November 3, 2020 • 30 mins
It's The Best Of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob discuss if the Green Bay Packers decision not to appease Aaron Rodgers and add a wide receiver at the trade deadline proves that they're taking him for granted, debate if Bill Belichick is making excuses when he says that the New England Patriots have struggled this season because the salary cap has prevented them from adding talent, and wonder aloud why the San Francisco 49ers seem to have fallen out of love with Jimmy Garoppolo so quickly.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of The Odd
Couple with Chris Brussa and Rod Harker. The Green Bay
Packers continue to take Aaron Rodgers for granted. You have
got a legendary quarterback. You have got one of the
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five greatest to ever throw the football, whether you're ranking
in the top five or not in that category to
throw the football. He's in the top five. And you
seem to me to be content with your one super
Bowl and Rob this is the Green Bay Packers. Now,
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the young people might be like, who are they the Packers?
They're nothing special. The Green Bay Packers are one of
the flagship franchises in the NFL. The Green Bay Packers
were championship hoarders under Vince Lombardi. I know it was
ages ago, but they've got two Super Bowls in the
last fifty three years and they seem content with it,
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one with five, one with Rogers, and I say, when
you have a quarterback of this caliber, you need to
do everything you can to win now. And they don't
seem to be doing it. Rob they seem content to
be relevant playoff bound and have you know a great
quarterback that you know it's gonna get your national TV
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and people are gonna be talking about. And that's that.
I don't like it. The Green Bay Packers or whatever,
for whatever reason, this is how they operate, and it
doesn't make sense, especially the draft more so than this.
I get it, um, you know, like not wanting to
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give up a pick for a guy who could be
a free agent and could walk. So I understand that
part of it, Like it ain't like you're getting him
and he's gonna be here, you know what I mean.
And at one time, if I remember correctly, a couple
of years back, and this was this is when you
realize where the Packers are and their mindset. And remember
they're not owned buy an owner their own publicly, it's
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kind of weird. They have a chairman, do you know
what I mean? Chris is yes, like everybody owns like
they don't really technically own the team, but they have shares.
It's it's the weirdest thing in sports. So there is
no guy call in and be like, hey, I think
we should But there is no guy. Okay, you could say, hey,
the owner, make this happen for Aaron, you know what
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I mean, Jerry Jones, make this happen or or or something.
It's the GM. You know, it's the right I mean.
But they're not. Yeah, they're not. They're not held accountables.
What I'm saying to you, nobody even knows who runs
the Packers, Chris. This is what I'm saying. You can't
give me a name. I'll tell you. Anybody in NFL
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and football can't give you a name. Who do you
go to and complain? It's like a chairman of the
of the holding company. Do you know what I'm saying that?
I think that's part of it. And a couple of
years ago I remember, and I say a couple five
or six or eight years I can remember, the Packers
were the only team in the NFL where everybody on
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their roster, Chris fifty three players were all drafted by
the Green Bay Packers. Nobody had come from another organization
or another team like it was. It was unheard of,
like to having when nobody it was the Packers way
they drafted everybody you came through this them. There was
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no oh yeah, he played for the Bears or he
played for the Lions. Didn't improve the team by may
nobody just well. But but to me, right, what does
that tell you? No? But I'm just saying. I'm saying,
this is what they've done, and they need to break
away from the mole. I mean, I don't understand you
agree by premise that they're content being relevant, they're content
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being a play I don't know if they're content of
being relevant. I mean, they went to the NFC Championship game.
You would think that they would want to win. I don't.
But that's hard. It's hard for me to believe that
they went to the NFC Championship game and then drafted
three backups, their first three picks three backups, and then
at the trade deadline, when you lose two games, you
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know pretty badly. I mean, yesterday Sunday was a bad
loss because the Vikings aren't that good, and then obviously
they got hammered by Tampa Bay. Like if you're robbed,
I would think if you're that close, then you're like,
let's get that extra piece. And I just feel like
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they're content. And they may say, because you're right, they
got Aaron Rodgers, so they always have a chance a shot.
But I don't think they're putting him in the best
position to have the best shot at get into the
Super Bowl. Not well. I mean that that's the crutch
that they've had, and they've used that and they've been fortunate.
They've been fortunate that they have two legendary quarterbacks back
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to back, So so they're gonna have when you look
at it, you know, uh, twenty five or thirty years
right of two quarterbacks? Howzas quarterbacks? How many organizations can
say that? Chris like, like, seriously, you had two quarterbacks
for thirty years. I can't, honestly, I can't think of
an organization that can say it's straight right. I can't
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think of another burg You have brash Shall and then
you went through a slump, then you got Roethlisberger. But
straight great, we're only two guys, right, where two guys
will under center for luck? I mean, but it didn't
last thirty It would have, right, it would have had luck,
you know, not they would have had a shot at it, right,
But I'm just saying there aren't that many organizations that
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can do that. So I think that that that's part
of it is the crutch part. Part of it is, Wow,
we didn't get him. We didn't get him, we didn't
draft him wide receiver, and the Packers were averaging forty
points at first four games, right, whatever it was. And
this is what I'm saying. I'm not making an excuse
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for him, because I think it would have been easy.
But I'm telling you that's where their head is. Oh,
we didn't get him a guy. That's funny. We didn't
score the average thirteen points a game. We average forty points.
They scored the most points in the history of the
Packers organization through the first four games ever. Yeah, and
that no, I know, but I'm saying this is this
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is why I think that they that they that they
think that Aaron is a magician, magician and he can uh,
you know, he can make a tuna salad out of
tuna blank, you know what I mean. And this is
the problem. Yeah, because I look, Brett Farve, you mentioned it.
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Two legendary quarterbacks, Brat Farr. How many years. I mean, Rob,
g you're gonna have two supers. I mean, you know,
who know, We'll see what Rogers does. But right now,
you got two super Bowls in those twenty seven or
thirty years or whatever it is. Well, when did they
win the first When they win the first one with
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ninety something ninety eight? When did when did when was
that ninety three round ninety eight? It was somewhere since
ninety eight? They got two super Bowls? Yeah, and then
I mean, but remember they had when you and I
were coming up, the Packers weren't anything special. I'm relevant
for a lot of the you know what I mean.
They were. They were good in the fifties and sixties
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and then and then when these eighties they weren't. I
thought ninety six they won, So it was until ninety
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but the Patriots are two and five and at the bottom,
I mean, unless you count the Jets of the NF
the AFC, East just horrible. And they look like, uh,
they could be in they're in serious danger of missing
the playoffs, let's put it that way. Um, but they
don't look good. And Bill Belichick all of a sudden,
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all of a sudden, Rob Parker, Bill Belichick is chatty.
He's never been chatty throughout his entire career. Chatty dotty now, right,
Not when you won all those Super Bowls or at
least got there, Not when you were in Cleveland. That's
I was there in Cleveland, Rob. I was just a
little old high school reporter when he was playing with
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the when he was coaching the Browns, but I followed it.
And part of the reason, like the media hated him
there because he just wouldn't give him anything, you know,
and he wasn't big old Bill Belichick at that time.
I actually thought he was doing a pretty decent job.
They got mad at him because he didn't talk to
him very much, didn't give him anything. And also, you know,
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Bernie Kosars from Youngstown near uh that's northern Ohio, not
too far from Cleveland. And when he said Bernie had
diminishing skills, he was right. But nobody in Cleveland too
kindly to that except me. I was the only person
in the hole. You were hurt. I was. I was like,
he's right, Bernie, Bernie is losing it, and uh, you know,
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and he had I think he had a pretty good
year with Vinnie there that I'm not positive, but I
think that might have been the one year they made
the playoffs there. But anyway, he never been chatty. Now
all of a sudden, he is. He was on your station,
rob your favorite They love you up there at w
EI in Boston. Oh yeah, you're Brayte pay me up
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there to go out there and give him the opposite
viewpoint of time, Brady. But Belichick was on there, and
here's what he said. We take him a million dollars.
I mean, it's obviously we didn't have any money. It's
nobody's fault. That's I mean, that's what we did the
last five years. So we sold out and won three
Super Bowls, played in the fourth and playing in an
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ANFC championship game this year. We had less to work with.
It's not an excuse, it's just a fact. All right,
here's my take, Robber. And I know you want to
get in on this. Um, I get what he's saying.
And if he had a history of speaking like this,
you know, if all those years when they were great,
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he was hoping with the media and talked about the
cap and talked about you know, his own players, not
just praising the opponent, but you know he was liked this.
If he was open, then I would be like, you
know what, he's just telling the truth. But because he
was so close mouthed all those great years, because we've
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never in my recollection and I'm going back to Cleveland
heard Belichick be this open, then Rob, I can't help
but feel like it sounds like you're making excuses. All
of a sudden, the great Bill Belichick is two and
five and Tom Brady, who you seem like you didn't
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have any more use for, has gone to Tampa Bay,
and to this point he's thriving. It's only halfway through
the season, but to this point he looks like he's
thirty three rather than forty three. He also got this
same team. I mean, I know they have lost some
other players. I'll give him that. I'll be fair. They
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lost some other players to COVID, you know, decide not
to play and things like that, So I'll give him that.
But they were twelve and four last year, not really
very good, but they were twelve and four with Brady.
So I'm just saying, with all of that, in the
consideration run, it just sounds to me like he's making
excuses to cover his back. I think it's not excuse
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from this stampoint that the stuff that he talked about
was factual. I don't think that they held any money
back from cam like, oh, we don't want to pay him.
I really believe that that's what they were working with,
and he was obviously without a job, so I do
understand that part. The only thing I would say in
the Bill Belichick is this is an old saying in
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the business. You know, Bill's now saying hello when it's
time to say goodbye. You know, like like there are
people like that. He when he was winning and things
were going his way, he didn't have to say anything.
He could get away with it, and you could, you know,
you could get away with it, Chris, when you win,
and when you don't, you have to answer questions, you know,
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like it's no Mistakeue. It's just like it's hard to
press a guy who's winning championships, right, Like, what are
you gonna tell him? And what are you demanding to know?
What do you need to know? We want again? Now,
what what's the next question? You know what I mean? So, yeah,
so that that's really where he is now. And you
see this from guys who are in this situation where
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and that's what I'm talking that's the old saying about uh.
You know now you're saying when it's time to say goodbye,
you're saying hello because now things aren't going that well.
Now you got a little more time for me. Now
you want to explain a little you know what I mean.
You're going me stuff off the record right that you
never gave me before because I want to get your
narrative and your story out there. So is an excuse, No,
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it's not an excuse, but it is different and it's
self serving, Chris, it's not an excuse. They're self serving
because it's not I think what he's talking about being
all in and all that over the last few years
to be able to do what they've done. I get
all that, and the whole notion that they didn't even
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want to give Tom Brady the money, you know, like
they didn't even offer from a contract, they didn't want
to give them the money. So I don't think that
that's an excuse. But this is self serving to kind
of lay your cards on the table now when you
never did it. You always did, You always had your
cards in the hole, right, and now all of a
sudden you got them all face up and letting everybody
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see what your cards are. I think I think that's
self solved. That's my thing, Rob. I mean, what he
said is absolutely legitimate. There's no way you're sayings or
buts about that. But there are a lot of excuses
that are legitimate. You know, there's a fine line between
an excuse and an explanation. There really is, and this
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is a legitimate explanation. But the you said, because you've
never talked like this, you've never been this open. Now
it comes off like you said, self serving and like
an excuse. And Rob, I'm gonna say it, and I'm not.
You know this. You gotta give me this. This is
not a second guess. I have said all along now,
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and I've always given Belichick his credit and he is
a great coach. But I've always said it was Brady
more than Belichick. See that's where I've not been on
I've not been on defence. That's why. That's why I disagree.
When you look at their defensive and what they were.
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I'm not trying to say it was all Brady. I've
never said that. I've never taken anything away from their defense.
But I just call it like I see it. And
Brady in all six of their championships, he led game
winning drives. It may have ended in a field goal,
but you didn't start in field goal position. He led
him to field goal. But they didn't give up any
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points in the fourth quarter, but they gave up plenty
of docs before that. They stopped the Rams. That was
the fifth they Nick Foles, well, they stopped the Rams,
the fifth gradest offense in the history of the NFL,
held them to a three to three points and it
was like an eighty nine yard field goal. That's how
close they got to score it. That's all they could get.
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That was nice, But I mean, he didn't hold Nick Foles.
He certainly didn't hold that. But he's not the first
perfect though. I meant, I'm just giving you like the lesson. Yeah,
I think from him, I'm saying this to me what
we're seeing right now, and it's her. I'll admit it's
only halfway through the season, and to be honest to
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most people, this chapter will not be written this season.
Even if New England's two and fourteen and Bray he
wins the super Bowl, it won't be written for and
in fairness, it won't be written because Belichick's got who
knows how much longer he'll coach, and maybe he'll going
to win super Bowls. But I'm saying right now, the
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evidence rob a guy that's got nine super Bowl trips,
six super Bowl wins, and yet the seven seasons and
I'm not even counting this year yet the seven seasons
without Brady's got one playoff. But I just don't buy
that when you look at the team that was put
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together that he won without Brady and when he was
the defensive coordinator with the Giants that he no, no, no, no,
hold on, you just said, you just said, you just
said your peace? Can I told okay? When when they
beat the Greatest Show on Turf, they held that defense,
held that Rams team that was double digit favorites in
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the Super Bowl, Chris, they they held him the thirteen points.
So you can't act like Belichick had nothing when at
thirteen to three, no I'm talking about the rams of
the greatest show on turn in that Super Bowl, wasn't
the score? Was the score thirteen to three? No? What
super Bowl you're talking about? The last one? One? No,
the first m rob G look up that score. I
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think they scored thirteen and and and and they were
double did people had to I think they were twelve
or thirteen point favorites in that Super Bowl and his
defense shut down the greatest show on turf. They were
running over everybody. Um So, so when I look at that,
you know, it's hard for me to act like that
didn't happen. And it's and I'm not saying that Brady
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didn't have a hand. And it also one of the
one of the greatest kickers who also wasn't involved. You
could lead it if the kick, if Adam Minetary misses
three field goals, no one saying Tom Brady's the greatest
quarterback despite leading them down in position to get there,
So he had to have help. Why the defense was
a bigger part. Why Belichick being able to win with
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any other I don't know. I think that was bad.
They had a bad team in Cleveland, and he was
taking steps and they were moving forward. I think they
made the play off step and then they moved the team. Yeah,
but but in New England drew Bledsoe is not chopped liver. Yeah,
but I don't know if I don't know if he
had hold of his defense as good as as once
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he got his defense together. Man, those those defensive teams
were all I know is he was the defensive coordinator
in New York before that you talk about, and they
were they were really good under him. And then he
goes to New England and they struggled with the same
defense that was Oway defense. A lot of player Lawrence
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Taylor was on that d Rob. He was five and
he won five games, five and eleven the first year,
and then he was just hiding too. I'm just about
in fact, I'm not. But but to hold that to
make it like that that's not him, but you but
you don't want to. Yeah, he didn't have anything, but
you don't want to. But you don't want to blad
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he didn't have anything to do. I don't but you
don't want to admit the great coach, but you don't
want to admit about how big the defense is with
the Patriots. I mean, I just gave you know, you
can look at that team. The only thing I've said
is that if if I had to pick which one
was more responsible, that's it. I'm not saying the defense
wasn't great. I've actually said Belichick's to go coach. So
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but I'm saying Brady was more valuable. That's all I'm saying. Yeah,
not saying Belichick wasn't valuable. And I'm looking at when
I look at I don't. I think it's indisputable. When
I look at Belichick's record without Tom Brady, it ain't pretty.
When I look at Brady's numbers inside of Belichick, Like
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the first super Bowl they won, Tom Brady had one
one touchdown in the entire postseason. That's super Bowl Rob,
that's the first. No, I'm just giving you that's how
it won. No, no, no, no no. If that's the case,
Belichick has six super Bowls. I mean, if it's a
short man, no, he does. And I never take those
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away from me. I never. I'm just saying Brady was
more valuable. Brady went ten years when I winted a
super Bowl ten Belichick. Okay, So I mean but all
that Grady come back and you win three out, Yeah,
but defense was the reason that those three championships happened.
That's what I'm trying to tell you. Go look at
the numbers during that time and what they did. Brady
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had six game winning drives in their Super Bowls, each
of those defensive games. Just if the defense doesn't shut
the three the last three Super Bowl teams out in
the fourth quarter, it wouldn't matter, That's what But that's
what gave Brady a chance to do it is that
the defense stopped up points in the first half. No,
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but the second half was zero. You owe us in
the fourth quarter after that. Nah, but they didn't give this.
They didn't give it Land anything in a second. That's
how they were able to win. No, Brady had to
put up points. They were down twenty five. No, but
you had to stop them if they but you gotta
focus at one field goal. They would have worked with
the shutout four quarter after giving up twenty eight in
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the first two stanzas Na. That that's how That's what
you called making adjustments at the half and the safest
thing getting half for the first half they had. They
had three Super bowls where they gave up zero points
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All right, Rob, another interesting thing surrounding a quarterback out
in the NFC. Jimmy Garoppolo. And look, I'm gonna speak
for myself, but I think you agree. We get it.
He's not Aaron R. Jersey's not Steve Young, he's not
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John Elway, he's not Tom Brady. But the way they
talk about him, at least these reports robbed in his
tenure in San Francisco. Here, here's a source close to
Jason lockingfora from CBS Sports. Here's the quote about Garoppolo's
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future there because we know he's out like what the
next six weeks with the ankle high ankle sprain. Here's
the quote though from a source. It's weight and see
on his future. He's still under evaluation. It could go
in a few different directions. And is it possible he's
not the guy next year that they're saying that as
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a question, that's fair. I don't think that's lost on anybody.
Kyle Shanahan thinks he can turn almost anyone into a star.
He's had a lot of seed in the Super Bowl.
I'm sorry, Well, and he couldn't turn Nick Mullins into
a star. How about that four and twelve two years
ago without Garoppolo. He's had a lot of success with
a lot of different guys, and the salary structure on
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that team has changed dramatically the last few years. He's
not a guy who thinks he needs a thirty million
dollars a year quarterback to win. And they aren't exactly
gushing about the guy that they have now, of course,
that guy being Jimmy Garoppolo. Rob Here's what I got
to say, Jimmy Garoppolo is not chopped liver. And that's
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how some people talk about him. I get it. They
only threw the ball at eight times in the playoff
game that he won or one of them net he won.
But yeah, but that's guy was by the coverage though, right?
What was worn the ball at will? Why not? Then?
But then at the end of the Super Bowl they
didn't run the ball? Hello song, Well that's what I'm saying.
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Let's look at Kyle Shannahan. Everybody's face rid offensive genius.
Oh yeah, he's a genius. All right, genius himself out
of two Super Bowls. And you're right, and and that's
because you want to be cute. Yes, you want to
show everybody what you can do. That you started the
guy in the room. A lot of these coaches aren't
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happy just winning. And not just coaches. It's it's in
the NFL, it's in all sports. Jerry Jones don't want
to just win, Chris. He wants to win his way.
He wants to get the credit. Matt Nagy wanted to
show off all his bells and whistles, so he gets
rid of mistress Mitch Drobiski and starts Nick Foles thinking
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he's gonna be able to open it up. I'll give
you one. I remember in Detroit with the playoffs on
the line, Bill Parcels is coaching Chris, and the Jets
are at the one yard line of the line. They
need to win the game right, and he do to
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win the game first and goal at the one, run
the ball in and when they get it right, run
you know what they do. Not only does he not
run it in, he has a halfback option, Chris, where
a rookie running back throws an interception is that when
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they had Neil O'Donnell was the quarterback, was nil o'don
he was think the quarterback. That's how they lost the game. Chris,
a rookie running back at the one yard line is
throwing a halfback option. That was Bill Parcel trying to
show you that he was the smartest guy. Why why
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would you got a rookie have that that responsibility? A
veteran would know if it's not there, Chris, throw it
out a bounce, what are you doing? And of course
the greatest example is uh Seattle, Pete Carroll. Yes, Pete Carroll,
you know that team could have had Super Bowl so
back to back. You know what? That changes their legacy.
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That changes Russell Wilson, it changes Pete Carroll, It changes
the legion of boom everything. They were at the one
and a half yard line, Chris with two guns to
get in with beasts Molden with the best running back
in the league, who had over one hundred yards in
that Super Bowl game. It wasn't like he was stimied
all night. What's why. That's why I'm looking at Kyle
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Shanahan while he points the finger at Jimmy Garoppolo. I'm saying,
wait a minute. If Jimmy Garoppolo is that bad, how
did he get you six minutes away from winning the
Super Bowl? Six and a half minutes they were up
what they gave up twenty one points? They're up ten.
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They gave up twenty one points in the last eight
minutes of that game. And here's the deal, Rob, They
ran for a hundred and forty one yards on one
two carries in that game. That's Warden's six yards a pop.
And yet when it gets late and everybody talks about
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the past, Garoppolo missed to Emmanuel Sanders and I didn't
miss it. He did miss it, yes, But how about
running the football they had? Because I'm looking at the
I was looking at the play by play on this earlier.
And in the fourth quarter, they gave the ball to
Raheem Mostard and he rambled for seventeen yards. Okay, Raheem
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most goes for seventeen yards. This is with two thirty
nine left. Okay, are they still up by that point?
I believe they're still up. I can't see the score.
But and then they passed the ball like, yeah, because
my home scored, Rob g check on that. But they
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the point is they passed. That's when they started throwing
the rock and they should have been handing it off.
And I just think Rob Garoppolos twenty four and eight
as a starter that ain't chopped liver. We remember what
San Francisco was like before he got there. They were
horrible one and ten. He immediately wins his next five games,
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five straight. They give him. That's when they gave him
the big contract, made him the highest Bade quarterback in
the league. And then he what was that Rob G
that moster to carry? They were down by four points
at that they were down, Okay, they were down okay yea.
And but in that game when they had the lead,
they needed to run the footyall like they were doing.
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That was the biggest thing. And and yes, you need
Jimmy G to make a couple of passes Chris on
third down or third and long, you know what I mean,
or to get your first down to keep the clock
and the and the change moving. But but they went
away from the run and they start he started throwing
on every down. Here's what I do. Look, if you're
not they're not obviously not the highest on Jimmy git.
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What I do I keep him for next year, all right,
I keep him for next year. That's the last year
of his deal, I believe. And if you, if you,
if you get tired of him after that, then maybe
you can move on, let him go as a free agent,
or see if you can get him as a you know,
on a much of a better deal, what you view
as a better deal. But unless you have something better
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that you're definitely getting, I'm sorry. I just don't get
why they're ready to get rid of him so bad.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of The Odd
Couple with Chris Brussa and Rod Harker. The Green Bay
Packers continue to take Aaron Rodgers for granted. You have
got a legendary quarterback. You have got one of the
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five greatest to ever throw the football, whether you're ranking
in the top five or not in that category to
throw the football. He's in the top five. And you
seem to me to be content with your one super
Bowl and Rob this is the Green Bay Packers. Now,
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the young people might be like, who are they the Packers?
They're nothing special. The Green Bay Packers are one of
the flagship franchises in the NFL. The Green Bay Packers
were championship hoarders under Vince Lombardi. I know it was
ages ago, but they've got two Super Bowls in the
last fifty three years and they seem content with it,
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one with five, one with Rogers, and I say, when
you have a quarterback of this caliber, you need to
do everything you can to win now. And they don't
seem to be doing it. Rob they seem content to
be relevant playoff bound and have you know a great
quarterback that you know it's gonna get your national TV
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and people are gonna be talking about. And that's that.
I don't like it. The Green Bay Packers or whatever,
for whatever reason, this is how they operate, and it
doesn't make sense, especially the draft more so than this.
I get it, um, you know, like not wanting to
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give up a pick for a guy who could be
a free agent and could walk. So I understand that
part of it, Like it ain't like you're getting him
and he's gonna be here, you know what I mean.
And at one time, if I remember correctly, a couple
of years back, and this was this is when you
realize where the Packers are and their mindset. And remember
they're not owned buy an owner their own publicly, it's
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kind of weird. They have a chairman, do you know
what I mean? Chris is yes, like everybody owns like
they don't really technically own the team, but they have shares.
It's it's the weirdest thing in sports. So there is
no guy call in and be like, hey, I think
we should But there is no guy. Okay, you could say, hey,
the owner, make this happen for Aaron, you know what
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I mean, Jerry Jones, make this happen or or or something.
It's the GM. You know, it's the right I mean.
But they're not. Yeah, they're not. They're not held accountables.
What I'm saying to you, nobody even knows who runs
the Packers, Chris. This is what I'm saying. You can't
give me a name. I'll tell you. Anybody in NFL
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and football can't give you a name. Who do you
go to and complain? It's like a chairman of the
of the holding company. Do you know what I'm saying that?
I think that's part of it. And a couple of
years ago I remember, and I say a couple five
or six or eight years I can remember, the Packers
were the only team in the NFL where everybody on
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their roster, Chris fifty three players were all drafted by
the Green Bay Packers. Nobody had come from another organization
or another team like it was. It was unheard of,
like to having when nobody it was the Packers way
they drafted everybody you came through this them. There was
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no oh yeah, he played for the Bears or he
played for the Lions. Didn't improve the team by may
nobody just well. But but to me, right, what does
that tell you? No? But I'm just saying. I'm saying,
this is what they've done, and they need to break
away from the mole. I mean, I don't understand you
agree by premise that they're content being relevant, they're content
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being a play I don't know if they're content of
being relevant. I mean, they went to the NFC Championship game.
You would think that they would want to win. I don't.
But that's hard. It's hard for me to believe that
they went to the NFC Championship game and then drafted
three backups, their first three picks three backups, and then
at the trade deadline, when you lose two games, you
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know pretty badly. I mean, yesterday Sunday was a bad
loss because the Vikings aren't that good, and then obviously
they got hammered by Tampa Bay. Like if you're robbed,
I would think if you're that close, then you're like,
let's get that extra piece. And I just feel like
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they're content. And they may say, because you're right, they
got Aaron Rodgers, so they always have a chance a shot.
But I don't think they're putting him in the best
position to have the best shot at get into the
Super Bowl. Not well. I mean that that's the crutch
that they've had, and they've used that and they've been fortunate.
They've been fortunate that they have two legendary quarterbacks back
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to back, So so they're gonna have when you look
at it, you know, uh, twenty five or thirty years
right of two quarterbacks? Howzas quarterbacks? How many organizations can
say that? Chris like, like, seriously, you had two quarterbacks
for thirty years. I can't, honestly, I can't think of
an organization that can say it's straight right. I can't
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think of another burg You have brash Shall and then
you went through a slump, then you got Roethlisberger. But
straight great, we're only two guys, right, where two guys
will under center for luck? I mean, but it didn't
last thirty It would have, right, it would have had luck,
you know, not they would have had a shot at it, right,
But I'm just saying there aren't that many organizations that
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can do that. So I think that that that's part
of it is the crutch part. Part of it is, Wow,
we didn't get him. We didn't get him, we didn't
draft him wide receiver, and the Packers were averaging forty
points at first four games, right, whatever it was. And
this is what I'm saying. I'm not making an excuse
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for him, because I think it would have been easy.
But I'm telling you that's where their head is. Oh,
we didn't get him a guy. That's funny. We didn't
score the average thirteen points a game. We average forty points.
They scored the most points in the history of the
Packers organization through the first four games ever. Yeah, and
that no, I know, but I'm saying this is this
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is why I think that they that they that they
think that Aaron is a magician, magician and he can uh,
you know, he can make a tuna salad out of
tuna blank, you know what I mean. And this is
the problem. Yeah, because I look, Brett Farve, you mentioned it.
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Two legendary quarterbacks, Brat Farr. How many years. I mean, Rob,
g you're gonna have two supers. I mean, you know,
who know, We'll see what Rogers does. But right now,
you got two super Bowls in those twenty seven or
thirty years or whatever it is. Well, when did they
win the first When they win the first one with
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ninety something ninety eight? When did when did when was
that ninety three round ninety eight? It was somewhere since
ninety eight? They got two super Bowls? Yeah, and then
I mean, but remember they had when you and I
were coming up, the Packers weren't anything special. I'm relevant
for a lot of the you know what I mean.
They were. They were good in the fifties and sixties
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and then and then when these eighties they weren't. I
thought ninety six they won, So it was until ninety
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but the Patriots are two and five and at the bottom,
I mean, unless you count the Jets of the NF
the AFC, East just horrible. And they look like, uh,
they could be in they're in serious danger of missing
the playoffs, let's put it that way. Um, but they
don't look good. And Bill Belichick all of a sudden,
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all of a sudden, Rob Parker, Bill Belichick is chatty.
He's never been chatty throughout his entire career. Chatty dotty now, right,
Not when you won all those Super Bowls or at
least got there, Not when you were in Cleveland. That's
I was there in Cleveland, Rob. I was just a
little old high school reporter when he was playing with
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the when he was coaching the Browns, but I followed it.
And part of the reason, like the media hated him
there because he just wouldn't give him anything, you know,
and he wasn't big old Bill Belichick at that time.
I actually thought he was doing a pretty decent job.
They got mad at him because he didn't talk to
him very much, didn't give him anything. And also, you know,
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Bernie Kosars from Youngstown near uh that's northern Ohio, not
too far from Cleveland. And when he said Bernie had
diminishing skills, he was right. But nobody in Cleveland too
kindly to that except me. I was the only person
in the hole. You were hurt. I was. I was like,
he's right, Bernie, Bernie is losing it, and uh, you know,
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and he had I think he had a pretty good
year with Vinnie there that I'm not positive, but I
think that might have been the one year they made
the playoffs there. But anyway, he never been chatty. Now
all of a sudden, he is. He was on your station,
rob your favorite They love you up there at w
EI in Boston. Oh yeah, you're Brayte pay me up
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there to go out there and give him the opposite
viewpoint of time, Brady. But Belichick was on there, and
here's what he said. We take him a million dollars.
I mean, it's obviously we didn't have any money. It's
nobody's fault. That's I mean, that's what we did the
last five years. So we sold out and won three
Super Bowls, played in the fourth and playing in an
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ANFC championship game this year. We had less to work with.
It's not an excuse, it's just a fact. All right,
here's my take, Robber. And I know you want to
get in on this. Um, I get what he's saying.
And if he had a history of speaking like this,
you know, if all those years when they were great,
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he was hoping with the media and talked about the
cap and talked about you know, his own players, not
just praising the opponent, but you know he was liked this.
If he was open, then I would be like, you
know what, he's just telling the truth. But because he
was so close mouthed all those great years, because we've
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never in my recollection and I'm going back to Cleveland
heard Belichick be this open, then Rob, I can't help
but feel like it sounds like you're making excuses. All
of a sudden, the great Bill Belichick is two and
five and Tom Brady, who you seem like you didn't
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have any more use for, has gone to Tampa Bay,
and to this point he's thriving. It's only halfway through
the season, but to this point he looks like he's
thirty three rather than forty three. He also got this
same team. I mean, I know they have lost some
other players. I'll give him that. I'll be fair. They
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lost some other players to COVID, you know, decide not
to play and things like that, So I'll give him that.
But they were twelve and four last year, not really
very good, but they were twelve and four with Brady.
So I'm just saying, with all of that, in the
consideration run, it just sounds to me like he's making
excuses to cover his back. I think it's not excuse
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from this stampoint that the stuff that he talked about
was factual. I don't think that they held any money
back from cam like, oh, we don't want to pay him.
I really believe that that's what they were working with,
and he was obviously without a job, so I do
understand that part. The only thing I would say in
the Bill Belichick is this is an old saying in
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the business. You know, Bill's now saying hello when it's
time to say goodbye. You know, like like there are
people like that. He when he was winning and things
were going his way, he didn't have to say anything.
He could get away with it, and you could, you know,
you could get away with it, Chris, when you win,
and when you don't, you have to answer questions, you know,
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like it's no Mistakeue. It's just like it's hard to
press a guy who's winning championships, right, Like, what are
you gonna tell him? And what are you demanding to know?
What do you need to know? We want again? Now,
what what's the next question? You know what I mean? So, yeah,
so that that's really where he is now. And you
see this from guys who are in this situation where
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and that's what I'm talking that's the old saying about uh.
You know now you're saying when it's time to say goodbye,
you're saying hello because now things aren't going that well.
Now you got a little more time for me. Now
you want to explain a little you know what I mean.
You're going me stuff off the record right that you
never gave me before because I want to get your
narrative and your story out there. So is an excuse, No,
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it's not an excuse, but it is different and it's
self serving, Chris, it's not an excuse. They're self serving
because it's not I think what he's talking about being
all in and all that over the last few years
to be able to do what they've done. I get
all that, and the whole notion that they didn't even
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want to give Tom Brady the money, you know, like
they didn't even offer from a contract, they didn't want
to give them the money. So I don't think that
that's an excuse. But this is self serving to kind
of lay your cards on the table now when you
never did it. You always did, You always had your
cards in the hole, right, and now all of a
sudden you got them all face up and letting everybody
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see what your cards are. I think I think that's
self solved. That's my thing, Rob. I mean, what he
said is absolutely legitimate. There's no way you're sayings or
buts about that. But there are a lot of excuses
that are legitimate. You know, there's a fine line between
an excuse and an explanation. There really is, and this
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is a legitimate explanation. But the you said, because you've
never talked like this, you've never been this open. Now
it comes off like you said, self serving and like
an excuse. And Rob, I'm gonna say it, and I'm not.
You know this. You gotta give me this. This is
not a second guess. I have said all along now,
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and I've always given Belichick his credit and he is
a great coach. But I've always said it was Brady
more than Belichick. See that's where I've not been on
I've not been on defence. That's why. That's why I disagree.
When you look at their defensive and what they were.
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I'm not trying to say it was all Brady. I've
never said that. I've never taken anything away from their defense.
But I just call it like I see it. And
Brady in all six of their championships, he led game
winning drives. It may have ended in a field goal,
but you didn't start in field goal position. He led
him to field goal. But they didn't give up any
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points in the fourth quarter, but they gave up plenty
of docs before that. They stopped the Rams. That was
the fifth they Nick Foles, well, they stopped the Rams,
the fifth gradest offense in the history of the NFL,
held them to a three to three points and it
was like an eighty nine yard field goal. That's how
close they got to score it. That's all they could get.
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That was nice, But I mean, he didn't hold Nick Foles.
He certainly didn't hold that. But he's not the first
perfect though. I meant, I'm just giving you like the lesson. Yeah,
I think from him, I'm saying this to me what
we're seeing right now, and it's her. I'll admit it's
only halfway through the season, and to be honest to
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most people, this chapter will not be written this season.
Even if New England's two and fourteen and Bray he
wins the super Bowl, it won't be written for and
in fairness, it won't be written because Belichick's got who
knows how much longer he'll coach, and maybe he'll going
to win super Bowls. But I'm saying right now, the
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evidence rob a guy that's got nine super Bowl trips,
six super Bowl wins, and yet the seven seasons and
I'm not even counting this year yet the seven seasons
without Brady's got one playoff. But I just don't buy
that when you look at the team that was put
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together that he won without Brady and when he was
the defensive coordinator with the Giants that he no, no, no, no,
hold on, you just said, you just said, you just
said your peace? Can I told okay? When when they
beat the Greatest Show on Turf, they held that defense,
held that Rams team that was double digit favorites in
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the Super Bowl, Chris, they they held him the thirteen points.
So you can't act like Belichick had nothing when at
thirteen to three, no I'm talking about the rams of
the greatest show on turn in that Super Bowl, wasn't
the score? Was the score thirteen to three? No? What
super Bowl you're talking about? The last one? One? No,
the first m rob G look up that score. I
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think they scored thirteen and and and and they were
double did people had to I think they were twelve
or thirteen point favorites in that Super Bowl and his
defense shut down the greatest show on turf. They were
running over everybody. Um So, so when I look at that,
you know, it's hard for me to act like that
didn't happen. And it's and I'm not saying that Brady
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didn't have a hand. And it also one of the
one of the greatest kickers who also wasn't involved. You
could lead it if the kick, if Adam Minetary misses
three field goals, no one saying Tom Brady's the greatest
quarterback despite leading them down in position to get there,
So he had to have help. Why the defense was
a bigger part. Why Belichick being able to win with
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any other I don't know. I think that was bad.
They had a bad team in Cleveland, and he was
taking steps and they were moving forward. I think they
made the play off step and then they moved the team. Yeah,
but but in New England drew Bledsoe is not chopped liver. Yeah,
but I don't know if I don't know if he
had hold of his defense as good as as once
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he got his defense together. Man, those those defensive teams
were all I know is he was the defensive coordinator
in New York before that you talk about, and they
were they were really good under him. And then he
goes to New England and they struggled with the same
defense that was Oway defense. A lot of player Lawrence
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Taylor was on that d Rob. He was five and
he won five games, five and eleven the first year,
and then he was just hiding too. I'm just about
in fact, I'm not. But but to hold that to
make it like that that's not him, but you but
you don't want to. Yeah, he didn't have anything, but
you don't want to. But you don't want to blad
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he didn't have anything to do. I don't but you
don't want to admit the great coach, but you don't
want to admit about how big the defense is with
the Patriots. I mean, I just gave you know, you
can look at that team. The only thing I've said
is that if if I had to pick which one
was more responsible, that's it. I'm not saying the defense
wasn't great. I've actually said Belichick's to go coach. So
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but I'm saying Brady was more valuable. That's all I'm saying. Yeah,
not saying Belichick wasn't valuable. And I'm looking at when
I look at I don't. I think it's indisputable. When
I look at Belichick's record without Tom Brady, it ain't pretty.
When I look at Brady's numbers inside of Belichick, Like
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the first super Bowl they won, Tom Brady had one
one touchdown in the entire postseason. That's super Bowl Rob,
that's the first. No, I'm just giving you that's how
it won. No, no, no, no no. If that's the case,
Belichick has six super Bowls. I mean, if it's a
short man, no, he does. And I never take those
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away from me. I never. I'm just saying Brady was
more valuable. Brady went ten years when I winted a
super Bowl ten Belichick. Okay, So I mean but all
that Grady come back and you win three out, Yeah,
but defense was the reason that those three championships happened.
That's what I'm trying to tell you. Go look at
the numbers during that time and what they did. Brady
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had six game winning drives in their Super Bowls, each
of those defensive games. Just if the defense doesn't shut
the three the last three Super Bowl teams out in
the fourth quarter, it wouldn't matter, That's what But that's
what gave Brady a chance to do it is that
the defense stopped up points in the first half. No,
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but the second half was zero. You owe us in
the fourth quarter after that. Nah, but they didn't give this.
They didn't give it Land anything in a second. That's
how they were able to win. No, Brady had to
put up points. They were down twenty five. No, but
you had to stop them if they but you gotta
focus at one field goal. They would have worked with
the shutout four quarter after giving up twenty eight in
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the first two stanzas Na. That that's how That's what
you called making adjustments at the half and the safest
thing getting half for the first half they had. They
had three Super bowls where they gave up zero points
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All right, Rob, another interesting thing surrounding a quarterback out
in the NFC. Jimmy Garoppolo. And look, I'm gonna speak
for myself, but I think you agree. We get it.
He's not Aaron R. Jersey's not Steve Young, he's not
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John Elway, he's not Tom Brady. But the way they
talk about him, at least these reports robbed in his
tenure in San Francisco. Here, here's a source close to
Jason lockingfora from CBS Sports. Here's the quote about Garoppolo's
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future there because we know he's out like what the
next six weeks with the ankle high ankle sprain. Here's
the quote though from a source. It's weight and see
on his future. He's still under evaluation. It could go
in a few different directions. And is it possible he's
not the guy next year that they're saying that as
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a question, that's fair. I don't think that's lost on anybody.
Kyle Shanahan thinks he can turn almost anyone into a star.
He's had a lot of seed in the Super Bowl.
I'm sorry, Well, and he couldn't turn Nick Mullins into
a star. How about that four and twelve two years
ago without Garoppolo. He's had a lot of success with
a lot of different guys, and the salary structure on
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that team has changed dramatically the last few years. He's
not a guy who thinks he needs a thirty million
dollars a year quarterback to win. And they aren't exactly
gushing about the guy that they have now, of course,
that guy being Jimmy Garoppolo. Rob Here's what I got
to say, Jimmy Garoppolo is not chopped liver. And that's
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how some people talk about him. I get it. They
only threw the ball at eight times in the playoff
game that he won or one of them net he won.
But yeah, but that's guy was by the coverage though, right?
What was worn the ball at will? Why not? Then?
But then at the end of the Super Bowl they
didn't run the ball? Hello song, Well that's what I'm saying.
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Let's look at Kyle Shannahan. Everybody's face rid offensive genius.
Oh yeah, he's a genius. All right, genius himself out
of two Super Bowls. And you're right, and and that's
because you want to be cute. Yes, you want to
show everybody what you can do. That you started the
guy in the room. A lot of these coaches aren't
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happy just winning. And not just coaches. It's it's in
the NFL, it's in all sports. Jerry Jones don't want
to just win, Chris. He wants to win his way.
He wants to get the credit. Matt Nagy wanted to
show off all his bells and whistles, so he gets
rid of mistress Mitch Drobiski and starts Nick Foles thinking
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he's gonna be able to open it up. I'll give
you one. I remember in Detroit with the playoffs on
the line, Bill Parcels is coaching Chris, and the Jets
are at the one yard line of the line. They
need to win the game right, and he do to
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win the game first and goal at the one, run
the ball in and when they get it right, run
you know what they do. Not only does he not
run it in, he has a halfback option, Chris, where
a rookie running back throws an interception is that when
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they had Neil O'Donnell was the quarterback, was nil o'don
he was think the quarterback. That's how they lost the game. Chris,
a rookie running back at the one yard line is
throwing a halfback option. That was Bill Parcel trying to
show you that he was the smartest guy. Why why
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would you got a rookie have that that responsibility? A
veteran would know if it's not there, Chris, throw it
out a bounce, what are you doing? And of course
the greatest example is uh Seattle, Pete Carroll. Yes, Pete Carroll,
you know that team could have had Super Bowl so
back to back. You know what? That changes their legacy.
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That changes Russell Wilson, it changes Pete Carroll, It changes
the legion of boom everything. They were at the one
and a half yard line, Chris with two guns to
get in with beasts Molden with the best running back
in the league, who had over one hundred yards in
that Super Bowl game. It wasn't like he was stimied
all night. What's why. That's why I'm looking at Kyle
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Shanahan while he points the finger at Jimmy Garoppolo. I'm saying,
wait a minute. If Jimmy Garoppolo is that bad, how
did he get you six minutes away from winning the
Super Bowl? Six and a half minutes they were up
what they gave up twenty one points? They're up ten.
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They gave up twenty one points in the last eight
minutes of that game. And here's the deal, Rob, They
ran for a hundred and forty one yards on one
two carries in that game. That's Warden's six yards a pop.
And yet when it gets late and everybody talks about
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the past, Garoppolo missed to Emmanuel Sanders and I didn't
miss it. He did miss it, yes, But how about
running the football they had? Because I'm looking at the
I was looking at the play by play on this earlier.
And in the fourth quarter, they gave the ball to
Raheem Mostard and he rambled for seventeen yards. Okay, Raheem
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most goes for seventeen yards. This is with two thirty
nine left. Okay, are they still up by that point?
I believe they're still up. I can't see the score.
But and then they passed the ball like, yeah, because
my home scored, Rob g check on that. But they
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the point is they passed. That's when they started throwing
the rock and they should have been handing it off.
And I just think Rob Garoppolos twenty four and eight
as a starter that ain't chopped liver. We remember what
San Francisco was like before he got there. They were
horrible one and ten. He immediately wins his next five games,
(29:24):
five straight. They give him. That's when they gave him
the big contract, made him the highest Bade quarterback in
the league. And then he what was that Rob G
that moster to carry? They were down by four points
at that they were down, Okay, they were down okay yea.
And but in that game when they had the lead,
they needed to run the footyall like they were doing.
(29:45):
That was the biggest thing. And and yes, you need
Jimmy G to make a couple of passes Chris on
third down or third and long, you know what I mean,
or to get your first down to keep the clock
and the and the change moving. But but they went
away from the run and they start he started throwing
on every down. Here's what I do. Look, if you're
not they're not obviously not the highest on Jimmy git.
(30:06):
What I do I keep him for next year, all right,
I keep him for next year. That's the last year
of his deal, I believe. And if you, if you,
if you get tired of him after that, then maybe
you can move on, let him go as a free agent,
or see if you can get him as a you know,
on a much of a better deal, what you view
as a better deal. But unless you have something better
(30:28):
that you're definitely getting, I'm sorry. I just don't get
why they're ready to get rid of him so bad.
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