February 16, 2022 • 33 mins
Chris and Rob explain why reports suggesting that the biggest reason why the Los Angeles Lakers didn't make a move at the trade deadline is because they didn't want to bail out LeBron James, Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook doesn't hold water, share their thoughts on the reports that the Dallas Cowboys paid $2.4 million to settle a voyeurism lawsuit against one of their executives and tell us why the NFL needs to stop allowing teams to internally investigate their own wrongdoings, and discuss why the Los Angeles Rams' championship parade had such low attendance.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of The Odd
Couple with Chris Brussa and Rod Harker. Let's get into
this story. It was podcast today with several of the
ESPN reporters. It's Brian Winhorse podcast The Hoop Collective, and
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he had Ramona Shelburne on and Dave mcmoniman, who covers
the Lakers for ESPN, and Ramona who's plugged in. She
said this why like the Lakers didn't make a trade
at the deadline? She said, My interpretation was that the
Lakers front office and ownership, the Lakers organization from ownership
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on down, decided, you guys got yourself into this. This
is the bed that you made Lebron James, Anthony Davis, Russell, Westbrook, Carmelo, Anthony,
Dwight Howard, all of the future Hall of famers. This
was your choice. Of roster and team. Go make it work,
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and we are not going to mortgage our future in
terms of draft picks or taking on luxury tax now
because this team isn't working yet. Go make it work. So,
according to Ramona, this was Genie Buss, Kurt Rambis, Linda Rambis,
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Rob Polka put in the foot down, Lebron. No, you
wanted this, Now make it work, and I Ramona does
a great job reporting, But Rob, I'm crying hogwash. I'm
grying hogwash. I think I'm in your camp on this.
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Go ahead. What could they have done? I mean, let's
not let's not buries the lead. There weren't a ton
of trades out there. Okay, they could have given up
Russell Westbrook for John Wall and it would have been
Russell Westbrook in their twenty twenty seven first round pick. Yeah,
I mean that's their only that's their next first round
pick that they can't give up, and so they wanted
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to keep that. Okay, fine, but that was really it.
Nobody was beating the door down for Taylor, Horton Tucker
or Kendrick Nunn. And even if they had made a move,
if you get John Wall, how much better? You know,
it makes you maybe a little better. Maybe it's additioned
by subtraction. But as we saw the other night, Russell
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isn't the only issue. He's one of the major ones, right,
not the only issue. And I just think that if
let's let's assume though it's true that the front office
an ownership stood up to these players. Well, it's a
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little late for that. I've been saying it, Rob, I've
been saying it all year. Oh you can talk about
Lebrin all. He wanted Westbrook. He had to pow wow
with Russ. He's the one that built this team. Rob
Polinka is the GM, Genie Buss is the owner. Lebron
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James is under contract for a few more years. You
can take his input, you can listen to his opinion,
but at the end of the day, the call is yours.
And if you go with what he said over what
you wanted to do, then it's still your all. Lebron
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could have picked Westbrook up, driven him to the Crypto
dot Com arena to meet with Rob Pelinka said this
is the guy I want. That would have been tampering.
But still and you still can stand up and say,
well that's nice, Lebron but you know what, I think
what's best for our team is this. That's what pat
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Riley did and Lebron won two championships with that franchise
and he's never been able to win too with another franchise.
And so Rob, I'm again, if this report is true,
which I have my doubts, then this is just an
example of what I said should have been done and
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why Lebron is ultimately not the final person to blame.
You can blame him for thinking he could make it
work when he couldn't, for wanting a guy that wasn't
a good fit, and everybody saw it. But at the
end of the day, it was the ownership and the
front office call and they went with Westbrooks. So ultimately
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there to blame. All right, that's where we're part on
that we're part there. But I agree with you that
there wasn't much to do. There was no big trade
out there, and if they had to take on so
it's the Lakers. They have the money to pay any
luxury tax, Chris. If they really felt they had a
chance to make swing a deal and make the team
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better and give it themselves a chance to win a championship.
I don't doubt that for one minute. So I have
a problem with the idea like there was some deal
out there that they passed on because they wanted to
rub Lebron's nose in it. I just don't buy it.
I don't buy that. They're about winning Chris and about
making money and making a playoff run right, and all
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the other stuff that goes with it. So why would
they be in in that vein if there was a
trade on the table right right all you're trading? Easy
to say that when you ain't got no trade right
right right there? Other than John Wall? Is that what
we really we want to take them? We're gonna take
the same issue. He ain't even playing for the Rockets,
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and we're gonna take John Wall and then have to
give up a first round pick. I'm not doing that.
Was John Wall playing an averaging thirty five Chris and
playing great, that might be a different trade. So so
I'm with you on that that that part is sketchy
to me. And like you said, she does a great job.
I'm not sitting here ripping her reporting. It just doesn't
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sound right. Um, But I hear you about them standing
up to Lebron Chris. But that's just not how these
people work nowadays. They're they're afraid of the players. The
players have again, I said Pat Rowley, Yeah, Grand Roley
was on a different plateau, right, Uh, he's on on
a different footing, like you know, he's one he's made.
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Uh and he the legend in the league. Yeah, he's
a legend in his own right. Like like like the
front office and the ownership. I'm sorry if the Lakers
they don't have that kind of standing, you know, so,
but you don't think they could. I mean, heck, Rob
Perlinka to some degree ran out Magic Johnson. Now great
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and Magic doesn't play anymore, But you talk about the legend. Yeah,
but I think I don't know if it was really him,
because I always still felt like Magic left. You remember
he wanted to get rid of um uh the coach
who went to Sacramento just uh yeah, Luke Walton. Remember
he wanted to do that. And then it was like
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she really liked Luke, and then it looked like there
was a power struggle over him. And then I just
think Magic felt like, Okay, I'm the GM or whatever,
and and I can't even get rid of the coach.
And you know, what I mean, they stood up to it. Yeah,
you stand up to mister Laker. Yeah, but he ain't
playing them. It's still a little different. And you got Lebron.
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I just think Lebron has more power than you're being
honest about. Like, no, I think he has the power.
But I know what you're saying. You know, at the
end of the day, you still can stand up to him.
I get what you're saying, but you will acknowledge that
a lot of a lot of these front office people
won't do it to these players. No, I agree, agreed,
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But but that's why I'm saying whose fault is that?
I mean, it's hard to blame a player or human
beings do that. They want to take as much as
they can get. And if you're gonna allow me to
have power beyond my standing or beyond my title, most
people are gonna take it. But it's on your leadership
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take I'm gonna take a yard, yeah you know, and
so yeah, most people, if you give them that power,
they're gonna do it. But it's up to That's why
you have leadership to say no, this isn't the route
we're going. So um but yeah, I ultimately robbed we
agree that. Here's the other thing about the Lakers. We're
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not gonna mortgage our future. The Lakers have never been
about building through the draft. Let's just really go back.
You know, when they won it, Will Chamberlain was a
free agent. We're not a free agent, but a trade.
So he wasn't like a homegrown Plerson and they won.
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He won the title, of course with Jerry West and
h Well Elgin retired, but Gail good Rich and all that.
At seventy two, uh Kareem was a trade. You know, Magic?
Somehow they got the top was it the Magic number
one and number two pick? Number one pick? I believe
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somehow they got him, even though they still were a
pretty good team. That was weird. There was some sort
of jade that they had lucked into Chris Never that
they shouldn't have. Right, And they did it again when
they got James Worthy and Magic was the first pick.
They did it again when they got James Worthy right
a few years later. But that wasn't I wouldn't call
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that building through the draft. I would call that. You know,
they were fortunate to get those picks. They had a
great team. The team wasn't built through the draft. Because
the hub was Kareem and then they go get shock
after Showtime's over right, free agent they trade for Kobe.
Through the draft, they trade for Powey. Lebron's a free agent.
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Ad is a trade you see him saying, like the
last time they tried to do it through the draft,
they had Linzo and Kuzma and Brandon Ingram and six playoffs. Right,
So this whole thing about building through the draft mortgage
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bombshell report today about the Dallas Cowboys and how they
paid They paid out two point four million dollars to
four Dallas girls or Cowboy cheerleaders for sexual harassment accusations.
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Rob g give us explained this thing a little detail
for us. Yeah, so let's go back to twenty fifteen. Now,
according to the cheer leaders, a former Cowboys exec mister Dalrymple,
I think it's Rick Dalrymple, who was there for decades,
was there for decades, thirty plus years in Dallas. Twenty fifteen,
he allegedly took his cell phone out and recorded them
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in the locker room while they were undressing. Now, according
to the Cowboys, they said at the time they did
a thorough investigation. They found no evidence of wrongdoing or
that he even recorded the women at all. However, they
still felt the need to pay off the two point
four million dollars. Yeah, it just gave away money, Rob, Yeah,
because they just felt like why not, right, exactly exactly
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and not Richard Richard Richard, I'm sorry. And then another person,
excuse me, a longtime Cowboys fan, also with Ledge. I
don't know if it was included in the same settlement
that he was taking upskirt photos with his cell phone
of a different executive that I mean, it's all We'll
go ahead and finish, because I want to get to
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that well last, but not least. You know, obviously you
would think he'd get let go or suspending any kind
of way when that happn. No, he actually continued working
after the settlement was paid out for several years and
then he retired. When he retired, let's just take this
over what you will. The Cowboys did not thank him,
did not address him in any official capacity. He just
kind of left and he retired. He shouldn't been fired,
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but they here's the issue. They let him work for
him for six more years after these accusations and after
the payment yep. And then he only got or he
only resigned once ESPN started doing an investigation right correct
and started asking questions. So it wasn't about they were
gonna find. The reason that he resigned is because ESPN
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was gonna bring attention to this matter. And the reason
that the Cowboys didn't send out any statement or whatever
is because they wanted him to go away quietly. It
wasn't because they were disappointed with him, because they all,
we gotta get rid of him. Look at what he did.
It was none of that. They only did it because
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they knew this story was coming out. And Rob, I mean,
all of these accusations are are ridiculous that this guy
would do that. Um, but the upskirt, now, the details
of that, Rob are that the Cowboys. It was during
the draft, right, Rob, Gi. During the draft, their team
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was in the war room and in there was Jerry
Jones's daughter and they they were broadcasting their war room
on Facebook. And I wasn't Facebook, Yeah, Facebook, And so
for everybody to see and allegedly this guy Rich Dalrymple
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still Rob was taking photos up skirt photos. So he's
getting getting his phone up under Jerry Jones's you know,
daughter's dressed somehow like you know, taking pictures. I guess
he wants to go look at later. So that that
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should be easy to see. That should be and Roger
getting here if you want, but that shouldn't be difficult
to find out. I would imagine they can get a
copy of that stream or whatever. And I do think
the cowboys came out and said they couldn't find anything
on it, right, Yeah, they said he was using his
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phone for something else and that people might have assumed
that he was taking up Okay, yeah, well I will
just say that, do you really think I mean, maybe was,
but this dude's stupid enough to do that on a
live stream to the owner's daughter. Yes, Chris, you say that,
and I know what you're saying, which makes sense for
somebody who's not warm or not demented or not like
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like like these are what you're talking about, what he's
doing to get snap pictures. If these are these allegations
are all true, then he would be warped and it
wouldn't matter who came in the room and just that
it was a female and he was trying to get
a look sie. You know, like like like you're you're
what you're saying is for somebody logical, right, you would
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be like, I'm not gonna mess around with the boss's
daughter and do it in front of a crop, no,
right on TV or a live stream on Facebook. But
you see people do crazy stuff all the time, and
you go every ounce of the place is covered by cameras.
What are you doing right? And people do it right,
people do it so yeah, I'm just I'm just bothered
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by the whole idea. And shame on the cowboys, Shame
on Jerry Jones that you would keep a person Chris
around that long after those kind of allegan something's wrong there,
and and then you know to just have them, you know,
quietly walk away because they're doing journalism and they're digging,
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and they got if there's nothing there, stand up with him.
Jerry stand up and says obviously something Well that's what
I'm saying. And they and they made a payment, so
if he was exonerated, there is no payment. We didn't
find any any truth to this. We're not paying a dime.
Let me let me throw something else out, logical, rob
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can we do? And it's sad that it has to
come to this because you would think that a corporation
and some dude, we we we had a situation rob
at one of our places of employment where they did
an internal investigation right and got rid of somebody who
was very good at his job, who's this well, so
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at one of our cup. I'm not gonna say right right,
oh yeah, but you know what I'm talking about. And
so there are companies that will do a real legitimate investigation.
But I just think in the world of sports, now
we've seen enough. Can we do away with the internal
investigations and have an objective outside team come in and
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do an investigation and do a real thorough job. There's
nothing do. The Washington Conners don't get to investigate themselves exactly.
You know, the Dallas cowboy don't get to investigate themselves.
The Dallas Mavericks remember they had issues too, don't get
to investigate themselves. An objective outside investigation they come in
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and do it. Period. I agree. I mean that's only
where you're gonna get it whenever people are involved and
you don't want the organization to look bad. And Chris,
if more stuff comes out, that two point four million
dollars settlement might be eight million or ten millions. Yeah,
you know what I mean, Like if it's worse, so
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you try to you know, quieted down bad Rob, Like
if he was taking photos and videos of the Cowboys
cheerleaders getting undressed and dressed, that, to me, I would
think that'd be worth way more than because they said
each each cheerleader guys about about three hundred or about
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four hundred thousand dollars eat right, I think that would
be worth way more than that. Like if that was
my wife or if that was my daughter and somebody's
taking videos of them getting up, that's gonna be worth
a lot more than four hundred thousand dollars. No, I
get it, but I don't know how much of it
that they had, you know, like there's a whole thing
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a burden to proof. You don't want to Would you
take a settlement because the four hundred thousand or go
to court. No, I'm not having in them and have
a chance of a jury not saying well it's inconclusive,
and have one person on the jury say that they
can't go with it, you know what I mean, Like, no,
I hear you. I'm just saying. On the cowboys side, though,
they're looking at it like, yeah, we'll give them two millions.
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Oh yeah, you know what I mean and make it
go away, and that to them, that's not that big
of a Cowboys. In the investigation, they took rich dal
rymples uh phone. His company paid the phone that he
got from the company, right, But and I don't know,
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maybe that was his only phone. But when they the cheerleaders,
are like, well get this. Does he have personal phones?
Get those? And they said, well, we asked him, and
he said this is the only phone he had. I mean,
maybe it was, But I'm just saying, can you gi
dig a little deeper? And if you're doing that, and again,
you're right, maybe the dude is perverted. He doesn't think logically.
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But you would think, Rob, if you're gonna do that,
would you do it on the company phone? On your
private phone? You're right? But as John Gruden who sent
those emails on company email, right, you would say, use
your own email. Why would you put that? Uh, that's
ESPN dot com. That's their email. They have access to that. Chris.
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We all have company emails, right, you put anything on it,
they catch you with porn or anything you're in trouble
on a company email. Can't do that. It's crazy. But
I don't know if they could have gone back Chris
subpoenaed his phone and you know, and maybe try to
go on the cloud and see what pictures are up there.
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You know what I mean? Like when you take pictures.
They're automatically set up to a cloud. So depending on
what kind of phone it was. I don't know what
the investigation was, but there's a way of tracing. They
do it all the time with people on computers when
they kill people. I watched forensic files all the time,
and they'll go in there, Chris, and you wiped out
the memory, right, and they can still go and retrieve it.
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And it'll be like how to cover up a murder?
How to point you're like, you're you're googling it out
of poison somebody and cover up these signs that they
were poisoned, right, and then you just spouse wounds up poisoned.
That's why was it Hillary Clinton? Remember they destroyed all
those computers or something like that to get destroyed all
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those for emails and something like I might be getting
the mixed up, but just just that's why people absolutely
destroy cell phone Tom Brady and destroyed. They don't just oh,
let me clear in my history, right, and it's like
you destroy it. So there's absolutely but there still might
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be a way. Who know, it would seem like it
because that cloud is that cloud is dangerous, man. That
cloud is like in the Cloud and the Cloud Man,
no doubt. And for those who might say, all and
I don't think anybody out there is saying that what
he was doing was okay. But for those might say
some of this is, oh, it's it's boys being boys
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locker rooms. You gotta you if you feel that way,
you've got to think of the women in your life.
Ye Again, if it was the absolutely like my my
daughters and wife work, I'd hate to think they're going
into an environment like this where they have to be
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subject to foolishness like that. Nobody deserves that. And so
if that is a culture somewhere has got to change.
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All right, Rob, a lot of Look, the Rams celebrated
and we made some jokes. They celebrated their parade today,
and they are getting roasted on social media because people
are talking about how, you know, few people attended their parade,
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and let's look, it's not like nobody's there. There are
a decent number of people there, but you know, we've
seen the estimate. Rob. In twenty fifteen, Chicago Cubs five
million fans, five million people on the estimate. As estimate
the Lakers in twenty ten, the estimate was two million. Wow,
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So I don't know what yet. The estimate of this
is the millions, I'll tell you that. No, And kudos
props to Hollywood. You saw the Hollywood sign was changed
to Ram's house. Ye, so they're getting some love. I
don't want the players, and I would say this about
anything team. I'm not like a Rams fan or anything,
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but the players should be celebrate Rob. One thing I
sometimes feel like in today's society is that we don't
step back and take time to celebrate the champions. And
you said this, you know what, I mean? What did
you said? You said this about one of the baseball champs?
Was that yeah, I can't remember what? Yeah? Yeah, I
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mean that seems like we're just onto the next one
right now. They got power rankings already for next season
and on a free agency and you know who's going here,
who's going there. Let's celebrate the champion and let them
bask for a little while. That's all I'm saying. I mean, right,
that's all I'm saying, No, I get it. And and Chris,
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you know this day and age where everything is. In
the old days, it would be just a little footage
of it. You wouldn't see it over you got social media.
People are streaming it live and they see the spaces
and the wide shots of it. Chris, You're like, where
are the people now? I was down there in that
area because it's right near usc Coliseum, right, so, um
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a lot of the students and a lot of people
down there. Was it a traffic jam? Did you? You know?
It wasn't like the different No. I mean there were
some traffic, but not not crazy when you couldn't get around.
And some of the students asked me, you know, I
was in the newsroom, Chris, and some of them are like,
should I go over? Because they could walk there from campus, right,
you could just walk there. And then and I was like, yeah,
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I think you should go. I said, parades don't happen
every day. These are young kids. And then then nineteen
and twenty, Chris, right, so the last parade and out
there the weather's terrific. Yeah, And I'm like, this is
like an experience of happening. You should take part in it.
Chris and I have covered a parade in New York.
Just take your tape and millions of people on the
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street and you're going down Broadway. Chris, It's it's phenomenal,
am I right, the phenomenal the Yankees World Series in
ninety eight, when the Canyon, the Heroes and I just
got into New York, I just started working for the
New York When that paper starts coming down from the
you know, buildings or whatever, it is incredible, So I
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think you should. But today's was disappointing. And not only
that we talked about the numbers of the Super Bowl, Chris,
LA wasn't even in the top ten of viewership for
individual cities. That's incredible to me. Well, look, and that's
why I think even this parade and now the Lakers
are a different story because they're such an institution, right,
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and the Dodgers exactly. But some of this was just LA.
I mean, let's just keep it real. The Rams and
we we were talking who were we talking with about
this last week? Rob? The Rams. I When I was
a kid growing up in the Midwest, the Rams were
the La Rams, and I associated them with LA. I
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actually liked them, I were my favorite team, but I
did like them from Afar, and I don't know why
LA doesn't embraced the Ram. They embraced the Raiders more
than the ramsh this is the Raiders town, Chris. Why
I don't understand why? Sorry, right, I don't understand. I
don't know why. Why wouldn't you like the Rams if
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you're in LA? I get it why you don't. The
Chargers don't have much of a following. Okay, they you
know they're in San Diego, all that, you got another table,
But I don't get why you wouldn't be all up
into the Rams. Yeah, I agree. From this time, I
understand the Chargers. I do. I do understand the Chargers
because they're not from here. They don't have a history.
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The Rams are originally from La. Uh and even though
they went to Saint Louis, Chris, they're they're LA team, right,
and so it is strange that people and the Raiders
had their own history in Oakland. We talked about it before.
I think as Oakland, if I if I think of
him as Oakland or ok, I don't think of him
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as LA obviously not yet Vegas. I mean I will
come over time. But I think it him is the
Oakland Raiders, right, and Chris, we got some numbers. So
they're saying the La Kings had three hundred thousand fans
for their parade in two fourteen. Obviously there's a pandemic amount, no,
but but three hundred thousand. So based on the pictures,
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like you know, when they try to look and compare,
they think that that the Rams had less than one
hundred thousand. That that's how small it was numbers wise,
So that's a small number for a city of this size. Still,
it's the middle of the week. It doesn't matter. Parade
is a parade when the team wins a championship. So
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that's strange. But I wonder, Chris, I do want to ask,
is it the pandemic. Is it that they're new back
to LA and I'm talking about the Rams or whatever?
Or is it that parades or pass Do people still
go to the Thanksgiving Day parade? Do fans still enjoy
parades being in crowds or have we been desensitized from them, Chris?
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Or or because of the last two years and what
you know what I mean, like people don't want to
take their mask down? Do you want to be in
a big crowd like that. Does that keep people in
LA is one of the more stringent, stringent Yeah, places
when it comes to I think that has a lot
to do with it, because you know you're gonna restaurant,
you gotta have your your parents, Chris, I'm going to
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a restaurant tonight, you gotta have your paper. And look,
I'm I'm really not that. I've just really have not
been very concerned about COVID. I mean, I've done my
due diligence. I've got back what you're supposed to do, right,
I've been boosted all that. I wear my mask when
I need to, But I'm not I'm really not afraid,
concerned and thinking about it at all. Really. Um But
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my wife, I've been I've been all over the country
right right, and I haven't gotten it, you know, and
you haven't gotten you you haven't gotten it. Um. But
my wife, on the other hand, she's not like paranoid
to death where she's not doing anything. But she is
more concerned about it than me. And she would not
rob Like if I wanted to go to the parade,
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she wouldn't go. She I don't think she to put
herself in that position, right, That's what I'm saying. There's
some people. I do think there's a lot of people
like that, So I think that I'm gonna go with that.
I think that has something to do with it. I
think the fact that the rams aren't wildly popular has
something to do with it. Definitely, we agree with that, yes,
no question, no question. But I do think the pandemic
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as well, rob does have something to do it. Not
about a parade as a as a parade Christian General
pass or no. Fans still want to be able to
experience it with their team, because that's what I really
would like to hear, would if you could go in
that because I don't think it's I don't even think
it's close to pass because again, I think a lot
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of other cities proved that point. Right. They get millions, Yeah,
I mean, and I think smallstees like Cleveland. I don't
know what the numbers were. They say it over a million,
maybe one point two, huge, Chris. Greater Cleveland's like two
million people, right, a little over two millions, So to
get half point two wow, Yes, more than half the
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people are half the people in Greater Cleveland attended the
Calves parade in twenty sixteen. So it's gonna be different
in smaller cities versus bigger cities, particularly bigger cities like
in La of Miami, you know, where there's so much
other stuff to do, beaches and all that. But no,
I don't think rob that in anyone, do you. I
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don't know. I don't. I don't know. Like the younger generation, Chris,
those were traditional things. Like as we get older, there
were kids who or twenty I've never been to a
parade or whatever. I don't know that, like the ever
been to well, other than covering the Yankees or covering
a parade, right, I've always covered it too. I've never like,
I never went to the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. Maybe
(32:53):
as a kid, I don't remember. I can't say I
never went. I'm taking me once or twice. I can't
say that. Um, But as an adult, I'm with you.
I don't go to parades. And maybe because of the
business and what we do, do you know what I mean?
So I think that's why I don't go. But I've
been to. I went when the Pistons won the championship
in two thousand and four. Christian was incredible Downtown Detroit.
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It was nuts, and the and the parade route down
Woodward Avenue was just an incredible spectacle to see and
people going crazy for that team. And you know, the
Red Wings of one Stanley Cups. I've been the parades
for them, so I've been on a number of parades,
but this one was disappointing. I was shocked at how
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small it was.
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Couple with Chris Brussa and Rod Harker. Let's get into
this story. It was podcast today with several of the
ESPN reporters. It's Brian Winhorse podcast The Hoop Collective, and
(00:43):
he had Ramona Shelburne on and Dave mcmoniman, who covers
the Lakers for ESPN, and Ramona who's plugged in. She
said this why like the Lakers didn't make a trade
at the deadline? She said, My interpretation was that the
Lakers front office and ownership, the Lakers organization from ownership
(01:07):
on down, decided, you guys got yourself into this. This
is the bed that you made Lebron James, Anthony Davis, Russell, Westbrook, Carmelo, Anthony,
Dwight Howard, all of the future Hall of famers. This
was your choice. Of roster and team. Go make it work,
(01:28):
and we are not going to mortgage our future in
terms of draft picks or taking on luxury tax now
because this team isn't working yet. Go make it work. So,
according to Ramona, this was Genie Buss, Kurt Rambis, Linda Rambis,
(01:49):
Rob Polka put in the foot down, Lebron. No, you
wanted this, Now make it work, and I Ramona does
a great job reporting, But Rob, I'm crying hogwash. I'm
grying hogwash. I think I'm in your camp on this.
(02:09):
Go ahead. What could they have done? I mean, let's
not let's not buries the lead. There weren't a ton
of trades out there. Okay, they could have given up
Russell Westbrook for John Wall and it would have been
Russell Westbrook in their twenty twenty seven first round pick. Yeah,
I mean that's their only that's their next first round
pick that they can't give up, and so they wanted
(02:32):
to keep that. Okay, fine, but that was really it.
Nobody was beating the door down for Taylor, Horton Tucker
or Kendrick Nunn. And even if they had made a move,
if you get John Wall, how much better? You know,
it makes you maybe a little better. Maybe it's additioned
by subtraction. But as we saw the other night, Russell
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isn't the only issue. He's one of the major ones, right,
not the only issue. And I just think that if
let's let's assume though it's true that the front office
an ownership stood up to these players. Well, it's a
(03:14):
little late for that. I've been saying it, Rob, I've
been saying it all year. Oh you can talk about
Lebrin all. He wanted Westbrook. He had to pow wow
with Russ. He's the one that built this team. Rob
Polinka is the GM, Genie Buss is the owner. Lebron
(03:37):
James is under contract for a few more years. You
can take his input, you can listen to his opinion,
but at the end of the day, the call is yours.
And if you go with what he said over what
you wanted to do, then it's still your all. Lebron
(04:02):
could have picked Westbrook up, driven him to the Crypto
dot Com arena to meet with Rob Pelinka said this
is the guy I want. That would have been tampering.
But still and you still can stand up and say,
well that's nice, Lebron but you know what, I think
what's best for our team is this. That's what pat
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Riley did and Lebron won two championships with that franchise
and he's never been able to win too with another franchise.
And so Rob, I'm again, if this report is true,
which I have my doubts, then this is just an
example of what I said should have been done and
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why Lebron is ultimately not the final person to blame.
You can blame him for thinking he could make it
work when he couldn't, for wanting a guy that wasn't
a good fit, and everybody saw it. But at the
end of the day, it was the ownership and the
front office call and they went with Westbrooks. So ultimately
(05:07):
there to blame. All right, that's where we're part on
that we're part there. But I agree with you that
there wasn't much to do. There was no big trade
out there, and if they had to take on so
it's the Lakers. They have the money to pay any
luxury tax, Chris. If they really felt they had a
chance to make swing a deal and make the team
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better and give it themselves a chance to win a championship.
I don't doubt that for one minute. So I have
a problem with the idea like there was some deal
out there that they passed on because they wanted to
rub Lebron's nose in it. I just don't buy it.
I don't buy that. They're about winning Chris and about
making money and making a playoff run right, and all
(05:50):
the other stuff that goes with it. So why would
they be in in that vein if there was a
trade on the table right right all you're trading? Easy
to say that when you ain't got no trade right
right right there? Other than John Wall? Is that what
we really we want to take them? We're gonna take
the same issue. He ain't even playing for the Rockets,
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and we're gonna take John Wall and then have to
give up a first round pick. I'm not doing that.
Was John Wall playing an averaging thirty five Chris and
playing great, that might be a different trade. So so
I'm with you on that that that part is sketchy
to me. And like you said, she does a great job.
I'm not sitting here ripping her reporting. It just doesn't
(06:34):
sound right. Um, But I hear you about them standing
up to Lebron Chris. But that's just not how these
people work nowadays. They're they're afraid of the players. The
players have again, I said Pat Rowley, Yeah, Grand Roley
was on a different plateau, right, Uh, he's on on
a different footing, like you know, he's one he's made.
(06:58):
Uh and he the legend in the league. Yeah, he's
a legend in his own right. Like like like the
front office and the ownership. I'm sorry if the Lakers
they don't have that kind of standing, you know, so,
but you don't think they could. I mean, heck, Rob
Perlinka to some degree ran out Magic Johnson. Now great
(07:19):
and Magic doesn't play anymore, But you talk about the legend. Yeah,
but I think I don't know if it was really him,
because I always still felt like Magic left. You remember
he wanted to get rid of um uh the coach
who went to Sacramento just uh yeah, Luke Walton. Remember
he wanted to do that. And then it was like
(07:40):
she really liked Luke, and then it looked like there
was a power struggle over him. And then I just
think Magic felt like, Okay, I'm the GM or whatever,
and and I can't even get rid of the coach.
And you know, what I mean, they stood up to it. Yeah,
you stand up to mister Laker. Yeah, but he ain't
playing them. It's still a little different. And you got Lebron.
(08:01):
I just think Lebron has more power than you're being
honest about. Like, no, I think he has the power.
But I know what you're saying. You know, at the
end of the day, you still can stand up to him.
I get what you're saying, but you will acknowledge that
a lot of a lot of these front office people
won't do it to these players. No, I agree, agreed,
(08:22):
But but that's why I'm saying whose fault is that?
I mean, it's hard to blame a player or human
beings do that. They want to take as much as
they can get. And if you're gonna allow me to
have power beyond my standing or beyond my title, most
people are gonna take it. But it's on your leadership
(08:47):
take I'm gonna take a yard, yeah you know, and
so yeah, most people, if you give them that power,
they're gonna do it. But it's up to That's why
you have leadership to say no, this isn't the route
we're going. So um but yeah, I ultimately robbed we
agree that. Here's the other thing about the Lakers. We're
(09:09):
not gonna mortgage our future. The Lakers have never been
about building through the draft. Let's just really go back.
You know, when they won it, Will Chamberlain was a
free agent. We're not a free agent, but a trade.
So he wasn't like a homegrown Plerson and they won.
(09:31):
He won the title, of course with Jerry West and
h Well Elgin retired, but Gail good Rich and all that.
At seventy two, uh Kareem was a trade. You know, Magic?
Somehow they got the top was it the Magic number
one and number two pick? Number one pick? I believe
(09:51):
somehow they got him, even though they still were a
pretty good team. That was weird. There was some sort
of jade that they had lucked into Chris Never that
they shouldn't have. Right, And they did it again when
they got James Worthy and Magic was the first pick.
They did it again when they got James Worthy right
a few years later. But that wasn't I wouldn't call
(10:12):
that building through the draft. I would call that. You know,
they were fortunate to get those picks. They had a
great team. The team wasn't built through the draft. Because
the hub was Kareem and then they go get shock
after Showtime's over right, free agent they trade for Kobe.
Through the draft, they trade for Powey. Lebron's a free agent.
(10:33):
Ad is a trade you see him saying, like the
last time they tried to do it through the draft,
they had Linzo and Kuzma and Brandon Ingram and six playoffs. Right,
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bombshell report today about the Dallas Cowboys and how they
paid They paid out two point four million dollars to
four Dallas girls or Cowboy cheerleaders for sexual harassment accusations.
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Rob g give us explained this thing a little detail
for us. Yeah, so let's go back to twenty fifteen. Now,
according to the cheer leaders, a former Cowboys exec mister Dalrymple,
I think it's Rick Dalrymple, who was there for decades,
was there for decades, thirty plus years in Dallas. Twenty fifteen,
he allegedly took his cell phone out and recorded them
(12:22):
in the locker room while they were undressing. Now, according
to the Cowboys, they said at the time they did
a thorough investigation. They found no evidence of wrongdoing or
that he even recorded the women at all. However, they
still felt the need to pay off the two point
four million dollars. Yeah, it just gave away money, Rob, Yeah,
because they just felt like why not, right, exactly exactly
(12:44):
and not Richard Richard Richard, I'm sorry. And then another person,
excuse me, a longtime Cowboys fan, also with Ledge. I
don't know if it was included in the same settlement
that he was taking upskirt photos with his cell phone
of a different executive that I mean, it's all We'll
go ahead and finish, because I want to get to
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that well last, but not least. You know, obviously you
would think he'd get let go or suspending any kind
of way when that happn. No, he actually continued working
after the settlement was paid out for several years and
then he retired. When he retired, let's just take this
over what you will. The Cowboys did not thank him,
did not address him in any official capacity. He just
kind of left and he retired. He shouldn't been fired,
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but they here's the issue. They let him work for
him for six more years after these accusations and after
the payment yep. And then he only got or he
only resigned once ESPN started doing an investigation right correct
and started asking questions. So it wasn't about they were
gonna find. The reason that he resigned is because ESPN
(13:52):
was gonna bring attention to this matter. And the reason
that the Cowboys didn't send out any statement or whatever
is because they wanted him to go away quietly. It
wasn't because they were disappointed with him, because they all,
we gotta get rid of him. Look at what he did.
It was none of that. They only did it because
(14:14):
they knew this story was coming out. And Rob, I mean,
all of these accusations are are ridiculous that this guy
would do that. Um, but the upskirt, now, the details
of that, Rob are that the Cowboys. It was during
the draft, right, Rob, Gi. During the draft, their team
(14:36):
was in the war room and in there was Jerry
Jones's daughter and they they were broadcasting their war room
on Facebook. And I wasn't Facebook, Yeah, Facebook, And so
for everybody to see and allegedly this guy Rich Dalrymple
(14:56):
still Rob was taking photos up skirt photos. So he's
getting getting his phone up under Jerry Jones's you know,
daughter's dressed somehow like you know, taking pictures. I guess
he wants to go look at later. So that that
(15:17):
should be easy to see. That should be and Roger
getting here if you want, but that shouldn't be difficult
to find out. I would imagine they can get a
copy of that stream or whatever. And I do think
the cowboys came out and said they couldn't find anything
on it, right, Yeah, they said he was using his
(15:38):
phone for something else and that people might have assumed
that he was taking up Okay, yeah, well I will
just say that, do you really think I mean, maybe was,
but this dude's stupid enough to do that on a
live stream to the owner's daughter. Yes, Chris, you say that,
and I know what you're saying, which makes sense for
somebody who's not warm or not demented or not like
(16:02):
like like these are what you're talking about, what he's
doing to get snap pictures. If these are these allegations
are all true, then he would be warped and it
wouldn't matter who came in the room and just that
it was a female and he was trying to get
a look sie. You know, like like like you're you're
what you're saying is for somebody logical, right, you would
(16:24):
be like, I'm not gonna mess around with the boss's
daughter and do it in front of a crop, no,
right on TV or a live stream on Facebook. But
you see people do crazy stuff all the time, and
you go every ounce of the place is covered by cameras.
What are you doing right? And people do it right,
people do it so yeah, I'm just I'm just bothered
(16:48):
by the whole idea. And shame on the cowboys, Shame
on Jerry Jones that you would keep a person Chris
around that long after those kind of allegan something's wrong there,
and and then you know to just have them, you know,
quietly walk away because they're doing journalism and they're digging,
(17:12):
and they got if there's nothing there, stand up with him.
Jerry stand up and says obviously something Well that's what
I'm saying. And they and they made a payment, so
if he was exonerated, there is no payment. We didn't
find any any truth to this. We're not paying a dime.
Let me let me throw something else out, logical, rob
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can we do? And it's sad that it has to
come to this because you would think that a corporation
and some dude, we we we had a situation rob
at one of our places of employment where they did
an internal investigation right and got rid of somebody who
was very good at his job, who's this well, so
(17:55):
at one of our cup. I'm not gonna say right right,
oh yeah, but you know what I'm talking about. And
so there are companies that will do a real legitimate investigation.
But I just think in the world of sports, now
we've seen enough. Can we do away with the internal
investigations and have an objective outside team come in and
(18:19):
do an investigation and do a real thorough job. There's
nothing do. The Washington Conners don't get to investigate themselves exactly.
You know, the Dallas cowboy don't get to investigate themselves.
The Dallas Mavericks remember they had issues too, don't get
to investigate themselves. An objective outside investigation they come in
(18:40):
and do it. Period. I agree. I mean that's only
where you're gonna get it whenever people are involved and
you don't want the organization to look bad. And Chris,
if more stuff comes out, that two point four million
dollars settlement might be eight million or ten millions. Yeah,
you know what I mean, Like if it's worse, so
(19:01):
you try to you know, quieted down bad Rob, Like
if he was taking photos and videos of the Cowboys
cheerleaders getting undressed and dressed, that, to me, I would
think that'd be worth way more than because they said
each each cheerleader guys about about three hundred or about
(19:23):
four hundred thousand dollars eat right, I think that would
be worth way more than that. Like if that was
my wife or if that was my daughter and somebody's
taking videos of them getting up, that's gonna be worth
a lot more than four hundred thousand dollars. No, I
get it, but I don't know how much of it
that they had, you know, like there's a whole thing
(19:45):
a burden to proof. You don't want to Would you
take a settlement because the four hundred thousand or go
to court. No, I'm not having in them and have
a chance of a jury not saying well it's inconclusive,
and have one person on the jury say that they
can't go with it, you know what I mean, Like, no,
I hear you. I'm just saying. On the cowboys side, though,
they're looking at it like, yeah, we'll give them two millions.
(20:05):
Oh yeah, you know what I mean and make it
go away, and that to them, that's not that big
of a Cowboys. In the investigation, they took rich dal
rymples uh phone. His company paid the phone that he
got from the company, right, But and I don't know,
(20:26):
maybe that was his only phone. But when they the cheerleaders,
are like, well get this. Does he have personal phones?
Get those? And they said, well, we asked him, and
he said this is the only phone he had. I mean,
maybe it was, But I'm just saying, can you gi
dig a little deeper? And if you're doing that, and again,
you're right, maybe the dude is perverted. He doesn't think logically.
(20:50):
But you would think, Rob, if you're gonna do that,
would you do it on the company phone? On your
private phone? You're right? But as John Gruden who sent
those emails on company email, right, you would say, use
your own email. Why would you put that? Uh, that's
ESPN dot com. That's their email. They have access to that. Chris.
(21:12):
We all have company emails, right, you put anything on it,
they catch you with porn or anything you're in trouble
on a company email. Can't do that. It's crazy. But
I don't know if they could have gone back Chris
subpoenaed his phone and you know, and maybe try to
go on the cloud and see what pictures are up there.
(21:34):
You know what I mean? Like when you take pictures.
They're automatically set up to a cloud. So depending on
what kind of phone it was. I don't know what
the investigation was, but there's a way of tracing. They
do it all the time with people on computers when
they kill people. I watched forensic files all the time,
and they'll go in there, Chris, and you wiped out
the memory, right, and they can still go and retrieve it.
(21:56):
And it'll be like how to cover up a murder?
How to point you're like, you're you're googling it out
of poison somebody and cover up these signs that they
were poisoned, right, and then you just spouse wounds up poisoned.
That's why was it Hillary Clinton? Remember they destroyed all
those computers or something like that to get destroyed all
(22:18):
those for emails and something like I might be getting
the mixed up, but just just that's why people absolutely
destroy cell phone Tom Brady and destroyed. They don't just oh,
let me clear in my history, right, and it's like
you destroy it. So there's absolutely but there still might
(22:38):
be a way. Who know, it would seem like it
because that cloud is that cloud is dangerous, man. That
cloud is like in the Cloud and the Cloud Man,
no doubt. And for those who might say, all and
I don't think anybody out there is saying that what
he was doing was okay. But for those might say
some of this is, oh, it's it's boys being boys
(23:00):
locker rooms. You gotta you if you feel that way,
you've got to think of the women in your life.
Ye Again, if it was the absolutely like my my
daughters and wife work, I'd hate to think they're going
into an environment like this where they have to be
(23:23):
subject to foolishness like that. Nobody deserves that. And so
if that is a culture somewhere has got to change.
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All right, Rob, a lot of Look, the Rams celebrated
and we made some jokes. They celebrated their parade today,
and they are getting roasted on social media because people
are talking about how, you know, few people attended their parade,
(24:05):
and let's look, it's not like nobody's there. There are
a decent number of people there, but you know, we've
seen the estimate. Rob. In twenty fifteen, Chicago Cubs five
million fans, five million people on the estimate. As estimate
the Lakers in twenty ten, the estimate was two million. Wow,
(24:26):
So I don't know what yet. The estimate of this
is the millions, I'll tell you that. No, And kudos
props to Hollywood. You saw the Hollywood sign was changed
to Ram's house. Ye, so they're getting some love. I
don't want the players, and I would say this about
anything team. I'm not like a Rams fan or anything,
(24:47):
but the players should be celebrate Rob. One thing I
sometimes feel like in today's society is that we don't
step back and take time to celebrate the champions. And
you said this, you know what, I mean? What did
you said? You said this about one of the baseball champs?
Was that yeah, I can't remember what? Yeah? Yeah, I
(25:08):
mean that seems like we're just onto the next one
right now. They got power rankings already for next season
and on a free agency and you know who's going here,
who's going there. Let's celebrate the champion and let them
bask for a little while. That's all I'm saying. I mean, right,
that's all I'm saying, No, I get it. And and Chris,
(25:30):
you know this day and age where everything is. In
the old days, it would be just a little footage
of it. You wouldn't see it over you got social media.
People are streaming it live and they see the spaces
and the wide shots of it. Chris, You're like, where
are the people now? I was down there in that
area because it's right near usc Coliseum, right, so, um
(25:55):
a lot of the students and a lot of people
down there. Was it a traffic jam? Did you? You know?
It wasn't like the different No. I mean there were
some traffic, but not not crazy when you couldn't get around.
And some of the students asked me, you know, I
was in the newsroom, Chris, and some of them are like,
should I go over? Because they could walk there from campus, right,
you could just walk there. And then and I was like, yeah,
(26:15):
I think you should go. I said, parades don't happen
every day. These are young kids. And then then nineteen
and twenty, Chris, right, so the last parade and out
there the weather's terrific. Yeah, And I'm like, this is
like an experience of happening. You should take part in it.
Chris and I have covered a parade in New York.
Just take your tape and millions of people on the
(26:37):
street and you're going down Broadway. Chris, It's it's phenomenal,
am I right, the phenomenal the Yankees World Series in
ninety eight, when the Canyon, the Heroes and I just
got into New York, I just started working for the
New York When that paper starts coming down from the
you know, buildings or whatever, it is incredible, So I
(26:59):
think you should. But today's was disappointing. And not only
that we talked about the numbers of the Super Bowl, Chris,
LA wasn't even in the top ten of viewership for
individual cities. That's incredible to me. Well, look, and that's
why I think even this parade and now the Lakers
are a different story because they're such an institution, right,
(27:21):
and the Dodgers exactly. But some of this was just LA.
I mean, let's just keep it real. The Rams and
we we were talking who were we talking with about
this last week? Rob? The Rams. I When I was
a kid growing up in the Midwest, the Rams were
the La Rams, and I associated them with LA. I
(27:44):
actually liked them, I were my favorite team, but I
did like them from Afar, and I don't know why
LA doesn't embraced the Ram. They embraced the Raiders more
than the ramsh this is the Raiders town, Chris. Why
I don't understand why? Sorry, right, I don't understand. I
don't know why. Why wouldn't you like the Rams if
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you're in LA? I get it why you don't. The
Chargers don't have much of a following. Okay, they you
know they're in San Diego, all that, you got another table,
But I don't get why you wouldn't be all up
into the Rams. Yeah, I agree. From this time, I
understand the Chargers. I do. I do understand the Chargers
because they're not from here. They don't have a history.
(28:29):
The Rams are originally from La. Uh and even though
they went to Saint Louis, Chris, they're they're LA team, right,
and so it is strange that people and the Raiders
had their own history in Oakland. We talked about it before.
I think as Oakland, if I if I think of
him as Oakland or ok, I don't think of him
(28:50):
as LA obviously not yet Vegas. I mean I will
come over time. But I think it him is the
Oakland Raiders, right, and Chris, we got some numbers. So
they're saying the La Kings had three hundred thousand fans
for their parade in two fourteen. Obviously there's a pandemic amount, no,
but but three hundred thousand. So based on the pictures,
(29:12):
like you know, when they try to look and compare,
they think that that the Rams had less than one
hundred thousand. That that's how small it was numbers wise,
So that's a small number for a city of this size. Still,
it's the middle of the week. It doesn't matter. Parade
is a parade when the team wins a championship. So
(29:33):
that's strange. But I wonder, Chris, I do want to ask,
is it the pandemic. Is it that they're new back
to LA and I'm talking about the Rams or whatever?
Or is it that parades or pass Do people still
go to the Thanksgiving Day parade? Do fans still enjoy
parades being in crowds or have we been desensitized from them, Chris?
(29:57):
Or or because of the last two years and what
you know what I mean, like people don't want to
take their mask down? Do you want to be in
a big crowd like that. Does that keep people in
LA is one of the more stringent, stringent Yeah, places
when it comes to I think that has a lot
to do with it, because you know you're gonna restaurant,
you gotta have your your parents, Chris, I'm going to
(30:19):
a restaurant tonight, you gotta have your paper. And look,
I'm I'm really not that. I've just really have not
been very concerned about COVID. I mean, I've done my
due diligence. I've got back what you're supposed to do, right,
I've been boosted all that. I wear my mask when
I need to, But I'm not I'm really not afraid,
concerned and thinking about it at all. Really. Um But
(30:42):
my wife, I've been I've been all over the country
right right, and I haven't gotten it, you know, and
you haven't gotten you you haven't gotten it. Um. But
my wife, on the other hand, she's not like paranoid
to death where she's not doing anything. But she is
more concerned about it than me. And she would not
rob Like if I wanted to go to the parade,
(31:02):
she wouldn't go. She I don't think she to put
herself in that position, right, That's what I'm saying. There's
some people. I do think there's a lot of people
like that, So I think that I'm gonna go with that.
I think that has something to do with it. I
think the fact that the rams aren't wildly popular has
something to do with it. Definitely, we agree with that, yes,
no question, no question. But I do think the pandemic
(31:25):
as well, rob does have something to do it. Not
about a parade as a as a parade Christian General
pass or no. Fans still want to be able to
experience it with their team, because that's what I really
would like to hear, would if you could go in
that because I don't think it's I don't even think
it's close to pass because again, I think a lot
(31:47):
of other cities proved that point. Right. They get millions, Yeah,
I mean, and I think smallstees like Cleveland. I don't
know what the numbers were. They say it over a million,
maybe one point two, huge, Chris. Greater Cleveland's like two
million people, right, a little over two millions, So to
get half point two wow, Yes, more than half the
(32:11):
people are half the people in Greater Cleveland attended the
Calves parade in twenty sixteen. So it's gonna be different
in smaller cities versus bigger cities, particularly bigger cities like
in La of Miami, you know, where there's so much
other stuff to do, beaches and all that. But no,
I don't think rob that in anyone, do you. I
(32:32):
don't know. I don't. I don't know. Like the younger generation, Chris,
those were traditional things. Like as we get older, there
were kids who or twenty I've never been to a
parade or whatever. I don't know that, like the ever
been to well, other than covering the Yankees or covering
a parade, right, I've always covered it too. I've never like,
I never went to the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. Maybe
(32:53):
as a kid, I don't remember. I can't say I
never went. I'm taking me once or twice. I can't
say that. Um, But as an adult, I'm with you.
I don't go to parades. And maybe because of the
business and what we do, do you know what I mean?
So I think that's why I don't go. But I've
been to. I went when the Pistons won the championship
in two thousand and four. Christian was incredible Downtown Detroit.
(33:17):
It was nuts, and the and the parade route down
Woodward Avenue was just an incredible spectacle to see and
people going crazy for that team. And you know, the
Red Wings of one Stanley Cups. I've been the parades
for them, so I've been on a number of parades,
but this one was disappointing. I was shocked at how
(33:38):
small it was.
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