos of all
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these years, they might have pumped the brakes a little bit,
just just from a perception standpoint, But it seems like
they don't care. They don't. Jimmy has them. He's a
billionaire and he's gonna do just like Dan Snyder, just
like Jerry Jones. Right, these guys happy he goes and
they made their money doing it their way. They don't
give a damn what you me. The fans think's let's
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be honest, they don't care. It's their team. It's like
when we were growing up as kids, if the game
was being played in my backyard, it's my ball, it's
my bat, my rules. If you don't like it, well
you can go home and I'm gonna stay here and
play it my way. That's the way Jimmy has them
is doing this. And we've come to hear these press
conferences almost annually every year or every other year, that
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you know this is the right guys, a leader of men.
We we finally have it figured out and they're all
happy with everything, and then they go six and ten
or Hugh Jackson goes three thirty six and one, and
so they make these changes. I will give him. I'll
give him this credit. Freddie Kitchens was just a complete disaster,
a dumpster fire as a head coach. Great guy, great guy,
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but he was not prepared to be a head coach
and not just a head coach the first time ever
head coach at any level. Oh yeah, and he's calling
his plays for the first time for a full season
at the NFL level. So I give them credit for
looking at that and saying, there's too much talent on
this football team for us to go six and ten
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and uh, to you know, finish out of the playoffs.
We're not gonna stand for this. Screw continuity, screw stability.
We need to get this solved. And so I give
them credit for going out making the change there. And uh,
Supposedly they went to John Dorsey and said, look, we
want you to take a different role now in the
organization because we're thinking of doing this. And John said,
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buddy boy, I'm not interested in that. Uh and uh
he said no, thank you, Kenny. You know the jersey,
the one I'm talking about with all the quarterback's names
on the back of it. Um, we're gonna add Baker
Mayfield to that jersey? Was that is the one that
we're gonna discarded? Is Baker Mayfield? The danger of being
on the on the back of that jersey? Is the
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next quarterback out his way out or what? I think?
He's number thirty on the back of that list of
quarterback since n so he's already on at The question is, yeah,
will somebody replace him? Um? I don't think so. They
drafted him number one overall. He had one good season,
one bad season. Intercept or twenty two touchdowns, twenty one
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interceptions this year, was not consistent, was inaccurate. His strength
was his accuracy at Texas Tech in Oklahoma and his
first year in the NFL. Now, some people might say, well,
Freddie Kitchens held him back or didn't bring him along,
along with a sophomore slump and maybe too many commercials
that Baker did in the offseason and not focusing enough
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on football. So I think he's safe at least for
another season. But then again that depends on the GM
and the head coach. So whoever they bring in here,
Mike McCarthy, you know the guy that's gonna interview later today.
Obviously has worked with some good quarterbacks. So if there's
I guess anybody that could fix Baker Mayfield or make
him better, help him, it might be Mike McCarthy. Josh
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McDaniels has worked with Tom Brady. There are reports, and
depending on who you want to believe, with these reports
out there that McDaniels and the Patriots liked um Baker
Mayfield when he was coming out in the draft. So
if he gets the job, he'll he's gonna stay for
at least next year, I think, regardless of who the
head coaches, and then I think they'll re evaluate year
number three along with years one and two and determine
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where they go from there. He's Kenny Rhoda. You can
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great insight, always a pleasure. Nobody knows Cleveland better than you.
Will catch up with you later on, Buddy, Yeah, I say,
will probably be talking somewhere in the not too distant future,
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The a lot of news kind of coming out. We'll
try to figure that out. Is Ryan Fowler from tuscal Loose,
Alabama will join us in our number two. But first,
on a sad note, uh, David Stirren, at the age
of seventy seven passes away, former commissioner of the NBA.
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I saw all the tweets coming out from former and
current players. UM, that was absolutely devastated. He was certainly
a loved and important commissioner, probably one of the best
out of all the four major sports. You talk about
a guy that was a problem solvereign and a visionary
that looked into the future. That was David Stern. He
(01:07):
put the n B a I was gonna say on
the map he was the NBA along with when you
talk about magic and Larry Um, you better brought up
David Stern's name in there too. So I'm gonna get
back to David Stern in a minute, But I do
want to note something else just kind of came across
my Twitter timeline, which is a little bit sad, the
New York Post Arnie. And I'm not making this up,
not trying to be funny or anything. Reporting Don Larson, Mr.
(01:30):
Perfect Game in the World Series actually just passed away
today as well. So uh so for people, you know,
I don't want to start the showing a down note,
but the David Stern stuff happened. This happened in terms
of David Stern, I agree a percent. And you know
when I when I was growing up, I mean I
grew up really in that heyday of Jordan and the Bulls,
and I was I was kind of at the tail
end of burden. The Celtics and the sport felt so
(01:54):
big and it's continued to grow. Uh and and everything
that that guy has was a part of. David earned
everything that the NBA is today, love it or hate it. Uh,
The International elements of the game, the globalization, everything that
the NBA is is in large part two A couple
of people, Michael Jordan, but also David Stern as well. Absolutely,
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and you know there was even they were talking about
it at the at the Winter Classic. It was he
was also you know, part of hockey too, and um,
it's just that he was just beloved by so many
people and like I said, so important to the NBA. Member. UM.
I think it was what nineteen seventy nine when um,
you know, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Indiana State and of
(02:37):
course Michigan State, the NBA Finals. Not only were they
on tape delay. You're talking about like an eleven thirty
at night. Think about that, the NBA Finals, the NBA Finals,
you would have to stay up till about eleven thirty
at night. UM. I don't know if you'd hear the finals.
You probably hear the final score listening to the radio.
There was no internet back then, and you would watch
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the game tape the aid um three four hours later.
That's how far down the NBA was at that time.
It's incredible. And you know it's funny because we spent
so much time in these last few months talking about
NBA ratings up, down, whatever, We're still talking about an
NBA Finals that draws between fifteen and twenty million people
for all seven games in the NBA Finals, let alone
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the first rounds of the playoffs, let alone the All
Star Game, let alone the regular season games. And I
think that what you just said encapsulates this more than anything.
Is where the league was when he got there, Where
where it was obviously when he handed over to Adam
Silver a few years ago, you know, over the last
year or so. Uh. And that brings me up to
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my point because I've talked about the NBA being a
little bit of a trouble now because it really kind
of lacks star power, and I think you most mostly
playing jumps down my throat when I say that, going,
what are you talking about? There's plenty of stars. The
NBA is in great position, um And then we look
at the ratings being down tremendously, and then people like
(04:00):
you and other people on Twitter telling me it's because
Lebron James switched, you know, conferences. Well, if one guy
can you know plummet ratings like that, NBA's not in
such great shape. There might be a lot of stars
out there, but not a lot of stars that you
really say, I must watch TV not listen. I don't disagree,
and I think it speaks to the larger point of
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I think that the NBA needs a little I think
Adam Silver, the new commissioner, needs a little more David
Stern in him. I think a lot of the problems
that the NBA is facing is stuff that, um, whether
it is guys changing teams, load management, guys sitting out
big national TV games. The thing about David Stern was,
and it's funny because I'm watching TV and they're showing
(04:45):
him and he's this little, tiny man, but um, he
kind of verbally carried a big punch and he wasn't
he wasn't afraid to step up two players to ownership,
to whoever for the good of the league. And so
when you bring up the Lebron James situation, uh, the
sinking ratings, I think a lot of the NBA's problems
are in large part because Adam Silver doesn't have enough
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David Stern in him in terms of leadership and kind
of uh toughness and all those kind of things. You know,
you may be right on that the leadership that David
Stern had really second to none. And also, you know,
when you look at what David Stern has done over
the years and where he left the n b A,
I mean the owners you want to talk having deep
pockets because of David Stern, That's exactly what happened. And
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he made them all. I mean, yeah, they were rich
to begin with, but beyond their wildest dream. So if
you want to comment on David Stern, um certainly do that.
Feel free. Errand on the score tours, I'm in stinking
genius one. But a lot of college football today. How
about that Oregon Wisconsin gave my friend Oregon Winzart twenty
twenty seven. I was so pumped up. I mean I
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was getting choked up. I was emotional. First of all,
great game, love the rose Ball. Now Oregon is gonna
move on to play to play? Uh uh nobody. I
guess right, it's over. You know it was a meaningless game?
Is that what you're telling me? Torres? Is? Is this
what everybody was like? They were celebrating after the game,
like they won the championship. I was confused. I'm like,
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do they move on? Are they in the playoffs? Does
the winner of this game. Move on, What were they celebrating.
I don't understand. I thought it being a new year,
you'd be a lot more jovial and happy and friendly. Well,
they were celebrating because they won a big game. Because
this is the biggest game that a lot of those
guys ever played in. And no it's not a championship,
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and yes it sucks, and yes they would have liked
to be in the College Football Playoff, but they just
went to the freaking Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl still matter,
Like these bowl games still matter to these kids, especially
the big ones. I mean, I was watching that Citrus
Bowl today. Jerry Judy, the m v P of the
Citrus Bowl, is Alabama's wide receiver who's gonna be a
top ten pick, and he decided to play in that game.
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We're hearing about two of potentially coming back because of
the fact that he wants to finish strong and all
those things. He wants to be with this team. Don't
tell me all this stuff doesn't matter these guys. What
what do you have against them? Sellbrating on the field.
By the way, you know what, I won't tell you
that it was meaningless. Let me have everybody else tell
you like ed on Twitter that just said what the
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college football Playoff did to me? Now is I have
zero interest in any of the other bowl games out there.
And you Chris says, what an amazing day of college
football playoff? Oh wait, those are all meaningless exhibitions, and
it goes on and on and on on Twitter. Um,
it's all the same thing, Aaron. What the Rose Ball
(07:40):
didn't mean anything fifteen years ago either. It was still
an exhibition game. It was still it didn't determine anything
other than the winner of that game on that day.
So you can't sit here and talk about the glory
days of the Rose Bowl Boschem Beckler, Earl Bruce, Ohio
State and say that it was that much better. It
didn't mean anything back then anymore than it means now.
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Not true. It's not true. It's not because there's there's
a playoff now. Back then, okay, you could the winner
had a chance of winning a mythical championship by vote. Also,
it was a battle of the Pac ten and the
Big ten Um. Sometimes you don't always get that matchup,
but was tradition and it's still traditions. Mayban may mean
(08:26):
suppose I told you the Jets were playing the Dolphins.
It's a different sports Friday before the playoff games on Saturday,
you'd say, and yeah, what am I gonna watch that one?
And you say, though you would not, And same thing here,
just like everybody's saying on Twitter, meaningless college games. What
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are you celebrating there? You're not in the playoffs. You
don't get to advance. It was a great year. If
you're celebrating that, you graduate, right, So you're gonna be
watching all the bull games tomorrow and the rest of
the way, is what you're telling me? Or what Arnie?
I see all these grainy videos of you shooting three
pointers at the Burlington y m c A. So because
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you didn't win the NBA Championship, you're not allowed to
celebrate and throw your hands up like you're James Hardy.
It's the exact same thing. So you get way with
You're going to watch BC in Cincinnati, Indiana, and Tennessee, Ohio,
and Nevada, Southern miss And two when you're all into that,
aren't you? Those are coming up? Also, what's your favorite
(09:28):
TV show? Cops? Yeah? I bet it is, because you've
you've been on a few episodes. I think the reason
I ask if if it isn't UM whatever, if it
isn't the Nature Channel or not GEO. You're watching stuff
because it's entertaining. If you're watching n c I S
or you're watching the Simpsons, or you're watching Big Bang Theory,
(09:51):
which isn't even on TV anymore, you're watching for entertainment.
You're not watching the Big Bang Theory, Uh, to learn
something or to whatever. It's the same with all these
Bowl games. It's just entertainment. The kids that don't want
to play don't play. But the for these kids one,
it's first of all, it's a great chance for them
to for some guys to get opportunities, this, that, the
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other thing. But the it's a great It's just fun.
I don't understand why you're so anti fun. I'm not
anti fun. I'm I'm just looking at the everybody's getting emotionals.
Like I said, look at all the Twitter that agrees
with me. Um. It's kind of like a meaningless exhibition.
That's why we watched. I don't ever want to hear
you saying anything against any kids that want to sit
(10:34):
up for the NFL. I know you better hold up
to that now. I actually tweeted that today I said,
I don't begrudge anybody that sits out of these games,
but I'll tell you who. I give credit to, a
kid like Jerry Judy Top five pick DeAndre Swift playing
for Georgia. Right now. They're leading Rusher who's banged up
and he wants to finish strong at Georgia. I just
don't think there's anything wrong with these games still meaning
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something to these kids, the opportunity to play one more time,
the opportunity for some of the young guys to get opportunities.
I just don't understand, Like, why does everything have to matter,
you know, every time? Excuse me, so I forgot your millennial.
We let me give you your your little fruit punch
and we'll give you a straw. Here's some orange slices,
and we can all say I'm a millennial. I don't
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use straws because they're bad for the environment. So let's
let's get that done. Be sure to catch live editions
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and the I Heart Radio app. All right, let me
get to this story. If you want conspiracy theories. Quarterback
(11:41):
Brock van de griff he decommitted out of Oklahoma. Uh.
There's a a tweet or a clip of him asking
would you ever leave or de commit from Oklahoma if
Lincoln Riley wasn't there? He said no, absolutely, he said,
the last couple of months have brought to my attention
how hard it is going to be for me to
attend college so far away from home. I would like
to thank coach Riley, Coach beam Er, Coach Hill, and
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the rest of the football staff at Oklahoma for the opportunity.
With that being said, will be d committing and opening
my recruitment back up. No interview, no interviews, Please please
respect my decision. Thank you. All right, A couple of
things on this. First of all, why did he did commit?
Did he really want to be close to home? He
is from Georgia. He was looking at other schools that
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were down to like Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee
before he picked Oklahoma. Or does he know something that
we don't know? And maybe Lincoln Riley could be the
next coach of the Dallas Cowboys. So I will tell
you this as somebody who's covered college sports for years.
Uh more so the basketball side. In the football side,
the first people to know uh stuff about this is
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always the recruits in the au coaches and hey, this
this guy might be on his way out and all
that stuff. And so when by well, how do they
hear it? Do they hear it from the other coaches
that says you're better d commit because I hear he's
going to the Cowboys? Well, a lot of times it's Hey,
I'm Lincoln Riley, the Um, I'm the Eastern Michigan coach.
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I know you're committed to me. By the way, I
haven't announced it you, but I'm going to Oklahoma. So
usually that's how all this stuff gets out. Um. But
but he would Lincoln Riley would never have said anything.
Oh yeah, No. In this case, it's not really as applicable.
I will add though, that if the timing, this kid
has been committed for quite a while, the fact that
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he woke up New Year's resolution he wants to be
closer to home. The fact that he woke up in
January after being committed to this program for months and
realized how far away from home it is. It feels
weird to me. The timing of it. You just never
know that. So you're saying, where there's smoke, there's fire,
or did the kid I've just change your heart? You know?
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Did he just say I did wake up? And it's
saying and I think I do want to be closer
at all though. Isn't he a little bit late in
the recruiting process? But I guess not worried about that,
being a he's prospect, so he's only a junior. But um,
I don't have a good answer to this because he
committed back in June, and it just feels weird that
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now is the time that he's realized how how far
away Oklahoma is from Georgia, especially in light of the
speculation when Lincoln Riley. Maybe we're looking too much into
this because kids do commit decommit all the time, but
being a top flight quarterback going to the place where
the quarterback guru is, every quarterback wants to play for
Lincoln Riley right now. Um, it does feel a little
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bizarre to me. I guess here here's my only thing
on this is my one question though, what is taking
so long on the Cowboys end, Because it's not as
though Lincoln Riley is preparing for a bowl game or
his team still in the playoff. Lincoln riley season is done,
so in theory, the Cowboys could call his agents say hey,
this is the number, you know, fill in the blank,
check whatever. I guess that would be. My only thing is,
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why would the Cowboys be taking so long on their end? Well,
maybe that's what they're doing. Maybe they've contacted Lincoln Riley's
agent and they want to go ahead and move Jason
Garrett up in the front office somewhere like that, or
not make any announcement until they get that sign seal
and delivered. Also, I don't know. It's a speculation, but
I mean we have to speculate because nobody's saying anything. No.
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I think that's totally fair. Um, I'm just confused, listen.
I will say though, and you and I've been talking
about this for three days really four dating back to Saturday.
I'm just confused in general with what's going on with
the Cowboys in general. We got another meeting which at
Jason Garrett tomorrow, So I don't know what is taking
so long, But you would think Lincoln Riley's season is done.
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He's available to talk if By the way, Matt Rule,
who was playing in a Bowl game today, was was
scheduling interviews with NFL teams, and so if he can
do that, Lincoln Riley could as well. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Harman weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. All Right, good, even,
I know, I'm good. I heard you the first time.
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I was getting into the music. Thank you listening to
this on my eight track on the way over. Did
you Church Street last night or what? That's the only
street I know in Burlington might be the only street
in Berlin. I got off at two o'clock in the morning.
This this town rolls up at h around except on
New Years. Yeah, about six pm. The police pull me
over as I'm heading on in after work at six
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o'clock and they go hy yacht so they they see
your lights on to do the show and there somebody
calls in a disturbance. Yeah. I live in the middle
of nowhere, so I'm pretty much off the grid. I
live in the middle of a big field. If you, uh,
you know, did Google maps, you'll see me in the
middle of a big field somewhere out in Vermont, so
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you know you'll never find me. All right, let's get
to our guests. We wanted to find out what's going
on with TA has a big announcement on Monday. Is
he really gonna come back to Alabama? Should he come
back to Alabama? Joining us down from the tide one
point nine? Does afternoon drive out there? It's Ryan Fowler, Right,
you've kind of hinted that you thought maybe he would
go back to Alabama. I don't want to put words
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in your mouth. What's the latest there? Well, I mean
it's just a gut feeling and I still feel the
same way. I just steel like the gut tells me
that that he's gonna come back to Alabama. That that's
literally I've talked to because I think everything has been
so quiet here. It's not been like you know that
to but it's been these little I guess, little tweets
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and encryptic tweets, and I just think that, uh, he's
gonna make the announcement to come back to Alabama. Just
I just that's my gut feeling. And I don't have
any any inside information because I don't think really probably
Nick saving his parents are the only people that really know.
I mean, I've checked a couple of people that have
got no response. So I just don't think it's it's
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out there. But but I do think that the lean
is here locally in Tuscaloosa, that it's But he also
gotta remember everybody's biased, right, I mean they wanted to
come back. Sure, Sorry, n I didn't mean to cut
you off. Do you think this was kind of my
theory I floated to Arnie earlier, is I had heard
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rumblings earlier this week, not just from you, but from
some other people that that this really was a possibility.
Do you think the fact that he's waiting five days
that he's gonna be away from the team. It's one
thing to be a rah Ram coming back when you're
around the boys, but waiting until Monday, getting away from
the guys, getting away from the locker room, do you
think that could sway him the other way? Or does
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that not have any impact? Well? No, Listen, I've said
that multiple times because the easiest thing to say, and
that's for any player, whether it's Henry Rugs or whether
it's Serior Judy, your Xavier McKinney. I mean, if you're
hanging around the guys. I mean it's just like all
of us, you know, all of us want to go
to the ball game. Well, we all say we're gonna
go to the ball game. You know, we're sitting around
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the guys and we say we want to go to
ball game. When we get home, what was the wife say, Well,
I thought I thought you guys wanted I thought we
were gonna do this this, but you know, and then
it's like you automatically text the guys and he said,
you know, I don't think I won't be able to
go the game. I thought you said you were going
to the game. And I think that's a lot of
you know, what has went on inside that locker room
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is is you know, it's the it's you know you
Because I think I think Alabama is going to bring
a lot of these juniors back. I'll be shocked because
they've been gutted from the last everybody that's been on
the fence. It seems like they've gone to the NFL
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that they've elected to uh forego their senior season enter
in the NFL Draft. I think Alibeba gets the flip
this year. I think they'll be as several of these
guys are gonna be coming back, and we've already seen
that first move. You know, Dylan Moses, even though he
was hurt, he was still projected. Guy has been recruited
since he was eighth friend, but he he was still
projected as a first frowned guy. He's coming back, So
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that that's big news there. And that's a guy that
I mean, you don't have to explain the intrigue bug
to him. He experienced it before the season never started.
You know, Ryan, I always say, but the show is today.
You know, whenever we argue with whatever I argue with Torres,
the shows today. His decisions on Monday. Is there any
mock draft that you're looking at? Is there anybody told
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him that he's not going to be a top five pick,
that he's dropping down past fifteen or to the bottom
of the first round. Not that anything I've seen. So
why would he come back if pretty much everything shows
that he'll be a top five pick, no worse than
the top ten pick, for sure. But see, every one
of us are basing it on one thing. We're basing
it on that he's gonna be able to go out
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and do some type of workouts, and if he's told
us even in some interviews that he doesn't even know
if he's gonna be like like, when this injury first happened,
they were just worried about him being able to walk
again at the correct way. And now this was right
when it first happened. I mean there was some you know,
some initial of course that didn't sound good. And you
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know then you see the helicopter flying into Birmingham AM
and you're like, hold on him in a helicopter, but ball,
I mean, you know, whoa, whoa, and and so I
just think that to me, and this is the way
I've always processed it. I've always looked at it because
the NFL will tell you anything, but there is more
security in coming back than there is in the NFL
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trap in his situation. If he looks at it, he says, hey,
I'm gonna put my name in the hat. Well, you
may get to the week before y'all go to Vegas
and you go, man, he's falling. He's falling because some
some medical test somebody didn't clear him with their doctors.
And they basically listen, I'm not gonna sign off on him.
I'm just not gonna sign up. I'm not ready. I
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don't think he's where he needs to be. So if
if he goes into the NFL, brow like he cannot
have any setbacks because there's just not enough time. I mean,
there is such a time window that if it goes
three or four days, that that that could make the
difference between him and having a chance to work out.
Have you, guys, I mean, we've been in this business
a long time. You've got covered the NFL more than
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I do. Is there have you ever had a player
that was drafted in the top ten that wasn't able
to work out, that was not able to go through
a medical physical. But I would say I would just
say Ryan, the difference is that he is a star
quarterback in a quarterback driven league. But I do want
to you brought up something that I don't think has
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really kind of been discussed in this conversation. Are we
positive that if he comes back, like you said, you know,
who knows if if a if A doctor will clear him.
Are we under the assumption that one that he's going
that if he has enough time, regardless of whether it's
in college or the NFL, that he will be cleared
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by all doctors, or is there still the possibility that
somebody says, like, dude, he's never gonna be the same again.
And I bring that up because I'm you know, the
thing that I kind of struggle with is what if
he comes back to Alabama. If he goes into the
draft and he um, you know, he can make up
anything about oh, you know, I'm on this recovery. But
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if he comes back to Alabama and he isn't ready
to play week one, that would be my bigger concern
about coming back. Are we positive that he will be
ready to go to start the season if he does
come back to Bama. No, No, I don't think we
are because and this is the part that's unknown, because
you know, he does have a red shirt. So I've all,
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I mean, listen, I've I've went through. I've got pages
of just notes for pros and cons for myself. No,
we we listen. Has he progressed the guy's already off
the little scooter that he's been riding around Susclusive for
the last month. Okay, he's already off that he's now
on a crutch. It's a single crutch. Okay, so everything
up until this point, but listen, we don't know what's
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going to react when a three pounds defensive lineman hits
you on that hip. And I don't think he knows.
I'm sorry, right, I just want to ask him a
more thing though, And I'm not picking on you, but
how come there hasn't been a leak? How come you
guys haven't heard of any uh you know inside info
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a week? Why is this being kept so tight? Does
that mean he's going to come back? And they really
kept a tight lip because I figured if he was
going to go, that kind of would have snuck out
well and and see I do too, I do too,
because there would be it's like once he comes out
or if he makes the decision, well then you go
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through the interview of the agent process or you think
about the agent, and then that other body knows well
who benefits from the league, because if you have teams
that now begin to think about it. And there's also
you know, a guy like to a tongue about loam
is also an endorsement guy. I mean, could you imagine
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the amount of endorsements. So we're talking about forty days here.
If he would have declared, then that's a chance to
make money and especial football. So I just think everything
points tell us that anything can change. I mean, this
is a fluid situation. He may come out on Monday
and walk out with all the other juniors and say, hey, guys, uh,
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I thought about it. I've changed my mind. But I
just think going into this weekend, I feel pretty comfortable
with my gut that tells me everything has been dropped
and everything that we've been here locally, that there's a
good chance that he comes back. He's Ryan Fowler. He
does the afternoons on the Tide on point nine afternoon
drive down there in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Ryan always a pleasure.
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If you hear anything, please pick up the phone, give
us a call, text, tweet through something. All Right, all right,
you guys have an awesome rest of the day. Man,
Thank you guys so much. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays
at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio app. What I do
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think is interesting is the last part that Ryan brought
up is he got hurt with two or three weeks
left in the regular season. Correct the fact that he
is waiting until January five or sixth to make a
quote unquote announcement. You would think there's really no announcement
to make. And and what I looked at over the
last couple of weeks, meaning that he was gonna go. Yeah,
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of course he's gonna be a top fifteen pick. I
think I know five everything I've seen the shows today,
I think Ryan's drinking a little too much of the
saving cool aid of But he could fall. He ain't
gonna fall. But that's independent. That's different of whether he
will come back, as opposed to he should come back.
So the thing that I noticed over the last couple
of weeks, he was not acting like a guy who
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is getting ready to go to the NFL, because again,
he could have announced. Listen, we were on air the
day he got hurt. We were on air saying, this
is the last we've ever seen two at Alabama, and
hopefully this isn't the last we've ever seen him on
a football field. It was a foregone conclusion. The fact
that he stayed with the program, the fact that he
traveled with them to the bowl game, the acted as
Ryan alluded to, I don't even know if he alluded
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to it tonight, but a few nights ago when he
joined us that he's been posting these little cryptic things
on social media and Snapchat and Twitter and whatever. I'm
not saying he should come back, but every little thing
kind of points to the fact that he might be.
Shouldn't have that been leaked out? Though, When you think
somebody at Alabama has said, guess what, you're not gonna
believe this. He's don't say anything, but he's coming back,
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you know what I mean? Yeah, because you're gonna be
the guy that when Salman finds out that the word
got up. I mean, we've seen what he said, what
he what? What happens when Lane Kiffin just calls a
bad play? Can you imagine if that got out? Um?
Whit Where you don't think things get leaked all the time?
What are you insane? Coaches leaving get leaked out all
the time. Not at Alabama they don't. Yeah, I mean
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not at Alabama, So I'm not It's it's a fascinating
thing to me. I will say this. I think we
talked about it's the first day of If he comes back,
that will be one of the craziest stories of just
considering that we all it was just a foregone conclusion,
and even a few weeks ago when he had that
interview with Kirk curb Street, I was thinking, in my head, Okay,
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this sounds good. It's the right thing to say. I
didn't even really kind of pick up on this until
Ryan came on the Jason Smith Mike Harmon Show on
Monday with us when we were filling in that this
was even a possibility. And as I said, everything seems
to be trending that way the last couple of days.
By the way, you know who has the real answer
on whether he's coming back or not, don't you? Uh,
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all you have to do is follow the money trail
that's Vegas. When Bertie comes on, well, because I'm sure
somewhere you can bet it is to a coming back
plus whatever, minus whatever. Let's see what Vegas has to say.
Was if Vegas, Vegas says, um, he's going back to
Alabama minus seven hundred seven, the one that you're like, okay,
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that he's going back because they're not gonna lose you
know what I mean, that type of money, if you're
gonna go opposite. So I'm gonna be curious to see
what kind of odds Vegas puts out and whether two
is coming back. That would really spell I mean unless
they make uh, you know, him leaving such a big underdog.
I may bet that also, I could maybe make somebody
on this door as It's actually funny you say that
because I I texted Bernie the day after we had
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Ryan Fowler on text. Bernie again asked him what the
what the line would be on this one. I'll see
what he's saying. My phone's almost dead, so you might
have to come on get Gavin to do something. I'm
such a millennial I don't even charge my phone because
it's too much electurcy. But no, so, but I texted Bernie,
I said, hey, man, is do we got title odds
out yet? Because I assumed that Clemson in Ohio state
with Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields would be the favorite
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for next season without Tah And I was like and
and he told me they don't. But I'm just saying
it's Matt Rule just spit on himself. It was so gross.
He went to spit on the floor and it landed
right on his chest. It was so gross. And the
numbers I'm seen just really quickly on the two decisions,
are yes would be minus three fifty sounds wait wait wait,
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yes that he that he would uh that he would
declare for the draft him sorry, so the requests for
the draft minus so three and a half to one. Yeah,
and then no, he'll go back to college is plus
two thirty. That's you can make yourself a lot of
money if you think he's going back. Based on the
stuff you were saying, Torres, you could. You could make
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a boatload of money if you have some inside info
and you feel like all those cryptic tweets have something
to do with this thing. I'm telling you over two
to one. Well, let's go, Arnie, let's collect our paychecks
and in the Vegas let's go. Okay, that sounds good.
I picked me up along the way. By the way,
the sports betting in Vegas did not do great for me.
The last couple of days. It was, well, you know what,
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shame on you, And I was gonna get to you
later on. I mean, how dare you go to Vegas
and not call me up and ask me who I like?
When you know this is my profession. You know I
could make you tons of money and you don't even
tell me you're going. You know, you know who I
did text as our own Steve Hartman here, who was
you know, fancies himself a good college analyst. And how
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did he do for you? Not great? He told me
about Florida minus the fourteen and a half uh a
late touchdown with thirty eight seconds left. And I told
my brother was in Vegas today, I told him the
bet that Dallas stars and the over five and a
half goals. Boom boom. How about that, big boy? Well,
I will say I have a buddied Gavin if it
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makes you feel better, professional better, he said, Florida and
whatever the spread was, I think it was minus what
do you say, my third team fourteen and a half?
What I got at the Orange Bowl. He told me
that was his favorite bet, So don't feel bad. It's
a professional better not Bernie Frido. Bernie Frido, by the way,
shout out to Bernie's. He said Oregon was his favorite
bet of of the Bull season, and they wanted I
don't know what the spread was, but yeah, but when
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that was they were getting three points. There you go.
That's why we bring on Bernie every freaking week. No,
that was that was a good pick there. We'll come back.
I want to talk a little bit about a hardball.
We'll talk about that Alabama Michigan game and what's going
on in the Sugar Bowl. All that's coming up next.
He's Aaron Torre. S'm Marny Spaniard. We're in for Jason
Smith and his best friend Mike Carman right here on
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Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harman weekdays at ten
pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. Lots of moves going on
in the NFL, joining us now, he covers the Browns.
Does a radio show out there called Kenny and the
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Check it out on w HBC dot Com. It's Kenny
Rhoda Kenny. Right off the bat, let's kind of give
us an update, take us from the start. Coach gone,
GM gone? Were we on the interviewing process? Kind of?
Let's let's take it back a step a little bit. Well,
it sounds like they're gonna start interviewing the head coaches
first before they interview the general manager, maybe because who
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they hire as head coach might want to bring in
his own general manager. So I don't know if that's
a good thing or a bad thing. Do you want
to hire the GM first, to be in the process,
to be involved with the process of hiring the coach
or vice versa. Sounds like tomorrow. Wait, today's Wednesday at
the holiday weeks, throwing me all off. Yeah, it is
Thursday here on the the East coast, So today supposedly
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Mike McCarthy is gonna get an interview the former Green
Bay Packers head coach. Uh. They also are looking into
a possible interview out on the left coast, I think
coming up this weekend with San Francisco's defensive coordinator Roberts Law.
And then some other names that are being thrown around.
Of course, Josh McDaniels. He's a Canton, Ohio native with
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the Bill Belichick in company, So it sounds like they're
starting with the coaches first. And as we know it now,
at least the Haslem's Jimmy and d the owners, along
with their son in law who is the executive VP,
J W. Johnson, and the former baseball analytics s guru UH,
Paul D. Podesta, who's the chief strategy officer that's gonna
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be the committee that is putting the coaching search together
to determine is gonna be the next head coach of
the Brown. So that's what we know at this point.
The one thing that I had heard earlier in the week, Kenny,
was the possibility of exactly what you said, that there
were certain coaches that wanted the autonomy to either bring
in their guy or work together on player personnel. Does
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that mean that I know you said there's four or
five candidates that are being interviewed, but is there one
guy that maybe they they they let John Dorsey go
in mind knowing that if I wanted to get X,
Y or Z guy, we gotta get rid of John Dorsey.
I think it's Josh McDaniels, to be perfectly honest with you,
and um, that's a risky move considering how things ended
(34:36):
in Indianapolis with Josh McDaniels, Right, So if you're gonna
put all your eggs in that basket and get rid
of John Dorsey, because you know, Josh McDaniels might want
to bring his own guy with him from the New
England Patriots, or maybe even a former Patriot front office
guy like Scott Pioli. You're taking a risk there, but
if you want him bad enough and he knows that,
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then he has the leverage over you. Because you've been
an an absolute disaster under the Haslem's ownership. Guys, because
I was getting ready to talk with you and preparing
for my show tomorrow. Uh. The Haslem since they took ownership,
which was in October of twelve, during that twelve season,
they have fired six head coaches for the Cleveland Browns.
(35:17):
They have fired Pat Shermer, who also got fired by
the Giants, UH, Chazinski, Petton Jackson, Kitchens, and don't forget
Great Williams, who was the Internet head coach. They fired
him too, although all he did was go five and three.
He's got the best head coaching record out of all
the head coaches the Haslems have had. So they fired
six head coaches and they have now fired five general
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managers in their seven plus years as owners of this team.
Kenny Am I the way person that didn't know that
John Dorsey wasn't doing a good job. I thought he
was doing well. He got to the quarterback God Chubb,
God Beckham, got Kareem Hunt, God Vernon. I thought he
was doing a pretty good job. Well, what we've come
to learn is it was John Dorsey who pushed for
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the hiring of Freddie Kitchens, and that was maybe the
nail in his coffin because there were others in the
organization who liked Freddy, but also like Kevin Stefanski, who's
the current Vikings offensive coordinator. One of those guys that
liked him was Paul D. Podesta, So maybe that gives
the Podesta some leverage even though he's out on your
coast out there during the season, he's not in Cleveland
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during the season. Uh, he may have now more say
and who gets hired as the head coach. So that
probably is the biggest negative for John Dorsey was the
hiring of Freddie Kitchens. In one year they go six
and ten when expectations from myself and a lot of
people were ten and six and challenge for the division title,
something they haven't won in thirty years. Something I was
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thinking about kind of as you were laying out the
stats on the coaches and the g MS, Kenny, we
outside of Cleveland, like we have this perception of that
ownership group that it's complete chaos and all those things,
and it seems like a fair assessment. Um, are the
has Them's aware of how they're perceived? Do they care?
Because I would think after all this chaos of all
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these years, they might have pumped the brakes a little bit,
just just from a perception standpoint, But it seems like
they don't care. They don't. Jimmy has them. He's a
billionaire and he's gonna do just like Dan Snyder, just
like Jerry Jones. Right, these guys happy he goes and
they made their money doing it their way. They don't
give a damn what you me. The fans think's let's
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be honest, they don't care. It's their team. It's like
when we were growing up as kids, if the game
was being played in my backyard, it's my ball, it's
my bat, my rules. If you don't like it, well
you can go home and I'm gonna stay here and
play it my way. That's the way Jimmy has them
is doing this. And we've come to hear these press
conferences almost annually every year or every other year, that
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you know this is the right guys, a leader of men.
We we finally have it figured out and they're all
happy with everything, and then they go six and ten
or Hugh Jackson goes three thirty six and one, and
so they make these changes. I will give him. I'll
give him this credit. Freddie Kitchens was just a complete disaster,
a dumpster fire as a head coach. Great guy, great guy,
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but he was not prepared to be a head coach
and not just a head coach the first time ever
head coach at any level. Oh yeah, and he's calling
his plays for the first time for a full season
at the NFL level. So I give them credit for
looking at that and saying, there's too much talent on
this football team for us to go six and ten
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and uh, to you know, finish out of the playoffs.
We're not gonna stand for this. Screw continuity, screw stability.
We need to get this solved. And so I give
them credit for going out making the change there. And uh,
Supposedly they went to John Dorsey and said, look, we
want you to take a different role now in the
organization because we're thinking of doing this. And John said,
(38:54):
buddy boy, I'm not interested in that. Uh and uh
he said no, thank you, Kenny. You know the jersey,
the one I'm talking about with all the quarterback's names
on the back of it. Um, we're gonna add Baker
Mayfield to that jersey? Was that is the one that
we're gonna discarded? Is Baker Mayfield? The danger of being
on the on the back of that jersey? Is the
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next quarterback out his way out or what? I think?
He's number thirty on the back of that list of
quarterback since n so he's already on at The question is, yeah,
will somebody replace him? Um? I don't think so. They
drafted him number one overall. He had one good season,
one bad season. Intercept or twenty two touchdowns, twenty one
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interceptions this year, was not consistent, was inaccurate. His strength
was his accuracy at Texas Tech in Oklahoma and his
first year in the NFL. Now, some people might say, well,
Freddie Kitchens held him back or didn't bring him along,
along with a sophomore slump and maybe too many commercials
that Baker did in the offseason and not focusing enough
(39:55):
on football. So I think he's safe at least for
another season. But then again that depends on the GM
and the head coach. So whoever they bring in here,
Mike McCarthy, you know the guy that's gonna interview later today.
Obviously has worked with some good quarterbacks. So if there's
I guess anybody that could fix Baker Mayfield or make
him better, help him, it might be Mike McCarthy. Josh
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McDaniels has worked with Tom Brady. There are reports, and
depending on who you want to believe, with these reports
out there that McDaniels and the Patriots liked um Baker
Mayfield when he was coming out in the draft. So
if he gets the job, he'll he's gonna stay for
at least next year, I think, regardless of who the
head coaches, and then I think they'll re evaluate year
number three along with years one and two and determine
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where they go from there. He's Kenny Rhoda. You can
check about four eight w h BC if you're ever
out there in the Cleveland Cannon area, or just go
to w HBC dot com. Three to seven of the show, Kenny,
great insight, always a pleasure. Nobody knows Cleveland better than you.
Will catch up with you later on, Buddy, Yeah, I say,
will probably be talking somewhere in the not too distant future,
(41:03):
because this story is just beginning and there are plenty
chapters to go before we get it resolved. Guys, I
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