August 18, 2021 • 38 mins
Rob Parker and Andy Furman, in for Chris Broussard, react to NFL.com's top 30 over 30 list, which places Aaron Rodgers over Tom Brady, and debate which quarterback they would take right now. The guys react to Jack Morris making a racist remark regarding Shohei Ohtani on the Tigers broadcast and explain why this is a significant issue and why announcers need to be much better. Sports Attorney Dan Lust joins the guys to give the latest information on the investigations surrounding Deshaun Watson and Trevor Bauer.
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You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brusso and Rod Harker. And let's start Andy with football.
Let's start there. And there was a list that came
out that I want to pull up and we can
go over that about them, you know, the top player,
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the top quarterbacks in the league. And the list was
top thirty players, I should say over thirty. That was
the list, and that came from NFL dot com. And
the list at Aaron Rodgers was higher than Brady. Let
me give you the top four in this list. Okay, okay,
Aaron Donald, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, and Russell Wilson. I'm
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just giving you the top four. And it's just the list.
Remember the top thirty over thirty years old. And a
lot of people on me eyebrows raised. I'm sure yours
did a little bit because Tom Brady wasn't on the
top of that list because he's not even over thirty,
he's over forty, he's almost fifty, you know what I mean?
But yeah, where do you make it? What do you
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make up this list? And do you think Tom Brady
deserves to be in the top five? This list is
a forest because when you called the guy the goat,
tow can he not being number one in the list?
That's it's easy as that, it really is. Look, Aaron
Rodgers is greatly, He's always going to be in the
shadow of Tom Brady for what tom Brady has done,
what he's accomplished with the players that he's had on
his side. I mean, really, a truly, here's a guy
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come on a sixth round draft pick and he's become
How could you not have him number one? And again
he's called the goat? How could he not be never
one in the list? How could he be the goat?
If Eli Manning beat him twice in the Super Bowl?
I'm still trying to figure that out. Can you help me? Yeah,
because he's got six rings, that's why did he get
all six? Or did the defense help him? As in
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Patrick Mahomes not scoring any points in the Super Bowl,
as in the Saint Louis Rams, who were the greatest
show on turping, held the thirteen points in a Super Bowl.
How about the Falcons were up twenty eight to three
and didn't score in the second half of that Super Bowl?
How about the Rams a few years ago? La Rams
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had the fifth greatest offense in the history of the NFL,
and they only were able to manage three points in
a and that was on an eighty nine yard field goal.
I mean, let's not oversell the Brady And I'll tell
you this, and no, you're right, But I tell you what,
that's the fallacy of this because I'm glad you got
that for me, I really am. I'll tell you why
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because when you see games promoted on TV, it's always
the quarterback versus the other quarterback. They don't talk about
anything else any The same thing in hockey is goalkeeper
against goalkeeper. You know, It's like if you see a
game on TV, the Dallas against New England, it's gonna
be the quarterback versus quarterback, Prescott versus Brady, no one else,
no one else counts. And they always because the one
lost record of the quarterbacks it's crazy. It really is. No,
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it is, and that's how we operate, and we always
are putting it out there. But I think if you
would to just take away take away the Super Bowls,
if if can we can see take away the Super
Bowls and say that they're a team achieved entity of
your career? Can can we agree with that? Andy? Follow me? Well,
take away to super Go ahead? Okay, okay, we take
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away to Super Bowls and just talk about the player's ability,
what they do on the field, and who's the best.
I don't even think it's close that Aaron Rodgers has
a better skill set and is a better quarterback than
Tom Brady. Tom Brady is the most accomplished quarterback. But
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I don't think anybody, given all things equal, Andy, would
pick Tom Brady over Aaron Rodgers on any given Sunday,
any Wednesday. You agree with that. I agree with that,
And you're right, maybe accomplished is the key word here,
the accomplished quarterback. You know, what Brady has accomplished is tremendous,
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you know, and he did it with a group of
great players and a tremendous coach. You know, Aaron Rodgers
may be the better skill set quarterback, but he has
not reached the pinnacle and accomplished what Tom Brady has accomplished.
There's no doubt. And that's why I say, and I'm
not to say that Aaron's not to blame at all,
but you know, Andy, over the years, the practice have
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gone in with subpart defenses, and the Patriots have had
great defenses, top five defenses. Right. Even the year that
the Patriots were eighteen and oh right and wound up
losing to Eli Manning and the Giants, you know, they
had a great defense. They've always had a great defense,
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except for that one time that they played Philadelphia and
they got lit up for what four hundred and fifty
yards or whatever it was from Nick Foles. But for
the most part, the defense has always been there. And
he has a great coach. And I think that Tom
Brady gets way too much credit. This is not only
a Tom Brady thing. How about Aaron Donald as being
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number one you think I think it's tremendous that even
looked at a defensive player. You know, normally this all offense,
and they gave him a defensive player, which is great.
He might be one of the better defensive players if
not the best of all time. Tremendous player. He really is.
But I want to go back to this By Brady
situation with Aaron Rodgers. I mean, yeah, I mean it
doesn't make a difference, you know, if one has a
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better skill set. I think it's all in the minds
of what have you accomplished, And yes, Tom Brady has
accomplished more than Aaron Rodgers. Good bidder and different defenses,
team players, personnel, whatever it may be, Tom Brady has
accomplished more. End of story, you know, And I would
ask you, I would go in a different direction in sports,
I would go who is the greatest in basketball? And
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my take has always been Wild Chamberlain the most dominant
player ever to play the game in the NBA. But
Bill Russell accomplished more than Wild Chamberlain ever did. When
you have ten championships in twelve years or eleven and
thirteen something like that and Chamberlain one two. But still
I think Chamberlain was the most dominant player ever to
play the game. I get that, but I think winning
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also factors in. And I understand where you are. But
here's the part that I think is always negated. And
I don't know why because it's not done with all players.
They have a scarlet letter. They always get painted with
that brush. About the cheating scandal, Tom Brady was suspended
for four games when he was busted cheating. The Patriots
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were fined heavily the coach for cheating a gate. How
come that? How come that doesn't factor in? Why do
you give Tom Brady a pass? Who who's helped by
knowing the defensive signals? Does Tom Brady get an edge
if he knows what defense they're playing? He certainly does.
But look, I mean you're looking at something that's still
picking you. And I mean the four games that he's
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spent on the bench because of the air and the football.
I mean, that to me was a joke. It was
a joke. It really was. You think that really affected
his play? The air in the football? I mean, come on,
there would change, but no, it's about there's a reason
that there are air specifications on the four Green Okay, change,
but changed from city to city. You know, tires contract
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and expand in heat and cold, and in the same thing.
When a football game is played in the South, or
play perhaps in Chicago, it's different to pull away differently.
I get that. But I'm just saying there's a reason
those rules were on the books. And if you remember
that team that year, they I don't know if they
lost a fumble all year or they had one fumble.
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And you know this, Andy, A softball is harder, it's
easier to hold on to than one that's slick, yes
or no. Okay, So those there are reasons why. And
don't forget. The other thing is when a team goes
in on offense, their ball is sent in from the sidelines. Right.
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It's not the same. It's not like basketball. There's not
a Lakers ball. When they're on offense, they called time
out and then when the nets are going down the
other way, they give them their ball. There's no such thing.
And football maybe to stop that is that there should
probably be just one football, do you know what I mean?
Because that that that's where the that that's the only
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part that I think when you talk talk about Brady
and accomplishments, those are thrown out the window. I get
the Aaron Donald, I get the defense. What a disruptor
he is? What? But you're picking on things that look,
I understand they broke the rules. I get that, but
you might as well, throw in the fact that they
play in a week of conference, right, I mean, I mean,
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they got six wins every year before they throw that
into I mean, if you want to throw it in
and put that on on, the weight on the scale
against Tom Brady is fine. The teams that they play,
come on, I mean the Jets and at the time
Buffalo was terrible as well Miami, right, and they were
bad teams. So throw that in there too. But you
know what, also, given the fact that they're playing in
a real rough climate, playing in New England and November's rough,
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no doubt. What about I think Russell Wilson should be
ahead of Tom Brady. I think, Oh my goodness, no,
I do. And I'm talking about you. Gotta remember tom
Brady's in his forties now. He had a good season
if you looked at it, a lot of those stats
at the end, and he just go look at who
they played. He feasted on some really bad teams, struggled
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in the middle of the year against better teams. Remember
the Chicago game that they biss I mean, but that's
a good defense. He's struggled again against the Packers. Yet
three picks in the second half most guys never get
close to that of winning a game like that when
he plays so poorly in the second half, but they
were able to survive it. My point is, I don't
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have a problem with Aaron Rodgers being ahead of Tom Brady.
And I'm just saying, for my money, I would put
Russell Wilson ahead of Tom Brady as well at this point,
well maybe at this point at his age, the age difference,
obviously he's a major factor. But then again, I think
you're just making You're just picking here, and I mean
I would tell you this poll, I don't know who
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picked the poll, and it was the NFL dot Com
right right. However, if you were to pick personnel people
in the NFL Hall of Fame voters in the NFL,
it would pick Tom Brady, you know, for whatever the means.
I don't think that's the case. I do. I think
if you would, like I said, you stripped down everything
and say which quarterback did you see Aaron Rodgers last
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year at thirty seven in the season he put up
I mean he was old too, I mean he hit
a great year. I mean I think Drew Brees is
a great quarterback. He's not even listed in the year
he's not well, he's retired now, so I mean but
still right. But I'm talking about Aaron Rodgers. Last season
was as good of a season only only one other
year when he won the MVP he had a higher
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um quarterback rating. But other than that, he lit up everything.
He was spectacular at age thirty seven. And I can
understand why Tom Brady played well, but a lot of
those numbers came were soft numbers. You know what's bad,
and I'm agreeing with you, but I'm gonna put a
bow on this right now. You know what the bow
is and you know it as well as anybody else.
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So all about championships and rings, that's all. That's what
it's all about. I o'kay, who you play. You can't
control who you play on your schedule. The stats here,
maybe he had some garbage time stats. Note that about that.
But at the end of the day, look at the
trophy case in Aaron Rodgers house. I look at the
trophy case in Tom Brady's well, But this is if
if this was just about trophies, then I give it
to you. But it's not. It's about who's the top
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It's great to have you in on a day when
we're talking baseball, especially because you're living Cincinnati, one of
the all time great baseball cities. I'm very fortunate, Andy
that in my thirty five year career, I've worked in
nothing but great baseball towns. I worked in New York,
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I worked in Cincinnati, I worked in Detroit, and I
worked and I worked in Los Angeles. All great baseball towns.
And which one was the best? The best? You know
what I'm going to say. I called Saint Louis the
baseball capital of the United States, so Saint Louis number.
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I didn't work there, but I would say Cincinnati, Detroit.
The difference between New York and LA is that they
split allegiances, and I think that makes it a little different,
even though they're great baseball towns. But I'm gonna pick Cincinnati.
It's a holiday. They love the Reds. Yeah, they really do.
I tell you what, I find it very interesting when
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you look at sports, the old landscape of sports, how
certain cities kind of gravitate to certain sports. You look
at Pittsburgh, it's all football. They can't they can't get
a dime of a fan in the stadium. And it's
for baseball. It can't get anybody got a beautiful stadium.
Now they really do. I mean, it's just funny how
some cities just do that. And then Saint Louis couldn't
support a football team but baseball and two football teams.
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I think about that, Andy, But they got forty five
thousand for a Wednesday afternoon game. They draw three million
every year, without question. They are Cardinals and Blues fans.
But let's stick to baseball, Andy. That's why it up
because I want to talk about this Jack Morris situation.
Jack Morris, of course a broadcaster for the Detroit Tigers
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on Ballet Sports Detroit, the Hall of Famery, pitch for
the Tigers for twelve thirteen years, also was a big
stud postseason picture with the Minnesota Twins, and he was
trying to be funny. I guess I just don't understand
why guys keep doing this to themselves. Andy, But he
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was suspended indefinitely for his racist comment when Shohei Otani
was about to come up. Let's take a listen. I
think we have the sound. Let's take a listen to
what he said last night on the broadcast. Now, what
do you do with shoe Otani? He's very better careful. Well, folks,
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Shohei otanis coming to the plate, and it's been brought
to my attention. And I surely apologize if I offended anybody,
actually anybody in the Asian community for what I said
about pitching and being careful to show hey Otani. I
did not intend for any offensive thing, and I apologize
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if I did. Certainly respect and have the utmost respect
for this guy. Don't blame a pitcher for walking. It
was offensive. He was he was acting or giving a
Japanese or Asian person right, trying to be like funny.
So he did that voice, and of course shame on.
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All the people ran to his defense, Andy, and the
first thing they said was he was imitating Elmer Fudd,
And I was like Elmer Fudd. First of all, Alma
Fudd doesn't even say that. Okay, Alma Fudd says, be
very very quiet, I'm hunting rabbits. Okay, So he didn't
say that. Be very careful has nothing to what Elma.
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And it happened with Joho Tani coming up and you know, Andy,
when you heard it, what did you think? I'd love
to hear your take? I shook my head and I say,
why why would you do that? Why would you go there?
And after so many things have happened, and then since
Thenai Wheld was at the anniversary here of a year
ago when Tom Brennman said something that was very detrimental
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and he got the axe. He did and he wasn't
It was quick, it really was, and his wasn't even
on the broadcast. It was like it was a hot
mid Right. It's just crazy. And look, I'm not saying good,
better and different. I'm not saying that maybe this canceled
culture is crazy. You can't do that. You can't insult people.
You just don't do things like that. And you don't
come back and say if I insulted you, well you
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did well, you might insult them, you know, don't, don't
give it if I insult, well, you know you did,
and you know you were wrong. But the point is
that are you that stupid after you've seen so many
people go down the tubes and flames after doing that,
you went ahead and did it. But my question is this,
Will he come back? He's a favorite son of Detroit.
Jack Morris is and he says suspended. Now with Tom Brenneman,
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he was boomed out, You're out of here. Fox Sports
did it on football. He's gone, the Citcinnati reds with
Ballet Sports, he's gone. And it doesn't look like he's
coming back now. Well, Jack Morris come back? Was Is
there a Is there a stringent rule for each guy?
Or everybody gets their own deal? I mean it's like
if I rob a bank in Minnesota, is the same
as robbing a bank in New York? Do I get
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a week in jail in Minnesota or thirty years in
jail in New York? I mean, it's gotta be the
same everybody, right, But it's not. Don't you remember Bob
Brendley made a joke about Marcus Stroman's do rag that
he was wearing. Do you remember that, Andy, Yes? And
he said, oh, that looks like the do rag Tom
Seaver used to wear right, which is basically, he was
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making fun of something that black people wear for their hair,
and he was he had to get sensitivity treatment. They
claim that he stepped aside even though you know what
I mean, They didn't want to embats him. And I
think he's coming back or came back to the broadcast.
It's different for different people. And Tom brennaman when you
say it, it wasn't on the broadcast. It was a
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hot mic. And his dad is a legend, a Hall
of Fame broadcaster and a Cincinnati icon. I know Tom
and Marty from my time there, and both of those
guys are great guys to me. But you can't do
it Andy, Tom knows it. Marty even said it after
I would say this. Jack Morris knew that you can't
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do it right. Jack Morris would have been better about
dropping the F bomb than what he said. Really, they
mayn't forgiven for that. Maybe I don't know, but at
least when you say something like that, you're not offending
a group of people. You know people are not happy
to hear that. But at least that he maybe could
squirm out of that one yeah, I just help me
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with this. Andy. I think you know you said to yourself,
why would you go there? Why would you do it?
You've seen land mind, You've seen all the people who
keep losing their gigs, and Andy, you would think common sense.
Stay off the joke, stay off the ethnics stuff, stay
off the racist humor. Just stop it. Just when in doubt,
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don't say it doubt, don't say and you know what,
stay away from religion and politics. Didn't you seek the problem?
I think I think they can't help themselves. I really don't,
because if you could, Andy, you wouldn't do it. I
think they can't help themselves. They think it's funny and
they don't understand that the world has changed. I don't
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know if they think they're funny, but I think that
they think that they have such cache that they can
get away with it. Like it's one of those deals
when you get stopped by a cop and you're an athlete.
Do you know who I am? Deal? Right? Do you
know how? Tony Larus has said, yeah, do you know
who I am? You know? No? I don't. I really don't.
So Jack Mars feels like, well, I could do it.
I'm a guard in Detroit, and I could say it
because I think that I don't think it's slipped out.
I think he's just he did it and he didn't
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think anything was gonna happen, did he really? I mean,
we're in the world and I know you brought up
cancer culture, all right, and people always run to that
as no matter what happens. But Andy, I don't. I
don't subscribe to that. And what I'm talking about. If
someone is offensive to me or my people or people
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I care about, I'm not gonna support them. So you
can say cancel. I'm not if a store or a person,
I'm not gonna watch your movies. I'm not gonna buy
your tickets, I'm not And I don't. And I think
that that's fair game when it's my money and I
get to determine how I want to spend it. Why
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would I spend money on something that treats me or
my people in a negative way? Right? And that's what
That's what it comes down to. So when people always ah,
here we go, not they're gonna cancel them? No, no,
no, no no no. You gotta be careful when you represent
an organization or company, right, Andy, you represent Fox sports
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radio every day because you work on these airways, right,
So do I. I can't go into a sports bar
at one o'clock in the morning and I'm not on
Fox Sports Radio and throw out anti Semitic comments, can
I No? And I can't walk in through a sports
but I wouldn't wear slot stick a T shirt exactly,
not ever. This is but this is the point. But
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the funny thing is that now when someone says something
like that, you have the flip process that maybe these
guys are racist in and end, you know what I'm saying, Like,
now you have a different look and a different view
towards Jack Morris. You know, if he hates Asians, he
may hate Blacks, he may hate Jews, hate he made everybody.
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He may just be one of those guys. Really, And
that's what happens when those stuff, when that stuff comes
out of your mouth, because people look at it and
this is a different world. I mean, I'm saying this
and some people might laugh, but they took Uncle Ben
and at Jemima off the off the food boxes. Andy,
do you know what I mean? Seriously, we we we
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all ate from those boxes forever, Andy, right and accepted it.
We don't accept that stuff anymore because it's a stereotype
exactly and now stereotyped right. And what he did to show, Hey,
ol Tani, who's one of the greatest players in the
game today. Did he deserve that? Why? Why him? Why
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did he deserve that? What did he do? You know
why he did? Got it because he's Asian, That's why
he got it. He wouldn't make that voice if it
was Miguel Cabrera at the plate. Right about this, we
would don Ricklesby today. He wouldn't have a career, would he. No,
he wouldn't. Guys like that wouldn't be around. But things
have changed, and I'm sorry. I think companies have a
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right to put people who represent them. And I'm gonna
give you a story. Andy, you might remember this. And
do you remember Anita Bryant was the representative for Tropicana
orange juice. Do you remember that? No, Anita brian this
is in the seventies. Everybody says everything's now politically correct
and cancel culture. And she gave a speech in public
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denouncing gay people, and Tropicana dropped her. And they want
to sell orange juice to everybody, right, they don't want
anybody to not want to buy orange juice because of
And people were like, well, she was on her own time.
Nor when you work for other people, you represent them
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all the time. There's no off time. So when Jack
Morris said that, that wasn't That wasn't Jack Morris in
his backyard talking to his uncle and cousins. That was
Jack Morris representing Bally Sports, Detroit, the Detroit Tigers, all
the players, right, and the people of Detroit watch in
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the game. You mentioned when you work for someone, and
I agree with you, but let's go one step further,
and you were involved with this when you were in Cincinnati.
What happens when the owner of the team March shot
has the same feelings and what he called Eric Davis
a million dollars in word right, think and she's the owner, okay,
it's not someone who works for someone that represents the organization.
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She is to face or was the face of the organization,
and it cost her her team, just like it cost
Donald Sterling his team. He was forced. God knows he
made out because he sold a team for two billion dollars,
but he was forced. And remember that was a private
conversation that was taped. Andy that went public. So so
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Jack Morris made a huge mistake. He's indefinitely suspended by
Bally Sports Detroit. I don't believe he'll be back the
rest of his season and depending on his contract status. Andy,
you know how this works. If you're in the last
year of a contract because he keep for them to
let you go, And if you got two or three
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years guaranteed and they gotta pay you, they might try
to massage your image and try to bring you back
because they don't want to give you all that money.
But if they get another they bail, right, if they'll
just have to eat the contract, you're right, and they'll
say he went to training, you know. But you know,
I don't know. I don't know what training does. If
you're inbreded, if that's inbreddit in you that you feel
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that way as the first step comes out of your
mouth when you see someone who doesn't look like you,
that's not good, not at all. Thanks for listening to
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you can reach him on Twitter at sports Law lust Lust. Dan,
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Welcome to the Odd Couple. How are you my pleasure
to join you guys, and let's just say it, there's
a lot of a lot of stuff buzzing in the
sports blow world, so always always happy to join the show. Yes,
a lot is buzzing. And we found out some news
that the FBI is investigating DeShawn Watson. There's all kinds
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of stuff out there. Can you just give us an
update on what you know uh is going on right now? Yeah. So,
as a little bit of a we'll say swirling reports,
the FBI actually is involved in the Watson case superiod
uppecially in two facets. So number one, they have spoke
to Deshaun Watson. Now that is not in a context
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elast as far as I'm aware, when they are investigating
him for some type of federal crime. The context that
they spoke to him was actually one of the alleged
accusers for potentially extorting him. So when Rusty Harden in
his news conference said, you know, we I allowed my
client to speak to the FBI, we have nothing to hide,
he was talking about a context in which Deshaun Watson
is essentially the victim, right, he was the elite at
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least the alleging that he was the target of an
extortion plot. Now what we kind of learned from this
news conference and rescue Harden. You know, sometimes he has
this problem of kind of talking out loud and kind
of giving us a stream of consciousness, and just kind
of a quote from him today, he goes, I didn't
know about that until yesterday and then I checked it out,
and it's true they are. And what is he talking about.
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He's talking about the fact that the FBI is also
separately has opened up a separate file in which they
are investigating to Shaun Watson for a federal crime. And
as part of that second file that they've actually spoken
to Tony Buzzby, who represents all twenty plus of these
civil accusers. So just so everyone's clear, everyone's keeping score
two separate federal files that appear to be open here. Now, Dan,
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let me just follow up, and then Andy you can
jump in. Is this the would the federal government be
involved in the trafficking part of this? And people need
to understand when people think of human trafficking, they're thinking
of smuggling young girls in from Venezuela or something that's
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not If you if you make an arrangement for somebody,
they come pay for their ticket to come or come
across state lines and they come to give you a massage,
and then it wounds up that you have an ulterior
motive of sex instead, that that could be trafficking. Am
I right, Dan or not? Yeah? I listened to you
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guys do an interview on this recently. That's that's essentially
if the SCI is going to get involved when there's
some form of interstate travel, right, and here the allegation
some of these women were from the same state as
as just Sean, but other ones were, you know, being
brought in from elsewhere. So that's why the federal government
might get involved. But just because the federal government is
poking around, I think it's important to know we still
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have no criminal charges at a state or a federal level.
To the extent that the federal government wants to pop
in more often than that that will preempt a state investigation. So,
as far as we can tell, the state in the
Harris County ba's office is still working on this. So
I don't think there's any vacation that federal charges are imminent,
but I do think state criminal charges are are very
close here with these grand jury reports coming in. Dan
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lust Rusty Harden. Deshawn's attorney said that Deshaun Watson has
not spoken to the NFL is part of its investigation
into the lawsuits. I got to ask you, why is that.
Why has the NFL gotten involved, Well, the NFL has
been speaking to these alleged accusers. I don't you know.
I think ideally, if you're running an investigation, you would
have spoke to DeShawn Watson first. You would have gotten
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the kind of versions from these. However, many victims you can,
alleged victims you can speak to, and then you bring
DeShawn Watson back and you try to catch him in
a lie. Right, Hey, you said this, but she said this, right,
And you try to bring him back in and you
try to kind of almost like a cross examination. Under
the NFL's protocol, Deshaun Watson doesn't really have to come in, right,
there's no subpoena power, he doesn't have to be there.
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But the NFL can issue and put him on the
commissioner's example list if he's not going to kind of
defend himself. But for whatever reason, and I can't really
speak to the wisdom of it, I'm not really sure.
Over in Major League Baseball, Rob Manford has put Trevor
Bauer on the administrative leieve list, which is essentially the
same thing as the commission example list is paid leave
again with Trevor Bauer, which you know, maybe we'll guys,
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we'll get into if there's time. It's a civil there
there's no no civil lossus, no criminal lawsuits. Trevor bauers
off the field. DeShawn Watson has not defended himself, um,
similar to the Trevor Bawer hasn't spoke to the league. Um.
But Deshaun Watson is not on any type of you know,
disciplinary list by any way, shape or form. If there
was a game tomorrow, Deshaun Watson could play. So seeing
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a little bit of mixed messaging across our sports landscape here,
let let's ask you about the Trevor Bauer thing, because, um,
the whole thing, I get it, you know, like you're
investigating it. And the woman, the first woman didn't even
call the police or anything, you know what I mean,
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she went to the hospital and and right by law,
if somebody comes in in shape like that, right, uh, Dan,
the hospitals required by law to call law enforcement to
say somebody came in and they don't explain what happened
to them, and they're beat up or they're bruised. In
Trevor Bower's case, even if there are no charges, could
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he be damaged enough to where somebody wouldn't want to
have him on their team. Yeah, So I guess a
little bit of a context. And I've been following this
case very closely. I've been looking at all all the
reports coming in from what's going over in California. But
here's a long and short right this is a proceeding
right now. It's not a criminal case. It's not a
civil lawsuit. It's an order for a temporary restraining order, which,
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if anybody knows what a training order is and robbed
to your point, it's going to require some type of
threat of future harm or training orders to prevent something
in the future from happening. So, at least as far
as I've seen from the medical testimony that's come out,
maybe there was some indication of injuries, but there didn't
seem to be any indication on the medical records that
there was some type of fear of future harm. Right
and there's no seeing a call to the police department
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within twenty four forty eight seventy two hours. It's really
I think there was some conversation with the police. But
this restraining order is not applied for until this declaration,
until June twenty eighth. So the first incident, which is
you know, apparently consentral incident and they wanted to meet
up again, but first one is in mid May, the
second one or first one to mid April, second ones
in mid May, and the restraining order is not applied
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for until the end of June. So when it comes to,
you know, whether there was true a future threat of harm,
I'm not sure she meets that criteria. We'll see. But
you know, here's the thing. Crimes doesn't worry about what
could happen in the future. Crimes like you guys watch
Cold Case, I'm sure it matters what happens in the past.
So even if Trevor Bauer beats this restraining order, there's
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still a world where he gets charged criminally. And then
beyond all of this, guys, major League Baseball is watching
every single word that comes out. I still think there's
a really good chance, you know that Bauer is has
played as last inning with the Los Ange DODGECT. I
really I really think the allegations are at that point.
I'm with you on that he might go somewhere else
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and get a chance, but I don't think he'll pitch
for the Dodgers. Again. Go ahead, Andy Dan, Let's continue
with this Trevor Bower situation. Because his team, his law team,
is claiming that it was consensual sex that he had
with these women. And when Trevor Bower played in Cincinnati,
and I live in the Cincinnati area, there was no
report whatsoever. They checked, there was no report, and one
of the woman was from Cincinnati, and there was no
report whatsoever of anything any crime or any situation in
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Cincinnati with Trevor Bauer and any woman here. So would
the consensual sex situation stand up in a courtroom? You know,
it's it's tough, like, here's the thing, and I don't
you know, it's kind of graphic, but you know, it's
it's a big case. You kind of have to get
into the sexual assault case. Here's the issue, right, if
there was a contract between two people, and I'm just
giving your hypothetical, and someone says, hey, I signed this contract,
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I agreed to murder this other person, that's an illegal contract.
Even if you went through with it, and you say, hey,
this guy signed a contract. It's illegal. You can't do it.
Seem why drug dealers can't go to the cops because
it's illegal to sell drugs. So you're saying, hey, those
guys stole my drugs, right right, those guys right doesn't
It doesn't matter that you have a contract that they're
just an illegal contract. So here's here's where it gets
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a little messy. And I'm not going to get into
the heavy stuff, but you know, there are certain uh
you know, certain acts that you can consent to in
a bedroom that you that a court will not view
as being legal consent. One of them is when you
were rendered unconscious. Even if hypothetically you told someone, hey, uh,
not be unconscious and then do whatever you want to me,
the law says that that person can't still be giving
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you consent while they're unconscious because they need to be
able to withdraw the consent, and if they're unconscious, they
can't withdraw the consent because they're not unconscious. So so
that's where it gets a little messy. She's alleging that
something occurred and was continuing to cur whals she was
unconscious and if that's really the case, I was going
to have a hard time defending that. And the problem is,
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you know, this cross exam was pretty good today. I'm
not sure, you know. Uh, it's it's a he said,
she said type deal, similar to Deshaun Watson. There are
only two witnesses to this incident. It's Trevor Bauer, who's
you know, invoking his right to remain silent. He's not
going to say anything, understand, And it's this, you know,
the accuser, who's been you know, kind of uh, you know,
she's she's having her credibility attack. So it's to the
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extent that daa's office believes her version of events there
certainly could be a charge here because legally, again, you
cannot consent to certain things while you're unconscious. Hey, let
me let me let we'll we'll end on this, Dan
and great information, I always say, and and stop me
if I'm wrong. It's like you join a fraternity, right,
you know that they're going to haze you, and you
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sign up for hazing. Doesn't mean they can kill you,
right right, I mean that's that's really what you get
to here. And I think you know, on a on
a baseball level. If you guys are following this, there's
been some kind of messy allegations that have brought up,
like her dating history. She dated Fernando Tattiques for a
period of time, and Mike Clevenger that those names are
popping up. You know, I think there's an element of
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this case that is, uh, you know, Trevor Bower's team
really trying to attack her credibility, bringing up these skeletons
in her closet, ex boyfriends and whatnot. And we'll see
you give you give her a lot of credit for
standing up and coming forward with these allegations. And listen,
this this case is by no means over. This is
going to go on for a couple more weeks. Major
League Baseball's investigations going on, and the guys, the one
that's really hurt from this from a sports standpoint, the
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Los Angeles Dodgers. They're they're paying the full thirty million
this year, the guys ought one hundred million over three years.
They can't seek relief under that contract until there's some
type of you know, investigation and punishment level levied by Baseball,
and that doesn't appear to be coming anytime soon. So
you know if your Dodgers fan, just hang tight, but
this case is not going away so quick, all right,
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Dan Loss, the sports attorney man, great information, very clear
that we could understand. I loved it. Thank you so
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You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brusso and Rod Harker. And let's start Andy with football.
Let's start there. And there was a list that came
out that I want to pull up and we can
go over that about them, you know, the top player,
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the top quarterbacks in the league. And the list was
top thirty players, I should say over thirty. That was
the list, and that came from NFL dot com. And
the list at Aaron Rodgers was higher than Brady. Let
me give you the top four in this list. Okay, okay,
Aaron Donald, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, and Russell Wilson. I'm
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just giving you the top four. And it's just the list.
Remember the top thirty over thirty years old. And a
lot of people on me eyebrows raised. I'm sure yours
did a little bit because Tom Brady wasn't on the
top of that list because he's not even over thirty,
he's over forty, he's almost fifty, you know what I mean?
But yeah, where do you make it? What do you
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make up this list? And do you think Tom Brady
deserves to be in the top five? This list is
a forest because when you called the guy the goat,
tow can he not being number one in the list?
That's it's easy as that, it really is. Look, Aaron
Rodgers is greatly, He's always going to be in the
shadow of Tom Brady for what tom Brady has done,
what he's accomplished with the players that he's had on
his side. I mean, really, a truly, here's a guy
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come on a sixth round draft pick and he's become
How could you not have him number one? And again
he's called the goat? How could he not be never
one in the list? How could he be the goat?
If Eli Manning beat him twice in the Super Bowl?
I'm still trying to figure that out. Can you help me? Yeah,
because he's got six rings, that's why did he get
all six? Or did the defense help him? As in
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Patrick Mahomes not scoring any points in the Super Bowl,
as in the Saint Louis Rams, who were the greatest
show on turping, held the thirteen points in a Super Bowl.
How about the Falcons were up twenty eight to three
and didn't score in the second half of that Super Bowl?
How about the Rams a few years ago? La Rams
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had the fifth greatest offense in the history of the NFL,
and they only were able to manage three points in
a and that was on an eighty nine yard field goal.
I mean, let's not oversell the Brady And I'll tell
you this, and no, you're right, But I tell you what,
that's the fallacy of this because I'm glad you got
that for me, I really am. I'll tell you why
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because when you see games promoted on TV, it's always
the quarterback versus the other quarterback. They don't talk about
anything else any The same thing in hockey is goalkeeper
against goalkeeper. You know, It's like if you see a
game on TV, the Dallas against New England, it's gonna
be the quarterback versus quarterback, Prescott versus Brady, no one else,
no one else counts. And they always because the one
lost record of the quarterbacks it's crazy. It really is. No,
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it is, and that's how we operate, and we always
are putting it out there. But I think if you
would to just take away take away the Super Bowls,
if if can we can see take away the Super
Bowls and say that they're a team achieved entity of
your career? Can can we agree with that? Andy? Follow me? Well,
take away to super Go ahead? Okay, okay, we take
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away to Super Bowls and just talk about the player's ability,
what they do on the field, and who's the best.
I don't even think it's close that Aaron Rodgers has
a better skill set and is a better quarterback than
Tom Brady. Tom Brady is the most accomplished quarterback. But
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I don't think anybody, given all things equal, Andy, would
pick Tom Brady over Aaron Rodgers on any given Sunday,
any Wednesday. You agree with that. I agree with that,
And you're right, maybe accomplished is the key word here,
the accomplished quarterback. You know, what Brady has accomplished is tremendous,
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you know, and he did it with a group of
great players and a tremendous coach. You know, Aaron Rodgers
may be the better skill set quarterback, but he has
not reached the pinnacle and accomplished what Tom Brady has accomplished.
There's no doubt. And that's why I say, and I'm
not to say that Aaron's not to blame at all,
but you know, Andy, over the years, the practice have
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gone in with subpart defenses, and the Patriots have had
great defenses, top five defenses. Right. Even the year that
the Patriots were eighteen and oh right and wound up
losing to Eli Manning and the Giants, you know, they
had a great defense. They've always had a great defense,
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except for that one time that they played Philadelphia and
they got lit up for what four hundred and fifty
yards or whatever it was from Nick Foles. But for
the most part, the defense has always been there. And
he has a great coach. And I think that Tom
Brady gets way too much credit. This is not only
a Tom Brady thing. How about Aaron Donald as being
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number one you think I think it's tremendous that even
looked at a defensive player. You know, normally this all offense,
and they gave him a defensive player, which is great.
He might be one of the better defensive players if
not the best of all time. Tremendous player. He really is.
But I want to go back to this By Brady
situation with Aaron Rodgers. I mean, yeah, I mean it
doesn't make a difference, you know, if one has a
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better skill set. I think it's all in the minds
of what have you accomplished, And yes, Tom Brady has
accomplished more than Aaron Rodgers. Good bidder and different defenses,
team players, personnel, whatever it may be, Tom Brady has
accomplished more. End of story, you know, And I would
ask you, I would go in a different direction in sports,
I would go who is the greatest in basketball? And
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my take has always been Wild Chamberlain the most dominant
player ever to play the game in the NBA. But
Bill Russell accomplished more than Wild Chamberlain ever did. When
you have ten championships in twelve years or eleven and
thirteen something like that and Chamberlain one two. But still
I think Chamberlain was the most dominant player ever to
play the game. I get that, but I think winning
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also factors in. And I understand where you are. But
here's the part that I think is always negated. And
I don't know why because it's not done with all players.
They have a scarlet letter. They always get painted with
that brush. About the cheating scandal, Tom Brady was suspended
for four games when he was busted cheating. The Patriots
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were fined heavily the coach for cheating a gate. How
come that? How come that doesn't factor in? Why do
you give Tom Brady a pass? Who who's helped by
knowing the defensive signals? Does Tom Brady get an edge
if he knows what defense they're playing? He certainly does.
But look, I mean you're looking at something that's still
picking you. And I mean the four games that he's
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spent on the bench because of the air and the football.
I mean, that to me was a joke. It was
a joke. It really was. You think that really affected
his play? The air in the football? I mean, come on,
there would change, but no, it's about there's a reason
that there are air specifications on the four Green Okay, change,
but changed from city to city. You know, tires contract
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and expand in heat and cold, and in the same thing.
When a football game is played in the South, or
play perhaps in Chicago, it's different to pull away differently.
I get that. But I'm just saying there's a reason
those rules were on the books. And if you remember
that team that year, they I don't know if they
lost a fumble all year or they had one fumble.
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And you know this, Andy, A softball is harder, it's
easier to hold on to than one that's slick, yes
or no. Okay, So those there are reasons why. And
don't forget. The other thing is when a team goes
in on offense, their ball is sent in from the sidelines. Right.
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It's not the same. It's not like basketball. There's not
a Lakers ball. When they're on offense, they called time
out and then when the nets are going down the
other way, they give them their ball. There's no such thing.
And football maybe to stop that is that there should
probably be just one football, do you know what I mean?
Because that that that's where the that that's the only
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part that I think when you talk talk about Brady
and accomplishments, those are thrown out the window. I get
the Aaron Donald, I get the defense. What a disruptor
he is? What? But you're picking on things that look,
I understand they broke the rules. I get that, but
you might as well, throw in the fact that they
play in a week of conference, right, I mean, I mean,
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they got six wins every year before they throw that
into I mean, if you want to throw it in
and put that on on, the weight on the scale
against Tom Brady is fine. The teams that they play,
come on, I mean the Jets and at the time
Buffalo was terrible as well Miami, right, and they were
bad teams. So throw that in there too. But you
know what, also, given the fact that they're playing in
a real rough climate, playing in New England and November's rough,
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no doubt. What about I think Russell Wilson should be
ahead of Tom Brady. I think, Oh my goodness, no,
I do. And I'm talking about you. Gotta remember tom
Brady's in his forties now. He had a good season
if you looked at it, a lot of those stats
at the end, and he just go look at who
they played. He feasted on some really bad teams, struggled
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in the middle of the year against better teams. Remember
the Chicago game that they biss I mean, but that's
a good defense. He's struggled again against the Packers. Yet
three picks in the second half most guys never get
close to that of winning a game like that when
he plays so poorly in the second half, but they
were able to survive it. My point is, I don't
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have a problem with Aaron Rodgers being ahead of Tom Brady.
And I'm just saying, for my money, I would put
Russell Wilson ahead of Tom Brady as well at this point,
well maybe at this point at his age, the age difference,
obviously he's a major factor. But then again, I think
you're just making You're just picking here, and I mean
I would tell you this poll, I don't know who
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picked the poll, and it was the NFL dot Com
right right. However, if you were to pick personnel people
in the NFL Hall of Fame voters in the NFL,
it would pick Tom Brady, you know, for whatever the means.
I don't think that's the case. I do. I think
if you would, like I said, you stripped down everything
and say which quarterback did you see Aaron Rodgers last
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year at thirty seven in the season he put up
I mean he was old too, I mean he hit
a great year. I mean I think Drew Brees is
a great quarterback. He's not even listed in the year
he's not well, he's retired now, so I mean but
still right. But I'm talking about Aaron Rodgers. Last season
was as good of a season only only one other
year when he won the MVP he had a higher
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um quarterback rating. But other than that, he lit up everything.
He was spectacular at age thirty seven. And I can
understand why Tom Brady played well, but a lot of
those numbers came were soft numbers. You know what's bad,
and I'm agreeing with you, but I'm gonna put a
bow on this right now. You know what the bow
is and you know it as well as anybody else.
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So all about championships and rings, that's all. That's what
it's all about. I o'kay, who you play. You can't
control who you play on your schedule. The stats here,
maybe he had some garbage time stats. Note that about that.
But at the end of the day, look at the
trophy case in Aaron Rodgers house. I look at the
trophy case in Tom Brady's well, But this is if
if this was just about trophies, then I give it
to you. But it's not. It's about who's the top
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It's great to have you in on a day when
we're talking baseball, especially because you're living Cincinnati, one of
the all time great baseball cities. I'm very fortunate, Andy
that in my thirty five year career, I've worked in
nothing but great baseball towns. I worked in New York,
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I worked in Cincinnati, I worked in Detroit, and I
worked and I worked in Los Angeles. All great baseball towns.
And which one was the best? The best? You know
what I'm going to say. I called Saint Louis the
baseball capital of the United States, so Saint Louis number.
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I didn't work there, but I would say Cincinnati, Detroit.
The difference between New York and LA is that they
split allegiances, and I think that makes it a little different,
even though they're great baseball towns. But I'm gonna pick Cincinnati.
It's a holiday. They love the Reds. Yeah, they really do.
I tell you what, I find it very interesting when
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you look at sports, the old landscape of sports, how
certain cities kind of gravitate to certain sports. You look
at Pittsburgh, it's all football. They can't they can't get
a dime of a fan in the stadium. And it's
for baseball. It can't get anybody got a beautiful stadium.
Now they really do. I mean, it's just funny how
some cities just do that. And then Saint Louis couldn't
support a football team but baseball and two football teams.
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I think about that, Andy, But they got forty five
thousand for a Wednesday afternoon game. They draw three million
every year, without question. They are Cardinals and Blues fans.
But let's stick to baseball, Andy. That's why it up
because I want to talk about this Jack Morris situation.
Jack Morris, of course a broadcaster for the Detroit Tigers
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on Ballet Sports Detroit, the Hall of Famery, pitch for
the Tigers for twelve thirteen years, also was a big
stud postseason picture with the Minnesota Twins, and he was
trying to be funny. I guess I just don't understand
why guys keep doing this to themselves. Andy, But he
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was suspended indefinitely for his racist comment when Shohei Otani
was about to come up. Let's take a listen. I
think we have the sound. Let's take a listen to
what he said last night on the broadcast. Now, what
do you do with shoe Otani? He's very better careful. Well, folks,
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Shohei otanis coming to the plate, and it's been brought
to my attention. And I surely apologize if I offended anybody,
actually anybody in the Asian community for what I said
about pitching and being careful to show hey Otani. I
did not intend for any offensive thing, and I apologize
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if I did. Certainly respect and have the utmost respect
for this guy. Don't blame a pitcher for walking. It
was offensive. He was he was acting or giving a
Japanese or Asian person right, trying to be like funny.
So he did that voice, and of course shame on.
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All the people ran to his defense, Andy, and the
first thing they said was he was imitating Elmer Fudd,
And I was like Elmer Fudd. First of all, Alma
Fudd doesn't even say that. Okay, Alma Fudd says, be
very very quiet, I'm hunting rabbits. Okay, So he didn't
say that. Be very careful has nothing to what Elma.
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And it happened with Joho Tani coming up and you know, Andy,
when you heard it, what did you think? I'd love
to hear your take? I shook my head and I say,
why why would you do that? Why would you go there?
And after so many things have happened, and then since
Thenai Wheld was at the anniversary here of a year
ago when Tom Brennman said something that was very detrimental
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and he got the axe. He did and he wasn't
It was quick, it really was, and his wasn't even
on the broadcast. It was like it was a hot
mid Right. It's just crazy. And look, I'm not saying good,
better and different. I'm not saying that maybe this canceled
culture is crazy. You can't do that. You can't insult people.
You just don't do things like that. And you don't
come back and say if I insulted you, well you
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did well, you might insult them, you know, don't, don't
give it if I insult, well, you know you did,
and you know you were wrong. But the point is
that are you that stupid after you've seen so many
people go down the tubes and flames after doing that,
you went ahead and did it. But my question is this,
Will he come back? He's a favorite son of Detroit.
Jack Morris is and he says suspended. Now with Tom Brenneman,
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he was boomed out, You're out of here. Fox Sports
did it on football. He's gone, the Citcinnati reds with
Ballet Sports, he's gone. And it doesn't look like he's
coming back now. Well, Jack Morris come back? Was Is
there a Is there a stringent rule for each guy?
Or everybody gets their own deal? I mean it's like
if I rob a bank in Minnesota, is the same
as robbing a bank in New York? Do I get
(17:27):
a week in jail in Minnesota or thirty years in
jail in New York? I mean, it's gotta be the
same everybody, right, But it's not. Don't you remember Bob
Brendley made a joke about Marcus Stroman's do rag that
he was wearing. Do you remember that, Andy, Yes? And
he said, oh, that looks like the do rag Tom
Seaver used to wear right, which is basically, he was
(17:48):
making fun of something that black people wear for their hair,
and he was he had to get sensitivity treatment. They
claim that he stepped aside even though you know what
I mean, They didn't want to embats him. And I
think he's coming back or came back to the broadcast.
It's different for different people. And Tom brennaman when you
say it, it wasn't on the broadcast. It was a
(18:10):
hot mic. And his dad is a legend, a Hall
of Fame broadcaster and a Cincinnati icon. I know Tom
and Marty from my time there, and both of those
guys are great guys to me. But you can't do
it Andy, Tom knows it. Marty even said it after
I would say this. Jack Morris knew that you can't
(18:31):
do it right. Jack Morris would have been better about
dropping the F bomb than what he said. Really, they
mayn't forgiven for that. Maybe I don't know, but at
least when you say something like that, you're not offending
a group of people. You know people are not happy
to hear that. But at least that he maybe could
squirm out of that one yeah, I just help me
(18:51):
with this. Andy. I think you know you said to yourself,
why would you go there? Why would you do it?
You've seen land mind, You've seen all the people who
keep losing their gigs, and Andy, you would think common sense.
Stay off the joke, stay off the ethnics stuff, stay
off the racist humor. Just stop it. Just when in doubt,
(19:15):
don't say it doubt, don't say and you know what,
stay away from religion and politics. Didn't you seek the problem?
I think I think they can't help themselves. I really don't,
because if you could, Andy, you wouldn't do it. I
think they can't help themselves. They think it's funny and
they don't understand that the world has changed. I don't
(19:35):
know if they think they're funny, but I think that
they think that they have such cache that they can
get away with it. Like it's one of those deals
when you get stopped by a cop and you're an athlete.
Do you know who I am? Deal? Right? Do you
know how? Tony Larus has said, yeah, do you know
who I am? You know? No? I don't. I really don't.
So Jack Mars feels like, well, I could do it.
I'm a guard in Detroit, and I could say it
because I think that I don't think it's slipped out.
I think he's just he did it and he didn't
(19:57):
think anything was gonna happen, did he really? I mean,
we're in the world and I know you brought up
cancer culture, all right, and people always run to that
as no matter what happens. But Andy, I don't. I
don't subscribe to that. And what I'm talking about. If
someone is offensive to me or my people or people
(20:20):
I care about, I'm not gonna support them. So you
can say cancel. I'm not if a store or a person,
I'm not gonna watch your movies. I'm not gonna buy
your tickets, I'm not And I don't. And I think
that that's fair game when it's my money and I
get to determine how I want to spend it. Why
(20:41):
would I spend money on something that treats me or
my people in a negative way? Right? And that's what
That's what it comes down to. So when people always ah,
here we go, not they're gonna cancel them? No, no,
no, no no no. You gotta be careful when you represent
an organization or company, right, Andy, you represent Fox sports
(21:05):
radio every day because you work on these airways, right,
So do I. I can't go into a sports bar
at one o'clock in the morning and I'm not on
Fox Sports Radio and throw out anti Semitic comments, can
I No? And I can't walk in through a sports
but I wouldn't wear slot stick a T shirt exactly,
not ever. This is but this is the point. But
(21:27):
the funny thing is that now when someone says something
like that, you have the flip process that maybe these
guys are racist in and end, you know what I'm saying, Like,
now you have a different look and a different view
towards Jack Morris. You know, if he hates Asians, he
may hate Blacks, he may hate Jews, hate he made everybody.
(21:48):
He may just be one of those guys. Really, And
that's what happens when those stuff, when that stuff comes
out of your mouth, because people look at it and
this is a different world. I mean, I'm saying this
and some people might laugh, but they took Uncle Ben
and at Jemima off the off the food boxes. Andy,
do you know what I mean? Seriously, we we we
(22:11):
all ate from those boxes forever, Andy, right and accepted it.
We don't accept that stuff anymore because it's a stereotype
exactly and now stereotyped right. And what he did to show, Hey,
ol Tani, who's one of the greatest players in the
game today. Did he deserve that? Why? Why him? Why
(22:32):
did he deserve that? What did he do? You know
why he did? Got it because he's Asian, That's why
he got it. He wouldn't make that voice if it
was Miguel Cabrera at the plate. Right about this, we
would don Ricklesby today. He wouldn't have a career, would he. No,
he wouldn't. Guys like that wouldn't be around. But things
have changed, and I'm sorry. I think companies have a
(22:55):
right to put people who represent them. And I'm gonna
give you a story. Andy, you might remember this. And
do you remember Anita Bryant was the representative for Tropicana
orange juice. Do you remember that? No, Anita brian this
is in the seventies. Everybody says everything's now politically correct
and cancel culture. And she gave a speech in public
(23:19):
denouncing gay people, and Tropicana dropped her. And they want
to sell orange juice to everybody, right, they don't want
anybody to not want to buy orange juice because of
And people were like, well, she was on her own time.
Nor when you work for other people, you represent them
(23:39):
all the time. There's no off time. So when Jack
Morris said that, that wasn't That wasn't Jack Morris in
his backyard talking to his uncle and cousins. That was
Jack Morris representing Bally Sports, Detroit, the Detroit Tigers, all
the players, right, and the people of Detroit watch in
(24:00):
the game. You mentioned when you work for someone, and
I agree with you, but let's go one step further,
and you were involved with this when you were in Cincinnati.
What happens when the owner of the team March shot
has the same feelings and what he called Eric Davis
a million dollars in word right, think and she's the owner, okay,
it's not someone who works for someone that represents the organization.
(24:20):
She is to face or was the face of the organization,
and it cost her her team, just like it cost
Donald Sterling his team. He was forced. God knows he
made out because he sold a team for two billion dollars,
but he was forced. And remember that was a private
conversation that was taped. Andy that went public. So so
(24:42):
Jack Morris made a huge mistake. He's indefinitely suspended by
Bally Sports Detroit. I don't believe he'll be back the
rest of his season and depending on his contract status. Andy,
you know how this works. If you're in the last
year of a contract because he keep for them to
let you go, And if you got two or three
(25:03):
years guaranteed and they gotta pay you, they might try
to massage your image and try to bring you back
because they don't want to give you all that money.
But if they get another they bail, right, if they'll
just have to eat the contract, you're right, and they'll
say he went to training, you know. But you know,
I don't know. I don't know what training does. If
you're inbreded, if that's inbreddit in you that you feel
(25:23):
that way as the first step comes out of your
mouth when you see someone who doesn't look like you,
that's not good, not at all. Thanks for listening to
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let's bring in Dan Lust He's a sports attorney and
you can reach him on Twitter at sports Law lust Lust. Dan,
(26:55):
Welcome to the Odd Couple. How are you my pleasure
to join you guys, and let's just say it, there's
a lot of a lot of stuff buzzing in the
sports blow world, so always always happy to join the show. Yes,
a lot is buzzing. And we found out some news
that the FBI is investigating DeShawn Watson. There's all kinds
(27:16):
of stuff out there. Can you just give us an
update on what you know uh is going on right now? Yeah. So,
as a little bit of a we'll say swirling reports,
the FBI actually is involved in the Watson case superiod
uppecially in two facets. So number one, they have spoke
to Deshaun Watson. Now that is not in a context
(27:36):
elast as far as I'm aware, when they are investigating
him for some type of federal crime. The context that
they spoke to him was actually one of the alleged
accusers for potentially extorting him. So when Rusty Harden in
his news conference said, you know, we I allowed my
client to speak to the FBI, we have nothing to hide,
he was talking about a context in which Deshaun Watson
is essentially the victim, right, he was the elite at
(27:58):
least the alleging that he was the target of an
extortion plot. Now what we kind of learned from this
news conference and rescue Harden. You know, sometimes he has
this problem of kind of talking out loud and kind
of giving us a stream of consciousness, and just kind
of a quote from him today, he goes, I didn't
know about that until yesterday and then I checked it out,
and it's true they are. And what is he talking about.
(28:21):
He's talking about the fact that the FBI is also
separately has opened up a separate file in which they
are investigating to Shaun Watson for a federal crime. And
as part of that second file that they've actually spoken
to Tony Buzzby, who represents all twenty plus of these
civil accusers. So just so everyone's clear, everyone's keeping score
two separate federal files that appear to be open here. Now, Dan,
(28:43):
let me just follow up, and then Andy you can
jump in. Is this the would the federal government be
involved in the trafficking part of this? And people need
to understand when people think of human trafficking, they're thinking
of smuggling young girls in from Venezuela or something that's
(29:04):
not If you if you make an arrangement for somebody,
they come pay for their ticket to come or come
across state lines and they come to give you a massage,
and then it wounds up that you have an ulterior
motive of sex instead, that that could be trafficking. Am
I right, Dan or not? Yeah? I listened to you
(29:26):
guys do an interview on this recently. That's that's essentially
if the SCI is going to get involved when there's
some form of interstate travel, right, and here the allegation
some of these women were from the same state as
as just Sean, but other ones were, you know, being
brought in from elsewhere. So that's why the federal government
might get involved. But just because the federal government is
poking around, I think it's important to know we still
(29:47):
have no criminal charges at a state or a federal level.
To the extent that the federal government wants to pop
in more often than that that will preempt a state investigation. So,
as far as we can tell, the state in the
Harris County ba's office is still working on this. So
I don't think there's any vacation that federal charges are imminent,
but I do think state criminal charges are are very
close here with these grand jury reports coming in. Dan
(30:08):
lust Rusty Harden. Deshawn's attorney said that Deshaun Watson has
not spoken to the NFL is part of its investigation
into the lawsuits. I got to ask you, why is that.
Why has the NFL gotten involved, Well, the NFL has
been speaking to these alleged accusers. I don't you know.
I think ideally, if you're running an investigation, you would
have spoke to DeShawn Watson first. You would have gotten
(30:30):
the kind of versions from these. However, many victims you can,
alleged victims you can speak to, and then you bring
DeShawn Watson back and you try to catch him in
a lie. Right, Hey, you said this, but she said this, right,
And you try to bring him back in and you
try to kind of almost like a cross examination. Under
the NFL's protocol, Deshaun Watson doesn't really have to come in, right,
there's no subpoena power, he doesn't have to be there.
(30:50):
But the NFL can issue and put him on the
commissioner's example list if he's not going to kind of
defend himself. But for whatever reason, and I can't really
speak to the wisdom of it, I'm not really sure.
Over in Major League Baseball, Rob Manford has put Trevor
Bauer on the administrative leieve list, which is essentially the
same thing as the commission example list is paid leave
again with Trevor Bauer, which you know, maybe we'll guys,
(31:11):
we'll get into if there's time. It's a civil there
there's no no civil lossus, no criminal lawsuits. Trevor bauers
off the field. DeShawn Watson has not defended himself, um,
similar to the Trevor Bawer hasn't spoke to the league. Um.
But Deshaun Watson is not on any type of you know,
disciplinary list by any way, shape or form. If there
was a game tomorrow, Deshaun Watson could play. So seeing
(31:32):
a little bit of mixed messaging across our sports landscape here,
let let's ask you about the Trevor Bauer thing, because, um,
the whole thing, I get it, you know, like you're
investigating it. And the woman, the first woman didn't even
call the police or anything, you know what I mean,
(31:52):
she went to the hospital and and right by law,
if somebody comes in in shape like that, right, uh, Dan,
the hospitals required by law to call law enforcement to
say somebody came in and they don't explain what happened
to them, and they're beat up or they're bruised. In
Trevor Bower's case, even if there are no charges, could
(32:15):
he be damaged enough to where somebody wouldn't want to
have him on their team. Yeah, So I guess a
little bit of a context. And I've been following this
case very closely. I've been looking at all all the
reports coming in from what's going over in California. But
here's a long and short right this is a proceeding
right now. It's not a criminal case. It's not a
civil lawsuit. It's an order for a temporary restraining order, which,
(32:39):
if anybody knows what a training order is and robbed
to your point, it's going to require some type of
threat of future harm or training orders to prevent something
in the future from happening. So, at least as far
as I've seen from the medical testimony that's come out,
maybe there was some indication of injuries, but there didn't
seem to be any indication on the medical records that
there was some type of fear of future harm. Right
and there's no seeing a call to the police department
(33:01):
within twenty four forty eight seventy two hours. It's really
I think there was some conversation with the police. But
this restraining order is not applied for until this declaration,
until June twenty eighth. So the first incident, which is
you know, apparently consentral incident and they wanted to meet
up again, but first one is in mid May, the
second one or first one to mid April, second ones
in mid May, and the restraining order is not applied
(33:23):
for until the end of June. So when it comes to,
you know, whether there was true a future threat of harm,
I'm not sure she meets that criteria. We'll see. But
you know, here's the thing. Crimes doesn't worry about what
could happen in the future. Crimes like you guys watch
Cold Case, I'm sure it matters what happens in the past.
So even if Trevor Bauer beats this restraining order, there's
(33:46):
still a world where he gets charged criminally. And then
beyond all of this, guys, major League Baseball is watching
every single word that comes out. I still think there's
a really good chance, you know that Bauer is has
played as last inning with the Los Ange DODGECT. I
really I really think the allegations are at that point.
I'm with you on that he might go somewhere else
(34:06):
and get a chance, but I don't think he'll pitch
for the Dodgers. Again. Go ahead, Andy Dan, Let's continue
with this Trevor Bower situation. Because his team, his law team,
is claiming that it was consensual sex that he had
with these women. And when Trevor Bower played in Cincinnati,
and I live in the Cincinnati area, there was no
report whatsoever. They checked, there was no report, and one
of the woman was from Cincinnati, and there was no
report whatsoever of anything any crime or any situation in
(34:29):
Cincinnati with Trevor Bauer and any woman here. So would
the consensual sex situation stand up in a courtroom? You know,
it's it's tough, like, here's the thing, and I don't
you know, it's kind of graphic, but you know, it's
it's a big case. You kind of have to get
into the sexual assault case. Here's the issue, right, if
there was a contract between two people, and I'm just
giving your hypothetical, and someone says, hey, I signed this contract,
(34:51):
I agreed to murder this other person, that's an illegal contract.
Even if you went through with it, and you say, hey,
this guy signed a contract. It's illegal. You can't do it.
Seem why drug dealers can't go to the cops because
it's illegal to sell drugs. So you're saying, hey, those
guys stole my drugs, right right, those guys right doesn't
It doesn't matter that you have a contract that they're
just an illegal contract. So here's here's where it gets
(35:14):
a little messy. And I'm not going to get into
the heavy stuff, but you know, there are certain uh
you know, certain acts that you can consent to in
a bedroom that you that a court will not view
as being legal consent. One of them is when you
were rendered unconscious. Even if hypothetically you told someone, hey, uh,
not be unconscious and then do whatever you want to me,
the law says that that person can't still be giving
(35:35):
you consent while they're unconscious because they need to be
able to withdraw the consent, and if they're unconscious, they
can't withdraw the consent because they're not unconscious. So so
that's where it gets a little messy. She's alleging that
something occurred and was continuing to cur whals she was
unconscious and if that's really the case, I was going
to have a hard time defending that. And the problem is,
(35:56):
you know, this cross exam was pretty good today. I'm
not sure, you know. Uh, it's it's a he said,
she said type deal, similar to Deshaun Watson. There are
only two witnesses to this incident. It's Trevor Bauer, who's
you know, invoking his right to remain silent. He's not
going to say anything, understand, And it's this, you know,
the accuser, who's been you know, kind of uh, you know,
she's she's having her credibility attack. So it's to the
(36:18):
extent that daa's office believes her version of events there
certainly could be a charge here because legally, again, you
cannot consent to certain things while you're unconscious. Hey, let
me let me let we'll we'll end on this, Dan
and great information, I always say, and and stop me
if I'm wrong. It's like you join a fraternity, right,
you know that they're going to haze you, and you
(36:40):
sign up for hazing. Doesn't mean they can kill you,
right right, I mean that's that's really what you get
to here. And I think you know, on a on
a baseball level. If you guys are following this, there's
been some kind of messy allegations that have brought up,
like her dating history. She dated Fernando Tattiques for a
period of time, and Mike Clevenger that those names are
popping up. You know, I think there's an element of
(37:02):
this case that is, uh, you know, Trevor Bower's team
really trying to attack her credibility, bringing up these skeletons
in her closet, ex boyfriends and whatnot. And we'll see
you give you give her a lot of credit for
standing up and coming forward with these allegations. And listen,
this this case is by no means over. This is
going to go on for a couple more weeks. Major
League Baseball's investigations going on, and the guys, the one
that's really hurt from this from a sports standpoint, the
(37:23):
Los Angeles Dodgers. They're they're paying the full thirty million
this year, the guys ought one hundred million over three years.
They can't seek relief under that contract until there's some
type of you know, investigation and punishment level levied by Baseball,
and that doesn't appear to be coming anytime soon. So
you know if your Dodgers fan, just hang tight, but
this case is not going away so quick, all right,
(37:44):
Dan Loss, the sports attorney man, great information, very clear
that we could understand. I loved it. Thank you so
much for joining The Odd Couple here on Fox Sports Radio.
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