November 22, 2019 • 36 mins
It's the best of the Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob analyze Myles Garrett's comments on accusing Steelers quarterback, Mason Rudolph, of uttering a racial slur which prompted him to swing the helmet at Rudolph. The guys also break down the debut of Kawhi and Paul George after winning in overtime against the Celtics, but the guys question the Clippers' play-calling at the end of regulation. Plus, six-time Pro Bowl quarterback, Donovan McNabb, joins the show to weigh in on the Garrett - Rudolph situation, as well as if he views himself as a precursor of the mobile quarterback.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brusso and Rod Harker. Myles Garrett, of course,
suspended for the rest of the season, suspended indefinitely. Actually, well,
you shocked by that that he lost his appearent really
because I do think it should just be the rest
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of the year. And I get it. You want to
meet with him, and you know, see it. He's in
the right place mentally, But I think the rest of
the year is sufficient, and I hope that's what it
ends up being. But anyway, he had his appeals today
the suspension was upheld. But the big news coming out
of it is that he accused Mason Rudolph, to Steelers
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quarterback who he got into it with and hit with
the helmet, of using a racial slur while they were
tussling on the ground. Just those two before Marquis Pouncy
and others got involved, and he says that's kind of
what triggered him to do what he did. Now, let's
both I'm sure we're both on the same page with this.
Even if Rudolph did call him the N word, let's sake,
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that's I'm sure if it was said, that's what it was.
It doesn't justify you hitting him with a helmet because
you could have killed the dude. However, it would change
some things, and mainly in that it would likely lead
to a suspension for Rudolph if indeed he said it. However,
the NFL's come out and said they have found no
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evidence that Rudolph uttered such a thing. Mason Rudolph and
his representatives have also come out and strongly denied it.
So basically, Rob what we have is that he said
he said type of thing, And I'm not going to
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accuse Mason Rudolph of saying that, and I'm also not
going to accuse Miles Garrett of making it up. Both
instances would be very bad. If Rudolph indeed said that
that quickly like you, he tackled you late, you on
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the ground, tussling and you and you got black teammates
around you, you know, not right there, but on the
field with you, and you went there, then that just
says a lot about you because you probably use the
word all the time. If you went there that quickly.
And on the other hand, if Garrett is lying, then
that's that's just way out of line and that Okay,
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he just put his go ahead, robed you. You want
to read it. Yeah, he just tweeted this out as
he were talking. Chris he says, quote, I was assured
that the hearing was a space that afforded the opportunity
to speak openly and honestly about the incident that led
to my suspension. This was not meant for public dissemination,
nor was it a convenient attempt to justify my actions
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or restore my image in the eyes of those I disappointed.
I know what I heard. Whether my opponent's comment was
born out of frustration or ignorance, I cannot say. But
his actions do not excuse my lack of restraint the moment,
and I truly regret the impact this has had on
the league, the Browns and are devoted fans. Wow, so
he doubles down. I mean, look, both sides strongly sticking
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to their argument. And uh, if he's lying about, this
is sad because this just diminishes real acts of racism
that we encounter as African Americas or or any minority group.
But you know, I'm not gonna say he's definitely lying about.
Nobody knows who if he's lying or not, other than
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the two men who were involved. I mean, let's let's first,
that's my first state. The truth may okay, but my
but my my problem is Chris playing and simple it
just doesn't feel good or feel right, and just that
it's the first time it's coming out. If this really
was it not at any point, if he could have
brought to me a teammate that he confided in somebody
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right at that point of the situation, I would have more.
I would feel better that there's something there, rather than conveniently,
when you're at an appeal trying to save your butt
from a couple of games so that you can save
some money, and and and then again for him to
even say, well, this wasn't for public consumption. If it's true,
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it doesn't matter if he got out. If it's just
true Chris, it doesn't matter. Seriously, stuff is said in
the courtroom all the time, and I notice is a
court but it's appeals, right, So that so that shouldn't
even the fact that he even has to say that, Well,
I was supposed to talk open and honestly, no, if
it's true, it's true, or do you not believe him?
I just I can because I would I would believe
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if that made me so I rate And they asked
me after the game, why did you snap? What happened?
I just can't believe. I wouldn't have said I've never
done anything like this, this guy said, X, Y and Z,
and I snapped, and you know what, Chris to share
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what But behind the curtains of our show, there's only
I don't snap. There's a time that I snapped on
this show and me and you were doing a show
and you triggered me, and you know it. But it
was right there, and I just I would want it
to be in his case had he just come out
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or said something to somebody at that point in time
to do it in an appeals thing later on. And
I hope it's true that I'm gonna tell you this.
I hope it's true, because if it's not true, to
do that to Mason Rudolf and put that in the
atmosphere when it's not to me is just as bad
as it gets. You just said it, Chris. He's on
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a football team with seventy five percent of his teammates
being black, and if he didn't see you paint somebody
in a light like that, And if it ain't true,
it's a bad thing. If it is, I hope it's
true because then because then I won't be a bad
about it's true, then you're dealing what type of person
you're dealing? Well, what I'm just I'm just saying because
I would hate to have somebody paint me a certain
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way and it ain't true. You can't take it back.
Once it's out there here, people are gonna look at
him a certain way if it. No matter what, Chris,
no matter what, your point is valid, there's no question
about it. However, your personality may be different from him,
and he may have been thinking and leg in that's
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a good point. Why not come out right at that
moment and say, look or two doesn't justify what I did.
But dude called me the N word, right and I
snug out. Now, that's that's one way of handling. Another way, however,
is that by the time Miles Garrett spoke, he had
already been told by the team, you know, people working
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for the team and everybody, how big and serious this
thing was. You know, you know now like after right
after it happens, he probably isn't even absorbing how big
of a deal this is. By the time he spoke,
he's been told about how long you might be suspended.
This thing is serious. They're killing you all over the place,
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all these everybody's killing you left the right. So he
may have felt like, let me not come out and
say something what I did was wrong. Let me just
own it and not come out with something that looks
like an excuse. And he did say he said something,
and will something Tod rob g what was it that
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he said something to the effect of he said something
was said, So he said that immediately after the game.
But it's possible he was just like, I don't want
to say anything that makes it look like I'm excusing
what I did, but I'll get to it later. And
to be honest, if that's you're thinking, then the appeals
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meeting is actually the way the place to do it.
And he did to his point in the his tweet
just now, if he didn't want to go public with it,
then that could explain why he held out until he
had the appeals court meet. I totally look at it
totally different. This is all going to alter your career,
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alter how people view you. And whether he said the
inn word or not, it's gonna No, it is. But
I'm just saying at that very moment, you know, because Chris,
everything I heard from people like, oh, he tried to
kick him in the nuts. Oh he tried. I mean
it was like I heard like three or four excuses
before that. You can say that, you can say that, yeah,
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three or four excuses that you know what I mean.
Didn't we hear that in his package whatever you want
to call it, But but we heard that as an excuse. Oh,
I would have done that too. And then he said
he tried to pull his helmet off. Oh other people. No, No,
I'm just saying. I'm just saying, but those were all
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the lined up excuses on why he snapped. Nobody used that.
And my other thing is, at least to protect yourself
if that was the case, if you were my best
friend on the team and you came to me and
an a quiet moment, I would have said, Chris, I snapped,
he said, x Y, I'll take it further. That would
have helped you. If I go to that would have
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helped you. I'll take it further. It doesn't have to
be a quiet moment, keeping it real, you and me,
your boys to happen like yeah, I'm I'm gonna be
like yo, dude said, dude, call me to But that's
what I'm saying. He if it is very You're very
right in saying he probably he would have told somebody somebody,
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and maybe he did for all we know. We don't know.
But that's the guy you gotta wring to the appeal.
You gotta bring that guy to the appeal. But it doesn't.
It just shows up the at the moment of the situation.
That's always take I don't. You don't need to bring
them to the appeal because they don't. They don't offer
any proof. No, it's not about proof that. It's just
like in situations where where oftentime, where women are involved
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in situations and they either have a tech I'm just
hearing me out, have a text to their girlfriend or
just something that shows But I'm just saying but at
that moment that something had happened to them, that they
were concerned about it on a grander scale, do you
know what I'm saying? Or they used to think what
they called them? They they'll say, well, I called my
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best friend and I talked to her about it. I
didn't know which way to go. I didn't know if
I should go to the police. I didn't know if
I should say nothing. Do you know what I'm just telling?
I don't. There's nothing here. Just feels convenient. You bring
in a teammate in the appeals hearing to say, yeah,
he told me that he or statement wore you know statement.
I'm just that looks like you're trying to use that
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as an excuse, and I don't if it's I don't
think he's trying to use it as an excuse. I
think he's telling the whole situation what happened. Oh, I
just I think I think it's more about trying to
uh garner sympathy. I just feel like the timing is
bad for me. I don't feel good about it. He
could be one hundred percent right. I hope he's right,
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because I just hope that no one would make up
such a thing and put a guy's reputation out there
that suck at that point, that can't like he doubled down.
He has no choice. Where does Mason. You can't come
out and be like, you know what, I'm mistaken. I
didn't hear what I thought I heard or something. It's you,
it's out there now. Both of them probably got their
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guns unless we get some you know, the NFL taped
it or you know they're they have taping all this.
But didn't we Jack, We just saw this. Didn't Richard
Sherman say that there wasn't a handshake that he was
he was Bush league? Yeah, but that doesn't mean that
Baker may nod Sherman did no. But I'm smiles, Garrett,
not two different people. My point is everybody had made
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my open didn't didn't they attack Baker may feel it?
And then the video came out and then Richard Sherman's
I had to apologize. That's all I'm saying. Chris, I
get it. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Odd Couple with Chris Broussard then Rob Parker week days
at seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and The iHeartRadio, I let us talk. Last night
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was a big night in the NBA. It was the
first night that Paul George and Kawhi Leonard played together.
This is the duo that some believe is the best
tandem in an NBA full of outstanding tandems. Right now.
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You got Russell Westbrook and James Harden in Houston. You
got Anthony Davis and Lebron James with the Lakers. You've
got Kevin Durand who's injured of course, and Kyrie Irving
in Brooklyn. We could go on and on. There's a
few more, and George and Kawhi are right there with
the best of them. I personally think Lebron and Anthony
Davis are the best, but Rob and others think that
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George and Kawhi are the best. And it was a
bit sloppy. Both of them have five turnovers a piece combined.
They shot thirty nine percent from the floor. But here's
what I say for their first game ever together. To
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go out and beat a very good, a very good
Boston Celtics team, a team that was eleven and one
or eleven and two, I'm sorry to go out and
beat an excellent Boston Celtics team. In your first ever
game together, that is impressive. And when they get some
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time together develop more of their chemistry, they are going
to be, in my opinion, as good as advertised. Now,
I still pick the Lakers to win the championship. I
feel good about it, but the Clippers are gonna be
right there. And I think these two LA teams are
on a crash course to meet in the Western Conference finals.
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Of course they could meet before that, depending on the seating,
but they're the two teams in basketball in my view.
And uh, I think the future of this year is bright,
assuming Kauai can stay healthy, because that's a concern of mine.
A little bit. His last in November, rob he's that's
five games he's played. He's out. He's shooting thirty five
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percent from the floor, only twenty two percent from three,
and two of his last three games have been a
bit subpar. Last night seventeen points. I mentioned the five turnovers,
uh and then a couple of games ago when they
played Toronto, his former team, he only had twelve uh.
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So he hasn't been the Kauai that we're used to.
I hope it's maybe just rushed from the low management. Uh.
You know, I hope it's not anything degenerative bothering him
with the n but he does. He hasn't looked himself
in the last few games. But you know, we'll see
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how that turns out. But yeah, I like what I
see so far, even though they got work to do.
I think they're a perfect match. I think they're gonna
really fit in well with this group. And you know
the team we saw Patrick Beverley hit the Big three.
You know, they got other players. Lou Williams had twenty seven.
It ain't just about them. They had a nice little
nucleus and they got guys who can play. This ain't
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like they come in there to totally saved them. They
won forty eight what was it, forty eight or fifty
two games against the Warriors in the first round. Is
Rod Parker always tell that's right in Oakland? Don't forget.
I don't care what you say. I want to hear
that about Chips baby shortening. Yeah, so when Lebron doesn't
win it, remember that this year? All right, Yeah, I'm
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gonna remember me. Yeah, who you My point is, I
just like it. I think that they will fit nicely together.
It was a big win against a really good Boston team.
When you look at um, the Clippers, they'd beat Lebron
and them without having without Paul Paul George. And they
beat two teams right now that are eleven and two
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and uh and eleven and three, right, they have wins
over both of them. I'm talking about the Celtics and
the Lakers. The Clippers, Yes, I mean, okay, right, So
so you beat the two best teams or two of
the best three or four teams in the league to
start the season, right and they haven't even really been
playing together yet. I think it's gonna be only get
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better as time goes on. And I don't think that
they're shooting for some best record in the league. I
don't think that that's important. That that's just not important.
It's just not important playing once a week. It's just
it's just not important. Because Chris, we talked about it,
to get home court. You can lose one game at
home and you would give it up. That's how quickly
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you give it up and then you go I'm not
saying that, but it ain't. It ain't end all be
all as my point, right, So, uh, I think that
I like the two together. I think that they will
wind up when the season is all been done and decided,
that people will look at them and say, man, they
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really worked well together with what they have and they
were the best duo. Because that team is going to
be the team that wins the championship. And that's what's
gonna really dictate who's got the best duo, because I
really think it comes down to that, no matter what
you do during the regular season, the guys who played
well when it matters most, Chris, that's that's the dual.
People may not dictate the best due it may, but
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I think it may. It will dictate the best team.
That's what it will dictate, and we'll see what happens
with that. But speaking of that, Rob two things stuck
out to me from that game with regarding the Clippers.
I mean, I was impressed with Boston to Jason Tatum
was sick, sick, he put Paul George on his backside,
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Paul George, one of the best defenders in the league,
put him on skates and then drained the three late
in the game. But anyway, with the Clippers, these two things,
it was nasty. These two things stuck out to me.
One was the Clippers defense, because I said their offense
wasn't all that great. They shot the two Stars shot
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thirty combined. But the defense in overtime was smothering every shot,
every pass, every dribble for the Celtics was tough and
that and that's what they do. They will be that team,
uh that can play defense. And there's a lot of
guys who played defense on that right and the Lakers,
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to their credit, are playing the best defense in the league.
It's interesting because the difference rob The Clippers are great
on the perimeter defensively, you know, and the Lakers are right.
They've been blocking shots at the rim definitely, and they should.
They got three really big guys, and Dwight Howard's giving
them an added punch that that no one was really
sure about him, and Anthony Davis has been very active,
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and JaVale McGee they got They got three big guys
right there, and then Lebron's long Kuzma's long. The other
thing that stuck out to me about the Clippers. I
was bothered, disappointed yelling at the screen when at the
end of regulation out of a time out, and Doc
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Rivers is a great play caller. Instead of running a
play instead of having some action. Thirteen seconds left, game tied,
they give it to Kawhi Leonard at the top of
the floor and just he just goes eiso and he
dribbled out the clock and then went to the right
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wing and shot a twenty five foot three pointer that missed,
and they went overtime. Here's my problem with it. The
Clippers with Kawai, Paul George and Lou Williams, who could
be an All Star this year. Those three you have
three bona fide professional scores. And then as we saw
an overtime rob you got Patrick Beverly, a guy who
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can knock down spot up jumpers, and you got my
mate Mantres Harold, who can cut and slash to the
rim for passes and finish strong. And so you don't
need to run play hero ball at the end of
the game. Every once in a while, of course you're
gonna ice so one of your stars. But at the
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end of the game they should have run a play
with options and maybe Lou ends up taking the shot,
Maybe Harold gets the shot. Maybe you know, Beverly or
Paul Georgia or somebody gets the shot. Maybe Kawai still
gets it, but run some action. You have enough firepower
where you don't have to play that hero ball. But
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got him into the game, what they were down ten,
what got him into it was Lou Williams getting the ball,
move and find an open man. It was Lou and
he hit thirteen points in the fourth quarter, and what
won him the game was moving the ball, finding open
man and Patrick Beverley Nail's two threes in overtime. So
they've got to play play that way, and I think
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Doc Rivers understands that, but that just bothered me at
the end of the game. I get it, especially when
it's a tie game from the standpoint that you know,
if you hold on the ball, put up one shot,
you're going overtime. You're gonna win it overtime, no matter what.
So I agree in that situation, it's definitely a lot
easier than than make giving the ball to somebody who's
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not one of those big time playmakers, you know what
I mean at the end, So anybody could have been no, no, no,
I'm saying, would a score tied where you know, even
if somebody misses it, you're still are going to go
them overtime. That's that's what I mean. So I agree
from that standpoint. But part of it might be too
that they want Kawhi to be that guy and know
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that you know, at the end of the games he's
going to get a chance to make stuff happen, and
we obviously I've seen him make the big shots in
big moments. So I think there's a part of that
the respect he's our guy. When the game is on
the line, We're gonna let him create, let him try
to win the game for us. Build gut guy's confidence
at the end of the game, work on some moves
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you know what I want, want to try to do.
I'm just saying no, no, no, no. It didn't work
out this time. But but I see why they would
want your main guy to do it. See, I don't
like that, whether it's Kawhi or whoever. No, I know
what that hero ball is. Magic, Johnson told me once
you remember the junior skyhook, Yes, and believes with eighty
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seven finals, you know about nineteen eighty seven. Oh, come on, man,
come on, I'm a lot younger than you, not a
lot younger, but third grade when we look different. But anyway,
Magic was the third option on that play. Kareem in
the post was the first worthy. I think cutting across
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the lane was a second. That's what I You've got
really good players. It does always have to be the
star hitting the last shot. And this is not you know,
Jessica Clippers and Jessica Wire, but Michael Jordan. Two of
his championships who hit the big shot, Steve Kerr and
John Paxton. And in those huddles, he told those guys
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be ready. He said, be ready, now coming your way,
be ready. He knew what he was gonna do with
And you're not gonna like this. But this is why
the criticism of Lebron has been so off base sometimes
because it doesn't have to be the superstar taking the
freaking shot Robert Ory, Derek Fisher. But but Chris, I
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mentioned the Paxton and Kerr. I'm not. But the difference is,
and this is just when you make it, it's way
easier to live it, to live it down. But when
guys who you're giving to it, I'm gonna just give
you the one example. Lebron in that playoff game, Game
one against Golden State, he had fifty two. He was
on fifty one, Chris. He was unstoppable. It was by
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far his best game, right playoff game. It was a
great game. And Steph Curry's in front of you. He
can't guard you. Nobody could guard you that night. And
you give up the basketball to a guy who had
never been in that situation. It was a layout. He
wasn't a layup because he was under the real got
he got and then what happened, and then what happened?
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He missed the free throw okay, because he wasn't ready
to be in that spot, like eight percent in the finals,
not in the final GA eighty percent. And the same
thing with pay and the same thing with Cole Korn.
Put you your position to succeed. You're you're paid to
shoot the ball. No you're not. There's no difference if
John Packson misses a shot. I mean, Jordan wasn't even
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in that play. If John Packson miss not even in
question why he gave up the ball to no, because
one didn't give it to him. Jordan got the ball
in the backcourt, passed through the hands to Scottie Pippen,
and then we didn't hear anything else from Jordan, and
then he was the other one. Today you would get
ripped and the same thing on the Kyle Korver. When
you're up by two with the ball, Lebron James has
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uh Draymond Green and foul trouble in front of him.
You don't need a three. I don't care how open
he is, Chris, you don't need a three. You have
the ball, two point lead, get Draymond Green out of
the game. All he has to do is attack the basket.
Draymond has two options, Chris, step out of the way
because you don't want to get fouled out of the game, right,
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or foul Lebron and let him go make free throws.
That's all. If you remember how that game ended, they
got skunked. They got outscored eleven. Nothing to end that game.
After that play. You can take the shot, But when
you hit an open teammate, not when you're with the ball,
it's a bad play to me play. That's the only
thing I'm saying. Be sure to catch live editions of
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The Odd Couple with Chris Brussar then Rob Parker weekdays
at seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the iHeart Radio app. As we wait on,
Donovan McNabb, is he here? Yep? We got him, we
got Donovan. What's what's happening? Man? It's good to have
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you on. How are you? Oh, man, I'm doing an
upstanding daily duty. So that's that's great, that's the best
job of all. That's right. We want to You've probably
seen the news of the day that Myles Garrett accused
Mason Rudolph of calling him the N word. Look right,
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neither one of us, none of us know, and we
may never know what the truth is. Let me ask
you this, though, in all your years of playing football,
was it how often did you hear some racist comment,
if at all? You know, not black guys using the
N word like they do, but you know something that
you knew was racist. Did you ever encounter things like
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that on the football field? No, um, which is it's
rare for it to come out like this with everything
that's been going on at this particular point. He apologized
to rape Mason Rudolph, He apologized to the Cleveland Browns organization,
the Fist First Dealers organization. He acknowledges that's just not
the type of person that he had that he is,
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And to come out just because you're having a meeting
and say, Mason Rudolph made a racial slur to you.
That's shocking to me with everything going forward. And I
think also we got to look into a situation. I
know everyone's putting the finger Mason Rudolph, but what are
you gonna do when you let the bags or somebody
dumps you on your back and then tries to finish
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you on the ground. You get up there? How to
fight back? Yea like as a quarterback. I'm speaking for
Mason Rudolph because listen, I've had it happened to meet
in time, and I'll push you off me. Now he
tried to push Miles off of obviously he's stronger than him.
Try to pull him by his helmet. But then we
have to go into the transition of the play now
that Myles have to really reach through two offensive linemen
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to grab his helmet and rip his face mask off.
And not only that you hold onto the helm it
to do what to do? What you like? That's true.
I didn't think about that. Right, it right, it's done,
and the whole thing and and even my point today
is it just doesn't feel right because it's six seven
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days after the fact. That's the biggest problem. Like Chris said,
we don't know what we're said, but but it just
doesn't feel right because if that happened, I would have
wanted to hear about that right away at the press
comp after the game, right after man I flipped because
this guy called me the N word or whatever it was.
Right then, now you have people understanding, Okay, maybe that's
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kind of triggered something. Right before, a guy that doesn't
have a record of wrong doing, for a guy who's
not really known for having anger issues, for him to
do that, Okay, now what now we're trying to figure out.
Tell us a little bit more about Miles Garrett, because
that's just odd. You don't sit there and you know
the man has his hell off, so you hit him
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upside the top of the head with his helmets and
then what so now you're defenseless after the offensive, vermot
come after you because you realized you did something wrong.
That's why he didn't fight back. When policy was hitting
him and punching or decash and took him down. He
never fall back because he realized he just made a mistake. Donovan,
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let's get to the football. You were obviously you know
a quarterback who could run. I wouldn't call you a
say because you could throw, I wouldn't call you a
running quarterback, but you ran a lot in the quarterback running.
When you watch this today, Lamar Jackson of course being
the ultimate example, but even other guys Deshaun Watson and
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Kyler Murray, what are you thinking? Are you feeling like
a precursor, You feeling like man, I wish I was
playing now, or you know, what are you thinking when
you watch this today? Well, I mean I think for
all of us, not just the class of ninety nine,
for the years after it, but you have to think
about what Rando and Rodney Pede and h James Harris
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and Doug like they're they're the guys who kind of
paved the way for us to give us the opportunity
now myself and and Michael Vick, and the list goes on,
Aaron Brooks, the rest of us. You know, we were
the ones to kind of carry the torch to give
these guys opportunities. Now. They watched up on a collegiate
level and maybe pro level when they were younger. Some
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of them had our jerseys when when we were playing,
and it's opened the door for guys to have the opportunity,
not just on the pro level, but they're going to
Division one level where we're not trying to change black
quarterbacks to running backs and receivers now, because every university
wants one. They want that Lamar Jackson, they want that
Charlie Ward. They want that guy who's gonna change that
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university around to make it a BCS top five type
of university. And then when he goes pro now they
can publicize him and say that was our guy. It's
funny when people were talk about Lamark Jackson. Now we'ding
what week ten, week twelve or so, because he's all remarkable, okay,
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but in the beginning of these that he couldn't throw, right,
said he couldn't throw the ball. You go to the
San Diego playoff game where he couldn't complete fast. Oh
he can't throw. All of a sudden, now he's wollowing
you with great plays. It's about winning ball games at
the end of the day. Russell Wilson has been doing
this for years and no one want to give him credit.
When he signed his contract a couple of years ago,
they were saying he wasn't worthy of getting paid more
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than Aaron Rodgers. Now all of a sudden, he's an
m DV candidate this time outen see from Russell dude
when he was seventy five percent of the office without
a number world wide receiver and he still doesn't have
a Number one wide receiver. And so it's an amazing one.
I watched black quarterbacks on what they've been able to
do in this league. Teddy Bridgewater stepped there for Drew
Brees or everybody think nobody could do it and weren't undefeated.
But we don't want to talk about Teddy no more.
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We want to focus on Drew. And so that that
right there just excites me because now we get back
into the conversation of the quarterback position, and Donovan has
been you you can't last running as much as Lamar
runs and all that. Look at Cam, you know he's
still he's still young, but he's taking a ton of hits.
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Took a lot of hits. Is what you talk to
me about? That is that legitimate that if you do
run a lot as a quarterback, no matter how shifty
and all that, it's kid can catch up with you. Well,
I mean, you know, anything you do where it comes
a lot of movement in contact, your body takes a hit.
And so for Lamar Jackson, what they're gonna, hopefully what
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they think they're gonna do, is they're gonna try to
develop them into a past first quarterback with the opportunity
and the ability to run, as long as they don't
try to switch it. And Lamar comes out publicly like
RG three did when he was in Washington, talk about
I'm a pocket pastor. I want to be known as
a pocket pack. No, you need to be known as
a winning quarterback and learn how to play the game
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from the pocket. You have to be blessed with the
ability to run and utilize your legs win meat fat.
See what I did was I tried to spend film
them watching film or guys who played from the pockets,
the pocket movement. You know, how to buy a little
time for receivers to get open. You know, if you
played with guys who couldn't get off press or whatever
it may be. That's how I learned the game when
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I knew I had the ability to run, and I
think Cam was learning that as well, but he relied
too much back on his legs. So when you look
at guys nowadays, you look at Russell Russell the league.
Russell could run in Wisconsin, he ran in NC State
when he was there. But he knew how to play
from the pocket because he studied that part of the
game to make that more of who he was and
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who he was gonna be known that speaking of another
black quarterback, oh with him? Excuse me, speaking of an
old quarterback in Tom Brady. What are you seeing now?
What's going on with Tom? He struggled the last seven
games Donovan seven touchdowns, five interceptions, and it just has
it doesn't looked good. It doesn't looked pretty well. It
hasn't looked pretty because the offensive line is in shambles.
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I mean, he's had some injuries up front. I mean
get getting one of their top draft picks back, which
is which would be good for him. Come when you
get older, Tom wasn't known for running. Now, when Tom
ran out sometimes it looked like a turtle cross in
the street. But you know what he knew when he
had to get out of there to pick up as
much hard as he could. But what you'll see from
New England going further, you'll start to see him run
the football a little bit more. You'll start to see
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the quick games. So now he's got to get the
ball out faster. Which now, defensive line, you got to
shoot off the ball. If you don't, then that ball's
coming out. Julia Ellman will be big, you know. Then
they'll start to bring in Henry you know, one of
their draftis from rors on the State. He'll start to
be big, and then you want to see a little
bit more of Ben Watson. So I just think for
the New England Patriots, yeah, we kind of get tired
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of seeing them win so much. But you gotta give
him a little christ They only got one loss, and
it's the way they play games is to try to win,
not to blow you out, because they don't have the
challenge that they used to Donovan great stuff. Man, we
appreciate it. Hey, you know what you had me anytime.
And hey, man, make sure you're un up basketball. Look
so look out for Luca. Thought it could be in
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the top two an MVP. Man. I don't want to
get on Lebron for trying to average a triple double
when you can see November we have you on the
Talk Basketball next time. Hey, you know I'm here. I'm
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brusso and Rod Harker. Myles Garrett, of course,
suspended for the rest of the season, suspended indefinitely. Actually, well,
you shocked by that that he lost his appearent really
because I do think it should just be the rest
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of the year. And I get it. You want to
meet with him, and you know, see it. He's in
the right place mentally, But I think the rest of
the year is sufficient, and I hope that's what it
ends up being. But anyway, he had his appeals today
the suspension was upheld. But the big news coming out
of it is that he accused Mason Rudolph, to Steelers
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quarterback who he got into it with and hit with
the helmet, of using a racial slur while they were
tussling on the ground. Just those two before Marquis Pouncy
and others got involved, and he says that's kind of
what triggered him to do what he did. Now, let's
both I'm sure we're both on the same page with this.
Even if Rudolph did call him the N word, let's sake,
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that's I'm sure if it was said, that's what it was.
It doesn't justify you hitting him with a helmet because
you could have killed the dude. However, it would change
some things, and mainly in that it would likely lead
to a suspension for Rudolph if indeed he said it. However,
the NFL's come out and said they have found no
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evidence that Rudolph uttered such a thing. Mason Rudolph and
his representatives have also come out and strongly denied it.
So basically, Rob what we have is that he said
he said type of thing, And I'm not going to
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accuse Mason Rudolph of saying that, and I'm also not
going to accuse Miles Garrett of making it up. Both
instances would be very bad. If Rudolph indeed said that
that quickly like you, he tackled you late, you on
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the ground, tussling and you and you got black teammates
around you, you know, not right there, but on the
field with you, and you went there, then that just
says a lot about you because you probably use the
word all the time. If you went there that quickly.
And on the other hand, if Garrett is lying, then
that's that's just way out of line and that Okay,
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he just put his go ahead, robed you. You want
to read it. Yeah, he just tweeted this out as
he were talking. Chris he says, quote, I was assured
that the hearing was a space that afforded the opportunity
to speak openly and honestly about the incident that led
to my suspension. This was not meant for public dissemination,
nor was it a convenient attempt to justify my actions
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or restore my image in the eyes of those I disappointed.
I know what I heard. Whether my opponent's comment was
born out of frustration or ignorance, I cannot say. But
his actions do not excuse my lack of restraint the moment,
and I truly regret the impact this has had on
the league, the Browns and are devoted fans. Wow, so
he doubles down. I mean, look, both sides strongly sticking
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to their argument. And uh, if he's lying about, this
is sad because this just diminishes real acts of racism
that we encounter as African Americas or or any minority group.
But you know, I'm not gonna say he's definitely lying about.
Nobody knows who if he's lying or not, other than
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the two men who were involved. I mean, let's let's first,
that's my first state. The truth may okay, but my
but my my problem is Chris playing and simple it
just doesn't feel good or feel right, and just that
it's the first time it's coming out. If this really
was it not at any point, if he could have
brought to me a teammate that he confided in somebody
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right at that point of the situation, I would have more.
I would feel better that there's something there, rather than conveniently,
when you're at an appeal trying to save your butt
from a couple of games so that you can save
some money, and and and then again for him to
even say, well, this wasn't for public consumption. If it's true,
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it doesn't matter if he got out. If it's just
true Chris, it doesn't matter. Seriously, stuff is said in
the courtroom all the time, and I notice is a
court but it's appeals, right, So that so that shouldn't
even the fact that he even has to say that, Well,
I was supposed to talk open and honestly, no, if
it's true, it's true, or do you not believe him?
I just I can because I would I would believe
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if that made me so I rate And they asked
me after the game, why did you snap? What happened?
I just can't believe. I wouldn't have said I've never
done anything like this, this guy said, X, Y and Z,
and I snapped, and you know what, Chris to share
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what But behind the curtains of our show, there's only
I don't snap. There's a time that I snapped on
this show and me and you were doing a show
and you triggered me, and you know it. But it
was right there, and I just I would want it
to be in his case had he just come out
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or said something to somebody at that point in time
to do it in an appeals thing later on. And
I hope it's true that I'm gonna tell you this.
I hope it's true, because if it's not true, to
do that to Mason Rudolf and put that in the
atmosphere when it's not to me is just as bad
as it gets. You just said it, Chris. He's on
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a football team with seventy five percent of his teammates
being black, and if he didn't see you paint somebody
in a light like that, And if it ain't true,
it's a bad thing. If it is, I hope it's
true because then because then I won't be a bad
about it's true, then you're dealing what type of person
you're dealing? Well, what I'm just I'm just saying because
I would hate to have somebody paint me a certain
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way and it ain't true. You can't take it back.
Once it's out there here, people are gonna look at
him a certain way if it. No matter what, Chris,
no matter what, your point is valid, there's no question
about it. However, your personality may be different from him,
and he may have been thinking and leg in that's
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a good point. Why not come out right at that
moment and say, look or two doesn't justify what I did.
But dude called me the N word, right and I
snug out. Now, that's that's one way of handling. Another way, however,
is that by the time Miles Garrett spoke, he had
already been told by the team, you know, people working
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for the team and everybody, how big and serious this
thing was. You know, you know now like after right
after it happens, he probably isn't even absorbing how big
of a deal this is. By the time he spoke,
he's been told about how long you might be suspended.
This thing is serious. They're killing you all over the place,
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all these everybody's killing you left the right. So he
may have felt like, let me not come out and
say something what I did was wrong. Let me just
own it and not come out with something that looks
like an excuse. And he did say he said something,
and will something Tod rob g what was it that
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he said something to the effect of he said something
was said, So he said that immediately after the game.
But it's possible he was just like, I don't want
to say anything that makes it look like I'm excusing
what I did, but I'll get to it later. And
to be honest, if that's you're thinking, then the appeals
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meeting is actually the way the place to do it.
And he did to his point in the his tweet
just now, if he didn't want to go public with it,
then that could explain why he held out until he
had the appeals court meet. I totally look at it
totally different. This is all going to alter your career,
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alter how people view you. And whether he said the
inn word or not, it's gonna No, it is. But
I'm just saying at that very moment, you know, because Chris,
everything I heard from people like, oh, he tried to
kick him in the nuts. Oh he tried. I mean
it was like I heard like three or four excuses
before that. You can say that, you can say that, yeah,
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three or four excuses that you know what I mean.
Didn't we hear that in his package whatever you want
to call it, But but we heard that as an excuse. Oh,
I would have done that too. And then he said
he tried to pull his helmet off. Oh other people. No, No,
I'm just saying. I'm just saying, but those were all
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the lined up excuses on why he snapped. Nobody used that.
And my other thing is, at least to protect yourself
if that was the case, if you were my best
friend on the team and you came to me and
an a quiet moment, I would have said, Chris, I snapped,
he said, x Y, I'll take it further. That would
have helped you. If I go to that would have
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helped you. I'll take it further. It doesn't have to
be a quiet moment, keeping it real, you and me,
your boys to happen like yeah, I'm I'm gonna be
like yo, dude said, dude, call me to But that's
what I'm saying. He if it is very You're very
right in saying he probably he would have told somebody somebody,
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and maybe he did for all we know. We don't know.
But that's the guy you gotta wring to the appeal.
You gotta bring that guy to the appeal. But it doesn't.
It just shows up the at the moment of the situation.
That's always take I don't. You don't need to bring
them to the appeal because they don't. They don't offer
any proof. No, it's not about proof that. It's just
like in situations where where oftentime, where women are involved
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in situations and they either have a tech I'm just
hearing me out, have a text to their girlfriend or
just something that shows But I'm just saying but at
that moment that something had happened to them, that they
were concerned about it on a grander scale, do you
know what I'm saying? Or they used to think what
they called them? They they'll say, well, I called my
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best friend and I talked to her about it. I
didn't know which way to go. I didn't know if
I should go to the police. I didn't know if
I should say nothing. Do you know what I'm just telling?
I don't. There's nothing here. Just feels convenient. You bring
in a teammate in the appeals hearing to say, yeah,
he told me that he or statement wore you know statement.
I'm just that looks like you're trying to use that
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as an excuse, and I don't if it's I don't
think he's trying to use it as an excuse. I
think he's telling the whole situation what happened. Oh, I
just I think I think it's more about trying to
uh garner sympathy. I just feel like the timing is
bad for me. I don't feel good about it. He
could be one hundred percent right. I hope he's right,
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because I just hope that no one would make up
such a thing and put a guy's reputation out there
that suck at that point, that can't like he doubled down.
He has no choice. Where does Mason. You can't come
out and be like, you know what, I'm mistaken. I
didn't hear what I thought I heard or something. It's you,
it's out there now. Both of them probably got their
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guns unless we get some you know, the NFL taped
it or you know they're they have taping all this.
But didn't we Jack, We just saw this. Didn't Richard
Sherman say that there wasn't a handshake that he was
he was Bush league? Yeah, but that doesn't mean that
Baker may nod Sherman did no. But I'm smiles, Garrett,
not two different people. My point is everybody had made
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my open didn't didn't they attack Baker may feel it?
And then the video came out and then Richard Sherman's
I had to apologize. That's all I'm saying. Chris, I
get it. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Odd Couple with Chris Broussard then Rob Parker week days
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Radio and The iHeartRadio, I let us talk. Last night
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was a big night in the NBA. It was the
first night that Paul George and Kawhi Leonard played together.
This is the duo that some believe is the best
tandem in an NBA full of outstanding tandems. Right now.
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You got Russell Westbrook and James Harden in Houston. You
got Anthony Davis and Lebron James with the Lakers. You've
got Kevin Durand who's injured of course, and Kyrie Irving
in Brooklyn. We could go on and on. There's a
few more, and George and Kawhi are right there with
the best of them. I personally think Lebron and Anthony
Davis are the best, but Rob and others think that
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George and Kawhi are the best. And it was a
bit sloppy. Both of them have five turnovers a piece combined.
They shot thirty nine percent from the floor. But here's
what I say for their first game ever together. To
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go out and beat a very good, a very good
Boston Celtics team, a team that was eleven and one
or eleven and two, I'm sorry to go out and
beat an excellent Boston Celtics team. In your first ever
game together, that is impressive. And when they get some
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time together develop more of their chemistry, they are going
to be, in my opinion, as good as advertised. Now,
I still pick the Lakers to win the championship. I
feel good about it, but the Clippers are gonna be
right there. And I think these two LA teams are
on a crash course to meet in the Western Conference finals.
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Of course they could meet before that, depending on the seating,
but they're the two teams in basketball in my view.
And uh, I think the future of this year is bright,
assuming Kauai can stay healthy, because that's a concern of mine.
A little bit. His last in November, rob he's that's
five games he's played. He's out. He's shooting thirty five
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percent from the floor, only twenty two percent from three,
and two of his last three games have been a
bit subpar. Last night seventeen points. I mentioned the five turnovers,
uh and then a couple of games ago when they
played Toronto, his former team, he only had twelve uh.
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So he hasn't been the Kauai that we're used to.
I hope it's maybe just rushed from the low management. Uh.
You know, I hope it's not anything degenerative bothering him
with the n but he does. He hasn't looked himself
in the last few games. But you know, we'll see
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how that turns out. But yeah, I like what I
see so far, even though they got work to do.
I think they're a perfect match. I think they're gonna
really fit in well with this group. And you know
the team we saw Patrick Beverley hit the Big three.
You know, they got other players. Lou Williams had twenty seven.
It ain't just about them. They had a nice little
nucleus and they got guys who can play. This ain't
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like they come in there to totally saved them. They
won forty eight what was it, forty eight or fifty
two games against the Warriors in the first round. Is
Rod Parker always tell that's right in Oakland? Don't forget.
I don't care what you say. I want to hear
that about Chips baby shortening. Yeah, so when Lebron doesn't
win it, remember that this year? All right, Yeah, I'm
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gonna remember me. Yeah, who you My point is, I
just like it. I think that they will fit nicely together.
It was a big win against a really good Boston team.
When you look at um, the Clippers, they'd beat Lebron
and them without having without Paul Paul George. And they
beat two teams right now that are eleven and two
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and uh and eleven and three, right, they have wins
over both of them. I'm talking about the Celtics and
the Lakers. The Clippers, Yes, I mean, okay, right, So
so you beat the two best teams or two of
the best three or four teams in the league to
start the season, right and they haven't even really been
playing together yet. I think it's gonna be only get
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better as time goes on. And I don't think that
they're shooting for some best record in the league. I
don't think that that's important. That that's just not important.
It's just not important playing once a week. It's just
it's just not important. Because Chris, we talked about it,
to get home court. You can lose one game at
home and you would give it up. That's how quickly
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you give it up and then you go I'm not
saying that, but it ain't. It ain't end all be
all as my point, right, So, uh, I think that
I like the two together. I think that they will
wind up when the season is all been done and decided,
that people will look at them and say, man, they
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really worked well together with what they have and they
were the best duo. Because that team is going to
be the team that wins the championship. And that's what's
gonna really dictate who's got the best duo, because I
really think it comes down to that, no matter what
you do during the regular season, the guys who played
well when it matters most, Chris, that's that's the dual.
People may not dictate the best due it may, but
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I think it may. It will dictate the best team.
That's what it will dictate, and we'll see what happens
with that. But speaking of that, Rob two things stuck
out to me from that game with regarding the Clippers.
I mean, I was impressed with Boston to Jason Tatum
was sick, sick, he put Paul George on his backside,
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Paul George, one of the best defenders in the league,
put him on skates and then drained the three late
in the game. But anyway, with the Clippers, these two things,
it was nasty. These two things stuck out to me.
One was the Clippers defense, because I said their offense
wasn't all that great. They shot the two Stars shot
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thirty combined. But the defense in overtime was smothering every shot,
every pass, every dribble for the Celtics was tough and
that and that's what they do. They will be that team,
uh that can play defense. And there's a lot of
guys who played defense on that right and the Lakers,
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to their credit, are playing the best defense in the league.
It's interesting because the difference rob The Clippers are great
on the perimeter defensively, you know, and the Lakers are right.
They've been blocking shots at the rim definitely, and they should.
They got three really big guys, and Dwight Howard's giving
them an added punch that that no one was really
sure about him, and Anthony Davis has been very active,
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and JaVale McGee they got They got three big guys
right there, and then Lebron's long Kuzma's long. The other
thing that stuck out to me about the Clippers. I
was bothered, disappointed yelling at the screen when at the
end of regulation out of a time out, and Doc
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Rivers is a great play caller. Instead of running a
play instead of having some action. Thirteen seconds left, game tied,
they give it to Kawhi Leonard at the top of
the floor and just he just goes eiso and he
dribbled out the clock and then went to the right
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wing and shot a twenty five foot three pointer that missed,
and they went overtime. Here's my problem with it. The
Clippers with Kawai, Paul George and Lou Williams, who could
be an All Star this year. Those three you have
three bona fide professional scores. And then as we saw
an overtime rob you got Patrick Beverly, a guy who
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can knock down spot up jumpers, and you got my
mate Mantres Harold, who can cut and slash to the
rim for passes and finish strong. And so you don't
need to run play hero ball at the end of
the game. Every once in a while, of course you're
gonna ice so one of your stars. But at the
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end of the game they should have run a play
with options and maybe Lou ends up taking the shot,
Maybe Harold gets the shot. Maybe you know, Beverly or
Paul Georgia or somebody gets the shot. Maybe Kawai still
gets it, but run some action. You have enough firepower
where you don't have to play that hero ball. But
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got him into the game, what they were down ten,
what got him into it was Lou Williams getting the ball,
move and find an open man. It was Lou and
he hit thirteen points in the fourth quarter, and what
won him the game was moving the ball, finding open
man and Patrick Beverley Nail's two threes in overtime. So
they've got to play play that way, and I think
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Doc Rivers understands that, but that just bothered me at
the end of the game. I get it, especially when
it's a tie game from the standpoint that you know,
if you hold on the ball, put up one shot,
you're going overtime. You're gonna win it overtime, no matter what.
So I agree in that situation, it's definitely a lot
easier than than make giving the ball to somebody who's
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not one of those big time playmakers, you know what
I mean at the end, So anybody could have been no, no, no,
I'm saying, would a score tied where you know, even
if somebody misses it, you're still are going to go
them overtime. That's that's what I mean. So I agree
from that standpoint. But part of it might be too
that they want Kawhi to be that guy and know
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that you know, at the end of the games he's
going to get a chance to make stuff happen, and
we obviously I've seen him make the big shots in
big moments. So I think there's a part of that
the respect he's our guy. When the game is on
the line, We're gonna let him create, let him try
to win the game for us. Build gut guy's confidence
at the end of the game, work on some moves
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you know what I want, want to try to do.
I'm just saying no, no, no, no. It didn't work
out this time. But but I see why they would
want your main guy to do it. See, I don't
like that, whether it's Kawhi or whoever. No, I know
what that hero ball is. Magic, Johnson told me once
you remember the junior skyhook, Yes, and believes with eighty
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seven finals, you know about nineteen eighty seven. Oh, come on, man,
come on, I'm a lot younger than you, not a
lot younger, but third grade when we look different. But anyway,
Magic was the third option on that play. Kareem in
the post was the first worthy. I think cutting across
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the lane was a second. That's what I You've got
really good players. It does always have to be the
star hitting the last shot. And this is not you know,
Jessica Clippers and Jessica Wire, but Michael Jordan. Two of
his championships who hit the big shot, Steve Kerr and
John Paxton. And in those huddles, he told those guys
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be ready. He said, be ready, now coming your way,
be ready. He knew what he was gonna do with
And you're not gonna like this. But this is why
the criticism of Lebron has been so off base sometimes
because it doesn't have to be the superstar taking the
freaking shot Robert Ory, Derek Fisher. But but Chris, I
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mentioned the Paxton and Kerr. I'm not. But the difference is,
and this is just when you make it, it's way
easier to live it, to live it down. But when
guys who you're giving to it, I'm gonna just give
you the one example. Lebron in that playoff game, Game
one against Golden State, he had fifty two. He was
on fifty one, Chris. He was unstoppable. It was by
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far his best game, right playoff game. It was a
great game. And Steph Curry's in front of you. He
can't guard you. Nobody could guard you that night. And
you give up the basketball to a guy who had
never been in that situation. It was a layout. He
wasn't a layup because he was under the real got
he got and then what happened, and then what happened?
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He missed the free throw okay, because he wasn't ready
to be in that spot, like eight percent in the finals,
not in the final GA eighty percent. And the same
thing with pay and the same thing with Cole Korn.
Put you your position to succeed. You're you're paid to
shoot the ball. No you're not. There's no difference if
John Packson misses a shot. I mean, Jordan wasn't even
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in that play. If John Packson miss not even in
question why he gave up the ball to no, because
one didn't give it to him. Jordan got the ball
in the backcourt, passed through the hands to Scottie Pippen,
and then we didn't hear anything else from Jordan, and
then he was the other one. Today you would get
ripped and the same thing on the Kyle Korver. When
you're up by two with the ball, Lebron James has
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uh Draymond Green and foul trouble in front of him.
You don't need a three. I don't care how open
he is, Chris, you don't need a three. You have
the ball, two point lead, get Draymond Green out of
the game. All he has to do is attack the basket.
Draymond has two options, Chris, step out of the way
because you don't want to get fouled out of the game, right,
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or foul Lebron and let him go make free throws.
That's all. If you remember how that game ended, they
got skunked. They got outscored eleven. Nothing to end that game.
After that play. You can take the shot, But when
you hit an open teammate, not when you're with the ball,
it's a bad play to me play. That's the only
thing I'm saying. Be sure to catch live editions of
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The Odd Couple with Chris Brussar then Rob Parker weekdays
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Radio and the iHeart Radio app. As we wait on,
Donovan McNabb, is he here? Yep? We got him, we
got Donovan. What's what's happening? Man? It's good to have
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you on. How are you? Oh, man, I'm doing an
upstanding daily duty. So that's that's great, that's the best
job of all. That's right. We want to You've probably
seen the news of the day that Myles Garrett accused
Mason Rudolph of calling him the N word. Look right,
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neither one of us, none of us know, and we
may never know what the truth is. Let me ask
you this, though, in all your years of playing football,
was it how often did you hear some racist comment,
if at all? You know, not black guys using the
N word like they do, but you know something that
you knew was racist. Did you ever encounter things like
(27:52):
that on the football field? No, um, which is it's
rare for it to come out like this with everything
that's been going on at this particular point. He apologized
to rape Mason Rudolph, He apologized to the Cleveland Browns organization,
the Fist First Dealers organization. He acknowledges that's just not
the type of person that he had that he is,
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And to come out just because you're having a meeting
and say, Mason Rudolph made a racial slur to you.
That's shocking to me with everything going forward. And I
think also we got to look into a situation. I
know everyone's putting the finger Mason Rudolph, but what are
you gonna do when you let the bags or somebody
dumps you on your back and then tries to finish
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you on the ground. You get up there? How to
fight back? Yea like as a quarterback. I'm speaking for
Mason Rudolph because listen, I've had it happened to meet
in time, and I'll push you off me. Now he
tried to push Miles off of obviously he's stronger than him.
Try to pull him by his helmet. But then we
have to go into the transition of the play now
that Myles have to really reach through two offensive linemen
(28:54):
to grab his helmet and rip his face mask off.
And not only that you hold onto the helm it
to do what to do? What you like? That's true.
I didn't think about that. Right, it right, it's done,
and the whole thing and and even my point today
is it just doesn't feel right because it's six seven
(29:16):
days after the fact. That's the biggest problem. Like Chris said,
we don't know what we're said, but but it just
doesn't feel right because if that happened, I would have
wanted to hear about that right away at the press
comp after the game, right after man I flipped because
this guy called me the N word or whatever it was.
Right then, now you have people understanding, Okay, maybe that's
(29:40):
kind of triggered something. Right before, a guy that doesn't
have a record of wrong doing, for a guy who's
not really known for having anger issues, for him to
do that, Okay, now what now we're trying to figure out.
Tell us a little bit more about Miles Garrett, because
that's just odd. You don't sit there and you know
the man has his hell off, so you hit him
(30:01):
upside the top of the head with his helmets and
then what so now you're defenseless after the offensive, vermot
come after you because you realized you did something wrong.
That's why he didn't fight back. When policy was hitting
him and punching or decash and took him down. He
never fall back because he realized he just made a mistake. Donovan,
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let's get to the football. You were obviously you know
a quarterback who could run. I wouldn't call you a
say because you could throw, I wouldn't call you a
running quarterback, but you ran a lot in the quarterback running.
When you watch this today, Lamar Jackson of course being
the ultimate example, but even other guys Deshaun Watson and
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Kyler Murray, what are you thinking? Are you feeling like
a precursor, You feeling like man, I wish I was
playing now, or you know, what are you thinking when
you watch this today? Well, I mean I think for
all of us, not just the class of ninety nine,
for the years after it, but you have to think
about what Rando and Rodney Pede and h James Harris
(31:04):
and Doug like they're they're the guys who kind of
paved the way for us to give us the opportunity
now myself and and Michael Vick, and the list goes on,
Aaron Brooks, the rest of us. You know, we were
the ones to kind of carry the torch to give
these guys opportunities. Now. They watched up on a collegiate
level and maybe pro level when they were younger. Some
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of them had our jerseys when when we were playing,
and it's opened the door for guys to have the opportunity,
not just on the pro level, but they're going to
Division one level where we're not trying to change black
quarterbacks to running backs and receivers now, because every university
wants one. They want that Lamar Jackson, they want that
Charlie Ward. They want that guy who's gonna change that
(31:47):
university around to make it a BCS top five type
of university. And then when he goes pro now they
can publicize him and say that was our guy. It's
funny when people were talk about Lamark Jackson. Now we'ding
what week ten, week twelve or so, because he's all remarkable, okay,
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but in the beginning of these that he couldn't throw, right,
said he couldn't throw the ball. You go to the
San Diego playoff game where he couldn't complete fast. Oh
he can't throw. All of a sudden, now he's wollowing
you with great plays. It's about winning ball games at
the end of the day. Russell Wilson has been doing
this for years and no one want to give him credit.
When he signed his contract a couple of years ago,
they were saying he wasn't worthy of getting paid more
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than Aaron Rodgers. Now all of a sudden, he's an
m DV candidate this time outen see from Russell dude
when he was seventy five percent of the office without
a number world wide receiver and he still doesn't have
a Number one wide receiver. And so it's an amazing one.
I watched black quarterbacks on what they've been able to
do in this league. Teddy Bridgewater stepped there for Drew
Brees or everybody think nobody could do it and weren't undefeated.
But we don't want to talk about Teddy no more.
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We want to focus on Drew. And so that that
right there just excites me because now we get back
into the conversation of the quarterback position, and Donovan has
been you you can't last running as much as Lamar
runs and all that. Look at Cam, you know he's
still he's still young, but he's taking a ton of hits.
(33:12):
Took a lot of hits. Is what you talk to
me about? That is that legitimate that if you do
run a lot as a quarterback, no matter how shifty
and all that, it's kid can catch up with you. Well,
I mean, you know, anything you do where it comes
a lot of movement in contact, your body takes a hit.
And so for Lamar Jackson, what they're gonna, hopefully what
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they think they're gonna do, is they're gonna try to
develop them into a past first quarterback with the opportunity
and the ability to run, as long as they don't
try to switch it. And Lamar comes out publicly like
RG three did when he was in Washington, talk about
I'm a pocket pastor. I want to be known as
a pocket pack. No, you need to be known as
a winning quarterback and learn how to play the game
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from the pocket. You have to be blessed with the
ability to run and utilize your legs win meat fat.
See what I did was I tried to spend film
them watching film or guys who played from the pockets,
the pocket movement. You know, how to buy a little
time for receivers to get open. You know, if you
played with guys who couldn't get off press or whatever
it may be. That's how I learned the game when
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I knew I had the ability to run, and I
think Cam was learning that as well, but he relied
too much back on his legs. So when you look
at guys nowadays, you look at Russell Russell the league.
Russell could run in Wisconsin, he ran in NC State
when he was there. But he knew how to play
from the pocket because he studied that part of the
game to make that more of who he was and
(34:35):
who he was gonna be known that speaking of another
black quarterback, oh with him? Excuse me, speaking of an
old quarterback in Tom Brady. What are you seeing now?
What's going on with Tom? He struggled the last seven
games Donovan seven touchdowns, five interceptions, and it just has
it doesn't looked good. It doesn't looked pretty well. It
hasn't looked pretty because the offensive line is in shambles.
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I mean, he's had some injuries up front. I mean
get getting one of their top draft picks back, which
is which would be good for him. Come when you
get older, Tom wasn't known for running. Now, when Tom
ran out sometimes it looked like a turtle cross in
the street. But you know what he knew when he
had to get out of there to pick up as
much hard as he could. But what you'll see from
New England going further, you'll start to see him run
the football a little bit more. You'll start to see
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the quick games. So now he's got to get the
ball out faster. Which now, defensive line, you got to
shoot off the ball. If you don't, then that ball's
coming out. Julia Ellman will be big, you know. Then
they'll start to bring in Henry you know, one of
their draftis from rors on the State. He'll start to
be big, and then you want to see a little
bit more of Ben Watson. So I just think for
the New England Patriots, yeah, we kind of get tired
(35:40):
of seeing them win so much. But you gotta give
him a little christ They only got one loss, and
it's the way they play games is to try to win,
not to blow you out, because they don't have the
challenge that they used to Donovan great stuff. Man, we
appreciate it. Hey, you know what you had me anytime.
And hey, man, make sure you're un up basketball. Look
so look out for Luca. Thought it could be in
(36:00):
the top two an MVP. Man. I don't want to
get on Lebron for trying to average a triple double
when you can see November we have you on the
Talk Basketball next time. Hey, you know I'm here. I'm
getting all right, brother Peace
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