October 11, 2021 • 30 mins
Chris and Rob react to the breaking news that Jon Gruden has resigned as the head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders after his latest batch of derogatory e-mails were released to the public, and discuss the Kansas City Chiefs' struggles so far this season and debate whether or not Patrick Mahomes is playing like even a top 5 NFL quarterback right now. Plus, NFL Network analyst and FOX Sports Radio weekend host Bucky Brooks swings by to discuss why he has Justin Herbert as the QB1 right now, what's gone wrong for Mahomes recently, and much more!
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Cup Off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. John Gruden, Yeah,
is his situation in Las Vegas, which was already looking
like it was gonna be bad with the racially insensitive
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comments about de Morris Smith, which were disrespectful to African
American people, it's gotten worse. Mark Davis, the owner for
the Raiders, had emails from that were sent in by
it from the league, rob uh And they're not from
two thousand and eleven anymore. Some of them may still be,
but a lot of them are from twenty eighteen. And
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in those emails there were terms derogatory terms towards homosexuals.
He really called Roger Goodell several names, including as you said,
Rob the F word, called him clueless, called him anti football, um,
talked about Eric Reid, who obviously was a player who
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was involved heavily in the protest during the national anthem,
say he should be fired. That's something that probably you know,
it's not gonna sit well. Sounds like there's more breaking news,
breaking news from Fox Sports. Well, the stories coming from
Tom Pella Sero with NFL Network, but saying that the
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Raiders and John Gruden are going to be parting way Wow,
saying that it is over courses off of the emails
that are stemming from the NFL investigation into the Washington
football team and that's where these emails came from to
go to the NFL. And interesting that coming out of
all this. Daniel Snyder, no charges, nothing there, but John
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Gruden is going to be out as the Raider's head coaching. Chris,
not something that you know that, Daniel Snyder. Yeah, but
you never know what you might uncover. And Chris, this
is not what did I just say to Rod? I
just told Rod he's done. And you know why I
said that, because you can't clean up all of that. Chris,
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You know, like this too much to you can't make
an excuse for every term you use and what you
said about the commissioner and what you said about the
gay players, and what you said about the female referees
and what you said about how can you clean up
after those emails came out. You can't clean all of
that up. You could have made an excuse about about
the union chief, right and say, hey, I didn't meet
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it in that light. You got four or five things
to clean up. You can't clean them all up. Yeah,
he was anti player protests when the league was talking
about getting supportive of that and the players. Remember, the
players came out with the video and all that, So
this was viewed as antagonistic towards that. So yeah, at
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this point, Robbie, it's not it's not that surprising. And
I would say, look, learn, let's learn lessons number one.
As I said last segment, Rob, we're all not going
to agree on everything, and we don't all have to
agree on everything. And I think that's the lesson the
world is right, that's the lesson. That's the lesson that
we need to learn. Let people disagree, but we can
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disagree respectfully, and that's how it has to be. And
then secondly, Rob, watch what your email and text people.
You can't be careless, you know, and be careful. And
I'm gonna say bravo to the Las Vegas Raiders. This
was their dream coach, Chris. They gave them an unprecedented
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hundred million dollars, ten year guaranteed contract to a coach,
never been done before. Rob Gruden is resigning. They're saying,
which is is a big that's different than firing, So
we don't have to pay those situations. Gonna be right, right,
when you're reine, you don't get paid, right, there'll be right.
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I wonder was there some type of buyout. No, but
but this is what my point, Chris and I give
the Raiders credit. Their organization, built by Al Davis, has
had a history of inclusion the whole time. First Hispanic
head coach, Tom Flores, right, Art Shell, Chris, the first
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black head coach, right, and then what you said, you
negative in executive in the front office. So the stuff
that Gruden was saying doesn't go with their organization. That's
why I knew he couldn't fit. He doesn't fit with
who the Raiders are. I know they're bad, black and
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Silver and all those crazy fans, but they've always had
a consciousness about including everybody. You gotta give the Raiders that,
and I applaud them for saying, you don't fit here.
This is not who we are. I don't know that
any team could have kept him, Rob probably, I don't
know that any team could have kept him. You know,
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just with you mentioned it and he disparaged. You know,
we talked about it a league to seventy percent African American.
You already disrespected African Americans with the email about the
Morris Smith right now. You don't really care about the
protest and what they were all about, right, you think
that's foolishness. Apparently the commission then, like you said, the
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commissioner too. I mean, the commissioner had to be like yo, dude,
like you know, and then you know, he's got Carl
Nassi who came out as a homosexual player. That's one
of his defensive lineman who's actually played well for them,
and so he's in that locker room too. So yeah, again,
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when I saw the story from the New York Times
with a lot of the you know things that had
come out in those emails. Uh, the New York Times, man,
they do great journalism. And you know if you get
you read something in the New York Times, you know
a serius Oh, yeah, I mean, am I right? You
got stall of stuff that's happened in your in your
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career writing for that paper. That's the that's the pillar
of journalism. It's argument the best newspaper in the world
and the world, And you're right, it was a it
was an honor to work for them. And I had
a ball there. I had a ball in my six
years at the New York Times. But yeah, Rob, this
is this situation, Rob gee, who's taken over? Who they
say is the interim That has not been announced yet,
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But Adam Schefter has tweeted a little more context too.
It's according to him, Mark Davis arrived to the team
facility a couple of hours ago and went directly to
find John Gruden. The two men met, and Gruden decided
then that he would be resigning as the coach. I wonder,
I probably wonder what the financial settlement will be. I
bet you did some sort of payout number. But he's
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not gonna get sixty No no, no, no, no, no
no no, no, Rob. What did you got as a
Raiders fan? I mean, you know your whole team has
just gotten blown up, you know, like you started out
three and old, look like this is going to be
the year you lose a couple bad games and now
your coaches out. How do you feel as a Raiders fan?
It sucks to be honest with you. I mean, you know,
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obviously he had to go with with what came out,
But for the longest time, or at least since Gruden
got there, the issue was never his side of the ball,
which was the offense. The offense was always at worst,
but the middle of the road off coach. Yeah, but
he you can't just saying but that's like, I get it,
but you gotta you gotta blame if right, That's that's true,
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But it's like, if Bill Belichick has a bad defense,
you take that a little more personally, because Billichick's a
defensive guy, right, Gruden's always been an offensive guy, and
that they've always even in their worst years, they were
at least the middle of the pack offense. So this
year they finally get a defense that's not terrible and
you're like, hey, we might be able to do something,
and then the wheels just completely fall off and so
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we're back to square one. We're back being what five
six win teams. So this is just this disappointing, well,
here's the other thing too, Gruden. Rob, he's his last
nine seasons coaching, and that includes years in Tampa. Butruch
obviously was always a long time ago. He's made the
playoffs twice two times in his last nine years, and
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that's not including this year. So you know, here's the
other thing, Rob Gruden. When he left coach in the
first time, he really became a big time you know, broadcaster, right,
doing games. He was good. He was he was good.
He was the highest paid employee. It iss right, that's right.
He had his quarterback camp, he was doing games and
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he was good. He legitimately was good. I don't see
that's not coming back. It's not. Oh no, no kid,
So what would hire him, Chris, No network could hire him. No,
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Podcast and wherever you get your podcasts. Big Game last night,
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we both picked it. Even though you know I've I've
picked the Chiefs to win the AFC. I thought last
night that Buffalo would get the best of them, and
boy did they thirty eight to twenty in a route.
Let's just call it what it was. Um was definitely
a route and m Pat Mahomes didn't have a great game.
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He was actually off target on some passes. Thirty three
for fifty four, two hundred and seventy two yards downs,
two picks and uh missed a couple of He's unbelievable. Unbelievable.
It's twenty one throws. Well, I think he's reached that
level where I at least expect three hundred yards and
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three touchdowns every game, at least when he does play poorly,
it's it's surprising. I don't think it was horrible, but
by his standards, it was just noteworthy because it was
for him. It was a bad game. I mean, that's
still sixty one percent of completions, so it wasn't like,
you know, he was terrible, but um, but justin Herbert
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was better. And not justin Herbert, Josh Allen was better,
and not only throwing the ball rout Allen was fifteen
for twenty six over three hundred ninety eight yards and
three touchdowns and ran for another. Josh Allen was the
best quarterback on the field last night, and his running
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was also strong. Sixty two yards rushing. That dude's a
big guy, was fantastic. Would have played. It's gonna say, well,
I was gonna say it was. It was the play
of the game because it was a big three. There
was a big third down conversion too. Yeah. Yeah, three
hundred and fifteen yards I'm sorry, three hundred and fifteen yards,
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three touchdowns. They ran for another. So what what was
your impressions, whether it be Mahomes the Chiefs whatever. You know,
it's easy to look at the Chiefs defense is horrendous.
So I'm not even gonna try to act like it's
not thirty eight points. They've given up a lot that
game against Baltimore when they gave it up Chris up
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eleven in the fourth quarter, that had never happened since
Mahomes joined that team. H that was another sign there.
But I'm concerned about Patrick Mahomes in what's happened. And
I remember before and I and and this is just
I don't have the status in front of me. I can't.
I remember someone saying that Patrick Mahomes had the highest
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There was a foot former player who was telling me
that he had the highest um It was what what
was it called rob jump on if you could remember.
But if you didn't pass, you didn't know, you didn't
turn you didn't turn the ball over to Chris. But
like or interception the lowest interception ratio. No, no, no,
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you didn't turn the ball over, but you were prone
to or like a defender dropped it or you know,
like you threw a back passes or something like that,
something like that, that that they did passes exactly that
they didn't catch you know what I mean, it was
something like that, but they never really affected him. And
then last night, I mean, he had three of the
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four of the Chiefs turnovers, two picks, a pick six,
and a lost fumble. And this year this is the
other one, which is just crazy because he didn't turn
the ball over and has it most of his career.
He already has more interceptions, right or he matched it.
Last year had six, he had six this year. All
of last year twenty nineteen, he only had five. And
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Mahomes currently is on page for twenty picks. I don't
think he's gonna get there to twenty. But career Chris
his career high as twelve, which was twenty eighteen. But
here's the number that really shocked me when when I
started to, you know, look at some of the stuff
about him and what's been going on. And since the
Chiefs Week ten bye last year, Mahomes is now thrown
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thirteen interceptions in fourteen games, which is a big number
for a guy as good as him. You know, an MVP,
A guy won a super Bowl? Is that clue playoffs?
I don't think so. Rob Is that the super Bowl?
Because he only had two interceptions in three playoff games
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last year, so it says, okay, well, no, it can't
be Chris, because it says after by the bye week,
So that would be what after last year? Well that
would be how many games last year? Six? Six? And
then another four this year? So I don't know five
this year, three playoff games and then the last few Okay,
is that what it is? He had a three three
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interception game, I believe, Okay, but then he closed the playoffs. Yeah, alright,
thirteen interception in the last fourteen games. Okay. Uh So
so I'm just looking at this and I'm saying, what
is going on here? Is he just a dry patch?
Is he? Uh? You know? Is this a reason to
be concerned at how careless he is with the football?
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We saw in that Baltimore game, Chris, and I think
you even admitted it. He uh just threw the ball
up for grabs. You remember that it was wound up
being a I've always said he's reckless with the football
as great as he is, and I stand by my
comments that he could be Jordan esque, that he is
gold potential. I'm not coming off any of that, but
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he I look at him kind of like the Steph
Curry of the NFL all time great, fantastic player, one
of the best to ever do it, but gets reckless,
sometimes gets too cute, you know, the no look passes
or Steph is the behind the back passes or dribbling,
you know, too fancy at times, and Mahomes is similar
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in that regard. He's got to clean that up, and
he alluded to it after the game, saying he's never
been a high interception guy, but he does have to
look at something. He's all He even saying, I'm always
a little crazy with the way I play, but I
gotta look at that now. And so he owned it.
I don't think this is anything worrisome. I mean he's
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actually on pace. He leaves the NFL and touchdowns, you know,
sixteen touchdowns, he's on pace to throw fifty four. So
he's on pace for fifty four touchdowns, twenty interceptions. He's
number one in the league in QBR. You know what
what what Patrick Mahomes is doing again being a little
bit reckless last night? The interception that was the pick six,
that wasn't his fault, hit Tyreek Hill in the hands,
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wasn't behind him, was perfectly thrown Tyreek Hill just dropped it,
and so I'm not alarmed at all. What's happening, I
think is he's trying to having to be perfect every
single game and every single possession, because, as you said, Rob,
that defense is atrocious. That defense is horrendous, dead last
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in the league in points aloud. And yeah, okay, the
Chiefs have never been the Steel Curtain during the Mahomes era. Right, no, no, no,
But here's the thing. When they won the Super Bowl, Rob,
they were seventh in the NFL in points alloud. When
they went to the Super Bowl they lost, they were
tenth in the league and points aloud. That's the legitimate
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that's a top ten defense. Now they're thirty second in
points allowed. So the offense, and I think it may
even be affecting some of the other players with Hill
dropping some passes, the offense understands it's gotta be perfect.
Maybe they're pressing. Maybe Mahomes is trying to make bigger
plays because you know, we gotta we gotta put points
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on the board because I know our defense is gonna
stop anybody. But I'm not alarmed in any way, shape
or for him. Here here's the other stet I was
looking for last year, Patrick Mahomes finished second, and big
time throws Chris he had fifty, but also ended the
year in the top three. And turnover worthy plays that's
what they called turnover worthy plays, which was twenty three.
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But he only had eight actual turnovers last year. But
there were a lot of plays, as you said, Steph
Curry like where he throws and they might not get
picked off, but they could have been and put him
in a spot. H. The thing too, when you look
at him is I just wonder if you if you're
in the AFC now, I think he might be the
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fourth or fifth best quarterback in the AFC. No, I'm
talking you really want to go there. I'm talking about
right now playing not uh not his career. Nobody's trying
to take away anything from him. I'm talking about the
way he's playing right now. The turnovers have not been
good for him, But how could you not look at
uh Justin Herbert or or Josh Allen, Josh Allen or
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Lamar Jackson. I'm just saying I could just throw those three.
But I'm just saying right now, if you were picking,
I'm not talking about forever or for a career. But
who better Now at this moment, he's not the best
quarterback in the NFL. He's not the best quarterback in
the AFC. I think he's the best quarterback in the NFL.
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But I'll give you that right now. These first five games,
Herbert and Allen have been better. And again they don't
have to make up for horrible defenses, and so that
that is a cushion right there. Allen has a much
stronger run game with Devin Singletary and Zach Moss. And
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here's the other thing, Rob, even if they have a
better season and there's so much football left to be played,
it's unbelievable, right But even if Allan and or Herbert
have better seasons and other quarterbacks in the NFC, that's
not unusual for the best quarterback in the league not
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to have the best individual season. Tom Brady's a goat
in most people's ask. You know, mine's not yours. But
he's only made the All Pro team three times. That's
the best quarterback in the league that year, and Brady
in twenty seasons has been that the best QB in
the league according to that's that three times. Aaron Rodgers
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rob many of us have said the best ever throw
the football. Forget the wins and all that, but the
best ever throw the football. All Pro three times. Rogers stallback,
who I believe, Rob G correct me if I'm wrong,
made the top one hundred team, the top ten quarterbacks
of all time was never All Pro, never first team,
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so it's not unusual for somebody to pop up and
have a better year. Peyton Manning was the most steady
with seven All pros, but even him, that's only seven,
and so this is not unusual. If Mahomes is at
first team All Pro, H, that's fine. But like I said,
a lot of football left to be played and I'm
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still a big time believer in my man, Pat Mahomes.
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He is a former NFL scout now with the NFL
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Network and Fox Sports Radio as an NFL analyst. Does
a fantastic job. Our man. Bucky Brooks, Bucky, what up?
Man's up? They haven't fancied it so long. I know
I saw you on TV. But yeah, we haven't talked
on the radio in a while. But but you out
there tripping a little bit, man, I mean that's new,
that's not new. But I saw a tweet by you.
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I saw a tweet from you. I don't it said,
maybe Justin Herbert is the NFL's new QB one. Not
a hot take. Just look at how he plays. He's
playing fantastic, Bucky. But you're ready to say he's better now,
he's a better quarterback now than Pat Home. But let
me say this real quick, Bucky, the next time you
go out there on a limb and put it out
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there like that, take away to maybe because it softens it,
just take away to maybe make a statement. Maybe doesn't work, Chris,
tell him, no, maybe maybe not do what's in your heart.
Either way, I think that maybe saved you a little
bit because because you shouldn't you defend Justin Herbert's the best.
Might hear first, this might be the first time I
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agree with Bucky Brooks, So let's hear it well. I
mean I was doing it as I was condering, so
the maybe was a ponder. I should have put the
little emoji there with my finger on my chin just
thinking because when I'm looking at the game one, he
checks off all the boxes, right, He's a phototypical quarterback there.
Every office the coordinated wants like he's big hed, big
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time arm talent, he's athletic, and then you watch him play,
look man to do that. At thirteen touchdown he's sawed
the third most in the NFL. But it's just the
way that they are playing with him. They're going for
it on fourth down because they believe in his talent,
they believe in his ability to make plays. You watch
him in a game where he's paying up against Baker Mayfield,
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number one overall pick, and if you had to close
your eyes, it's easy to say who should be a
number one pick as opposed to the other. And so
when I think about Justin Herbert and I think about
being in that division, I watched Behold wall Off play
against the Buffalo bill. I'm trying to find a quarterback.
I've got a Deck Prescott. I don't know who's playing
better than Justin Herbert. I don't really got I got
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a question for you when you talk about didn't like
you throwing in Dac No, no, you know that. But anyway,
but but Pat Mahomes. Let's talk about Patrick Mahomes and
thirteen interceptions in his last fourteen games. Is that something
to be to look at. He's always been kind of
reckless with the footballs. Are things changing now? Are the
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ones that were those passes that would drop the year ago?
You know what I mean that he threw or now
being caught. What's going on with Patrick Mahomes. He now
has more at the same amount of interceptions through five
games than he had all of last year six. Well,
he addressed it last night when he talked about he
has to be better. He has to be better to
beat care of the football. I think for Bat Mahomes
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because he's so talented and the game has been so
easy for him. He was first three or four years
in the league that he gets a little bit cute,
He gets acre. He started doing the no looking, he
started underhand shovel passes and all of that, and sometimes
the football guys have a way correcting that hatred. And
so right now he's Joe. I can't even call it
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a slump. He's just in a bad spill when it
comes to the turn. Ever, three gets test to get
back to the basics, focused on the fundamental. Make sure
he takes care of the ball. But yeah, that's sad,
it's problematic. Thirteen interceptions the last fourteen games. Yeah, that's
a big of an issue, Bucky. Let's stay with the
quarterbacks now. My preseason pick for the MVP was Tom
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Brady and right now, I mean, he's right there at
the top of the list. What do you think of
the way he's playing. Obviously he didn't have a tremendous
game against the Patriots, but maybe emotions. Emotions probably has
something to do with that. But what are you seeing
from him? And do you think he's playing, you know,
right there among with the top quarterbacks in the league.
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He's done by Tom Brady play quarterback that I mean, yeah, Look,
he's playing great. I mean he's slaying great right now.
He somehow has a magic poaching to stave off Father time.
Um and he get I'm sorry, go ahead, I mean
I don't I don't know, but I'm just saying he
is the only guy that I'm on the player who
can fight on part of the time and played better
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in his forties and maybe he did in his thirties,
but he's playing well. Any surrounded by an all star
cast to playmaker on the outside. Mike Kevin's goblin Antonio
Brown looks like the internier. Brown was playing a gasper.
I can't see who should be the number one receivers.
He is playing so well, and so they're doing a
really good job of making life easy for him. And
that is what you're supposed to do. When the quarterback
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gets older, you get it more support and you allow
him just to kind of be a distributor. Tom Bradies Kilman,
So were you in the camp that said after Josh
Allen's first game, the loss to Pittsburgh, that everybody figured
him out and that maybe he wasn't as good as
he looked a year ago. When you're in that camp,
or no, oh, no, I was in the camp. I'm
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in the camp saying that there's a good correction because
when you go back and you looked at him, um
last year with the Outliers, he had his entire life
playing quarterback. He never had clip those kind of numbers
when it came to completion rate and accuracy and all
of those things. And so what happened at the beginning
of the year that was more like the Josh Allen
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that we had seen that said, here's what I will
say about Josh Allen. Josh Allen is a remarkable athlete, playmaker.
He's not necessarily a polished quarterback. He is a terrific athlete.
I think when you talk about Josh Allen you can
talk about Lamar Jackson in the same light. Right. They
don't necessarily play it the way that is drawn up,
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but if you believe in them and you build a
team around them, you can win a lot of games
with them playing the way that they play. Josh Allen
has played at an MVP level because the Buffalo Bills
had bought in two who he is and they've allowed
him to play the way that works for him. In
the last four games, the Bills about scored their opponents
one fifty six to forty one. It's been a whitewash
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since that terrible opener against Pittsburgh Bucky. It has been
a white watch, But they've also been the key of
the Cupcakes. Ran the cupcake the way the way that
they've been doing it. The win versus Kansas City was significant,
even though Kanser the chiefs ringing in the bot them
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and every defensive category. It was a big win for
Buffalo because they had to knock them off to get
that monkey off their back. Then the key will be
how good can they slay consistently? Because I still contend
that this is a team that is probably a better
team as a collection of individuals than just looking at
the individual telling and saying they got a bunch of
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eight plus guys, they justly will as the team. We'll
see what that looks like. We got a minute left
for this question. This answer, what do the chiefs? Obviously
they got to improve their defense just to get to
the point where the middle of the pack, they don't
have to be great. But what can they do? I mean,
your personnel is your personnel. I understand to get Chris
Jones back, but what can they really do to make
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that defense better at least mediocre? Well, I mean, I
think the main thing is they have to have Frank
Park and Chris Jones because they got to have people
up front, and they're asking Chris Jones to play a
new position, so it takes time for him to adjust
to that feaceback new law. The way they play defense
is basically, okay, you're guys, we're talking about Kyrie and
the Brooklyn Nets or whatever like. They're not trying to
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shut you out. They're just trying to get a handful
of stops so their offense can create separation from you.
The offense just about fourteen. You're chasing points. They don't
mind beating you forty to twenty eight. And so they
just need to get the offense playing at a high
level and the defense just playing at an average level,
and they could be a danger to be able to
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go there. So it's just about getting the person to
go back and give it and quit giving up the
big place on knuckle busting bona sign. All right, that's
our man, Bucky Brooks. Great stuff, man, We appreciate you, brother,
hey man, take some much Next time we got to
talk about Matthew Stafford, the King of La. We will
do that man, for sure, for sure. All please, brother,
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Cup Off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. John Gruden, Yeah,
is his situation in Las Vegas, which was already looking
like it was gonna be bad with the racially insensitive
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comments about de Morris Smith, which were disrespectful to African
American people, it's gotten worse. Mark Davis, the owner for
the Raiders, had emails from that were sent in by
it from the league, rob uh And they're not from
two thousand and eleven anymore. Some of them may still be,
but a lot of them are from twenty eighteen. And
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in those emails there were terms derogatory terms towards homosexuals.
He really called Roger Goodell several names, including as you said,
Rob the F word, called him clueless, called him anti football, um,
talked about Eric Reid, who obviously was a player who
(01:31):
was involved heavily in the protest during the national anthem,
say he should be fired. That's something that probably you know,
it's not gonna sit well. Sounds like there's more breaking news,
breaking news from Fox Sports. Well, the stories coming from
Tom Pella Sero with NFL Network, but saying that the
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Raiders and John Gruden are going to be parting way Wow,
saying that it is over courses off of the emails
that are stemming from the NFL investigation into the Washington
football team and that's where these emails came from to
go to the NFL. And interesting that coming out of
all this. Daniel Snyder, no charges, nothing there, but John
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Gruden is going to be out as the Raider's head coaching. Chris,
not something that you know that, Daniel Snyder. Yeah, but
you never know what you might uncover. And Chris, this
is not what did I just say to Rod? I
just told Rod he's done. And you know why I
said that, because you can't clean up all of that. Chris,
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You know, like this too much to you can't make
an excuse for every term you use and what you
said about the commissioner and what you said about the
gay players, and what you said about the female referees
and what you said about how can you clean up
after those emails came out. You can't clean all of
that up. You could have made an excuse about about
the union chief, right and say, hey, I didn't meet
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it in that light. You got four or five things
to clean up. You can't clean them all up. Yeah,
he was anti player protests when the league was talking
about getting supportive of that and the players. Remember, the
players came out with the video and all that, So
this was viewed as antagonistic towards that. So yeah, at
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this point, Robbie, it's not it's not that surprising. And
I would say, look, learn, let's learn lessons number one.
As I said last segment, Rob, we're all not going
to agree on everything, and we don't all have to
agree on everything. And I think that's the lesson the
world is right, that's the lesson. That's the lesson that
we need to learn. Let people disagree, but we can
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disagree respectfully, and that's how it has to be. And
then secondly, Rob, watch what your email and text people.
You can't be careless, you know, and be careful. And
I'm gonna say bravo to the Las Vegas Raiders. This
was their dream coach, Chris. They gave them an unprecedented
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hundred million dollars, ten year guaranteed contract to a coach,
never been done before. Rob Gruden is resigning. They're saying,
which is is a big that's different than firing, So
we don't have to pay those situations. Gonna be right, right,
when you're reine, you don't get paid, right, there'll be right.
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I wonder was there some type of buyout. No, but
but this is what my point, Chris and I give
the Raiders credit. Their organization, built by Al Davis, has
had a history of inclusion the whole time. First Hispanic
head coach, Tom Flores, right, Art Shell, Chris, the first
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black head coach, right, and then what you said, you
negative in executive in the front office. So the stuff
that Gruden was saying doesn't go with their organization. That's
why I knew he couldn't fit. He doesn't fit with
who the Raiders are. I know they're bad, black and
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Silver and all those crazy fans, but they've always had
a consciousness about including everybody. You gotta give the Raiders that,
and I applaud them for saying, you don't fit here.
This is not who we are. I don't know that
any team could have kept him, Rob probably, I don't
know that any team could have kept him. You know,
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just with you mentioned it and he disparaged. You know,
we talked about it a league to seventy percent African American.
You already disrespected African Americans with the email about the
Morris Smith right now. You don't really care about the
protest and what they were all about, right, you think
that's foolishness. Apparently the commission then, like you said, the
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commissioner too. I mean, the commissioner had to be like yo, dude,
like you know, and then you know, he's got Carl
Nassi who came out as a homosexual player. That's one
of his defensive lineman who's actually played well for them,
and so he's in that locker room too. So yeah, again,
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when I saw the story from the New York Times
with a lot of the you know things that had
come out in those emails. Uh, the New York Times, man,
they do great journalism. And you know if you get
you read something in the New York Times, you know
a serius Oh, yeah, I mean, am I right? You
got stall of stuff that's happened in your in your
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career writing for that paper. That's the that's the pillar
of journalism. It's argument the best newspaper in the world
and the world, And you're right, it was a it
was an honor to work for them. And I had
a ball there. I had a ball in my six
years at the New York Times. But yeah, Rob, this
is this situation, Rob gee, who's taken over? Who they
say is the interim That has not been announced yet,
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But Adam Schefter has tweeted a little more context too.
It's according to him, Mark Davis arrived to the team
facility a couple of hours ago and went directly to
find John Gruden. The two men met, and Gruden decided
then that he would be resigning as the coach. I wonder,
I probably wonder what the financial settlement will be. I
bet you did some sort of payout number. But he's
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not gonna get sixty No no, no, no, no, no
no no, no, Rob. What did you got as a
Raiders fan? I mean, you know your whole team has
just gotten blown up, you know, like you started out
three and old, look like this is going to be
the year you lose a couple bad games and now
your coaches out. How do you feel as a Raiders fan?
It sucks to be honest with you. I mean, you know,
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obviously he had to go with with what came out,
But for the longest time, or at least since Gruden
got there, the issue was never his side of the ball,
which was the offense. The offense was always at worst,
but the middle of the road off coach. Yeah, but
he you can't just saying but that's like, I get it,
but you gotta you gotta blame if right, That's that's true,
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But it's like, if Bill Belichick has a bad defense,
you take that a little more personally, because Billichick's a
defensive guy, right, Gruden's always been an offensive guy, and
that they've always even in their worst years, they were
at least the middle of the pack offense. So this
year they finally get a defense that's not terrible and
you're like, hey, we might be able to do something,
and then the wheels just completely fall off and so
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we're back to square one. We're back being what five
six win teams. So this is just this disappointing, well,
here's the other thing too, Gruden. Rob, he's his last
nine seasons coaching, and that includes years in Tampa. Butruch
obviously was always a long time ago. He's made the
playoffs twice two times in his last nine years, and
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that's not including this year. So you know, here's the
other thing, Rob Gruden. When he left coach in the
first time, he really became a big time you know, broadcaster, right,
doing games. He was good. He was he was good.
He was the highest paid employee. It iss right, that's right.
He had his quarterback camp, he was doing games and
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he was good. He legitimately was good. I don't see
that's not coming back. It's not. Oh no, no kid,
So what would hire him, Chris, No network could hire him. No,
not with that stuff. Be sure to catch live editions
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Podcast and wherever you get your podcasts. Big Game last night,
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we both picked it. Even though you know I've I've
picked the Chiefs to win the AFC. I thought last
night that Buffalo would get the best of them, and
boy did they thirty eight to twenty in a route.
Let's just call it what it was. Um was definitely
a route and m Pat Mahomes didn't have a great game.
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He was actually off target on some passes. Thirty three
for fifty four, two hundred and seventy two yards downs,
two picks and uh missed a couple of He's unbelievable. Unbelievable.
It's twenty one throws. Well, I think he's reached that
level where I at least expect three hundred yards and
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three touchdowns every game, at least when he does play poorly,
it's it's surprising. I don't think it was horrible, but
by his standards, it was just noteworthy because it was
for him. It was a bad game. I mean, that's
still sixty one percent of completions, so it wasn't like,
you know, he was terrible, but um, but justin Herbert
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was better. And not justin Herbert, Josh Allen was better,
and not only throwing the ball rout Allen was fifteen
for twenty six over three hundred ninety eight yards and
three touchdowns and ran for another. Josh Allen was the
best quarterback on the field last night, and his running
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was also strong. Sixty two yards rushing. That dude's a
big guy, was fantastic. Would have played. It's gonna say, well,
I was gonna say it was. It was the play
of the game because it was a big three. There
was a big third down conversion too. Yeah. Yeah, three
hundred and fifteen yards I'm sorry, three hundred and fifteen yards,
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three touchdowns. They ran for another. So what what was
your impressions, whether it be Mahomes the Chiefs whatever. You know,
it's easy to look at the Chiefs defense is horrendous.
So I'm not even gonna try to act like it's
not thirty eight points. They've given up a lot that
game against Baltimore when they gave it up Chris up
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eleven in the fourth quarter, that had never happened since
Mahomes joined that team. H that was another sign there.
But I'm concerned about Patrick Mahomes in what's happened. And
I remember before and I and and this is just
I don't have the status in front of me. I can't.
I remember someone saying that Patrick Mahomes had the highest
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There was a foot former player who was telling me
that he had the highest um It was what what
was it called rob jump on if you could remember.
But if you didn't pass, you didn't know, you didn't
turn you didn't turn the ball over to Chris. But
like or interception the lowest interception ratio. No, no, no,
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you didn't turn the ball over, but you were prone
to or like a defender dropped it or you know,
like you threw a back passes or something like that,
something like that, that that they did passes exactly that
they didn't catch you know what I mean, it was
something like that, but they never really affected him. And
then last night, I mean, he had three of the
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four of the Chiefs turnovers, two picks, a pick six,
and a lost fumble. And this year this is the
other one, which is just crazy because he didn't turn
the ball over and has it most of his career.
He already has more interceptions, right or he matched it.
Last year had six, he had six this year. All
of last year twenty nineteen, he only had five. And
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Mahomes currently is on page for twenty picks. I don't
think he's gonna get there to twenty. But career Chris
his career high as twelve, which was twenty eighteen. But
here's the number that really shocked me when when I
started to, you know, look at some of the stuff
about him and what's been going on. And since the
Chiefs Week ten bye last year, Mahomes is now thrown
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thirteen interceptions in fourteen games, which is a big number
for a guy as good as him. You know, an MVP,
A guy won a super Bowl? Is that clue playoffs?
I don't think so. Rob Is that the super Bowl?
Because he only had two interceptions in three playoff games
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last year, so it says, okay, well, no, it can't
be Chris, because it says after by the bye week,
So that would be what after last year? Well that
would be how many games last year? Six? Six? And
then another four this year? So I don't know five
this year, three playoff games and then the last few Okay,
is that what it is? He had a three three
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interception game, I believe, Okay, but then he closed the playoffs. Yeah, alright,
thirteen interception in the last fourteen games. Okay. Uh So
so I'm just looking at this and I'm saying, what
is going on here? Is he just a dry patch?
Is he? Uh? You know? Is this a reason to
be concerned at how careless he is with the football?
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We saw in that Baltimore game, Chris, and I think
you even admitted it. He uh just threw the ball
up for grabs. You remember that it was wound up
being a I've always said he's reckless with the football
as great as he is, and I stand by my
comments that he could be Jordan esque, that he is
gold potential. I'm not coming off any of that, but
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he I look at him kind of like the Steph
Curry of the NFL all time great, fantastic player, one
of the best to ever do it, but gets reckless,
sometimes gets too cute, you know, the no look passes
or Steph is the behind the back passes or dribbling,
you know, too fancy at times, and Mahomes is similar
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in that regard. He's got to clean that up, and
he alluded to it after the game, saying he's never
been a high interception guy, but he does have to
look at something. He's all He even saying, I'm always
a little crazy with the way I play, but I
gotta look at that now. And so he owned it.
I don't think this is anything worrisome. I mean he's
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actually on pace. He leaves the NFL and touchdowns, you know,
sixteen touchdowns, he's on pace to throw fifty four. So
he's on pace for fifty four touchdowns, twenty interceptions. He's
number one in the league in QBR. You know what
what what Patrick Mahomes is doing again being a little
bit reckless last night? The interception that was the pick six,
that wasn't his fault, hit Tyreek Hill in the hands,
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wasn't behind him, was perfectly thrown Tyreek Hill just dropped it,
and so I'm not alarmed at all. What's happening, I
think is he's trying to having to be perfect every
single game and every single possession, because, as you said, Rob,
that defense is atrocious. That defense is horrendous, dead last
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in the league in points aloud. And yeah, okay, the
Chiefs have never been the Steel Curtain during the Mahomes era. Right, no, no, no,
But here's the thing. When they won the Super Bowl, Rob,
they were seventh in the NFL in points alloud. When
they went to the Super Bowl they lost, they were
tenth in the league and points aloud. That's the legitimate
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that's a top ten defense. Now they're thirty second in
points allowed. So the offense, and I think it may
even be affecting some of the other players with Hill
dropping some passes, the offense understands it's gotta be perfect.
Maybe they're pressing. Maybe Mahomes is trying to make bigger
plays because you know, we gotta we gotta put points
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on the board because I know our defense is gonna
stop anybody. But I'm not alarmed in any way, shape
or for him. Here here's the other stet I was
looking for last year, Patrick Mahomes finished second, and big
time throws Chris he had fifty, but also ended the
year in the top three. And turnover worthy plays that's
what they called turnover worthy plays, which was twenty three.
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But he only had eight actual turnovers last year. But
there were a lot of plays, as you said, Steph
Curry like where he throws and they might not get
picked off, but they could have been and put him
in a spot. H. The thing too, when you look
at him is I just wonder if you if you're
in the AFC now, I think he might be the
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fourth or fifth best quarterback in the AFC. No, I'm
talking you really want to go there. I'm talking about
right now playing not uh not his career. Nobody's trying
to take away anything from him. I'm talking about the
way he's playing right now. The turnovers have not been
good for him, But how could you not look at
uh Justin Herbert or or Josh Allen, Josh Allen or
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Lamar Jackson. I'm just saying I could just throw those three.
But I'm just saying right now, if you were picking,
I'm not talking about forever or for a career. But
who better Now at this moment, he's not the best
quarterback in the NFL. He's not the best quarterback in
the AFC. I think he's the best quarterback in the NFL.
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But I'll give you that right now. These first five games,
Herbert and Allen have been better. And again they don't
have to make up for horrible defenses, and so that
that is a cushion right there. Allen has a much
stronger run game with Devin Singletary and Zach Moss. And
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here's the other thing, Rob, even if they have a
better season and there's so much football left to be played,
it's unbelievable, right But even if Allan and or Herbert
have better seasons and other quarterbacks in the NFC, that's
not unusual for the best quarterback in the league not
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to have the best individual season. Tom Brady's a goat
in most people's ask. You know, mine's not yours. But
he's only made the All Pro team three times. That's
the best quarterback in the league that year, and Brady
in twenty seasons has been that the best QB in
the league according to that's that three times. Aaron Rodgers
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rob many of us have said the best ever throw
the football. Forget the wins and all that, but the
best ever throw the football. All Pro three times. Rogers stallback,
who I believe, Rob G correct me if I'm wrong,
made the top one hundred team, the top ten quarterbacks
of all time was never All Pro, never first team,
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so it's not unusual for somebody to pop up and
have a better year. Peyton Manning was the most steady
with seven All pros, but even him, that's only seven,
and so this is not unusual. If Mahomes is at
first team All Pro, H, that's fine. But like I said,
a lot of football left to be played and I'm
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still a big time believer in my man, Pat Mahomes.
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He is a former NFL scout now with the NFL
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Network and Fox Sports Radio as an NFL analyst. Does
a fantastic job. Our man. Bucky Brooks, Bucky, what up?
Man's up? They haven't fancied it so long. I know
I saw you on TV. But yeah, we haven't talked
on the radio in a while. But but you out
there tripping a little bit, man, I mean that's new,
that's not new. But I saw a tweet by you.
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I saw a tweet from you. I don't it said,
maybe Justin Herbert is the NFL's new QB one. Not
a hot take. Just look at how he plays. He's
playing fantastic, Bucky. But you're ready to say he's better now,
he's a better quarterback now than Pat Home. But let
me say this real quick, Bucky, the next time you
go out there on a limb and put it out
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there like that, take away to maybe because it softens it,
just take away to maybe make a statement. Maybe doesn't work, Chris,
tell him, no, maybe maybe not do what's in your heart.
Either way, I think that maybe saved you a little
bit because because you shouldn't you defend Justin Herbert's the best.
Might hear first, this might be the first time I
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agree with Bucky Brooks, So let's hear it well. I
mean I was doing it as I was condering, so
the maybe was a ponder. I should have put the
little emoji there with my finger on my chin just
thinking because when I'm looking at the game one, he
checks off all the boxes, right, He's a phototypical quarterback there.
Every office the coordinated wants like he's big hed, big
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time arm talent, he's athletic, and then you watch him play,
look man to do that. At thirteen touchdown he's sawed
the third most in the NFL. But it's just the
way that they are playing with him. They're going for
it on fourth down because they believe in his talent,
they believe in his ability to make plays. You watch
him in a game where he's paying up against Baker Mayfield,
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number one overall pick, and if you had to close
your eyes, it's easy to say who should be a
number one pick as opposed to the other. And so
when I think about Justin Herbert and I think about
being in that division, I watched Behold wall Off play
against the Buffalo bill. I'm trying to find a quarterback.
I've got a Deck Prescott. I don't know who's playing
better than Justin Herbert. I don't really got I got
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a question for you when you talk about didn't like
you throwing in Dac No, no, you know that. But anyway,
but but Pat Mahomes. Let's talk about Patrick Mahomes and
thirteen interceptions in his last fourteen games. Is that something
to be to look at. He's always been kind of
reckless with the footballs. Are things changing now? Are the
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ones that were those passes that would drop the year ago?
You know what I mean that he threw or now
being caught. What's going on with Patrick Mahomes. He now
has more at the same amount of interceptions through five
games than he had all of last year six. Well,
he addressed it last night when he talked about he
has to be better. He has to be better to
beat care of the football. I think for Bat Mahomes
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because he's so talented and the game has been so
easy for him. He was first three or four years
in the league that he gets a little bit cute,
He gets acre. He started doing the no looking, he
started underhand shovel passes and all of that, and sometimes
the football guys have a way correcting that hatred. And
so right now he's Joe. I can't even call it
(25:04):
a slump. He's just in a bad spill when it
comes to the turn. Ever, three gets test to get
back to the basics, focused on the fundamental. Make sure
he takes care of the ball. But yeah, that's sad,
it's problematic. Thirteen interceptions the last fourteen games. Yeah, that's
a big of an issue, Bucky. Let's stay with the
quarterbacks now. My preseason pick for the MVP was Tom
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Brady and right now, I mean, he's right there at
the top of the list. What do you think of
the way he's playing. Obviously he didn't have a tremendous
game against the Patriots, but maybe emotions. Emotions probably has
something to do with that. But what are you seeing
from him? And do you think he's playing, you know,
right there among with the top quarterbacks in the league.
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He's done by Tom Brady play quarterback that I mean, yeah, Look,
he's playing great. I mean he's slaying great right now.
He somehow has a magic poaching to stave off Father time.
Um and he get I'm sorry, go ahead, I mean
I don't I don't know, but I'm just saying he
is the only guy that I'm on the player who
can fight on part of the time and played better
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in his forties and maybe he did in his thirties,
but he's playing well. Any surrounded by an all star
cast to playmaker on the outside. Mike Kevin's goblin Antonio
Brown looks like the internier. Brown was playing a gasper.
I can't see who should be the number one receivers.
He is playing so well, and so they're doing a
really good job of making life easy for him. And
that is what you're supposed to do. When the quarterback
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gets older, you get it more support and you allow
him just to kind of be a distributor. Tom Bradies Kilman,
So were you in the camp that said after Josh
Allen's first game, the loss to Pittsburgh, that everybody figured
him out and that maybe he wasn't as good as
he looked a year ago. When you're in that camp,
or no, oh, no, I was in the camp. I'm
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in the camp saying that there's a good correction because
when you go back and you looked at him, um
last year with the Outliers, he had his entire life
playing quarterback. He never had clip those kind of numbers
when it came to completion rate and accuracy and all
of those things. And so what happened at the beginning
of the year that was more like the Josh Allen
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that we had seen that said, here's what I will
say about Josh Allen. Josh Allen is a remarkable athlete, playmaker.
He's not necessarily a polished quarterback. He is a terrific athlete.
I think when you talk about Josh Allen you can
talk about Lamar Jackson in the same light. Right. They
don't necessarily play it the way that is drawn up,
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but if you believe in them and you build a
team around them, you can win a lot of games
with them playing the way that they play. Josh Allen
has played at an MVP level because the Buffalo Bills
had bought in two who he is and they've allowed
him to play the way that works for him. In
the last four games, the Bills about scored their opponents
one fifty six to forty one. It's been a whitewash
(27:56):
since that terrible opener against Pittsburgh Bucky. It has been
a white watch, But they've also been the key of
the Cupcakes. Ran the cupcake the way the way that
they've been doing it. The win versus Kansas City was significant,
even though Kanser the chiefs ringing in the bot them
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and every defensive category. It was a big win for
Buffalo because they had to knock them off to get
that monkey off their back. Then the key will be
how good can they slay consistently? Because I still contend
that this is a team that is probably a better
team as a collection of individuals than just looking at
the individual telling and saying they got a bunch of
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eight plus guys, they justly will as the team. We'll
see what that looks like. We got a minute left
for this question. This answer, what do the chiefs? Obviously
they got to improve their defense just to get to
the point where the middle of the pack, they don't
have to be great. But what can they do? I mean,
your personnel is your personnel. I understand to get Chris
Jones back, but what can they really do to make
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that defense better at least mediocre? Well, I mean, I
think the main thing is they have to have Frank
Park and Chris Jones because they got to have people
up front, and they're asking Chris Jones to play a
new position, so it takes time for him to adjust
to that feaceback new law. The way they play defense
is basically, okay, you're guys, we're talking about Kyrie and
the Brooklyn Nets or whatever like. They're not trying to
(29:20):
shut you out. They're just trying to get a handful
of stops so their offense can create separation from you.
The offense just about fourteen. You're chasing points. They don't
mind beating you forty to twenty eight. And so they
just need to get the offense playing at a high
level and the defense just playing at an average level,
and they could be a danger to be able to
(29:41):
go there. So it's just about getting the person to
go back and give it and quit giving up the
big place on knuckle busting bona sign. All right, that's
our man, Bucky Brooks. Great stuff, man, We appreciate you, brother,
hey man, take some much Next time we got to
talk about Matthew Stafford, the King of La. We will
do that man, for sure, for sure. All please, brother,
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