July 22, 2024 • 36 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Chris, and he and Rob explain why Jordan Love is wise to holdout of training camp until he gets a new contract extension from the Green Bay Packers and debate whether the Kansas City Chiefs winning a third-straight Super Bowl would be good for the NFL. Plus, MLB Network and FOX Sports Radio MLB insider Jon Morosi swings by to discuss the 2024 Baseball Hall of Fame class, the looming MLB trade deadline, Juan Soto’s impending free agency and much more!
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let's kick it off with the NFL and Jordan Love
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and Rob G.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Jordan Love is not playing them around like you know.
The NFL and I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
A lot of players holding out is a tough deal
because the teams have so much power and they hold
your rights. Even if you hold out, you don't lose
a year, you know what I mean, they still have
your rights. So it's a bad CBA, a bad agreement
you know, by the players to accept it. So it's
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not like if I hold out a year, I'm gonna
before you and I can go somewhere else. You can't
do that. You don't gain anything. All you do is
sit out, lose money, and they still have your rights.
So it's a really tough spot to be in. But
Rob G, he's not playing.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
No, he's not.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And coming into this season, Jordan Love is set to
make eleven million dollars for the twenty twenty four to
twenty five NFL season, and given the way that he
closed the season out last year, there was a lot
of speculation coming into this summer that he was looking
for a new contract. It has been widely reported that
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that both sides were looking to make something happen, and
then as recently as about a month and a half ago,
ESPN reported that it was not only possible, but looking
likely that Jordan Love would hold out from training camp
and preseason games if he did not get a new
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contract extension. While today, Packers general manager Brian Gunaku's confirmed
that report, telling reporters that Jordan Love and his agents
told the team on Saturday that he would not be
participating in any training camp practice would not be playing
in any preseason games until he gets a new deal.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
This is interesting because.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Jordan Love did report the camp on time, took part
in meetings and all kinds of other activities, but he
will not physically be at practice and previously this shows
you know he got money on his mind at all times.
Jordan Love took part in the entire Packers offseason program,
including management mini camp, in order to receive his five
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hundred thousand dollars workout bonus. So you can tell Rob
Parker Martin Weiss that Jordan Love is about his paper.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And you know what, I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I Love it from this standpoint, and you could talk
about nitpick and talk about the first half of last year.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Wasn't that girl?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And then he've played well in the last six, seven,
eight games, whatever it was. And okay, he played great
in that playoff game where a Dallas had won sixteen
straight home games or whatever the number was, and he
blew them away. And here's why I'm on Jordan Love's side.
He didn't just show up out of nowhere. He's been
with them for four years. He was drafted in twenty twenty,
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and here he is replacing a Hall of Fame quarterback
his first year. They get a playoff win, they look
pretty doing good doing it as well.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And Martin, they came on at the second half of
the season. They know.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
His work habits, they know his work ethic. They've watched
him in practice. You know, in the NFL, what do
you do, Martin? You practice more than you play.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Right, sure, especially as a backup quarterback. Right, so you get.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
To see him, right, Okay, we like him, we don't
like him, whatever, And then the guy performs. Do you
want to go out there without a contract and have
some something bad happened to you? I know what happened
that Dak Prescott went out and played without a contract, right,
and then he wound up getting hurt and it worked
out for him somehow. He still got a deal and
got a big deal, right because the Cowboys that dragged
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their feet on him and they wind up paying them.
But that could have been a lot of people were
saying that Dak was crazy to even be out there
because of the idea that you could get hurt.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
And not only that, I think the injury that Dak
had actually helped because it was a clean broken bone.
Had that been a knee surgery that he needed to do.
You know what I'm saying, It's something that you recover from.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And you don't lose a step. Really, you're able to
come he got he got fortunate, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But I'm saying in the Jordan Love thing, the jury
should be out. I mean, why is the jeury? Why
is it a hung jeurry? If you're in Green Bay,
you watch this guy mark for four years if you're
not buying him. And it was like Kirk Cousins in
DC right when they were like, no, we just were
not signing them.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
They made it clear and they watched it tagged them
out right.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
They were like, we're not signing them, and they didn't
care whatever, And he wanted going to Minnesota and getting
a fully guaranteed contract, but they made their point that
they weren't signing them, right, And if you're the Packers,
you can't play that game.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Here.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
He replaced a legendary quarterback. They didn't miss a step.
They actually made the playoffs the year before Aaron Rodgers.
Last year they didn't even make the playoffs. Right, And
you should be looking at this is you could be
a franchise Martin Weiss that has three quarterbacks that span
forty years, right, Like you have a.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Chance to just dealers with their coaches, right.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Like, how many teams could have three quarterbacks over forty
year stretch?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
You know how many teams have had twenty quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
The Cleveland Brown, right, had a ton of quarterbacks for
a long time.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
They couldn't get get it right.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
They still might not have considering Deshaun Watson. The thing
with Jordan Love, I think this is less about Jordan
Love and what he did last season, good or bad
for that matter, and more just what these numbers are,
Like fifty million dollars, there's just so much money of
your salary cap that I think we're starting to see
the other shoe drop. Guys like Tua, guys like Jordan Love,
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guys like Brock Party. I think you're starting to see
the other shoe drop when it comes to this, because
fifty million dollars is such a big number that if
you make a mistake paying that out, you're done. Buddy,
You're cooked. It's over with. I agree with you in
that they've seen Jordan Love for the last four years.
But my thing is this, how good was Jordan Love
when they were looking at him? Because if you had
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a quarterback on a rookie contract and an aging yet
still playing at a very high level quarterback in Aaron Rodgers,
you could have made that trade, not just let him
walk off in Lambeau and you know, have his moment
with Randall Cobb.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
If you had a.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Guy that was ready to go as a backup, that's
a rookie, our second year player, first year player, a
guy on that same rookie contract, then the Packers misman
is this a ton if he was ready to go
two years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I agree with that because they did not think he
was there. Otherwise, I'm with you. You pull the trigger, but
holding on to him and then having this guy have
a breakout second half of the season and when a
playoff game in that fashion, Now what I mean, what
else could he have to do, Martin to make you
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feel good about him moving forward? I mean, I think
that he answered it. It would be different if you
looked at him and he played well in the beginning
and struggled in the second half.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Right, Sure, we had a different conversation, So.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Totally different conversation compared to finishing strong and making you
buy into it.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That's how we remember the last stuff that we see.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
I say this, though, I bet if he had come out,
if Jordan Love had come out in his first full
year starting and had a year like CJ.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Stroud did, there'd be no conversation.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
There'd be no conversation signing up fifty three million dollars
right there on the dotted line.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But he didn't.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
He still had that first half of the season. I
know that we remember the thing that we just saw,
But if I'm signing off a fifty million dollars average
annual value type contract five years, I'm gonna remember.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
All of it. Yeah, but here's the problem.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
This is the system that the ownership has agreed to,
and this is the thing that the players have signed to.
So now there's no way you can't turn away. The
quarterback is the most important position on these teams, Martin.
If you don't have a quarterback, you're out, You're out
of you're basically out of winning anything. And that's why
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people are so hell bent on you got to have
a quarterback. And that's why the value for the quarterback
is so high. Is it fair to other positions and
other players who should be getting some.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Money and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I get all that, but not in this game where
we are now, where they bank on the quarterback and
they throw the ball more than ever and all the
other stuff that goes on with it. It has changed
the importance of the quarterback. And I don't know how
you navigate and worry about, oh well, we don't want
to pay this and that. That's the going rate and
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unless you have an alternative, if you got an alternative, then
to make it happen other than that. And I give
Jordan Love credit, do not and ot go out there,
don't do it.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
He's getting the right advice.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Do you know what he has leverage over the package
they don't have an answer, Oh who would be the quarterback?
They will have to come to the table and will
have to pay him. You don't want to start this
off with you throwing away a season that you could
build off of what happened last year.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
The whey I think Jordan Love is doing the right
thing is is he's doing everything but going on the field.
He's still attending meetings. I saw it reported on TV
earlier today as a hold in, not a hold out.
I think if he was completely out of the facility
and doing that type of stuff that I will I
would be he's still not playing though, No, but but
he's but he's there, he's in the meetings. He's saying
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not playing, I understand that. But what I'm saying is
he's doing everything but that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But that's how you think to do That's how you
gel with your teammates. And that's why I'm saying it's
the right thing to do to do that if you're
Jordan Love. But it's to me, if you're not playing,
not practicing, not making those throws, not building a rapport
with your teammates, that is the part that you're You
can sit in all the meetings you want, you know,
you got to get on on a practice field and play.
That's all I'm saying, is he he it's not good
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for them, and to have them around and let and
eat with.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Them, and he's in the weight room or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I get what he's trying to do and trying to
make it softer on the packers. But if I'm the packers,
if he's gonna be around, you gotta it's either gonna
participate or you're not.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So what I'm telling you that you you don't come
in here?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
What number do you think they land doing to feel
good for for everybody to feel good, both the packer's side, and.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'm not sure. I mean you got a number in
your head. I mean I know what the going rate is.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah, I think if you can get it for fifty million,
forty eight million, in that range forty eighth to fifty one,
I think you got to just take him because of
the way you've handled the situation up to prior. If
Jordan Love's asking for sixty million dollars, then I might
just have to go.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I might have to go elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
But we talked about this before. They should have signed
him before last season. That I should have offered him
a deal that was reasonable then, because see that, and
that's where I think they made their mistake.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
And and what teams do is, well, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
We're not sure on Jordan love right, so we're not
going to give him off from a contract. But then
if he plays well Mark like he did, it only
ups the price, like you do.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
You tell me if it's if before at the end
of last Seed, then the two seasons ago when Rogers
is walking off with Randall Cobb out of lambeau Field,
if you offer Jordan love of you know, a forty
million dollars average annual value contract right.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Probably could have been cheaper than this.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
That's what That's what the Daniel Jones number you could
have got him at that you could have got him
with the Johns are playing Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And that's that's on the Packers. And I'm just saying, like,
you have to stand up for yourself to get paid.
You gotta be real careful in this situation. He knows
how important quarterbacks are. Wherever's talking to him, they're doing
the right thing. They're telling him. He has leverage. It's
not all the time that you have leverage, Martin, he
has leverage.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
He absolutely does this in this in this scenario as
an NFL player, Jordan Love, he may never experience it.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Again, might pay advantage of it one hundred percent? All right?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Is Jordan Love doing the right thing by holding out
for a new contract?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
In Green Bay?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
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Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers. He is holding
out and I think he's right to do so. I'm
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Speaker 5 (16:09):
Michael and Raleigh. You're on the a couple of Fox
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Speaker 8 (16:13):
Hey, guys, how's it going? How are you? I'm doing great, Rob,
I'm a big fan of yours. I've been following you
for a while.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Thank you, and you're still a fan. Well, don't be smart.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 9 (16:26):
Mark Martin.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Nice to talk to you for the first time.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yes, sir, appreciate you. No, really, I appreciate that support
for real.
Speaker 8 (16:32):
Of course, I'm regarding Jordan Love Rob, I have to
kind of disagree with you. And here is why. Number one, Uh,
he's only had one year of starting quarterback in the NFL,
and the first half, like you guys just talked about,
wasn't that great. So to me, let's let's let's let
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him prove it this year, you know, let him take
the Packers to the you know, playoffs. Hopefully they make
a deep and if so, I would give him I
would make him the highest paid quarterback in football. But
until then, I still think he's got something to prove.
And then the other thing is regarding holding out. I
just think it's a little selfish. I'm sorry, you.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Know, but let me ask you this, but hold on,
if he gets if he goes and plays without a
contract and get hurt, will the Packers give him that
deal or will they say, well, you're hurt now.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
I mean, they're still going to give him that deal
with no or not no, no, no other option.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
No no, not.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
If he's hurt, he's not going to get the same deal.
He might not be the same quarterback. I'm just saying
he has to protect himself because the team won't take
We've seen guys get hurt and never get contracts.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
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Speaker 5 (17:54):
Scott in North Carolina. You're on the couple on Fox
Sports or radio?
Speaker 10 (18:00):
What's up, my guys? I got done?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
What's up? Scott? How are you?
Speaker 10 (18:04):
I'm doing good? I mean, I ain't gonna lie. I'm
trying to. Like Martin white Man, I like your energy.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Appreciate it man, Thank you.
Speaker 10 (18:11):
But I definitely agree with Robin this or kind of
both of y'all. You gotta pay him. I mean, first
it's green Bay, like, who are they gonna get? Who's
gonna come to Green Bay? They draft their guy and
sit them behind the starter. That's how I kind of
operate that thing. So you know, might as well pay
him and you know, get get over with before the rate.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Even goes fire, right, And it's not gonna go down.
It goes up, doesn't it. I agree, it's only gonna cast.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
If you think this guy is any good and you
make the playoffs again, he wins enough it's going to law.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Get him now right then with then.
Speaker 10 (18:47):
With four years in the system, I mean you should
be able to know, like if that's a wife or not.
You're spending four years, thank you able to see if
that's a good guy for the organization in.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Four years because you've his work ethic, you've seen everything
behind the scenes right for him to prepare to get
ready for this moment. And then if you still can't
judge evaluate him.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Something's wrong with your system. They really blew this last year.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
If you felt good enough that he was good enough
on your seven, yeah, then you could have got him
at a at a way cheat, at a four super
deal anyone.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
He's making eleven million dollars next year, you could have
quadrupled that. He could have gained thirty five and he
would have been happy with the happy as a clan.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
You would say fifteen million, and you wouldn't even be
having this conversation until two years into that deal.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Tyler in Las Vegas, you're on the odd couple of
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (19:39):
Hey, hey guys, thank you're thinking my car?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 11 (19:43):
I just want to say, Jordan Love is him and
you know it's gonna gonna take.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
A little bit of time.
Speaker 11 (19:48):
They couldn't even sign him until June fifteenth.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
I believe was the data.
Speaker 11 (19:52):
That's when he was eligible for the extension anyway, So
they've been working on it diligently. Also, Jordan Love didn't
just have, you know, like one good year. Everyone's saying
he only had a backup of the season.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
He was good.
Speaker 11 (20:04):
Good for you, hey, first three games he threw for
eight hundred yards and like seven touchdowns. They were they
were two and one in that stretch that he had
a really bad October beginning of November, right, and then
he turned it on the what we saw like the
turnaround of him going from looking like he had, you know,
just just just rolled out of bed to looking like
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a veteran guy back there diypon up Dallas and having
San Francisco on the ropes. I think he deserves every penny.
And this kid's gonna be special.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You just got to invest.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
You got to evaluate people who in your building, Martin
for this long and just you could sit here all day,
it's going to be good? Is He's not going to
be good. The longer you wait, the more money it costs.
That's that's just how it is. And not only not
solely based on how good he is, like just the
market for quarterback right, and then even based on totally
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how good he is.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I mean, just go down to Jacksonville.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Like when you look at Trevor Lawrence's win loss record
does not justify the contract and he.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Just did he take a step back last year. He
took a step back. They're betting that.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
That's the worst that he will be last year is
the worst he will be going forward.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
That's why he signed up to that deal, no doubt.
All right.
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Speaker 1 (21:34):
It is the id couple on a Magic City Monday,
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Speaker 3 (21:51):
John what's happening. To say hi to Martin Weiss.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
Robin, Martin, I am doing great, my friends, So if
you're both doing outstanding. I'm just coming back from Cooperstown.
Was there for the weekend. Now I'm back in Michigan
and getting ready for the trade deadline one week from tomorrow. Nuts.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yes, let's talk about Cooperstown first, right off the top.
You know, Adrian Beltray to me is a chew in
no if ends or butts about it. I'm a little
worried about the Hall of Fame and where we're going.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I think it should be an exclusive place, and you
should have it shouldn't be for everybody.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
And I get there's a lot of very good players, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
John, but I think we've Scott Rowland really opened the
door for a lot of players that I think are
Hall of very good.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Where are you on on that?
Speaker 9 (22:45):
I am a big Hall guy. I have voted that way.
I tend to think that we look at the Hall
and the plaque gallery as a way of celebrating the
history of the game through the eras and through the generations. Yes,
there are those that are the inner circle Hall of Famers,
Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, and others from this era. You
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go back to cal Ripkin, of course, he retired in
the early two thousands. There are those no doubters. I
think that if we only let in the no doubters,
we'd have an induction ceremony once every three or four years.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And what's wrong with that? John?
Speaker 9 (23:23):
What I say, Rob, is that so as someone who
and we both care about the history of the game
and growing the game in different way, I believe that
we enrich the game and inspire storytelling about the game
by having multiple inductees there every year. I think that
that is one mechanism for us to share stories about
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the history of baseball, to connect a grandparent to a
parent to a child, and to share the love of
the game continually over the years. And I look at
going to Cooperstown every year with multiple people hopefully going
in every years one way to do that. Now, it's
not as exclusive as the way that you're describing, and
that's okay. We can agree to disagree about what the
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what the meaning of the hall is and how we
should conceptualize it. I happen to think that we grow
the game most and grow and appreciation for the game's
history by having multiple inductees there every year, and Jim Leland,
people could say, well, his winning percentage was lower than
it should have been, or lower than a lot of
his peers. For me personally, that doesn't bother me. Tony
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the Russa says that Jim Leland in that era was
the best of all the managers that was from Tony
straight to me two days ago. And that generation includes
Tony himself and Joe Torre and Bobby Cox. That there
were so many greats of that time, and he said
that Jim was the best.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Let me let me say this, Okay, So, so I
told you Adrian Beltra voted for I did not vote
for Joe Mauer, did not vote for Todd Helton. Those
are both very very good players. Didn't vote for them.
And here's my when I vote, and I hear you
like the bigger hall and you want to have those
kind of situations. I just believe that if we have
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to debate your career, you're not a Hall of Famer.
And I know my standards are very high. When you
say Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera. There
is no debate on whether or not you should be
in the Hall of Fame. But when you say Todd Helton,
there is a conversation. When you say Scott Roland, there
is a conversation. And I don't think that's where we
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want to go. We want to make it exclusive. We
don't want it to be the Basketball Hall of Fame
where we don't even know what the criteria is, or
the NFL or the Pro Football Hall of Fame. We're
I letting twelve guys in and people go, who how
do they get in? I don't want it to be
like that, And it feels to me like that's where
we're headed to, watering it down.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
Well, what I would say, Rober is this, it is
a very very hard Hall of Fame to get into.
You're quoting and mentioning other Hall of Fame with eight
or nine or ten indfis in a year, you got
to get seventy five percent from the writers or seventy
five percent from the Era Committee. Think about think about
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Mary Bonds and people would say, oh, the writers didn't
vote for Mary Bonds. Well, sixty six percent of us did.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Right, I did two I did.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
So I voted for him. And so if you talk
about sixty six percent, believe me, any in any legislature
can get sixty six senators together. Anybody that gets sixty
six percent of the vote in presidential election feels pretty good.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's a runaway that.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
Is nine percent shy of what it takes to get
into the Hall of Fame in baseball. So I am
totally good with the exclusivity as.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
It is right now, John, I do a show in
Detroit on Sports Trap Radio.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Rob Parker is the fearless leader of that.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
And when we were talking about Leland getting in the
Hall of Fame earlier today, we had a caller call
up and complain that Lou Whitaker is not in the
Hall of Fame. I want to know, is that a
Hall of very good guy or a Hall of Fame
guy in your opinion?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
And all?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Well, so I want to ask you about the Tigers,
because I've been one of the hotter teams that the
American League rich through July.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
What do they need to do to be buyers?
Speaker 9 (27:08):
Well, so here's a couple of interesting things. They're number one,
Lou Whitaker belongs the Hall of Fame period, no doubt.
One of the best double play combinations in the history
of the game. Offensively, he ranks right there. If you
line up his numbers with Sandberg's numbers, he's right there.
And Sandberg he sailed in. And Lou Whitaker was one
and done on the ballot, which I still think was
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a total disgrace. How how the voting voting went for
Lou won and done did not make sense to me.
Then doesn't make sense to me now he belongs. I
hope the ERA committees rectify that wrong in the future.
Now for the Tigers, really interesting team right now, they're
playing well, they're beating Cleveland tonight. They're right around five hundred.
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They are probably not, however, ready to win a championship.
And if you're not ready to win a championship and
you've got the number one asset on the trade market
right now in Tarrek Scoogle.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
They cannot trade him, Oh my god, they can't trade rots.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
But if Baltimore's going to give you Jackson Holiday, Samuel
Bassaio and Kobe Mayo, would you do it?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I just it's so hard to get a three. I
get it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
But this is a guy who has a chance to
make you good for a long time, like when they
got Verlander, and when you have them at the top
of your rotation, you're never going to be bad because
he's going to give you a chance to win every
fifth day.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Right well, and here's the other thing, Verlander. They would
not have won as many games with Verlander if they
did not also have Max Scherzer. And how they get
Max Scherzer. They traded Curtis Granderson, so that you can
sometimes build your team, change your identity by making the
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right trade. When they had their their rotation and they
were rolling, they had Suzer was a trade. Anny Beal
Sanchez was a trade. Uh, Doug Fister was a quiet
in the trade. If you're going the right route and
you and you make the right trade at the right time,
it can change your organization. And if you can get
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a Jackson Holiday and a Mayo and Avisio or Connor
norby some combination thereof, you're on your way. And what
the Tigers need right now are bashed. They're developing some
good arms. They need bass And I think that's.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Another one, right real quick, your gut, do they pull
the trigger with Baltimore?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Your gut?
Speaker 9 (29:31):
I got it right now At about sixty to forty
that he says. But it's close.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
It's close, So I think, like.
Speaker 9 (29:37):
If you had to say, you got to risk it
all and make the prediction. I think that he probably stays.
But it's it's a real it's a really close battle
right now from what I've been told and what's in
my mind right now. And it's going to be a
fascinating week ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And I know one more one minute on, Juan Soto
had two home runs for the Yankees against Tampa Bay today.
What has he got twenty five in the season. He's
had a really good year in the Bronx. Is he
re signing with the Yanks for five hundred million just
your gut? Or will he go across the Queens and
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maybe sign for more.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
I think he'll stay with the Yankees, but again, it's close.
I think it's a Yankees versus Mets. I think it's
like probably fifty five percent Yankees, twenty percent Mets, and
then the remaining five is everybody else. I think it's
just it's it's New York for him. He belongs in
New York. He probably belongs staying in the Bronx. But
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if they're not going to pay him, then he has
free agency and probably goes across town. And Aaron Judge
is such a team first guy that I have every
confidence that if the Steinbernners say, hey, Aaron, is that okay?
If we pay wan So no more money to keep him,
I think Aaron would say absolutely, because he wants to win.
He's already got the MVP, He's already got fifty two overs,
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he wants a title, okay. So I think Aaron Judge
will not have an issue with mon Soto making more
money than him if it gives the Yankee the best team.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Thanks for the knowledge, John Morosi from MLB Network, Fox
Sports Radio, MLB Inside It.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Thank you, John, appreciate you.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
Martin, my pleasure, my friends to look forward to catching
up at the ballpark again.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Real so no doubt, Yes, sir, all right?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Martin White says Roger Goodell should do everything in his
power to ensure the Chiefs one another Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I'll have to hear Martin explain this coming up next,
Chris Slander, Fox Sports.
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All right, So Chris Jones is uh saying that the
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Chiefs three p would be good for the NFL. Martin
White's do you agree with Chris Jones?
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Is that way? Are you in that camp? I do
agree with Chris Joess. Okay, why is that because the
NFL needs another hero? Like when you think about that
hero is nothing but a sandwich.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
So what are you saying, all right now that we
let everybody laugh at that joke. That's right, let's get
into it. No, So, but I say the NFL needs
not the hero because it's for so long. Tom Brady
was at the top of the game, right. He had
three two distinct periods where there was felt like nobody
was beating the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Well it was nine years in between that way, he
didn't win anything. That's why I said two distincts.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Okay, all right, I remember I saw it all, but
there was two distinct periods where it felt like nobody
could beat them. And I think the league, especially the
way the NFL is set up, it works better when
there is a clear king of the mountain that everybody
is trying to knock off of the mountain. So I
think if the Kansas City Chiefs won a third Super
Bowl in a row, first of all, I think it'd
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be dope because it would be a true dynasty. But
also it would just further solidify that Patrick Mahomes is
right there at that level by himself and until like
and now, everybody's taking their best shot to knock off
the king. And when you come at the King, you
best not miss. I think from a TV show, I
think that's ridiculous. They've already won back to back. That's
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more than enough.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Nobody has done that since the Patriots right twenty years ago,
So that in itself is pretty good.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
You don't have to have.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Them win three in a row to make people feel
people think that the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes are already
that guy. That's the team every year that people pick
every year, regardless if they or not. So I don't
understand what winning another one would enhance.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
That people were not picking the Kansasy before the season started,
did they pick the Chiefs and then they watched the
first four weeks of the season, they said, Oh wow,
the receivers are catching the ball with their ralbows.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, but I'm saying going in they did pick them.
They picked them every year, even the years that they've lost,
the Chiefs have been to pick, Like the last five
years in the AFC, who else has been picked?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Who am I missing? I mean a lot of people
excluding myself, was on Baltimore last year. Okay, but most
people picked the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
They still believe in the Chiefs, right, I'm not saying
I picked Baltimore. I'm with you, but I'm talking about
the majority. Patrick Mauli wins every year. I'm Andy Weid,
I'm gonna pick them no matter what. I don't care.
I still believe in them. And all I'm saying is
them not them winning next year. Winning another one is
not going to change the way people look at Patrick Mahomes.
(34:53):
Oh yes, well, no, I'm talking about the way that
they look at him anyway. They already believe he's that guy.
It also do not believe him that that guy. It
elevates him in the conversation of the greatest.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Of all time.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I got that, But I'm saying, do they think he's
that guy? Yeah, okay, that's what I'm saying, but they
will still think. That doesn't mean you can't further increase
your that guy. No, you're talking about legacy. I get
that part, but they already believe he's that Guy's the
best quarterback in the league. Don't go, don't bet against
Patrick Mahomes. That doesn't mean you can't they solidify it. No,
but that's not what you're saying. Like they need it
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to happen. One felt doesn't need it to happen, is
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
I said it would be a good thing for the NFL.
I didy say they needed it to happen. I think
the NFL will be.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It would be a good thing if the Baltimore Ravens
and a two time MVP and Lamar Jackson finally broke
through and won a Super Bowl. Now you might have
an idea that wow, Lamar's won one now and now
is this going to be something that we can look
forward to with Lamar and Patrick Mahomes going forward.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I think that's a better storyline.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
In this country, like seeing the same thing over and
over and over again. How many reruns do you watch
on a daily basis?
Speaker 11 (36:06):
Like?
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Why is towards reruns? Why is there and the Furiouses?
The most successful movie, so they're lazy. The most successful
movie that summer was Twisters. They were What do you
think happened in the first one? I get Twister, I
get it's all about tornadoes. Eighty point five million dollars
at box office and they can't go get anybody to
see Deadpool versus Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Why is that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I think that also it can be tiresome for the
same teams to always win. I don't think that people.
Uh it sounds good. They got a nice run. I
think people would love to see somebody fresh and new,
all right, coming up next? Yes, Gilbert Reenas said it,
and we're gonna talk about it.
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Speaker 3 (01:07):
We'll talk some baseball with him.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Coming up, and in the final hour, Yes, we're gonna
get to that Gilbert Arenas and his horrific comments about
South Sudan. We'll get to that in our number three
and Mark Stein, a Fox Sports Radio NBA insider as well,
he will join us in the third hour. But here
let's kick it off with the NFL and Jordan Love
(01:33):
and Rob G.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Jordan Love is not playing them around like you know.
The NFL and I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
A lot of players holding out is a tough deal
because the teams have so much power and they hold
your rights. Even if you hold out, you don't lose
a year, you know what I mean, they still have
your rights. So it's a bad CBA, a bad agreement
you know, by the players to accept it. So it's
(02:02):
not like if I hold out a year, I'm gonna
before you and I can go somewhere else. You can't
do that. You don't gain anything. All you do is
sit out, lose money, and they still have your rights.
So it's a really tough spot to be in. But
Rob G, he's not playing.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
No, he's not.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And coming into this season, Jordan Love is set to
make eleven million dollars for the twenty twenty four to
twenty five NFL season, and given the way that he
closed the season out last year, there was a lot
of speculation coming into this summer that he was looking
for a new contract. It has been widely reported that
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that both sides were looking to make something happen, and
then as recently as about a month and a half ago,
ESPN reported that it was not only possible, but looking
likely that Jordan Love would hold out from training camp
and preseason games if he did not get a new
(02:59):
contract extension. While today, Packers general manager Brian Gunaku's confirmed
that report, telling reporters that Jordan Love and his agents
told the team on Saturday that he would not be
participating in any training camp practice would not be playing
in any preseason games until he gets a new deal.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
This is interesting because.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Jordan Love did report the camp on time, took part
in meetings and all kinds of other activities, but he
will not physically be at practice and previously this shows
you know he got money on his mind at all times.
Jordan Love took part in the entire Packers offseason program,
including management mini camp, in order to receive his five
(03:42):
hundred thousand dollars workout bonus. So you can tell Rob
Parker Martin Weiss that Jordan Love is about his paper.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And you know what, I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I Love it from this standpoint, and you could talk
about nitpick and talk about the first half of last year.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Wasn't that girl?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And then he've played well in the last six, seven,
eight games, whatever it was. And okay, he played great
in that playoff game where a Dallas had won sixteen
straight home games or whatever the number was, and he
blew them away. And here's why I'm on Jordan Love's side.
He didn't just show up out of nowhere. He's been
with them for four years. He was drafted in twenty twenty,
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and here he is replacing a Hall of Fame quarterback
his first year. They get a playoff win, they look
pretty doing good doing it as well.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And Martin, they came on at the second half of
the season. They know.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
His work habits, they know his work ethic. They've watched
him in practice. You know, in the NFL, what do
you do, Martin? You practice more than you play.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Right, sure, especially as a backup quarterback. Right, so you get.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
To see him, right, Okay, we like him, we don't
like him, whatever, And then the guy performs. Do you
want to go out there without a contract and have
some something bad happened to you? I know what happened
that Dak Prescott went out and played without a contract, right,
and then he wound up getting hurt and it worked
out for him somehow. He still got a deal and
got a big deal, right because the Cowboys that dragged
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their feet on him and they wind up paying them.
But that could have been a lot of people were
saying that Dak was crazy to even be out there
because of the idea that you could get hurt.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
And not only that, I think the injury that Dak
had actually helped because it was a clean broken bone.
Had that been a knee surgery that he needed to do.
You know what I'm saying, It's something that you recover from.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And you don't lose a step. Really, you're able to
come he got he got fortunate, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But I'm saying in the Jordan Love thing, the jury
should be out. I mean, why is the jeury? Why
is it a hung jeurry? If you're in Green Bay,
you watch this guy mark for four years if you're
not buying him. And it was like Kirk Cousins in
DC right when they were like, no, we just were
not signing them.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
They made it clear and they watched it tagged them
out right.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
They were like, we're not signing them, and they didn't
care whatever, And he wanted going to Minnesota and getting
a fully guaranteed contract, but they made their point that
they weren't signing them, right, And if you're the Packers,
you can't play that game.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Here.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
He replaced a legendary quarterback. They didn't miss a step.
They actually made the playoffs the year before Aaron Rodgers.
Last year they didn't even make the playoffs. Right, And
you should be looking at this is you could be
a franchise Martin Weiss that has three quarterbacks that span
forty years, right, Like you have a.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Chance to just dealers with their coaches, right.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Like, how many teams could have three quarterbacks over forty
year stretch?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
You know how many teams have had twenty quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
The Cleveland Brown, right, had a ton of quarterbacks for
a long time.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
They couldn't get get it right.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
They still might not have considering Deshaun Watson. The thing
with Jordan Love, I think this is less about Jordan
Love and what he did last season, good or bad
for that matter, and more just what these numbers are,
Like fifty million dollars, there's just so much money of
your salary cap that I think we're starting to see
the other shoe drop. Guys like Tua, guys like Jordan Love,
(07:07):
guys like Brock Party. I think you're starting to see
the other shoe drop when it comes to this, because
fifty million dollars is such a big number that if
you make a mistake paying that out, you're done. Buddy,
You're cooked. It's over with. I agree with you in
that they've seen Jordan Love for the last four years.
But my thing is this, how good was Jordan Love
when they were looking at him? Because if you had
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a quarterback on a rookie contract and an aging yet
still playing at a very high level quarterback in Aaron Rodgers,
you could have made that trade, not just let him
walk off in Lambeau and you know, have his moment
with Randall Cobb.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
If you had a.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Guy that was ready to go as a backup, that's
a rookie, our second year player, first year player, a
guy on that same rookie contract, then the Packers misman
is this a ton if he was ready to go
two years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I agree with that because they did not think he
was there. Otherwise, I'm with you. You pull the trigger, but
holding on to him and then having this guy have
a breakout second half of the season and when a
playoff game in that fashion, Now what I mean, what
else could he have to do, Martin to make you
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feel good about him moving forward? I mean, I think
that he answered it. It would be different if you
looked at him and he played well in the beginning
and struggled in the second half.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Right, Sure, we had a different conversation, So.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Totally different conversation compared to finishing strong and making you
buy into it.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That's how we remember the last stuff that we see.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
I say this, though, I bet if he had come out,
if Jordan Love had come out in his first full
year starting and had a year like CJ.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Stroud did, there'd be no conversation.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
There'd be no conversation signing up fifty three million dollars
right there on the dotted line.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But he didn't.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
He still had that first half of the season. I
know that we remember the thing that we just saw,
But if I'm signing off a fifty million dollars average
annual value type contract five years, I'm gonna remember.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
All of it. Yeah, but here's the problem.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
This is the system that the ownership has agreed to,
and this is the thing that the players have signed to.
So now there's no way you can't turn away. The
quarterback is the most important position on these teams, Martin.
If you don't have a quarterback, you're out, You're out
of you're basically out of winning anything. And that's why
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people are so hell bent on you got to have
a quarterback. And that's why the value for the quarterback
is so high. Is it fair to other positions and
other players who should be getting some.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Money and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I get all that, but not in this game where
we are now, where they bank on the quarterback and
they throw the ball more than ever and all the
other stuff that goes on with it. It has changed
the importance of the quarterback. And I don't know how
you navigate and worry about, oh well, we don't want
to pay this and that. That's the going rate and
(10:03):
unless you have an alternative, if you got an alternative, then
to make it happen other than that. And I give
Jordan Love credit, do not and ot go out there,
don't do it.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
He's getting the right advice.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Do you know what he has leverage over the package
they don't have an answer, Oh who would be the quarterback?
They will have to come to the table and will
have to pay him. You don't want to start this
off with you throwing away a season that you could
build off of what happened last year.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
The whey I think Jordan Love is doing the right
thing is is he's doing everything but going on the field.
He's still attending meetings. I saw it reported on TV
earlier today as a hold in, not a hold out.
I think if he was completely out of the facility
and doing that type of stuff that I will I
would be he's still not playing though, No, but but
he's but he's there, he's in the meetings. He's saying
(10:56):
not playing, I understand that. But what I'm saying is
he's doing everything but that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But that's how you think to do That's how you
gel with your teammates. And that's why I'm saying it's
the right thing to do to do that if you're
Jordan Love. But it's to me, if you're not playing,
not practicing, not making those throws, not building a rapport
with your teammates, that is the part that you're You
can sit in all the meetings you want, you know,
you got to get on on a practice field and play.
That's all I'm saying, is he he it's not good
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for them, and to have them around and let and
eat with.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Them, and he's in the weight room or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I get what he's trying to do and trying to
make it softer on the packers. But if I'm the packers,
if he's gonna be around, you gotta it's either gonna
participate or you're not.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So what I'm telling you that you you don't come
in here?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
What number do you think they land doing to feel
good for for everybody to feel good, both the packer's side, and.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'm not sure. I mean you got a number in
your head. I mean I know what the going rate is.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah, I think if you can get it for fifty million,
forty eight million, in that range forty eighth to fifty one,
I think you got to just take him because of
the way you've handled the situation up to prior. If
Jordan Love's asking for sixty million dollars, then I might
just have to go.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I might have to go elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
But we talked about this before. They should have signed
him before last season. That I should have offered him
a deal that was reasonable then, because see that, and
that's where I think they made their mistake.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
And and what teams do is, well, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
We're not sure on Jordan love right, so we're not
going to give him off from a contract. But then
if he plays well Mark like he did, it only
ups the price, like you do.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
You tell me if it's if before at the end
of last Seed, then the two seasons ago when Rogers
is walking off with Randall Cobb out of lambeau Field,
if you offer Jordan love of you know, a forty
million dollars average annual value contract right.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Probably could have been cheaper than this.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
That's what That's what the Daniel Jones number you could
have got him at that you could have got him
with the Johns are playing Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And that's that's on the Packers. And I'm just saying, like,
you have to stand up for yourself to get paid.
You gotta be real careful in this situation. He knows
how important quarterbacks are. Wherever's talking to him, they're doing
the right thing. They're telling him. He has leverage. It's
not all the time that you have leverage, Martin, he
has leverage.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
He absolutely does this in this in this scenario as
an NFL player, Jordan Love, he may never experience it.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Again, might pay advantage of it one hundred percent? All right?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Is Jordan Love doing the right thing by holding out
for a new contract?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
In Green Bay?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
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Speaker 5 (16:09):
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Speaker 8 (16:13):
Hey, guys, how's it going? How are you? I'm doing great, Rob,
I'm a big fan of yours. I've been following you
for a while.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Thank you, and you're still a fan. Well, don't be smart.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 9 (16:26):
Mark Martin.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Nice to talk to you for the first time.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yes, sir, appreciate you. No, really, I appreciate that support
for real.
Speaker 8 (16:32):
Of course, I'm regarding Jordan Love Rob, I have to
kind of disagree with you. And here is why. Number one, Uh,
he's only had one year of starting quarterback in the NFL,
and the first half, like you guys just talked about,
wasn't that great. So to me, let's let's let's let
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him prove it this year, you know, let him take
the Packers to the you know, playoffs. Hopefully they make
a deep and if so, I would give him I
would make him the highest paid quarterback in football. But
until then, I still think he's got something to prove.
And then the other thing is regarding holding out. I
just think it's a little selfish. I'm sorry, you.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Know, but let me ask you this, but hold on,
if he gets if he goes and plays without a
contract and get hurt, will the Packers give him that
deal or will they say, well, you're hurt now.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
I mean, they're still going to give him that deal
with no or not no, no, no other option.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
No no, not.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
If he's hurt, he's not going to get the same deal.
He might not be the same quarterback. I'm just saying
he has to protect himself because the team won't take
We've seen guys get hurt and never get contracts.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
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Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox? That was loud?
That was loud.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Scott in North Carolina. You're on the couple on Fox
Sports or radio?
Speaker 10 (18:00):
What's up, my guys? I got done?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
What's up? Scott? How are you?
Speaker 10 (18:04):
I'm doing good? I mean, I ain't gonna lie. I'm
trying to. Like Martin white Man, I like your energy.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Appreciate it man, Thank you.
Speaker 10 (18:11):
But I definitely agree with Robin this or kind of
both of y'all. You gotta pay him. I mean, first
it's green Bay, like, who are they gonna get? Who's
gonna come to Green Bay? They draft their guy and
sit them behind the starter. That's how I kind of
operate that thing. So you know, might as well pay
him and you know, get get over with before the rate.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Even goes fire, right, And it's not gonna go down.
It goes up, doesn't it. I agree, it's only gonna cast.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
If you think this guy is any good and you
make the playoffs again, he wins enough it's going to law.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Get him now right then with then.
Speaker 10 (18:47):
With four years in the system, I mean you should
be able to know, like if that's a wife or not.
You're spending four years, thank you able to see if
that's a good guy for the organization in.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Four years because you've his work ethic, you've seen everything
behind the scenes right for him to prepare to get
ready for this moment. And then if you still can't
judge evaluate him.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Something's wrong with your system. They really blew this last year.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
If you felt good enough that he was good enough
on your seven, yeah, then you could have got him
at a at a way cheat, at a four super
deal anyone.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
He's making eleven million dollars next year, you could have
quadrupled that. He could have gained thirty five and he
would have been happy with the happy as a clan.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
You would say fifteen million, and you wouldn't even be
having this conversation until two years into that deal.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Tyler in Las Vegas, you're on the odd couple of
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Speaker 11 (19:39):
Hey, hey guys, thank you're thinking my car?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 11 (19:43):
I just want to say, Jordan Love is him and
you know it's gonna gonna take.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
A little bit of time.
Speaker 11 (19:48):
They couldn't even sign him until June fifteenth.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
I believe was the data.
Speaker 11 (19:52):
That's when he was eligible for the extension anyway, So
they've been working on it diligently. Also, Jordan Love didn't
just have, you know, like one good year. Everyone's saying
he only had a backup of the season.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
He was good.
Speaker 11 (20:04):
Good for you, hey, first three games he threw for
eight hundred yards and like seven touchdowns. They were they
were two and one in that stretch that he had
a really bad October beginning of November, right, and then
he turned it on the what we saw like the
turnaround of him going from looking like he had, you know,
just just just rolled out of bed to looking like
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a veteran guy back there diypon up Dallas and having
San Francisco on the ropes. I think he deserves every penny.
And this kid's gonna be special.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You just got to invest.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
You got to evaluate people who in your building, Martin
for this long and just you could sit here all day,
it's going to be good? Is He's not going to
be good. The longer you wait, the more money it costs.
That's that's just how it is. And not only not
solely based on how good he is, like just the
market for quarterback right, and then even based on totally
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how good he is.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I mean, just go down to Jacksonville.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Like when you look at Trevor Lawrence's win loss record
does not justify the contract and he.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Just did he take a step back last year. He
took a step back. They're betting that.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
That's the worst that he will be last year is
the worst he will be going forward.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
That's why he signed up to that deal, no doubt.
All right.
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Speaker 3 (21:51):
John what's happening. To say hi to Martin Weiss.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
Robin, Martin, I am doing great, my friends, So if
you're both doing outstanding. I'm just coming back from Cooperstown.
Was there for the weekend. Now I'm back in Michigan
and getting ready for the trade deadline one week from tomorrow. Nuts.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yes, let's talk about Cooperstown first, right off the top.
You know, Adrian Beltray to me is a chew in
no if ends or butts about it. I'm a little
worried about the Hall of Fame and where we're going.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I think it should be an exclusive place, and you
should have it shouldn't be for everybody.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
And I get there's a lot of very good players, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
John, but I think we've Scott Rowland really opened the
door for a lot of players that I think are
Hall of very good.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Where are you on on that?
Speaker 9 (22:45):
I am a big Hall guy. I have voted that way.
I tend to think that we look at the Hall
and the plaque gallery as a way of celebrating the
history of the game through the eras and through the generations. Yes,
there are those that are the inner circle Hall of Famers,
Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, and others from this era. You
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go back to cal Ripkin, of course, he retired in
the early two thousands. There are those no doubters. I
think that if we only let in the no doubters,
we'd have an induction ceremony once every three or four years.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And what's wrong with that? John?
Speaker 9 (23:23):
What I say, Rob, is that so as someone who
and we both care about the history of the game
and growing the game in different way, I believe that
we enrich the game and inspire storytelling about the game
by having multiple inductees there every year. I think that
that is one mechanism for us to share stories about
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the history of baseball, to connect a grandparent to a
parent to a child, and to share the love of
the game continually over the years. And I look at
going to Cooperstown every year with multiple people hopefully going
in every years one way to do that. Now, it's
not as exclusive as the way that you're describing, and
that's okay. We can agree to disagree about what the
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what the meaning of the hall is and how we
should conceptualize it. I happen to think that we grow
the game most and grow and appreciation for the game's
history by having multiple inductees there every year, and Jim Leland,
people could say, well, his winning percentage was lower than
it should have been, or lower than a lot of
his peers. For me personally, that doesn't bother me. Tony
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the Russa says that Jim Leland in that era was
the best of all the managers that was from Tony
straight to me two days ago. And that generation includes
Tony himself and Joe Torre and Bobby Cox. That there
were so many greats of that time, and he said
that Jim was the best.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Let me let me say this, Okay, So, so I
told you Adrian Beltra voted for I did not vote
for Joe Mauer, did not vote for Todd Helton. Those
are both very very good players. Didn't vote for them.
And here's my when I vote, and I hear you
like the bigger hall and you want to have those
kind of situations. I just believe that if we have
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to debate your career, you're not a Hall of Famer.
And I know my standards are very high. When you
say Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera. There
is no debate on whether or not you should be
in the Hall of Fame. But when you say Todd Helton,
there is a conversation. When you say Scott Roland, there
is a conversation. And I don't think that's where we
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want to go. We want to make it exclusive. We
don't want it to be the Basketball Hall of Fame
where we don't even know what the criteria is, or
the NFL or the Pro Football Hall of Fame. We're
I letting twelve guys in and people go, who how
do they get in? I don't want it to be
like that, And it feels to me like that's where
we're headed to, watering it down.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
Well, what I would say, Rober is this, it is
a very very hard Hall of Fame to get into.
You're quoting and mentioning other Hall of Fame with eight
or nine or ten indfis in a year, you got
to get seventy five percent from the writers or seventy
five percent from the Era Committee. Think about think about
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Mary Bonds and people would say, oh, the writers didn't
vote for Mary Bonds. Well, sixty six percent of us did.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Right, I did two I did.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
So I voted for him. And so if you talk
about sixty six percent, believe me, any in any legislature
can get sixty six senators together. Anybody that gets sixty
six percent of the vote in presidential election feels pretty good.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's a runaway that.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
Is nine percent shy of what it takes to get
into the Hall of Fame in baseball. So I am
totally good with the exclusivity as.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
It is right now, John, I do a show in
Detroit on Sports Trap Radio.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Rob Parker is the fearless leader of that.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
And when we were talking about Leland getting in the
Hall of Fame earlier today, we had a caller call
up and complain that Lou Whitaker is not in the
Hall of Fame. I want to know, is that a
Hall of very good guy or a Hall of Fame
guy in your opinion?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
And all?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Well, so I want to ask you about the Tigers,
because I've been one of the hotter teams that the
American League rich through July.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
What do they need to do to be buyers?
Speaker 9 (27:08):
Well, so here's a couple of interesting things. They're number one,
Lou Whitaker belongs the Hall of Fame period, no doubt.
One of the best double play combinations in the history
of the game. Offensively, he ranks right there. If you
line up his numbers with Sandberg's numbers, he's right there.
And Sandberg he sailed in. And Lou Whitaker was one
and done on the ballot, which I still think was
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a total disgrace. How how the voting voting went for
Lou won and done did not make sense to me.
Then doesn't make sense to me now he belongs. I
hope the ERA committees rectify that wrong in the future.
Now for the Tigers, really interesting team right now, they're
playing well, they're beating Cleveland tonight. They're right around five hundred.
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They are probably not, however, ready to win a championship.
And if you're not ready to win a championship and
you've got the number one asset on the trade market
right now in Tarrek Scoogle.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
They cannot trade him, Oh my god, they can't trade rots.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
But if Baltimore's going to give you Jackson Holiday, Samuel
Bassaio and Kobe Mayo, would you do it?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I just it's so hard to get a three. I
get it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
But this is a guy who has a chance to
make you good for a long time, like when they
got Verlander, and when you have them at the top
of your rotation, you're never going to be bad because
he's going to give you a chance to win every
fifth day.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Right well, and here's the other thing, Verlander. They would
not have won as many games with Verlander if they
did not also have Max Scherzer. And how they get
Max Scherzer. They traded Curtis Granderson, so that you can
sometimes build your team, change your identity by making the
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right trade. When they had their their rotation and they
were rolling, they had Suzer was a trade. Anny Beal
Sanchez was a trade. Uh, Doug Fister was a quiet
in the trade. If you're going the right route and
you and you make the right trade at the right time,
it can change your organization. And if you can get
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a Jackson Holiday and a Mayo and Avisio or Connor
norby some combination thereof, you're on your way. And what
the Tigers need right now are bashed. They're developing some
good arms. They need bass And I think that's.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Another one, right real quick, your gut, do they pull
the trigger with Baltimore?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Your gut?
Speaker 9 (29:31):
I got it right now At about sixty to forty
that he says. But it's close.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
It's close, So I think, like.
Speaker 9 (29:37):
If you had to say, you got to risk it
all and make the prediction. I think that he probably stays.
But it's it's a real it's a really close battle
right now from what I've been told and what's in
my mind right now. And it's going to be a
fascinating week ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And I know one more one minute on, Juan Soto
had two home runs for the Yankees against Tampa Bay today.
What has he got twenty five in the season. He's
had a really good year in the Bronx. Is he
re signing with the Yanks for five hundred million just
your gut? Or will he go across the Queens and
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maybe sign for more.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
I think he'll stay with the Yankees, but again, it's close.
I think it's a Yankees versus Mets. I think it's
like probably fifty five percent Yankees, twenty percent Mets, and
then the remaining five is everybody else. I think it's
just it's it's New York for him. He belongs in
New York. He probably belongs staying in the Bronx. But
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if they're not going to pay him, then he has
free agency and probably goes across town. And Aaron Judge
is such a team first guy that I have every
confidence that if the Steinbernners say, hey, Aaron, is that okay?
If we pay wan So no more money to keep him,
I think Aaron would say absolutely, because he wants to win.
He's already got the MVP, He's already got fifty two overs,
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he wants a title, okay. So I think Aaron Judge
will not have an issue with mon Soto making more
money than him if it gives the Yankee the best team.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Thanks for the knowledge, John Morosi from MLB Network, Fox
Sports Radio, MLB Inside It.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Thank you, John, appreciate you.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
Martin, my pleasure, my friends to look forward to catching
up at the ballpark again.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Real so no doubt, Yes, sir, all right?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Martin White says Roger Goodell should do everything in his
power to ensure the Chiefs one another Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Here we go.
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Chiefs three p would be good for the NFL. Martin
White's do you agree with Chris Jones?
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Is that way? Are you in that camp? I do
agree with Chris Joess. Okay, why is that because the
NFL needs another hero? Like when you think about that
hero is nothing but a sandwich.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
So what are you saying, all right now that we
let everybody laugh at that joke. That's right, let's get
into it. No, So, but I say the NFL needs
not the hero because it's for so long. Tom Brady
was at the top of the game, right. He had
three two distinct periods where there was felt like nobody
was beating the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Well it was nine years in between that way, he
didn't win anything. That's why I said two distincts.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Okay, all right, I remember I saw it all, but
there was two distinct periods where it felt like nobody
could beat them. And I think the league, especially the
way the NFL is set up, it works better when
there is a clear king of the mountain that everybody
is trying to knock off of the mountain. So I
think if the Kansas City Chiefs won a third Super
Bowl in a row, first of all, I think it'd
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be dope because it would be a true dynasty. But
also it would just further solidify that Patrick Mahomes is
right there at that level by himself and until like
and now, everybody's taking their best shot to knock off
the king. And when you come at the King, you
best not miss. I think from a TV show, I
think that's ridiculous. They've already won back to back. That's
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more than enough.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Nobody has done that since the Patriots right twenty years ago,
So that in itself is pretty good.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
You don't have to have.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Them win three in a row to make people feel
people think that the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes are already
that guy. That's the team every year that people pick
every year, regardless if they or not. So I don't
understand what winning another one would enhance.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
That people were not picking the Kansasy before the season started,
did they pick the Chiefs and then they watched the
first four weeks of the season, they said, Oh wow,
the receivers are catching the ball with their ralbows.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, but I'm saying going in they did pick them.
They picked them every year, even the years that they've lost,
the Chiefs have been to pick, Like the last five
years in the AFC, who else has been picked?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Who am I missing? I mean a lot of people
excluding myself, was on Baltimore last year. Okay, but most
people picked the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
They still believe in the Chiefs, right, I'm not saying
I picked Baltimore. I'm with you, but I'm talking about
the majority. Patrick Mauli wins every year. I'm Andy Weid,
I'm gonna pick them no matter what. I don't care.
I still believe in them. And all I'm saying is
them not them winning next year. Winning another one is
not going to change the way people look at Patrick Mahomes.
(34:53):
Oh yes, well, no, I'm talking about the way that
they look at him anyway. They already believe he's that guy.
It also do not believe him that that guy. It
elevates him in the conversation of the greatest.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Of all time.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I got that, But I'm saying, do they think he's
that guy? Yeah, okay, that's what I'm saying, but they
will still think. That doesn't mean you can't further increase
your that guy. No, you're talking about legacy. I get
that part, but they already believe he's that Guy's the
best quarterback in the league. Don't go, don't bet against
Patrick Mahomes. That doesn't mean you can't they solidify it. No,
but that's not what you're saying. Like they need it
(35:28):
to happen. One felt doesn't need it to happen, is
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
I said it would be a good thing for the NFL.
I didy say they needed it to happen. I think
the NFL will be.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It would be a good thing if the Baltimore Ravens
and a two time MVP and Lamar Jackson finally broke
through and won a Super Bowl. Now you might have
an idea that wow, Lamar's won one now and now
is this going to be something that we can look
forward to with Lamar and Patrick Mahomes going forward.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I think that's a better storyline.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
In this country, like seeing the same thing over and
over and over again. How many reruns do you watch
on a daily basis?
Speaker 11 (36:06):
Like?
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Why is towards reruns? Why is there and the Furiouses?
The most successful movie, so they're lazy. The most successful
movie that summer was Twisters. They were What do you
think happened in the first one? I get Twister, I
get it's all about tornadoes. Eighty point five million dollars
at box office and they can't go get anybody to
see Deadpool versus Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Why is that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I think that also it can be tiresome for the
same teams to always win. I don't think that people.
Uh it sounds good. They got a nice run. I
think people would love to see somebody fresh and new,
all right, coming up next? Yes, Gilbert Reenas said it,
and we're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
It is the odd couple stick and stay
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