February 26, 2021 • 32 mins
Chris and Rob explain why Anthony Davis is wrong for suggesting that LeBron James doesn't care about winning the MVP award, take international soccer star Zlatan Ibrahimovic to task for saying that LeBron shouldn't speak up on political issues, and share their thoughts on Shaquille O'Neal calling today's NBA players 'bums'.
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You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brush and Rob Harker. Well, speaking of the Dodgers,
let's go to La Rob and a lot of talk,
I mean, And to be honest, maybe it's just today's
sports climate. You know. We we have so many talk
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shows on television and radio that maybe this is just
how it is nowadays. You're gonna talk about stuff. But Rob,
we're not even halfway through the season yet, and the
MVP Award in the NBA is almost a daily discussion,
you know. And so Anthony Davis did a story for
The Athletic or an interview with The Athletic, and he
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talked about he was asked about Lebron, A lot of
talk about Lebron in his eighteenth year, maybe becoming, you know,
the only player ever to win an MVP Award at
such a late stage of his career. It's funny because
of the column I wrote yesterday, right, was it when
you said he lost it already today? Yea, yeah, yeah,
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we're talked about today. So A d said Lebron couldn't
care less about the MVP award. Here's his quote. Put
it to you like this. I know that that man
does not care about MVP awards. He cares about championships.
So if he loses the MVP and wins the championship
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like he did last year, he doesn't care. So that's
what his mindset is. He's not focused on MVPs. He's
focused on finals, mv pas. I'm gonna let you go
first on this, Rob What hello? Does Anthony Davis even
listen to Lebron? I don't think he even He's never
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heard Lebron talk about the MVP. Do you remember the
hissy fitty through last year, Chris when he saw it?
What would vote total or anybody that does it? Here?
It goes piss me off, It's my truly, that's my
true answer. Um, it pissed me off because Um, out
of one hundred and one votes, I got sixteen first
first place votes. Um, that's what pissed me off more
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than anything. UM, you know, not saying that, Um, you know,
the winner wasn't deserving of the MVP, but that pissed
me off. UM and I finished second a lot in
my in my career, UM, either from a championship and
now four times as an MVP. UM. You know, like
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I said, I never I never came into this league
saying let me be MVP or you know, be a champion.
I've always I just want to get better and better
every single day, and those things that take care of herself.
There's some things that's just out of my hand and
some things you can't control. But they pissed me off.
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So Anthony Davis, and that sounded like a guy who
could care less about the MVP. He knows the vote total,
wouldn't even say ye, honest's name. Well, and I'm not
saying about the winner, you know, whoever that whoever won,
you know, like, okay, stop it. He wants to win
an MVP. He wants to build his resume. Chris, when
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the season started, we both set on this very radio
show about ten days ago and said he was a leader,
didn't we Yep, he's I said it. Yes, you called
me to Lebron hater. I said he was the MVP
ten days ago live and the living color, he ain't
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no more. And the idea that Anthony Davis is saying
he doesn't care about it and this and that, I
just I'm not saying makes you look bad a d right.
You really it's not like we're saying that's what drives him,
but because he wants to win. That's why he was
so hurt last year. It was a lad slide and slide.
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He was, for lack of a better word, complained when
Derek Rose won it in twenty eleven, and complained a
bit when Mark Gasol one Defensive Player of the Year
in twenty thirteen. And so Lebron wants to win MVPs
and A D I get it. You go to bat
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for your boy and your teammate. But this is ridiculous
because Lebron's own words, uh, defy what you said. So
now you just look like you We can't really trust
you to believe what you're saying, you know when you
comment on your teammates and stuff. But let me say this, Yes,
Lebron wants to win MVP awards, and I got no
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problem with it. Nobody should let me. Is this thing on,
Rob Park? Is this thing on Lebron James is a
human being, all right? He likes accolades. I got no
problem whatsoever with Lebron wanting to win as many MVPs
as possible. That doesn't mean he doesn't also want to
win the championship, or that he doesn't want to win
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the championship more, but he wants to win MVP. ROB.
The only players that don't care about winning MVP awards,
Rob are the players that know they can't win it, right,
the players that got in your mindset you don't even
think about it. Right. No, I was a star basketball
player in high school, and I care that that about
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all conference, making all city, all that stuff. In college,
I was a role player. I didn't care about being
All conference because I knew I wasn't gonna be all conference.
I mean, I was a role player and that's the mindset.
So Lebron James is a superstar. Yes, he wants to
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win every MVP award he's eligible for, and I'm fine
with it. He should. Michael Jordan wanted it, Uh, Kim,
Elijah Wan Shock, Kobe, Kareem, Magic Bird, They all wanted it.
That's one thing that helped make them so great. Chris,
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So why don't you just be honest? Ad? Yeah, he look,
Lebron's the best player in the world. He wants to
win the MVP Award. He wants the finals more, yes,
championships more. But he also does want the MVP Award. Yes,
that drives him. Just be honest. I just want to
clarify one thing. When you said you were a role player?
Is Za Kaiser or Pumpernickel? What kind of role were
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you that might Alex? Who were you might trying to
register how bad it was? That might be the worst
joke yet. Rob of the two and a half years
together on this show, I'm always trying to get better,
all right, whatever, And let me say this Rock, because
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a lot of the analytics guys, you know, they will
say and look, Lebron has been the best player, you know,
for the most part for the past what decade, twelve
year or something like that. And guess what, Michael Jordan
was the best player in the league for probably twelve
years or so straight and Michael only won five Lebron's
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won four career years. What people were saying, like Michael
could have won it every year, But then what years
Charles Barkley was better played great, you know what I mean?
So people, I don't ever a better player than Jordan,
but he was. He had a better year, right, I
never remember, Chris, you could tell me, because you know,
I covered Michael Jordan during that time. I don't remember
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him making a stink over somebody else wouldn't on him
not winning. I don't remember. Well, I do remember. I
do remember him always, like you know, because he said
this coming into the league, you know, and early in
the league when Magic and Bird and even Isaiah were winning.
Those were the guys he shot for. And he did,
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you know. I think there's a quote somewhere where he
had told maybe his wife or something, you know, man,
Magic won it again, you know, that type of thing
magic on another MVP. So not in a way that
Magic isn't any good, he didn't, but just but he
wanted to win, right and Lebron wants to win. So
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a d with this story just sounds it sounds silly.
I agree with you, like you want to go to
a guy and get some insight, get you know, I
feel like he's sharing a little something. Man, this guy
burns like you know, like like a quote would have been, like,
you know, I admired at about Lebron even in year
eighteen and all the things he's done, He's still has
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the drive and desire, wants to be the best player
in the league, you know what I mean. And if
he's crowned with an m VP, that would be an
awesome achievement. Not he doesn't care. That's not true, exactly true, right,
like like if a d won the MVP award, he
be overjoyed, you know. And Rob, look, let's keep it
all the way real. Our radio show was voted a
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top twenty national show sports show in the country, which
is a nice higher. But we should have been higher,
no doubt. And we were. We were, I mean, upsets
too strong, but you know we were like yo, really
that's where we're especially some of the relics that were
ahead of us. You know what. I'm just saying that
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that right, that's there your human beings, when you put
you're all into something and you're you're good enough, you
want to be rewarded. Let me finally say this because
a lot of analytics guys, Rob are they'll they'll you know, well,
whether it's Lebron or some other player, or analytically he
should have won the MVP, and this and that. There
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was a There was an award given out from nineteen
eighty four to two thousand and two in the NBA.
It was called the IBM MVP Award. And you know
IBM the technology company, and they gave out an MVP
every year from eighty four to two thousand and two.
And it was based on stats. It was very similar
to today's player efficiency ratings. So it was no subjectivity,
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no eye tests, no taken into account, you know, teammates
and all that stuff. It was purely based on player
efficiency rating or something very close to that. David Robinson
won it more than anybody else five times. Now was
da David Robinson was a great player, Hall of Famer
deservedly and all that. But he wasn't better than Magic.
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He wasn't better than Michael Jordan. Magic won it one,
Twicett No Magic won it once, Charles Barkley won it
three times, Michael Jordan's Shock won it twice, and then
guys like Elijah Wanne, Grant Hill, Dennis Rodman, did Kim Bay, Mutombo,
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Carl Malone, and Tim duncan. They all won it once,
so do we Let's just keep it real because it
is subjective. And Lebron made a point that you know
the criteria changes and shifts. It's just there is no criteria.
The league doesn't give you a list of things to
look for. So every voter has his own criteria. But
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I would rather that, Rob, than the stale analytics statistical
measure and whoever had the highest peer or the highest
ornamentations assists right, because I test matter. Analytics told us Rob,
this is true. A week ago, analytics told us that
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the Lakers were better defendsively with Anthony Davis and Dennis
Shrewder on the bitch, right, that's true. It said they
were better than Nobody will believe that, right, because it's ridiculous.
Look at them now, how how good do they look defensively?
Remember a few years ago when they said Kawhi, Well,
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San Antonio was better defensively without Kawhi. That's what the
analytics said, Come on, and that's when he was really
in his defensive prime. So look, the eye test, subjectivity,
all the human elements that voters want to take into account,
that matters, and that's much better than some computer just
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spitting out who's the MVP every year? So Lebron's got four,
that's great, he's behind Kareem's the highest with six, then
Jordan and Bill Russell with five, and Lebron's next with four.
So I'm with you, though rob Any Davis should have
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He plays for AC Milan and he was critical of
Lebron James for speaking out on political issue. Do we
have that sound rob okay? Here he is. He's a
phenomenal in what he's doing. But I don't like when
people when they have some kind of status and they
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go in and they do politics at the same time
what they're doing, I mean, do what you're good at.
Do the category you do. I play football because I'm
the best in playing football. I don't do politics. If
I would be a political politician, I would do politics.
That is the first mistake people do when they become
famous and they come in a certain st us stay
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out of it, to just do what your best hat
because it doesn't look good. All right, Um, let me
say this quickly, robbing, then you can go go ahead. Um,
he's an out spot. I'm not gonna act like I
know a lot about this, dude, but but what I
do know is that He's very outspoken, very braggadocious, doesn't
bite his tongue, and a lot of people like him
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because he's you know, he'll say what he wants and
he'll he'll call people out, and you know that's the
type of guy he is. But I just wanted to
give that little background before we discuss this. But go ahead, Rob,
I just I think he's out of bounds. I just
whenever people tell people what they should do. So let
me get this right, Chris. I can be a damn bartender.
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I can be a bus driver, I can be the
guy who sells donuts at the bus terminal, and I
could talk about politics, But if you're an athlete, you can't,
since when what logic does that make the woman at
who checked out my grocery she could talk about politics,
but I'm an athlete and I can't. You're a citizen first,
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would you guys stop with this that they don't live
in this country, they're not affected by what goes on.
Athletes have just as much right as the average joe.
The only freaking reason people don't want to hear from
them is because they don't have the same opinion as you.
That's why you don't want to hear from them. It
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ain't got nothing to do with them being an athlete. Really,
the guy running a convenience story, he has an opinion
about politics. Stop it with all this, Chris, I can't
take it anymore. Well, if this guy were a white
American or even from one of the wealthier nations in Europe,
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I would say this is white privilege. But obviously Croatian, Bosnian,
he's had it tough for self and as people have,
so I won't go the white privilege route. But what
I'll say is, obviously Lebron James is an African American,
and all African American athletes obviously don't speak out. The greatest,
arguably of them all, Michael Jordan did not speak out,
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so everyone's not going to. However, Rob, I've said this
before and I'll say it again. African Americans have needed
our athletes to speak out. And I am firmly convinced,
firmly convinced that if African Americans were not such great athletes, Rob,
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and to a lesser degree, entertainers, music, comedy, acting, all
that stuff, I do not think we'd be as far
as we are in this nation. I don't think we
would be. Obviously, we still got ways to go, but
I don't think we'd be accepted to the degree that
we are today. But white men, like all American men,
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for the most part, love sports, and blacks have just
been dominant for the last sixty years, you know, once
we got the opportunity to really you know, playing and
not be held back because of our skin color. And
because we've been so dominant, that's endeared us to white
Americans to some degree. And I'm not saying it's made
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everything perfect, obviously, but it has had an impact. It
shouldn't take that we could have sucked in sports, and
we still should be treated equal, but it has been
a factor, I really believe, rob And then when you're athletes,
you're Muhammed Alis, you're Jim Browns Jr. Bill Russells, and
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today you're Lebron James Is and guys like that, when
they do speak out and share the black or what
many black people feel. I'm not gonna say just the
black perspective, right because not all, but when they share
a sentiment that is common in the black community, it
has power because, to be honest, the status show you
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white Americans are the most segregated group of Americans in
the country, and so a lot don't really interact on
a daily basis with African Americans, and if they do,
sometimes it may be at work and it's not really
you know, a level playing field, so to speak. And
so a lot of times they don't know how black
people feel, or what black people are thinking about, or
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what goes on in the black community in the inner city.
So I think it's very important for black athletes to
speak out. I don't even know if this has ever
happened to you, and it might have because we both
worked in New York. And New York you work and
you walk in the streets, Chris, and you run into people. Right.
It's not like most cities in America. You get in
your car, you go to where you go, and you
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get out. You walk from the parking lot right, right,
so you don't run into But in the New York
you can run into people on the street, subway. You
might be people to take the subway. Everybody can't drive,
so so you know, rich people are packed in the subway, Chris,
were poor people, right. That's that's New York, right. I
don't know how many times you're working with somebody, somebody
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white in the office. They see you every day, they
speak to you every day, Chris, and you're out in
the street and they walk past you like they don't
even know you. Really, I have not had that happen.
I've had that happen where I'm like hey, hey, to
get their attention, and not that they're not looking anywhere.
Is that when they're all like you, they don't see me.
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Is what I'm saying, is they see a black person,
but in the office where they're where they're expecting to
see me. Do you see what I'm saying Like this,
It's just a difference. That's what I've I've noticed to me, Like,
you know, like that's happened. But but your point about
being segregated and not really living in the black world
or dealing with black people, I think a lot of
people live that way and I do. And I think
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the biggest issue is not that athletes are saying something.
It's that it's not what they want. And I'll just
say this and I'm just gonna keep it real. You know.
Clay Travis says all the time about politics right likes
to show the shouldn't be a politics political show Yes,
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that's what that That was my point. That's exactly my
point is that he has a show where uh Trump
was on it. So so I just like you're saying
the NBA shouldn't be woked because shouldn't be about politics,
and you have politics. Do you see what I'm saying?
And I bring it up just for the point of
the idea that it's because it's not what you want
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to hear. That's why you have a problem with it,
not that they have something to say. I agree, and
I'm gonna be honest too, Rob, And you may feel
the same way I to be. When I hear an
athlete speaking out against something I don't agree with, and
I'm if I adamantly disagree with him, I don't really
want to hear it either. So I get it. That's
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how human beings are. Like if if top big time
athletes are speaking out about something and this doesn't really
happen generally, but I'm just saying, being honest, if somebody
were speaking out and pushing something that I didn't agree with,
then I wouldn't want to hear it either. So that
is what it boils down to. I don't think people
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mind having athletes speak out. It's just what they're saying.
You're right to your point, Rob. A lot of people
that claim that they don't want to hear athletes speak out.
Let's say, and let's say that they didn't like you know,
Lebron obviously was promoting Biden and Kamala Harris and all
that stuff. If you would have add an athlete, let's
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say Tom Brady, if he comes up there. You know,
Donald Trump is my friend. I think he's been a
great president. I'm voting for him. Like they would have
loved that, would have loved, they would have loved they
loved it, would have been on every commercial cred right,
don't don't act like it, and and and all the guys.
The only reason that they didn't use guys Christian know
who came out for for Trump in that way, like
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old white guys Mike Dick and old former football coaches,
you know what I mean, and people like that. And
so they didn't use that. But those are the guys,
not like the big stars of today. Imagine Aaron Rodgers
or you know, Tom Brady or people like that. Don't
tell me they wouldn't use that or they wouldn't embrace it. Yes,
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they would, right, yes, they would. And it just it
boils down to this route. You gotta right to say something.
And I again, in the whether you're white, black, or
whatever your race or ethnicity, you can speak out on
what you want. And if you if you're an athlete
and you want to use your platform for a greater good,
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obviously you're not every time you take the mic saying something. No,
you can't be on the no, but when it's when
it's relevant, appropriate as relevant. And I have no problem again,
and I'll be honest, like I said, if I don't
agree with the guy, I'm kind of tired of it. Yeah,
but that's just how it is. People have the freedom
to say what they want to say. And again to
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the to the black athletes, they are largely and certainly
years ago, the most beloved African Americans in the country.
I mean, let's just keep it real. And they're irreplaceable.
You can't replace the lebron James Leron can say whatever
he wants and you might not like it, maybe you
won't buy his shoes, but you ain't gonna cut him.
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He that dude is irreplaceable. And and other you know,
Pat Mahomes and other same things. So, uh, we need
them to speak out on certain issues. I'm not going
to degrade or berate the ones that don't. You know,
I love Michael Jordan. We all love him as a player,
and even as we we wanted him to speak out, Yeah,
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we wanted him to speak out. But everybody, what I
would say is this, and this goes again for any
race or ethnicity. You don't have to be an expert.
You can app that you're gonna be playing ball. You're
not gonna know as much maybe as someone who studies
that butt. But that's what I just brought up about
the people work at Walgreens or at the grocery store
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or driving a cab. You know what. It doesn't mean
that you can't have an opinion, right. I would just say, though,
when you do speak out, have a little knowledge and again,
especially if we're talking about the black community, have a
little bit of knowledge of what you're saying, so you
don't make a fool out of yourself. And a lot
of times people look at you as a representative of
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your group of people, and so I would just say,
have at Again, you don't have to be an expert,
but have a little bit of knowledge about it. Fox
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are to listen live. Speaking of big stars, Rob, now
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this one has something to say. Shaquille O'Neill. Now, Shaq
has robbed. I think he's become really good on that
TNT set inside the NBA with Charles Barkley and Kenney
Smith and Ernie Johnson. And that's not easy to do, Rob,
you know, I mean, they had such a good thing
going with just the three of them that you could
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ruin it if you put the wrong guy. And you
know what I mean. I'm just wish shock Shack mumbles
a little bit too much for me. Chris, he always
has no I know, but I'm just saying that's the
only thing. Like sometimes I can remember his first day
on the show. Do you remember his first day on
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or notice? Well I remember his first several Maybe I
didn't think he was good initially. I was watching his
debut and guess what, somebody from home tweeted, I swear
and I was like, right on the money, and the
guy tweeted, turn up Shacks Mike because you couldn't hear
him like that was this first turn up shacks Mike. No,
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his Mike has turned up, but ahead, no, no. I
mean but I thought when he first got on the show,
which is natural, I thought he was trying to be
an analyst, you know, like like trying to This is
an overstatement, but you know, sound like Bryant Gumbel or
Bob cos right, it's not. Somebody got to him and said, look, Shock,
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be yourself. You were an all time great player. Just
give us the insight from you. Like you're sitting around
talking to the other guys who play ball. Just talk
and that's what he's good at. But you know he look, Rob,
you just said it. If you're sitting around talking with
your boys about the game. If you're sitting around talking
with your boys about the game, sometimes you're gonna be critical,
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right Yo, Man, he ain't no good now this dude
get his money or how you know, man, they need
to stop playing him whatever. And that's what Shock's done.
He's gotten some criticism for it. A lot of the
current players don't like it, and Shock has said last
night he's going to dial it down here. He is
my mother pulled me inside the last night and said, baby,
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take it easy on the young guys. So you're gonna
see a new approach from me talking about these bumps
Rob the way he said it, I mean, do you
I don't know if he's I think he may try
to have a new approach. I don't. I just but
I think he's probably gonna revert to doing what I
can tech shock. Right now, I'd say scrapped the new approach.
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Just be honest. You don't need to talk about people's money.
That's the only thing I'll criticize him Chris about. But
if you don't think a guy's a good player, or
or the guy needs to improve, and you could point
out what he needs to do or ways to improve
or what's wrong, I'm all for that. Everybody's not gonna
like you shock everybody. So so once you get over that.
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I think I told you this before. My mom told
me that when I was a kid, she said everybody
didn't like Jesus Christ either. It's okay, everybody's not gonna
like you because you could say a million nice things
about somebody and the first time you say something to
point out something they're mad at. You do you know
what I mean, Like, so you just get over it now,
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You're absolutely right. You especially in this business, you know
that you're written pieces, like tons of pieces positive and
you write one piece and it's like, oh, why what
are you doing? Christ? Why you gotta write that? You
know you ain't what you pieces? I wrote exactly, It's true.
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And the thing is this, And this is what I
would say to the current players. And I get it.
Nobody likes being criticized. Nobody likes being criticized on national television.
Nobody likes being criticized by somebody they see at an
All Star game, at a regular game or whatever, just
somewhere and you, you know, you roll you cool? Yo?
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What up? Bro? How you doing? Man's right? So I
get that that's human nature. But here's what I would
say to the players. We whether it's just regular broadcasters
like us or even former players shock Charles Barkley, whoever,
we're just as you said earlier, we're sitting around critiquing
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the game. Yes, that's it. And if you listen to
some of the players on podcasts, whether it's Kyrie on
the podcast, KD on the podcast, whoever, they do the
same thing. Once they start talking sports that. I mean,
Kyrie said it. Man, it's the first time I have
somebody I can really throw the rock to and feel
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like he gonna hit that shot. You was doing the
same thing as us, you know, I mean it, That's
all it is. And just you wouldn't want that person
to think you hate them or you're a hater or whatever.
You were just giving your opinion. You might be right,
you might be wrong, but it was just your opinion.
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And that's what the players have to understand. And this
is the other issue I have is now, First it
was they wanted to rip us because we didn't play
in the league. Okay, if that's what you want to use,
even though there's a ton of great coaches Chris who
never played in the NBA, never played in the NFL,
never played major college football. Whatever, here money if you
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think to that point right quickly, because I know you
want to finish. I don't know how to fix my
car engine, but I can tell if you, the so
called expert, jacked it up right. And I'm allowed to say, yo, dude,
what you're doing? What are you doing right? I'm not
a mechanic, but I know it ain't right. Exactly. So
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that's it. That's there, it is. And my other point,
and I'm just gonna finish, is you don't want us
to criticize you. Then they put up former players at
the highest level. Now you don't want them to criticize you.
So which one is it, Chris? Is it that we
didn't play in the league, So what do we know
about playing in the NBA? Or is it that Shack
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and Charles and Kenny. Well they're grumpy old men and
they're just better because they didn't make the money we made. Well,
which one is it? Right? Right? It's just it is
what it is. And like I said, you know, when
players did they sit around and and sometimes you know, Rob,
we've had conversations with players off the record, and they'll
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be critical to players, right, I mean, it's so it's
that's all it is. Everybody just like you have your
opinions about what a guy did right, what a guy
did wrong. Who's better than who we do too? And
we're just saying them publicly because that's our job and
that's what that's what we want, right, you know, No,
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Chris Brush and Rob Harker. Well, speaking of the Dodgers,
let's go to La Rob and a lot of talk,
I mean, And to be honest, maybe it's just today's
sports climate. You know. We we have so many talk
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shows on television and radio that maybe this is just
how it is nowadays. You're gonna talk about stuff. But Rob,
we're not even halfway through the season yet, and the
MVP Award in the NBA is almost a daily discussion,
you know. And so Anthony Davis did a story for
The Athletic or an interview with The Athletic, and he
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talked about he was asked about Lebron, A lot of
talk about Lebron in his eighteenth year, maybe becoming, you know,
the only player ever to win an MVP Award at
such a late stage of his career. It's funny because
of the column I wrote yesterday, right, was it when
you said he lost it already today? Yea, yeah, yeah,
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we're talked about today. So A d said Lebron couldn't
care less about the MVP award. Here's his quote. Put
it to you like this. I know that that man
does not care about MVP awards. He cares about championships.
So if he loses the MVP and wins the championship
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like he did last year, he doesn't care. So that's
what his mindset is. He's not focused on MVPs. He's
focused on finals, mv pas. I'm gonna let you go
first on this, Rob What hello? Does Anthony Davis even
listen to Lebron? I don't think he even He's never
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heard Lebron talk about the MVP. Do you remember the
hissy fitty through last year, Chris when he saw it?
What would vote total or anybody that does it? Here?
It goes piss me off, It's my truly, that's my
true answer. Um, it pissed me off because Um, out
of one hundred and one votes, I got sixteen first
first place votes. Um, that's what pissed me off more
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than anything. UM, you know, not saying that, Um, you know,
the winner wasn't deserving of the MVP, but that pissed
me off. UM and I finished second a lot in
my in my career, UM, either from a championship and
now four times as an MVP. UM. You know, like
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I said, I never I never came into this league
saying let me be MVP or you know, be a champion.
I've always I just want to get better and better
every single day, and those things that take care of herself.
There's some things that's just out of my hand and
some things you can't control. But they pissed me off.
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So Anthony Davis, and that sounded like a guy who
could care less about the MVP. He knows the vote total,
wouldn't even say ye, honest's name. Well, and I'm not
saying about the winner, you know, whoever that whoever won,
you know, like, okay, stop it. He wants to win
an MVP. He wants to build his resume. Chris, when
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the season started, we both set on this very radio
show about ten days ago and said he was a leader,
didn't we Yep, he's I said it. Yes, you called
me to Lebron hater. I said he was the MVP
ten days ago live and the living color, he ain't
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no more. And the idea that Anthony Davis is saying
he doesn't care about it and this and that, I
just I'm not saying makes you look bad a d right.
You really it's not like we're saying that's what drives him,
but because he wants to win. That's why he was
so hurt last year. It was a lad slide and slide.
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He was, for lack of a better word, complained when
Derek Rose won it in twenty eleven, and complained a
bit when Mark Gasol one Defensive Player of the Year
in twenty thirteen. And so Lebron wants to win MVPs
and A D I get it. You go to bat
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for your boy and your teammate. But this is ridiculous
because Lebron's own words, uh, defy what you said. So
now you just look like you We can't really trust
you to believe what you're saying, you know when you
comment on your teammates and stuff. But let me say this, Yes,
Lebron wants to win MVP awards, and I got no
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problem with it. Nobody should let me. Is this thing on,
Rob Park? Is this thing on Lebron James is a
human being, all right? He likes accolades. I got no
problem whatsoever with Lebron wanting to win as many MVPs
as possible. That doesn't mean he doesn't also want to
win the championship, or that he doesn't want to win
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the championship more, but he wants to win MVP. ROB.
The only players that don't care about winning MVP awards,
Rob are the players that know they can't win it, right,
the players that got in your mindset you don't even
think about it. Right. No, I was a star basketball
player in high school, and I care that that about
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all conference, making all city, all that stuff. In college,
I was a role player. I didn't care about being
All conference because I knew I wasn't gonna be all conference.
I mean, I was a role player and that's the mindset.
So Lebron James is a superstar. Yes, he wants to
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win every MVP award he's eligible for, and I'm fine
with it. He should. Michael Jordan wanted it, Uh, Kim,
Elijah Wan Shock, Kobe, Kareem, Magic Bird, They all wanted it.
That's one thing that helped make them so great. Chris,
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So why don't you just be honest? Ad? Yeah, he look,
Lebron's the best player in the world. He wants to
win the MVP Award. He wants the finals more, yes,
championships more. But he also does want the MVP Award. Yes,
that drives him. Just be honest. I just want to
clarify one thing. When you said you were a role player?
Is Za Kaiser or Pumpernickel? What kind of role were
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you that might Alex? Who were you might trying to
register how bad it was? That might be the worst
joke yet. Rob of the two and a half years
together on this show, I'm always trying to get better,
all right, whatever, And let me say this Rock, because
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a lot of the analytics guys, you know, they will
say and look, Lebron has been the best player, you know,
for the most part for the past what decade, twelve
year or something like that. And guess what, Michael Jordan
was the best player in the league for probably twelve
years or so straight and Michael only won five Lebron's
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won four career years. What people were saying, like Michael
could have won it every year, But then what years
Charles Barkley was better played great, you know what I mean?
So people, I don't ever a better player than Jordan,
but he was. He had a better year, right, I
never remember, Chris, you could tell me, because you know,
I covered Michael Jordan during that time. I don't remember
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him making a stink over somebody else wouldn't on him
not winning. I don't remember. Well, I do remember. I
do remember him always, like you know, because he said
this coming into the league, you know, and early in
the league when Magic and Bird and even Isaiah were winning.
Those were the guys he shot for. And he did,
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you know. I think there's a quote somewhere where he
had told maybe his wife or something, you know, man,
Magic won it again, you know, that type of thing
magic on another MVP. So not in a way that
Magic isn't any good, he didn't, but just but he
wanted to win, right and Lebron wants to win. So
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a d with this story just sounds it sounds silly.
I agree with you, like you want to go to
a guy and get some insight, get you know, I
feel like he's sharing a little something. Man, this guy
burns like you know, like like a quote would have been, like,
you know, I admired at about Lebron even in year
eighteen and all the things he's done, He's still has
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the drive and desire, wants to be the best player
in the league, you know what I mean. And if
he's crowned with an m VP, that would be an
awesome achievement. Not he doesn't care. That's not true, exactly true, right,
like like if a d won the MVP award, he
be overjoyed, you know. And Rob, look, let's keep it
all the way real. Our radio show was voted a
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top twenty national show sports show in the country, which
is a nice higher. But we should have been higher,
no doubt. And we were. We were, I mean, upsets
too strong, but you know we were like yo, really
that's where we're especially some of the relics that were
ahead of us. You know what. I'm just saying that
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that right, that's there your human beings, when you put
you're all into something and you're you're good enough, you
want to be rewarded. Let me finally say this because
a lot of analytics guys, Rob are they'll they'll you know, well,
whether it's Lebron or some other player, or analytically he
should have won the MVP, and this and that. There
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was a There was an award given out from nineteen
eighty four to two thousand and two in the NBA.
It was called the IBM MVP Award. And you know
IBM the technology company, and they gave out an MVP
every year from eighty four to two thousand and two.
And it was based on stats. It was very similar
to today's player efficiency ratings. So it was no subjectivity,
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no eye tests, no taken into account, you know, teammates
and all that stuff. It was purely based on player
efficiency rating or something very close to that. David Robinson
won it more than anybody else five times. Now was
da David Robinson was a great player, Hall of Famer
deservedly and all that. But he wasn't better than Magic.
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He wasn't better than Michael Jordan. Magic won it one,
Twicett No Magic won it once, Charles Barkley won it
three times, Michael Jordan's Shock won it twice, and then
guys like Elijah Wanne, Grant Hill, Dennis Rodman, did Kim Bay, Mutombo,
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Carl Malone, and Tim duncan. They all won it once,
so do we Let's just keep it real because it
is subjective. And Lebron made a point that you know
the criteria changes and shifts. It's just there is no criteria.
The league doesn't give you a list of things to
look for. So every voter has his own criteria. But
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I would rather that, Rob, than the stale analytics statistical
measure and whoever had the highest peer or the highest
ornamentations assists right, because I test matter. Analytics told us Rob,
this is true. A week ago, analytics told us that
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the Lakers were better defendsively with Anthony Davis and Dennis
Shrewder on the bitch, right, that's true. It said they
were better than Nobody will believe that, right, because it's ridiculous.
Look at them now, how how good do they look defensively?
Remember a few years ago when they said Kawhi, Well,
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San Antonio was better defensively without Kawhi. That's what the
analytics said, Come on, and that's when he was really
in his defensive prime. So look, the eye test, subjectivity,
all the human elements that voters want to take into account,
that matters, and that's much better than some computer just
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spitting out who's the MVP every year? So Lebron's got four,
that's great, he's behind Kareem's the highest with six, then
Jordan and Bill Russell with five, and Lebron's next with four.
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have that sound rob okay? Here he is. He's a
phenomenal in what he's doing. But I don't like when
people when they have some kind of status and they
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go in and they do politics at the same time
what they're doing, I mean, do what you're good at.
Do the category you do. I play football because I'm
the best in playing football. I don't do politics. If
I would be a political politician, I would do politics.
That is the first mistake people do when they become
famous and they come in a certain st us stay
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out of it, to just do what your best hat
because it doesn't look good. All right, Um, let me
say this quickly, robbing, then you can go go ahead. Um,
he's an out spot. I'm not gonna act like I
know a lot about this, dude, but but what I
do know is that He's very outspoken, very braggadocious, doesn't
bite his tongue, and a lot of people like him
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because he's you know, he'll say what he wants and
he'll he'll call people out, and you know that's the
type of guy he is. But I just wanted to
give that little background before we discuss this. But go ahead, Rob,
I just I think he's out of bounds. I just
whenever people tell people what they should do. So let
me get this right, Chris. I can be a damn bartender.
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I can be a bus driver, I can be the
guy who sells donuts at the bus terminal, and I
could talk about politics, But if you're an athlete, you can't,
since when what logic does that make the woman at
who checked out my grocery she could talk about politics,
but I'm an athlete and I can't. You're a citizen first,
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would you guys stop with this that they don't live
in this country, they're not affected by what goes on.
Athletes have just as much right as the average joe.
The only freaking reason people don't want to hear from
them is because they don't have the same opinion as you.
That's why you don't want to hear from them. It
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ain't got nothing to do with them being an athlete. Really,
the guy running a convenience story, he has an opinion
about politics. Stop it with all this, Chris, I can't
take it anymore. Well, if this guy were a white
American or even from one of the wealthier nations in Europe,
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I would say this is white privilege. But obviously Croatian, Bosnian,
he's had it tough for self and as people have,
so I won't go the white privilege route. But what
I'll say is, obviously Lebron James is an African American,
and all African American athletes obviously don't speak out. The greatest,
arguably of them all, Michael Jordan did not speak out,
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so everyone's not going to. However, Rob, I've said this
before and I'll say it again. African Americans have needed
our athletes to speak out. And I am firmly convinced,
firmly convinced that if African Americans were not such great athletes, Rob,
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and to a lesser degree, entertainers, music, comedy, acting, all
that stuff, I do not think we'd be as far
as we are in this nation. I don't think we
would be. Obviously, we still got ways to go, but
I don't think we'd be accepted to the degree that
we are today. But white men, like all American men,
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for the most part, love sports, and blacks have just
been dominant for the last sixty years, you know, once
we got the opportunity to really you know, playing and
not be held back because of our skin color. And
because we've been so dominant, that's endeared us to white
Americans to some degree. And I'm not saying it's made
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everything perfect, obviously, but it has had an impact. It
shouldn't take that we could have sucked in sports, and
we still should be treated equal, but it has been
a factor, I really believe, rob And then when you're athletes,
you're Muhammed Alis, you're Jim Browns Jr. Bill Russells, and
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today you're Lebron James Is and guys like that, when
they do speak out and share the black or what
many black people feel. I'm not gonna say just the
black perspective, right because not all, but when they share
a sentiment that is common in the black community, it
has power because, to be honest, the status show you
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white Americans are the most segregated group of Americans in
the country, and so a lot don't really interact on
a daily basis with African Americans, and if they do,
sometimes it may be at work and it's not really
you know, a level playing field, so to speak. And
so a lot of times they don't know how black
people feel, or what black people are thinking about, or
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what goes on in the black community in the inner city.
So I think it's very important for black athletes to
speak out. I don't even know if this has ever
happened to you, and it might have because we both
worked in New York. And New York you work and
you walk in the streets, Chris, and you run into people. Right.
It's not like most cities in America. You get in
your car, you go to where you go, and you
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get out. You walk from the parking lot right, right,
so you don't run into But in the New York
you can run into people on the street, subway. You
might be people to take the subway. Everybody can't drive,
so so you know, rich people are packed in the subway, Chris,
were poor people, right. That's that's New York, right. I
don't know how many times you're working with somebody, somebody
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white in the office. They see you every day, they
speak to you every day, Chris, and you're out in
the street and they walk past you like they don't
even know you. Really, I have not had that happen.
I've had that happen where I'm like hey, hey, to
get their attention, and not that they're not looking anywhere.
Is that when they're all like you, they don't see me.
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Is what I'm saying, is they see a black person,
but in the office where they're where they're expecting to
see me. Do you see what I'm saying Like this,
It's just a difference. That's what I've I've noticed to me, Like,
you know, like that's happened. But but your point about
being segregated and not really living in the black world
or dealing with black people, I think a lot of
people live that way and I do. And I think
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the biggest issue is not that athletes are saying something.
It's that it's not what they want. And I'll just
say this and I'm just gonna keep it real. You know.
Clay Travis says all the time about politics right likes
to show the shouldn't be a politics political show Yes,
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that's what that That was my point. That's exactly my
point is that he has a show where uh Trump
was on it. So so I just like you're saying
the NBA shouldn't be woked because shouldn't be about politics,
and you have politics. Do you see what I'm saying?
And I bring it up just for the point of
the idea that it's because it's not what you want
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to hear. That's why you have a problem with it,
not that they have something to say. I agree, and
I'm gonna be honest too, Rob, And you may feel
the same way I to be. When I hear an
athlete speaking out against something I don't agree with, and
I'm if I adamantly disagree with him, I don't really
want to hear it either. So I get it. That's
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how human beings are. Like if if top big time
athletes are speaking out about something and this doesn't really
happen generally, but I'm just saying, being honest, if somebody
were speaking out and pushing something that I didn't agree with,
then I wouldn't want to hear it either. So that
is what it boils down to. I don't think people
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mind having athletes speak out. It's just what they're saying.
You're right to your point, Rob. A lot of people
that claim that they don't want to hear athletes speak out.
Let's say, and let's say that they didn't like you know,
Lebron obviously was promoting Biden and Kamala Harris and all
that stuff. If you would have add an athlete, let's
(22:44):
say Tom Brady, if he comes up there. You know,
Donald Trump is my friend. I think he's been a
great president. I'm voting for him. Like they would have
loved that, would have loved, they would have loved they
loved it, would have been on every commercial cred right,
don't don't act like it, and and and all the guys.
The only reason that they didn't use guys Christian know
who came out for for Trump in that way, like
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old white guys Mike Dick and old former football coaches,
you know what I mean, and people like that. And
so they didn't use that. But those are the guys,
not like the big stars of today. Imagine Aaron Rodgers
or you know, Tom Brady or people like that. Don't
tell me they wouldn't use that or they wouldn't embrace it. Yes,
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they would, right, yes, they would. And it just it
boils down to this route. You gotta right to say something.
And I again, in the whether you're white, black, or
whatever your race or ethnicity, you can speak out on
what you want. And if you if you're an athlete
and you want to use your platform for a greater good,
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obviously you're not every time you take the mic saying something. No,
you can't be on the no, but when it's when
it's relevant, appropriate as relevant. And I have no problem again,
and I'll be honest, like I said, if I don't
agree with the guy, I'm kind of tired of it. Yeah,
but that's just how it is. People have the freedom
to say what they want to say. And again to
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the to the black athletes, they are largely and certainly
years ago, the most beloved African Americans in the country.
I mean, let's just keep it real. And they're irreplaceable.
You can't replace the lebron James Leron can say whatever
he wants and you might not like it, maybe you
won't buy his shoes, but you ain't gonna cut him.
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He that dude is irreplaceable. And and other you know,
Pat Mahomes and other same things. So, uh, we need
them to speak out on certain issues. I'm not going
to degrade or berate the ones that don't. You know,
I love Michael Jordan. We all love him as a player,
and even as we we wanted him to speak out, Yeah,
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we wanted him to speak out. But everybody, what I
would say is this, and this goes again for any
race or ethnicity. You don't have to be an expert.
You can app that you're gonna be playing ball. You're
not gonna know as much maybe as someone who studies
that butt. But that's what I just brought up about
the people work at Walgreens or at the grocery store
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or driving a cab. You know what. It doesn't mean
that you can't have an opinion, right. I would just say, though,
when you do speak out, have a little knowledge and again,
especially if we're talking about the black community, have a
little bit of knowledge of what you're saying, so you
don't make a fool out of yourself. And a lot
of times people look at you as a representative of
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your group of people, and so I would just say,
have at Again, you don't have to be an expert,
but have a little bit of knowledge about it. Fox
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this one has something to say. Shaquille O'Neill. Now, Shaq
has robbed. I think he's become really good on that
TNT set inside the NBA with Charles Barkley and Kenney
Smith and Ernie Johnson. And that's not easy to do, Rob,
you know, I mean, they had such a good thing
going with just the three of them that you could
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ruin it if you put the wrong guy. And you
know what I mean. I'm just wish shock Shack mumbles
a little bit too much for me. Chris, he always
has no I know, but I'm just saying that's the
only thing. Like sometimes I can remember his first day
on the show. Do you remember his first day on
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or notice? Well I remember his first several Maybe I
didn't think he was good initially. I was watching his
debut and guess what, somebody from home tweeted, I swear
and I was like, right on the money, and the
guy tweeted, turn up Shacks Mike because you couldn't hear
him like that was this first turn up shacks Mike. No,
(27:10):
his Mike has turned up, but ahead, no, no. I
mean but I thought when he first got on the show,
which is natural, I thought he was trying to be
an analyst, you know, like like trying to This is
an overstatement, but you know, sound like Bryant Gumbel or
Bob cos right, it's not. Somebody got to him and said, look, Shock,
(27:32):
be yourself. You were an all time great player. Just
give us the insight from you. Like you're sitting around
talking to the other guys who play ball. Just talk
and that's what he's good at. But you know he look, Rob,
you just said it. If you're sitting around talking with
your boys about the game. If you're sitting around talking
with your boys about the game, sometimes you're gonna be critical,
(27:53):
right Yo, Man, he ain't no good now this dude
get his money or how you know, man, they need
to stop playing him whatever. And that's what Shock's done.
He's gotten some criticism for it. A lot of the
current players don't like it, and Shock has said last
night he's going to dial it down here. He is
my mother pulled me inside the last night and said, baby,
(28:15):
take it easy on the young guys. So you're gonna
see a new approach from me talking about these bumps
Rob the way he said it, I mean, do you
I don't know if he's I think he may try
to have a new approach. I don't. I just but
I think he's probably gonna revert to doing what I
can tech shock. Right now, I'd say scrapped the new approach.
(28:39):
Just be honest. You don't need to talk about people's money.
That's the only thing I'll criticize him Chris about. But
if you don't think a guy's a good player, or
or the guy needs to improve, and you could point
out what he needs to do or ways to improve
or what's wrong, I'm all for that. Everybody's not gonna
like you shock everybody. So so once you get over that.
(29:03):
I think I told you this before. My mom told
me that when I was a kid, she said everybody
didn't like Jesus Christ either. It's okay, everybody's not gonna
like you because you could say a million nice things
about somebody and the first time you say something to
point out something they're mad at. You do you know
what I mean, Like, so you just get over it now,
(29:23):
You're absolutely right. You especially in this business, you know
that you're written pieces, like tons of pieces positive and
you write one piece and it's like, oh, why what
are you doing? Christ? Why you gotta write that? You
know you ain't what you pieces? I wrote exactly, It's true.
(29:44):
And the thing is this, And this is what I
would say to the current players. And I get it.
Nobody likes being criticized. Nobody likes being criticized on national television.
Nobody likes being criticized by somebody they see at an
All Star game, at a regular game or whatever, just
somewhere and you, you know, you roll you cool? Yo?
(30:05):
What up? Bro? How you doing? Man's right? So I
get that that's human nature. But here's what I would
say to the players. We whether it's just regular broadcasters
like us or even former players shock Charles Barkley, whoever,
we're just as you said earlier, we're sitting around critiquing
(30:27):
the game. Yes, that's it. And if you listen to
some of the players on podcasts, whether it's Kyrie on
the podcast, KD on the podcast, whoever, they do the
same thing. Once they start talking sports that. I mean,
Kyrie said it. Man, it's the first time I have
somebody I can really throw the rock to and feel
(30:48):
like he gonna hit that shot. You was doing the
same thing as us, you know, I mean it, That's
all it is. And just you wouldn't want that person
to think you hate them or you're a hater or whatever.
You were just giving your opinion. You might be right,
you might be wrong, but it was just your opinion.
(31:10):
And that's what the players have to understand. And this
is the other issue I have is now, First it
was they wanted to rip us because we didn't play
in the league. Okay, if that's what you want to use,
even though there's a ton of great coaches Chris who
never played in the NBA, never played in the NFL,
never played major college football. Whatever, here money if you
(31:31):
think to that point right quickly, because I know you
want to finish. I don't know how to fix my
car engine, but I can tell if you, the so
called expert, jacked it up right. And I'm allowed to say, yo, dude,
what you're doing? What are you doing right? I'm not
a mechanic, but I know it ain't right. Exactly. So
(31:51):
that's it. That's there, it is. And my other point,
and I'm just gonna finish, is you don't want us
to criticize you. Then they put up former players at
the highest level. Now you don't want them to criticize you.
So which one is it, Chris? Is it that we
didn't play in the league, So what do we know
about playing in the NBA? Or is it that Shack
(32:12):
and Charles and Kenny. Well they're grumpy old men and
they're just better because they didn't make the money we made. Well,
which one is it? Right? Right? It's just it is
what it is. And like I said, you know, when
players did they sit around and and sometimes you know, Rob,
we've had conversations with players off the record, and they'll
(32:35):
be critical to players, right, I mean, it's so it's
that's all it is. Everybody just like you have your
opinions about what a guy did right, what a guy
did wrong. Who's better than who we do too? And
we're just saying them publicly because that's our job and
that's what that's what we want, right, you know, No,
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