February 25, 2021 • 33 mins
Chris and Rob share their thoughts on the bad blood brewing between Russell Wilson and the Seattle Seahawks, discuss which party is most in the wrong, and tell us which of the 4 preferred trade destinations makes the most sense for Wilson. Plus, NFL Network reporter and FOX Sports Radio weekend host Bucky Brooks swings by to tell us why Wilson isn't blameless at all in this whole ordeal.
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Cup Off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker Seattle. It
just the drama, man. It really seems like this thing
might be going towards the divorce. I didn't think that
even earlier this morning, but now stuff is coming out. First,
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The Athletic does a story this morning. It's really a
nice expose about a lot of the issues going on
in Seattle between Russell Wilson and the team. And Russ
seems to want more power and control over the offense.
You know, he wanted to cook, let us cook. And
second half of the season, Pete Carroll went to his
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tried and true, you know strategy of running the football
and just going from you know, trying to shock the
defense with a big pass here and there, but really
running the football and having a good defense. And Russ
was a bit bothered by that his numbers went. Wait,
and you remember early on, it wasn't even a discussion
who was MVP. It was he was to the first
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part of the season. He was putting up five touchdowns
every week. Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes weren't even in the conversation. Chris.
It was a run, absolutely, and if he had kept
it up, he would have won. With all due respect
to Rodgers, who had a tremendous season, but if Russ
had kept that pace up, he would have been the MVP.
But obviously he didn't. So there's that, and then this
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was the kicker. Rob. It's one thing for frustrations to
be their and you know you got issues, okay, that
can be worked out now. So so Rogers agent tells
Adam check not Rodgers. Russell Wilson's agent tells Adam Schefter
that they have not asked for a trade. But if
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he is traded, there are four teams that he would
want to go to, and those teams are the Dallas Cowboys,
the Las Vegas Raiders, the New Orleans Saints, and the
Miami Dolphins. So here's my thing, Rob, Okay, he hasn't
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asked him for a trade. But when you put that
out there and Rob g he's told this to the team, right, Like,
this is not just he didn't schefter not breaking this.
I mean he broke it to the public, but he
didn't break it to the Seahawks. They know that if
you trade me, I'm not asking for a trade. I
want to stay in Seattle. But if you trade me,
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these are the four teams I'd want to go to. Rob.
You ever, were you never in a relationship or even
know of somebody in a relationship where one of the
parties was like, look, I don't want to break up,
but I want to date other people. You mean my
marriage or you're trying to talk about what happened if
I'm marriage? You don't what? Rob, what'd you say that?
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I agree with you? Once you start naming who would
you who would you like to go out? I don't
want to go anywhere, but if I'm going anywhere, you
know your friend Betty that's super fine, and yeah she's
fine and Thillma with the big butt. Yeah, like those three.
I'm interested in meeting those three if we ever break up. Exactly,
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you know, Chris, Right, once you start naming people, that's
a bad. That's that's bad bad sign. Man, that's a
bad sign. So here's all I'm gonna ask you, Rob,
whose side are you on? You're on the Seahawks side. Yeah,
I'm on the Seahawks side because I thought all that
stuff and the complaint that should have been private. Chris
not that he can't say anything or go talk to
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front office, and man, I'm not that rigid that he
can't say anything. But once it went public and once
he kind of ripped on the organization, maldi thing is this, Chris,
and you can say whatever you want. The Seahawks were
doing something really right for a long time. They got
the back to back Super Bowls. They almost beat Tom
Brady and the Patriots, they won the other Super Bowl,
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rushed through the pick in the one yard line, and
the legion of boom was put together. They had a
great run. Probably could have won or gone to another
Super Bowl, but they had a nice run and they
had a chance to win back to back Super Bowls,
which would have been something special because it's so hard
to do. And Russ's behavior is like he'd been playing
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for the entire for the Lions for twelve years, like
Matthew Stafford or something. And that's the part I don't get,
like this organization has been pretty good. I don't have
the numbers in front of me. Chris, I'm a guest
that they made the playoffs seven or eight years in
a row. Seven out of eight? What has it been
well with him? They made number one with him? So
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that so what does eight out of nine? Right? But
it's all with him? No, But I'm just saying though it.
But but he wasn't a big part in the beginning.
He was more like a game manager in the early days,
Let's just be honest. And it was about their defense. Yeah,
it was about the day. Go back and Chris a
couple of years ago. Look, the defense was phenomenal. Don't
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go back a couple of years ago the team, but
he had a lot to do with it. You want
to go back a couple of years ago against the
uh the Rams game? You remember the Rams game the
playoffs drop g Do you remember that game? Was the
Rams of the Cowboys who they lose to the cow
They lost to the Cowboys. Okay, do you remember do
you remember Russell Wilson was they weren't throwing the ball?
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Do you remember that? Go back and look at that game.
They were running the football and he really didn't get
to throw until after they fell behind. Then they started
having him throw to try to get back in the game.
But that game he was like a game manager in
that game against the Cowboys. Here, I'm one that long ago.
Here's why I'm with Russ, and I hear what you're saying.
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First of all, it's as Rob it's changing players. This
is not going away. We see it with Deshaun Watson.
Now we're seeing it with Russell Wilson. We see it
with Tom Brady and Tampa Bay. Oh, we don't want
Antonio Brown. We're set Bruce Arian. Since a couple of
weeks later Antonio Brown's there and they went to Super Bowl.
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Aaron Rodgers now is speaking up more in Green Bay, like,
this is not going away. So you're when you have
a Hall of Fame player with you, specifically if it's
a quarterback, franchises are gonna have to deal with this now.
So maybe let's say hypothetically they get rid of Russ
and a few years later they come up, they get
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another guy like him, another Hall of Fame, you know,
bound quarterback who does great things. He might want the
same thing. He just some say not I'm picking coach.
I'm telling you everything we need to do, but I
want some say so. I think. I don't think Russ
is out of line and asking that obviously, I don't
think he's out of line and saying I want to
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be protected more. I don't want to get hit so much.
I see Cam Newton. Cam's young, but he's done because
he's been hit so much. Nobody says about the public
the public, but that's all I'm on. That's all I'm saying,
is that publicly privately the problem with it being public.
I don't have a problem with it being public. He didn't.
He didn't totally rip the organization he said he needs
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to improve to. He just said I'm tired of getting hit.
And when he said it to the organization in private, whatever,
I don't know what their response was, but it wasn't
enough for him. And here's the other thing I'll say, Robin,
why I'm on Russ's side. The Seahawks haven't been a
great organization without him. They had a nice little run
in the kind of the early two thousands. They had
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Sean Alexander. Remember they got to the Super Bowl and
they lost, but they got there, but that was it.
They've never had won a Super Bowl before Russ. They
would quite finish. They weren't a great franchise rob they
never had a franchise quarterback. And when the years look,
the four straight years before Russ got there, they had
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losing records. So we could talk all about the legion
of Boom, which was legit, but all of those guys
didn't go there the same year Russ got there. But
the immediately from let me finish, Russ took him immediately
from seven and nine back to back seasons, five and
eleven before that, four and twelve before that, and they
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haven't won fewer than nine games since he's been there.
This dude had a lot. I get it. He was
a manager. He wasn't Aaron Rodgers. I'm not gonna say that,
but his and you keep poo pooing it, but I
think people get it now. Intangibles. This dude's a leader,
this dude's a winner, and he immediately turned them in.
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They eleven wins and then thirteen wins and they win
the Super Bowl. Chris, he's the same guy. Let's Pete
Carroll done in the NFL without he's he's the same
guy who's never gotten an MVP vote. Never, no, no,
you just made your point. You made your point. Let
me make mine. And I'm not gonna sit here and
say he's a bum. But to put it all on
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Russ when they had Marshawn Lunch, one of the best
running backs, and they act like keis the only reason
why they've been good. It's the four narrative. It was
about the legion of board. It wasn't only about seven
and nine. It wasn't only about we're seven in na.
I'm not buying that. And that's why I don't want
to guy. Facts. I don't. I don't want a guy
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who doesn't want to be there. If Russ wants to
go to the Cowboys of the Raiders, let him go.
I mean, that's not the jerious. I'm fine if he
wants out, if he asks for a trade, then I
would never want I would never want anybody. You know.
I'm just saying, if I have to choose between Russell
Wilson and Pete Carroll, give me Russell Wilson all day,
every day, because Pete Carroll's not done anything in the
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iHeartRadio app. I love Russell Wilson's game. I wouldn't trade
him if I was the Seahawks, like, I wouldn't be
thinking about him trading him unless he demanded it. But Rob,
he has said here it is. I want to stay
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in Seattle. I want to play here. But if you're
gonna trade me, here's four teams I'll agree to go
to because he got the no trade clause, Dallas, Law,
Las Vegas, Miami and New Orleans. Ride. We said it,
that's like I wanted to date other people. I still
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like you. I just want to date other people. Um,
which of those four places do you think is best
for him? If indeed he is given to me again?
The Cowboys, the Raiders, the Las Vegas Raiders, the Miami Dolphins,
and the New Orleans Saints. Probably the Dolphins because I
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think they have a little thing going. They didn't make
the playoffs. They just lost out at the end of
the season. Um, I don't know. The Saints are old
and I don't know what you they're over the cap.
I would say the Saints if he could just drop
the Cowboys. I don't know Cowboys have The Cowboys have
won three playoff games since nineteen ninety six? Is that
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was the years Chris ninety six when they last won
the Super Bowl? They won three playoff games. Really, Jerry
Jones and what they're doing there running? They running the
Cowboys like a mind they're gonna give you? Are they
gonna give you? Say? That's what's interesting. Look, I don't
I don't see the gay in the Dallas Cowboys. Quarterback
is something you know that like it's something special. He
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would be their best quarterback since those days, right since Aikman. Um,
it's hard to say you wouldn't go to Dallas because
you know, and I think he's better than Dak. I
think he could make a big difference there. I don't
know if they'd have enough to really get close to
a super Bowl, get over the hump. But I could Dallas,
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I could see that. But I'm with you. If I
could drop him in New Orleans, same exact team instead
of Drew Brees, that would, I think be the obvious answer.
But right right, but their way over the cap, they're
gonna have to drop a lot of guys so, um,
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including some serious you know players, so and then Raiders.
I don't I don't get that. I mean, maybe his
wife wants to be in Vegas. I don't know, but
I'm with you. I think Miami would be the best
place for him if he's not h if he's gonna
leave Seattle. Of the four that he mentioned, yeah, um,
I just the other ones don't seem like a total
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fit Miami. I mean, they're not there yet, but they
have a chance. If you put him in the good
in the AFC East, you know other than Buffalo, right
that there's your you gotta beat out Buffalo that would
be the only team. Doesn't mean that you can't make
the playoffs too, right, a wild card from the AFC East. Um,
So it's not like there's a stacked division where you'd
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have a hard time getting anywhere. Uh yeah, I would say, Miami, Yeah,
I think I agree with you on that. Let's go
to the NBA. Boston is struggling, struggling what they have lost? Robbed. Look,
they're fifteen and seven drug but that that ain't the
worst of it. They've lost seven of their last twenty
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or No, they've gone seven and fourteen in their last
twenty one games. And rob they got two All Stars,
two guys that are going to play an All Star Game,
and to be honest, I think they deserve it, Jason
Tatum and Jaylen Brown. And so who do you so
we got some sound here of is this Danny Ainge?
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Oh this is their president, Wick gross bag ridiculous statement.
I know, Wick, but this is due to ridiculous Yeah,
Heeri is well. I would say I am disappointed, but
I would also say that in those four years, we've
been to the conference finals three times, so it hasn't
been a wasteland. It just hasn't gotten all the way.
It's been to the Final four. We're not hanging any
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Final four banners, but we've been to the conference finals.
I think it's three years, three times in the last
four years, so we've been a very good, competitive team.
But you know, we hope Kyrie would stay forever and
lead us all the way. He's on maybe the team
in the league right now. Um, and so that's that's that,
And that that change touched awful lot of stuff. Because
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he left, we weren't able to maybe recruit free agents
in the same way, and you know, a bit of
a domino effect, but it is what it is. We
went went for it with Kyrie. We had a good
year with him, He tried hard, and then he moved on.
My my issue is not to him saying they've been
to three conference finals in four years, which is they
have and that's good. You know, they haven't been a
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total waste by any stretch. My issue is bringing up
Kyrie as if he's the reason that things have fallen
off this year. Heck, the one year they didn't get
to the conference finals, Rob was with Kyrie, and when
he left that wasn't viewed as much that much of
a negative because they positive call it like like it
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is that's what people. They were happy good and they
did what they brought in Kimba Walker and it was working.
And now Kimba, you know, he's having the knee issue.
So he looks like he might be damaged goods. But
that's to me, Rob. Kyrie has absolutely nothing to do
with what's going on now. If you want to say,
had Kyrie gone there fit in with everybody? You know,
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he and Stevens got along, everything was great that we
think we'd be a championship team. Okay, that's fine, but
they had moved on from Kyrie and everything was fine
last year. This year, you can't. This has nothing to
do with Kyrie Irving. No, and it has a lot
to do with Danny An't you remember they had the
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million first round picks. Oh, they got the Celtics. Danny
Ane just stockpiled all these first round picks. Analytics writers excited,
you know exactly. It's about all these first round picks
that haven't really amounted to anything. Uh. The other thing
is um so so Pratt Stevens. You know, they gave
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him a lot of job security. Chris, you've mentioned it.
Four other coaches were like, dude, really like, we're in
this league, We've we've been coaching. They don't have this
kind of security. Got a six year deal right out
of Butler. It's not like you won the if it
was he was a mid major Christian won the national championship.
All right now, I'm now let's talk right now. But
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they never want anything. And now he's in Boston and
I think it's dubious now getting to the conference finals
three out of four, not not punching your ticket once,
like Kenny, get it over the hump? You know, this
might be a team Chris where you might have to
go get somebody. And I saw it in Detroit. Pittons
were good with Rick, Carlisle, Chris and they went out
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and got Larry Brown and what happened and went to
the finals two years in a row. Right, and similar
to you know Carlisle, very tactical getting right, you know
what I'm saying. I'm not saying that he could eventually
couldn't get there because Rick got there and won a championship.
But you might need to do something like that because
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not getting there three out of fours just it becomes
like after a while, like can he get over the hump? Well?
I agree, like he look, he's a good coach. I
don't think anybody's gonna say brass right right, But the
question Rob I think is Kenny handle Ferraris he can
handle the Honda Chords, and he'll make your Honda Chord
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look great. You know, at Butler, you're not getting Blue Chippers, right,
You're not getting guys you gotta deal with egos, Guys
that are going to the league, you know what I mean,
Guys that are wonning done. You're not getting that at Butler,
and early on, that's what he had in Boston. And
then he gets his first Ferrari's Kyrie Irving, and he
can't handle him. I'm not saying Kyrie was blameless, but
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it didn't work out all right. And now you've got
a couple guys who've developed into Ferraris, and you would
think it would work better with them because they you know,
he knows them from day one when they got into
the NBA, Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown. But I don't know
is that an issue? Rob There are coaches in this
league that maximize so so talent, you know what I mean.
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They don't have much talent. They get their guys to
play hard, they run the offense. They played hard for
forty eight minutes eighty two games a year, and they
go forty two and forty and everybody's like, oh my gosh,
this guy is great. This guy can coach, right, then
you give him some major league talent and he over
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coaches right. He can't, he can't. He's over coaching too much.
You wonna let them just do their thing. And I'm
not saying Stevens is that type of guy, but that's
the question that's out there because he hasn't gotten him
over the hump. He couldn't get a get along with Kyrie,
and so it's just something to watch. I think Brad
steven has earned and Stevens has earned the Lee way
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the rope to let him play through this coach through this.
But it's just something you need to watch because ultimately,
if you can't get me over to hump, Rob, then
you can't be my coach. No, but eventually you have
to get there, you know, like like being closed and
all that that. After a while, it's like when is
you gonna win that big game? Right? And that just
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We are good now. I don't know what's going on
with you and Gascon, but he told us to remind
you that your last playoff game was a home loss
to John Elway and the Denver Broncos, and that Terrell
Davis ran all over you, as we told us, Yeah,
like a teenager David Gascon. We're exciting about that because
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we year before. But I remember the Jacksonville Jaguars in
ninety six. We said in the number one seeded the
Lebroncos home and the walk part. So he was upset
about that. So that's why he had So that's why
that's why it's the big this Ye he did conveniently
leave that part out. All right, Let's get to this
tweet that you put out here. It is because everybody's
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talking about Russell Wilson and the Seahawks. This is you.
The more Russell Wilson throws, the worst it is for
him and the team. If he wants to rack up
gaudy stats, he can throw it all day, but the
Hawks don't win when they put it all on his shoulders.
They win consistently because of complimentary football, not pinball shootouts.
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So it sounds like you where are you at on this?
I mean, it sounds like you're riding with the Seahawks
and Russ needs to just go along with the flow
for his own good. Is that what you're saying? I
am saying that like this is definitely because I know
you gotta love comparisons or whatever. Russell Wilson needs to
decide doesn't want to be Tom Brady, doesn't want to
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be Drew Brees. Okay, tom Brady is an ultimate winner.
Tom Brady has won a bunch of different styles when
it came to the Patriots and even the Bucks. Sometimes
it's been tom Brady driving the bus. Sometimes it's been
the defense and the running game. Sometimes it's been complimentary
players in the kicking end that has enabled Tom Brady
to win at the highest level. Z Brees has thrown
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it all over the yard. He's learned every possible individual
honor that you possibly can win, maybe MVP. He has
five thousand years seasons at the Wazoo, and it's all
been on him that he has won Super Bowl ring.
And so when Russ has to realize, when I played
as the game manages a complimentary brow. I let Pete
Carroll do his thing. I went to back to back
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Super Bowls, I won one. Since it's become about Russ
the playmaker and let Russ cook. We haven't seen the
CFC or to the NFC Championship game. So he has
to make a determination how his legacy winds up. Because
we've talked about legacy in those things, Russ, what's more important?
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Is it about the winsor's about the way that you win?
Running through the number three? He has to make good decisions.
He's the only one who going to sign that. I
want to switch over to the Cowboys. And what's going
on with Dak Prescott? What do you expect to happen here?
I mean, this is surprising of how long this has
been drawn out. Obviously he's coming off an injury. But
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how come they never signed them from Jump Street? When
the longer you wait and only cost you more money?
And do you expect Dak to be maybe with another team?
Is this going to end in divorce? No? No, I
think Jack could be a round. I think, man, this
is a negotiation, and Jerry Jones love the negotiation, and
I think he mistlayed us in early and now he's
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having to pay and the builders come due. And so
the situation that they found themselves in, either they're gonna
have to pay Dak Prescott thirty seven million dollars on
the franchise tag, or they're going to have to pay
him over forty million dollars a year on a four
or five or six year deal. What does Jerry Jones
want to do? And if I'm Dak Prescott, I know
people are saying he's coming off the injury, but Dak
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Prescott kind of holds all the cards and the leverage
because a couple of years ago, when they offered him
the deal, the money guaranteed they were willing to give
him was one hundred and five million guaranteed. He if
he plays on the plan, trust that a third year
and those three years because it goes up forty four
percent next year to fifty four million, and three years
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he would have earned one hundred and twenty two million
and you'll have an opportunity to get signed. So this
is business is business. The Cowboys miss played the hand,
so then they have to pay the five if they
pay him, whether they started on the franchise tag and
give him a long term deal. However it works out,
if he's getting forty million dollars a year, what do
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you think is going to happen with the Cowboys as
a team, because obviously they won't have money to go
out half pieces. You can argue they got pieces even
though they didn't play well last year, Like, how good
do you think they would be or will be going
forward if they end up paying him that type of money.
So now they've miscalculated how they built the team because
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the ka Z and they play the market before they
paid the quarterback, so they basically run shopping without a
budget or anything. So now here's the thing that would
change everything when it comes to dacks money or whatever.
The NFL is about to do their TV deal. When
the TV money kicks in, the salary cap should have
a major jump. So the deal that Dack signs, now,
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it'll be reasonable by the time that new salary cap
or kicks in and those things. It may be uncomfortable
for a year, but after that, I mean it'll be fine.
And those deals that we're talking about, oh my gosh,
I can't believe their pay these quarterbacks forty million dollars
it'll be a blip on the radar because everyone will
be getting paid in a new salary cap era when
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they usher in this new TV money. Okay, if I'm
the check ins and you got a quarterback in Deshaan
Watson who doesn't want to be there, I gotta make
a deal. I don't know how you can force somebody
to play. He's not going to give you his all.
I don't care what he says about being professional. When
someone doesn't want to be there, what would you do?
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You're gonna dance for me now? Because I've already given
you that check. So I give him a check for
twenty seven million dollars in September. If he the times
that he doesn't want to pay, he has to give
back twenty one million dollars. And so right there in
the y'all season is great, everyone's talking to help. But man,
when you start losing money out of your pocket and
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you have to pay back a signing bonus that maybe
you spent some of it, that's when it becomes a
real deal. The challenge will be are the Houston Tech
and the management staff. Do they have the cajony to
hang in there when it gets uncomfortable in the media
world because if they do, the leverages really get the
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team because new CBA has made the fine so prohibitive
that if you begin to miss days, they can come
and get all your money. And so I mean, look, Rob,
you know it. In Detroit, Calvin Johnson is still man
that the land went after his money when he retired
before his contract with which I don't understand he did quit.
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I just don't understand why he thinks I should be paid.
I really that. I'm surprised with Calvin for real. Yeah
so so so the money. When you start talking about
the money and the check stop coming, that's when it
becomes real. So the Texans have to hold the water
and just make sure that they don't care because the
leverage is still in their favors. Wow, okay, so you
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wouldn't trade him. No, I'm not trading Hi because I
gotta talk. I have a top five quarterback who is
twenty five years old. It is so hard to find
a franchise quarterback in the draft. The last thing that
I'm gonna do and I'm gonna give up one who's
not even really in his time yet. I'm not giving
up one that's entering his prime when I have him
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on a deal, No way, I'm not. I'm not trying
to go and find another one because Houston Texans have
to put on their big boy camp and they have
to be willing to deal with the uncomfortable nature of
this negotiation because if they do, when it gets to
the season, the leverage goes back the legage with him,
the leverage continues to go with them. All right, So
let's go back to Seattle. Now. Russell Wilson has not
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asked for a trade, but his agent has told the
team if they trade him, I want to stay in Seattle.
Don't get me wrong. But if you trade me Dallas,
New Orleans, Miami or the Las Vegas Raiders, what would
you do if you're Seattle? Same same tact as you
take with Deshaun Watson or what. No, this is a
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little different, right, It's a little different because if there's
certain ways that the Seattle Shaks can't handle this. Right,
Russell's thirty two, I think we're soon to be thirty three.
What year they can get out to deal? Next year
be a twenty six community by the dead cat hit.
So I think with the ccawks have to figure out.
They have to have discussions like, hey, look, man, is
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the juice work the squeeze? We should recognize Russell as
a top five, top ten quarterback, but he is also
getting up in age and as he's increasingly asking for
more and kind of becoming more of a diva. Do
we really want to deal with this because it's really
a playing style thing. Because Peter has a philosophy that
has been very successful for him in college and with
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the Seahawks. Does he change to appease Russell Wilson without
the guarantee that Russell's way is going to lead him
to greater success. I think at some point the Clcahawks
may come to the end of the line and say,
you know what, we're better off with another quarterback and
we will let Russ go if we can get back
enough compensation for him. You got you got something right. No,
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Bucky Pete Carroll hasn't been that successful without Russell Wilson
in the NFL, you know what I'm saying. Like he was,
he was having losing seasons until Russ got there. I
get it. Russ wasn't slinging the football and carrying the team,
but he has been the guy that's made you know,
one of the guys has made them win. You sure
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you want them? They win thirty one from nineteen seventy
six to twenty eleven without a franchise quarterback. You said,
you know how hard it is to get one. You're
ready to move on that quickly. Well, I'm ready to
move on from Russ based on Russ not buying into
how the team has to play. Like once again, it's
a conversation, Tom Brady, Drew brees. Russ is fine as
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long as he can play his way. I get all
the money, I get to set the terms for what
I want to play. I gotta have an offensive line,
I gotta have my weapon. I need to have a
defense for a dog on Russ while we paying you
all the money for it, Like what do you make
your right? And so at some point that's why you
pay the guys a big ball. If I'm not paying
you the big bucks, then I can give you all
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the luxury items that you want to win, but you
can't have it all on a short term deal. Crush
us a cripple us on the Sellery cabin and then
complain and say that you don't have everything when you
look at the tape, you can say, hey, Russ, this
ain't all them. Some of this is you when we
let you cook this year. The first eight games it
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was great. The last eight were boo boo. Against the
playoff games. You have eight total touchdowns, nine nine giveaways
against the Rams. In the park game, you're going up
letting to twenty seven. Hey man, I'm not gonna lets
you keep cooking if you're burning up the meal. So
at some point Russ has to get he has to
be better. He has to he has to be better
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if he wants it to be his way. If not,
I'm Pete Carroll like Russ, you're complaining too much? Is
not we're not getting true value on all their turn
that's muvol and will play the way that I know
wins games with or without you. All right, that's Bucky Brooks.
We appreciated one last thing real quick. What'd you say?
It was nine touchdowns and eight and eight touchdowns and
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nine interceptions against playoff teams. Eight eight total touchdown, nine
giveaways against playoff team. Okay, you forgot to mention they
stopped letting him cook at that point, didn't they let
him cook? The first half of the season, and then
they look back to Pete Carroll's tried. In true, they
stopped letting them cook because every time you get the
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paycase and paincakes a charge. Every time you get the eggs,
the eggs are overdone for people that you know what, Russ,
I gotta get you off the kids. We're gonna order
room service, and we're gonna do it this way. So
they went back to running the football because Russ couldn't
have the responsibility of doing it. If you look at
there's a four game stretch where he had a million turnover.
They're like, nah, dude, we gotta scale back. We gotta
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get back to running the football and doing it. Because
the problem with Russell when teams are playing against the Seas,
when they're not running the ball, they're playing two to
be covered to the quarterback has to be precise and
a quick rhythm pastor Russ doesn't operate on rhythm. Russ
is a san loot freelance player, so it's hard for
the offense to develop rhythm. If his game was different,
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then yeah, you can say, hey, Russ will do your thing,
but he doesn't play according to script. It's hard to
build an offense like that around the talent like Russ
who is kind of doing his own thing. All right,
that's Bucky Brooks. We will continue this later, Bucky. We
will definitely continue this later. Great stuff, man. We appreciate
your time. All right, man, we talked to you.
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Cup Off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker Seattle. It
just the drama, man. It really seems like this thing
might be going towards the divorce. I didn't think that
even earlier this morning, but now stuff is coming out. First,
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The Athletic does a story this morning. It's really a
nice expose about a lot of the issues going on
in Seattle between Russell Wilson and the team. And Russ
seems to want more power and control over the offense.
You know, he wanted to cook, let us cook. And
second half of the season, Pete Carroll went to his
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tried and true, you know strategy of running the football
and just going from you know, trying to shock the
defense with a big pass here and there, but really
running the football and having a good defense. And Russ
was a bit bothered by that his numbers went. Wait,
and you remember early on, it wasn't even a discussion
who was MVP. It was he was to the first
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part of the season. He was putting up five touchdowns
every week. Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes weren't even in the conversation. Chris.
It was a run, absolutely, and if he had kept
it up, he would have won. With all due respect
to Rodgers, who had a tremendous season, but if Russ
had kept that pace up, he would have been the MVP.
But obviously he didn't. So there's that, and then this
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was the kicker. Rob. It's one thing for frustrations to
be their and you know you got issues, okay, that
can be worked out now. So so Rogers agent tells
Adam check not Rodgers. Russell Wilson's agent tells Adam Schefter
that they have not asked for a trade. But if
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he is traded, there are four teams that he would
want to go to, and those teams are the Dallas Cowboys,
the Las Vegas Raiders, the New Orleans Saints, and the
Miami Dolphins. So here's my thing, Rob, Okay, he hasn't
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asked him for a trade. But when you put that
out there and Rob g he's told this to the team, right, Like,
this is not just he didn't schefter not breaking this.
I mean he broke it to the public, but he
didn't break it to the Seahawks. They know that if
you trade me, I'm not asking for a trade. I
want to stay in Seattle. But if you trade me,
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these are the four teams I'd want to go to. Rob.
You ever, were you never in a relationship or even
know of somebody in a relationship where one of the
parties was like, look, I don't want to break up,
but I want to date other people. You mean my
marriage or you're trying to talk about what happened if
I'm marriage? You don't what? Rob, what'd you say that?
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I agree with you? Once you start naming who would
you who would you like to go out? I don't
want to go anywhere, but if I'm going anywhere, you
know your friend Betty that's super fine, and yeah she's
fine and Thillma with the big butt. Yeah, like those three.
I'm interested in meeting those three if we ever break up. Exactly,
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you know, Chris, Right, once you start naming people, that's
a bad. That's that's bad bad sign. Man, that's a
bad sign. So here's all I'm gonna ask you, Rob,
whose side are you on? You're on the Seahawks side. Yeah,
I'm on the Seahawks side because I thought all that
stuff and the complaint that should have been private. Chris
not that he can't say anything or go talk to
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front office, and man, I'm not that rigid that he
can't say anything. But once it went public and once
he kind of ripped on the organization, maldi thing is this, Chris,
and you can say whatever you want. The Seahawks were
doing something really right for a long time. They got
the back to back Super Bowls. They almost beat Tom
Brady and the Patriots, they won the other Super Bowl,
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rushed through the pick in the one yard line, and
the legion of boom was put together. They had a
great run. Probably could have won or gone to another
Super Bowl, but they had a nice run and they
had a chance to win back to back Super Bowls,
which would have been something special because it's so hard
to do. And Russ's behavior is like he'd been playing
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for the entire for the Lions for twelve years, like
Matthew Stafford or something. And that's the part I don't get,
like this organization has been pretty good. I don't have
the numbers in front of me. Chris, I'm a guest
that they made the playoffs seven or eight years in
a row. Seven out of eight? What has it been
well with him? They made number one with him? So
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that so what does eight out of nine? Right? But
it's all with him? No, But I'm just saying though it.
But but he wasn't a big part in the beginning.
He was more like a game manager in the early days,
Let's just be honest. And it was about their defense. Yeah,
it was about the day. Go back and Chris a
couple of years ago. Look, the defense was phenomenal. Don't
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go back a couple of years ago the team, but
he had a lot to do with it. You want
to go back a couple of years ago against the
uh the Rams game? You remember the Rams game the
playoffs drop g Do you remember that game? Was the
Rams of the Cowboys who they lose to the cow
They lost to the Cowboys. Okay, do you remember do
you remember Russell Wilson was they weren't throwing the ball?
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Do you remember that? Go back and look at that game.
They were running the football and he really didn't get
to throw until after they fell behind. Then they started
having him throw to try to get back in the game.
But that game he was like a game manager in
that game against the Cowboys. Here, I'm one that long ago.
Here's why I'm with Russ, and I hear what you're saying.
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First of all, it's as Rob it's changing players. This
is not going away. We see it with Deshaun Watson.
Now we're seeing it with Russell Wilson. We see it
with Tom Brady and Tampa Bay. Oh, we don't want
Antonio Brown. We're set Bruce Arian. Since a couple of
weeks later Antonio Brown's there and they went to Super Bowl.
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Aaron Rodgers now is speaking up more in Green Bay, like,
this is not going away. So you're when you have
a Hall of Fame player with you, specifically if it's
a quarterback, franchises are gonna have to deal with this now.
So maybe let's say hypothetically they get rid of Russ
and a few years later they come up, they get
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another guy like him, another Hall of Fame, you know,
bound quarterback who does great things. He might want the
same thing. He just some say not I'm picking coach.
I'm telling you everything we need to do, but I
want some say so. I think. I don't think Russ
is out of line and asking that obviously, I don't
think he's out of line and saying I want to
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be protected more. I don't want to get hit so much.
I see Cam Newton. Cam's young, but he's done because
he's been hit so much. Nobody says about the public
the public, but that's all I'm on. That's all I'm saying,
is that publicly privately the problem with it being public.
I don't have a problem with it being public. He didn't.
He didn't totally rip the organization he said he needs
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to improve to. He just said I'm tired of getting hit.
And when he said it to the organization in private, whatever,
I don't know what their response was, but it wasn't
enough for him. And here's the other thing I'll say, Robin,
why I'm on Russ's side. The Seahawks haven't been a
great organization without him. They had a nice little run
in the kind of the early two thousands. They had
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Sean Alexander. Remember they got to the Super Bowl and
they lost, but they got there, but that was it.
They've never had won a Super Bowl before Russ. They
would quite finish. They weren't a great franchise rob they
never had a franchise quarterback. And when the years look,
the four straight years before Russ got there, they had
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losing records. So we could talk all about the legion
of Boom, which was legit, but all of those guys
didn't go there the same year Russ got there. But
the immediately from let me finish, Russ took him immediately
from seven and nine back to back seasons, five and
eleven before that, four and twelve before that, and they
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haven't won fewer than nine games since he's been there.
This dude had a lot. I get it. He was
a manager. He wasn't Aaron Rodgers. I'm not gonna say that,
but his and you keep poo pooing it, but I
think people get it now. Intangibles. This dude's a leader,
this dude's a winner, and he immediately turned them in.
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They eleven wins and then thirteen wins and they win
the Super Bowl. Chris, he's the same guy. Let's Pete
Carroll done in the NFL without he's he's the same
guy who's never gotten an MVP vote. Never, no, no,
you just made your point. You made your point. Let
me make mine. And I'm not gonna sit here and
say he's a bum. But to put it all on
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Russ when they had Marshawn Lunch, one of the best
running backs, and they act like keis the only reason
why they've been good. It's the four narrative. It was
about the legion of board. It wasn't only about seven
and nine. It wasn't only about we're seven in na.
I'm not buying that. And that's why I don't want
to guy. Facts. I don't. I don't want a guy
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who doesn't want to be there. If Russ wants to
go to the Cowboys of the Raiders, let him go.
I mean, that's not the jerious. I'm fine if he
wants out, if he asks for a trade, then I
would never want I would never want anybody. You know.
I'm just saying, if I have to choose between Russell
Wilson and Pete Carroll, give me Russell Wilson all day,
every day, because Pete Carroll's not done anything in the
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iHeartRadio app. I love Russell Wilson's game. I wouldn't trade
him if I was the Seahawks, like, I wouldn't be
thinking about him trading him unless he demanded it. But Rob,
he has said here it is. I want to stay
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in Seattle. I want to play here. But if you're
gonna trade me, here's four teams I'll agree to go
to because he got the no trade clause, Dallas, Law,
Las Vegas, Miami and New Orleans. Ride. We said it,
that's like I wanted to date other people. I still
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like you. I just want to date other people. Um,
which of those four places do you think is best
for him? If indeed he is given to me again?
The Cowboys, the Raiders, the Las Vegas Raiders, the Miami Dolphins,
and the New Orleans Saints. Probably the Dolphins because I
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think they have a little thing going. They didn't make
the playoffs. They just lost out at the end of
the season. Um, I don't know. The Saints are old
and I don't know what you they're over the cap.
I would say the Saints if he could just drop
the Cowboys. I don't know Cowboys have The Cowboys have
won three playoff games since nineteen ninety six? Is that
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was the years Chris ninety six when they last won
the Super Bowl? They won three playoff games. Really, Jerry
Jones and what they're doing there running? They running the
Cowboys like a mind they're gonna give you? Are they
gonna give you? Say? That's what's interesting. Look, I don't
I don't see the gay in the Dallas Cowboys. Quarterback
is something you know that like it's something special. He
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would be their best quarterback since those days, right since Aikman. Um,
it's hard to say you wouldn't go to Dallas because
you know, and I think he's better than Dak. I
think he could make a big difference there. I don't
know if they'd have enough to really get close to
a super Bowl, get over the hump. But I could Dallas,
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I could see that. But I'm with you. If I
could drop him in New Orleans, same exact team instead
of Drew Brees, that would, I think be the obvious answer.
But right right, but their way over the cap, they're
gonna have to drop a lot of guys so, um,
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including some serious you know players, so and then Raiders.
I don't I don't get that. I mean, maybe his
wife wants to be in Vegas. I don't know, but
I'm with you. I think Miami would be the best
place for him if he's not h if he's gonna
leave Seattle. Of the four that he mentioned, yeah, um,
I just the other ones don't seem like a total
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fit Miami. I mean, they're not there yet, but they
have a chance. If you put him in the good
in the AFC East, you know other than Buffalo, right
that there's your you gotta beat out Buffalo that would
be the only team. Doesn't mean that you can't make
the playoffs too, right, a wild card from the AFC East. Um,
So it's not like there's a stacked division where you'd
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have a hard time getting anywhere. Uh yeah, I would say, Miami, Yeah,
I think I agree with you on that. Let's go
to the NBA. Boston is struggling, struggling what they have lost? Robbed. Look,
they're fifteen and seven drug but that that ain't the
worst of it. They've lost seven of their last twenty
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or No, they've gone seven and fourteen in their last
twenty one games. And rob they got two All Stars,
two guys that are going to play an All Star Game,
and to be honest, I think they deserve it, Jason
Tatum and Jaylen Brown. And so who do you so
we got some sound here of is this Danny Ainge?
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Oh this is their president, Wick gross bag ridiculous statement.
I know, Wick, but this is due to ridiculous Yeah,
Heeri is well. I would say I am disappointed, but
I would also say that in those four years, we've
been to the conference finals three times, so it hasn't
been a wasteland. It just hasn't gotten all the way.
It's been to the Final four. We're not hanging any
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Final four banners, but we've been to the conference finals.
I think it's three years, three times in the last
four years, so we've been a very good, competitive team.
But you know, we hope Kyrie would stay forever and
lead us all the way. He's on maybe the team
in the league right now. Um, and so that's that's that,
And that that change touched awful lot of stuff. Because
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he left, we weren't able to maybe recruit free agents
in the same way, and you know, a bit of
a domino effect, but it is what it is. We
went went for it with Kyrie. We had a good
year with him, He tried hard, and then he moved on.
My my issue is not to him saying they've been
to three conference finals in four years, which is they
have and that's good. You know, they haven't been a
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total waste by any stretch. My issue is bringing up
Kyrie as if he's the reason that things have fallen
off this year. Heck, the one year they didn't get
to the conference finals, Rob was with Kyrie, and when
he left that wasn't viewed as much that much of
a negative because they positive call it like like it
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is that's what people. They were happy good and they
did what they brought in Kimba Walker and it was working.
And now Kimba, you know, he's having the knee issue.
So he looks like he might be damaged goods. But
that's to me, Rob. Kyrie has absolutely nothing to do
with what's going on now. If you want to say,
had Kyrie gone there fit in with everybody? You know,
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he and Stevens got along, everything was great that we
think we'd be a championship team. Okay, that's fine, but
they had moved on from Kyrie and everything was fine
last year. This year, you can't. This has nothing to
do with Kyrie Irving. No, and it has a lot
to do with Danny An't you remember they had the
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million first round picks. Oh, they got the Celtics. Danny
Ane just stockpiled all these first round picks. Analytics writers excited,
you know exactly. It's about all these first round picks
that haven't really amounted to anything. Uh. The other thing
is um so so Pratt Stevens. You know, they gave
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him a lot of job security. Chris, you've mentioned it.
Four other coaches were like, dude, really like, we're in
this league, We've we've been coaching. They don't have this
kind of security. Got a six year deal right out
of Butler. It's not like you won the if it
was he was a mid major Christian won the national championship.
All right now, I'm now let's talk right now. But
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they never want anything. And now he's in Boston and
I think it's dubious now getting to the conference finals
three out of four, not not punching your ticket once,
like Kenny, get it over the hump? You know, this
might be a team Chris where you might have to
go get somebody. And I saw it in Detroit. Pittons
were good with Rick, Carlisle, Chris and they went out
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and got Larry Brown and what happened and went to
the finals two years in a row. Right, and similar
to you know Carlisle, very tactical getting right, you know
what I'm saying. I'm not saying that he could eventually
couldn't get there because Rick got there and won a championship.
But you might need to do something like that because
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not getting there three out of fours just it becomes
like after a while, like can he get over the hump? Well?
I agree, like he look, he's a good coach. I
don't think anybody's gonna say brass right right, But the
question Rob I think is Kenny handle Ferraris he can
handle the Honda Chords, and he'll make your Honda Chord
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look great. You know, at Butler, you're not getting Blue Chippers, right,
You're not getting guys you gotta deal with egos, Guys
that are going to the league, you know what I mean,
Guys that are wonning done. You're not getting that at Butler,
and early on, that's what he had in Boston. And
then he gets his first Ferrari's Kyrie Irving, and he
can't handle him. I'm not saying Kyrie was blameless, but
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it didn't work out all right. And now you've got
a couple guys who've developed into Ferraris, and you would
think it would work better with them because they you know,
he knows them from day one when they got into
the NBA, Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown. But I don't know
is that an issue? Rob There are coaches in this
league that maximize so so talent, you know what I mean.
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They don't have much talent. They get their guys to
play hard, they run the offense. They played hard for
forty eight minutes eighty two games a year, and they
go forty two and forty and everybody's like, oh my gosh,
this guy is great. This guy can coach, right, then
you give him some major league talent and he over
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coaches right. He can't, he can't. He's over coaching too much.
You wonna let them just do their thing. And I'm
not saying Stevens is that type of guy, but that's
the question that's out there because he hasn't gotten him
over the hump. He couldn't get a get along with Kyrie,
and so it's just something to watch. I think Brad
steven has earned and Stevens has earned the Lee way
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the rope to let him play through this coach through this.
But it's just something you need to watch because ultimately,
if you can't get me over to hump, Rob, then
you can't be my coach. No, but eventually you have
to get there, you know, like like being closed and
all that that. After a while, it's like when is
you gonna win that big game? Right? And that just
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We are good now. I don't know what's going on
with you and Gascon, but he told us to remind
you that your last playoff game was a home loss
to John Elway and the Denver Broncos, and that Terrell
Davis ran all over you, as we told us, Yeah,
like a teenager David Gascon. We're exciting about that because
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we year before. But I remember the Jacksonville Jaguars in
ninety six. We said in the number one seeded the
Lebroncos home and the walk part. So he was upset
about that. So that's why he had So that's why
that's why it's the big this Ye he did conveniently
leave that part out. All right, Let's get to this
tweet that you put out here. It is because everybody's
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talking about Russell Wilson and the Seahawks. This is you.
The more Russell Wilson throws, the worst it is for
him and the team. If he wants to rack up
gaudy stats, he can throw it all day, but the
Hawks don't win when they put it all on his shoulders.
They win consistently because of complimentary football, not pinball shootouts.
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So it sounds like you where are you at on this?
I mean, it sounds like you're riding with the Seahawks
and Russ needs to just go along with the flow
for his own good. Is that what you're saying? I
am saying that like this is definitely because I know
you gotta love comparisons or whatever. Russell Wilson needs to
decide doesn't want to be Tom Brady, doesn't want to
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be Drew Brees. Okay, tom Brady is an ultimate winner.
Tom Brady has won a bunch of different styles when
it came to the Patriots and even the Bucks. Sometimes
it's been tom Brady driving the bus. Sometimes it's been
the defense and the running game. Sometimes it's been complimentary
players in the kicking end that has enabled Tom Brady
to win at the highest level. Z Brees has thrown
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it all over the yard. He's learned every possible individual
honor that you possibly can win, maybe MVP. He has
five thousand years seasons at the Wazoo, and it's all
been on him that he has won Super Bowl ring.
And so when Russ has to realize, when I played
as the game manages a complimentary brow. I let Pete
Carroll do his thing. I went to back to back
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Super Bowls, I won one. Since it's become about Russ
the playmaker and let Russ cook. We haven't seen the
CFC or to the NFC Championship game. So he has
to make a determination how his legacy winds up. Because
we've talked about legacy in those things, Russ, what's more important?
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Is it about the winsor's about the way that you win?
Running through the number three? He has to make good decisions.
He's the only one who going to sign that. I
want to switch over to the Cowboys. And what's going
on with Dak Prescott? What do you expect to happen here?
I mean, this is surprising of how long this has
been drawn out. Obviously he's coming off an injury. But
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how come they never signed them from Jump Street? When
the longer you wait and only cost you more money?
And do you expect Dak to be maybe with another team?
Is this going to end in divorce? No? No, I
think Jack could be a round. I think, man, this
is a negotiation, and Jerry Jones love the negotiation, and
I think he mistlayed us in early and now he's
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having to pay and the builders come due. And so
the situation that they found themselves in, either they're gonna
have to pay Dak Prescott thirty seven million dollars on
the franchise tag, or they're going to have to pay
him over forty million dollars a year on a four
or five or six year deal. What does Jerry Jones
want to do? And if I'm Dak Prescott, I know
people are saying he's coming off the injury, but Dak
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Prescott kind of holds all the cards and the leverage
because a couple of years ago, when they offered him
the deal, the money guaranteed they were willing to give
him was one hundred and five million guaranteed. He if
he plays on the plan, trust that a third year
and those three years because it goes up forty four
percent next year to fifty four million, and three years
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he would have earned one hundred and twenty two million
and you'll have an opportunity to get signed. So this
is business is business. The Cowboys miss played the hand,
so then they have to pay the five if they
pay him, whether they started on the franchise tag and
give him a long term deal. However it works out,
if he's getting forty million dollars a year, what do
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you think is going to happen with the Cowboys as
a team, because obviously they won't have money to go
out half pieces. You can argue they got pieces even
though they didn't play well last year, Like, how good
do you think they would be or will be going
forward if they end up paying him that type of money.
So now they've miscalculated how they built the team because
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the ka Z and they play the market before they
paid the quarterback, so they basically run shopping without a
budget or anything. So now here's the thing that would
change everything when it comes to dacks money or whatever.
The NFL is about to do their TV deal. When
the TV money kicks in, the salary cap should have
a major jump. So the deal that Dack signs, now,
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it'll be reasonable by the time that new salary cap
or kicks in and those things. It may be uncomfortable
for a year, but after that, I mean it'll be fine.
And those deals that we're talking about, oh my gosh,
I can't believe their pay these quarterbacks forty million dollars
it'll be a blip on the radar because everyone will
be getting paid in a new salary cap era when
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they usher in this new TV money. Okay, if I'm
the check ins and you got a quarterback in Deshaan
Watson who doesn't want to be there, I gotta make
a deal. I don't know how you can force somebody
to play. He's not going to give you his all.
I don't care what he says about being professional. When
someone doesn't want to be there, what would you do?
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You're gonna dance for me now? Because I've already given
you that check. So I give him a check for
twenty seven million dollars in September. If he the times
that he doesn't want to pay, he has to give
back twenty one million dollars. And so right there in
the y'all season is great, everyone's talking to help. But man,
when you start losing money out of your pocket and
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you have to pay back a signing bonus that maybe
you spent some of it, that's when it becomes a
real deal. The challenge will be are the Houston Tech
and the management staff. Do they have the cajony to
hang in there when it gets uncomfortable in the media
world because if they do, the leverages really get the
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team because new CBA has made the fine so prohibitive
that if you begin to miss days, they can come
and get all your money. And so I mean, look, Rob,
you know it. In Detroit, Calvin Johnson is still man
that the land went after his money when he retired
before his contract with which I don't understand he did quit.
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I just don't understand why he thinks I should be paid.
I really that. I'm surprised with Calvin for real. Yeah
so so so the money. When you start talking about
the money and the check stop coming, that's when it
becomes real. So the Texans have to hold the water
and just make sure that they don't care because the
leverage is still in their favors. Wow, okay, so you
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wouldn't trade him. No, I'm not trading Hi because I
gotta talk. I have a top five quarterback who is
twenty five years old. It is so hard to find
a franchise quarterback in the draft. The last thing that
I'm gonna do and I'm gonna give up one who's
not even really in his time yet. I'm not giving
up one that's entering his prime when I have him
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on a deal, No way, I'm not. I'm not trying
to go and find another one because Houston Texans have
to put on their big boy camp and they have
to be willing to deal with the uncomfortable nature of
this negotiation because if they do, when it gets to
the season, the leverage goes back the legage with him,
the leverage continues to go with them. All right, So
let's go back to Seattle. Now. Russell Wilson has not
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asked for a trade, but his agent has told the
team if they trade him, I want to stay in Seattle.
Don't get me wrong. But if you trade me Dallas,
New Orleans, Miami or the Las Vegas Raiders, what would
you do if you're Seattle? Same same tact as you
take with Deshaun Watson or what. No, this is a
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little different, right, It's a little different because if there's
certain ways that the Seattle Shaks can't handle this. Right,
Russell's thirty two, I think we're soon to be thirty three.
What year they can get out to deal? Next year
be a twenty six community by the dead cat hit.
So I think with the ccawks have to figure out.
They have to have discussions like, hey, look, man, is
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the juice work the squeeze? We should recognize Russell as
a top five, top ten quarterback, but he is also
getting up in age and as he's increasingly asking for
more and kind of becoming more of a diva. Do
we really want to deal with this because it's really
a playing style thing. Because Peter has a philosophy that
has been very successful for him in college and with
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the Seahawks. Does he change to appease Russell Wilson without
the guarantee that Russell's way is going to lead him
to greater success. I think at some point the Clcahawks
may come to the end of the line and say,
you know what, we're better off with another quarterback and
we will let Russ go if we can get back
enough compensation for him. You got you got something right. No,
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Bucky Pete Carroll hasn't been that successful without Russell Wilson
in the NFL, you know what I'm saying. Like he was,
he was having losing seasons until Russ got there. I
get it. Russ wasn't slinging the football and carrying the team,
but he has been the guy that's made you know,
one of the guys has made them win. You sure
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you want them? They win thirty one from nineteen seventy
six to twenty eleven without a franchise quarterback. You said,
you know how hard it is to get one. You're
ready to move on that quickly. Well, I'm ready to
move on from Russ based on Russ not buying into
how the team has to play. Like once again, it's
a conversation, Tom Brady, Drew brees. Russ is fine as
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long as he can play his way. I get all
the money, I get to set the terms for what
I want to play. I gotta have an offensive line,
I gotta have my weapon. I need to have a
defense for a dog on Russ while we paying you
all the money for it, Like what do you make
your right? And so at some point that's why you
pay the guys a big ball. If I'm not paying
you the big bucks, then I can give you all
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the luxury items that you want to win, but you
can't have it all on a short term deal. Crush
us a cripple us on the Sellery cabin and then
complain and say that you don't have everything when you
look at the tape, you can say, hey, Russ, this
ain't all them. Some of this is you when we
let you cook this year. The first eight games it
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was great. The last eight were boo boo. Against the
playoff games. You have eight total touchdowns, nine nine giveaways
against the Rams. In the park game, you're going up
letting to twenty seven. Hey man, I'm not gonna lets
you keep cooking if you're burning up the meal. So
at some point Russ has to get he has to
be better. He has to he has to be better
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if he wants it to be his way. If not,
I'm Pete Carroll like Russ, you're complaining too much? Is
not we're not getting true value on all their turn
that's muvol and will play the way that I know
wins games with or without you. All right, that's Bucky Brooks.
We appreciated one last thing real quick. What'd you say?
It was nine touchdowns and eight and eight touchdowns and
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nine interceptions against playoff teams. Eight eight total touchdown, nine
giveaways against playoff team. Okay, you forgot to mention they
stopped letting him cook at that point, didn't they let
him cook? The first half of the season, and then
they look back to Pete Carroll's tried. In true, they
stopped letting them cook because every time you get the
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paycase and paincakes a charge. Every time you get the eggs,
the eggs are overdone for people that you know what, Russ,
I gotta get you off the kids. We're gonna order
room service, and we're gonna do it this way. So
they went back to running the football because Russ couldn't
have the responsibility of doing it. If you look at
there's a four game stretch where he had a million turnover.
They're like, nah, dude, we gotta scale back. We gotta
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get back to running the football and doing it. Because
the problem with Russell when teams are playing against the Seas,
when they're not running the ball, they're playing two to
be covered to the quarterback has to be precise and
a quick rhythm pastor Russ doesn't operate on rhythm. Russ
is a san loot freelance player, so it's hard for
the offense to develop rhythm. If his game was different,
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then yeah, you can say, hey, Russ will do your thing,
but he doesn't play according to script. It's hard to
build an offense like that around the talent like Russ
who is kind of doing his own thing. All right,
that's Bucky Brooks. We will continue this later, Bucky. We
will definitely continue this later. Great stuff, man. We appreciate
your time. All right, man, we talked to you.
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