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Day two in full swing. Uh couple of the games
of course, Milwaukee losing tool Orlando. What did you make
of that? H Was that earth shadowing? Is? Is the
sky falling on Milwaukee? Is this gonna be it? They're
gonna get knocked out? Of the playoffs by Miami now,
I mean by Orlando, by Miami now that now you're
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in on something that was a Fordy and slip right, Yeah,
I think you're on something there, but by by Orlando. No,
but the takeaway for me, and we talked about it
with any Good Well a couple of hours ago, Milwaukee
does not have a guy. That is like, when we
look at the top teams in the league, are the
teams that even if look at the restart, the top
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teams during the restart, right, they're mostly dominated by guys
who are going shot creators, you go and get their
own shot. And while Yannis is unique and has the
ability to get to the bucket at almost any minute
and almost anyway which way he wants, to the other guys,
the hard Ends, the Donchets, the the Lebrons, the Devin Bookers,
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the Lillards, these guys all have an ability to step back,
sidestep and do another thing to get that jumper off.
Jannis doesn't have that, and the Milwaukee doesn't have that,
doesn't have a player. So what do you try to
say though? What was that? What are you saying had
they had one of the bed the best record in
the league. And that's all the midwauke because it all
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you can run that whole system deal, all well and
good during the regular season. They went to the conference
finals last year. That didn't count. No, No, I'm not
saying they're a bad team. Yannie is the MVP. But
I mean, but what I'm saying is without that guy,
or without a guy who can do that at times,
a guy with ten seconds left in his shot clock,
you're worried about him scoring on you in any kind
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of way. I'm not gonna take them seriously as a
championship contender. I understand they had the best record in
the East and then went to the conference finals last year.
But if you ask me, I think that both. I
think that uh, you know, probably not with Gordon Hegwart's
ankle anymore, Boston had a good shot at being better
than them. Miami's better than them right now, and I'm
sticking with people are just panicking. I remember Milwaukee won
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the first two games of the series against Toronto and
still wound up losing in the Eastern Conference finals. So
I'm not gonna be borried. You gotta be the team
four times Orlando might have played its best game. I
get through the first round without they'll get through the
first round without a problem. But when we're talking about
the Eastern Conference and teams like Milwaukee, we're not talking
about just the first round, right. I'm just I still
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I like what they do. I think they always going
to be underestimated because they don't have that second big start.
But Jannie is that guy. They'll get it together. The
other game that just ended, which was a little bit
of a surprise, no Westbrook and no problem for Houston.
They win easily, one twenty three, one oh eight. What
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do you make of that? You know, everybody was random
raving about Okay See and what Chris Paul had done
with that franchise that was supposed to crawl under a
rock after trading Westbrook, right, they were gonna start all
over and change it all up, and nobody expected anything,
but people had some hope for Okay See. Now, I
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had some hopes for Okay See today. And if you
look at my at my betting account, you can see
that my hopes were not fulfilled. But as I sit
here and think about it, see Robin or you're not
a super I know you. I know you guys gamble
Chicken Wings. But when you're gambling money, there's sometimes this
feeling that you'll have as soon as the game tips off,
it'd be like, damn, I shouldn't have done that. And
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as and I was thinking the whole time, I'm like,
you know what, Oklahoma City, I'm more so thinking Houston.
No Hardened, I mean, no Westbrook, rather Harden in the playoffs,
all this is gonna you know, we've seen this movie before,
and we have seen that movie before, but this is
a different This is a whole different vibe when the
bubble with the and I realize immediately is like, I
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don't think that you can necessarily assign the Houston Rockets
playoffs struggles in the past to this level of Houston
Rockets because the playoffs are different, not that the team
is different, but the playoffs in the way that they
would have to structure a way that to do things
are different. And it's giving me a lot of casts
for concern for everybody else, because I think, if you
have what's what's the knock that you've always heard about
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hard and runs out of gas? Well, he had five
months to do nothing. Besides, you saw the pictures. He
was a climbing mountain to knock cutting and getting his
hair cut throughout throughout the pandemic. So he's he's in
great shape, he looks he looks slimmer than he has
in the past. He looks great right now, even without Westbrook.
I mean, it was great tonight, all right. But the
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big game, of course, is coming up, gonna tip off
pretty soon here Portland and the Lakers. That's the one there,
Martin that I really want to dive into. And uh,
is this a legacy? Is this a legacy kind of series?
And what I mean by it? I know you say, well,
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first round series, how can that be legacy? Uh? All
the rave has been about Damian Lillard and what he's
been able to do in the bubble and how great
he's been in all the big games. A lot of
people were picking Portland to upset the Lakers. Obviously from
the lebron side. He can't afford to have the best
record in the West. Have Anthony Davis and get upset
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in the first round. It would be embarrassing. Look at
the legacies of both and if Damian Lillard was able
to do it, uh and and and win this series,
would people go wait a minute, this dude maybe took
another step. I know it's the first round and ain't
like the Western Conference finals, but to the eat a
team with Anthony Davis and Lebron James. What would that
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say about Damian Lillard. I think he said, I mean
to me, it wouldn't. I would say, Damian Lillard to me,
is a player that he when he when the moment
comes up. Honestly, if he's equally yoked, if he has
a shot, then he's not a player. I think I
put it like this. I think NBA history would be
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erocably different had Kevin Durant decided to go to the
Pacific Northwest instead of going to San Francisco and Golden State.
I really do think that if I think if Kevin
Durant had gone and played the wing in Portland, people
will be talking about Damian Lillard are the same way
they talking about Steph Curry. And that's as in Portland
is what it is and Golden State is what they are.
But but but they'll say this, and I get all that.
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But I did see Alan Iverson go look at that
roster with Larry Brown got to the NBA Finals. One
game one of the finals against the Lakers. I saw that,
and I saw Charles Barkley, you know, also to take
a team to the finals. And what I'm saying is
they might have won a championship, but but they led
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their team to a championship. Last year, there was there
was a chance for for Portland once they'd beat Denver
in Game seven. They got to the Western Conference finals,
and if you remember, they got swept and Durant didn't
even play. So all I'm saying this is it's kind
of like a Toronto Raptors thing from the year before.
I'm not saying that the Trail Leaders are as good
as the Raptors were, but the Raptors' biggest problem in
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the playoffs going into up until winning the championship in
recent history was they ran into Lebron. It wasn't that
they weren't able to get through the get over the
hump or whatever. They kept running into Lebron. They meant
the last couple of years, it's just ran into the Warriors. Now,
I think, if anything, this day, I think this series
says more about Lebron than anybody because I think if
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this series shows to be a problem for the Lakers
in general, because it should not be a problem for
the Lakers in general. Right, I think Lillard should get off,
but the Lakers should be able to handle the Terriblazers
with relative ease. Some some people I've even heard say
that Damian Lillard is better than Kyrie Irvin, which I
just I do not co sign that whatsoever. Look, Kyrie
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won a championship. Kyrie averaged twenty eight points in the
finals against the Warriors, a loaded team, and and I
knew as soon as he was gone, Cleveland wound up
getting swept the next year. Right without Kyrie, they only
won one game the year that they lost to Golden State.
But but they did come back. Kyrie was a big
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part of that. I know people talk about Kyrie and
him getting hurt all the time in this and that
he's not a leader or whatever. He's better than Damian Lillard.
I'm gonna talking about just putting up points. That guy
makes big shots. I've seen him do it. I would
take him any day. If you haven't in a big game,
I'm give me Damian Lillard. And I'll tell you this,
if you haven't seen Damien Lilard take big shots, it's
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just because you can't stay up late enough to watch
Portland play. I mean like Dade three for seventeen in
Game seven last year against Denver. That is that the
game you're talking about? Here you go, No, I'm talking
I'm talking about what game. He's broken up several franchises
he started, He's he broke up the whole Oklahoma City Thunder.
But I mean the idea that Damian Lillard is something
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not not a clutch performer or not a start than
Kyrie has champion. Absolutely listen, if you, oh my goodness,
if you put Damian Lillard next to the best player
of the big shot to win it, dam y No,
if that Kyrie made a game winning three and done
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on the three to one come back. I means, but
Damian Lillard's team since he got drafted and they got
rid of and they moved on from LaMarcus Aldridge. Kyrie
had his old team in Boston last year name meet
a big shots that the name me their success. But
he had a big shot. Damien hasn't made one, got
his team up talking about on a final stage because
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he hasn't got here. I'm wait a minute, just to
same one. I'm gonna tell you that I'm not you
could score all the points. When you're on teams, guys
have to score. Someone's gonna score the points. It's about winning.
It's always about winning. So early to discount what Kywee
did with Lebron, you're crazy. Just a few weeks ago,
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I wasn't listening, but I'm sure you were saying, and
how the Clippers were right to make fun of Damian
Lillard for the day time and the choking of the
free throws, and and you know, dad, miss um, he's
supposed to be this starts the mist free throw. The
reason why it was funny, The reason why it's a
joke is because he they know Paul George is the
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one with the with the look on his face saying, damn,
where am I supposed to go? Now? Oh, back on
the plane to Oklahoma City? Because you sent me home
from Portland? Bat I mean Patrick Beverley was in Houston.
Mark sent him home. No, he sent him home. I
re sent the Warriors home after being up three to one.
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How are you kidding me? He's a part of one
of the greatest comeback in the history of the NBA. Absolutely,
and he wasn't on the bandwagon. He wasn't in the back.
He was helped driving the bandwagon. No, he made the bag.
You're right, hetwagon. He was definitely strongly in the passenger seat. However,
Damian Lillard has been piloting the plane for the Portland
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Trailblazers since he landed in Portland. You gotta win something.
I'm sorry, just scoring points. No, he's not doing me.
You know Whatno, Shannon Sharp best something to say about
people like you, because it's people like you. The reason
why Draymond Green could go on TV and say he
bettered at Charles Barkley because he got rained because I'm
not there. No, No, because he doesn't want up Charles Barkley.
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So that's not the case. But that charl didn't win
a championship that he gotta win something? Has he won?
He's ended several playoffs for you last year, Kawhi Leonard
because he bounced it around a few times against Philadelphia
and went in. I'll tell that was that was that
was his market. I was just coming out he's a superstar.
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Of course, Toronto's gonna win the finals. Now did you
see that shot? That doesn't mean that we're gonna win
the finals. They were down too low in the in
the Eastern Conference Finals. Do you remember that to Milwaukee
and won four straight. Everybody keeps talking about that they
were down to all and came back in one, and
you gotta give Kawhi credit for what he's able to do.
My point is it's gotta be about winning as well,
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not just scoring points. I'm not saying he's a bomber.
He's not a good player, but I refuse to buy
into that. Am I missing something that the big playoff moments.
It's not like he's playing for the Orlando Magic, who
just had their biggest playoff moments since Dwight Howard had
a roster. I had a jersey on this Damian and
the last ten years and last five years had significant
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playoff moments. I say he's never won anything? Is I mean? Yeah,
he's never won a tie at all. He's ever won
a championship. But again that's where you get the Jamond
Green's the best power forward of all time? Or you've
got all the rings all right? Eight seven seven ninety nine?
Off Fox? What do you say? Is Damian Lillard better
than Kyrie Irvin? Am I missing something? Or or you're
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with Martin Weiss on this eight seven seven nine nine
six sixty three sixty nine. Definitely want to hear about this.
As Damian Lillard has this big series against Lebron and
the Lakers. I want to see him man up and
upset the Western Conference leaders, the Los Angeles Lakers here
in this first round playoff eight seven, seven ninety nine.
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I know Everybody's a prisoner of the moment. Damian Lillard's
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been the talk of the bubble. Oh my god, he's
the X. He's he's all that and a bag of chips.
Martin Weiss has gone off his rocker. He's calling Damien
a little bit better than Kyrie Irving. I just can't
get there. Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. We
want to hear from you. Let's go to Robbing, Pa.
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You're on a couple of Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, who's
up regards what's happening? Yeah, who's up? Rob? Meet my
brother in name. But all right, I just got to
disagree with you, rab Damian Little is a leader, and
Kyrie Irvin is robbing. And every time I really had
to lead his team, he messed it up, screwed it up.
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Who wonder who who knock down the big shot to
knock down the Golden State Warriors, and and and engineer
three to one comeback Robin grob He didn't engineer that.
Lebrown led the team and the other team in every
single statistical guest, what did kywe average that in this
series twenty eight pol ain't stopping Damian. Damian averages more
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than that without Lebron. It ain't about averaging points and
somebody has to score the points without Lebron. That that
is not true. That is not true. That when go back,
go back to the beginning when he started there, when
when hey, when workmen were uh uh was hurt to
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start the season that Kyrie was in Boston. Go back
and look they started out like seventeen and two or
whatever the record was, and that he hurt. Thing went south.
But don't tell me that they were great with Kyrie
to start it when he got to Boston eight seven,
seven ninety nine. Fix, you guys have revisionist history. Chris
and Tucson. You're on the odd couple on Fox Sports
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Radio speaking of her revision history. Rob Parker's teaching the
class on let me turn this down. First of all, Martin,
you bring up really good points. Uh. Lillard is a
great scorer. He has sent teams home packing. Um, You're right,
he is is unbelievable, and I think he'll probably end
up probably outscoring Kyrie when it's when it's all said
and done, but I gotta agree with my golden girl
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brother from another that's right. Rob is right, because look
at guys, there's just something different about Kyrie. I want
to see him stay healthy. Yeah he's a prima donna,
but hey, he's the greatest ball handler the game's ever seen.
I believe, I believe he's the best finisher at the
basket the game. I've never seen anybody finish better at
the basket than Kywe are never And Rob is right, Martin,
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I hate to say it. Rings in this one down, three,
one clutch, Kyrie just has that it factor. Both Hall
of famers gimme Kyrie all day. Yeah. You know, something
different is about Kyrie. He's a weirdo. That's just something
different about him. He's a weirdo. Want him to be.
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But we're going to a team to connect with all
these five guys. It's like the first caller said, to
go back, Robin, go back to the start of the
season with Boston when he first got there and they
were seventeen and two or three whatever, go back and
go look at how well that team was playing. We're
starting with season ookay, we're talking about the playoffs. We're
talking about, you're talking about he's ever won anything. And
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then you're gonna talk about the first twenty games and
win you Hey, let's talk to somebody. He was a
part of a three to one comeback the only time
in NBA history. Let's talk to somebody that matter. Well,
and then you're on the od couple of Fox Sports Radio. Hey,
what's going on? Hey, Rob Parker Man, I'm like Stephen,
They jammin bro they got a man. First of all,
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First of all, if you want to talk about ky Reeve,
talk about him. Can't make make a five hundred rock
team and even go to the playoffs. They may have
the greatest player on the on the planet. Okay. And
then what you want to say seventeen and two, like
that's the first part of the season. Okay, But but
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we talk about Harden came last in the playoffs. But
you're talking about the first No, But I'm talking about
Kyrie has won. Did you watch when the average twenty
eight Birds against the Warriors. Don't give me that Lebron
didn't make that three? Remade that three, remade that three
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and the next no. The next year without Kyrie, you
know what Lebron played the Warriors again, and guess what happened.
They got swept after they after they lost four to one.
They got swept without Kyrie. So don't give me that.
Don't act like Kyrie didn't have a factor. You're making it.
You're making it like Kywee was only all Lebron James's coattails.
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You're crazy. Of course Kyrie was a factor, but Lebron
was the biggest factor. That's the whole What happened when
Kyrie was going? Why did he get swept if he
was the biggest factor, because they were in the finals.
If if Lebrons there, they wouldn't even been in the
finals again, swept, they would have been said they at home, Phil,
Virginia Beach. You're on the Old Couple Sports Radio. Oh,
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this is Rob being ridiculous again. Before all of that,
a shout out Alan Iverson from the seven five seven
where I'm from. He was the best finisher at the rim. So, nah,
not better than Kyrie. I mean, Kyrie can't even stay
in the league. He's been on how many three teams now?
The only one that championship because of Lebron. They got
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they almost got swepting. You kid yourself you didn't watch
that championship at all. You know you're not. I don't
even know what you're talking about. Watch at all. He
averaged twenty eight points in that Don't don't tell me
it was because of Lebron. You you must be crazy.
Lebron elevates people, Kyrie takes people down. And who made
the bitch shot wouldn't matter who made it? Was it
Kyrie Lebron who made it? He made one shot in
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this whole career to a right for Look, hey, Phil,
to your point, if Jayson Tatum was on the Portland
Turblazers right now, they wouldn't be six and a half
point underdogs. I don't know that much like Jason. Kyrie,
like Lebron, makes the players running better. So this is
Damian Lillard. Kyrie does not. How are college football teams
adjusting his students on campus? Bruce Feldman from The Athletic
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He joins us next here on The Odd Couple. First,
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Let's switch to a little college football. Bruce Feldman as
a reporter at Fox Sports and FS one. I'm also
a writer for The Athletic Bruce. Welcome to the Odd Couple.
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How are you. I'm doing well. Good. Good to be
on with you, guys, appreciate it. Bruce helped me with
the college football. Is this going to happen? I guess.
But before we get there, let me go to the
Big Ten. I guess parents and coaches are still trying
to see if they're going to reverse the decision or
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change their mind or somehow. When they got a petition
going and parents are writing letters, what are the chances
of the Big Ten reversing its decision. I think it's
a real long shot, just because for them to have
made this decision at this point, for the university presidents,
certainly for Kevin Warren, who's the first time still new
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commissioner of the Big Ten. I just don't see how
they would go back on this. There's a lot of pressure, certainly,
not only you mentioned the players and the petition. Tom Mars,
who's a real powerful attorney in nca circles, as really
a driving force behind this. You've seen a lot of coaches,
whether it's a Ryan Day or a James Franklin or
Jim Harbaugh or certainly Scott Frost from Nebraska, all of
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them have really spoken out to back their players, and
really I think what they're looking for is give us
more of an explanation of what went into this decision.
And to be honest, I think that's the part where
Kevin Warren and the Big Ten have really really just
dropped the ball with this. Like Bruce, Bruce, this mounting
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thing is you mean the NCAA canceled Division two and
three football and the Ivy League and all these other places.
But nobody understands why the Big Ten, why does Division
one was given a pass? I mean, I don't even
when you say they haven't given them a reason. It's
called coronavirus and the possibility of students football players contracting
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it and maybe making schools liable down the road. You
don't think that's a good reason, or people don't understand
that I'm missing something. Well, I think the question is
going to be, how come the SEC, the ACC, and
the Big twelve have chosen to hold off on making
that determination, whereas the Big Can and the PAC twelve
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I've already made that determination. I think that's the biggest
challenge there is. That's what they want to know now.
I think what you're saying. I think if Kevin Warren
had come out and said, listen, because the athletic we
had reported that there are more than the ten cases
related to heart issues stemming from covid is, they had
talked about that. If they had talked about even some
of the issues that the PAC twelve had talked about
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related to trying to get up to ramp up their
testing to the point where they're not at that point,
I think those are the things that would be real concerns.
But again, they offered no detail, and I think that's
the part that I think it's left people scratching their heads. Now, Bruce,
on the football side of this, what's the fallout of
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guys who I mean, you heard Saban talk about it,
just earlier this week about uh, you know, the spring
season guys who would be opting out and trying to
go then with NFL grade to be opting out just
preparing for the draft, what's the fall out if Big
ten football doesn't happen and other SEC football does, of
guys transferring of how does that affect you know, programs
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and players. I think that would be a real concern. Look,
I think it's certainly be a real concern to me.
The biggest issue where as it relates to like a
spring season though, really is how do you manage it
from a wellness standpoint where you're talking about a physical toll.
I don't think you know, yeah, it's going to it
would be a problem if you're Nick Saving, It'll be
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a problem with your Dabos Sweeney, if your problem, if
you're if you're a Ryan Day. Most schools are not
going to lose many players because the reality is they
you know, where are these guys gonna go. They're gonna
go get ready for the drafts as undrafted free agent
taliber guys. I mean they don't most of them don't
have the film for them to say, Okay, the NFL
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can evaluate me I based off of this. This is different,
I think than having guys say, you know what, I
do not feel safe or comfortable in playing college football
in this environment. If they're saying I'm going to make
the calculated business business decision, I'm going to rest on
my film, I think that's the part where there's going
to be some people either getting really bad advice or
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making a determination that maybe it's just not being realistic.
Our guest is Bruce Feldman, reporter for Fox Sports FS
one and a writer at The Athletic Bruce helped me
at North Carolina the classes. They had an outbreak, a
cluster of a coronavirus big time on campus, and they've,
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you know, just started school. They were only there for
five days and announced that all undergraduate courses would be
moving online. My question is, how are football players sent
home the way that the other student body is sent home?
Aren't they students? Yeah? That is definitely the rub and
I think you would get probably some ads if you
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were to Maybe they wouldn't say it on the record,
but I think there are a lot of ads who
would say, listen, take all your classes online, don't go
near campus. It's you know that that would be the
closest they can have to having a bubble for college football.
And then it gets into the issue of are they employees. Obviously,
the NCA has fought really hard to make sure that
determination hasn't happened for all sorts of reasons. But that
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is the area right now we're in because we're talking
about massive amounts of revenue, huge TV contracts, and that's
what the football players, that's what they're they're tied to
here in terms of this and this argument about are
they employees or not? And you know you're what you're
saying is at the core of that. And I think, look,
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there's probably some schools, if Notre Dame, because Notre Dame
had has had some significant numbers surge in the past
few days, Notre Dame has thought about possibly sending their
students home. I think if Notre Dame was that direction,
I'm not sure that they would have kept going with
football at that point if they were to make that distinction.
Some other schools I think are probably I don't say
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they're more comfortable with it, but they're probably more willing
to tow that line is than maybe some other places are. Now.
Bruce taking a class. Excuse me, how much different would
an online experience be for a college athlete already, because
from my understanding, at college football player is taking a
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significant number of classes online in a traditional college season.
In general, they are. I think it's the idea that
that's all that would be what everyone is doing, because
I think that is a reality of a lot of
a lot of quote unquote student athletes. You look at
Joe Burrow as a grad student. I mean, I think
he was there because it was the opportunity to go
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play college football at the highest level, and the opportunity
to play we'd already had his degree. I think you
see that with a lot grad transfers for sure. I
mean what we're seeing. And I don't want to say
that the entire system of college athletics has been built
on a farce, because I don't think. I think that
does a disservice to a lot of college players who
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have worked really hard and go through the education process
and they definitely benefit it from it. But there is
an element that in terms of the structure about how
it's created, where I think there's a farcical nature of it,
and I think that's been a reality for a long time.
We did a story in the Applanet. I think I
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did it a week and a half ago talking to
a coach at the FCS level who talked about that
and the gap of it and went into great detail,
went on the record about it, and I think it
was pretty eye opening because you had a lot of
people who said what that guy said I totally agree with.
And a lot of that stuff is coming out now
and being brought to the forefront because of all sorts
of issues either directly related to dealing with a pandemic
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or not at all related, but just just coming out
because of everything else that is tied together to the pandemic.
And I just I just think about it because I
graduated from University of Michigan, which has, oh my goodness,
excuse me, which has big football aspirations obviously, and hasn't
reached the pinnacle of what Michigan fans would expect in
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the last couple of years or last you know, since. However,
the last couple of years since the Luisi I was
trying to do. I realized midway through I had almost
put the cord in the jukebox, and I thought I
could pull it out in time. That's why I saw,
That's why I stumbled. But uh, it's just quick. We
only got we have less than a minute, Bruce, go ahead. Oh,
I was just gonna say, it just seems like, to
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his point that it's the big levels of college football
that seemed to have the farcical nature of it, whereas
like the smaller the smaller schools where it's you can
really go and get an education. But at Michigan the
schools like that, those guys weren't also students. There were
athletes first and foremost, and students was an afterthought. And
I'm I don't I don't mean to cut Bruce off
for the rest of his point. I'm sorry you cut
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out on me a little bit there. Say that again. Oh,
I was just saying, like I think, to your point
of D don't want to say the whole college football
is all of college sports are a farce. I think
what it shows is schools like the Clemsons, the Alabama's,
the Michigan's, the schools that are really profiting off the
athletes versus the schools that are that are hollse athletics
are more of a enriching part of something that a
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student may actually be a part of whereas like like
a guy like me, I had no shot of being
a Michigan athlete. No, but I think that. I think
it's a different structure right now. But again I think
there are there are student athletes who can benefit. It's
not like it's mutually exclusive. But I just think the
way it's structured right now, the money has gotten so big,
whether it's the TV contracts or the coaches salaries, everything,
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and that's the part where they get squeezed, no doubt.
All Right, Hey, Bruce, thanks for the knowledge. We'll appreciate you,
my man. Stay safe, Thank you, Take care of guys.
All right. Bruce Feldman, of course, reported with Fox Sports
FS one and a writer for The Athletic. All right,
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for some call? All right, let's let's get going. Let's
start with a mir and Philly. You're on the odd
couple of Fox Sports Radio. Mer, who are you trashing? Yeah,
I'm sorry, but I gotta trash your boy Kyrie, And
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I'm sorry Rob Winners try with you. Have You've been
covering the NBA four for thirty years eighteen eighty seven, Rob,
the Cavis Digget swept the next year. But you forgot
one thing. Kyrie was on that team. Next year they went,
they lost two to one, they lost four to one,
(34:35):
and then the next year they got swept. Yeah, that's
a gentleman spect. So your boy meant one game in
the fighting. They got to the fighting, you thought in
the next year, and that Brooklyn team earlier in the year.
We need to trade everybody. This isn't gonna be enough.
This is enough. Have you seen what they've been doing
in the bubble? You? Yeah? And then two the leaves
a suffing. They get better. Every team get doing and
(34:58):
don't play they get He really tried to trade Characa
Burton everybody. Have you seen what they did in the boat?
Actually a leader like Damian Lillard, he wouldn't be in
the spirit day. The Celtics wouldn't have got rid of
you because they look better without him. The next woldn't
looked better without you. He needs a batman, he needs
a Kevin Durant. My man, all right, o man, you right,
(35:24):
you're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio, Tony, who
you trashing? All? Hey? What's up? Rob? What's up? I'm
trashing the Los Angeles Clippers. How in the world do
they have the best wing defenders? Every time I turn around,
they getting cooked for forty somebody said in the all
time NBA record they might have the best wing dinners.
Paul Arts has had more surgeries than Patient X and
(35:49):
his decrepit kneeds. He got an injury that has the
same name as an entree at the Italian rest restaurant
called Olive Garden when you go there, and the way
to ask you what you want telling you won't Quadra
accepts TENDERNI how about poodles? Shot coined the playest Broaco chicken.
(36:10):
I'm coining the priest Burt poodle. Wow? All right? John?
In North Carolina, you're in the couple of Fox Sports Ready,
who are you trashing? I gotta trash the NF Double
A and all these conferences. I don't understand how this.
I don't understand how college the athletics got this big,
(36:31):
made this amount of money and there's not one governing body.
The inter double A can't control the conferences. The players
can only receive an education and possibly get drafted. But
in double make money off of them. The colleges make
money off of them, The conversations make money off of them.
But they can't get any insurances about playing football. They
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can't capitalize on that likeness right now? Nothing? All right,
there you go, John, appreciate the kyote. In Oklahoma, you're
in the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. Who you trashing? Man?
I hate to do it, but I got a trash
parker of you trash talk. Rob parker Man, Rob park Opinion,
you're acting nine opinion about Kyrie versus Dame. Doesn't make
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any sense anytime you're arguing for a dude who's only
been a robin his whole life. You can't argue for
this guy. God's never been the top player on a
top tier team. He's only been a dude as a
side piece. I can't. I'm not gonna go to bat
for my side piece. I'm going with my lady, all right.
(37:36):
How about Ralph Irvin in Sherman Oaks. I think I
know this guy. You're the odd couple Fox Sports radier.
Who are you trashing? Well, you'll be trashing too once
I tell you this, because the Texas Rangers tweeted this
out today after losing to San Diego six four. It
shows the score, and that just says not today, trolls,
not today, no responses allowed. So they turtle up after yesterday,
(38:01):
After yesterday, now they did. Now they told that players
not to say anything. The entire organization said, We're not
going to take responses for you guys trashing our organization anymore.
That's unbelievable. How weak is that that is? I just
want to know what you have to say about Kyrie
Dick gracing Irvin Dick Grayson never made the game winning
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three to win a championship and average twenty eight points
against arguably one of the greatest teams ever assembled where
averaged twenty eight points, so that that whole narrative is
false and phony and fake. And I'm just gonna say, Martin,
wife's nice job, thanks for filling in for Thank you,
no doubt. Tomorrow, Jonas Knox is in for Chris Bussar,
(38:45):
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(01:09):
Day two in full swing. Uh couple of the games
of course, Milwaukee losing tool Orlando. What did you make
of that? H Was that earth shadowing? Is? Is the
sky falling on Milwaukee? Is this gonna be it? They're
gonna get knocked out? Of the playoffs by Miami now,
I mean by Orlando, by Miami now that now you're
(01:32):
in on something that was a Fordy and slip right, Yeah,
I think you're on something there, but by by Orlando. No,
but the takeaway for me, and we talked about it
with any Good Well a couple of hours ago, Milwaukee
does not have a guy. That is like, when we
look at the top teams in the league, are the
teams that even if look at the restart, the top
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teams during the restart, right, they're mostly dominated by guys
who are going shot creators, you go and get their
own shot. And while Yannis is unique and has the
ability to get to the bucket at almost any minute
and almost anyway which way he wants, to the other guys,
the hard Ends, the Donchets, the the Lebrons, the Devin Bookers,
(02:16):
the Lillards, these guys all have an ability to step back,
sidestep and do another thing to get that jumper off.
Jannis doesn't have that, and the Milwaukee doesn't have that,
doesn't have a player. So what do you try to
say though? What was that? What are you saying had
they had one of the bed the best record in
the league. And that's all the midwauke because it all
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you can run that whole system deal, all well and
good during the regular season. They went to the conference
finals last year. That didn't count. No, No, I'm not
saying they're a bad team. Yannie is the MVP. But
I mean, but what I'm saying is without that guy,
or without a guy who can do that at times,
a guy with ten seconds left in his shot clock,
you're worried about him scoring on you in any kind
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of way. I'm not gonna take them seriously as a
championship contender. I understand they had the best record in
the East and then went to the conference finals last year.
But if you ask me, I think that both. I
think that uh, you know, probably not with Gordon Hegwart's
ankle anymore, Boston had a good shot at being better
than them. Miami's better than them right now, and I'm
sticking with people are just panicking. I remember Milwaukee won
(03:24):
the first two games of the series against Toronto and
still wound up losing in the Eastern Conference finals. So
I'm not gonna be borried. You gotta be the team
four times Orlando might have played its best game. I
get through the first round without they'll get through the
first round without a problem. But when we're talking about
the Eastern Conference and teams like Milwaukee, we're not talking
about just the first round, right. I'm just I still
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I like what they do. I think they always going
to be underestimated because they don't have that second big start.
But Jannie is that guy. They'll get it together. The
other game that just ended, which was a little bit
of a surprise, no Westbrook and no problem for Houston.
They win easily, one twenty three, one oh eight. What
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do you make of that? You know, everybody was random
raving about Okay See and what Chris Paul had done
with that franchise that was supposed to crawl under a
rock after trading Westbrook, right, they were gonna start all
over and change it all up, and nobody expected anything,
but people had some hope for Okay See. Now, I
(04:27):
had some hopes for Okay See today. And if you
look at my at my betting account, you can see
that my hopes were not fulfilled. But as I sit
here and think about it, see Robin or you're not
a super I know you. I know you guys gamble
Chicken Wings. But when you're gambling money, there's sometimes this
feeling that you'll have as soon as the game tips off,
it'd be like, damn, I shouldn't have done that. And
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as and I was thinking the whole time, I'm like,
you know what, Oklahoma City, I'm more so thinking Houston.
No Hardened, I mean, no Westbrook, rather Harden in the playoffs,
all this is gonna you know, we've seen this movie before,
and we have seen that movie before, but this is
a different This is a whole different vibe when the
bubble with the and I realize immediately is like, I
(05:11):
don't think that you can necessarily assign the Houston Rockets
playoffs struggles in the past to this level of Houston
Rockets because the playoffs are different, not that the team
is different, but the playoffs in the way that they
would have to structure a way that to do things
are different. And it's giving me a lot of casts
for concern for everybody else, because I think, if you
have what's what's the knock that you've always heard about
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hard and runs out of gas? Well, he had five
months to do nothing. Besides, you saw the pictures. He
was a climbing mountain to knock cutting and getting his
hair cut throughout throughout the pandemic. So he's he's in
great shape, he looks he looks slimmer than he has
in the past. He looks great right now, even without Westbrook.
I mean, it was great tonight, all right. But the
(05:56):
big game, of course, is coming up, gonna tip off
pretty soon here Portland and the Lakers. That's the one there,
Martin that I really want to dive into. And uh,
is this a legacy? Is this a legacy kind of series?
And what I mean by it? I know you say, well,
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first round series, how can that be legacy? Uh? All
the rave has been about Damian Lillard and what he's
been able to do in the bubble and how great
he's been in all the big games. A lot of
people were picking Portland to upset the Lakers. Obviously from
the lebron side. He can't afford to have the best
record in the West. Have Anthony Davis and get upset
(06:40):
in the first round. It would be embarrassing. Look at
the legacies of both and if Damian Lillard was able
to do it, uh and and and win this series,
would people go wait a minute, this dude maybe took
another step. I know it's the first round and ain't
like the Western Conference finals, but to the eat a
team with Anthony Davis and Lebron James. What would that
(07:04):
say about Damian Lillard. I think he said, I mean
to me, it wouldn't. I would say, Damian Lillard to me,
is a player that he when he when the moment
comes up. Honestly, if he's equally yoked, if he has
a shot, then he's not a player. I think I
put it like this. I think NBA history would be
(07:25):
erocably different had Kevin Durant decided to go to the
Pacific Northwest instead of going to San Francisco and Golden State.
I really do think that if I think if Kevin
Durant had gone and played the wing in Portland, people
will be talking about Damian Lillard are the same way
they talking about Steph Curry. And that's as in Portland
is what it is and Golden State is what they are.
But but but they'll say this, and I get all that.
(07:46):
But I did see Alan Iverson go look at that
roster with Larry Brown got to the NBA Finals. One
game one of the finals against the Lakers. I saw that,
and I saw Charles Barkley, you know, also to take
a team to the finals. And what I'm saying is
they might have won a championship, but but they led
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their team to a championship. Last year, there was there
was a chance for for Portland once they'd beat Denver
in Game seven. They got to the Western Conference finals,
and if you remember, they got swept and Durant didn't
even play. So all I'm saying this is it's kind
of like a Toronto Raptors thing from the year before.
I'm not saying that the Trail Leaders are as good
as the Raptors were, but the Raptors' biggest problem in
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the playoffs going into up until winning the championship in
recent history was they ran into Lebron. It wasn't that
they weren't able to get through the get over the
hump or whatever. They kept running into Lebron. They meant
the last couple of years, it's just ran into the Warriors. Now,
I think, if anything, this day, I think this series
says more about Lebron than anybody because I think if
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this series shows to be a problem for the Lakers
in general, because it should not be a problem for
the Lakers in general. Right, I think Lillard should get off,
but the Lakers should be able to handle the Terriblazers
with relative ease. Some some people I've even heard say
that Damian Lillard is better than Kyrie Irvin, which I
just I do not co sign that whatsoever. Look, Kyrie
(09:16):
won a championship. Kyrie averaged twenty eight points in the
finals against the Warriors, a loaded team, and and I
knew as soon as he was gone, Cleveland wound up
getting swept the next year. Right without Kyrie, they only
won one game the year that they lost to Golden State.
But but they did come back. Kyrie was a big
(09:39):
part of that. I know people talk about Kyrie and
him getting hurt all the time in this and that
he's not a leader or whatever. He's better than Damian Lillard.
I'm gonna talking about just putting up points. That guy
makes big shots. I've seen him do it. I would
take him any day. If you haven't in a big game,
I'm give me Damian Lillard. And I'll tell you this,
if you haven't seen Damien Lilard take big shots, it's
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just because you can't stay up late enough to watch
Portland play. I mean like Dade three for seventeen in
Game seven last year against Denver. That is that the
game you're talking about? Here you go, No, I'm talking
I'm talking about what game. He's broken up several franchises
he started, He's he broke up the whole Oklahoma City Thunder.
But I mean the idea that Damian Lillard is something
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not not a clutch performer or not a start than
Kyrie has champion. Absolutely listen, if you, oh my goodness,
if you put Damian Lillard next to the best player
of the big shot to win it, dam y No,
if that Kyrie made a game winning three and done
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on the three to one come back. I means, but
Damian Lillard's team since he got drafted and they got
rid of and they moved on from LaMarcus Aldridge. Kyrie
had his old team in Boston last year name meet
a big shots that the name me their success. But
he had a big shot. Damien hasn't made one, got
his team up talking about on a final stage because
(11:08):
he hasn't got here. I'm wait a minute, just to
same one. I'm gonna tell you that I'm not you
could score all the points. When you're on teams, guys
have to score. Someone's gonna score the points. It's about winning.
It's always about winning. So early to discount what Kywee
did with Lebron, you're crazy. Just a few weeks ago,
(11:29):
I wasn't listening, but I'm sure you were saying, and
how the Clippers were right to make fun of Damian
Lillard for the day time and the choking of the
free throws, and and you know, dad, miss um, he's
supposed to be this starts the mist free throw. The
reason why it was funny, The reason why it's a
joke is because he they know Paul George is the
(11:49):
one with the with the look on his face saying, damn,
where am I supposed to go? Now? Oh, back on
the plane to Oklahoma City? Because you sent me home
from Portland? Bat I mean Patrick Beverley was in Houston.
Mark sent him home. No, he sent him home. I
re sent the Warriors home after being up three to one.
(12:10):
How are you kidding me? He's a part of one
of the greatest comeback in the history of the NBA. Absolutely,
and he wasn't on the bandwagon. He wasn't in the back.
He was helped driving the bandwagon. No, he made the bag.
You're right, hetwagon. He was definitely strongly in the passenger seat. However,
Damian Lillard has been piloting the plane for the Portland
(12:31):
Trailblazers since he landed in Portland. You gotta win something.
I'm sorry, just scoring points. No, he's not doing me.
You know Whatno, Shannon Sharp best something to say about
people like you, because it's people like you. The reason
why Draymond Green could go on TV and say he
bettered at Charles Barkley because he got rained because I'm
not there. No, No, because he doesn't want up Charles Barkley.
(12:54):
So that's not the case. But that charl didn't win
a championship that he gotta win something? Has he won?
He's ended several playoffs for you last year, Kawhi Leonard
because he bounced it around a few times against Philadelphia
and went in. I'll tell that was that was that
was his market. I was just coming out he's a superstar.
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Of course, Toronto's gonna win the finals. Now did you
see that shot? That doesn't mean that we're gonna win
the finals. They were down too low in the in
the Eastern Conference Finals. Do you remember that to Milwaukee
and won four straight. Everybody keeps talking about that they
were down to all and came back in one, and
you gotta give Kawhi credit for what he's able to do.
My point is it's gotta be about winning as well,
(13:38):
not just scoring points. I'm not saying he's a bomber.
He's not a good player, but I refuse to buy
into that. Am I missing something that the big playoff moments.
It's not like he's playing for the Orlando Magic, who
just had their biggest playoff moments since Dwight Howard had
a roster. I had a jersey on this Damian and
the last ten years and last five years had significant
(14:00):
playoff moments. I say he's never won anything? Is I mean? Yeah,
he's never won a tie at all. He's ever won
a championship. But again that's where you get the Jamond
Green's the best power forward of all time? Or you've
got all the rings all right? Eight seven seven ninety nine?
Off Fox? What do you say? Is Damian Lillard better
than Kyrie Irvin? Am I missing something? Or or you're
(14:20):
with Martin Weiss on this eight seven seven nine nine
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As Damian Lillard has this big series against Lebron and
the Lakers. I want to see him man up and
upset the Western Conference leaders, the Los Angeles Lakers here
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I know Everybody's a prisoner of the moment. Damian Lillard's
(15:56):
been the talk of the bubble. Oh my god, he's
the X. He's he's all that and a bag of chips.
Martin Weiss has gone off his rocker. He's calling Damien
a little bit better than Kyrie Irving. I just can't
get there. Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. We
want to hear from you. Let's go to Robbing, Pa.
(16:18):
You're on a couple of Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, who's
up regards what's happening? Yeah, who's up? Rob? Meet my
brother in name. But all right, I just got to
disagree with you, rab Damian Little is a leader, and
Kyrie Irvin is robbing. And every time I really had
to lead his team, he messed it up, screwed it up.
(16:40):
Who wonder who who knock down the big shot to
knock down the Golden State Warriors, and and and engineer
three to one comeback Robin grob He didn't engineer that.
Lebrown led the team and the other team in every
single statistical guest, what did kywe average that in this
series twenty eight pol ain't stopping Damian. Damian averages more
(17:03):
than that without Lebron. It ain't about averaging points and
somebody has to score the points without Lebron. That that
is not true. That is not true. That when go back,
go back to the beginning when he started there, when
when hey, when workmen were uh uh was hurt to
(17:24):
start the season that Kyrie was in Boston. Go back
and look they started out like seventeen and two or
whatever the record was, and that he hurt. Thing went south.
But don't tell me that they were great with Kyrie
to start it when he got to Boston eight seven,
seven ninety nine. Fix, you guys have revisionist history. Chris
and Tucson. You're on the odd couple on Fox Sports
(17:46):
Radio speaking of her revision history. Rob Parker's teaching the
class on let me turn this down. First of all, Martin,
you bring up really good points. Uh. Lillard is a
great scorer. He has sent teams home packing. Um, You're right,
he is is unbelievable, and I think he'll probably end
up probably outscoring Kyrie when it's when it's all said
and done, but I gotta agree with my golden girl
(18:07):
brother from another that's right. Rob is right, because look
at guys, there's just something different about Kyrie. I want
to see him stay healthy. Yeah he's a prima donna,
but hey, he's the greatest ball handler the game's ever seen.
I believe, I believe he's the best finisher at the
basket the game. I've never seen anybody finish better at
the basket than Kywe are never And Rob is right, Martin,
(18:29):
I hate to say it. Rings in this one down, three,
one clutch, Kyrie just has that it factor. Both Hall
of famers gimme Kyrie all day. Yeah. You know, something
different is about Kyrie. He's a weirdo. That's just something
different about him. He's a weirdo. Want him to be.
(18:50):
But we're going to a team to connect with all
these five guys. It's like the first caller said, to
go back, Robin, go back to the start of the
season with Boston when he first got there and they
were seventeen and two or three whatever, go back and
go look at how well that team was playing. We're
starting with season ookay, we're talking about the playoffs. We're
talking about, you're talking about he's ever won anything. And
(19:10):
then you're gonna talk about the first twenty games and
win you Hey, let's talk to somebody. He was a
part of a three to one comeback the only time
in NBA history. Let's talk to somebody that matter. Well,
and then you're on the od couple of Fox Sports Radio. Hey,
what's going on? Hey, Rob Parker Man, I'm like Stephen,
They jammin bro they got a man. First of all,
(19:33):
First of all, if you want to talk about ky Reeve,
talk about him. Can't make make a five hundred rock
team and even go to the playoffs. They may have
the greatest player on the on the planet. Okay. And
then what you want to say seventeen and two, like
that's the first part of the season. Okay, But but
(19:56):
we talk about Harden came last in the playoffs. But
you're talking about the first No, But I'm talking about
Kyrie has won. Did you watch when the average twenty
eight Birds against the Warriors. Don't give me that Lebron
didn't make that three? Remade that three, remade that three
(20:16):
and the next no. The next year without Kyrie, you
know what Lebron played the Warriors again, and guess what happened.
They got swept after they after they lost four to one.
They got swept without Kyrie. So don't give me that.
Don't act like Kyrie didn't have a factor. You're making it.
You're making it like Kywee was only all Lebron James's coattails.
(20:39):
You're crazy. Of course Kyrie was a factor, but Lebron
was the biggest factor. That's the whole What happened when
Kyrie was going? Why did he get swept if he
was the biggest factor, because they were in the finals.
If if Lebrons there, they wouldn't even been in the
finals again, swept, they would have been said they at home, Phil,
Virginia Beach. You're on the Old Couple Sports Radio. Oh,
(21:02):
this is Rob being ridiculous again. Before all of that,
a shout out Alan Iverson from the seven five seven
where I'm from. He was the best finisher at the rim. So, nah,
not better than Kyrie. I mean, Kyrie can't even stay
in the league. He's been on how many three teams now?
The only one that championship because of Lebron. They got
(21:24):
they almost got swepting. You kid yourself you didn't watch
that championship at all. You know you're not. I don't
even know what you're talking about. Watch at all. He
averaged twenty eight points in that Don't don't tell me
it was because of Lebron. You you must be crazy.
Lebron elevates people, Kyrie takes people down. And who made
the bitch shot wouldn't matter who made it? Was it
Kyrie Lebron who made it? He made one shot in
(21:48):
this whole career to a right for Look, hey, Phil,
to your point, if Jayson Tatum was on the Portland
Turblazers right now, they wouldn't be six and a half
point underdogs. I don't know that much like Jason. Kyrie,
like Lebron, makes the players running better. So this is
Damian Lillard. Kyrie does not. How are college football teams
adjusting his students on campus? Bruce Feldman from The Athletic
(22:12):
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Let's switch to a little college football. Bruce Feldman as
a reporter at Fox Sports and FS one. I'm also
a writer for The Athletic Bruce. Welcome to the Odd Couple.
(22:53):
How are you. I'm doing well. Good. Good to be
on with you, guys, appreciate it. Bruce helped me with
the college football. Is this going to happen? I guess.
But before we get there, let me go to the
Big Ten. I guess parents and coaches are still trying
to see if they're going to reverse the decision or
(23:16):
change their mind or somehow. When they got a petition
going and parents are writing letters, what are the chances
of the Big Ten reversing its decision. I think it's
a real long shot, just because for them to have
made this decision at this point, for the university presidents,
certainly for Kevin Warren, who's the first time still new
(23:39):
commissioner of the Big Ten. I just don't see how
they would go back on this. There's a lot of pressure, certainly,
not only you mentioned the players and the petition. Tom Mars,
who's a real powerful attorney in nca circles, as really
a driving force behind this. You've seen a lot of coaches,
whether it's a Ryan Day or a James Franklin or
Jim Harbaugh or certainly Scott Frost from Nebraska, all of
(24:02):
them have really spoken out to back their players, and
really I think what they're looking for is give us
more of an explanation of what went into this decision.
And to be honest, I think that's the part where
Kevin Warren and the Big Ten have really really just
dropped the ball with this. Like Bruce, Bruce, this mounting
(24:25):
thing is you mean the NCAA canceled Division two and
three football and the Ivy League and all these other places.
But nobody understands why the Big Ten, why does Division
one was given a pass? I mean, I don't even
when you say they haven't given them a reason. It's
called coronavirus and the possibility of students football players contracting
(24:49):
it and maybe making schools liable down the road. You
don't think that's a good reason, or people don't understand
that I'm missing something. Well, I think the question is
going to be, how come the SEC, the ACC, and
the Big twelve have chosen to hold off on making
that determination, whereas the Big Can and the PAC twelve
(25:12):
I've already made that determination. I think that's the biggest
challenge there is. That's what they want to know now.
I think what you're saying. I think if Kevin Warren
had come out and said, listen, because the athletic we
had reported that there are more than the ten cases
related to heart issues stemming from covid is, they had
talked about that. If they had talked about even some
of the issues that the PAC twelve had talked about
(25:35):
related to trying to get up to ramp up their
testing to the point where they're not at that point,
I think those are the things that would be real concerns.
But again, they offered no detail, and I think that's
the part that I think it's left people scratching their heads. Now, Bruce,
on the football side of this, what's the fallout of
(25:55):
guys who I mean, you heard Saban talk about it,
just earlier this week about uh, you know, the spring
season guys who would be opting out and trying to
go then with NFL grade to be opting out just
preparing for the draft, what's the fall out if Big
ten football doesn't happen and other SEC football does, of
guys transferring of how does that affect you know, programs
(26:19):
and players. I think that would be a real concern. Look,
I think it's certainly be a real concern to me.
The biggest issue where as it relates to like a
spring season though, really is how do you manage it
from a wellness standpoint where you're talking about a physical toll.
I don't think you know, yeah, it's going to it
would be a problem if you're Nick Saving, It'll be
(26:39):
a problem with your Dabos Sweeney, if your problem, if
you're if you're a Ryan Day. Most schools are not
going to lose many players because the reality is they
you know, where are these guys gonna go. They're gonna
go get ready for the drafts as undrafted free agent
taliber guys. I mean they don't most of them don't
have the film for them to say, Okay, the NFL
(27:01):
can evaluate me I based off of this. This is different,
I think than having guys say, you know what, I
do not feel safe or comfortable in playing college football
in this environment. If they're saying I'm going to make
the calculated business business decision, I'm going to rest on
my film, I think that's the part where there's going
to be some people either getting really bad advice or
(27:23):
making a determination that maybe it's just not being realistic.
Our guest is Bruce Feldman, reporter for Fox Sports FS
one and a writer at The Athletic Bruce helped me
at North Carolina the classes. They had an outbreak, a
cluster of a coronavirus big time on campus, and they've,
(27:44):
you know, just started school. They were only there for
five days and announced that all undergraduate courses would be
moving online. My question is, how are football players sent
home the way that the other student body is sent home?
Aren't they students? Yeah? That is definitely the rub and
I think you would get probably some ads if you
(28:05):
were to Maybe they wouldn't say it on the record,
but I think there are a lot of ads who
would say, listen, take all your classes online, don't go
near campus. It's you know that that would be the
closest they can have to having a bubble for college football.
And then it gets into the issue of are they employees. Obviously,
the NCA has fought really hard to make sure that
determination hasn't happened for all sorts of reasons. But that
(28:29):
is the area right now we're in because we're talking
about massive amounts of revenue, huge TV contracts, and that's
what the football players, that's what they're they're tied to
here in terms of this and this argument about are
they employees or not? And you know you're what you're
saying is at the core of that. And I think, look,
(28:49):
there's probably some schools, if Notre Dame, because Notre Dame
had has had some significant numbers surge in the past
few days, Notre Dame has thought about possibly sending their
students home. I think if Notre Dame was that direction,
I'm not sure that they would have kept going with
football at that point if they were to make that distinction.
Some other schools I think are probably I don't say
(29:11):
they're more comfortable with it, but they're probably more willing
to tow that line is than maybe some other places are. Now.
Bruce taking a class. Excuse me, how much different would
an online experience be for a college athlete already, because
from my understanding, at college football player is taking a
(29:33):
significant number of classes online in a traditional college season.
In general, they are. I think it's the idea that
that's all that would be what everyone is doing, because
I think that is a reality of a lot of
a lot of quote unquote student athletes. You look at
Joe Burrow as a grad student. I mean, I think
he was there because it was the opportunity to go
(29:53):
play college football at the highest level, and the opportunity
to play we'd already had his degree. I think you
see that with a lot grad transfers for sure. I
mean what we're seeing. And I don't want to say
that the entire system of college athletics has been built
on a farce, because I don't think. I think that
does a disservice to a lot of college players who
(30:17):
have worked really hard and go through the education process
and they definitely benefit it from it. But there is
an element that in terms of the structure about how
it's created, where I think there's a farcical nature of it,
and I think that's been a reality for a long time.
We did a story in the Applanet. I think I
(30:38):
did it a week and a half ago talking to
a coach at the FCS level who talked about that
and the gap of it and went into great detail,
went on the record about it, and I think it
was pretty eye opening because you had a lot of
people who said what that guy said I totally agree with.
And a lot of that stuff is coming out now
and being brought to the forefront because of all sorts
of issues either directly related to dealing with a pandemic
(31:01):
or not at all related, but just just coming out
because of everything else that is tied together to the pandemic.
And I just I just think about it because I
graduated from University of Michigan, which has, oh my goodness,
excuse me, which has big football aspirations obviously, and hasn't
reached the pinnacle of what Michigan fans would expect in
(31:21):
the last couple of years or last you know, since. However,
the last couple of years since the Luisi I was
trying to do. I realized midway through I had almost
put the cord in the jukebox, and I thought I
could pull it out in time. That's why I saw,
That's why I stumbled. But uh, it's just quick. We
only got we have less than a minute, Bruce, go ahead. Oh,
I was just gonna say, it just seems like, to
(31:42):
his point that it's the big levels of college football
that seemed to have the farcical nature of it, whereas
like the smaller the smaller schools where it's you can
really go and get an education. But at Michigan the
schools like that, those guys weren't also students. There were
athletes first and foremost, and students was an afterthought. And
I'm I don't I don't mean to cut Bruce off
for the rest of his point. I'm sorry you cut
(32:04):
out on me a little bit there. Say that again. Oh,
I was just saying, like I think, to your point
of D don't want to say the whole college football
is all of college sports are a farce. I think
what it shows is schools like the Clemsons, the Alabama's,
the Michigan's, the schools that are really profiting off the
athletes versus the schools that are that are hollse athletics
are more of a enriching part of something that a
(32:25):
student may actually be a part of whereas like like
a guy like me, I had no shot of being
a Michigan athlete. No, but I think that. I think
it's a different structure right now. But again I think
there are there are student athletes who can benefit. It's
not like it's mutually exclusive. But I just think the
way it's structured right now, the money has gotten so big,
whether it's the TV contracts or the coaches salaries, everything,
(32:47):
and that's the part where they get squeezed, no doubt.
All Right, Hey, Bruce, thanks for the knowledge. We'll appreciate you,
my man. Stay safe, Thank you, Take care of guys.
All right. Bruce Feldman, of course, reported with Fox Sports
FS one and a writer for The Athletic. All right,
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(33:09):
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what a spirited trash talking Tuesday. Here on the d
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your turn to trash anyone anything in the world of sports.
Let's do it, all right, eight seven seven ninety nine
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on Fox. Yeah it is eight seven seven nine nine
six sixty three sixty nine. It's your chance. Still waiting
for some call? All right, let's let's get going. Let's
start with a mir and Philly. You're on the odd
couple of Fox Sports Radio. Mer, who are you trashing? Yeah,
I'm sorry, but I gotta trash your boy Kyrie, And
(34:15):
I'm sorry Rob Winners try with you. Have You've been
covering the NBA four for thirty years eighteen eighty seven, Rob,
the Cavis Digget swept the next year. But you forgot
one thing. Kyrie was on that team. Next year they went,
they lost two to one, they lost four to one,
(34:35):
and then the next year they got swept. Yeah, that's
a gentleman spect. So your boy meant one game in
the fighting. They got to the fighting, you thought in
the next year, and that Brooklyn team earlier in the year.
We need to trade everybody. This isn't gonna be enough.
This is enough. Have you seen what they've been doing
in the bubble? You? Yeah? And then two the leaves
a suffing. They get better. Every team get doing and
(34:58):
don't play they get He really tried to trade Characa
Burton everybody. Have you seen what they did in the boat?
Actually a leader like Damian Lillard, he wouldn't be in
the spirit day. The Celtics wouldn't have got rid of
you because they look better without him. The next woldn't
looked better without you. He needs a batman, he needs
a Kevin Durant. My man, all right, o man, you right,
(35:24):
you're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio, Tony, who
you trashing? All? Hey? What's up? Rob? What's up? I'm
trashing the Los Angeles Clippers. How in the world do
they have the best wing defenders? Every time I turn around,
they getting cooked for forty somebody said in the all
time NBA record they might have the best wing dinners.
Paul Arts has had more surgeries than Patient X and
(35:49):
his decrepit kneeds. He got an injury that has the
same name as an entree at the Italian rest restaurant
called Olive Garden when you go there, and the way
to ask you what you want telling you won't Quadra
accepts TENDERNI how about poodles? Shot coined the playest Broaco chicken.
(36:10):
I'm coining the priest Burt poodle. Wow? All right? John?
In North Carolina, you're in the couple of Fox Sports Ready,
who are you trashing? I gotta trash the NF Double
A and all these conferences. I don't understand how this.
I don't understand how college the athletics got this big,
(36:31):
made this amount of money and there's not one governing body.
The inter double A can't control the conferences. The players
can only receive an education and possibly get drafted. But
in double make money off of them. The colleges make
money off of them, The conversations make money off of them.
But they can't get any insurances about playing football. They
(36:52):
can't capitalize on that likeness right now? Nothing? All right,
there you go, John, appreciate the kyote. In Oklahoma, you're
in the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. Who you trashing? Man?
I hate to do it, but I got a trash
parker of you trash talk. Rob parker Man, Rob park Opinion,
you're acting nine opinion about Kyrie versus Dame. Doesn't make
(37:16):
any sense anytime you're arguing for a dude who's only
been a robin his whole life. You can't argue for
this guy. God's never been the top player on a
top tier team. He's only been a dude as a
side piece. I can't. I'm not gonna go to bat
for my side piece. I'm going with my lady, all right.
(37:36):
How about Ralph Irvin in Sherman Oaks. I think I
know this guy. You're the odd couple Fox Sports radier.
Who are you trashing? Well, you'll be trashing too once
I tell you this, because the Texas Rangers tweeted this
out today after losing to San Diego six four. It
shows the score, and that just says not today, trolls,
not today, no responses allowed. So they turtle up after yesterday,
(38:01):
After yesterday, now they did. Now they told that players
not to say anything. The entire organization said, We're not
going to take responses for you guys trashing our organization anymore.
That's unbelievable. How weak is that that is? I just
want to know what you have to say about Kyrie
Dick gracing Irvin Dick Grayson never made the game winning
(38:22):
three to win a championship and average twenty eight points
against arguably one of the greatest teams ever assembled where
averaged twenty eight points, so that that whole narrative is
false and phony and fake. And I'm just gonna say, Martin,
wife's nice job, thanks for filling in for Thank you,
no doubt. Tomorrow, Jonas Knox is in for Chris Bussar,
(38:45):
so that'll be fun. Man. We hope you had a
good time enjoyed the Odd Couple. We sure did, And
I hope you enjoyed the Portland's Lakers game. I know
Lakers fans have their panties in a bunch, but relax,
it's only game one. It'll be all right. It is
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