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XM channel eighty three. However you may be listening. What's up, Rob?
How are you man? I'm doing just great? What about you?
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All good? Yeah? Man? All good, no complaints. Had a
good weekend, relaxing weekend, and I'm ready to get at it,
get after it. Oh Yeah, it's definitely a lot of
good stuff to talk about. The weather's great. You know,
just got off the phone arguing with my insurance company
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up about happy you know, Chris, this is let me
give you my quick story. Aren't you with Farmers? No,
I need to be. I need to be. I can't
pare for that, that's right. But but this that's weird.
So you know, you know, you have to have a
certain amount of miles that you claim that you drive
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right a year, like, I'm your miles you drive. They
actually want to say that I'm driving more miles Chris
now than I was before, And I'm like, how can
it impossible? Thank you? That's exactly my point. My point
is I don't care if you average out the miles,
which is something I did. Also didn't know they have
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snitches basically, Chris, if you take your to go get
your oil changed or service, they report that stuff to
the insurance company. What you're sweet? Old insures? Do you have? Dude?
I'm telling you got you got insures from from Chucky
down the street. Like what Lubbock? I mean? I just
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do you have a limit or how many ailes you
can drive? It's not a limit but they want you
gotta be within the close to whatever you're claiming, because
if you drives, I've never dealt with that. Yeah, you
pay less, like you could claim less miles, that you
only drive a certain amount of money and the exactly.
So my only point was, if you told me, I'm
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just throwing out numbers, If you told me that last
year was ten thousand miles, how can you say this
year is gonna be twelve thousand, Chris, when we don't
drive anywhere, we don't go into work. That's my only
argument is, like that makes no sense to me. I
don't care what number you had from the previous year
or whatever the number is. Why not last year should
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have been low anyway, right, And that's my thing. But
they don't have that. They don't They only have like
what your car is and they average it out. That
doesn't mean that a year ago when I got the car, right,
I might have driven a lot more miles, But they
just average it out like that's what you drive for
the year and that so I'm in a disagreement. That's
all right, Well, hopefully it'll work out. You have a
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lot of disagreement people like you. People don't do all
your painters, the painters. That's because people don't do what
I want them to do. They just do what they
want them to do. There would be no disagreement. All right,
that's what you said years ago, Right, that's what happened.
All Right, we got let's introduce the couple crew. Iowa
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Sam is in for DJ Alex Tysher aka Alex the Vegan,
who is not surprisingly another day off. Um, so I
was saying, we know how he gets down. All right.
We got a super producer, Rob g in the house,
and on the updates is our man Ralph Irvin. All right, Rob,
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let's get into it. You're out there in La the Lakers,
all right. The Lakers are struggling, struggling, as our man
Joe Namis would say. They've lost six of their last seven,
seven of their last nine, and since Lebron's come back,
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they've lost two straight or since he was back. He's
out tonight. He reaggravated his ankle injury, so he's out tonight.
And he you know, the little few games he played,
he wasn't able to really help them much. He played fine,
but they couldn't win and they lost the bad teams,
all right, Sacramento without two of its best players, Toronto
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without two of his best players, and the Lakers are
in six places. They played Denver tonight without Lebron, so
that could be an l they could you already know,
I would think so, I would think so. Um, but
they could be in seventh place and in the play
in after tonight because Portland plays Atlanta. That's gonna be
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a tough one for Portland, but they may win that.
So what are your thoughts. I mean, I'm not ready
too right off the Lakers, but obviously they got major concerns. Hey,
I always say, I'm looking looking the drop file for
throw the towel in because I'm throwing the toweling on
the Lakers. I told you this before, that they had
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too many things that needed to go right, you know,
like trying to say it was that when Lebron got hurt,
you said it. At some point you said they're done.
I don't know if it was when he got hurt
or before. I'm throwing the toweling on the Lakers. Only
from the standpoint that Lebron's already said he's not going
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to be one hundred percent, He's already got it, he said,
that for the rest of his career, right, But that
doesn't bode well for this year. I think he just
considering where they are and how they've looked. Because you
just laid it out Sacramento without there two best players,
Toronto comes in down by twelve early throttles them. Really,
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don't let the score fool you. Toronto handle the Lakers.
That's with Lebron and that's with a D. Right. And
here's the other thing. The squad that maybe people thought.
You remember people were talking about it. Oh, they won
the championship and they won the offseason. All this team
is so much better than the team that won the championship.
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I just don't. I don't buy into that. Were the
second seed in the West when healthy, so they were
playing well before all the injuries. I still don't believe
that they were better than the team that won the championship.
And I'm talking about maybe on paper, Chris, But you know,
there's a difference between being on paper and actually playing
and the chemistry and cohesiveness, do you know what I mean? Like,
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there's a difference. You can look at paper all you
want and say, oh god, they're they're they're great on paper.
So a D wasn't looking good Chris before the injury.
You want the radio Chamberlain compared to what he's been
looking like since he got back from the injured. Right.
But but even before that, you you talked about it.
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We both talked about it. We thought with the championship
in his back pocket. Second, you know, with the whole
idea that he would come out be aggressive, b D
MVP of the league. Let Lebron take some rest, a
back seat and gear up to the championship. Right, That's
what we thought. And he didn't come out that way.
And then I know he got injured, but he didn't
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come out that he's dis employing it, that he didn't run.
I honestly that that makes that should have been the
game player like you basically taken I don't want to
say taking the season off, but you you kind of
you've mailed it in this season and now that that
shouldn't happen from him. No, he's he's too young to
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not feel like he should have gone out and said,
you know what, I got my championship, Lebron still here.
Now you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get
my MVP. Chris in my back pocket. I could get
both of them and then have a chance to go
back to back, And once you do that, you change
the perception of you, of who you are as a player.
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And it just didn't feel like Anthony Davis had that
game plan going into the season. And you just said
it again since he's been back, and I'm not here
to I don't know how hurt people are, and I'm
not gonna rip on people coming back from injuries or
where they are, but he just hadn't been that good.
And when you look at this team and that Sacramento lass.
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I watched the Laker post game show, I mean it
was like, uh, what do you call those uh those
dolls that give out with the heads that bob bobble heads,
bobble heads. I know, right, I was gonna close dolls
with the hands that bobble right. They were all bobbling
their hands, Chris because they couldn't understand it, like like
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was that worthy? And yeah, you know they were just
like like like these games are so important. What are
they doing? You just had sacrament on Toronto at home.
Should be wins, no doubt. So so I'm out on
the Lakers. I just think too many things have to
go right, and already we've seen that they haven't. And
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you know what, I think the season might be better
off them going into the playoff game, playing game and losing,
and that might be the way this season ends. Oh
but what do you mean though, No, I'm just meaning
that that's the way, because yeah, it could end that
way because it's just so much that they would have
to overcome in order to try to win another championship. Well,
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for them to if they let's say hypothetically they finished seventh,
for them to not even make the playoffs, they'd have
to lose to Memphis in a one and done, which
you know could happen. I mean I wouldn't pick it,
but yeah, one and done, anything could happen. Then they
would play the loser the winner of game, and that team,
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let's say it's Golden State, would have to beat the
Lakers twice, right, right, So it's still unlikely if they
get the seventh or eight seed that they won't make
the playoffs, but anything's possible at this point. I'm gonna
break it down like this for Laker fans, and like
I said, I'm not ready to totally write them off,
but I hear where you're coming from. Rob. Number one,
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They here's some of their concerns Lebron James. The health
all right, six seven years ago, Lebron would have been
back much earlier from this angle injury, and he would
have been fine once he got back. But now that's Rob.
This is what happens. People think you retire, what you
retire because you can't play basketball anymore. No, you get old,
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the superstars get old. It takes you a lot longer
to recover from injury. Right, you can't play at a
higher level as consistently. And you wonder is father time.
I'm sure it being thirty six years old and his
eighteenth year has something to do with this injury and
how long it's taking him to get back, just like
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it did a few years ago. So that's number one.
And then Rob, we've said it many times. When Lebron
came back two years ago, he wasn't able to carry them.
He probably needed more of a ramp up, right, more
time to get going. And don't you remember he was
like playoff, right, he thought he was activated, and he
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went out there and they lost to three or four
bad teams and it cost him. They went eight and
thirteen Rob after he came back and then he shut
it down. He maybe wasn't ready, but that might be
the case. Now he might not get close to one
hundred percent and he probably won't be able to carry
him if that's the case. Secondly, you mentioned it, Ad.
Here's the numbers Rob since he's come back from injury.
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Sixteen and a half points, six and a half rebounds,
thirty nine percent, shooting eighteen percent from three. Think about
pretty Oh my gosh, I mean that's not even that's
that is downright bad, right And and Andre drumming with
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those two, how's that working out? Not well? And I'm
glad you brought that up because it's not working his
a D. The net rating with a D and a
D both of them are a d's drumming and Anthony
Davis on the court is negative six point six. When
it's Anthony Davis and Mark Gasol, Rob is plus eight
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point eight. And you heard last night, I don't know
if you saw it, Kyle Kuzma said we got issues.
We're not together, not as a team, not as a staff.
He and one thing he said is Mark Gasol should
be playing more Rob. That's all you've been covering sports
a long time. We both have. That tells me that
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there may be whispers, you know what I'm saying, Like,
he ain't the only one. Yo. We need Gasol getting
more minutes because they see it and they understand it.
And it was nice. And I'm not Andre Drummonds a
fine player, Chris, I'm not here to rip on him,
but I don't know if he really fits and that's
the issue. And players know it, you know what I mean.
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You don't think they know that number. They're like the
floor spread right the Lakers. That would open things up
for a d to be not only outside but inside
as well, opens up the lane for Lebron. So yeah, now,
and here's the thing you mentioned, drumming Rob look at
the paper on paper, thirteen points, ten rebounds, fifty three
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percent shooting in twenty five minutes a night. You would
look at that and be like, oh, oh, this is great.
What do I sp right, But he's the worst defensive
player on the team, and that's shown in the stats
and what to me, And like you said, I'm not
trying to rip him. These are just I'm just pointing
it out. Just numbers right, right, the numbers right, he's
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doing what he's done throughout his career. His numbers are great.
They were great in Detroit, they were great the little
bit of time he played for Cleveland. But you don't
win any game, No, you don't win. And so the
Lakers got and then Dennis shrewder. Now he could be
out the rest of the regular season with cool. And
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I'm gonna end with this, Rob, because you said something
a lot of people might try to call you on,
but I know what you meant. You said, too many
things have to go right. Similar for Brooklyn, right, Harden's
gotta get right. Kd's gotta stay right. They got some
things too. But here's the difference. It is harder to
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work in the Lakers Stars than it is the Nets.
Even though Lebron is you know, we both say, the
second greatest player ever. You don't just drop Lebron James
into a lineup. No, he's the he's the lineup. Right,
everything's gonna change. And to be honest, even though he's
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not as good as Lebrin. Same thing with Anthony Davis
and to a far lesser extent, Andre Drummond. Because Rob,
none of them are great shooters, none of them are
catching shoot guys, you know, so they have to have
the ball, particularly Lebron and a D. They need the ball.
And so now remember the Lakers were actually playing pretty
decently before a D came back because guys were starting
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to understand, Okay, now this is my role. We're getting
some stuff together. And then you bring a D back
and everything changes. Then you bring Lebron back and everything
changes again. Whereas with any of the three in Brooklyn Harden,
but specific particularly Durant and then Kyrie as well, you
can drop them in because they're such good shooters. That's
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the thing, the huge difference KD. Just drop him in.
He'll take seventeen shots. He'll take fifteen shots again, right right,
So you don't have to change everything because they all
can shoot the basketball. So yeah, um, Rob's writing them off.
I'm not ready to go that far yet, but there
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Are there problems just too darn much for them to
overcome this season? What are your thoughts? All right, let's
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kick it off with Max and Georgia. You're on the
eye couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up Max? What's up? Guys?
You know, Chris, you were gone, Rob and I and
Jonas we kind of touched on this a few weeks ago.
You know, it's been the writing's been on the wall.
To me. I think the team now has realized him
coming back. You look at the regression of the offense,
you look at the fall moment, lack of moving. Guys
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just aren't feeling it like they were. And it's sad
because I think it reflects on his leadership when you
go out and say things before you enter the court
and then you kind of go back on those things
after your first couple of games. He Lebron's played two games. Yeah,
but Chrissy got himself out of the game against Toronto.
You think he's gonna do that if they're winning that game.
He wants stack stays. So you don't think he's hurt. Chris.
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I'm not saying he's not hurt, but I can say
this for a matter of fact, if he's reinjured that
that ankle, it's because he put his mouth so far
or it's put so far deep in his mouth. A
couple of weeks ago with that tweet, he's probably reins
that's stop it. Well, I perspect I knew what angle
you were taking, Max, but just stop it. Let me
reel you in, Come back in, Come back in, Drew
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in New Jersey. You're in the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio. What's up, Drew. I don't think Lebron has
a chance at winning championship. I think he's gonna beat
the Clippers. I think anybody out West they could beat.
But as far as will you still got him coming
out of West, yeah, yeah, I mean I don't. I
just think that you get a different Lebron in the playoffs.
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But having said that, that's true. As far as dropping
in Lebron with anything, I think Kevin Durant is obviously.
I feel like Kevin Durant, you can put them on
with three other guys. You built dynasty, right, if you
have three other all stars, you can play with anybody.
You can't build dynasty. If you do build Lebron around
three other guys, I don't think you're gonna have as
(20:33):
much success. I don't think they're gonna win his bank championships. Well,
they're gonna have to be guys. They can fit around Lebron.
What Lebron does, Where's Durant to just drop in? Yeah,
I think and I think with Lebron, I think he's
built more like I can do more with less words.
I don't think Kevin Durrant can do that. I don't
think Kevin Durant. Yeah, I mean, be honest, I don't know.
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I don't think any player in the history of basketball
has been able to do more with less than Lebron. Now,
Lebron's had trouble getting that team over the hump to
win it all, but he even Michael Jordan didn't make
just also Rans as good as Lebrons made him. I
don't believe Marty in Kentucky. You're in the eye couple
(21:18):
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Marty? What's up? Guys? Yes, Okay,
my wee eater was running. I'm sorry. Um, I gotta
tell you. I've been out on the Lakers ever since
they didn't get Rondo back. I don't think they have
enough dogs. I know Rondo doesn't do a lot in
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the season, anymore of it. I believe in playoffs, Rondo
and I really never believed in them since since they
let him go. And also I gotta comment on what
Chris just said. A lot of the Lebron supporters feel
that he makes the players better, you know, and that's
something that he's got on Jordan. And I don't agree
with that because they make the point that the Cavs
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fell apart when he left and Jordan's Bulls were able
to win fifty plus games when he left. But I
think if you make players better there, you make them
better when you leave. They they learned how to win
and they can win without you. Well, I don't think, George.
I mean, I do think Jordan developed Scottie Pippen, don't.
I think if Scottie Pippen went to another team and
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never played with Michael Jordan, I don't think he would
have become what he did, not just because playing with Jordan,
having him draw that attention, you know, makes it easier
for you. But I rob I think I remember I
used to say, I can watch and see how Scottie
Pippen is learning year after year from Michael Jordan, well
Andy becoming a better player because of it. The other
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thing too, with Lebron too, is you know, he's the
pseudo general manager. They often make trades and do stuff
to help build up. You know, remember the former GM
was saying it could be a nightmare because everything is
base around. You're trying to win and put together a
team for Lebron, and if he steps out, you know,
people say, oh when he left the team, Well, well,
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because that team was constructed to be to fit around Lebron,
you know what I mean, because he's a system onto him.
Say that's fair. I think that that. I'm not saying that,
you know, like like they were a great team or
or all those players were all stars. I'm just saying
when you build around somebody like that and you take
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that piece away, hard to replace it and forward to
work the same way. That's it, right, right, And he
really makes role players much better, you know, but get
stars they got to adjust the playing with him. But
role players who can't do it for themselves, he makes
them a lot better. All right. We got Charlie Castle
coming up as we switch to football. But first, Fox
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Here is our at former NFL GM and an NFL
network analyst who will be joining us momentarily, our man
Charlie Castley. But Rob, we're gonna get into the Aaron
Rodgers stuff with Charlie, and obviously being a former GM,
I'm looking for to hear how he would handle a
(25:02):
situation like that. Well, we we've talked to him before
about players and you know, in the GM, and you know,
it's one thing to clue somebody in or ask them
some advice. But if you're gonna be the bosson, you're
gonna be the guy that ultimately be held responsible. It's
gotta be your decision. I just don't care who the
player is. You gotta be careful about that. And I
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think that's what Charlie said the last time we're talking
about that. He never, you know, made a decision based
off of what a player told him. I mean, which
which makes sense. I mean, it doesn't mean that you
can't ask for its opinion, Chris or stuff like that,
but you can't make decisions like that because ultimately it's
your it's your neck. No, I think that's got to
(25:50):
make a job. Yes, and if it doesn't work out,
guess what they're coming for, Chris. They're coming for you, right.
So wait a minute, Aaron Rodgers told me to draft
that guy. Wait a minute, Aaron said, to hire this
coach as the offensive coordinator. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
Aaron said, the signing this free agent running back. What
(26:14):
didn't they say, Hey, all these moves were wrong, and
b what do we hire dude? What are we paying
you for? Aaron general manager? We don't need you. Nah,
So you don't wait on that. And we're gonna get
into the Aaron Rodgers stuff in the next hour. It
is not looking good out there up there in Green Bay.
But uh, we will see. I heard rob um. I
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heard some people talking about the Aaron Rodgers on Jeopardy.
Now you saw some of it, yeah, because what what what?
I heard some say they something thought he was really good.
Some say he was dry. I didn't watch any of it,
so I don't know, but I heard people saying he
was dry. Did you get that? I thought his hair,
Dude was dry. But other than that, I don't know.
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Jeopardy's not like some Alex Trebek. That's a good point.
He was not the persona I mean, that's what made
you know what I mean was definitely was like what
like right, Richard Dawson or I think if he went
out right. I think if he went out there being
Steve Harvey, people would would die if you tried to
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gas up Jeopardy like that, right, That's not what they right, right? Yeah,
I'm just saying. I'm not saying he's like the best
talk show game show host ever. I think if they
gave him time and he got reps, Chris, he could
do it. That's That's what I'm saying. If they if
they if they gave him time. So the thing is,
and you noticed Roberts. Sometimes you can't tell, you know.
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I mean, look at a lot of the athletes that
have become great on TV. Char was anybody going to
predict that Charles Barkley would become what he did? Now?
We knew he was funny, you knew he'd say whatever
was on his mind, but not Shaws as a player
back then as a visiting writer, and he was gold
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to us, Chris, you know that? Oh yeah, absolutely? Did
you think he would become No? You know, yeah, I
mean now, a lot of people I remember thought Doctor
Jay would be great because doctor Doctor j was bad.
I thought he was he was too soft spoken, right,
Joe Montana was bad, Chris Joe. He did the NBC
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pre and post game enough energy, right, not enough? Just
that's just who he is, you know what I mean,
It's not enough. And then another guy who got a
big break to go, remember Tikey Barber went to he
was gonna be Michael Strahand exad Michael Strahan exa. It
didn't and it didn't work out, and nobody would have
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thought Strahand right, not not to that point where he
is where he's on Good Morning America, Right. I did
not see that for him. Yeah, but you're right, tik.
I mean that was one of the reasons he walked away.
Oh he walked. He got he got if I remember correct,
and I'm and I could be off. He got to
leave football and at that time, I think they offered
him Chris three million dollars to do that job. How
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many people could walk off to the football field get
a three hundred three hundred million dollars three million dollars
job or national television like little to no experience, right,
I mean, and I thought again, handsome, well spoken, you know,
it seemed like he had a good personality. I don't know,
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he lacked energy. I think, you know, there's an it
And I tell this to young kids, Rob when we
you know, you and I we talked to a lot
of youngsters that want to get into business. There is
an IT factor to this business radio and TV. You
know what I'm saying. Like some there are guys that
can be technically sound, right, they got all the info,
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but there's no IT factor, there's no nothing to dry right,
and and so sometimes you can look at the players.
Alway's handsome, he's articulate, he's you know, got a great
and it just doesn't work, and I you know what, guys,
I'll give you one where I thought it would work.
I swear to you, Chris. I said when when Larry
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King leaves CNN, that they're one of two people they
should hire for that job. One was Bill Clinton. I
thought Bill Clinton could do that job. And number two
was was Alex Rodriguez. That's what I've always I always
said that I knew he would be good on television
because he's got a little something. Well, he'd been getting
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ripped recently. We will get into the well, get into that,
but I'm just talking about he's on doing baseball. He's
I mean, he is the face of baseball's announcing yea, yeah, yeah,
Bill Clinton. I think Clinton could have done it. I
really do. I really think Bill Clinton could have done
that for him. Obviously for a president, that's just a
(31:03):
step down, you know what I mean. But but right right,
so all right, we got Charlie Cashley. Something came up.
He couldn't join us this segment, but he will join
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Good to have you. Let's get right to it. Um,
Aaron Rodgers, you know the situation in Green Bay. If
you were running NET team saying Mark Murphy's shoes, how
would you handle it? Well, I wouldn't trade him. Uh,
you're gonna retire a packer up. You're gonna retire tomorrow
for Jeopardy even. Um, you also a lot of money.
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We paid you a lot of money, and so h uh,
that's that's what we're gonna do on the thing. And
if he hasn't played, and we go with Jordan Love
and we move on with our lives. But we're not
We're not trading the Hall of Fame cornerback. Antry just
became the MVP of the uh the league when he's
under contract and we've paid him a lot of money
so far that that would be suicide for the general
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manager am I right in the front office took to
make a move like that, Charlie. Uh but but but,
but here's the other part that if a guy doesn't
want to play or doesn't want to be around, don't
you have to try to figure something out because you're
not gonna get your best from him if he doesn't
want to be there. Yes, No, it depends on the person. Now.
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I don't know Aaron Rodgers. I mean I met him
when he was a young guy and before he became famous,
so to speak, and he, right it seemed like a
wonderful young man to me. They've been able to live
with whatever, you know, his personality traits may be because
things seem to pop up from now and you know,
it didn't get along with Mike McCarthy at the end,
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but they seems to have forced a good relationship with
the new coach. Obviously, he has benefited immensely by the system.
Now he probably thinks he could be an MVP in
any system, and there might be some truth to that,
but he has played his best football right now in
this system, and then they've got a good team around him,
so you know, I wouldn't worry about it. I mean,
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I'd make my stand the way it is. I'd do
it one on one with them. What I'd like to
know is these conversations they had. Was he just looking
for more money over the next couple of years because
it's going to be forty at the end of his contract,
so extending him past that, I'm not so sure you
want to do that. Can you pay him more money?
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I'd have to see more about their cap situation to
be able to say, can we just give him an
increase in salary? Don't you find it odd that? I mean,
from all the reports, the problem is the Jordan Love Draft,
but that was a year ago. You know, Like he
comes out and plays like an MVP. Doesn't really say
anything crazy about the draft. Obviously he wasn't happy with it,
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but he plays like an MVP. Everything seems fine, and
now it comes out. What do you make of that?
It just is the timing is way off. Yeah, I
agree with you, Okay, something doesn't add up there, and
I don't know the answer. My gut is money. That's
Mike gut no, And Charlie, that's a good guest because
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he just played some of his best football, right. I mean,
anybody would want to get a little bit more be
compensated for that. Most people were writing him off. People
were saying he was finished, he should go finish his
career elsewhere. And the guy put up an unbelievable season. Yeah,
you know. And I again, traditionally it's it's always about
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money and when you get into these situations. See, so
that's kind of what my guess on it. On what
you have. Um, I'm the Jordan Love thing. That's old news, okay, right,
he was Jordan Love at one point, right right, No,
he was for three years, right right, So so so
what other thing? I mean, that's the way I look
(35:24):
at it. You know. The other thing is I'm looking
this up. In his first two years he was paid, um,
roughly ninety six million dollars if I've got my math
right on this thing here. Um, okay, So over two years,
that's an average of forty eight million dollars in his
first two years in twenty eighteen and nineteen. The contract
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was front loaded. So and he's gonna make in cash
twenty two, twenty five five, and twenty five five over
the next three years. Now you can say, well, some
of these other quarterbacks are making more, but you know
he blew him out of the park the first time.
So I don't have sympathy for the player in this situation. Okay,
I really don't. You have a contract on or the contract? Why?
(36:07):
Why did why did you sign the contract in the
first place? Right? I've always said, yeah, you got to
live with it, Charlie. Let me ask you this. Are
you a Jeopardy fan? Did you watch Aaron Rodgers on Jeopardy?
Chris has gotten mixed reviews. I saw him. I thought
he did fine for you know, a guy without that
much experience and a player. What did you did you
see any of his appearances on Jeopardy? Okay? If they
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think he can draw consistent ratings, especially if he's not
playing football, now okay, then he might get the job.
But if he's not playing football, he's not gonna get
those ratings. Yeah, that'll be interesting. Does he have that
crossover appeal? Uh? Maybe maybe we'll see. Remember he's been
(36:53):
a commercial guy for Stay Farmed for a million years,
so he's he's got you know what I mean, He's
been doing that for ten Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, let
me ask you this time, because there you get different
sides of this. Um. Do you think that the Packers
have done a good job of building around him. And
I've heard guys okay, yes, yes, and yes and yes, okay. Um,
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he's got Davante Adams, one of the best receivers in
the league. You've got a double cover him. Now he's
got Aaron Jones, one of the best running backs in
the league, who's also flexible to go out and play
wide receiver. So you got to give him. You've got
to say something good about that. The offensive line has
always been above average. They've got you know, you know,
Lizard's a pretty good number two receiver. But the tight end,
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Robert Tunyon, I'm telling you watching this guy on tape,
this guy is one of the best tight ends in
the league. Believe great last year he did. And he's
not a fluke because they move them around and playing
in a lot of different positions. This guy's a bad
matchup for linebackers and safeties. And he's got a knack
in the red zone. So you've got all the components
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there the d. But again, you can only spend so
much money in certain places, so the defense is the
area you got to keep working on. Um. So I think, yes,
they have built around him. I don't think the frontal
office should be second guests on the draft choices they've made,
and so what. So they took Jordan Love, you know
right now, having Jordan Love is from a management point
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of view, is a pretty good deal. At least we
got somebody if the guy is going to retire, you know,
we can we can line up and go play. We're not,
you know, dead in the water with nobody to play with.
So yeah, okay, we got about two minutes left in
this and we got a hard out here. I want
to ask you about Lance uh in San Francisco and
is that a fit? How does that fit with the
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San Francisco offense? Yeah? Both ways. Okay, first of all,
the guys and that guy's got a strong arm or
quick release. His accuracy is above average, he throws well
on the run, he's good in play action. All those
things fit the offense. The other thing is why why
do they like him more? Because now they can put
in a running game with the quarterback and be like
Baltimore And now of a sudden, you got to defend
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the quarterback in the running game. So that's an option
for him and he doesn't have to play right away. Well,
I was gonna ask you because some people are saying
throw these rookies in right away, but I don't think
it should be a hard and fast rule like that.
You should wait till the guy's ready. Absolutely, I don't
care if the guy if I don't care if he
plays all year. If you're winning with Garoppolo, give the
(39:26):
guy time to develop. Patrick Mahomes he played one throwaway
game as a rookie, and you know he's the best
quarterback in the league. You can argue, but if he
had to play right away, that wouldn't have helped him.
All Right, that's our man, Charlie Castley. We appreciate the knowledge, Rolie,
appreciate you wait waiting that guys. All right, yea, all right,
(39:48):
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Aaron Rodgers, who we just talked about with Charlie Castley.
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(40:09):
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got Charlie Castle, former NFL GM coming up at the
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locked on Fox Sports Radio, the iHeartRadio app, or Serious
XM channel eighty three. However you may be listening. What's up, Rob?
How are you man? I'm doing just great? What about you?
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All good? Yeah? Man? All good, no complaints. Had a
good weekend, relaxing weekend, and I'm ready to get at it,
get after it. Oh Yeah, it's definitely a lot of
good stuff to talk about. The weather's great. You know,
just got off the phone arguing with my insurance company
(01:49):
up about happy you know, Chris, this is let me
give you my quick story. Aren't you with Farmers? No,
I need to be. I need to be. I can't
pare for that, that's right. But but this that's weird.
So you know, you know, you have to have a
certain amount of miles that you claim that you drive
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right a year, like, I'm your miles you drive. They
actually want to say that I'm driving more miles Chris
now than I was before, And I'm like, how can
it impossible? Thank you? That's exactly my point. My point
is I don't care if you average out the miles,
which is something I did. Also didn't know they have
(02:35):
snitches basically, Chris, if you take your to go get
your oil changed or service, they report that stuff to
the insurance company. What you're sweet? Old insures? Do you have? Dude?
I'm telling you got you got insures from from Chucky
down the street. Like what Lubbock? I mean? I just
(02:58):
do you have a limit or how many ailes you
can drive? It's not a limit but they want you
gotta be within the close to whatever you're claiming, because
if you drives, I've never dealt with that. Yeah, you
pay less, like you could claim less miles, that you
only drive a certain amount of money and the exactly.
So my only point was, if you told me, I'm
(03:20):
just throwing out numbers, If you told me that last
year was ten thousand miles, how can you say this
year is gonna be twelve thousand, Chris, when we don't
drive anywhere, we don't go into work. That's my only
argument is, like that makes no sense to me. I
don't care what number you had from the previous year
or whatever the number is. Why not last year should
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have been low anyway, right, And that's my thing. But
they don't have that. They don't They only have like
what your car is and they average it out. That
doesn't mean that a year ago when I got the car, right,
I might have driven a lot more miles, But they
just average it out like that's what you drive for
the year and that so I'm in a disagreement. That's
all right, Well, hopefully it'll work out. You have a
(04:03):
lot of disagreement people like you. People don't do all
your painters, the painters. That's because people don't do what
I want them to do. They just do what they
want them to do. There would be no disagreement. All right,
that's what you said years ago, Right, that's what happened.
All Right, we got let's introduce the couple crew. Iowa
(04:25):
Sam is in for DJ Alex Tysher aka Alex the Vegan,
who is not surprisingly another day off. Um, so I
was saying, we know how he gets down. All right.
We got a super producer, Rob g in the house,
and on the updates is our man Ralph Irvin. All right, Rob,
(04:45):
let's get into it. You're out there in La the Lakers,
all right. The Lakers are struggling, struggling, as our man
Joe Namis would say. They've lost six of their last seven,
seven of their last nine, and since Lebron's come back,
(05:08):
they've lost two straight or since he was back. He's
out tonight. He reaggravated his ankle injury, so he's out tonight.
And he you know, the little few games he played,
he wasn't able to really help them much. He played fine,
but they couldn't win and they lost the bad teams,
all right, Sacramento without two of its best players, Toronto
(05:30):
without two of his best players, and the Lakers are
in six places. They played Denver tonight without Lebron, so
that could be an l they could you already know,
I would think so, I would think so. Um, but
they could be in seventh place and in the play
in after tonight because Portland plays Atlanta. That's gonna be
(05:53):
a tough one for Portland, but they may win that.
So what are your thoughts. I mean, I'm not ready
too right off the Lakers, but obviously they got major concerns. Hey,
I always say, I'm looking looking the drop file for
throw the towel in because I'm throwing the toweling on
the Lakers. I told you this before, that they had
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too many things that needed to go right, you know,
like trying to say it was that when Lebron got hurt,
you said it. At some point you said they're done.
I don't know if it was when he got hurt
or before. I'm throwing the toweling on the Lakers. Only
from the standpoint that Lebron's already said he's not going
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to be one hundred percent, He's already got it, he said,
that for the rest of his career, right, But that
doesn't bode well for this year. I think he just
considering where they are and how they've looked. Because you
just laid it out Sacramento without there two best players,
Toronto comes in down by twelve early throttles them. Really,
(07:02):
don't let the score fool you. Toronto handle the Lakers.
That's with Lebron and that's with a D. Right. And
here's the other thing. The squad that maybe people thought.
You remember people were talking about it. Oh, they won
the championship and they won the offseason. All this team
is so much better than the team that won the championship.
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I just don't. I don't buy into that. Were the
second seed in the West when healthy, so they were
playing well before all the injuries. I still don't believe
that they were better than the team that won the championship.
And I'm talking about maybe on paper, Chris, But you know,
there's a difference between being on paper and actually playing
and the chemistry and cohesiveness, do you know what I mean? Like,
(07:46):
there's a difference. You can look at paper all you
want and say, oh god, they're they're they're great on paper.
So a D wasn't looking good Chris before the injury.
You want the radio Chamberlain compared to what he's been
looking like since he got back from the injured. Right.
But but even before that, you you talked about it.
(08:08):
We both talked about it. We thought with the championship
in his back pocket. Second, you know, with the whole
idea that he would come out be aggressive, b D
MVP of the league. Let Lebron take some rest, a
back seat and gear up to the championship. Right, That's
what we thought. And he didn't come out that way.
And then I know he got injured, but he didn't
(08:29):
come out that he's dis employing it, that he didn't run.
I honestly that that makes that should have been the
game player like you basically taken I don't want to
say taking the season off, but you you kind of
you've mailed it in this season and now that that
shouldn't happen from him. No, he's he's too young to
(08:54):
not feel like he should have gone out and said,
you know what, I got my championship, Lebron still here.
Now you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get
my MVP. Chris in my back pocket. I could get
both of them and then have a chance to go
back to back, And once you do that, you change
the perception of you, of who you are as a player.
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And it just didn't feel like Anthony Davis had that
game plan going into the season. And you just said
it again since he's been back, and I'm not here
to I don't know how hurt people are, and I'm
not gonna rip on people coming back from injuries or
where they are, but he just hadn't been that good.
And when you look at this team and that Sacramento lass.
(09:34):
I watched the Laker post game show, I mean it
was like, uh, what do you call those uh those
dolls that give out with the heads that bob bobble heads,
bobble heads. I know, right, I was gonna close dolls
with the hands that bobble right. They were all bobbling
their hands, Chris because they couldn't understand it, like like
(09:56):
was that worthy? And yeah, you know they were just
like like like these games are so important. What are
they doing? You just had sacrament on Toronto at home.
Should be wins, no doubt. So so I'm out on
the Lakers. I just think too many things have to
go right, and already we've seen that they haven't. And
(10:17):
you know what, I think the season might be better
off them going into the playoff game, playing game and losing,
and that might be the way this season ends. Oh
but what do you mean though, No, I'm just meaning
that that's the way, because yeah, it could end that
way because it's just so much that they would have
to overcome in order to try to win another championship. Well,
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for them to if they let's say hypothetically they finished seventh,
for them to not even make the playoffs, they'd have
to lose to Memphis in a one and done, which
you know could happen. I mean I wouldn't pick it,
but yeah, one and done, anything could happen. Then they
would play the loser the winner of game, and that team,
(10:59):
let's say it's Golden State, would have to beat the
Lakers twice, right, right, So it's still unlikely if they
get the seventh or eight seed that they won't make
the playoffs, but anything's possible at this point. I'm gonna
break it down like this for Laker fans, and like
I said, I'm not ready to totally write them off,
but I hear where you're coming from. Rob. Number one,
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They here's some of their concerns Lebron James. The health
all right, six seven years ago, Lebron would have been
back much earlier from this angle injury, and he would
have been fine once he got back. But now that's Rob.
This is what happens. People think you retire, what you
retire because you can't play basketball anymore. No, you get old,
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the superstars get old. It takes you a lot longer
to recover from injury. Right, you can't play at a
higher level as consistently. And you wonder is father time.
I'm sure it being thirty six years old and his
eighteenth year has something to do with this injury and
how long it's taking him to get back, just like
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it did a few years ago. So that's number one.
And then Rob, we've said it many times. When Lebron
came back two years ago, he wasn't able to carry them.
He probably needed more of a ramp up, right, more
time to get going. And don't you remember he was
like playoff, right, he thought he was activated, and he
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went out there and they lost to three or four
bad teams and it cost him. They went eight and
thirteen Rob after he came back and then he shut
it down. He maybe wasn't ready, but that might be
the case. Now he might not get close to one
hundred percent and he probably won't be able to carry
him if that's the case. Secondly, you mentioned it, Ad.
Here's the numbers Rob since he's come back from injury.
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Sixteen and a half points, six and a half rebounds,
thirty nine percent, shooting eighteen percent from three. Think about
pretty Oh my gosh, I mean that's not even that's
that is downright bad, right And and Andre drumming with
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those two, how's that working out? Not well? And I'm
glad you brought that up because it's not working his
a D. The net rating with a D and a
D both of them are a d's drumming and Anthony
Davis on the court is negative six point six. When
it's Anthony Davis and Mark Gasol, Rob is plus eight
(13:32):
point eight. And you heard last night, I don't know
if you saw it, Kyle Kuzma said we got issues.
We're not together, not as a team, not as a staff.
He and one thing he said is Mark Gasol should
be playing more Rob. That's all you've been covering sports
a long time. We both have. That tells me that
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there may be whispers, you know what I'm saying, Like,
he ain't the only one. Yo. We need Gasol getting
more minutes because they see it and they understand it.
And it was nice. And I'm not Andre Drummonds a
fine player, Chris, I'm not here to rip on him,
but I don't know if he really fits and that's
the issue. And players know it, you know what I mean.
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You don't think they know that number. They're like the
floor spread right the Lakers. That would open things up
for a d to be not only outside but inside
as well, opens up the lane for Lebron. So yeah, now,
and here's the thing you mentioned, drumming Rob look at
the paper on paper, thirteen points, ten rebounds, fifty three
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percent shooting in twenty five minutes a night. You would
look at that and be like, oh, oh, this is great.
What do I sp right, But he's the worst defensive
player on the team, and that's shown in the stats
and what to me, And like you said, I'm not
trying to rip him. These are just I'm just pointing
it out. Just numbers right, right, the numbers right, he's
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doing what he's done throughout his career. His numbers are great.
They were great in Detroit, they were great the little
bit of time he played for Cleveland. But you don't
win any game, No, you don't win. And so the
Lakers got and then Dennis shrewder. Now he could be
out the rest of the regular season with cool. And
(15:21):
I'm gonna end with this, Rob, because you said something
a lot of people might try to call you on,
but I know what you meant. You said, too many
things have to go right. Similar for Brooklyn, right, Harden's
gotta get right. Kd's gotta stay right. They got some
things too. But here's the difference. It is harder to
(15:42):
work in the Lakers Stars than it is the Nets.
Even though Lebron is you know, we both say, the
second greatest player ever. You don't just drop Lebron James
into a lineup. No, he's the he's the lineup. Right,
everything's gonna change. And to be honest, even though he's
(16:03):
not as good as Lebrin. Same thing with Anthony Davis
and to a far lesser extent, Andre Drummond. Because Rob,
none of them are great shooters, none of them are
catching shoot guys, you know, so they have to have
the ball, particularly Lebron and a D. They need the ball.
And so now remember the Lakers were actually playing pretty
decently before a D came back because guys were starting
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to understand, Okay, now this is my role. We're getting
some stuff together. And then you bring a D back
and everything changes. Then you bring Lebron back and everything
changes again. Whereas with any of the three in Brooklyn Harden,
but specific particularly Durant and then Kyrie as well, you
can drop them in because they're such good shooters. That's
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the thing, the huge difference KD. Just drop him in.
He'll take seventeen shots. He'll take fifteen shots again, right right,
So you don't have to change everything because they all
can shoot the basketball. So yeah, um, Rob's writing them off.
I'm not ready to go that far yet, but there
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Are there problems just too darn much for them to
overcome this season? What are your thoughts? All right, let's
(18:41):
kick it off with Max and Georgia. You're on the
eye couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up Max? What's up? Guys?
You know, Chris, you were gone, Rob and I and
Jonas we kind of touched on this a few weeks ago.
You know, it's been the writing's been on the wall.
To me. I think the team now has realized him
coming back. You look at the regression of the offense,
you look at the fall moment, lack of moving. Guys
(19:01):
just aren't feeling it like they were. And it's sad
because I think it reflects on his leadership when you
go out and say things before you enter the court
and then you kind of go back on those things
after your first couple of games. He Lebron's played two games. Yeah,
but Chrissy got himself out of the game against Toronto.
You think he's gonna do that if they're winning that game.
He wants stack stays. So you don't think he's hurt. Chris.
(19:26):
I'm not saying he's not hurt, but I can say
this for a matter of fact, if he's reinjured that
that ankle, it's because he put his mouth so far
or it's put so far deep in his mouth. A
couple of weeks ago with that tweet, he's probably reins
that's stop it. Well, I perspect I knew what angle
you were taking, Max, but just stop it. Let me
reel you in, Come back in, Come back in, Drew
(19:49):
in New Jersey. You're in the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio. What's up, Drew. I don't think Lebron has
a chance at winning championship. I think he's gonna beat
the Clippers. I think anybody out West they could beat.
But as far as will you still got him coming
out of West, yeah, yeah, I mean I don't. I
just think that you get a different Lebron in the playoffs.
(20:12):
But having said that, that's true. As far as dropping
in Lebron with anything, I think Kevin Durant is obviously.
I feel like Kevin Durant, you can put them on
with three other guys. You built dynasty, right, if you
have three other all stars, you can play with anybody.
You can't build dynasty. If you do build Lebron around
three other guys, I don't think you're gonna have as
(20:33):
much success. I don't think they're gonna win his bank championships. Well,
they're gonna have to be guys. They can fit around Lebron.
What Lebron does, Where's Durant to just drop in? Yeah,
I think and I think with Lebron, I think he's
built more like I can do more with less words.
I don't think Kevin Durrant can do that. I don't
think Kevin Durant. Yeah, I mean, be honest, I don't know.
(20:56):
I don't think any player in the history of basketball
has been able to do more with less than Lebron. Now,
Lebron's had trouble getting that team over the hump to
win it all, but he even Michael Jordan didn't make
just also Rans as good as Lebrons made him. I
don't believe Marty in Kentucky. You're in the eye couple
(21:18):
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Marty? What's up? Guys? Yes, Okay,
my wee eater was running. I'm sorry. Um, I gotta
tell you. I've been out on the Lakers ever since
they didn't get Rondo back. I don't think they have
enough dogs. I know Rondo doesn't do a lot in
(21:40):
the season, anymore of it. I believe in playoffs, Rondo
and I really never believed in them since since they
let him go. And also I gotta comment on what
Chris just said. A lot of the Lebron supporters feel
that he makes the players better, you know, and that's
something that he's got on Jordan. And I don't agree
with that because they make the point that the Cavs
(22:03):
fell apart when he left and Jordan's Bulls were able
to win fifty plus games when he left. But I
think if you make players better there, you make them
better when you leave. They they learned how to win
and they can win without you. Well, I don't think, George.
I mean, I do think Jordan developed Scottie Pippen, don't.
I think if Scottie Pippen went to another team and
(22:24):
never played with Michael Jordan, I don't think he would
have become what he did, not just because playing with Jordan,
having him draw that attention, you know, makes it easier
for you. But I rob I think I remember I
used to say, I can watch and see how Scottie
Pippen is learning year after year from Michael Jordan, well
Andy becoming a better player because of it. The other
(22:46):
thing too, with Lebron too, is you know, he's the
pseudo general manager. They often make trades and do stuff
to help build up. You know, remember the former GM
was saying it could be a nightmare because everything is
base around. You're trying to win and put together a
team for Lebron, and if he steps out, you know,
people say, oh when he left the team, Well, well,
(23:08):
because that team was constructed to be to fit around Lebron,
you know what I mean, because he's a system onto him.
Say that's fair. I think that that. I'm not saying that,
you know, like like they were a great team or
or all those players were all stars. I'm just saying
when you build around somebody like that and you take
(23:29):
that piece away, hard to replace it and forward to
work the same way. That's it, right, right, And he
really makes role players much better, you know, but get
stars they got to adjust the playing with him. But
role players who can't do it for themselves, he makes
them a lot better. All right. We got Charlie Castle
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Here is our at former NFL GM and an NFL
network analyst who will be joining us momentarily, our man
Charlie Castley. But Rob, we're gonna get into the Aaron
Rodgers stuff with Charlie, and obviously being a former GM,
I'm looking for to hear how he would handle a
(25:02):
situation like that. Well, we we've talked to him before
about players and you know, in the GM, and you know,
it's one thing to clue somebody in or ask them
some advice. But if you're gonna be the bosson, you're
gonna be the guy that ultimately be held responsible. It's
gotta be your decision. I just don't care who the
player is. You gotta be careful about that. And I
(25:25):
think that's what Charlie said the last time we're talking
about that. He never, you know, made a decision based
off of what a player told him. I mean, which
which makes sense. I mean, it doesn't mean that you
can't ask for its opinion, Chris or stuff like that,
but you can't make decisions like that because ultimately it's
your it's your neck. No, I think that's got to
(25:50):
make a job. Yes, and if it doesn't work out,
guess what they're coming for, Chris. They're coming for you, right.
So wait a minute, Aaron Rodgers told me to draft
that guy. Wait a minute, Aaron said, to hire this
coach as the offensive coordinator. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
Aaron said, the signing this free agent running back. What
(26:14):
didn't they say, Hey, all these moves were wrong, and
b what do we hire dude? What are we paying
you for? Aaron general manager? We don't need you. Nah,
So you don't wait on that. And we're gonna get
into the Aaron Rodgers stuff in the next hour. It
is not looking good out there up there in Green Bay.
But uh, we will see. I heard rob um. I
(26:37):
heard some people talking about the Aaron Rodgers on Jeopardy.
Now you saw some of it, yeah, because what what what?
I heard some say they something thought he was really good.
Some say he was dry. I didn't watch any of it,
so I don't know, but I heard people saying he
was dry. Did you get that? I thought his hair,
Dude was dry. But other than that, I don't know.
(26:59):
Jeopardy's not like some Alex Trebek. That's a good point.
He was not the persona I mean, that's what made
you know what I mean was definitely was like what
like right, Richard Dawson or I think if he went
out right. I think if he went out there being
Steve Harvey, people would would die if you tried to
(27:22):
gas up Jeopardy like that, right, That's not what they right, right? Yeah,
I'm just saying. I'm not saying he's like the best
talk show game show host ever. I think if they
gave him time and he got reps, Chris, he could
do it. That's That's what I'm saying. If they if
they if they gave him time. So the thing is,
and you noticed Roberts. Sometimes you can't tell, you know.
(27:46):
I mean, look at a lot of the athletes that
have become great on TV. Char was anybody going to
predict that Charles Barkley would become what he did? Now?
We knew he was funny, you knew he'd say whatever
was on his mind, but not Shaws as a player
back then as a visiting writer, and he was gold
(28:07):
to us, Chris, you know that? Oh yeah, absolutely? Did
you think he would become No? You know, yeah, I
mean now, a lot of people I remember thought Doctor
Jay would be great because doctor Doctor j was bad.
I thought he was he was too soft spoken, right,
Joe Montana was bad, Chris Joe. He did the NBC
(28:28):
pre and post game enough energy, right, not enough? Just
that's just who he is, you know what I mean,
It's not enough. And then another guy who got a
big break to go, remember Tikey Barber went to he
was gonna be Michael Strahand exad Michael Strahan exa. It
didn't and it didn't work out, and nobody would have
(28:49):
thought Strahand right, not not to that point where he
is where he's on Good Morning America, Right. I did
not see that for him. Yeah, but you're right, tik.
I mean that was one of the reasons he walked away.
Oh he walked. He got he got if I remember correct,
and I'm and I could be off. He got to
leave football and at that time, I think they offered
him Chris three million dollars to do that job. How
(29:12):
many people could walk off to the football field get
a three hundred three hundred million dollars three million dollars
job or national television like little to no experience, right,
I mean, and I thought again, handsome, well spoken, you know,
it seemed like he had a good personality. I don't know,
(29:35):
he lacked energy. I think, you know, there's an it
And I tell this to young kids, Rob when we
you know, you and I we talked to a lot
of youngsters that want to get into business. There is
an IT factor to this business radio and TV. You
know what I'm saying. Like some there are guys that
can be technically sound, right, they got all the info,
(29:57):
but there's no IT factor, there's no nothing to dry right,
and and so sometimes you can look at the players.
Alway's handsome, he's articulate, he's you know, got a great
and it just doesn't work, and I you know what, guys,
I'll give you one where I thought it would work.
I swear to you, Chris. I said when when Larry
(30:20):
King leaves CNN, that they're one of two people they
should hire for that job. One was Bill Clinton. I
thought Bill Clinton could do that job. And number two
was was Alex Rodriguez. That's what I've always I always
said that I knew he would be good on television
because he's got a little something. Well, he'd been getting
(30:42):
ripped recently. We will get into the well, get into that,
but I'm just talking about he's on doing baseball. He's
I mean, he is the face of baseball's announcing yea, yeah, yeah,
Bill Clinton. I think Clinton could have done it. I
really do. I really think Bill Clinton could have done
that for him. Obviously for a president, that's just a
(31:03):
step down, you know what I mean. But but right right,
so all right, we got Charlie Cashley. Something came up.
He couldn't join us this segment, but he will join
us in the next one. Keep it locked, I couple
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live from the Fox Sports Radio studios, and our favorite
former NFL GM now an NFL Network analyst, Charlie Cashley,
joins us. Charlie, how are you? Thank great guys tonight.
(31:46):
Good to have you. Let's get right to it. Um,
Aaron Rodgers, you know the situation in Green Bay. If
you were running NET team saying Mark Murphy's shoes, how
would you handle it? Well, I wouldn't trade him. Uh,
you're gonna retire a packer up. You're gonna retire tomorrow
for Jeopardy even. Um, you also a lot of money.
(32:07):
We paid you a lot of money, and so h uh,
that's that's what we're gonna do on the thing. And
if he hasn't played, and we go with Jordan Love
and we move on with our lives. But we're not
We're not trading the Hall of Fame cornerback. Antry just
became the MVP of the uh the league when he's
under contract and we've paid him a lot of money
so far that that would be suicide for the general
(32:28):
manager am I right in the front office took to
make a move like that, Charlie. Uh but but but,
but here's the other part that if a guy doesn't
want to play or doesn't want to be around, don't
you have to try to figure something out because you're
not gonna get your best from him if he doesn't
want to be there. Yes, No, it depends on the person. Now.
(32:51):
I don't know Aaron Rodgers. I mean I met him
when he was a young guy and before he became famous,
so to speak, and he, right it seemed like a
wonderful young man to me. They've been able to live
with whatever, you know, his personality traits may be because
things seem to pop up from now and you know,
it didn't get along with Mike McCarthy at the end,
(33:13):
but they seems to have forced a good relationship with
the new coach. Obviously, he has benefited immensely by the system.
Now he probably thinks he could be an MVP in
any system, and there might be some truth to that,
but he has played his best football right now in
this system, and then they've got a good team around him,
so you know, I wouldn't worry about it. I mean,
(33:35):
I'd make my stand the way it is. I'd do
it one on one with them. What I'd like to
know is these conversations they had. Was he just looking
for more money over the next couple of years because
it's going to be forty at the end of his contract,
so extending him past that, I'm not so sure you
want to do that. Can you pay him more money?
(33:56):
I'd have to see more about their cap situation to
be able to say, can we just give him an
increase in salary? Don't you find it odd that? I mean,
from all the reports, the problem is the Jordan Love Draft,
but that was a year ago. You know, Like he
comes out and plays like an MVP. Doesn't really say
anything crazy about the draft. Obviously he wasn't happy with it,
(34:19):
but he plays like an MVP. Everything seems fine, and
now it comes out. What do you make of that?
It just is the timing is way off. Yeah, I
agree with you, Okay, something doesn't add up there, and
I don't know the answer. My gut is money. That's
Mike gut no, And Charlie, that's a good guest because
(34:42):
he just played some of his best football, right. I mean,
anybody would want to get a little bit more be
compensated for that. Most people were writing him off. People
were saying he was finished, he should go finish his
career elsewhere. And the guy put up an unbelievable season. Yeah,
you know. And I again, traditionally it's it's always about
(35:03):
money and when you get into these situations. See, so
that's kind of what my guess on it. On what
you have. Um, I'm the Jordan Love thing. That's old news, okay, right,
he was Jordan Love at one point, right right, No,
he was for three years, right right, So so so
what other thing? I mean, that's the way I look
(35:24):
at it. You know. The other thing is I'm looking
this up. In his first two years he was paid, um,
roughly ninety six million dollars if I've got my math
right on this thing here. Um, okay, So over two years,
that's an average of forty eight million dollars in his
first two years in twenty eighteen and nineteen. The contract
(35:44):
was front loaded. So and he's gonna make in cash
twenty two, twenty five five, and twenty five five over
the next three years. Now you can say, well, some
of these other quarterbacks are making more, but you know
he blew him out of the park the first time.
So I don't have sympathy for the player in this situation. Okay,
I really don't. You have a contract on or the contract? Why?
(36:07):
Why did why did you sign the contract in the
first place? Right? I've always said, yeah, you got to
live with it, Charlie. Let me ask you this. Are
you a Jeopardy fan? Did you watch Aaron Rodgers on Jeopardy?
Chris has gotten mixed reviews. I saw him. I thought
he did fine for you know, a guy without that
much experience and a player. What did you did you
see any of his appearances on Jeopardy? Okay? If they
(36:32):
think he can draw consistent ratings, especially if he's not
playing football, now okay, then he might get the job.
But if he's not playing football, he's not gonna get
those ratings. Yeah, that'll be interesting. Does he have that
crossover appeal? Uh? Maybe maybe we'll see. Remember he's been
(36:53):
a commercial guy for Stay Farmed for a million years,
so he's he's got you know what I mean, He's
been doing that for ten Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, let
me ask you this time, because there you get different
sides of this. Um. Do you think that the Packers
have done a good job of building around him. And
I've heard guys okay, yes, yes, and yes and yes, okay. Um,
(37:18):
he's got Davante Adams, one of the best receivers in
the league. You've got a double cover him. Now he's
got Aaron Jones, one of the best running backs in
the league, who's also flexible to go out and play
wide receiver. So you got to give him. You've got
to say something good about that. The offensive line has
always been above average. They've got you know, you know,
Lizard's a pretty good number two receiver. But the tight end,
(37:40):
Robert Tunyon, I'm telling you watching this guy on tape,
this guy is one of the best tight ends in
the league. Believe great last year he did. And he's
not a fluke because they move them around and playing
in a lot of different positions. This guy's a bad
matchup for linebackers and safeties. And he's got a knack
in the red zone. So you've got all the components
(38:01):
there the d. But again, you can only spend so
much money in certain places, so the defense is the
area you got to keep working on. Um. So I think, yes,
they have built around him. I don't think the frontal
office should be second guests on the draft choices they've made,
and so what. So they took Jordan Love, you know
right now, having Jordan Love is from a management point
(38:22):
of view, is a pretty good deal. At least we
got somebody if the guy is going to retire, you know,
we can we can line up and go play. We're not,
you know, dead in the water with nobody to play with.
So yeah, okay, we got about two minutes left in
this and we got a hard out here. I want
to ask you about Lance uh in San Francisco and
is that a fit? How does that fit with the
(38:43):
San Francisco offense? Yeah? Both ways. Okay, first of all,
the guys and that guy's got a strong arm or
quick release. His accuracy is above average, he throws well
on the run, he's good in play action. All those
things fit the offense. The other thing is why why
do they like him more? Because now they can put
in a running game with the quarterback and be like
Baltimore And now of a sudden, you got to defend
(39:04):
the quarterback in the running game. So that's an option
for him and he doesn't have to play right away. Well,
I was gonna ask you because some people are saying
throw these rookies in right away, but I don't think
it should be a hard and fast rule like that.
You should wait till the guy's ready. Absolutely, I don't
care if the guy if I don't care if he
plays all year. If you're winning with Garoppolo, give the
(39:26):
guy time to develop. Patrick Mahomes he played one throwaway
game as a rookie, and you know he's the best
quarterback in the league. You can argue, but if he
had to play right away, that wouldn't have helped him.
All Right, that's our man, Charlie Castley. We appreciate the knowledge, Rolie,
appreciate you wait waiting that guys. All right, yea, all right,
(39:48):
we got plenty of odd couple left for you. Two
hours left. We'll get into some a ride a little
bit later, and we're gonna get into some a roge
Aaron Rodgers, who we just talked about with Charlie Castley.
That will be coming up shortly. And Andy Kamensky Andy Kamenitsky.
(40:09):
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will join us to talk about what in the world
is going on in Tensiltown. He's plugged in. He knows
what's going on with that team, so we will get
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