May 7, 2024 • 31 mins
Chris and Rob explain exactly why Anthony Edwards is a superstar and Jalen Brunson is not, tell us why Ant-Man should be applauded for saying he doesn’t want to be compared to Michael Jordan and discuss whether pushing all-in or a full teardown is the best option for the Phoenix Suns.
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Anthy Edwards is a bona fide superstar.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Jalen Brunson. Now there's all to talk? Is here a superstar?
Thirty five points a game in their six game series
victory over Philadelphia. I have been on television and radio
saying no, not yet. I'm not saying they'll definitely get there.
I'm not saying he won't. I'm saying not yet. And
(01:00):
I even said today Robbo first things first on FS
one that even if they have a huge if he
has a huge series, another thirty something points a game
and they beat Indiana, it's he's to me, he's still
not a superstar.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
And rob g.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Is wondering, what is the why is Edwards who hasn't
gone any further in the playoffs than Brunson. Why is
he a superstar and Brunson isn't.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Can we go to Rookie of the Year tallies? Uh?
I want your opinion?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, I just I'm asking Rob g for the Rookie
Brunching's Rookie Year.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Okay, we ain't no need to look it up.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Okay, I'm just trying to rub it in and just
say there is a reason, Chris, and we thought that
Anthony Edward got robbed not a second guest, right then
we think he got robbed of the Rookie of the
Year the year that they gave it to LaMelo. So
we saw something to think he was the best rookie
at that point. He didn't win, and so he was
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in that conversation. And I think that's a lot of it, Chris.
You talk about where you come from, your pedigree, where
those are the expectations when a guy not everybody wins
Rookie of the Year or has a chance to even
win it, right, And those are the people you look at.
And it's no disrespect to Brunson. He was not on
anybody's radar to be a Rookie of the Year. And
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still what he's doing is tremendous. We're not poo pulling him,
We're not saying he's not worthy of a conversation to
be about how great he's played this year. But there's
a big difference between being a star player and a
guy who's playing really well. Now because I guarantee you
if they lose to the Pacers, okay, and Anthony Edwards
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could lose to the Nuggets and nobody would take it away, Chris.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
That's the difference.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
If the Knicks lose, nobody is will will stand on
stand on their business, Chris and say, oh no, Brunton's
a superstar. Not one person will do that. If they
lose to the Pacers, and then then that's the difference.
That's what separates the two is one has a tag
(03:21):
that until further notice and the other one tag is like, uh, flimsy,
like it could fall off at any time, a bad
couple of games, a lost series. Come on, man, it's flimsy,
and Anthony Edwards is not flimsy, Chris.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Great, great way to put it.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Rob. I just kind of I agree with you completely obviously,
and I'll just add a little bit to it.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Jalen Brunson's first four years in the league.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
He was a role player.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
You can jump on Dallas if you want and say, well,
they didn't know what they had, but well, I mean,
if you're that good, you're gonna you know. And granted
he became that good, but initially he wasn't. And we
the burden of proof as far as becoming a superstar
is going to be higher for Jalen Brunson than it
(04:21):
is for Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards is supposed to be
a superstar. Let's just keep it real. Robbie was the.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
First pick of the draft. Keep going. When you're the
first pick of the draft, you're supposed to be a superstar.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So we will the day you step in the league,
we are looking, we are waiting, when's it gonna happen?
Is it gonna happen? And the dude averaged nineteen points
as a rookie rob and it's been over twenty points
since then, so he's got a pedigree. Jalen Brunson steps
in the league, you know what you're asking not is
(04:56):
he gonna be a superstar?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
When will he become a superstar?
Speaker 5 (05:00):
He says he gonna sticks.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
He even gonna stay in the league, So then you
see one very good year last year, one great year
this year. Now that's six seasons deep, and we're supposed
to already say, oh, he's a superstar.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Whoa then Trey Young? Why wasn't Trey Young a superstar?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Why was it little old Isaiah Thomas with the Boston Celtics. Rob,
Remember he had had some really nice years before going
to Boston.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
He had averaged twenty in Sacramento.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
He had averaged you know, nineteen in a couple another year,
and then he gets to the Celtics, twenty two points
a game, makes the All Star Team. Next year twenty
nine points a game, fifty plus, wins fifth in the
MVP voting.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Still, was anybody saying Rob he was a superstar? No,
not at all.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Can we stop it?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Now I'm not saying Jaylen can't get there, right.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
We're just saying he's going to have to really show
a lot more.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Call it unfair, whatever, that's the deal.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And let me let me say this to you. Say
I'm gonna say this, and I'm dead serious.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
If you're not here, not there already, the chances of
you getting there are slim to none. And that like
to be a superstar. Very few superstars emerge that late,
is what I'm saying, Like it's usually early. I'd have
to really think that a guy played as a role
player and worked his way all the way up to
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being a superstar.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Not a star in the league.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I'm talking about a superstar because there's so fear supertiful.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Now, Chauncey was a star, not a superstar, right, Jimmy Butler,
Rob star not a superstar. No, okay, some would say
is a superstar, but that he would be one arguable.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
The ones that come to mind besides those.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Because I don't have that many superstars. That's just me.
When I when I think of like serious.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
The ones that come to mind are international and the
rea Like Yannis didn't come into the league lightening it up,
Jokic didn't come into the league lightening it up. Yolks
was the second round pick, so it was my new Jenoba.
And the difference is this, though, Rob, we didn't watch
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Giannis and Jokic in college, right had We watched them
in college and they weren't very good, and then they
got into the NBA and they weren't very good initially,
or you know, they weren't stars. They even starters at times.
Then maybe we would have had a higher burden for them,
but we didn't know.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
We knew, you know what.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
A lot of teams draft international guy. Yeah, and they
just know they got potential. They don't have have to
pay him right away because they're gonna stay overseas. You aile, right,
and then they develop And now obviously those two are
BONA five superstars.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Scottie Pippen. Rob was another.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
He obviously became a superstar, but he didn't start off
like that.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
So it happens.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I'm not saying it's impossible for Brunson, but I'm just
saying right now he's not there.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Last thing quickly, Rob, before we go to callers.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
There also is an aesthetic factor, and Brunson's game is
fun to watch, but it's not like Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
The spectacular nature of his game.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It does help him in the chase to be a superstar, right,
it just does. I mean that's part of That's not
all superstars aren't like that, but guys that have that
element to that. Rob Dominique Wilkins, we said it never
got pasted the second round.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
It's a superstar.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
His game was just crazy with the dunks and the putbacks,
tip dunks, all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Vince Carter superstar in my book.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Highlight Real dunks and all that stuff.
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Speaker 1 (09:48):
We talked earlier to Melissa Rowland from Fox Sports Radio.
I'm sorry Fox Sports dot Com. She wrote a terrific
article about Anthony Edwards and the compare sends to Michael
Jordan and I want to ask you and I well,
you brought it up in a different context, but I'm
(10:12):
gonna be honest. I don't think now anything could happen.
I guess right, We'll have to wait and see play
it by ear. But I don't think Anthony Edwards could
become like I don't see him getting in the goat conversation.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, I was never talking about that. I was just
youybody else.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah, I would just I would just put But when
you when I brought him up, I think you thought
for a second that I was saying, and I was
talking just about that how he looks at Jordan as
a goat, as such a young guy, that that was
my point.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Right, But I'm saying a lot of people, I mean
you heard now, granted these were family members.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Melissa said that.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You know a lot of his family members say he
doesn't want to be the next Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
He wants to be you don't have to worry the
greatest player ever.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, I mean I don't as great as he is,
and you can be an all time great.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I don't see that. Again.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He wins six, seven championships, even five if you do
it in a certain way.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Maybe with people put him in that conversation, who knows, But.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
I don't see it's I don't see.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Him ever being like that type of player. Where are
you at on that?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah, I just there's no way I can look that
far in the future and really look at him in
that light. I mean, Chris, like the Western Conference, the
other players that are there, it's a it's a young
Western Conference with a lot of players. You know, they
could get knocked out by Denver like that. They won
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game one and I not win another game, you know what,
Like you know what I'm saying, Like, like, so, how
in the world could I really look at that and
be like, oh, yeah, he's going to win six championships
or he's going to do this, go to do that.
I can't look at that until you until you win
one first, I could take a look at it and
really start to see is there an opening? And how
dominant were you to win that? And did you have enough?
(12:22):
Do you know what I mean, like a lot of
different things before I could even assume you're gonna win
multiple I know how hard is to win one, let
loan multiple.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I just can't see that.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, And I'm not even just talking about winning, no, no, no,
I'm just saying I don't see like.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
But winning is a big part of that, you know
what I mean? But there's I mean, Kobe's got five.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I don't consider him better than Lebron, who's only got four,
you know.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
So it's to me, it's not just championships.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Of course, Jack's got four, Duncan's got five. He's not
in the goat conversation. So that's a part of it. Obviously,
you gotta win to some degree. But I just even
as a player, and again I could be proven wrong,
but I don't see him becoming like arguably.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
The greatest player ever.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Their guys rib that at some point in their careers,
even like before they start winning, that I think are
in you know, could one day, if they reach their potential,
could one day be in the goat conversation. Victor Winbinyama clearly,
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to me, is one of those guys I.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Thought at one point, not anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I thought at one point Rob Giannis could become one
of those guys. When he won his first ring, he
was incredibly dominant. He's, you know, a seven footer who
was bringing the ball up court, was you know, playing
a slasher type game, was phenomenal, defensively filled up the
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box score, even gave you five six assists a game.
I was like, we haven't really seen this, even though
he's not a great shooter, and I thought Yannis might
be eventually get himself in that conversation. But to your point, Rob,
he hasn't won like that, and he's not going to
be in that conversation.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
And look, look how quickly that turn.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
You know, he won a couple of MVPs, he stays
in Milwaukee, he wins. Oh my god, look at it.
And now look at the last few years. That's how
quickly things turned for players. It's just and that's why
when people win a lot, you know, over a long
it speaks volumes because it's hard.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's really hard. We all watched all these great players.
Charles Barkley, Dude was a great player. He didn't win.
He didn't win because it's it's tell me when.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Patth Ewan didn't put in all of his heart and
soul into everything, he didn't win.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
No, And I'm not comparing, by any stretch of the
imagination the experience the levels I played on in basketball
high school college Division III.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But I do know that.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
On both of those levels there were games I played
in that were so tight and close and intense, and
what was on the line, whether it was you know,
the district or different district playoffs or something, or even
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just regular conference games in college that they were so
draining because it was so hard fought and Rob to
play the same team and you know, I never did
this because you don't do it in high school and college.
But to play the same team Rob seven straight games,
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that has because if it's a seven game series, obviously
it is close. It is a mental struggle, It is
an emotional struggle, It is a struggle of wills, it
is a physical struggle.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
That is just I can't imagine how tough that is.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
And then to do.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
It Rob four times, right, you.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Know, when they know your plays, I mean, and to.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Do it year after year after year.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's incredible what what these guys do. And you're right,
that's why it's so hard to win, because you can
be a great player but not go you know, be
able to stay at that level during that type of challenge.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
It's incredible, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
So I was gonna say, Chris, and I just was
thinking about how incredible it is to be able to
to do something and keep having success with it. And
the one player I always think of and he didn't
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have I don't know if you could have had a
more perfect career. It's probably why he got into the
Baseball Hall of Fame unanimously. And that's Mariano Rivera, Chris.
He threw the same pitch, that same cutter. Nobody, you
know what I mean, like like to have success for
that long where everybody knows what's coming, and still be
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able to be that great. And I just think there's
only a handful of players who can really do that.
Not everybody can do that.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Rob When we think of.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Anthony Edwards, and I get some of the Jordan comparisons,
the fade away, you know, the spectacular nature of his game,
the athleticism. But Jordan was longer, leaner, a little more little.
I mean, Anthony Edwards very graceful, but a little more graceful.
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Edwards is more powerful, you know, and even his bill
is a little more you know, he's built a little
you know.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Just a stockier.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
He's not stocky, but you know, he's got almost a
little more like a little more like a football player
than Jordan was. I think there are great comparisons and
not it's not perfect, but I think when you look
at Anthony Edwards I see a lot of similarities to
Dwayne Wade, and now Edwards is a better shooter. Wade
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was not a great shooter, and that you know, when
he played in his era, three point shots certainly weren't
as big of a deal. And so you know, he
he was able to get away with not being a
great shooter for the most part. And you know, just
getting to the whole time after time after time, I
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think there are a lot of similarities between those two.
I think Kobe are as far as aesthetically, I think
Kobe was closer to Jordan than anybody.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I mean, he also dark like it was. And here's
the other part, because we talked about before. If you
if you turn off the picture and just listen to Kobe,
he sounded like Jordan like it was. It was eerie
like how much he sounded like him, how he walked
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like him.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I mean, you're right, he was. He was a fact
sim similar. Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I mean, Edwards, look if they and they can rob
I mean, if you beat the defending champion Nuggets, Uh,
you can win the CHAMPI ship you know, oh absolutely,
And you look at the teams out west outside of Denver,
I mean, OKC obviously incredibly young. Dallas. I mean, Lucas
still young. Lucas is like twenty four, so they're young.
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The West is young, and whoever comes out of there,
if it's not Denver, is going to be fairly young.
A Kawhi is thirty two. He's a veteran. But Minnesota
has veterans with Mike Conley, with Rudy Gobert, even Carl
Anthony Towns to some degree. So they've got enough experience.
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It's just that their best player is young. But Rob
also and I you know, first things first, Nick Wright
was trying to slide this in as almost a knock
against Jordan.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
We weren't having a Jordan Lebron debate or.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Anything, but he was saying the comparisons, you know, based
off Anthony Edward saying he doesn't want the comparisons to continue.
He was saying, well, it's not fair to Jordan, because
you know, Jordan is the greatest or you know, one
of the greats, and he's retired, in Knick's view, one
of the greats. And he was saying, even it's not
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fair to Anthony Edwards. He said to Anthony Edwards, Jordan
was never in in this position at this stage of
his career, you know, and he never got.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
To this second round, this young and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And I said, the thing, and that's one of the
differences Rob is the thing is.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Rob has joined a team like Carl Anthony Towns is
a legitimate multi time All.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Star, you know, a team like that, right right right?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
That's the thing, people, people, people are being as talented
as he is, Chris. That team was put together, like yes,
with thoughts before they realized that where he was going
to be and all that. So I mean, and that's
not to take anything away from him, but if you
look at that team that that ain't the That ain't
the that ain't that ain't the Bulls that Michael Jordan joins.
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Jordans Absolutely, it just isn't. You could kids yourself all
you want.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Right, It was a one man show. Uh. And there
was a reason he wasn't passing that much to him exactly.
It was nobody to pass to, right.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
But but you know, Gobert will likely Rob be the
four time defensive Player of the Year uh this season.
And like I said, Karl Anthony Towns is a legit
you know, Carl Anthony Towns, Rob, he is that number
he's a he's somewhat he's not quite as good, but
somewhat like Anthony Davis is that he is a number
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one talent. Like I think his talent and game is
that of a number one option, But I don't think
he has the number one mentality or just the dog
or you know, those intangibles you need to be that
number one guy. And so Edwards has become that number
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one guy, but he still got that great teammate in Edwards,
and and even Gobert and Mike Conley's had a very
strong career.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Player in the league at one point.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Remember that, Yeah, it happens is based on timing Jaylen Brown,
you know. So, Yeah, those are my thoughts on the comparisons.
We want to get the listeners thoughts on these comparisons.
Rob eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven
seven nine that he doesn't want to now it's respectful
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for him to say it's respectful.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I think I think he means it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Obviously, you'd love to be thrown in that, you know, uh,
conversation like wow, they compared me the best. But I
think it's out of respect and he knows he's got
a long way to go, and that's that's a great
mentality to have at this stage of his career.
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Speaker 1 (24:14):
And we talked about the Clippers earlier with Mark Medina,
and we will get into them a little bit later.
But there's another team that I think is in just
where do you Go? They got Kevin Durant two more
years that max money left on his deal, Devin Booker,
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who's their young stars twenty seven, so you know, I
wouldn't think you'd want to get rid of him. And
Bradley Beal, who's got probably I would say, the most
untradeable contract in all of basketball Rod because he's got
three years, one hundred and sixty two million left on it.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Roughly No, right, right.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
All you can say when you hear that contract is oive,
because that's just are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Like you're kidding somebody actually part in.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Somebody actually sat down and thought that was a good deal,
you know what I mean? Like, like, how how did
you how did you sit there? Chris and decide like, yeah, let's.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Do this, especially with his injury issue. I don't get
it with some of these and that's the thing with Kawhi,
but we'll get into that. But Rob the son, so uh,
we were talking like there's some scouts and they told
Rick Buker, fellow Fox Sports colleague, some of the scouts
were saying they could either tear it down or they
(25:42):
could go all in, you know, run it back. I Rob,
I would be open if I'm them to trading Kevin
Durant open.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
That means I'm not shopping him.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
We gotta get rid of him at all costs. But
I am listening. If teams want to come out and
if they want to, you know, make.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
A move, we can always listen.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And if I could get a great deal, maybe a
young star some draft and there nobody in durance class,
but just a really good young player, maybe a Pascal
Siakam type like as far as that level of player,
Maybe another young player or two who's good, and some
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draft picks that might rock. Because they're not winning. I
don't see them winning it with this trio. And so
Devin Booker at twenty seven is still young enough where
he can have a second act. You can like rebuild
around Booker and maybe put yourself in the future in
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a better position to compete for a.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Championship than you are now. And so I would look
at that.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I would not tear it all down and trade Booker
Durant Booker.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
You can't. I don't think you can trade bill but
Durant Booker because Booker is my guy.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
If I trade Booker, guess who I'm looking to draft
get with one of these draft picks, a deafen Booker R.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
So I got him and he's just hitting his prime,
at least what we typically thought of as a player's prime.
And so that's kind of I get the run it
back sentiment. I wouldn't definitely trade Durant, but I would
be open to listening. But if I have to run
it back, I'm trying to get a young point guard,
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maybe some three and d athletic guys that are cheap,
but they can shoot and they can d they're athletic.
That's that's kind of what I see for them.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
But I don't want to break it off.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I don't want to trade Devin Booker if I unless
I'm doing it for like another young star.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I don't disagree. I it would for me.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
I don't know how you get rid of Belle, so
you kind of stuck with him. Durant is the only
one you don't trade a young Devin Booker and I
agree that there is enough time for act number two
and and you just put some different people around and
this will be his third act, right because they went
to the championship with uh, Chris paul and that team
(28:23):
and what Ayton and you know who else?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Am I missing? Uh? With that squad? Right?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, well Chris paul Ate and him were kind of
the right that those guys.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
So so you can do it. He's not only not washed,
that'll be not done. Uh, But but Kevin Durant is
something that could probably get you something. And and a
team Chris in the hunt with the idea that they
have a shot, could say we just he can get
us over the top. The guy is a score, right,
I mean like he has he's gonna fit in, right,
(28:56):
He's he could fit in with anybody. And we saw
him early this year when he's averaging thirty and balling
out right.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yep, he robbed two teams.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
If I'm the Knicks in Philadelphia, I'm looking at Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Now, you may not be able to get him.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I mean, the Sons just made, you know, say, look,
we're not moving him, We're running it back.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
And that's fine. I'm inquiry.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
The Knicks got a lot of nice kind of role
type players and draft picks that could help the Sons.
Philadelphia has the cap space to absorb Durant and.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
They got a bunch of draft picks.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
If I'm those teams before I go after Paul George
or even Donovan Mitchell Rob if I'm the Knicks, I'm
going after Kevin Durant. I'm saying, can we get him?
So I'm with you on that. And if I'm the Sons,
I listen gonna say, do you think Durant? And you
(30:03):
know they lose a lot of some of these guys,
of course, but you'd have Brunson, you'd have Durant. You
think that Durant could win a championship there in New York.
I gotta be honest, I'm not sure. I kind of
would say no. But if I'm the Knicks, I'm still.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Going for it.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, if you can, Chris, I mean, you're a franchise
that's trying to make something happen. He would definitely you
would feel like a be a missing piece and a
guy who's been there, done that, even at their older age,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
So if you're the Knicks as absolutely and as.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
The Knicks look, they haven't won in so long, they
haven't even been anywhere near a championship and so long
that I think, Rob, I think they need to be thinking.
I'm not saying you throw away your future, but they
need to be thinking, let's seize the day, Let's go
for it, you know what I mean. Like I mean,
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so many years they've tried to build right and Rob,
it's just been decades since they were any good for
the most, you know, consistently good.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
And so I would go for it now if I could,
I would go for it
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Anthy Edwards is a bona fide superstar.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Jalen Brunson. Now there's all to talk? Is here a superstar?
Thirty five points a game in their six game series
victory over Philadelphia. I have been on television and radio
saying no, not yet. I'm not saying they'll definitely get there.
I'm not saying he won't. I'm saying not yet. And
(01:00):
I even said today Robbo first things first on FS
one that even if they have a huge if he
has a huge series, another thirty something points a game
and they beat Indiana, it's he's to me, he's still
not a superstar.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
And rob g.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Is wondering, what is the why is Edwards who hasn't
gone any further in the playoffs than Brunson. Why is
he a superstar and Brunson isn't.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Can we go to Rookie of the Year tallies? Uh?
I want your opinion?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, I just I'm asking Rob g for the Rookie
Brunching's Rookie Year.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Okay, we ain't no need to look it up.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Okay, I'm just trying to rub it in and just
say there is a reason, Chris, and we thought that
Anthony Edward got robbed not a second guest, right then
we think he got robbed of the Rookie of the
Year the year that they gave it to LaMelo. So
we saw something to think he was the best rookie
at that point. He didn't win, and so he was
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in that conversation. And I think that's a lot of it, Chris.
You talk about where you come from, your pedigree, where
those are the expectations when a guy not everybody wins
Rookie of the Year or has a chance to even
win it, right, And those are the people you look at.
And it's no disrespect to Brunson. He was not on
anybody's radar to be a Rookie of the Year. And
(02:31):
still what he's doing is tremendous. We're not poo pulling him,
We're not saying he's not worthy of a conversation to
be about how great he's played this year. But there's
a big difference between being a star player and a
guy who's playing really well. Now because I guarantee you
if they lose to the Pacers, okay, and Anthony Edwards
(02:54):
could lose to the Nuggets and nobody would take it away, Chris.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
That's the difference.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
If the Knicks lose, nobody is will will stand on
stand on their business, Chris and say, oh no, Brunton's
a superstar. Not one person will do that. If they
lose to the Pacers, and then then that's the difference.
That's what separates the two is one has a tag
(03:21):
that until further notice and the other one tag is like, uh, flimsy,
like it could fall off at any time, a bad
couple of games, a lost series. Come on, man, it's flimsy,
and Anthony Edwards is not flimsy, Chris.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Great, great way to put it.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Rob. I just kind of I agree with you completely obviously,
and I'll just add a little bit to it.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Jalen Brunson's first four years in the league.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
He was a role player.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
You can jump on Dallas if you want and say, well,
they didn't know what they had, but well, I mean,
if you're that good, you're gonna you know. And granted
he became that good, but initially he wasn't. And we
the burden of proof as far as becoming a superstar
is going to be higher for Jalen Brunson than it
(04:21):
is for Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards is supposed to be
a superstar. Let's just keep it real. Robbie was the.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
First pick of the draft. Keep going. When you're the
first pick of the draft, you're supposed to be a superstar.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So we will the day you step in the league,
we are looking, we are waiting, when's it gonna happen?
Is it gonna happen? And the dude averaged nineteen points
as a rookie rob and it's been over twenty points
since then, so he's got a pedigree. Jalen Brunson steps
in the league, you know what you're asking not is
(04:56):
he gonna be a superstar?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
When will he become a superstar?
Speaker 5 (05:00):
He says he gonna sticks.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
He even gonna stay in the league, So then you
see one very good year last year, one great year
this year. Now that's six seasons deep, and we're supposed
to already say, oh, he's a superstar.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Whoa then Trey Young? Why wasn't Trey Young a superstar?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Why was it little old Isaiah Thomas with the Boston Celtics. Rob,
Remember he had had some really nice years before going
to Boston.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
He had averaged twenty in Sacramento.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
He had averaged you know, nineteen in a couple another year,
and then he gets to the Celtics, twenty two points
a game, makes the All Star Team. Next year twenty
nine points a game, fifty plus, wins fifth in the
MVP voting.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Still, was anybody saying Rob he was a superstar? No,
not at all.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Can we stop it?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Now I'm not saying Jaylen can't get there, right.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
We're just saying he's going to have to really show
a lot more.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Call it unfair, whatever, that's the deal.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And let me let me say this to you. Say
I'm gonna say this, and I'm dead serious.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
If you're not here, not there already, the chances of
you getting there are slim to none. And that like
to be a superstar. Very few superstars emerge that late,
is what I'm saying, Like it's usually early. I'd have
to really think that a guy played as a role
player and worked his way all the way up to
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being a superstar.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Not a star in the league.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I'm talking about a superstar because there's so fear supertiful.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Now, Chauncey was a star, not a superstar, right, Jimmy Butler,
Rob star not a superstar. No, okay, some would say
is a superstar, but that he would be one arguable.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
The ones that come to mind besides those.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Because I don't have that many superstars. That's just me.
When I when I think of like serious.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
The ones that come to mind are international and the
rea Like Yannis didn't come into the league lightening it up,
Jokic didn't come into the league lightening it up. Yolks
was the second round pick, so it was my new Jenoba.
And the difference is this, though, Rob, we didn't watch
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Giannis and Jokic in college, right had We watched them
in college and they weren't very good, and then they
got into the NBA and they weren't very good initially,
or you know, they weren't stars. They even starters at times.
Then maybe we would have had a higher burden for them,
but we didn't know.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
We knew, you know what.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
A lot of teams draft international guy. Yeah, and they
just know they got potential. They don't have have to
pay him right away because they're gonna stay overseas. You aile, right,
and then they develop And now obviously those two are
BONA five superstars.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Scottie Pippen. Rob was another.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
He obviously became a superstar, but he didn't start off
like that.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
So it happens.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I'm not saying it's impossible for Brunson, but I'm just
saying right now he's not there.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Last thing quickly, Rob, before we go to callers.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
There also is an aesthetic factor, and Brunson's game is
fun to watch, but it's not like Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
The spectacular nature of his game.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It does help him in the chase to be a superstar, right,
it just does. I mean that's part of That's not
all superstars aren't like that, but guys that have that
element to that. Rob Dominique Wilkins, we said it never
got pasted the second round.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
It's a superstar.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
His game was just crazy with the dunks and the putbacks,
tip dunks, all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Vince Carter superstar in my book.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Highlight Real dunks and all that stuff.
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Speaker 1 (09:48):
We talked earlier to Melissa Rowland from Fox Sports Radio.
I'm sorry Fox Sports dot Com. She wrote a terrific
article about Anthony Edwards and the compare sends to Michael
Jordan and I want to ask you and I well,
you brought it up in a different context, but I'm
(10:12):
gonna be honest. I don't think now anything could happen.
I guess right, We'll have to wait and see play
it by ear. But I don't think Anthony Edwards could
become like I don't see him getting in the goat conversation.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, I was never talking about that. I was just
youybody else.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah, I would just I would just put But when
you when I brought him up, I think you thought
for a second that I was saying, and I was
talking just about that how he looks at Jordan as
a goat, as such a young guy, that that was
my point.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Right, But I'm saying a lot of people, I mean
you heard now, granted these were family members.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Melissa said that.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You know a lot of his family members say he
doesn't want to be the next Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
He wants to be you don't have to worry the
greatest player ever.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, I mean I don't as great as he is,
and you can be an all time great.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I don't see that. Again.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He wins six, seven championships, even five if you do
it in a certain way.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Maybe with people put him in that conversation, who knows, But.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
I don't see it's I don't see.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Him ever being like that type of player. Where are
you at on that?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah, I just there's no way I can look that
far in the future and really look at him in
that light. I mean, Chris, like the Western Conference, the
other players that are there, it's a it's a young
Western Conference with a lot of players. You know, they
could get knocked out by Denver like that. They won
(11:59):
game one and I not win another game, you know what,
Like you know what I'm saying, Like, like, so, how
in the world could I really look at that and
be like, oh, yeah, he's going to win six championships
or he's going to do this, go to do that.
I can't look at that until you until you win
one first, I could take a look at it and
really start to see is there an opening? And how
dominant were you to win that? And did you have enough?
(12:22):
Do you know what I mean, like a lot of
different things before I could even assume you're gonna win
multiple I know how hard is to win one, let
loan multiple.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I just can't see that.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, And I'm not even just talking about winning, no, no, no,
I'm just saying I don't see like.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
But winning is a big part of that, you know
what I mean? But there's I mean, Kobe's got five.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I don't consider him better than Lebron, who's only got four,
you know.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
So it's to me, it's not just championships.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Of course, Jack's got four, Duncan's got five. He's not
in the goat conversation. So that's a part of it. Obviously,
you gotta win to some degree. But I just even
as a player, and again I could be proven wrong,
but I don't see him becoming like arguably.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
The greatest player ever.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Their guys rib that at some point in their careers,
even like before they start winning, that I think are
in you know, could one day, if they reach their potential,
could one day be in the goat conversation. Victor Winbinyama clearly,
(13:38):
to me, is one of those guys I.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Thought at one point, not anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I thought at one point Rob Giannis could become one
of those guys. When he won his first ring, he
was incredibly dominant. He's, you know, a seven footer who
was bringing the ball up court, was you know, playing
a slasher type game, was phenomenal, defensively filled up the
(14:06):
box score, even gave you five six assists a game.
I was like, we haven't really seen this, even though
he's not a great shooter, and I thought Yannis might
be eventually get himself in that conversation. But to your point, Rob,
he hasn't won like that, and he's not going to
be in that conversation.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
And look, look how quickly that turn.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
You know, he won a couple of MVPs, he stays
in Milwaukee, he wins. Oh my god, look at it.
And now look at the last few years. That's how
quickly things turned for players. It's just and that's why
when people win a lot, you know, over a long
it speaks volumes because it's hard.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's really hard. We all watched all these great players.
Charles Barkley, Dude was a great player. He didn't win.
He didn't win because it's it's tell me when.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Patth Ewan didn't put in all of his heart and
soul into everything, he didn't win.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
No, And I'm not comparing, by any stretch of the
imagination the experience the levels I played on in basketball
high school college Division III.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But I do know that.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
On both of those levels there were games I played
in that were so tight and close and intense, and
what was on the line, whether it was you know,
the district or different district playoffs or something, or even
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just regular conference games in college that they were so
draining because it was so hard fought and Rob to
play the same team and you know, I never did
this because you don't do it in high school and college.
But to play the same team Rob seven straight games,
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that has because if it's a seven game series, obviously
it is close. It is a mental struggle, It is
an emotional struggle, It is a struggle of wills, it
is a physical struggle.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
That is just I can't imagine how tough that is.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
And then to do.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
It Rob four times, right, you.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Know, when they know your plays, I mean, and to.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Do it year after year after year.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's incredible what what these guys do. And you're right,
that's why it's so hard to win, because you can
be a great player but not go you know, be
able to stay at that level during that type of challenge.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
It's incredible, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
So I was gonna say, Chris, and I just was
thinking about how incredible it is to be able to
to do something and keep having success with it. And
the one player I always think of and he didn't
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have I don't know if you could have had a
more perfect career. It's probably why he got into the
Baseball Hall of Fame unanimously. And that's Mariano Rivera, Chris.
He threw the same pitch, that same cutter. Nobody, you
know what I mean, like like to have success for
that long where everybody knows what's coming, and still be
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able to be that great. And I just think there's
only a handful of players who can really do that.
Not everybody can do that.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Rob When we think of.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Anthony Edwards, and I get some of the Jordan comparisons,
the fade away, you know, the spectacular nature of his game,
the athleticism. But Jordan was longer, leaner, a little more little.
I mean, Anthony Edwards very graceful, but a little more graceful.
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Edwards is more powerful, you know, and even his bill
is a little more you know, he's built a little
you know.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Just a stockier.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
He's not stocky, but you know, he's got almost a
little more like a little more like a football player
than Jordan was. I think there are great comparisons and
not it's not perfect, but I think when you look
at Anthony Edwards I see a lot of similarities to
Dwayne Wade, and now Edwards is a better shooter. Wade
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was not a great shooter, and that you know, when
he played in his era, three point shots certainly weren't
as big of a deal. And so you know, he
he was able to get away with not being a
great shooter for the most part. And you know, just
getting to the whole time after time after time, I
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think there are a lot of similarities between those two.
I think Kobe are as far as aesthetically, I think
Kobe was closer to Jordan than anybody.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I mean, he also dark like it was. And here's
the other part, because we talked about before. If you
if you turn off the picture and just listen to Kobe,
he sounded like Jordan like it was. It was eerie
like how much he sounded like him, how he walked
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like him.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I mean, you're right, he was. He was a fact
sim similar. Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I mean, Edwards, look if they and they can rob
I mean, if you beat the defending champion Nuggets, Uh,
you can win the CHAMPI ship you know, oh absolutely,
And you look at the teams out west outside of Denver,
I mean, OKC obviously incredibly young. Dallas. I mean, Lucas
still young. Lucas is like twenty four, so they're young.
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The West is young, and whoever comes out of there,
if it's not Denver, is going to be fairly young.
A Kawhi is thirty two. He's a veteran. But Minnesota
has veterans with Mike Conley, with Rudy Gobert, even Carl
Anthony Towns to some degree. So they've got enough experience.
(20:36):
It's just that their best player is young. But Rob
also and I you know, first things first, Nick Wright
was trying to slide this in as almost a knock
against Jordan.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
We weren't having a Jordan Lebron debate or.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Anything, but he was saying the comparisons, you know, based
off Anthony Edward saying he doesn't want the comparisons to continue.
He was saying, well, it's not fair to Jordan, because
you know, Jordan is the greatest or you know, one
of the greats, and he's retired, in Knick's view, one
of the greats. And he was saying, even it's not
(21:11):
fair to Anthony Edwards. He said to Anthony Edwards, Jordan
was never in in this position at this stage of
his career, you know, and he never got.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
To this second round, this young and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And I said, the thing, and that's one of the
differences Rob is the thing is.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Rob has joined a team like Carl Anthony Towns is
a legitimate multi time All.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Star, you know, a team like that, right right right?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
That's the thing, people, people, people are being as talented
as he is, Chris. That team was put together, like yes,
with thoughts before they realized that where he was going
to be and all that. So I mean, and that's
not to take anything away from him, but if you
look at that team that that ain't the That ain't
the that ain't that ain't the Bulls that Michael Jordan joins.
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Jordans Absolutely, it just isn't. You could kids yourself all
you want.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Right, It was a one man show. Uh. And there
was a reason he wasn't passing that much to him exactly.
It was nobody to pass to, right.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
But but you know, Gobert will likely Rob be the
four time defensive Player of the Year uh this season.
And like I said, Karl Anthony Towns is a legit
you know, Carl Anthony Towns, Rob, he is that number
he's a he's somewhat he's not quite as good, but
somewhat like Anthony Davis is that he is a number
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one talent. Like I think his talent and game is
that of a number one option, But I don't think
he has the number one mentality or just the dog
or you know, those intangibles you need to be that
number one guy. And so Edwards has become that number
(23:08):
one guy, but he still got that great teammate in Edwards,
and and even Gobert and Mike Conley's had a very
strong career.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Player in the league at one point.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Remember that, Yeah, it happens is based on timing Jaylen Brown,
you know. So, Yeah, those are my thoughts on the comparisons.
We want to get the listeners thoughts on these comparisons.
Rob eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven
seven nine that he doesn't want to now it's respectful
(23:42):
for him to say it's respectful.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I think I think he means it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Obviously, you'd love to be thrown in that, you know, uh,
conversation like wow, they compared me the best. But I
think it's out of respect and he knows he's got
a long way to go, and that's that's a great
mentality to have at this stage of his career.
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Speaker 1 (24:14):
And we talked about the Clippers earlier with Mark Medina,
and we will get into them a little bit later.
But there's another team that I think is in just
where do you Go? They got Kevin Durant two more
years that max money left on his deal, Devin Booker,
(24:36):
who's their young stars twenty seven, so you know, I
wouldn't think you'd want to get rid of him. And
Bradley Beal, who's got probably I would say, the most
untradeable contract in all of basketball Rod because he's got
three years, one hundred and sixty two million left on it.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Roughly No, right, right.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
All you can say when you hear that contract is oive,
because that's just are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Like you're kidding somebody actually part in.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Somebody actually sat down and thought that was a good deal,
you know what I mean? Like, like, how how did
you how did you sit there? Chris and decide like, yeah, let's.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Do this, especially with his injury issue. I don't get
it with some of these and that's the thing with Kawhi,
but we'll get into that. But Rob the son, so uh,
we were talking like there's some scouts and they told
Rick Buker, fellow Fox Sports colleague, some of the scouts
were saying they could either tear it down or they
(25:42):
could go all in, you know, run it back. I Rob,
I would be open if I'm them to trading Kevin
Durant open.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
That means I'm not shopping him.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
We gotta get rid of him at all costs. But
I am listening. If teams want to come out and
if they want to, you know, make.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
A move, we can always listen.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And if I could get a great deal, maybe a
young star some draft and there nobody in durance class,
but just a really good young player, maybe a Pascal
Siakam type like as far as that level of player,
Maybe another young player or two who's good, and some
(26:32):
draft picks that might rock. Because they're not winning. I
don't see them winning it with this trio. And so
Devin Booker at twenty seven is still young enough where
he can have a second act. You can like rebuild
around Booker and maybe put yourself in the future in
(26:53):
a better position to compete for a.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Championship than you are now. And so I would look
at that.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I would not tear it all down and trade Booker
Durant Booker.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
You can't. I don't think you can trade bill but
Durant Booker because Booker is my guy.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
If I trade Booker, guess who I'm looking to draft
get with one of these draft picks, a deafen Booker R.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
So I got him and he's just hitting his prime,
at least what we typically thought of as a player's prime.
And so that's kind of I get the run it
back sentiment. I wouldn't definitely trade Durant, but I would
be open to listening. But if I have to run
it back, I'm trying to get a young point guard,
(27:39):
maybe some three and d athletic guys that are cheap,
but they can shoot and they can d they're athletic.
That's that's kind of what I see for them.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
But I don't want to break it off.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I don't want to trade Devin Booker if I unless
I'm doing it for like another young star.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I don't disagree. I it would for me.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
I don't know how you get rid of Belle, so
you kind of stuck with him. Durant is the only
one you don't trade a young Devin Booker and I
agree that there is enough time for act number two
and and you just put some different people around and
this will be his third act, right because they went
to the championship with uh, Chris paul and that team
(28:23):
and what Ayton and you know who else?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Am I missing? Uh? With that squad? Right?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, well Chris paul Ate and him were kind of
the right that those guys.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
So so you can do it. He's not only not washed,
that'll be not done. Uh, But but Kevin Durant is
something that could probably get you something. And and a
team Chris in the hunt with the idea that they
have a shot, could say we just he can get
us over the top. The guy is a score, right,
I mean like he has he's gonna fit in, right,
(28:56):
He's he could fit in with anybody. And we saw
him early this year when he's averaging thirty and balling
out right.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yep, he robbed two teams.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
If I'm the Knicks in Philadelphia, I'm looking at Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Now, you may not be able to get him.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I mean, the Sons just made, you know, say, look,
we're not moving him, We're running it back.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
And that's fine. I'm inquiry.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
The Knicks got a lot of nice kind of role
type players and draft picks that could help the Sons.
Philadelphia has the cap space to absorb Durant and.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
They got a bunch of draft picks.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
If I'm those teams before I go after Paul George
or even Donovan Mitchell Rob if I'm the Knicks, I'm
going after Kevin Durant. I'm saying, can we get him?
So I'm with you on that. And if I'm the Sons,
I listen gonna say, do you think Durant? And you
(30:03):
know they lose a lot of some of these guys,
of course, but you'd have Brunson, you'd have Durant. You
think that Durant could win a championship there in New York.
I gotta be honest, I'm not sure. I kind of
would say no. But if I'm the Knicks, I'm still.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Going for it.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, if you can, Chris, I mean, you're a franchise
that's trying to make something happen. He would definitely you
would feel like a be a missing piece and a
guy who's been there, done that, even at their older age,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
So if you're the Knicks as absolutely and as.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
The Knicks look, they haven't won in so long, they
haven't even been anywhere near a championship and so long
that I think, Rob, I think they need to be thinking.
I'm not saying you throw away your future, but they
need to be thinking, let's seize the day, Let's go
for it, you know what I mean. Like I mean,
(31:00):
so many years they've tried to build right and Rob,
it's just been decades since they were any good for
the most, you know, consistently good.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
And so I would go for it now if I could,
I would go for it
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