August 2, 2024 • 38 mins
Former NFL quarterback Shaun King is in for Rob, and he and Chris discuss the ongoing controversy regarding Algerian boxer Imane Khelif, what – if anything – the IOC can do to level the playing field for athletes who have genetic advantages and whether or not genetic males should be allowed to compete against genetic females. Finally, the guys explain why this is a make-or-break season for New York Giants quarterback Daniel Jones.
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The Super Bowl champion, who, like Sean, thought it odd
that uh Caleb Williams was you know, already directing the
veterans in cleaning up the locker room instead of just
cleaning up himself as a rookie. So we're getting into
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that with Amani and Sean of course, and speaking of Sean,
what's up, brother, how you doing?
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What's good? Man? I gotta start the show off with
an apology. I've gotten a lot of texts over the
last two evenings from a lot of brothers in the
Bond that are asking me to go a little easier
on you. They say, say, I've been kicking a butt
the last two days.
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So predicted, you know, he hasn't got one text.
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That'd be Friday. Have you Friday? To you? My man?
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The super producer Rob.
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Mary is in for DJ Alex Tyser on The Ones
and Twos and Uh, we're gonna get this thing started
hot because there has been controversy in the Olympics and
rob G coming it with boxing and what turns out
to be two female boxers, but there was a lot
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of misunderstanding and misidentifying and all of that. So robb
G kind of bring us up to speed on this situation.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Well, actually, full disclosure, America. We were going to do.
Speaker 9 (03:24):
This story yesterday when it had first kind of started percolating,
and when Chris Bussard and I talked about it before
the show and we decided or discovered that the woman
in question, the Algerian boxer by the name of I'm
sorry the email's going really slow right now, but anyways,
it turns out she was a female and said, well,
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what's the story, so we ultimately decided not to Well
that didn't stop a lot of other people from commenting
on it, because in the last twenty four hours or so,
it all.
Speaker 10 (03:56):
Started with Algeria is it at Monte Khalif in on Khalif,
the e Asyl, Algeria's amon Khalif was boxing Italian boxer
Angela Karini and in forty six seconds Karini retires in
the middle of the fight, she says she couldn't breathe.
Speaker 9 (04:12):
She's never been hit that hard before. That's why I
decided to come out. However, during the scrum, members of
the Italian Boxing Federation who were standing around her started
to expound and tile media members this was a dangerous fight.
She never should have been out there. She is a
man talking about Khalif and this all stems from a
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ruling handed down by the IBA in the World Championships
where Khalif was determined to have an x Y chromosome,
which generally would be assumed to be a male, and
it's why she was removed from that event. However, the
IOC and other governing bodies who she has fought for
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for years and years and years now determined that even
though she does have a Y chromosome, even though she
does have elevated levels of test thoughts from relative to
most women, that is completely normal and is actually part
of more of a genetic disorder than her actually being
a man. So by all accounts, she has female genitalia.
She's identified as a woman her entire life. She is
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a female boxer, and obviously this became a big talking
point in the last twenty four hours, people coming up
in arms saying there is no way that it magified
a woman. And this morning the Italian boxer who started
this whole thing, Karini, who retired after forty six seconds,
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spoke to the BBC and an Italian newspaper. She said
that she would apologize to Khalif for this whole ordeal,
saying the controversy quote makes me sad. I'm sorry for
my opponent. If the IOC says she can fight, I
respect that decision. And she added that if she were
to see Khalif again, she would brace her for this
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whole misunderstanding.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Rob g quickly and thank you for that that great summary.
Are there any biological men that are fighting women in
these Olympics?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Not that we can confirm.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
No, Okay, Sean, It was simple to me initially, like
a lot of people. I mean, I hadn't tweeted or
commented on it. But when I thought initially that this
was a man or I guess people some people would
say a transgender woman fighting against the woman. I thought
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it was ridiculous. I'm not my heads hasn't been under
the sand. I mean, I know that this is starting
to happen. But I'm against it. Biological men should not
be competing in sports against women. And what's gonna happen
if they continue to do this is some women's gonna
get really hurt. It is what it is. I mean,
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we don't like men hitting women, and rightly so. But
while we gonna put them in a boxing ring to
fight against each other. I have two daughters that play
field hockey. I would not want them competing against boys,
and so I'm against that. But in this case it
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does seem I mean, she Khalifh is a woman. Now
she has a chromosonal difference I guess that obviously than
the majority of the human population, but genitalia, everything else,
she seems to be and identifies, not only identifies, but
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lives as a woman and has the genitalia and so
on and so forth. So I just think, and also
she has lost many fights to women. It's not like,
you know she is because of her elevated tustosterone, that
she's just out there smash and so I think she
should be allowed to fight, you know, the fighter that quit.
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I mean, you know, I don't know what type of
competition she faced before.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
I would imagine it's good if she's an Olympian, but she.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Just got beat by a better fighter, it seems, and
didn't maybe even in I don't know what, if anything,
she had thoughts with going into the fight, Sean, but
knowing that Khalif has lost many times to women, that
guy have a hard time believing she's hitting just way
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harder than any other woman. And I wonder this is
pure speculation on my part. I wonder if the fighter
that quit, the Italian fighter, if she had heard because
I've rob g you said, the Italian administrators are the
ones that kind of started were saying it's a man.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (08:56):
According to all the reports BBC, Yahoo, they were saying
this even before the fight started, that she should not
be participating, she's been banned from the ib IBA and
that that is a man. So when she their fighter
got touched up really bad in those forty seconds, I
was gonna say, hey, had that excuse ready to go?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:15):
And I bet I mean that probably put some thought
in the fighter's mind like I'm fighting a man, and
so I'm sure that messed her up mentally, and maybe
when she got clocked a few times, she just you know,
it took it to a whole another level in her mind,
and that's why I.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Think she apologized, because if she just quit.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Like if she went into that fight thinks she's fighting
a woman and the hits were so hard that she
just quit, you don't need to apologize. Roberto Duran didn't
apologize as Sugar eight.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Leonard would he quit?
Speaker 6 (09:47):
I mean you you you really hurt yourself, not the
other fighter, and so I think that probably may have
played a role, at least mentally in the Italian fighter's
mind as well.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Shawn, you know, Chris, I'll be honest, I'm confused. Used.
It sounds like one sanctioning body voted against her, but
the Olympic committee voted for her. Khalif is twenty five now,
so from a physical maturity standpoint, probably in her prime.
(10:19):
All I know is I didn't watch either of the fights.
I think she's fought twice into it's in totality, but
I think she fought an Asian fighter before. It looked
like a male hit no female, Oh really, yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
It looked like I haven't seen her bombs, and I
know she did it go to distance.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
I know they have the hagg years.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
So yeah, I think it did. I know in twenty
twenty she lost in the Olympics. I forget the young
lady's name, but again that was a four years ago
with twenty one OHD version. She's never medaled though right
twenty five, So I don't know. I just wish they
would get on the same page. I hate that if
the testing is uniform, that won governed by it can
say no one another one can say yes to me.
(11:02):
That's where the confusion comes in.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
And look with testosterone, I mean you remember ye, I
mean this is decades ago. I think, I don't want
to misspeak.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
But was it the.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Russian or East German or I think I feel like
it was who were There were runners who were dominating
in women's sports and they were taking performance enhancing drugs
and that's one way with women.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah, with women, that's how you measure it.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
You know, the testosterone, that's one way elevated So you know,
if elevated levels of testosterone, yeah, I mean, that's more
in line with a male. But again, she's never medaled
in the Olympics. She has lost several times. So that's
why I think Sean that and you said it, you
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saw a fighting the Asian fighter and she was just
hammering her. But I just think that this has to
This is an issue, and like I said, somebody's going
to get hurt if you start allowing boys at the
high school levels fight against girls or what not just
fighting but play basketball, softball, whatever it might be.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
This is no. I don't understand.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
How so many women who claim to be all about
women's liberation and rights for women, feminists and so on
are okay with men participating in women's sports. That is
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going to take away opportunities from women girls. I don't
I'm sorry, and I know this is like a big
political thing. You know, you had the Leah Thomas situation
as a swimmer at Pennsylvania was a male now you know,
claims to be a female.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Then was able to swim, and you know, was a meeting.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Ocre college swimmer for men and became like all world
for women or you know, at the collegiate level, and
you had many members and you penn is a very
liberal school. My daughter went there and goes there now
getting their PhD. And you had members on that swim team.
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Sean saying, now, they said it anonymously to journalists because
they didn't want you know, to be viewed as a
bigot or you know, whatever it might be, go against
the schools, liberal policies, whatever.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
And a lot of them were.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
I bet just about all of them were liberals anyway,
but they still understand it's not fair, it's not right.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Leah lea time. I don't think she'll be swimming against me.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I'm not gonna celebrate a man beating women in sports.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (13:54):
I agree with you there because I have two girls
as well, and I definitely would feel away if I
went to their petition and they were competing against a male.
That that would bother me.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Yeah, it's dangerous, I mean beyond just I think being
philosophically ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
It's dangerous.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
And I guess I hope people learn before that. But
if they don't learn the hopefully nobody learns the hard
way and a female is severely hurt by a male.
I agree, you know, And I guess people want to say, well,
what would you do with the transgender athlete? Well, you know,
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I compete, have their own like division where they compete
against one another.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
That's what I would say.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
You know, I don't because I again I don't think
males should be competing against females. Females competing with against
males isn't really an issue. They're not going to be
that effective, so let them compete against one another. But yeah,
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox, what do you
think is a complicated issue? I guess in this instance
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it is because you're dealing with the person who I
guess the term would be intersex, which is rare, but
it is.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
It does happen.
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Sean, who sang this funk Adelics, isn't it? Let's keep
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Speaker 6 (16:23):
Real controversy in the boxing at the Olympics A a
female with male chromosomes. I guess that's all right, we
can just cry right is fighting women? I think one
of the big things for me, Sean, is that like
if she were running through women, you know, like just
destroying them like a good male fighter. And I don't
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mean this is any disrespect to women, but you know,
would then I think I might, I might feel differently.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
You know your opinion is going to be based on
the outcome on this year's Olympics. I was no Olympics.
What of her chances? What are her affected chances? In
twenty four she was already two and oh correct.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Yeah, I'm not gonna say I'm basing on this year's Olympics.
And I don't know that I'm totally I'm just feeling this,
you know, talking as thinking out loud. I'm not saying
I'm I would totally be with it if it were different.
But the fact that women have beaten her several times,
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you know that, that to me, that does make a difference.
She's not just you know, so I think it makes
a difference. But let's hear what the callers say.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
All right, Sewn and Sacramento, you are on the odd couple.
What you got?
Speaker 12 (17:40):
Yeah, my uncle from another mother, Missus Sean King, and
my brothers be behind the boys. Mary, Mary, what up? Well,
very strong feelings about this, fellas, mostly because if you
look at the history of this, it's been really been
presented for a lot of minority athletes, a lot of
the African women who are disquali fi from track and field,
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they had similar issues with having both X Y chromosomes
and elevated levels of hormones and what needs I don't.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Know, you said a lot.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I mean when you say a lot, that sounds like most,
which I'm sure isn't the case. Well, at the same time,
I remember a couple of years or several years ago
when there was the female track athlete.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
I think it was a track athlete.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Yeah, but I didn't remember this being like commonplace, like
you just got to clarify because you.
Speaker 12 (18:28):
Know, so there was a handful one of them. I
think the one that you're referring to is Christine Boma
from I don't remember which African nation she was from,
but the resolution that was presented by the IOC was
that she would actually be being required to have surgery
to either lower her hormones or take prescription medication to
lower her hormones, and ever since then she hasn't been
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the same. I feel like it is very unfair because
these these women, these natural born women, have you know,
genetic mutations that they have no control over. And there's
a lot of not you necessarily, but your your Fox
Radio teammate Doug Gottlieb and other media outlets who spread
misinformation and make it seem like these are men or
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transgender at least are trying to cheat other women. And
I think there's a difference there.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Yeah, there's difference. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
And if that's if her natural testosterone level is that high,
like I said, I think she should compete.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
She's a woman, you know.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Genitilia To me, genitaila is a big factor in this,
and chromosomes generally are, but there are a few. There
are exceptions, and this is an exception. But I do
I'm staunchly against those biological men competing against women.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
But this is a little different.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
All right, let's go back to the phone lines. We
got Brian in Connecticut. You're on the odd couple. What
you got Hey.
Speaker 13 (19:52):
You guys, how you doing?
Speaker 14 (19:53):
Man?
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Great?
Speaker 14 (19:53):
Great, great show?
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 13 (19:55):
I'm with the other caller. I'm with the other caller.
This is this is difficult because you have chromosomes. You
was born that way. But I feel there should be
some kind of rule in there. I mean, I know
it's going to be.
Speaker 14 (20:08):
Unfair, but it is what it is. I mean, it's
not like rules.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
So what rule?
Speaker 13 (20:13):
Like you say, I just think that if your chromosome's
test at a certain level, you just can't compete.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Not like that.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
So you're not You're not with Sean.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Then the caller before you, he was saying that they
should just be able to compete, because he was talking
about the African runner who they wanted her to start
taking hormones to decrease her testosterone level before she could compete.
Speaker 14 (20:38):
No, yeah, I say, yeah, No, I'm not with him though.
Speaker 13 (20:41):
I don't think she should be to compete.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
I just don't.
Speaker 13 (20:44):
I don't think it's fair.
Speaker 14 (20:45):
Yeah, okay, because I mean and she heard that that
person real bad? Yeah yeah, other good quit because he ain't.
Speaker 13 (20:52):
Never been hit that hard.
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Speaker 6 (21:06):
Hot topic of the in the women's boxing in the Olympics,
where a I guess intersex female who is a female
by all indications except her chromosomes which she has X
Y chromosomes which are are male chromosomes women have XX.
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And because of that, her testosterone level are you know,
near a male's, if not equal to a male's, and
she she made her second female opponent quit and it
became a big story. My take, I believe Sean's take
as well, correct me if I'm wrong, Sean, is that
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it appears she's a female genitalia wise and otherwise we
think she should be able to fight or compete. But
This is different than a biological male who is now
identifying as a female.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
That's a whole different thing, and we would be against that.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
But we're going to take your calls if you want
to weigh in on this topic eight seven seven ninety
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Speaker 7 (22:25):
It's interested, Chris, because my stances. I just wanted to
be uniform across the board, come up with whatever guidelines
and regulations can be agreed upon, and then make that
the actual qualified. I don't like that one governing body
said this particular athlete couldn't compete, and another one said
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that they could. Like that's kind of where I feel
like it gets extremely dangerous.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
I think, unfortunately, particularly in boxing for whatever reason, but
it's probably another sports too. You know a lot of times,
even in America, you know, different states will sanction a
fight and other states would not sanction that person to fight.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
You know, so you would have the fighters are fighters
coming off with significant injury?
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, so there's that would you and you said
you have daughters, you wouldn't want them competing against males.
What if there were and there are those pushing this,
you know, a rule or law, if you will, where
they allowed that, even if it was universal like you said,
(23:33):
it wasn't. Some states will allow you, some won't, or
some nations will allow, some won't, you know, male's biological
males to compete against the females.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
It depends on the sport. If it was a sport
where I feel like the physical safety of my girls
was in jeopardy, then I probably would hold them out.
If it was something else where the skill just was
gonna overwhelm them and they were gonna lose, but they
couldn't physically, you know, get injured, then I probably let
them compete.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
See, I think I think one of those sports would
be track and field, and you're at least racing and
running sprinting, right, But I don't think it's I still
would be against it, even though thankfully you know, girls
would not get hurt or women would not get hurt,
But it takes away opportunities from females.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
And again, I'm gonna say it again for these.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Females who claim to be pro woman to be pushing
for males to compete against women is ridiculous to me.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
It makes no sense.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
It goes against everything that you said you stand for
in my view, because let's just look at Shikari Richardson.
She ran a ten to nine in her pre limit.
I know she can run faster. I think her all
time best is ten to six. You're not getting anywhere
near the file.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
You're a podium.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
You're not even real that is a You wouldn't win
the state championship in many.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
States in high school run.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Yeah, I mean ten to nine for sure, you definitely
wouldn't win state and maybe any state in the country.
But even with ten to six you might win some.
You would win some states, I think. But she don't
run a ten six consistently. You know, that's just their
all time best. But that's my examples. Like, so a
great sprinter like Chakai Richardson would would essentially not exist
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in track and field.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Yeah, so that's why I don't like it. But yeah, Ryan,
in Wisconsin, you're on the odd couple. What you got?
Speaker 15 (25:39):
Hey guys, Hey, first time car I listen to you
guys all the time and love the show. I just
want to, you know, quickly say you know these female
and I stressed female boxers. You know what, in terms
of this situation, the Olympics doesn't.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Don't have the rule.
Speaker 15 (25:53):
If they had a rule, I can understand it. They
got disqualified from a different event they had a.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
Rule, they got just off.
Speaker 15 (26:00):
I have had the room in the Olympics. I understand.
If they don't have the rule, I still I get it.
You know, the one thing I will say, how many
female basketball players? How many male basketball players to put
tubitary issues that causes them the grow caller? Should we
keep everyone at six two sixty three to have basketball
be more competitive because the six eleven volleyball player, a
six to eleven basketball player has a distinct advantage over
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most people. Uh, and don't tell me that a lot
of those cases aren't because they have hormones from the
pituitary glands. That isn't causing to grow faster than the
normal person.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Well, I think we know as far as that. I mean,
I know I covered George Mirrasigan when he played for
the Nets, and he did have an issue, that's why
he was so big. I don't know, like a Victor Winmbinyama,
is that related to a patuity?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
You know, I don't know. I haven't heard that just
about tall people.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
I don't think I but but to be honest, Mira
san was able to play and it was no issue,
and I don't think it should have been. I think
he should be able to play seven to seven and
I think too, I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Well I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I would.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Imagine that some great athletes, female athletes that whether regardless
of the sport, just historically, I would imagine there have
been a few like this at least right that maybe
we didn't know at the time, but they had. You know,
I'm speculating, but I would imagine that we've had some
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great female athletes who may have you know, been in
this situation before. And again, it's interesting because she she
doesn't win all the time.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
She hasn't won goal. So we'll see how she does
this year. But that's interesting too.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
All right, Tiffany and Charlotte, you're on the odd couple.
Speaker 16 (27:46):
What you got, hey, So this is Tiffany calling from Charlotte,
and I want to speak from a reproductive point of view.
So we're talking about the external organs being female. Jane
tell you, but we don't know what she hasn't eternally,
does she have ovarage that's producing estrogen or does she
have tests that haven't dropped and it's producing testosterone. So
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we're looking at the external side saying, yes, this is
a woman, but do we really know that because internally,
what is she what hormones are she is she producing?
And if it's the testosterone predominantly, then no, she should
not be allowed to by a woman who's only producing estrogen.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
Great call. You seem like, yeah, that's the Tiffany's point.
That's why I was talking about uniformity because I'm not
an expert in this field. But even in the first
hour of the show, we've talked about it being dependent
upon the chromosomes. Then we've talked about it being dependent
upon the genitalia, and Tiffany made a great point, is
it the internal organs? Like this needs to be a
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uniform qualifier, you know, so that everybody can get on board.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
You seem like, you, you know, oh, she we lost her.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
But Robbie is there do we know has that been
stipulated in any of the.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
No, but we've seen nothing like that. But Toshaun's point.
The governing body that ruled her ineligible. The IBA and
the World Championships ruled that it was heard another fighter
had failed an unspecified gender eligibility test. They had no
documentation for their ruling, and both fighters had competed in
IBA events for years before that test came out. What's more,
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this might add some even more murkiness of the whole thing.
The IBA has been stripped of its recognition by the IOC,
which at the Olympic Committee last year over governance and
finance issues, specifically related to them being funded by a
company that is Russian. So this whole thing is very convoluted,
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to say the least.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Right right now, it's interesting and I think, thank you, Tiffany,
that was a great call.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
I mean, the fact that the matter is seawan.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
There are a number of things that kind of determine sexy, right,
I mean, yeah, there's the chromosomes, I mean, the most
prominent obviously the chromosomes, the external genitalia, and then to
Tiffany's point, the internal as well. That's interesting, and I
also wonder, because rober g I think there are maybe
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even people I'm not an expert, speculating that is it
possible to have both. That's why I wanted to ask Tiffany,
is are there some people that do have both?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Right?
Speaker 5 (30:32):
The testes?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
And I'm sure there is, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
The ovaries.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
So that's it's interesting, It really is.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
But like I said, right now, I feel like she
should be okay to fight.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Go we got one more?
Speaker 7 (30:49):
All right, Madgine, Iowa, you're on the odd couple? What
you got?
Speaker 8 (30:52):
How are we doing today, Fellas?
Speaker 10 (30:54):
Right? Man?
Speaker 5 (30:55):
How are you well?
Speaker 8 (30:56):
I'm doing great, man. Just wrapping the five one five
shutout Gohawks. Can't wait to see it ten points a
game this fall. I just want to throw out there.
Michael Phelps also had a genetic advantage. His body produced
about half the lactic acid of that or normal human beings.
And for those of you who don't know, lactic acid
is when you're working out or you're exercising. That's what
attaches to the cells and signals the body that hey,
(31:18):
we're getting sore, we're getting tired, we need to break.
His body produced about half of that, so we could
go longer and harder without feeling any sort of tiredness
or pain. That his competitors did. Nobody poop pooed on
him for that. They just poop pooed on him for
smoking a little bit of weed. Like it may technically
be a genetic advantage, but if she's you know, by
all accounts, a woman, boo hoo crime.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Here River, No, that's a good call.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
And you heard you heard about that when Phelps was,
you know, in his prime and dominating.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Yeah, it's Friday, you know, here's the Odd Couple. Looks
a quick break, We'll be back in.
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John Mara, he told the Giants website today that he's
still happy with Daniel jones Is deal. Remember that was
a four year, one hundred and sixty million dollars deal
that they gave him last year. Here's mar I'm still happy.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Mar said.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
We gave him that contract because I thought he played
real well for us.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
In twenty two twenty twenty two.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Last year, he got hurt, and let's be honest, when
he was playing, we weren't blocking anybody. So let's give
him a chance with a better offensive line, with some
weapons around him, to see what he can do. I
disagree that he's played that well, but and I thought
it was a ridiculous contract.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
I thought it was terrible.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
The only saving grace for that contract was that only
the first two years were guaranteed. So this is the
last year of his guarantee. He got forty million last year.
He gets forty million this year, and then they can
be done with him and Sean, because I'm paying him
forty million dollars, I'm playing now. He could lose the
(33:42):
job at some point during the season if he's that
bad and he convinces me he ain't the one, But
I'm I'm I'm not.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Starting Drew Locke.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
I am starting Daniel Jones, and I'm giving him a
legitimate chance to prove himself because of the money I'm paying.
And I'll give him even a nice, sizable rope to
play with, and.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
I'm gonna just see.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
I don't think he'll play well enough where they're like,
this is our guy, let's bring him back.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
But I would give him a James.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
Yeah, it was a terrible deal. And it was a
terrible deal, Chris, because I didn't have to extend him, right.
I mean, he was drafted in twenty nineteen as a
first round pick, so he's on a five year contract.
They could have just said, you know what, play this
out and you know, we'll make a decision that The
surprising part for me is everybody in that organization talks
(34:38):
as if Daniel Jones is going into his second year
in the league. He started sixty games for the Giants, Like,
I mean, he's been there quarterback since twenty nineteen, and
all I hear is excuses about last year? What about
the other fifty four starts? Think I'll say this one
(34:58):
of the more entertaining reality shows I've seen was the
Giants off season. It's hard knocks to the correct term
for the off season and what it was. Yes, So
Joe Shan, I hope I'm pronounced his last name right,
the GM of the Giants. He's in his office with
(35:18):
his son and they're talking in his Sheen Sheen, Joe
Sheen and he's in his office with his son. He's
asking his son about the quarterbacks in this draft, and
his son tells him the realest thing I've ever heard.
We should get Jaydon Daniels. You only get this shot once.
She should try and win.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
What is she saying?
Speaker 7 (35:42):
He just kind of kind of he laughed it off
of the kind of cut to something else. But like
his son was telling him the truth, like why are
you rolling the dice with the Daniel Jones when because
they didn't even like Sheen didn't draft Jones that which
makes the extension, you know, even Murpurley.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
But there's no justifying that extension.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
I mean the year to everybody's talking about that. The
Giants when they made the playoffs and I think they
beat the Vikings in the wildcard round and then went
to Philly. They got Molly Wilder. Daniel Jones threw fifteen
touchdown passes.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Man you Robin, I said that, actually he was a
great running back that year. But as far as his passing, no,
you're right, it was and the only great passing that games.
I think the only times he threw for three hundred
yards twice it was against Minnesota, who was the worst
you know, had the worst secondary in the league at
(36:35):
that year.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
One of those games was the playoffs, and then I
think was.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
It Detroit or Jackson It was another bag you know, passed.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
Turned into a shootout back and forth.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
Look, this is the only one of the few things
I will give Daniel Jones. But this is just tough
luck and a lot of players have had to deal
with this, and you're one of them.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
But you got to overcome it.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
He has had three head coaches and four offensive coordinators
in his five seasons. I'm not it's not an excuse,
it's a little bit of an explanation. But you got
to overcome that, Sean, because he's not the only one
who's ever been in a position like.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Yeah, yeah, crimea river to who much is given, much
is required. I could understand if he was throwing twenty
plus touchdowns and just throwing a bunch of picks since
twenty twenty. Here's touchdowns eleven and twenty ten and twenty one,
fifteen and twenty two, two and twenty three. Come on, man,
his best moment as a Giant is falling down on
Monday Night football instead of score man.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Well wow, Sean obviously not a fan, Obviously not in
the Greg Jennings school of thought. Greg Jenny said he
was a top ten quarterback. I think he has since
come off of that ridiculous take.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Which is it worse?
Speaker 7 (37:55):
One shot out the grid?
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Yes, all right, it's the OCA. We got two hours left,
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what's up, brother, how you doing?
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What's good? Man? I gotta start the show off with
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last two evenings from a lot of brothers in the
Bond that are asking me to go a little easier
on you. They say, say, I've been kicking a butt
the last two days.
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So predicted, you know, he hasn't got one text.
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That'd be Friday. Have you Friday? To you? My man?
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Mary is in for DJ Alex Tyser on The Ones
and Twos and Uh, we're gonna get this thing started
hot because there has been controversy in the Olympics and
rob G coming it with boxing and what turns out
to be two female boxers, but there was a lot
(03:11):
of misunderstanding and misidentifying and all of that. So robb
G kind of bring us up to speed on this situation.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Well, actually, full disclosure, America. We were going to do.
Speaker 9 (03:24):
This story yesterday when it had first kind of started percolating,
and when Chris Bussard and I talked about it before
the show and we decided or discovered that the woman
in question, the Algerian boxer by the name of I'm
sorry the email's going really slow right now, but anyways,
it turns out she was a female and said, well,
(03:45):
what's the story, so we ultimately decided not to Well
that didn't stop a lot of other people from commenting
on it, because in the last twenty four hours or so,
it all.
Speaker 10 (03:56):
Started with Algeria is it at Monte Khalif in on Khalif,
the e Asyl, Algeria's amon Khalif was boxing Italian boxer
Angela Karini and in forty six seconds Karini retires in
the middle of the fight, she says she couldn't breathe.
Speaker 9 (04:12):
She's never been hit that hard before. That's why I
decided to come out. However, during the scrum, members of
the Italian Boxing Federation who were standing around her started
to expound and tile media members this was a dangerous fight.
She never should have been out there. She is a
man talking about Khalif and this all stems from a
(04:36):
ruling handed down by the IBA in the World Championships
where Khalif was determined to have an x Y chromosome,
which generally would be assumed to be a male, and
it's why she was removed from that event. However, the
IOC and other governing bodies who she has fought for
(04:58):
for years and years and years now determined that even
though she does have a Y chromosome, even though she
does have elevated levels of test thoughts from relative to
most women, that is completely normal and is actually part
of more of a genetic disorder than her actually being
a man. So by all accounts, she has female genitalia.
She's identified as a woman her entire life. She is
(05:19):
a female boxer, and obviously this became a big talking
point in the last twenty four hours, people coming up
in arms saying there is no way that it magified
a woman. And this morning the Italian boxer who started
this whole thing, Karini, who retired after forty six seconds,
(05:39):
spoke to the BBC and an Italian newspaper. She said
that she would apologize to Khalif for this whole ordeal,
saying the controversy quote makes me sad. I'm sorry for
my opponent. If the IOC says she can fight, I
respect that decision. And she added that if she were
to see Khalif again, she would brace her for this
(06:01):
whole misunderstanding.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Rob g quickly and thank you for that that great summary.
Are there any biological men that are fighting women in
these Olympics?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Not that we can confirm.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
No, Okay, Sean, It was simple to me initially, like
a lot of people. I mean, I hadn't tweeted or
commented on it. But when I thought initially that this
was a man or I guess people some people would
say a transgender woman fighting against the woman. I thought
(06:37):
it was ridiculous. I'm not my heads hasn't been under
the sand. I mean, I know that this is starting
to happen. But I'm against it. Biological men should not
be competing in sports against women. And what's gonna happen
if they continue to do this is some women's gonna
get really hurt. It is what it is. I mean,
(07:01):
we don't like men hitting women, and rightly so. But
while we gonna put them in a boxing ring to
fight against each other. I have two daughters that play
field hockey. I would not want them competing against boys,
and so I'm against that. But in this case it
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does seem I mean, she Khalifh is a woman. Now
she has a chromosonal difference I guess that obviously than
the majority of the human population, but genitalia, everything else,
she seems to be and identifies, not only identifies, but
(07:43):
lives as a woman and has the genitalia and so
on and so forth. So I just think, and also
she has lost many fights to women. It's not like,
you know she is because of her elevated tustosterone, that
she's just out there smash and so I think she
should be allowed to fight, you know, the fighter that quit.
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I mean, you know, I don't know what type of
competition she faced before.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
I would imagine it's good if she's an Olympian, but she.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Just got beat by a better fighter, it seems, and
didn't maybe even in I don't know what, if anything,
she had thoughts with going into the fight, Sean, but
knowing that Khalif has lost many times to women, that
guy have a hard time believing she's hitting just way
(08:36):
harder than any other woman. And I wonder this is
pure speculation on my part. I wonder if the fighter
that quit, the Italian fighter, if she had heard because
I've rob g you said, the Italian administrators are the
ones that kind of started were saying it's a man.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (08:56):
According to all the reports BBC, Yahoo, they were saying
this even before the fight started, that she should not
be participating, she's been banned from the ib IBA and
that that is a man. So when she their fighter
got touched up really bad in those forty seconds, I
was gonna say, hey, had that excuse ready to go?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:15):
And I bet I mean that probably put some thought
in the fighter's mind like I'm fighting a man, and
so I'm sure that messed her up mentally, and maybe
when she got clocked a few times, she just you know,
it took it to a whole another level in her mind,
and that's why I.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Think she apologized, because if she just quit.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Like if she went into that fight thinks she's fighting
a woman and the hits were so hard that she
just quit, you don't need to apologize. Roberto Duran didn't
apologize as Sugar eight.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Leonard would he quit?
Speaker 6 (09:47):
I mean you you you really hurt yourself, not the
other fighter, and so I think that probably may have
played a role, at least mentally in the Italian fighter's
mind as well.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Shawn, you know, Chris, I'll be honest, I'm confused. Used.
It sounds like one sanctioning body voted against her, but
the Olympic committee voted for her. Khalif is twenty five now,
so from a physical maturity standpoint, probably in her prime.
(10:19):
All I know is I didn't watch either of the fights.
I think she's fought twice into it's in totality, but
I think she fought an Asian fighter before. It looked
like a male hit no female, Oh really, yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
It looked like I haven't seen her bombs, and I
know she did it go to distance.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
I know they have the hagg years.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
So yeah, I think it did. I know in twenty
twenty she lost in the Olympics. I forget the young
lady's name, but again that was a four years ago
with twenty one OHD version. She's never medaled though right
twenty five, So I don't know. I just wish they
would get on the same page. I hate that if
the testing is uniform, that won governed by it can
say no one another one can say yes to me.
(11:02):
That's where the confusion comes in.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
And look with testosterone, I mean you remember ye, I
mean this is decades ago. I think, I don't want
to misspeak.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
But was it the.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Russian or East German or I think I feel like
it was who were There were runners who were dominating
in women's sports and they were taking performance enhancing drugs
and that's one way with women.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah, with women, that's how you measure it.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
You know, the testosterone, that's one way elevated So you know,
if elevated levels of testosterone, yeah, I mean, that's more
in line with a male. But again, she's never medaled
in the Olympics. She has lost several times. So that's
why I think Sean that and you said it, you
(11:50):
saw a fighting the Asian fighter and she was just
hammering her. But I just think that this has to
This is an issue, and like I said, somebody's going
to get hurt if you start allowing boys at the
high school levels fight against girls or what not just
fighting but play basketball, softball, whatever it might be.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
This is no. I don't understand.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
How so many women who claim to be all about
women's liberation and rights for women, feminists and so on
are okay with men participating in women's sports. That is
(12:40):
going to take away opportunities from women girls. I don't
I'm sorry, and I know this is like a big
political thing. You know, you had the Leah Thomas situation
as a swimmer at Pennsylvania was a male now you know,
claims to be a female.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Then was able to swim, and you know, was a meeting.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Ocre college swimmer for men and became like all world
for women or you know, at the collegiate level, and
you had many members and you penn is a very
liberal school. My daughter went there and goes there now
getting their PhD. And you had members on that swim team.
(13:20):
Sean saying, now, they said it anonymously to journalists because
they didn't want you know, to be viewed as a
bigot or you know, whatever it might be, go against
the schools, liberal policies, whatever.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
And a lot of them were.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
I bet just about all of them were liberals anyway,
but they still understand it's not fair, it's not right.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Leah lea time. I don't think she'll be swimming against me.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I'm not gonna celebrate a man beating women in sports.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (13:54):
I agree with you there because I have two girls
as well, and I definitely would feel away if I
went to their petition and they were competing against a male.
That that would bother me.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Yeah, it's dangerous, I mean beyond just I think being
philosophically ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
It's dangerous.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
And I guess I hope people learn before that. But
if they don't learn the hopefully nobody learns the hard
way and a female is severely hurt by a male.
I agree, you know, And I guess people want to say, well,
what would you do with the transgender athlete? Well, you know,
(14:34):
I compete, have their own like division where they compete
against one another.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
That's what I would say.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
You know, I don't because I again I don't think
males should be competing against females. Females competing with against
males isn't really an issue. They're not going to be
that effective, so let them compete against one another. But yeah,
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox, what do you
think is a complicated issue? I guess in this instance
(15:01):
it is because you're dealing with the person who I
guess the term would be intersex, which is rare, but
it is.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
It does happen.
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Speaker 7 (16:04):
Sean, who sang this funk Adelics, isn't it? Let's keep
it that way, hey man, you know you're getting these
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to carry a note.
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Nah, here, you're here, all right, let's go to the college.
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Real controversy in the boxing at the Olympics A a
female with male chromosomes. I guess that's all right, we
can just cry right is fighting women? I think one
of the big things for me, Sean, is that like
if she were running through women, you know, like just
destroying them like a good male fighter. And I don't
(16:44):
mean this is any disrespect to women, but you know,
would then I think I might, I might feel differently.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
You know your opinion is going to be based on
the outcome on this year's Olympics. I was no Olympics.
What of her chances? What are her affected chances? In
twenty four she was already two and oh correct.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Yeah, I'm not gonna say I'm basing on this year's Olympics.
And I don't know that I'm totally I'm just feeling this,
you know, talking as thinking out loud. I'm not saying
I'm I would totally be with it if it were different.
But the fact that women have beaten her several times,
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you know that, that to me, that does make a difference.
She's not just you know, so I think it makes
a difference. But let's hear what the callers say.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
All right, Sewn and Sacramento, you are on the odd couple.
What you got?
Speaker 12 (17:40):
Yeah, my uncle from another mother, Missus Sean King, and
my brothers be behind the boys. Mary, Mary, what up? Well,
very strong feelings about this, fellas, mostly because if you
look at the history of this, it's been really been
presented for a lot of minority athletes, a lot of
the African women who are disquali fi from track and field,
(18:01):
they had similar issues with having both X Y chromosomes
and elevated levels of hormones and what needs I don't.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Know, you said a lot.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I mean when you say a lot, that sounds like most,
which I'm sure isn't the case. Well, at the same time,
I remember a couple of years or several years ago
when there was the female track athlete.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
I think it was a track athlete.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Yeah, but I didn't remember this being like commonplace, like
you just got to clarify because you.
Speaker 12 (18:28):
Know, so there was a handful one of them. I
think the one that you're referring to is Christine Boma
from I don't remember which African nation she was from,
but the resolution that was presented by the IOC was
that she would actually be being required to have surgery
to either lower her hormones or take prescription medication to
lower her hormones, and ever since then she hasn't been
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the same. I feel like it is very unfair because
these these women, these natural born women, have you know,
genetic mutations that they have no control over. And there's
a lot of not you necessarily, but your your Fox
Radio teammate Doug Gottlieb and other media outlets who spread
misinformation and make it seem like these are men or
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transgender at least are trying to cheat other women. And
I think there's a difference there.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Yeah, there's difference. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
And if that's if her natural testosterone level is that high,
like I said, I think she should compete.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
She's a woman, you know.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Genitilia To me, genitaila is a big factor in this,
and chromosomes generally are, but there are a few. There
are exceptions, and this is an exception. But I do
I'm staunchly against those biological men competing against women.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
But this is a little different.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
All right, let's go back to the phone lines. We
got Brian in Connecticut. You're on the odd couple. What
you got Hey.
Speaker 13 (19:52):
You guys, how you doing?
Speaker 14 (19:53):
Man?
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Great?
Speaker 14 (19:53):
Great, great show?
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 13 (19:55):
I'm with the other caller. I'm with the other caller.
This is this is difficult because you have chromosomes. You
was born that way. But I feel there should be
some kind of rule in there. I mean, I know
it's going to be.
Speaker 14 (20:08):
Unfair, but it is what it is. I mean, it's
not like rules.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
So what rule?
Speaker 13 (20:13):
Like you say, I just think that if your chromosome's
test at a certain level, you just can't compete.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Not like that.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
So you're not You're not with Sean.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Then the caller before you, he was saying that they
should just be able to compete, because he was talking
about the African runner who they wanted her to start
taking hormones to decrease her testosterone level before she could compete.
Speaker 14 (20:38):
No, yeah, I say, yeah, No, I'm not with him though.
Speaker 13 (20:41):
I don't think she should be to compete.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
I just don't.
Speaker 13 (20:44):
I don't think it's fair.
Speaker 14 (20:45):
Yeah, okay, because I mean and she heard that that
person real bad? Yeah yeah, other good quit because he ain't.
Speaker 13 (20:52):
Never been hit that hard.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
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Speaker 6 (21:06):
Hot topic of the in the women's boxing in the Olympics,
where a I guess intersex female who is a female
by all indications except her chromosomes which she has X
Y chromosomes which are are male chromosomes women have XX.
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And because of that, her testosterone level are you know,
near a male's, if not equal to a male's, and
she she made her second female opponent quit and it
became a big story. My take, I believe Sean's take
as well, correct me if I'm wrong, Sean, is that
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it appears she's a female genitalia wise and otherwise we
think she should be able to fight or compete. But
This is different than a biological male who is now
identifying as a female.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
That's a whole different thing, and we would be against that.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
But we're going to take your calls if you want
to weigh in on this topic eight seven seven ninety
nine on Fox eight seven seven nine nine six sixty
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us a call right now. We'd have to get you
on quickly.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
It's interested, Chris, because my stances. I just wanted to
be uniform across the board, come up with whatever guidelines
and regulations can be agreed upon, and then make that
the actual qualified. I don't like that one governing body
said this particular athlete couldn't compete, and another one said
(22:48):
that they could. Like that's kind of where I feel
like it gets extremely dangerous.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
I think, unfortunately, particularly in boxing for whatever reason, but
it's probably another sports too. You know a lot of times,
even in America, you know, different states will sanction a
fight and other states would not sanction that person to fight.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
You know, so you would have the fighters are fighters
coming off with significant injury?
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, so there's that would you and you said
you have daughters, you wouldn't want them competing against males.
What if there were and there are those pushing this,
you know, a rule or law, if you will, where
they allowed that, even if it was universal like you said,
(23:33):
it wasn't. Some states will allow you, some won't, or
some nations will allow, some won't, you know, male's biological
males to compete against the females.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
It depends on the sport. If it was a sport
where I feel like the physical safety of my girls
was in jeopardy, then I probably would hold them out.
If it was something else where the skill just was
gonna overwhelm them and they were gonna lose, but they
couldn't physically, you know, get injured, then I probably let
them compete.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
See, I think I think one of those sports would
be track and field, and you're at least racing and
running sprinting, right, But I don't think it's I still
would be against it, even though thankfully you know, girls
would not get hurt or women would not get hurt,
But it takes away opportunities from females.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
And again, I'm gonna say it again for these.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Females who claim to be pro woman to be pushing
for males to compete against women is ridiculous to me.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
It makes no sense.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
It goes against everything that you said you stand for
in my view, because let's just look at Shikari Richardson.
She ran a ten to nine in her pre limit.
I know she can run faster. I think her all
time best is ten to six. You're not getting anywhere
near the file.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
You're a podium.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
You're not even real that is a You wouldn't win
the state championship in many.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
States in high school run.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Yeah, I mean ten to nine for sure, you definitely
wouldn't win state and maybe any state in the country.
But even with ten to six you might win some.
You would win some states, I think. But she don't
run a ten six consistently. You know, that's just their
all time best. But that's my examples. Like, so a
great sprinter like Chakai Richardson would would essentially not exist
(25:31):
in track and field.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Yeah, so that's why I don't like it. But yeah, Ryan,
in Wisconsin, you're on the odd couple. What you got?
Speaker 15 (25:39):
Hey guys, Hey, first time car I listen to you
guys all the time and love the show. I just
want to, you know, quickly say you know these female
and I stressed female boxers. You know what, in terms
of this situation, the Olympics doesn't.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Don't have the rule.
Speaker 15 (25:53):
If they had a rule, I can understand it. They
got disqualified from a different event they had a.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
Rule, they got just off.
Speaker 15 (26:00):
I have had the room in the Olympics. I understand.
If they don't have the rule, I still I get it.
You know, the one thing I will say, how many
female basketball players? How many male basketball players to put
tubitary issues that causes them the grow caller? Should we
keep everyone at six two sixty three to have basketball
be more competitive because the six eleven volleyball player, a
six to eleven basketball player has a distinct advantage over
(26:21):
most people. Uh, and don't tell me that a lot
of those cases aren't because they have hormones from the
pituitary glands. That isn't causing to grow faster than the
normal person.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Well, I think we know as far as that. I mean,
I know I covered George Mirrasigan when he played for
the Nets, and he did have an issue, that's why
he was so big. I don't know, like a Victor Winmbinyama,
is that related to a patuity?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
You know, I don't know. I haven't heard that just
about tall people.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
I don't think I but but to be honest, Mira
san was able to play and it was no issue,
and I don't think it should have been. I think
he should be able to play seven to seven and
I think too, I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Well I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I would.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Imagine that some great athletes, female athletes that whether regardless
of the sport, just historically, I would imagine there have
been a few like this at least right that maybe
we didn't know at the time, but they had. You know,
I'm speculating, but I would imagine that we've had some
(27:29):
great female athletes who may have you know, been in
this situation before. And again, it's interesting because she she
doesn't win all the time.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
She hasn't won goal. So we'll see how she does
this year. But that's interesting too.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
All right, Tiffany and Charlotte, you're on the odd couple.
Speaker 16 (27:46):
What you got, hey, So this is Tiffany calling from Charlotte,
and I want to speak from a reproductive point of view.
So we're talking about the external organs being female. Jane
tell you, but we don't know what she hasn't eternally,
does she have ovarage that's producing estrogen or does she
have tests that haven't dropped and it's producing testosterone. So
(28:09):
we're looking at the external side saying, yes, this is
a woman, but do we really know that because internally,
what is she what hormones are she is she producing?
And if it's the testosterone predominantly, then no, she should
not be allowed to by a woman who's only producing estrogen.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
Great call. You seem like, yeah, that's the Tiffany's point.
That's why I was talking about uniformity because I'm not
an expert in this field. But even in the first
hour of the show, we've talked about it being dependent
upon the chromosomes. Then we've talked about it being dependent
upon the genitalia, and Tiffany made a great point, is
it the internal organs? Like this needs to be a
(28:50):
uniform qualifier, you know, so that everybody can get on board.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
You seem like, you, you know, oh, she we lost her.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
But Robbie is there do we know has that been
stipulated in any of the.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
No, but we've seen nothing like that. But Toshaun's point.
The governing body that ruled her ineligible. The IBA and
the World Championships ruled that it was heard another fighter
had failed an unspecified gender eligibility test. They had no
documentation for their ruling, and both fighters had competed in
IBA events for years before that test came out. What's more,
(29:27):
this might add some even more murkiness of the whole thing.
The IBA has been stripped of its recognition by the IOC,
which at the Olympic Committee last year over governance and
finance issues, specifically related to them being funded by a
company that is Russian. So this whole thing is very convoluted,
(29:49):
to say the least.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Right right now, it's interesting and I think, thank you, Tiffany,
that was a great call.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
I mean, the fact that the matter is seawan.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
There are a number of things that kind of determine sexy, right,
I mean, yeah, there's the chromosomes, I mean, the most
prominent obviously the chromosomes, the external genitalia, and then to
Tiffany's point, the internal as well. That's interesting, and I
also wonder, because rober g I think there are maybe
(30:20):
even people I'm not an expert, speculating that is it
possible to have both. That's why I wanted to ask Tiffany,
is are there some people that do have both?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Right?
Speaker 5 (30:32):
The testes?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
And I'm sure there is, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
The ovaries.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
So that's it's interesting, It really is.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
But like I said, right now, I feel like she
should be okay to fight.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Go we got one more?
Speaker 7 (30:49):
All right, Madgine, Iowa, you're on the odd couple? What
you got?
Speaker 8 (30:52):
How are we doing today, Fellas?
Speaker 10 (30:54):
Right? Man?
Speaker 5 (30:55):
How are you well?
Speaker 8 (30:56):
I'm doing great, man. Just wrapping the five one five
shutout Gohawks. Can't wait to see it ten points a
game this fall. I just want to throw out there.
Michael Phelps also had a genetic advantage. His body produced
about half the lactic acid of that or normal human beings.
And for those of you who don't know, lactic acid
is when you're working out or you're exercising. That's what
attaches to the cells and signals the body that hey,
(31:18):
we're getting sore, we're getting tired, we need to break.
His body produced about half of that, so we could
go longer and harder without feeling any sort of tiredness
or pain. That his competitors did. Nobody poop pooed on
him for that. They just poop pooed on him for
smoking a little bit of weed. Like it may technically
be a genetic advantage, but if she's you know, by
all accounts, a woman, boo hoo crime.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Here River, No, that's a good call.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
And you heard you heard about that when Phelps was,
you know, in his prime and dominating.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Yeah, it's Friday, you know, here's the Odd Couple. Looks
a quick break, We'll be back in.
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John Mara, he told the Giants website today that he's
still happy with Daniel jones Is deal. Remember that was
a four year, one hundred and sixty million dollars deal
that they gave him last year. Here's mar I'm still happy.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Mar said.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
We gave him that contract because I thought he played
real well for us.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
In twenty two twenty twenty two.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Last year, he got hurt, and let's be honest, when
he was playing, we weren't blocking anybody. So let's give
him a chance with a better offensive line, with some
weapons around him, to see what he can do. I
disagree that he's played that well, but and I thought
it was a ridiculous contract.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
I thought it was terrible.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
The only saving grace for that contract was that only
the first two years were guaranteed. So this is the
last year of his guarantee. He got forty million last year.
He gets forty million this year, and then they can
be done with him and Sean, because I'm paying him
forty million dollars, I'm playing now. He could lose the
(33:42):
job at some point during the season if he's that
bad and he convinces me he ain't the one, But
I'm I'm I'm not.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Starting Drew Locke.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
I am starting Daniel Jones, and I'm giving him a
legitimate chance to prove himself because of the money I'm paying.
And I'll give him even a nice, sizable rope to
play with, and.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
I'm gonna just see.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
I don't think he'll play well enough where they're like,
this is our guy, let's bring him back.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
But I would give him a James.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
Yeah, it was a terrible deal. And it was a
terrible deal, Chris, because I didn't have to extend him, right.
I mean, he was drafted in twenty nineteen as a
first round pick, so he's on a five year contract.
They could have just said, you know what, play this
out and you know, we'll make a decision that The
surprising part for me is everybody in that organization talks
(34:38):
as if Daniel Jones is going into his second year
in the league. He started sixty games for the Giants, Like,
I mean, he's been there quarterback since twenty nineteen, and
all I hear is excuses about last year? What about
the other fifty four starts? Think I'll say this one
(34:58):
of the more entertaining reality shows I've seen was the
Giants off season. It's hard knocks to the correct term
for the off season and what it was. Yes, So
Joe Shan, I hope I'm pronounced his last name right,
the GM of the Giants. He's in his office with
(35:18):
his son and they're talking in his Sheen Sheen, Joe
Sheen and he's in his office with his son. He's
asking his son about the quarterbacks in this draft, and
his son tells him the realest thing I've ever heard.
We should get Jaydon Daniels. You only get this shot once.
She should try and win.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
What is she saying?
Speaker 7 (35:42):
He just kind of kind of he laughed it off
of the kind of cut to something else. But like
his son was telling him the truth, like why are
you rolling the dice with the Daniel Jones when because
they didn't even like Sheen didn't draft Jones that which
makes the extension, you know, even Murpurley.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
But there's no justifying that extension.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
I mean the year to everybody's talking about that. The
Giants when they made the playoffs and I think they
beat the Vikings in the wildcard round and then went
to Philly. They got Molly Wilder. Daniel Jones threw fifteen
touchdown passes.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Man you Robin, I said that, actually he was a
great running back that year. But as far as his passing, no,
you're right, it was and the only great passing that games.
I think the only times he threw for three hundred
yards twice it was against Minnesota, who was the worst
you know, had the worst secondary in the league at
(36:35):
that year.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
One of those games was the playoffs, and then I
think was.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
It Detroit or Jackson It was another bag you know, passed.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
Turned into a shootout back and forth.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
Look, this is the only one of the few things
I will give Daniel Jones. But this is just tough
luck and a lot of players have had to deal
with this, and you're one of them.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
But you got to overcome it.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
He has had three head coaches and four offensive coordinators
in his five seasons. I'm not it's not an excuse,
it's a little bit of an explanation. But you got
to overcome that, Sean, because he's not the only one
who's ever been in a position like.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Yeah, yeah, crimea river to who much is given, much
is required. I could understand if he was throwing twenty
plus touchdowns and just throwing a bunch of picks since
twenty twenty. Here's touchdowns eleven and twenty ten and twenty one,
fifteen and twenty two, two and twenty three. Come on, man,
his best moment as a Giant is falling down on
Monday Night football instead of score man.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Well wow, Sean obviously not a fan, Obviously not in
the Greg Jennings school of thought. Greg Jenny said he
was a top ten quarterback. I think he has since
come off of that ridiculous take.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Which is it worse?
Speaker 7 (37:55):
One shot out the grid?
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Yes, all right, it's the OCA. We got two hours left,
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