July 22, 2024 • 34 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Chris, and he and Rob tell us if it’s a bad sign that LeBron James is still the best player for Team USA Basketball, explain why Jordan Love is wise to holdout of training camp until he gets a new contract extension from the Green Bay Packers and take Gilbert Arenas for his xenophobic comments about the South Sudan basketball team.
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
The USA Olympic team was down by two. We heard
it on Steve de Seger's update. Lebron scored with the
last eleven points for Team USA when they almost lost
to South Sudan the other day. Lebron had a wide
open layup in order to win the game by one
point for the Team USA.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And now there's another game that was close.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Lebron turns what was a two point deficit into what
a four point win rob g against Germany. And you know,
you could celebrate Lebron and go, oh, my god, Lebron,
here's the best player. My god, thank you, thank Lebron.
At almost aged forty years old, he's the best player.
(01:12):
But this is shameful to me, Martin, Really, is it
a good sign even forget about this Olympics going forward?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Where are the other guys? Where's Tatum? Where's Edwards?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I thought those were the young Bucks, those are the
new stars of the NBA. Where are they? Mia? Are
they missing in action? I don't know why Lebron has
to do this at the end for the United States
to beat these teams that South Sudan, they were favored
by forty three points forty three, right, forty three and
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a half. If you took South Sudan plus forty three
and a half right, you were cruising. Most people probably
stayed away from that right forty three and a half
thinking that no way, and that won't beat the United States?
Are you cool Lebron being the guy Lebron is the
star of this team?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Crazy for me that you asked where Jason Tatum? Where's
Anthony Edwards?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
To me?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Staple to the bench in the second unit for reasons
I can't tell. Like the way that this road Deroit,
these rotations are set up, Lebron has been the only
one in the starting lineup to me that shows he
still deserves to be in it. Like I think if
you surrounded Lebron with Anthony Edwards and Jason Tatum, Anthony Davis,
and bam Adebayo. Maybe we'd have a little bit more
(02:34):
optionality on the roster. But the way that Steve curR
is running these guys out there doing these hockey line
changes five in five out out of very nice hockey.
You know, yeah, watched the sport Okay on occasion. Well,
I mean, you grew up to in hockey town, so
that's good. You watched some Wings games. They did a
few remote broadcasts out there out of there by the
(02:55):
middle of the second period.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
But really, you know, date hockey's good.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I went to the Joe Minitime Frost year in Detroit,
went to thirty eight of the forty one home games.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I live right next door to the Joe Louis Arenas
thirty eight of the forty one home game and now
Joe Louis Arena doesn't even exist. Crazy, but anyway, jeez,
Louise old.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Anyway, Now, the way that Steve curR is running out
these hockey line changes. First of all, I don't know
how we're supposed to figure out any level of a
rotation right when you're not playing all, you know, everybody
on a damn roster. I don't know how we's supposed
to do that, but when with this starting lineup as
it is, Lebron James is to me the only guy
on the roster that's really taken guys off the dribble.
And if you can't take guys off the dribble in
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Olympic basketball, you're gonna be in trouble. We've seen the
United States go off the slow starts. Why because they
come out shoot a three miss, shoot a three miss,
shoot a three miss, shoot a three miss.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And then that's the NBA they that we played we
were in now, right and it all about threes.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Look, sure the game boint is incentivized, but right now,
this roster, currently constructive, doesn't have anybody in the starting
lineup besides Lebron who could consistently take people off the dribble.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And to me, that's part of the problem, and it's
been part of the problem.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
What not a problem the problem of than not making
shots like they're supposed to make shots too, right.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, I understand that, but when you miss your four
to three out of five shots, maybe it's time to
go to the rim. That's what I'm saying. And would
you see every time this first unit comes out. What
happened just in the Germany game, twenty four to four
or twenty one to four run at the end of
the first quarter. You know what happened with four minutes
left in the first quarter, he subbed into everybody that's
on the bench. If he optimized Steve Kerrf, he optimized.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The stein Kerr.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
As a bad coach, I don't know what he's doing, Okay,
I don't know what he's doing. I'm watching games at
the house thinking, I don't know why he's running out
the same starting lineup. But I think if he did
optimize the starting lineups.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
We would see more action and less Lebron.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, it's puzzling because even throughout the coaching and I
hear your points, all your points are all fair. Still,
the talent and the people that they have should be
able to.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Beat these others countries. Would you agree with that.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I think that's why they're winning is because of the
tarentand that's that's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
That's the only reason.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I'm saying if those guys played up to their ability,
and I get it. I'm just saying, uh, Jason Tatum, uh,
Anthony Edwards like those are the guys I thought we
would be seeing more of.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I know they're gonna play the other guys, and they're
the veteran guys and it's their last hurrah. So I
get all that, right, I do. I understand that, and
they're gonna start them in that unit that's been getting
off the slow starts and all whatnot. But I still thought,
are they gonna be sweating out games? I'm surprised that
they're sweating out games.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I full, I fully, wholeheartedly believe that if they weren't
coming off the bench, those two in particular, if they
weren't coming off the bench and instead it was Devin
Booker and and uh it was Devin Booker and and
Drew Holliday coming off the bench, they wouldn't be sweating
out games. They wouldn't be because they would get out
to a ten point lead in the beginning and everybody
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else would lay down because they know they're not supposed
to win these games, right, you know, South Studan, you
give them hope throughout this entire throughout the first.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Quarter, you give them hope through the second hard.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
They figured like they figured out, these guys are human,
we can beat them right, Germany, the same thing. If
they come out and do a twenty one to four run,
that's a fifteen point march at the end of the game.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, you always want to snap, especially a team that
you're better than. You stab their hopes right away and
let them know you're not winning today. Okay, let's just
we're going to let you know right away you're not winning.
So let us make this clear to you. You could
go ahead and play. We know you're gonna have a
run at some point, right, you'll make a run at
(06:49):
some point, but you're not winning, and you're right. The
longer you let somebody hang around, We've talked about it before,
the better shot that somebody has of upsetting you because
they build confidence as time goes on.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
All of a sudden, three start bouncing off the rim,
hitting the backboard, falling in the ref makes a bad call.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Now it's an and one found.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Somebody drips the ball off their leg right, all of
a sudden, you know, one thing after another after another
after another, and then it just snowballs into Wow, this
forty three point underdog might win.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
This damn thing. Crazy.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I know it's crazy, but it's really, I really do
all an apology to Warriors Fanca all those years while
they were winning and had Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I'm just like, what are y'all complaining about?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, but you always noticed too, And I'll say this,
people who are in that city, they know they know
better than you.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I remember the Steve Mariucci when he came to the Lions, right,
and I remember writing his column the Savior has a
ride finding the Lions. How like a football coach who
had won, had some you know what I mean, not
a Super Bowl, but had some cachet. Sure I got nothing,
but you wait and see from writers out in San Francisco. Yeah,
(08:08):
you wait and see when you watch him coach up
up close.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
So I was like, what right?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And you know that didn't work out well with the
Lions and he wind up getting fired during that thing.
So I do see what they're talking about because they
watch every night.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
But it's just it's mind boggling to me that, like,
how is it in game five you're still starting the same,
Like these are the game you're supposed to figure out
your rotations. And the Steve Kerr after the game said
something about how you know, oh, we're closer to solidifying
what our rotations are. Look, yeah, do you believe say
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is starting to finalize the rotation, which is important entering
the Olympics. The only reason why Anthony Davis came out
of the game for the second unit because he picked
up two fouls.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That's it. They were feelers forced to rotate guys.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
He was literally forced to. Otherwise you would have still ran.
They'll say five men, five out, like we watch your
hockey at the Joe.
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Speaker 1 (10:18):
Jordan Love is not playing them around like you know.
The NFL and I get it. A lot of players
holding out is a tough deal because the teams have
so much power and they hold your rights. Even if
you hold out, you don't lose a year, you know
what I mean, They still have your rights. So it's
(10:39):
a bad CBA A bad agreement you know, by the
players to accept it. So it's not like if I
hold out a year, I'm gonna be free and I
can go somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
You can't do that. You don't gain anything.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
All you do is sit out, lose money, and they
still have your rights. So it's a really tough spot
to be in. But Rob g not playing, No, he's not.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
And coming into this season, Jordan Love is set to
make eleven million dollars for the twenty twenty four to
twenty twenty five NFL season, and given the way that
he closed the season out last year, there was a
lot of speculation coming into this summer that he was
looking for a new contract. It has been widely reported
(11:22):
that both sides were looking to make something happen, and
then as recently as about a month and a half ago,
ESPN reported that it was not only possible, but looking
likely that Jordan Love would hold out from training camp
and preseason games if he did not get a new
(11:42):
contract extension. While today, Packers general manager Brian Gunakuz confirmed
that report, telling reporters that Jordan Love and his agents
told the team on Saturday that he would not be
participating in any training camp practice, would not be playing
in any preseason games until he gets a new deal.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
This is interesting because.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Jordan Love did report the camp on time, took part
in meetings and all kinds of other activities, but he
will not physically be at practice. And previously this shows
you know he got money on his mind at all times.
Jordan Love took part in the entire Packers offseason program,
including management mini camp, in order to receive his five
(12:25):
hundred thousand dollars workout bonus. So you can tell Rob
Parker Martin Weiss that Jordan Love is about his paper.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And you know what, I'm serious. I love it from
this standpoint. And you could talk about nitpick and talk
about the first half of last year wasn't that great?
And then he've played well the last six, seven, eight
games whatever it was, and okay, played great in that
playoff game with a Dallas had won sixteen straight home
games or whatever the number was, and he blew them away.
(12:56):
And here's why I'm on Jordan Love's side. He didn't
just show up out of nowhere. He's been with them
for four years. He was drafted in twenty twenty, and
here he is replacing a Hall of Fame quarterback his
first year, they get a playoff win, they look pretty
doing good doing it as well.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And Martin, they came on at the second half of
the season. They know.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
His work habits, they know his work ethic. They've watched
him in practice. You know, in the NFL, what do
you do, Martin? You practice more than you play, right.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Sure, especially as a backup quarterback. Right, so you get to.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
See him, right, Okay, we like him, we don't like him, whatever,
and then the guy performs. Do you want to go
out there without a contract and have something bad happen
to you? I know what happened to Dak Prescott went
out and played without a contract, right, and then he
wound up getting hurt, and it worked out for him somehow.
He still got a deal and got a big deal,
(13:54):
right because the Cowboys that dragged their feet on him
and they wind up paying them. But that could have
been a lot of people were and that Dak was
crazy to even be out there because of.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
The idea that you could get hurt.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
And not only that, I think the injury that Dak
had actually helped because it was a clean broken bone.
Had that been a knee surgery that he needed to do.
You know what I'm saying, it's something that you recover from.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And you don't lose a step. Really, you're able to come.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
He got he got fortunate, right, Yeah, But I'm saying
in the Jordan Love thing, the jury should be out.
I mean, why is the jury why is it a
hung jewey If you're in Green Bay, you watched this
guy markin for four years if you're not buying him,
And it was like Kirk Cousins in DC, right when
they were like, no, we just were not signing them.
They made it clear and they watched it tagged them
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out right, they were like, we're not signing them, and
they didn't care whatever. And he wanted going to Minnesota
and getting a fully guaranteed contract, but they made their
point that they weren't signing them, right, And if you're
the Packers, you can't play that game here. He replaced
a legendary quarterback. They didn't miss a step. They actually
made the playoffs the year before Aaron Rodgers. Last year
they didn't even make the playoffs, right, and you should
(15:00):
be looking at this is you could be a franchise.
Martin Wiss that has three quarterbacks that span forty years, right, Like,
you have a chance to dealers with their coaches, right, Like,
how many teams could have three quarterbacks over forty year stretch?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You know how many teams have had twenty quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
The Cleveland Brown right, had a ton of quarterbacks for
a long time.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
They couldn't get it, get it right.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
They still might not have considering Deshaun Watson. The thing
with Jordan Love, I think this is less about Jordan
Love and what he did last season, good or bad
for that matter, and more just what these numbers are. Like,
fifty million dollars is so much money of your salary
cap that I think we're starting to see the other
shoe drop. Guys like Tua, guys like Jordan Love, guys
(15:51):
like Brock Party. I think you're starting to see the
other shoe drop when it comes to this, because fifty
million dollars is such a big number that if you
make a mistake paying that out, you're done, buddy, You're cooked.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It's over with.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I agree with you in that they've seen Jordan Love
for the last four years. But my thing is this,
how good was Jordan Love when they were looking at him?
Because if you had a quarterback on a rookie contract
and an aging, yet still playing at a very high
level quarterback in Aaron Rodgers, you could have made that trade,
not just let him walk off in Lambeau and you know,
(16:25):
have his moment with Randall Cobb.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
If you had a guy that was.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Ready to go as a backup as a rookie or
second year player, first year player, a guy on that
same rookie contract, then the Packers misman is this a
ton if he was ready to go two years ago.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I agree with that because they did not think he
was there. Otherwise, I'm with you, you pull the trigger. But
holding on to him and then having this guy have
a breakout second half of the season and win a
playoff game in that fashion, now what I mean, what
else could he have to do, Martin to make you
(16:59):
feel good about him moving forward? I mean, I think
that he answered it. It would be different if you
looked at him and he played well in the beginning
and struggled in the second half.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Right, Sure, we've been in a different conversation.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So totally different conversation compared to finishing strong and making
you buy into it.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
That's how we remember the last stuff that we see.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I say this, though, I bet if he had come out,
if Jordan Love had come out in his first full
year starting and had a year like CJ.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Stroud did, there'd be no conversation.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
There'd be no conversation signing up fifty three million dollars
right there on the dotted line.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
But he didn't. He still had that first half of
the season.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I know that we remember the thing that we just saw,
But if I'm signing off a fifty million dollars average
annual value type contract for the next five years, I'm
gonna remember all of it.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, But here's the problem.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
This is the system that the ownership has agreed to,
and this is the thing that the players have signed to.
So now there's no way you can't turn away. The
quarterback is the most important position on these teams, Martin.
If you don't have a quarterback, you're out, You're out
of You're basically out of winning anything. And that's why
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people are so hell bent on you got to have
a quarterback, and that's why the value for the quarterback
is so high. Is it fair to other positions and
other players who should be getting some.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Money and whatnot?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I get all that, but not in this game where
we are now why where they bank on the quarterback
and they throw the ball more than ever and all
the other stuff that goes on with it. It has
changed the importance of the quarterback. And I don't know
how you navigate and worry about, oh well, we don't
want to pay him this and that, that's the going
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rate and unless you have an alternative, if you got
an alternative, then to make it happen other than that.
And I give Jordan Love credit, do not and ot
go out there, don't do it.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
He's getting the right advice. Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
He has leverage over the pack because they don't have
an answer on who would be the quarterback, they will
have to come to the table and will have to
pay him. You don't want to start this off with
you throwing away a season that you could build off
of what happened last year.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
The way I think Jordan Love is doing the right
thing is is he's doing everything but going on the field.
He's still attending meetings. I saw it reported on TV
earlier today as a hold in, not a hold out.
I think if he was completely out of the facility
and doing that type of stuff that I would I
would be he's still not playing them, no, but but
he's but he's there.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
He's in the meetings. He's not playing.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I understand that. But what I'm saying is he's doing
everything but that. But that's how you think to do.
That's how you gel with your teammates. And that's why
I'm saying it's the right thing to do to do
that if you're Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
But it's to me, if you're not playing, not practicing,
not making those throws, not building a rapport with your teammates,
that is the the part that you're You can sit
in all the meetings you want, you know, you got
to get on on the practice field and play. That's
all I'm saying is he he it's not good for
them and to have them around and let and eat
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with them, and he's in the weight room or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I get what he's trying to do and trying to
make it softer on the Packers. But if I'm the Packers,
if he's gonna be around, you gotta it's either gonna
participate or you're not.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
So what I'm telling you that you you don't come
in here.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
What number do you think they land doing to feel
good for for everybody to feel good, both the packer's
side and Love side.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I'm not sure. I mean you got a number in
your head. I mean I know what the going rate is.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, I think if you can get him for fifty million,
forty eight million, in that range forty eight to fifty one,
I think you got to just take him because of
the way you've handled the situation up too prior.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
If Jordan Love's asking for.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Sixty million dollars, then I might just have to go
I might have to go elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But we talked about this before. They should have signed
him before last season that.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Has offered him a deal that was reasonable then.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Because see that, and that's where I think they made
their mistake.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And and what teams do is well, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
We're not sure on Jordan Love, right, so we're not
going to give him off from a contract. But then
if he plays well Martin like he did, it only
ups the price.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Like you do, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
You tell me if it's if before at the end
of last seaed then the two seasons ago when Rogers
is walking off with Randall Cobb out of lambeau Field.
If you offer Jordan Love of you know, a forty
million dollars average annual value contract right.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Probably could have been cheaper than this. That's what that's what.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
The Daniel Jones number, you could have got him at
that you could have got him with what the Johnson
playing Daniel Jones, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And that's the that's on the Packers. And and I'm
just saying, like, you have to stand up for yourself
to get paid. You gotta be real careful in this situation.
He knows how important quarterbacks are. Whoever's talking to him,
they're doing the right thing. They're telling him. There there,
he has leverage. It's not all the time that you
have leverage, Martin. He has leverage.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
He absolutely does this in this in this scenario as
an NFL player, Jordan Love, he may never experience it again.
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Speaker 1 (22:23):
Gilbert Arenas, who has a podcast who Flies off the
Handle says some crazy with sugar and stuff on the podcast,
has really taken it to a new level. After the
United States victory from the jobs of the fairly beat
Soudan South Sudan, they were favored by forty three points
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forty three and a half, let's get it right half
and the United States one by one when Lebron James
had an unuh had an easy layup unguarded layup to
win the game and give the US a one point victory.
And so Gilbert Arenas was not happy and went off,
(23:06):
we are all most lost the drive.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
This is crazy man in bead over there throwing the game.
He's doing the game for his cousins. He was supposed
to be losing to air Up there. Come on, man,
Cool Runnings weren't supposed to lose with the cool running team.
They don't even have shoes. They get their shoes from America.
We gotta ship them shoes.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
They don't even have basketball ribs when ball I've seen
he had to walk what an hour and a half
to go shoot basketball. We losing to people who don't
even they got baskets in the back. They shooting on
peach baskets in.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Dirt, no shoes. Yeah, this is this is disgusting. It's
he inophobic.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
It's really some self hate racist racism, you know. But
the he's trying to be funny and it's falling on
deaf ears because he's factually incorrect, especially when you consider
the amount of money that lou All Dang and others
around the Royal Ivy and the like have invested in
basketball in what I believe is the youngest country on
(24:16):
the planet, South Sudan.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Has he heard of NFL Africa, NBA Africa well, and
Luke and Bai Mute was a big part of that, right,
so you already have that.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
That's how you find the guy like Joellen beating the
first dog on place. Was like, I don't know what
he was doing before he's playing basketball, but he was.
She didn't start until he was much until he was
like a sophomore junior in high school, in.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Part because of that.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
But this look, there's plenty of ways to talk about
how disappointed you were in Team USA without making fun
of the opponent. I was witting on Saturday, VJ and
I were doing the show Saturday eight to eleven Eastern.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
We were on just forty five minutes after the game.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
We both excloriated Team USA and had nothing but good
things to say about Sauth Houdain, like there's there's ways
to do it where you're not literally the opponent, And
especially when you're sitting up just you're talking out the
left side of your mouth because you got no idea
what you're talking about, especially when you consider, like I said,
the investment that they've put in to basketball in Sauthsuda
(25:15):
and the NBA talent that they have both on the
roster and coaching their roster. It's just factually incorrect, and
it's and it's it's something that there's really no space
for in the commentary.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
And I'm glad to see that people aren't just laughing
it off one percent.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And Gilbert Areenas, let's call them ignorant. The words Martin
are hateful, racist to all Africans.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Why in the world would you attack them?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
What did they do wrong that you would want to
chastise them and make fun of their existence and how
they've done things?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
People did research about Gilbert Areenas today whether it matters
or not, because it's just racist. Gilbert Areenas Martin is
he black to my knowledge until you look up his
Wikipedia and it says he's born two Cuban parents, so
he's Cuban, which nobody really knew, not that that really matters,
(26:17):
But my point is.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
There's no place for this.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
This is what happens when rich guys have nothing better
to do, so they get a podcast and people follow
them and they get on and they think that they're
so cute and funny and they can just chastise. They
don't have to answer anybody. Martin right, there's no parent company,
so they just say whatever they want. They do a
(26:45):
disservice to the people that supposedly they serve and how
people are supposed to look at if you're if you're
Gilbert Areenash and your alma model wants to invit you
to something, Martin nor the NBA once, How in the
world could Arizona invite Gilbert Arenas to anything? What would
(27:07):
you be in inviting him to after those kind of comments?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Is that really where you want to go. It's mean spirited,
it's hurtful. There's just so many things that are wrong
with this. Really, that's your comedy act. That's how you
think you want to make fun of the Africans who
put on a ballgame Martin because the US let him
(27:34):
stay in the game, and you talked about it. They've
worked hard, They've had instructions and coaches come over from
the United States.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I mean Royal Ivy coaches. A team that was Kevin
Durant's teammate of Texas. Louell dang is the president of
the Foundation of South Sudan Basketball Foundations, assistant coach on
the team.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
He played in the NBA for what fifteen years?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Not my god, they were out there playing in the
middle of the continent with no supervision and they just
showed up to play basketball with no shoes.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Not like they just walked down the street. He picked
fifteen players. It's like, hey, you guys want to play basketball,
you gotta game.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Guys over there, Hey, why don't you come over here?
What no shoes? Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Really is that where we're going to make fun of
African people.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It's just playing wrong.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And it's also factually incorrect, Like it's also not true.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Like that's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
It'd be one thing if he was actually truthful about it,
and then you can talk about the delivery and how
he was bringing.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It's just not true.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
So it's like, not only are you going up there
and flatley lying, you're not.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Even doing it funny, It's not even funny. But but
but why Martin? You know why because you don't have
any other research on it? Exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
If he had done any research before making that, he
would know all the facts that you know you just
talked about.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
But this is how these podcasts.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
This is my biggest pushback when I talk about a
lot of these podcasts that athletes are doing. Hey, get
into space, do whatever you want to do. Guys, how
many times have you listened to these podcasts? No pushback,
no research, nothing, They're just talking. Really, it would have
(29:22):
been nice if somebody would have been on the podcast
to push back and say, do you do you know
that they put a lot of money into South Sudan
and they got the former NBA players who are coaching them.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Hey, did you know.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
That it's not the Cosby kids playing basketball on a Saturday?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
What are the kids from South Sudan?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
This was a g League MVP last year, right, like
there are several winion game you'll play for the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
He was gotten minutes for the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Gota end up getting cut, got cut by Boston this year.
But the point remains, he was in training camp, sod.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
They just find him right, like not even how to play.
He's a good player, So Gilbert.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Areen, I mean after that, I mean, I'm sure he's
wanted maybe when Amazon gets the contract for the NBA
and be on the pre and post game show?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Is that who you want? Like? Why why go there?
Why do that? I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You already know, but what I'm telling you because it's
not his job, it's a hobby, and they don't feel
that they can be hurt in any way, right Martin,
there's a part of that that allows people to do
stuff that's just playing wrong. And I don't know how
(30:37):
he felt or thought that that was going to be received.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I just don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Well, this is part of it where this is the
part of the situation where you end up where the
media landscape now was dominated by people who are famous
for doing something besides talking in the media.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Right, Gilbert Arenas is not famous because of his podcast.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
He's famous because he played professional basketball for whoever long, Right,
But people make it these are respected broadcasters and he's
not the case. And once again he's proving to you
and showing you that you can listen all you want.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I'm not mad.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I don't care what his numbers are. You know what
I mean, You can listen all you want. You got
to hire profile him. I didn't play any NBA. I
went to journalism school. I have a corporate business here
Premiere Networks and Fox Sports Radio that will hold me
to a certain standard.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Look, if I had come out on Saturday after the game,
me and VJ were in the first to one of
the first people to talk about that on national radio.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
If I come out like Gil with.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
The Reena instad, I probably would have got a text
from the boss saying, don't worry about Monday.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Go ahead, you're good. You're gonna sit on the middle.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Don't worry about Monday. Right, might not even be here.
I mean, come on, Martin, stupidity.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
And the thing is rob you, as just said, is
go to the get sent to the principal's office. Right,
there's no principal's office for him to go to.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
No, and that's the issue.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
It's the only thing is gonna to be the court
of public opinion, which you know I saw several people
on Twitter go ahead and put their two cents in
it saying how wrong this was, Mary mac being one
of them on board out here pop right up. But
I searched gil Erria South student. But there's a bunch
of people who are pushing back on this. But the
reality of the situation is without a big groundswell of online,
(32:21):
of people online saying like this is wrong, this is
needs to stop, like you know, quote unquote cancel him.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Unfortunately, there's not gonna be much to say here.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
And let's bring in Mary Mary on this because she
would totally bother by this.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Mary tell everybody, well.
Speaker 10 (32:36):
I mean, I just feel like in terms of and
even like before the game, I think Paul Pierce had
also said some stuff on I think it's undisputed the
f S one, and he ended up during the game
apologized on air and you know, was saying like, oh sorry,
and what wasn't familiar. But I think the thing is
like with people with that platform, when you go about,
you know, ignorantly talking about Africans or even the South
(32:58):
Siddan team, like and not realizing like, okay, a lot
of these kids aren't like actually just you know, like
I think it's it's bigger than basketball. And it goes
to show like, Okay, it's not okay to be ignorant.
And there are people in these spaces that you know
you're in that you know some of them have that
same background, Like I'm South Sudanese and hearing that, I
was like, okay, that's not okay at all. And it
(33:20):
just goes to show like it pushes such a negative
connotation and it put a negative agenda when that's like
the last thing you should be doing.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It's just stereotypical hate and racism.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I mean, yeah, there's nothing I don't even know what
other words doing.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
The one that comes to minds to me is just
lazy because if you watch the game and paying attention
to the game, there's so many things that you can
pick at from the United States performance that's got nothing
to do with the opponent.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
I mean, a lot of these kids, you know, look
up to Gilbert Rinas or Paul Pierce or like a
lot of these kids lived out here in America or
grew up in Australia.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
So these kids looked up to all these NBA players.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And let me give you this, twelve players on the
South Sudan Need Sudan and roster, you ready, Martin one
play in the NBA one one G League, m v P.
What you mentioned, five played professionally in Australia and.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Five played college basketball in America. They don't look at
the look at the team think.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I don't know if it's kind of on the list,
but one of them kids is about to be a
freshman at Duke next year.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
So I was like, these dudes could play like they
are they NBA All Stars.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
No, but don't make it like the United States have
won that game handily probably so, but he made it
like they were like they were exactly like they were
bush men with no shoes and a peach basket for
a hoop and they came out.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And almost BetUS.
Speaker 10 (34:40):
Yeah, a lot of these kids are first gen Sudanese
Americans are first gen Australian kids.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
USA should have pounded Germany into obliteration today, but that
didn't happen either.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
So what's the jokes there? Like, you know, like I'm
just not a fan.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, and God knows, I don't want to hear any
German jokes either. I mean, God,
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
The USA Olympic team was down by two. We heard
it on Steve de Seger's update. Lebron scored with the
last eleven points for Team USA when they almost lost
to South Sudan the other day. Lebron had a wide
open layup in order to win the game by one
point for the Team USA.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And now there's another game that was close.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Lebron turns what was a two point deficit into what
a four point win rob g against Germany. And you know,
you could celebrate Lebron and go, oh, my god, Lebron,
here's the best player. My god, thank you, thank Lebron.
At almost aged forty years old, he's the best player.
(01:12):
But this is shameful to me, Martin, Really, is it
a good sign even forget about this Olympics going forward?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Where are the other guys? Where's Tatum? Where's Edwards?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I thought those were the young Bucks, those are the
new stars of the NBA. Where are they? Mia? Are
they missing in action? I don't know why Lebron has
to do this at the end for the United States
to beat these teams that South Sudan, they were favored
by forty three points forty three, right, forty three and
(01:48):
a half. If you took South Sudan plus forty three
and a half right, you were cruising. Most people probably
stayed away from that right forty three and a half
thinking that no way, and that won't beat the United States?
Are you cool Lebron being the guy Lebron is the
star of this team?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Crazy for me that you asked where Jason Tatum? Where's
Anthony Edwards?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
To me?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Staple to the bench in the second unit for reasons
I can't tell. Like the way that this road Deroit,
these rotations are set up, Lebron has been the only
one in the starting lineup to me that shows he
still deserves to be in it. Like I think if
you surrounded Lebron with Anthony Edwards and Jason Tatum, Anthony Davis,
and bam Adebayo. Maybe we'd have a little bit more
(02:34):
optionality on the roster. But the way that Steve curR
is running these guys out there doing these hockey line
changes five in five out out of very nice hockey.
You know, yeah, watched the sport Okay on occasion. Well,
I mean, you grew up to in hockey town, so
that's good. You watched some Wings games. They did a
few remote broadcasts out there out of there by the
(02:55):
middle of the second period.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
But really, you know, date hockey's good.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I went to the Joe Minitime Frost year in Detroit,
went to thirty eight of the forty one home games.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I live right next door to the Joe Louis Arenas
thirty eight of the forty one home game and now
Joe Louis Arena doesn't even exist. Crazy, but anyway, jeez,
Louise old.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Anyway, Now, the way that Steve curR is running out
these hockey line changes. First of all, I don't know
how we're supposed to figure out any level of a
rotation right when you're not playing all, you know, everybody
on a damn roster. I don't know how we's supposed
to do that, but when with this starting lineup as
it is, Lebron James is to me the only guy
on the roster that's really taken guys off the dribble.
And if you can't take guys off the dribble in
(03:37):
Olympic basketball, you're gonna be in trouble. We've seen the
United States go off the slow starts. Why because they
come out shoot a three miss, shoot a three miss,
shoot a three miss, shoot a three miss.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And then that's the NBA they that we played we
were in now, right and it all about threes.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Look, sure the game boint is incentivized, but right now,
this roster, currently constructive, doesn't have anybody in the starting
lineup besides Lebron who could consistently take people off the dribble.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And to me, that's part of the problem, and it's
been part of the problem.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
What not a problem the problem of than not making
shots like they're supposed to make shots too, right.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, I understand that, but when you miss your four
to three out of five shots, maybe it's time to
go to the rim. That's what I'm saying. And would
you see every time this first unit comes out. What
happened just in the Germany game, twenty four to four
or twenty one to four run at the end of
the first quarter. You know what happened with four minutes
left in the first quarter, he subbed into everybody that's
on the bench. If he optimized Steve Kerrf, he optimized.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The stein Kerr.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
As a bad coach, I don't know what he's doing, Okay,
I don't know what he's doing. I'm watching games at
the house thinking, I don't know why he's running out
the same starting lineup. But I think if he did
optimize the starting lineups.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
We would see more action and less Lebron.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, it's puzzling because even throughout the coaching and I
hear your points, all your points are all fair. Still,
the talent and the people that they have should be
able to.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Beat these others countries. Would you agree with that.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I think that's why they're winning is because of the
tarentand that's that's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
That's the only reason.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I'm saying if those guys played up to their ability,
and I get it. I'm just saying, uh, Jason Tatum, uh,
Anthony Edwards like those are the guys I thought we
would be seeing more of.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I know they're gonna play the other guys, and they're
the veteran guys and it's their last hurrah. So I
get all that, right, I do. I understand that, and
they're gonna start them in that unit that's been getting
off the slow starts and all whatnot. But I still thought,
are they gonna be sweating out games? I'm surprised that
they're sweating out games.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I full, I fully, wholeheartedly believe that if they weren't
coming off the bench, those two in particular, if they
weren't coming off the bench and instead it was Devin
Booker and and uh it was Devin Booker and and
Drew Holliday coming off the bench, they wouldn't be sweating
out games. They wouldn't be because they would get out
to a ten point lead in the beginning and everybody
(06:08):
else would lay down because they know they're not supposed
to win these games, right, you know, South Studan, you
give them hope throughout this entire throughout the first.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Quarter, you give them hope through the second hard.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
They figured like they figured out, these guys are human,
we can beat them right, Germany, the same thing. If
they come out and do a twenty one to four run,
that's a fifteen point march at the end of the game.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, you always want to snap, especially a team that
you're better than. You stab their hopes right away and
let them know you're not winning today. Okay, let's just
we're going to let you know right away you're not winning.
So let us make this clear to you. You could
go ahead and play. We know you're gonna have a
run at some point, right, you'll make a run at
(06:49):
some point, but you're not winning, and you're right. The
longer you let somebody hang around, We've talked about it before,
the better shot that somebody has of upsetting you because
they build confidence as time goes on.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
All of a sudden, three start bouncing off the rim,
hitting the backboard, falling in the ref makes a bad call.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Now it's an and one found.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Somebody drips the ball off their leg right, all of
a sudden, you know, one thing after another after another
after another, and then it just snowballs into Wow, this
forty three point underdog might win.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
This damn thing. Crazy.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I know it's crazy, but it's really, I really do
all an apology to Warriors Fanca all those years while
they were winning and had Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I'm just like, what are y'all complaining about?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, but you always noticed too, And I'll say this,
people who are in that city, they know they know
better than you.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I remember the Steve Mariucci when he came to the Lions, right,
and I remember writing his column the Savior has a
ride finding the Lions. How like a football coach who
had won, had some you know what I mean, not
a Super Bowl, but had some cachet. Sure I got nothing,
but you wait and see from writers out in San Francisco. Yeah,
(08:08):
you wait and see when you watch him coach up
up close.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
So I was like, what right?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And you know that didn't work out well with the
Lions and he wind up getting fired during that thing.
So I do see what they're talking about because they
watch every night.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
But it's just it's mind boggling to me that, like,
how is it in game five you're still starting the same,
Like these are the game you're supposed to figure out
your rotations. And the Steve Kerr after the game said
something about how you know, oh, we're closer to solidifying
what our rotations are. Look, yeah, do you believe say
(08:45):
is starting to finalize the rotation, which is important entering
the Olympics. The only reason why Anthony Davis came out
of the game for the second unit because he picked
up two fouls.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That's it. They were feelers forced to rotate guys.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
He was literally forced to. Otherwise you would have still ran.
They'll say five men, five out, like we watch your
hockey at the Joe.
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Speaker 1 (10:18):
Jordan Love is not playing them around like you know.
The NFL and I get it. A lot of players
holding out is a tough deal because the teams have
so much power and they hold your rights. Even if
you hold out, you don't lose a year, you know
what I mean, They still have your rights. So it's
(10:39):
a bad CBA A bad agreement you know, by the
players to accept it. So it's not like if I
hold out a year, I'm gonna be free and I
can go somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
You can't do that. You don't gain anything.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
All you do is sit out, lose money, and they
still have your rights. So it's a really tough spot
to be in. But Rob g not playing, No, he's not.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
And coming into this season, Jordan Love is set to
make eleven million dollars for the twenty twenty four to
twenty twenty five NFL season, and given the way that
he closed the season out last year, there was a
lot of speculation coming into this summer that he was
looking for a new contract. It has been widely reported
(11:22):
that both sides were looking to make something happen, and
then as recently as about a month and a half ago,
ESPN reported that it was not only possible, but looking
likely that Jordan Love would hold out from training camp
and preseason games if he did not get a new
(11:42):
contract extension. While today, Packers general manager Brian Gunakuz confirmed
that report, telling reporters that Jordan Love and his agents
told the team on Saturday that he would not be
participating in any training camp practice, would not be playing
in any preseason games until he gets a new deal.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
This is interesting because.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Jordan Love did report the camp on time, took part
in meetings and all kinds of other activities, but he
will not physically be at practice. And previously this shows
you know he got money on his mind at all times.
Jordan Love took part in the entire Packers offseason program,
including management mini camp, in order to receive his five
(12:25):
hundred thousand dollars workout bonus. So you can tell Rob
Parker Martin Weiss that Jordan Love is about his paper.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And you know what, I'm serious. I love it from
this standpoint. And you could talk about nitpick and talk
about the first half of last year wasn't that great?
And then he've played well the last six, seven, eight
games whatever it was, and okay, played great in that
playoff game with a Dallas had won sixteen straight home
games or whatever the number was, and he blew them away.
(12:56):
And here's why I'm on Jordan Love's side. He didn't
just show up out of nowhere. He's been with them
for four years. He was drafted in twenty twenty, and
here he is replacing a Hall of Fame quarterback his
first year, they get a playoff win, they look pretty
doing good doing it as well.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And Martin, they came on at the second half of
the season. They know.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
His work habits, they know his work ethic. They've watched
him in practice. You know, in the NFL, what do
you do, Martin? You practice more than you play, right.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Sure, especially as a backup quarterback. Right, so you get to.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
See him, right, Okay, we like him, we don't like him, whatever,
and then the guy performs. Do you want to go
out there without a contract and have something bad happen
to you? I know what happened to Dak Prescott went
out and played without a contract, right, and then he
wound up getting hurt, and it worked out for him somehow.
He still got a deal and got a big deal,
(13:54):
right because the Cowboys that dragged their feet on him
and they wind up paying them. But that could have
been a lot of people were and that Dak was
crazy to even be out there because of.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
The idea that you could get hurt.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
And not only that, I think the injury that Dak
had actually helped because it was a clean broken bone.
Had that been a knee surgery that he needed to do.
You know what I'm saying, it's something that you recover from.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And you don't lose a step. Really, you're able to come.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
He got he got fortunate, right, Yeah, But I'm saying
in the Jordan Love thing, the jury should be out.
I mean, why is the jury why is it a
hung jewey If you're in Green Bay, you watched this
guy markin for four years if you're not buying him,
And it was like Kirk Cousins in DC, right when
they were like, no, we just were not signing them.
They made it clear and they watched it tagged them
(14:37):
out right, they were like, we're not signing them, and
they didn't care whatever. And he wanted going to Minnesota
and getting a fully guaranteed contract, but they made their
point that they weren't signing them, right, And if you're
the Packers, you can't play that game here. He replaced
a legendary quarterback. They didn't miss a step. They actually
made the playoffs the year before Aaron Rodgers. Last year
they didn't even make the playoffs, right, and you should
(15:00):
be looking at this is you could be a franchise.
Martin Wiss that has three quarterbacks that span forty years, right, Like,
you have a chance to dealers with their coaches, right, Like,
how many teams could have three quarterbacks over forty year stretch?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You know how many teams have had twenty quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
The Cleveland Brown right, had a ton of quarterbacks for
a long time.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
They couldn't get it, get it right.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
They still might not have considering Deshaun Watson. The thing
with Jordan Love, I think this is less about Jordan
Love and what he did last season, good or bad
for that matter, and more just what these numbers are. Like,
fifty million dollars is so much money of your salary
cap that I think we're starting to see the other
shoe drop. Guys like Tua, guys like Jordan Love, guys
(15:51):
like Brock Party. I think you're starting to see the
other shoe drop when it comes to this, because fifty
million dollars is such a big number that if you
make a mistake paying that out, you're done, buddy, You're cooked.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It's over with.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I agree with you in that they've seen Jordan Love
for the last four years. But my thing is this,
how good was Jordan Love when they were looking at him?
Because if you had a quarterback on a rookie contract
and an aging, yet still playing at a very high
level quarterback in Aaron Rodgers, you could have made that trade,
not just let him walk off in Lambeau and you know,
(16:25):
have his moment with Randall Cobb.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
If you had a guy that was.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Ready to go as a backup as a rookie or
second year player, first year player, a guy on that
same rookie contract, then the Packers misman is this a
ton if he was ready to go two years ago.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I agree with that because they did not think he
was there. Otherwise, I'm with you, you pull the trigger. But
holding on to him and then having this guy have
a breakout second half of the season and win a
playoff game in that fashion, now what I mean, what
else could he have to do, Martin to make you
(16:59):
feel good about him moving forward? I mean, I think
that he answered it. It would be different if you
looked at him and he played well in the beginning
and struggled in the second half.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Right, Sure, we've been in a different conversation.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So totally different conversation compared to finishing strong and making
you buy into it.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
That's how we remember the last stuff that we see.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I say this, though, I bet if he had come out,
if Jordan Love had come out in his first full
year starting and had a year like CJ.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Stroud did, there'd be no conversation.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
There'd be no conversation signing up fifty three million dollars
right there on the dotted line.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
But he didn't. He still had that first half of
the season.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I know that we remember the thing that we just saw,
But if I'm signing off a fifty million dollars average
annual value type contract for the next five years, I'm
gonna remember all of it.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, But here's the problem.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
This is the system that the ownership has agreed to,
and this is the thing that the players have signed to.
So now there's no way you can't turn away. The
quarterback is the most important position on these teams, Martin.
If you don't have a quarterback, you're out, You're out
of You're basically out of winning anything. And that's why
(18:11):
people are so hell bent on you got to have
a quarterback, and that's why the value for the quarterback
is so high. Is it fair to other positions and
other players who should be getting some.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Money and whatnot?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I get all that, but not in this game where
we are now why where they bank on the quarterback
and they throw the ball more than ever and all
the other stuff that goes on with it. It has
changed the importance of the quarterback. And I don't know
how you navigate and worry about, oh well, we don't
want to pay him this and that, that's the going
(18:45):
rate and unless you have an alternative, if you got
an alternative, then to make it happen other than that.
And I give Jordan Love credit, do not and ot
go out there, don't do it.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
He's getting the right advice. Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
He has leverage over the pack because they don't have
an answer on who would be the quarterback, they will
have to come to the table and will have to
pay him. You don't want to start this off with
you throwing away a season that you could build off
of what happened last year.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
The way I think Jordan Love is doing the right
thing is is he's doing everything but going on the field.
He's still attending meetings. I saw it reported on TV
earlier today as a hold in, not a hold out.
I think if he was completely out of the facility
and doing that type of stuff that I would I
would be he's still not playing them, no, but but
he's but he's there.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
He's in the meetings. He's not playing.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I understand that. But what I'm saying is he's doing
everything but that. But that's how you think to do.
That's how you gel with your teammates. And that's why
I'm saying it's the right thing to do to do
that if you're Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
But it's to me, if you're not playing, not practicing,
not making those throws, not building a rapport with your teammates,
that is the the part that you're You can sit
in all the meetings you want, you know, you got
to get on on the practice field and play. That's
all I'm saying is he he it's not good for
them and to have them around and let and eat
(20:11):
with them, and he's in the weight room or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I get what he's trying to do and trying to
make it softer on the Packers. But if I'm the Packers,
if he's gonna be around, you gotta it's either gonna
participate or you're not.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
So what I'm telling you that you you don't come
in here.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
What number do you think they land doing to feel
good for for everybody to feel good, both the packer's
side and Love side.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I'm not sure. I mean you got a number in
your head. I mean I know what the going rate is.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, I think if you can get him for fifty million,
forty eight million, in that range forty eight to fifty one,
I think you got to just take him because of
the way you've handled the situation up too prior.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
If Jordan Love's asking for.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Sixty million dollars, then I might just have to go
I might have to go elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But we talked about this before. They should have signed
him before last season that.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Has offered him a deal that was reasonable then.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Because see that, and that's where I think they made
their mistake.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And and what teams do is well, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
We're not sure on Jordan Love, right, so we're not
going to give him off from a contract. But then
if he plays well Martin like he did, it only
ups the price.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Like you do, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
You tell me if it's if before at the end
of last seaed then the two seasons ago when Rogers
is walking off with Randall Cobb out of lambeau Field.
If you offer Jordan Love of you know, a forty
million dollars average annual value contract right.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Probably could have been cheaper than this. That's what that's what.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
The Daniel Jones number, you could have got him at
that you could have got him with what the Johnson
playing Daniel Jones, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And that's the that's on the Packers. And and I'm
just saying, like, you have to stand up for yourself
to get paid. You gotta be real careful in this situation.
He knows how important quarterbacks are. Whoever's talking to him,
they're doing the right thing. They're telling him. There there,
he has leverage. It's not all the time that you
have leverage, Martin. He has leverage.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
He absolutely does this in this in this scenario as
an NFL player, Jordan Love, he may never experience it again.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
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Speaker 1 (22:23):
Gilbert Arenas, who has a podcast who Flies off the
Handle says some crazy with sugar and stuff on the podcast,
has really taken it to a new level. After the
United States victory from the jobs of the fairly beat
Soudan South Sudan, they were favored by forty three points
(22:45):
forty three and a half, let's get it right half
and the United States one by one when Lebron James
had an unuh had an easy layup unguarded layup to
win the game and give the US a one point victory.
And so Gilbert Arenas was not happy and went off,
(23:06):
we are all most lost the drive.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
This is crazy man in bead over there throwing the game.
He's doing the game for his cousins. He was supposed
to be losing to air Up there. Come on, man,
Cool Runnings weren't supposed to lose with the cool running team.
They don't even have shoes. They get their shoes from America.
We gotta ship them shoes.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
They don't even have basketball ribs when ball I've seen
he had to walk what an hour and a half
to go shoot basketball. We losing to people who don't
even they got baskets in the back. They shooting on
peach baskets in.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Dirt, no shoes. Yeah, this is this is disgusting. It's
he inophobic.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
It's really some self hate racist racism, you know. But
the he's trying to be funny and it's falling on
deaf ears because he's factually incorrect, especially when you consider
the amount of money that lou All Dang and others
around the Royal Ivy and the like have invested in
basketball in what I believe is the youngest country on
(24:16):
the planet, South Sudan.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Has he heard of NFL Africa, NBA Africa well, and
Luke and Bai Mute was a big part of that, right,
so you already have that.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
That's how you find the guy like Joellen beating the
first dog on place. Was like, I don't know what
he was doing before he's playing basketball, but he was.
She didn't start until he was much until he was
like a sophomore junior in high school, in.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Part because of that.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
But this look, there's plenty of ways to talk about
how disappointed you were in Team USA without making fun
of the opponent. I was witting on Saturday, VJ and
I were doing the show Saturday eight to eleven Eastern.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
We were on just forty five minutes after the game.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
We both excloriated Team USA and had nothing but good
things to say about Sauth Houdain, like there's there's ways
to do it where you're not literally the opponent, And
especially when you're sitting up just you're talking out the
left side of your mouth because you got no idea
what you're talking about, especially when you consider, like I said,
the investment that they've put in to basketball in Sauthsuda
(25:15):
and the NBA talent that they have both on the
roster and coaching their roster. It's just factually incorrect, and
it's and it's it's something that there's really no space
for in the commentary.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
And I'm glad to see that people aren't just laughing
it off one percent.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And Gilbert Areenas, let's call them ignorant. The words Martin
are hateful, racist to all Africans.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Why in the world would you attack them?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
What did they do wrong that you would want to
chastise them and make fun of their existence and how
they've done things?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
People did research about Gilbert Areenas today whether it matters
or not, because it's just racist. Gilbert Areenas Martin is
he black to my knowledge until you look up his
Wikipedia and it says he's born two Cuban parents, so
he's Cuban, which nobody really knew, not that that really matters,
(26:17):
But my point is.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
There's no place for this.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
This is what happens when rich guys have nothing better
to do, so they get a podcast and people follow
them and they get on and they think that they're
so cute and funny and they can just chastise. They
don't have to answer anybody. Martin right, there's no parent company,
so they just say whatever they want. They do a
(26:45):
disservice to the people that supposedly they serve and how
people are supposed to look at if you're if you're
Gilbert Areenash and your alma model wants to invit you
to something, Martin nor the NBA once, How in the
world could Arizona invite Gilbert Arenas to anything? What would
(27:07):
you be in inviting him to after those kind of comments?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Is that really where you want to go. It's mean spirited,
it's hurtful. There's just so many things that are wrong
with this. Really, that's your comedy act. That's how you
think you want to make fun of the Africans who
put on a ballgame Martin because the US let him
(27:34):
stay in the game, and you talked about it. They've
worked hard, They've had instructions and coaches come over from
the United States.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I mean Royal Ivy coaches. A team that was Kevin
Durant's teammate of Texas. Louell dang is the president of
the Foundation of South Sudan Basketball Foundations, assistant coach on
the team.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
He played in the NBA for what fifteen years?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Not my god, they were out there playing in the
middle of the continent with no supervision and they just
showed up to play basketball with no shoes.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Not like they just walked down the street. He picked
fifteen players. It's like, hey, you guys want to play basketball,
you gotta game.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Guys over there, Hey, why don't you come over here?
What no shoes? Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Really is that where we're going to make fun of
African people.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It's just playing wrong.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And it's also factually incorrect, Like it's also not true.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Like that's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
It'd be one thing if he was actually truthful about it,
and then you can talk about the delivery and how
he was bringing.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It's just not true.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
So it's like, not only are you going up there
and flatley lying, you're not.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Even doing it funny, It's not even funny. But but
but why Martin? You know why because you don't have
any other research on it? Exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
If he had done any research before making that, he
would know all the facts that you know you just
talked about.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
But this is how these podcasts.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
This is my biggest pushback when I talk about a
lot of these podcasts that athletes are doing. Hey, get
into space, do whatever you want to do. Guys, how
many times have you listened to these podcasts? No pushback,
no research, nothing, They're just talking. Really, it would have
(29:22):
been nice if somebody would have been on the podcast
to push back and say, do you do you know
that they put a lot of money into South Sudan
and they got the former NBA players who are coaching them.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Hey, did you know.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
That it's not the Cosby kids playing basketball on a Saturday?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
What are the kids from South Sudan?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
This was a g League MVP last year, right, like
there are several winion game you'll play for the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
He was gotten minutes for the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Gota end up getting cut, got cut by Boston this year.
But the point remains, he was in training camp, sod.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
They just find him right, like not even how to play.
He's a good player, So Gilbert.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Areen, I mean after that, I mean, I'm sure he's
wanted maybe when Amazon gets the contract for the NBA
and be on the pre and post game show?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Is that who you want? Like? Why why go there?
Why do that? I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You already know, but what I'm telling you because it's
not his job, it's a hobby, and they don't feel
that they can be hurt in any way, right Martin,
there's a part of that that allows people to do
stuff that's just playing wrong. And I don't know how
(30:37):
he felt or thought that that was going to be received.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I just don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Well, this is part of it where this is the
part of the situation where you end up where the
media landscape now was dominated by people who are famous
for doing something besides talking in the media.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Right, Gilbert Arenas is not famous because of his podcast.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
He's famous because he played professional basketball for whoever long, Right,
But people make it these are respected broadcasters and he's
not the case. And once again he's proving to you
and showing you that you can listen all you want.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I'm not mad.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I don't care what his numbers are. You know what
I mean, You can listen all you want. You got
to hire profile him. I didn't play any NBA. I
went to journalism school. I have a corporate business here
Premiere Networks and Fox Sports Radio that will hold me
to a certain standard.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Look, if I had come out on Saturday after the game,
me and VJ were in the first to one of
the first people to talk about that on national radio.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
If I come out like Gil with.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
The Reena instad, I probably would have got a text
from the boss saying, don't worry about Monday.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Go ahead, you're good. You're gonna sit on the middle.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Don't worry about Monday. Right, might not even be here.
I mean, come on, Martin, stupidity.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
And the thing is rob you, as just said, is
go to the get sent to the principal's office. Right,
there's no principal's office for him to go to.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
No, and that's the issue.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
It's the only thing is gonna to be the court
of public opinion, which you know I saw several people
on Twitter go ahead and put their two cents in
it saying how wrong this was, Mary mac being one
of them on board out here pop right up. But
I searched gil Erria South student. But there's a bunch
of people who are pushing back on this. But the
reality of the situation is without a big groundswell of online,
(32:21):
of people online saying like this is wrong, this is
needs to stop, like you know, quote unquote cancel him.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Unfortunately, there's not gonna be much to say here.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
And let's bring in Mary Mary on this because she
would totally bother by this.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Mary tell everybody, well.
Speaker 10 (32:36):
I mean, I just feel like in terms of and
even like before the game, I think Paul Pierce had
also said some stuff on I think it's undisputed the
f S one, and he ended up during the game
apologized on air and you know, was saying like, oh sorry,
and what wasn't familiar. But I think the thing is
like with people with that platform, when you go about,
you know, ignorantly talking about Africans or even the South
(32:58):
Siddan team, like and not realizing like, okay, a lot
of these kids aren't like actually just you know, like
I think it's it's bigger than basketball. And it goes
to show like, Okay, it's not okay to be ignorant.
And there are people in these spaces that you know
you're in that you know some of them have that
same background, Like I'm South Sudanese and hearing that, I
was like, okay, that's not okay at all. And it
(33:20):
just goes to show like it pushes such a negative
connotation and it put a negative agenda when that's like
the last thing you should be doing.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It's just stereotypical hate and racism.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I mean, yeah, there's nothing I don't even know what
other words doing.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
The one that comes to minds to me is just
lazy because if you watch the game and paying attention
to the game, there's so many things that you can
pick at from the United States performance that's got nothing
to do with the opponent.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
I mean, a lot of these kids, you know, look
up to Gilbert Rinas or Paul Pierce or like a
lot of these kids lived out here in America or
grew up in Australia.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
So these kids looked up to all these NBA players.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And let me give you this, twelve players on the
South Sudan Need Sudan and roster, you ready, Martin one
play in the NBA one one G League, m v P.
What you mentioned, five played professionally in Australia and.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Five played college basketball in America. They don't look at
the look at the team think.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I don't know if it's kind of on the list,
but one of them kids is about to be a
freshman at Duke next year.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
So I was like, these dudes could play like they
are they NBA All Stars.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
No, but don't make it like the United States have
won that game handily probably so, but he made it
like they were like they were exactly like they were
bush men with no shoes and a peach basket for
a hoop and they came out.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And almost BetUS.
Speaker 10 (34:40):
Yeah, a lot of these kids are first gen Sudanese
Americans are first gen Australian kids.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
USA should have pounded Germany into obliteration today, but that
didn't happen either.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
So what's the jokes there? Like, you know, like I'm
just not a fan.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, and God knows, I don't want to hear any
German jokes either. I mean, God,
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