July 8, 2020 • 45 mins
Rob Parker and Martin Weiss, filling-in for Chris Broussard, explain how the Philadelphia Eagles painted themselves into a corner when it comes to how they handle DeSean Jackson and his anti-Semitic posts. Martin thinks the NBA has dropped the ball by limiting the social justice messages on the back of players jerseys. Plus columnist for TheMMQB, Andrew Brandt joins the guys to weigh in on DeSean Jackson's posts, Patrick Mahomes' record breaking contract and Washington changing their team name.
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But let me welcome in my uh co host for today.
His name is Martin Weiss. What's happened in Martin? Not much, Rob,
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I'm just thankful to Chris Leonard. I'm sorry Bruce hard
for load managing Wow. So that way I can get this,
I can get this opportunity. And for people have heard
Martin Weiss on our show. He has a regular segment
trolling a roll in what is that? Every Thursday? That's right,
every Thursday. And before we get into it, I want
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you to know Martin Wiss. And I go back to
about twenty fourteen and help mentor Martin. Martin came out
to LA with me. He was my producer at you
x y Z Channel seven in in Detroit, and now
he's out here works at FS one. Of course here
on FS are with the segment and all kinds of
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other stuff. So Martin, welcome to the big time. How's
that you know? I have to say if you're gonna
go through that whole rundown the first day I met you,
just so America can know. I want America of the
first day I met this guy. I'm in the press
box at America Park in Detroit and he comes up
to me and he says, who are you and what
are you doing here more or less right? So I
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introduced myself and he says, here's my number. Hit me
up if you need anything. And then later on that
night I texted him say, hey, this is Martin. Just
want to connect. Make sure you got me. He sent
me a video that Rob Parker made, which as you
follow him on social media, you know he's a video maker.
But he sent a video of his highlights of his
at that point I think was at thirty years in
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broadcasting or thirty years in sports writing. Yes, he sent
me it's thirty for thirty highlight tape. I don't even
know this man's last name barely. He sent me it's
thirty for thirty highlight tape. I just thought it was
the most ridiculous thing that I ever experienced. And I'm
glad you did it. And you know why I send it,
Because you want to be in the business. You really wanted.
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And I think sometimes people think you just appear out
of nowhere and you haven't put in work, and you
haven't worked at small papers for no money. And I
think it's an important story because people off in Martin
only see the finished product. They don't see all the
other stuff. I think It probably put my career in
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focus to you, didn't it. It definitely opened up a
lot of opened up a lot of eyes because I
first saw you on ESPN, you know, first time I did.
I met you first on television and then met the
actual Rob Parker. So it definitely I see your point.
I mean, that is the point. Twenty four years old,
it was like what is this guy doing? But now
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it all makes more sense? All right, we got let's
walk com in. The odd couple crew lead the lap
is our producer, Don Brown is the engineers from Detroit.
Don Brown ask him again, will knock you down? And yes,
mister Steve de Seger is handling our updates today. So
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we have plenty of stuff. And Martin, I want to
start with the DeShawn Jackson situation with the Philadelphia Eagles.
And as most people know, you know, Deshaun put out
on social media a lot of anti Semitic stuff. He
wound up taking it back and apologizing, and you know,
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all kinds of stuff is now out there and people
are trying to figure out. We have to assume, Martin,
that there will be some sort of fine, maybe a
suspension or something, because remember it is you represent the
organization that you work for. People who talk about freedom
of speech, they don't live in the real world. Freedom
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of speech and you need to do your research and
read your history. Means that I could tell you that
I don't like the government, and the government police are
not going to knock on my door and put me
in a cell because I said something about the President,
or I said something about the Senate, or I said
something about something going on in the federal government. That's
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the only protection you have, right when you work for
other people, Martin, you have to you can say whatever
you want. That doesn't mean there's not ramifications. Freedom of
speech is not necessarily freedom from repercussion, right, And it's
like it's freedom from necessarily government punishment for the press.
But this is all I've been studying in school for
the last couple Like the First Amendment is allowed for
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the press, not necessarily football players. And the fact of
the matter is whether you want to talk about freedom
of speech whatever. This is something that de Sean Jackson
was going to have to answer for because at the
end of the day, a thirty year old man and
put on his Instagram page something that said that started
with the quote that said Hitler said, and ended it
with Hitler was right, okay, And at any point in time,
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there's certain people in history that we just don't talk
about in revering ways, and Hitler's one of them. So
I don't get it. I'm still I'm still flawed. I mean, Floyd,
not flawed, Floyd about how many people have used Hitler
in conversation for people. I just I'm shocked by it. Martin,
I I don't get it. I don't know what if
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you remember the late March shot, if you could believe
this at some point and the obviously it got her
in hot water. Eventually she had to sell the team
Baseball made herself. But she she once said, Hitler was
was good in the beginning because he fixed the roads
and the economy of Germany. I mean, can you imagine
saying that, Well, it's just the fact of the matter.
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If there's some people in the history of the world
who have done so much bad, it don't matter what
good they potentially could have done. Like, no matter what
you're trying to find, no matter what diamond and all
the rough you're trying to find, it doesn't matter, because
at the end of the day, it's just disrespectful to
all the terrible things that these people did. It's like,
if you're just Sean Jackson here, you can only really
chalk this up to two things, and that's either anti
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Semitism or ignorance. Now, if I'm the UNI, if I'm
the Philadelphia Eagles, I'm gonna say listen to Sean, you're
gonna pick ignorance and we're gonna put you. We're gonna
find you, and we're gonna give you all this type
of like a diversity type training, the same way we
did with Riley Cooper with six years ago, five years ago,
whenever that was. Now you just mentioned Riley Cooper And
for people who don't remember, Riley Cooper was a white
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player who was at a country and western concert, Martin,
Is that right? And I believe it was Kenny Chesney
was the artist. Yeah, Kenny Chesney, and he got into
some altercation with the black security guard. And it wasn't
like just he was talking about the guy he was
in a disagreement with. He said something like I'll fight
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all you ends here or something on that term, and
for whatever reason, it came out and the Eagles did
not do anything other than I think I think Martin,
he was fined or something and he was fine, and
he had he had to go actually take some sensitivity
training classes extended. I don't know about, but that did occur.
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And from there players Michael Vick was one who stood
up and and didn't demand that. Now, if I was
on that team, I probably would have said at that point,
is he practicing today? Because if he's practicing, then I'm
not practicing. And once Michael Vicker was the start of
the team kind of backed him. I think the Eagles
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felt like they didn't have to do anything big time,
you know what I mean. But now in doing that, Martin,
here here's the problem. Not only did Ronnie Cooper get
to stay with the Eagles that year, he got a
contract extension and big money. Right, they signed him to
a five year deal. After that, he didn't live it through,
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but they signed him to a five year They gave
him a big deal. And now here you are with
Deshan Jackson. Obviously, what he said, the anti semitism and
his comments are just terrible. They just are. And if
he was on any other team, Martin, any other team
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that didn't have that Riley Cooper thing hanging over him,
he probably would be released, and a team has a
right to do it despite it being his public his
own opinion, and that you represent the organization, and when
people do stuff, say do commit crimes, whatever you want
to say, an organization has a right to say we
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don't want those kind of people in our organization, and
they have a right to move on. They absolutely have
a right to I do wonder though, if other teams
like this is not this is obviously a horrible thing
to say, right this is you shouldn't say this, shouldn't
post it on your Instagram, which is apparently the same
deal ass saying it out loud, and you also shouldn't
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double down on it when people call you out on it.
All those things are true, but I have trouble with like,
I feel like the reason why Deshaan Jackson would get
cut for this is because he's thirty three years old
and slated to make over. I think the twelve million
dollars next year um and it's just an easier situation
if this was so, If if Patrick Mahomes said this.
Obviously he hasn't said anything nearly like this, but if
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he had said something like this, I don't think he'd
be in trouble at all. I mean, he'd be in trouble.
He'd be he'd be in in in trouble in the
public eye. But I'm talking you just saw Drew Brees
in trouble. I'm just talking about. It might not have
been that they were gonna release him, but he would
have had the beating that Drew Brees got. Who That's
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what I'm saying. But you never worried about Drew Brees's
career with the Saints. No, that was on that And
that's what I'm saying in terms of, like I another,
if another football player had said this, who was at
the apex of his game and was I mean, time
and time again, football has shown us that owners, in
general managers value the ability on the football field over
everything else. That's always been the case with everything. It's
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it's in entertainment, it's in sports writing, broadcast, and people
who are very talented have a longer role. You know that, right,
and guys who aren't that good. So what is your gut?
Do you think he'll get cut? No, I don't think
he'll get cut. I think he's made He's apologized twice.
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I think the Eagles the Eagles had made their statement,
and the Eagles will probably force him to do some
type of sensitivity training, and then people will wash their
hands of it. I think. I don't think it's I
don't think that's necessarily right, but I think that's what
will occur. I think the only reason he's not getting
cut is because of the Riley Cooper situation and the
backlash that the Eagles will have to endure on why
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you turned the other cheek for Riley Cooper and you
didn't do it for Detroun Jackson. That that's it to me.
That's the only reason he wouldn't be cut, because all
the other stuff you talked about, the amount of money
he makes, he's thirty three's not the same player used
to be. It would it could be easy, he could
be easy to move on from him. Uh give given
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what he said. But but I don't believe it. I
think that the Eagles are painting themselves in a corner
and and and they don't have a choice. I really don't.
I would be stunned because it would be hypocritical that
they would do this in this situation. But when the
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shoe was on the other foot and it was Riley Cooper. Uh,
they they worked it out and they didn't release him.
When when you're in when you're a white player, you
use that term, and you're in a locker room that's
seventy seventy five percent, that's usually not gonna be a
comfortable situation for you. But somehow it worked out well.
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I mean, part of the reason, and Mike Vick has
alluded to it since then, he's part of it was
Mike Vick came out and said, like, look, I know Riley.
I'm paraphrasing, but I know Riley. I know it's hard.
That's how all apologies go these days. And the way
that and Mike has said like he didn't necessarily feel
comfortable doing that, but felt that he had to. And
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I feel like that played a big role into why
Riley Cooper was able to walk back into that locker
room like that. I don't think that Deshaun Jackson's actually
they're going to have the same eyeballs on him that
Riley Cooper did walking back into the locker room, just
because of the demographics of it. However, I don't think
that that excuses him saying what he said, not ad
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I was just about to say. I don't think that
excuses saying what he said. But I also like, if
I'm the Eagles and I feel this strongly about it,
I feel strong enough to make a statement about it,
then I'll come out and say, you know what, two
wrongs did not make it right. We messed up in
twenty fourteen. We messed up again at sixteen when we
extended him. He's no longer here referring to Riley Cooper.
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So like Deshaun Jackson, we're not gonna make the same
mistake here. I don't think the Eagles necessarily would. I
think if they came out and couched it in that way,
people couldn't really call him ever critically because they called
out their mistake that they made initially. Nope, in this climate,
with what's going on in this country, Martin, I don't
believe that the Eagles can do it. I don't believe
that they would. It would They would be hell to
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pay if they were to release him, given their history,
and I think people will look at that if they
had gotten rid of Riley Cooper. I'll tell you one thing,
people know, Black people couldn't have been pointing a finger
at the Eagles saying oh, this is oh, this isn't fair.
Decision't right because then they would say, look at what
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we did back then, we don't tolerate that in our organization.
Because Riley Cooper was allowed and got to pass, it
showed that they did tolerate it. Let me ask you this,
does this change your opinion at all? Riley Cooper's incident
was that he was drunk, or he admittedly had been drinking.
He was at a country hold on, hold on, hold
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on now, Deshan Jackson when he posted his post. It
was under the guise of trying to be trying to educate,
trying to learn. It wasn't It wasn't like no one
came like Riley Cooper was provoked. And Riley Cooper felt
that at least as if he was provoked by that
security guard. Nobody came up to Deshan Jackson and was like, Yo,
you should post this right now. You should post this
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right now. He didn't think and I'm going ahead, and
I'm thinking, I'm thinking that it was a level of ignorance.
I don't think he thought that what he was saying
was that bad. Is there? So is it a level
of like, does that change your opinion at all, whereas
Riley Cooper is saying the N word to intentionally hurt
somebody's feelings, whereas Deshan Jackson could just be ignorant here
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Anti Somatic doesn't. It's like going up. It's like going
in the court and saying, oh, I didn't know that
I was over the speed limit or I didn't know
that there was a stop sign there, or I didn't know. No,
because it still came out of your mouth and it
was attributed to you. You're not saying somebody put it
there and you didn't meet and you didn't say it.
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You said it. So there's ramifications with that. That's just
the world we live in. But all right, it is
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mister Martin Weiss filling it for Chris Bussard. You've heard
Martin on our show. He has a regular segment every
Thursday called Trolling Rolling right here on the Our Couple
and Fox Sports Radio. Martin. It will not be long
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before the NBA gets underway, you know under the bubble
in Orlando. I'm calling it to Mickey Mouse Championship. But
you know there's a with all the protests going on,
everything that's happening in the country, the NBA supposed to
be woke and they want to do something different and
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lends support with using the jerseys to put names on
the back or saying on the back and some people
aren't that happy with the choices, and you just can't
put anything on the back. I remember Chris said if
it was his jersey, he would put reparations, that's what
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he would want. I do not believe that made the list.
Where are you on the NBA and limiting the names
and the sayings that you could have on your NBA
jersey this coming season. I simply cannot square the idea
that these are supposed to be like social justice free
speech level of messages and they're somehow you have to
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get them passed through that do you have to get
them regulated in some form or fashion like This is
another example of how professional sports leagues like the NBA
in the NFL, which is a different conversation for another segment,
but they're doing it as well. They're doing everything that
black people aren't asking for right. They're painting the floors
with saying black lives matter, they're changing the names on
the back of the jerseys, when in the reality situation
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is the people who are protesting in the streets, some
of them NBA players themselves, like Russell Westbrook, the Martin,
the Rose and you name it. There were guys out
there who dribble ball for a living, who are out
there protesting against police brutality, and until the league addresses that,
all of it seems just like an empty platitude to me, Like, like,
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how are you going to say that you can have
say their names on the back of the jersey, but
I couldn't put George Floyd on the back of my jersey,
Like it doesn't make any sense. I think that there
is an issue because I do believe the league is
going to put parameters in there and stuff. I understand
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what you're saying, and it's a big deal for them
to even do that. Maybe maybe they shouldn't have even
allowed the players to do it and just put up
stuff in the arena Martin on the floor, I'm just
saying because body was asking. Nobody was thinking, you know
what's gonna solve the problems here, Let's change Let's put
Lebron have a nickname on the back of his jersey. Nope,
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when they were protesting, that was when the Martin Rosen
and Russell Westbrook were walking the streets to LA holding
up Black Lives Matter signs. They were not holding it
up to change their names on the back of their jerseys.
Like I don't understand, like, well, it's a it's a form.
They think it's a form of support, and I do understand,
you know that, like like they're being supportive, they're listening
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to their players. There were a league that that isn't
the NFL who shun Colin Kaepernick four years ago and
ostracized him and told him to get lost and he
couldn't have a job. So the NBA's trying to say,
we're listening to our players. Obviously, the Players Association had
to be involved in this, Martin. It can't just be
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Adam Silver and a bunch of white guys at the
at the NBA office, you know, So this just has
to come from Part of it has to come from
the union. Well and part of it I would blame
the union as well, because this is a half step,
like for me, especially when you have and I know
people don't take women's basketball seriously and that's something that
they got to look in the mirror for. But there's
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Maya Moore just got Jeremy Irons out of prison. She
gave up her career playing basketball to go get a
guy out of prison. Prisoner for him, that's a that's
a form of caring for black lives. There's four different
w NBA players who have opted out of their career
dreams to go and act in social justice measures. If
the NBA really wants to do something, we should be
supporting them. They should everybody who should know those four
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wa w NBA players who opted out as opposed to
doing these half steps, Like, well, you also to remember
but when you say half steps, it is a business.
They were in business to make money. There's a playoffs.
I'm being realistic. I get it. If you want to
shut down everything and just focus in on social justice
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and police brutality and not play basketball until the world's
changed and fixed, good luck, because there's all kinds of
other stuff that has to be done in the meantime.
So so I get your point, but I but I
do think that that that's not their their their main focus,
even though it's a part of it and a part
of being involved. But there's still a business to run
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and I and I completely am I'm sympathetic to that.
I honestly and understand it. So I would not do
it at all. I would not get involved. I would
if I was the NBA, like officially, would not take
a stance. I would allow my players to I would
allow my players to do it and then let let
the public mitigate it out as it is. I don't
I don't think the NBA could do that because of
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where we are. This is a different time. Come on, Martin,
they're changing the name of Aunt Jemima and I mean
taking taking off pictures, and the Confederate flags come down
and statues are being toppled all over all kinds of stuff.
You know, Forever people were trying to get Washington's name
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in the NFL to be changing, no movement, nothing was happening,
and now we're gonna see it done in sixty days.
I mean, this is ever changing, ever moving a wheld
we live in, and the NBA couldn't just take up. Well,
you guys, do what you want and we'll sit over here.
That's why maybe they're doing too much or trying to
do too much in even allowing this to happen. But
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I'm not gonna knock the NBA for doing it. I
just I guess what my question is, is it cool
to have parameters or what it is that they should
have put on? And maybe if if you had to
have parameters, then maybe it's a bad idea from that standpoints,
you couldn't because I mean, what if what if somebody's
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social justice message was free Hong Kong? Then what right
like like this, like it's just a whole deal about
like it's to me, it's incredibly hypocritical for the league
to do it. And if I'm the players Association, if
I'm players who this really matters to, You're right, we
are at a time we're thinking. Like I grew up
in Louisiana, I never once thought in my life that
the Mississippi state flag will come down. It took two
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and as soon as the SEC said we're not playing
championship games here, which they weren't gonna play any Mississippi anyway,
they have to win them. But like once they said
we're not doing that anymore, that state flag came tumbling down.
Right now, you're right, we are in an unprecedented time.
At least we've never seen anything like that. So my
thing is here right now. If I've been alive for
thirty years, so I've never seen anything movement like this.
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Now now it was the time to go all the
way now, like now was the time. If I'm the
players Association. I'm pushing as hard as I can because
eventually there's going to be some pushback to all of
these things, and it's gonna get louder and louder and louder.
But until that day, I'm gonna go ahead and try
to get every advancement I can for people of color. Yeah,
but the only thing is and you make good points,
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but it is a business. That that's why they're down
in the bubble. If this wasn't a business, what would
they do? Right? Like that, Like it's easy for the
IVY League to pull all the sports and say we're
not playing. They don't make any money off of it. Right,
what I'm saying, I'm just saying, I get this money
on the table. On the tables. The people who are
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making the money are the same types of people the
people who are I say, I shouldn't say making the money,
the people who are the product that creates the revenue. Right,
So so the players, they're the ones who are out
there saying that this matters to them, and this is
why the NBA is responding in such a way. So
what I'm saying, if you're a player, like like everybody
made fun of Kyrie because he said, I'm not with
all the systemic racist racism and bs and that's why
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I didn't necessarily want to go to Orlando. But he's
the only guy that's like even made some type of
I mean every Bradley had in his statement he said,
so that Dwight Howard. I mean there were people who
but he I'm saying Kyrie is the only Kyrie is
the only star of the league right now. That made
a point big enough to where like I just read
the story of Howard Brian did about Bruce Maxwell in
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the Oakland A's organization back when Kapertin took a knee.
He wasn't a star, if people, and that's why he
was able to get blackball. Kaepernick wasn't a star to
the level of that he needed to quote be and
not get. And I do want to say this when
you say Bruce Maxwell, who was a catcher for the AIDS,
who did take a knee tomorrow, my uh inside the
Parker podcast drops and we had his agent on, Lonnie Murray,
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who gave us some information that actually he was offered
a deal body A's So that was interesting. But you
can check that out and download the podcast tomorrow. That's
inside the Parker. She gives some sort of information about
about him. So I'm glad you brought that was it
wasn't the a's deal. Then you get offered the a's deal,
like a couple of months ago he was offered. He
was offered a deal. Is a point that she came up.
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I got you, I got you. But at the time
when he was released, there was nobody calling. He went
to go play baseball in Mexico, right, But Kyrie Irvy
is not a player that they're gonna do that too.
If he's has enough of a talent, he's enough for
the level and to be real, he's good enough friends
with Kevin Durant to where he's going. They're not gonna
kick him out of the league or they're not gonna
like that's what I'm saying, Like guys like that, guys
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like Lebron, guys like who are who say their social injustice,
to say their black lives matter, who say that they're
this and they're that, And I understand it. It's just
it's really hard for me to accept that players are
that the players would accept it, or that the NBA
would push this forward as a good idea for that
these nicknames on the back of their jerseys. When in
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the w NBA you have players who are actively sacrificing
their careers. And I'm not saying that the NBA players
should do it, but I'm just saying when you have
w NBA players who are and the NBA players are
doing this, it looks tone deaf to me. Yeah, I
think it's apples and oranges from the standpoint that they're
they're giving up their salaries and I'm not trying to
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be little the WNBA and how much money they make,
but they're giving up that Most of them go to
Europe Martin to make to make the real money, and
the WNBA does not pay that much, and they're willing
to sacrifice that. The NBA players are in a little
bit different situation. I'm not saying that somebody couldn't follow
that route, but I wanted, I did want to say
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that Jalen Brown of the Celtics and Mike Scott of
the seventy six ers are the ones who have been
the biggest As far as critical of the list, Brown
called it disappointing and Scott called it terrible and a
bad list. If you were a player, Martin, and you
weren't happy with the list, what would you put on
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your on your back? Would you just put your name
and not take part in it, or would you still
put something on it even though it's not something that
you would want from the list? I would just if
I was a player and this really mattered to me,
I would not I would put my name on the
back of my jersey and I would use my media
availability to tell everybody what I wanted to say. Probably
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the best thing that you probably could do. Yeah, because
especially if you're not happy with with the with the
list that you have to choose from it. To me,
it would be hard to put something on in your
heart's not in it. That's the thing it gives me. Like,
like professional athletes, there are people whose jobs are like
you and I, whose jobs are too chronicle. Whatever professional
athletes say, like the idea that like the idea that
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you can't get your your message out or you need
to have a words on the back of your jersey
to get your message out to me, sounds it's just
it's it's disingenuous. To me, it's it's it's a half step,
it's it's not a real thing. It's not. It's not
there's no real change or there's no real it's something
that feels really good. It looks great, but it's not.
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we're gonna get into some NFL talk with one of those,
uh guys who knows a lot about the league. Andrew
Bryant and Andrew brand I'm sorry, Andrew Brandt to comments
from mm QB. Sorry Andrew, he joined us now here
(31:11):
on the eye couple. What's what's happening? Hey, guys, Good
to be with you. It's always a busy time when
there is sports, and it seems to be even busier
this year when they're no sports, because everyone's focusing on
what goes around the inner workings of these leagues and
teams and how things work. And it's been a nice
(31:32):
time for me to kind of bring people behind the
curtain and see where it really goes into these decisions. Well, Andrew,
let's start. Of course, you're talking about people talking because
there's no games, but the Seawan Jackson and the Eagles obviously,
the anti Semitic comments, he apologize, all kinds of stuff
going on. People are talking about it. And the Eagles
(31:55):
have a little bit of a history. They had the
Riley Cooper situation. Nothing, nothing bad happened. They didn't release
him when when he was involved in an incident. He
was in the N word. Where are you on this?
Where are the Eagles on this and the Sewan Jackson.
How's this all shake out? Yeah, it's an interesting one
(32:17):
because the Sean Jackson has had a couple of stints
on the Philadelphia Eagles, as everyone knows, drafted by Andy
Reid here during the Chip Kelly era where the Riley
Cooper incident happened to Sean Jackson was in that locker
room and saw what happened and actually saw Michael Vick
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take up for Riley Cooper, which allowed him back into
the fold. And here we are, here we are, and
what he did is abhorrent, it's vile. I just think
that there's a lot of apologies going on. But you know,
this is not a twenty three year old anymore. This
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is thirty year old who's been around several contracts in
the NFL teams like the Redskins and what's going on
there with the name, and he's got to be more aware.
And that's you know, I've been an agent for many years.
I would not expect this from any client who's in
his thirties. Just the lack of awareness, and it's almost like,
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you know, you don't know who Hitler is, or you
don't know saying saying anti Semitic things is wrong. So
these are the kind of things the Eagles have to
deal with. Okay, So I'm here in Philadelphia. I know
Eagles management and ownership well, I know exactly what they're
going through, which is, do we want to engage in
this what people would call cancel culture and get rid
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of them? Where do we want to go with that?
And there's get rid of them on one end of
the spectrum, there's do nothing on the other end of
the spectrum. And I think they'll be somewhere in the middle.
I think the Cooper incident that I mentioned is a
problem because anything in sports is about precedent, and they're
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hearing from de Shaun and or his agent about Cooper,
if there's threats about releasing him, if there's threats even
about finding him because Cooper had no discipline? Was there
no discipline? I didn't realize there was nothing. My understanding
is there was sending him out away for a few days.
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It was in training, sensitivity, training and sensitivity, which again
people can roll their eyes at those kind of things.
So my senses, the Eagles are doing what every organization
does is do the risk analysis. He's got guaranteed money,
that's probably a factor. But on the other hand, they
took a receiver number one, so that's a factor that
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they could live without him. So my guess is he
is not released. He goes to send sitivity training, he
learns as everyone's learning in these last few months, and
there is some kind of discipline in terms of a fine,
maybe keeping away from the first few days of camp
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or something like that. But I don't think he'll be terminated.
Let's go move on to a guy who's definitely not
going to get cut anytime soon. Patrick Mahomes signs a
ten year contract with the reported up to over half
a billion dollars five five hundred and three million dollars.
And from what I've read from you, Andrew, this is
(35:35):
a bad deal from Mahomes. Can you please explain to
me how half signing a half a billion dollar contract
potentially it could be a bad deal. I'm getting that question.
I'm gonna stay away from the hot take bad winner, loser,
good bad? A team friendly deal? How could it be
a team friendly? Is what I should have said, team
friendly because they have just signed the most precious assets
(35:56):
in the National Football League for essentially his life in
the NFL, And to me, that's worth gold, and more
gold than he got. First of all, it's not it's
five hundred million dollars if he hits every incentive, which
he obviously won't, and it's four hundred and seventy million
if he is there every minute for the next twelve years,
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which is not guaranteed. It's not Bryce Harper, it's not
Mike Trout, it's not tick a name, Kevin Durant, Lebron James. Right,
all that money, are you getting every nickel of that? Right?
So everyone can say, well, of course the Chiefs will
never cut back mahomes. And to that I would say, well,
then if that was true, the agents would say, just
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guarantee it, because the Chiefs are saying, no, we won't
because we want that optionality. And when I heard ten
years or twelve years, my first question was, Okay, what's
the optionality? And let me explain that word. Does he
have an O doubt like Lebron like all these basketball players.
Does he have a way to get out? No? Does
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he have optionality with adjustment? In other words, when quarterbacks
pass him by, which they will in the next years,
can he adjust to that? No? Does he have optionality
with cap percentages. Has been rumored, even reported by Adam
Schefter that there were cap adjustments every year. Now, so
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what he has is basically a few years guaranteed like
every good player, and then the series of one year
team options for the Chiefs and if everything goes perfectly,
he makes this number over twelve thirteen years. If not,
he doesn't. And I just think the real value in
sports from a business point of view, which is my expertise,
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is either reaching or getting close to free agency. That's
where the pot of gold is. And my home has
just gave that away. It's gone. He'll never be there.
And I'll give you this last stat next three years. Now,
these are the first three years of this massive contract. Right,
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He'll make sixty three million, Teddy Bridgewater will make sixty
three million. Wow. Ryan Tannehill will make seventy seven million.
So right away you look at those numbers, and that's
again the power what I said with free agency versus
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being under contract. Andrew Brant is our guest, of course
Columbus from Monday Morning Quarterback, host of the Business of
Sports podcasts. Let's talk about Cam Newton. Cam Newton signed
his contract officially today. One year with the Patriots, what
are you expecting from him? Andrew? I know he's been
banged up the last couple of years. A lot of
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people think that's Cam, the banged up Cam. He's not
an old guy. Ken he bounce back. He can and
I think like you, like everyone who're kind of rooting
for it to happen in the Patriots. But again I
get back to my expertise the business of football. There
was no business for Cam Newton four months. Four months
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he sat on the street and the biggest indicator of
what a team thinks of you is your contract. And
he basically I know the puffing again when we talk
about these contracts up to seven million. He basically has
a minimum deal. And when I hear minimum deal, I hear,
well the team can get out, you know, the team
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can get out. Like if they don't think he's what
they thought he would be in training camp, he's gone.
The issue I have in New England is they have
a guy named Brian Hoyer who is made and like
the ultimate prototype for backup quarterback. It's been his life right,
He's the backup. So Jared'stidham is either one or three.
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Cam Newton is either one or three and maybe not
even three, because Cam Newton as a three doesn't seem
to make sense for anyone in my mind. So I
just think that, you know, do they want to push
Jared Stidham down the third string? Maybe? Maybe? Or Cam Newton.
It's just a look, see, we'll see. Andrew. I want
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to ask you, because you gave out the ten year
contractor Brett Farr, yes, I did, what are the biggest
differences between Mahomes' deal now and the deal that you
offered to far and how does that feel? Something? Know
that you signed a guy for that long of a
period of time, right, like, like, how did you feel
when you on the other end of that deal not
being the player? Obviously? You know, I think you want
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you want to hit the marks. And if you sort
of drill down into these deals, what's the motivation And
let's art now, motivation for the Mahome side is obviously
staying there in security. But that number, that number you
started this interview with half a billion dollars and back
in the day that number for the farm and there
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was Steve McNair and it was Drew bledsoe that number
was one hundred million and based on what the market time,
Sure do you change? Huh yeah? And Drew bledso I
say that name. We just talked about Patriots because he
was kind of in my crosshairs doing that contract. We
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had to hit that mark. He got that whatever ten
year one hundred million, and so we did ten years
one hundred and something million, and that was the market
back then, and that's where we had to hit it.
And I felt like, Okay, you know, we've got what
we thought was the best parental league under contract for
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ten years worth a premium, paying that and happy to
do it. Andrew the team in Washington is going to
change its name looks like that. I know they're saying
they have a committee. I'm once our sponsors and advertisers
get involved. It's almost a short bet that is going
to be changed. Have you heard any behind the scenes
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about Daniel Snyder? He was outspoken. I remember his famous
quote that it would never happen under his watch, and
he said you could capitalize. Never to reporters, how quickly
are you surprised at how quickly this thing turned? Well?
I say this too as someone who grew up Morning
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raised diehard fan of that team. And actually grew up
within a couple of miles of a guy named Dan Snyder,
and I didn't know him, of course, but we both
grew up the same era, same age, diehard fans. And
he went on to buy the team and I went
on to talk to you guys. You got the short
end of the stick, for sure, But I never thought
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of it growing up as a racist term, of course,
But things change, I do now, and I think maybe
maybe even he's come to that with a strong push,
as you know, from Nike, from Pepsi, and most of
all from FedEx their naming rights partner, money talks, and
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so I'm pretty confident this name is going to change.
Here's what's really got me amazed. I'm hearing not only
will the name change, but the name might change before
the season, right. That's the shocking thing. It's incredible because
as a veteran of the league, I know how things move.
It's like a freight ship turning in a small dock.
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You know, it takes forever. And now we've got to
talk about by September. That's two months. I'm like, oh
my god, can they really do that? Because he got
all the logos, the marks, the lawyers the trademarks. Yes,
and maybe we have some provisional situation for twenty twenty
before it really goes into action next year. All right, Andrew,
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we appreciate you. Andrew Brand of course read its column.
Column is for the Monday Morning Quarterback. A great wed.
We all know that we appreciate your knowledge. Thank you
so much, and we'll see you down the road, my pleasure. Guys,
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Patrick this morning. He's taken the evening off, and tomorrow morning,
Chris and I will do an Odd Couple version all
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But let me welcome in my uh co host for today.
His name is Martin Weiss. What's happened in Martin? Not much, Rob,
(01:25):
I'm just thankful to Chris Leonard. I'm sorry Bruce hard
for load managing Wow. So that way I can get this,
I can get this opportunity. And for people have heard
Martin Weiss on our show. He has a regular segment
trolling a roll in what is that? Every Thursday? That's right,
every Thursday. And before we get into it, I want
(01:47):
you to know Martin Wiss. And I go back to
about twenty fourteen and help mentor Martin. Martin came out
to LA with me. He was my producer at you
x y Z Channel seven in in Detroit, and now
he's out here works at FS one. Of course here
on FS are with the segment and all kinds of
(02:12):
other stuff. So Martin, welcome to the big time. How's
that you know? I have to say if you're gonna
go through that whole rundown the first day I met you,
just so America can know. I want America of the
first day I met this guy. I'm in the press
box at America Park in Detroit and he comes up
to me and he says, who are you and what
are you doing here more or less right? So I
(02:32):
introduced myself and he says, here's my number. Hit me
up if you need anything. And then later on that
night I texted him say, hey, this is Martin. Just
want to connect. Make sure you got me. He sent
me a video that Rob Parker made, which as you
follow him on social media, you know he's a video maker.
But he sent a video of his highlights of his
at that point I think was at thirty years in
(02:54):
broadcasting or thirty years in sports writing. Yes, he sent
me it's thirty for thirty highlight tape. I don't even
know this man's last name barely. He sent me it's
thirty for thirty highlight tape. I just thought it was
the most ridiculous thing that I ever experienced. And I'm
glad you did it. And you know why I send it,
Because you want to be in the business. You really wanted.
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And I think sometimes people think you just appear out
of nowhere and you haven't put in work, and you
haven't worked at small papers for no money. And I
think it's an important story because people off in Martin
only see the finished product. They don't see all the
other stuff. I think It probably put my career in
(03:35):
focus to you, didn't it. It definitely opened up a
lot of opened up a lot of eyes because I
first saw you on ESPN, you know, first time I did.
I met you first on television and then met the
actual Rob Parker. So it definitely I see your point.
I mean, that is the point. Twenty four years old,
it was like what is this guy doing? But now
(03:56):
it all makes more sense? All right, we got let's
walk com in. The odd couple crew lead the lap
is our producer, Don Brown is the engineers from Detroit.
Don Brown ask him again, will knock you down? And yes,
mister Steve de Seger is handling our updates today. So
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we have plenty of stuff. And Martin, I want to
start with the DeShawn Jackson situation with the Philadelphia Eagles.
And as most people know, you know, Deshaun put out
on social media a lot of anti Semitic stuff. He
wound up taking it back and apologizing, and you know,
(04:40):
all kinds of stuff is now out there and people
are trying to figure out. We have to assume, Martin,
that there will be some sort of fine, maybe a
suspension or something, because remember it is you represent the
organization that you work for. People who talk about freedom
of speech, they don't live in the real world. Freedom
(05:03):
of speech and you need to do your research and
read your history. Means that I could tell you that
I don't like the government, and the government police are
not going to knock on my door and put me
in a cell because I said something about the President,
or I said something about the Senate, or I said
something about something going on in the federal government. That's
(05:25):
the only protection you have, right when you work for
other people, Martin, you have to you can say whatever
you want. That doesn't mean there's not ramifications. Freedom of
speech is not necessarily freedom from repercussion, right, And it's
like it's freedom from necessarily government punishment for the press.
But this is all I've been studying in school for
the last couple Like the First Amendment is allowed for
(05:47):
the press, not necessarily football players. And the fact of
the matter is whether you want to talk about freedom
of speech whatever. This is something that de Sean Jackson
was going to have to answer for because at the
end of the day, a thirty year old man and
put on his Instagram page something that said that started
with the quote that said Hitler said, and ended it
with Hitler was right, okay, And at any point in time,
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there's certain people in history that we just don't talk
about in revering ways, and Hitler's one of them. So
I don't get it. I'm still I'm still flawed. I mean, Floyd,
not flawed, Floyd about how many people have used Hitler
in conversation for people. I just I'm shocked by it. Martin,
I I don't get it. I don't know what if
(06:30):
you remember the late March shot, if you could believe
this at some point and the obviously it got her
in hot water. Eventually she had to sell the team
Baseball made herself. But she she once said, Hitler was
was good in the beginning because he fixed the roads
and the economy of Germany. I mean, can you imagine
saying that, Well, it's just the fact of the matter.
(06:52):
If there's some people in the history of the world
who have done so much bad, it don't matter what
good they potentially could have done. Like, no matter what
you're trying to find, no matter what diamond and all
the rough you're trying to find, it doesn't matter, because
at the end of the day, it's just disrespectful to
all the terrible things that these people did. It's like,
if you're just Sean Jackson here, you can only really
chalk this up to two things, and that's either anti
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Semitism or ignorance. Now, if I'm the UNI, if I'm
the Philadelphia Eagles, I'm gonna say listen to Sean, you're
gonna pick ignorance and we're gonna put you. We're gonna
find you, and we're gonna give you all this type
of like a diversity type training, the same way we
did with Riley Cooper with six years ago, five years ago,
whenever that was. Now you just mentioned Riley Cooper And
for people who don't remember, Riley Cooper was a white
(07:37):
player who was at a country and western concert, Martin,
Is that right? And I believe it was Kenny Chesney
was the artist. Yeah, Kenny Chesney, and he got into
some altercation with the black security guard. And it wasn't
like just he was talking about the guy he was
in a disagreement with. He said something like I'll fight
(07:58):
all you ends here or something on that term, and
for whatever reason, it came out and the Eagles did
not do anything other than I think I think Martin,
he was fined or something and he was fine, and
he had he had to go actually take some sensitivity
training classes extended. I don't know about, but that did occur.
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And from there players Michael Vick was one who stood
up and and didn't demand that. Now, if I was
on that team, I probably would have said at that point,
is he practicing today? Because if he's practicing, then I'm
not practicing. And once Michael Vicker was the start of
the team kind of backed him. I think the Eagles
(08:44):
felt like they didn't have to do anything big time,
you know what I mean. But now in doing that, Martin,
here here's the problem. Not only did Ronnie Cooper get
to stay with the Eagles that year, he got a
contract extension and big money. Right, they signed him to
a five year deal. After that, he didn't live it through,
(09:06):
but they signed him to a five year They gave
him a big deal. And now here you are with
Deshan Jackson. Obviously, what he said, the anti semitism and
his comments are just terrible. They just are. And if
he was on any other team, Martin, any other team
(09:27):
that didn't have that Riley Cooper thing hanging over him,
he probably would be released, and a team has a
right to do it despite it being his public his
own opinion, and that you represent the organization, and when
people do stuff, say do commit crimes, whatever you want
to say, an organization has a right to say we
(09:51):
don't want those kind of people in our organization, and
they have a right to move on. They absolutely have
a right to I do wonder though, if other teams
like this is not this is obviously a horrible thing
to say, right this is you shouldn't say this, shouldn't
post it on your Instagram, which is apparently the same
deal ass saying it out loud, and you also shouldn't
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double down on it when people call you out on it.
All those things are true, but I have trouble with like,
I feel like the reason why Deshaan Jackson would get
cut for this is because he's thirty three years old
and slated to make over. I think the twelve million
dollars next year um and it's just an easier situation
if this was so, If if Patrick Mahomes said this.
Obviously he hasn't said anything nearly like this, but if
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he had said something like this, I don't think he'd
be in trouble at all. I mean, he'd be in trouble.
He'd be he'd be in in in trouble in the
public eye. But I'm talking you just saw Drew Brees
in trouble. I'm just talking about. It might not have
been that they were gonna release him, but he would
have had the beating that Drew Brees got. Who That's
(10:55):
what I'm saying. But you never worried about Drew Brees's
career with the Saints. No, that was on that And
that's what I'm saying in terms of, like I another,
if another football player had said this, who was at
the apex of his game and was I mean, time
and time again, football has shown us that owners, in
general managers value the ability on the football field over
everything else. That's always been the case with everything. It's
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it's in entertainment, it's in sports writing, broadcast, and people
who are very talented have a longer role. You know that, right,
and guys who aren't that good. So what is your gut?
Do you think he'll get cut? No, I don't think
he'll get cut. I think he's made He's apologized twice.
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I think the Eagles the Eagles had made their statement,
and the Eagles will probably force him to do some
type of sensitivity training, and then people will wash their
hands of it. I think. I don't think it's I
don't think that's necessarily right, but I think that's what
will occur. I think the only reason he's not getting
cut is because of the Riley Cooper situation and the
backlash that the Eagles will have to endure on why
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you turned the other cheek for Riley Cooper and you
didn't do it for Detroun Jackson. That that's it to me.
That's the only reason he wouldn't be cut, because all
the other stuff you talked about, the amount of money
he makes, he's thirty three's not the same player used
to be. It would it could be easy, he could
be easy to move on from him. Uh give given
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what he said. But but I don't believe it. I
think that the Eagles are painting themselves in a corner
and and and they don't have a choice. I really don't.
I would be stunned because it would be hypocritical that
they would do this in this situation. But when the
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shoe was on the other foot and it was Riley Cooper. Uh,
they they worked it out and they didn't release him.
When when you're in when you're a white player, you
use that term, and you're in a locker room that's
seventy seventy five percent, that's usually not gonna be a
comfortable situation for you. But somehow it worked out well.
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I mean, part of the reason, and Mike Vick has
alluded to it since then, he's part of it was
Mike Vick came out and said, like, look, I know Riley.
I'm paraphrasing, but I know Riley. I know it's hard.
That's how all apologies go these days. And the way
that and Mike has said like he didn't necessarily feel
comfortable doing that, but felt that he had to. And
(13:27):
I feel like that played a big role into why
Riley Cooper was able to walk back into that locker
room like that. I don't think that Deshaun Jackson's actually
they're going to have the same eyeballs on him that
Riley Cooper did walking back into the locker room, just
because of the demographics of it. However, I don't think
that that excuses him saying what he said, not ad
(13:48):
I was just about to say. I don't think that
excuses saying what he said. But I also like, if
I'm the Eagles and I feel this strongly about it,
I feel strong enough to make a statement about it,
then I'll come out and say, you know what, two
wrongs did not make it right. We messed up in
twenty fourteen. We messed up again at sixteen when we
extended him. He's no longer here referring to Riley Cooper.
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So like Deshaun Jackson, we're not gonna make the same
mistake here. I don't think the Eagles necessarily would. I
think if they came out and couched it in that way,
people couldn't really call him ever critically because they called
out their mistake that they made initially. Nope, in this climate,
with what's going on in this country, Martin, I don't
believe that the Eagles can do it. I don't believe
that they would. It would They would be hell to
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pay if they were to release him, given their history,
and I think people will look at that if they
had gotten rid of Riley Cooper. I'll tell you one thing,
people know, Black people couldn't have been pointing a finger
at the Eagles saying oh, this is oh, this isn't fair.
Decision't right because then they would say, look at what
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we did back then, we don't tolerate that in our organization.
Because Riley Cooper was allowed and got to pass, it
showed that they did tolerate it. Let me ask you this,
does this change your opinion at all? Riley Cooper's incident
was that he was drunk, or he admittedly had been drinking.
He was at a country hold on, hold on, hold
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on now, Deshan Jackson when he posted his post. It
was under the guise of trying to be trying to educate,
trying to learn. It wasn't It wasn't like no one
came like Riley Cooper was provoked. And Riley Cooper felt
that at least as if he was provoked by that
security guard. Nobody came up to Deshan Jackson and was like, Yo,
you should post this right now. You should post this
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right now. He didn't think and I'm going ahead, and
I'm thinking, I'm thinking that it was a level of ignorance.
I don't think he thought that what he was saying
was that bad. Is there? So is it a level
of like, does that change your opinion at all, whereas
Riley Cooper is saying the N word to intentionally hurt
somebody's feelings, whereas Deshan Jackson could just be ignorant here
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Anti Somatic doesn't. It's like going up. It's like going
in the court and saying, oh, I didn't know that
I was over the speed limit or I didn't know
that there was a stop sign there, or I didn't know. No,
because it still came out of your mouth and it
was attributed to you. You're not saying somebody put it
there and you didn't meet and you didn't say it.
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You said it. So there's ramifications with that. That's just
the world we live in. But all right, it is
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to get some fresh voices, some new black and brown
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and Fox Sports Radio. Martin. It will not be long
(17:45):
before the NBA gets underway, you know under the bubble
in Orlando. I'm calling it to Mickey Mouse Championship. But
you know there's a with all the protests going on,
everything that's happening in the country, the NBA supposed to
be woke and they want to do something different and
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lends support with using the jerseys to put names on
the back or saying on the back and some people
aren't that happy with the choices, and you just can't
put anything on the back. I remember Chris said if
it was his jersey, he would put reparations, that's what
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he would want. I do not believe that made the list.
Where are you on the NBA and limiting the names
and the sayings that you could have on your NBA
jersey this coming season. I simply cannot square the idea
that these are supposed to be like social justice free
speech level of messages and they're somehow you have to
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get them passed through that do you have to get
them regulated in some form or fashion like This is
another example of how professional sports leagues like the NBA
in the NFL, which is a different conversation for another segment,
but they're doing it as well. They're doing everything that
black people aren't asking for right. They're painting the floors
with saying black lives matter, they're changing the names on
the back of the jerseys, when in the reality situation
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is the people who are protesting in the streets, some
of them NBA players themselves, like Russell Westbrook, the Martin,
the Rose and you name it. There were guys out
there who dribble ball for a living, who are out
there protesting against police brutality, and until the league addresses that,
all of it seems just like an empty platitude to me, Like, like,
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how are you going to say that you can have
say their names on the back of the jersey, but
I couldn't put George Floyd on the back of my jersey,
Like it doesn't make any sense. I think that there
is an issue because I do believe the league is
going to put parameters in there and stuff. I understand
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what you're saying, and it's a big deal for them
to even do that. Maybe maybe they shouldn't have even
allowed the players to do it and just put up
stuff in the arena Martin on the floor, I'm just
saying because body was asking. Nobody was thinking, you know
what's gonna solve the problems here, Let's change Let's put
Lebron have a nickname on the back of his jersey. Nope,
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when they were protesting, that was when the Martin Rosen
and Russell Westbrook were walking the streets to LA holding
up Black Lives Matter signs. They were not holding it
up to change their names on the back of their jerseys.
Like I don't understand, like, well, it's a it's a form.
They think it's a form of support, and I do understand,
you know that, like like they're being supportive, they're listening
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to their players. There were a league that that isn't
the NFL who shun Colin Kaepernick four years ago and
ostracized him and told him to get lost and he
couldn't have a job. So the NBA's trying to say,
we're listening to our players. Obviously, the Players Association had
to be involved in this, Martin. It can't just be
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Adam Silver and a bunch of white guys at the
at the NBA office, you know, So this just has
to come from Part of it has to come from
the union. Well and part of it I would blame
the union as well, because this is a half step,
like for me, especially when you have and I know
people don't take women's basketball seriously and that's something that
they got to look in the mirror for. But there's
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Maya Moore just got Jeremy Irons out of prison. She
gave up her career playing basketball to go get a
guy out of prison. Prisoner for him, that's a that's
a form of caring for black lives. There's four different
w NBA players who have opted out of their career
dreams to go and act in social justice measures. If
the NBA really wants to do something, we should be
supporting them. They should everybody who should know those four
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wa w NBA players who opted out as opposed to
doing these half steps, Like, well, you also to remember
but when you say half steps, it is a business.
They were in business to make money. There's a playoffs.
I'm being realistic. I get it. If you want to
shut down everything and just focus in on social justice
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and police brutality and not play basketball until the world's
changed and fixed, good luck, because there's all kinds of
other stuff that has to be done in the meantime.
So so I get your point, but I but I
do think that that that's not their their their main focus,
even though it's a part of it and a part
of being involved. But there's still a business to run
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and I and I completely am I'm sympathetic to that.
I honestly and understand it. So I would not do
it at all. I would not get involved. I would
if I was the NBA, like officially, would not take
a stance. I would allow my players to I would
allow my players to do it and then let let
the public mitigate it out as it is. I don't
I don't think the NBA could do that because of
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where we are. This is a different time. Come on, Martin,
they're changing the name of Aunt Jemima and I mean
taking taking off pictures, and the Confederate flags come down
and statues are being toppled all over all kinds of stuff.
You know, Forever people were trying to get Washington's name
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in the NFL to be changing, no movement, nothing was happening,
and now we're gonna see it done in sixty days.
I mean, this is ever changing, ever moving a wheld
we live in, and the NBA couldn't just take up. Well,
you guys, do what you want and we'll sit over here.
That's why maybe they're doing too much or trying to
do too much in even allowing this to happen. But
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I'm not gonna knock the NBA for doing it. I
just I guess what my question is, is it cool
to have parameters or what it is that they should
have put on? And maybe if if you had to
have parameters, then maybe it's a bad idea from that standpoints,
you couldn't because I mean, what if what if somebody's
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social justice message was free Hong Kong? Then what right
like like this, like it's just a whole deal about
like it's to me, it's incredibly hypocritical for the league
to do it. And if I'm the players Association, if
I'm players who this really matters to, You're right, we
are at a time we're thinking. Like I grew up
in Louisiana, I never once thought in my life that
the Mississippi state flag will come down. It took two
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and as soon as the SEC said we're not playing
championship games here, which they weren't gonna play any Mississippi anyway,
they have to win them. But like once they said
we're not doing that anymore, that state flag came tumbling down.
Right now, you're right, we are in an unprecedented time.
At least we've never seen anything like that. So my
thing is here right now. If I've been alive for
thirty years, so I've never seen anything movement like this.
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Now now it was the time to go all the
way now, like now was the time. If I'm the
players Association. I'm pushing as hard as I can because
eventually there's going to be some pushback to all of
these things, and it's gonna get louder and louder and louder.
But until that day, I'm gonna go ahead and try
to get every advancement I can for people of color. Yeah,
but the only thing is and you make good points,
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but it is a business. That that's why they're down
in the bubble. If this wasn't a business, what would
they do? Right? Like that, Like it's easy for the
IVY League to pull all the sports and say we're
not playing. They don't make any money off of it. Right,
what I'm saying, I'm just saying, I get this money
on the table. On the tables. The people who are
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making the money are the same types of people the
people who are I say, I shouldn't say making the money,
the people who are the product that creates the revenue. Right,
So so the players, they're the ones who are out
there saying that this matters to them, and this is
why the NBA is responding in such a way. So
what I'm saying, if you're a player, like like everybody
made fun of Kyrie because he said, I'm not with
all the systemic racist racism and bs and that's why
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I didn't necessarily want to go to Orlando. But he's
the only guy that's like even made some type of
I mean every Bradley had in his statement he said,
so that Dwight Howard. I mean there were people who
but he I'm saying Kyrie is the only Kyrie is
the only star of the league right now. That made
a point big enough to where like I just read
the story of Howard Brian did about Bruce Maxwell in
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the Oakland A's organization back when Kapertin took a knee.
He wasn't a star, if people, and that's why he
was able to get blackball. Kaepernick wasn't a star to
the level of that he needed to quote be and
not get. And I do want to say this when
you say Bruce Maxwell, who was a catcher for the AIDS,
who did take a knee tomorrow, my uh inside the
Parker podcast drops and we had his agent on, Lonnie Murray,
(26:35):
who gave us some information that actually he was offered
a deal body A's So that was interesting. But you
can check that out and download the podcast tomorrow. That's
inside the Parker. She gives some sort of information about
about him. So I'm glad you brought that was it
wasn't the a's deal. Then you get offered the a's deal,
like a couple of months ago he was offered. He
was offered a deal. Is a point that she came up.
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I got you, I got you. But at the time
when he was released, there was nobody calling. He went
to go play baseball in Mexico, right, But Kyrie Irvy
is not a player that they're gonna do that too.
If he's has enough of a talent, he's enough for
the level and to be real, he's good enough friends
with Kevin Durant to where he's going. They're not gonna
kick him out of the league or they're not gonna
like that's what I'm saying, Like guys like that, guys
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like Lebron, guys like who are who say their social injustice,
to say their black lives matter, who say that they're
this and they're that, And I understand it. It's just
it's really hard for me to accept that players are
that the players would accept it, or that the NBA
would push this forward as a good idea for that
these nicknames on the back of their jerseys. When in
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the w NBA you have players who are actively sacrificing
their careers. And I'm not saying that the NBA players
should do it, but I'm just saying when you have
w NBA players who are and the NBA players are
doing this, it looks tone deaf to me. Yeah, I
think it's apples and oranges from the standpoint that they're
they're giving up their salaries and I'm not trying to
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be little the WNBA and how much money they make,
but they're giving up that Most of them go to
Europe Martin to make to make the real money, and
the WNBA does not pay that much, and they're willing
to sacrifice that. The NBA players are in a little
bit different situation. I'm not saying that somebody couldn't follow
that route, but I wanted, I did want to say
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that Jalen Brown of the Celtics and Mike Scott of
the seventy six ers are the ones who have been
the biggest As far as critical of the list, Brown
called it disappointing and Scott called it terrible and a
bad list. If you were a player, Martin, and you
weren't happy with the list, what would you put on
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your on your back? Would you just put your name
and not take part in it, or would you still
put something on it even though it's not something that
you would want from the list? I would just if
I was a player and this really mattered to me,
I would not I would put my name on the
back of my jersey and I would use my media
availability to tell everybody what I wanted to say. Probably
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the best thing that you probably could do. Yeah, because
especially if you're not happy with with the with the
list that you have to choose from it. To me,
it would be hard to put something on in your
heart's not in it. That's the thing it gives me. Like,
like professional athletes, there are people whose jobs are like
you and I, whose jobs are too chronicle. Whatever professional
athletes say, like the idea that like the idea that
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you can't get your your message out or you need
to have a words on the back of your jersey
to get your message out to me, sounds it's just
it's it's disingenuous. To me, it's it's it's a half step,
it's it's not a real thing. It's not. It's not
there's no real change or there's no real it's something
that feels really good. It looks great, but it's not.
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we're gonna get into some NFL talk with one of those,
uh guys who knows a lot about the league. Andrew
Bryant and Andrew brand I'm sorry, Andrew Brandt to comments
from mm QB. Sorry Andrew, he joined us now here
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on the eye couple. What's what's happening? Hey, guys, Good
to be with you. It's always a busy time when
there is sports, and it seems to be even busier
this year when they're no sports, because everyone's focusing on
what goes around the inner workings of these leagues and
teams and how things work. And it's been a nice
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time for me to kind of bring people behind the
curtain and see where it really goes into these decisions. Well, Andrew,
let's start. Of course, you're talking about people talking because
there's no games, but the Seawan Jackson and the Eagles obviously,
the anti Semitic comments, he apologize, all kinds of stuff
going on. People are talking about it. And the Eagles
(31:55):
have a little bit of a history. They had the
Riley Cooper situation. Nothing, nothing bad happened. They didn't release
him when when he was involved in an incident. He
was in the N word. Where are you on this?
Where are the Eagles on this and the Sewan Jackson.
How's this all shake out? Yeah, it's an interesting one
(32:17):
because the Sean Jackson has had a couple of stints
on the Philadelphia Eagles, as everyone knows, drafted by Andy
Reid here during the Chip Kelly era where the Riley
Cooper incident happened to Sean Jackson was in that locker
room and saw what happened and actually saw Michael Vick
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take up for Riley Cooper, which allowed him back into
the fold. And here we are, here we are, and
what he did is abhorrent, it's vile. I just think
that there's a lot of apologies going on. But you know,
this is not a twenty three year old anymore. This
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is thirty year old who's been around several contracts in
the NFL teams like the Redskins and what's going on
there with the name, and he's got to be more aware.
And that's you know, I've been an agent for many years.
I would not expect this from any client who's in
his thirties. Just the lack of awareness, and it's almost like,
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you know, you don't know who Hitler is, or you
don't know saying saying anti Semitic things is wrong. So
these are the kind of things the Eagles have to
deal with. Okay, So I'm here in Philadelphia. I know
Eagles management and ownership well, I know exactly what they're
going through, which is, do we want to engage in
this what people would call cancel culture and get rid
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of them? Where do we want to go with that?
And there's get rid of them on one end of
the spectrum, there's do nothing on the other end of
the spectrum. And I think they'll be somewhere in the middle.
I think the Cooper incident that I mentioned is a
problem because anything in sports is about precedent, and they're
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hearing from de Shaun and or his agent about Cooper,
if there's threats about releasing him, if there's threats even
about finding him because Cooper had no discipline? Was there
no discipline? I didn't realize there was nothing. My understanding
is there was sending him out away for a few days.
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It was in training, sensitivity, training and sensitivity, which again
people can roll their eyes at those kind of things.
So my senses, the Eagles are doing what every organization
does is do the risk analysis. He's got guaranteed money,
that's probably a factor. But on the other hand, they
took a receiver number one, so that's a factor that
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they could live without him. So my guess is he
is not released. He goes to send sitivity training, he
learns as everyone's learning in these last few months, and
there is some kind of discipline in terms of a fine,
maybe keeping away from the first few days of camp
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or something like that. But I don't think he'll be terminated.
Let's go move on to a guy who's definitely not
going to get cut anytime soon. Patrick Mahomes signs a
ten year contract with the reported up to over half
a billion dollars five five hundred and three million dollars.
And from what I've read from you, Andrew, this is
(35:35):
a bad deal from Mahomes. Can you please explain to
me how half signing a half a billion dollar contract
potentially it could be a bad deal. I'm getting that question.
I'm gonna stay away from the hot take bad winner, loser,
good bad? A team friendly deal? How could it be
a team friendly? Is what I should have said, team
friendly because they have just signed the most precious assets
(35:56):
in the National Football League for essentially his life in
the NFL, And to me, that's worth gold, and more
gold than he got. First of all, it's not it's
five hundred million dollars if he hits every incentive, which
he obviously won't, and it's four hundred and seventy million
if he is there every minute for the next twelve years,
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which is not guaranteed. It's not Bryce Harper, it's not
Mike Trout, it's not tick a name, Kevin Durant, Lebron James. Right,
all that money, are you getting every nickel of that? Right?
So everyone can say, well, of course the Chiefs will
never cut back mahomes. And to that I would say, well,
then if that was true, the agents would say, just
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guarantee it, because the Chiefs are saying, no, we won't
because we want that optionality. And when I heard ten
years or twelve years, my first question was, Okay, what's
the optionality? And let me explain that word. Does he
have an O doubt like Lebron like all these basketball players.
Does he have a way to get out? No? Does
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he have optionality with adjustment? In other words, when quarterbacks
pass him by, which they will in the next years,
can he adjust to that? No? Does he have optionality
with cap percentages. Has been rumored, even reported by Adam
Schefter that there were cap adjustments every year. Now, so
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what he has is basically a few years guaranteed like
every good player, and then the series of one year
team options for the Chiefs and if everything goes perfectly,
he makes this number over twelve thirteen years. If not,
he doesn't. And I just think the real value in
sports from a business point of view, which is my expertise,
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is either reaching or getting close to free agency. That's
where the pot of gold is. And my home has
just gave that away. It's gone. He'll never be there.
And I'll give you this last stat next three years. Now,
these are the first three years of this massive contract. Right,
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He'll make sixty three million, Teddy Bridgewater will make sixty
three million. Wow. Ryan Tannehill will make seventy seven million.
So right away you look at those numbers, and that's
again the power what I said with free agency versus
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being under contract. Andrew Brant is our guest, of course
Columbus from Monday Morning Quarterback, host of the Business of
Sports podcasts. Let's talk about Cam Newton. Cam Newton signed
his contract officially today. One year with the Patriots, what
are you expecting from him? Andrew? I know he's been
banged up the last couple of years. A lot of
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people think that's Cam, the banged up Cam. He's not
an old guy. Ken he bounce back. He can and
I think like you, like everyone who're kind of rooting
for it to happen in the Patriots. But again I
get back to my expertise the business of football. There
was no business for Cam Newton four months. Four months
(39:20):
he sat on the street and the biggest indicator of
what a team thinks of you is your contract. And
he basically I know the puffing again when we talk
about these contracts up to seven million. He basically has
a minimum deal. And when I hear minimum deal, I hear,
well the team can get out, you know, the team
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can get out. Like if they don't think he's what
they thought he would be in training camp, he's gone.
The issue I have in New England is they have
a guy named Brian Hoyer who is made and like
the ultimate prototype for backup quarterback. It's been his life right,
He's the backup. So Jared'stidham is either one or three.
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Cam Newton is either one or three and maybe not
even three, because Cam Newton as a three doesn't seem
to make sense for anyone in my mind. So I
just think that, you know, do they want to push
Jared Stidham down the third string? Maybe? Maybe? Or Cam Newton.
It's just a look, see, we'll see. Andrew. I want
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to ask you, because you gave out the ten year
contractor Brett Farr, yes, I did, what are the biggest
differences between Mahomes' deal now and the deal that you
offered to far and how does that feel? Something? Know
that you signed a guy for that long of a
period of time, right, like, like, how did you feel
when you on the other end of that deal not
being the player? Obviously? You know, I think you want
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you want to hit the marks. And if you sort
of drill down into these deals, what's the motivation And
let's art now, motivation for the Mahome side is obviously
staying there in security. But that number, that number you
started this interview with half a billion dollars and back
in the day that number for the farm and there
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was Steve McNair and it was Drew bledsoe that number
was one hundred million and based on what the market time,
Sure do you change? Huh yeah? And Drew bledso I
say that name. We just talked about Patriots because he
was kind of in my crosshairs doing that contract. We
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had to hit that mark. He got that whatever ten
year one hundred million, and so we did ten years
one hundred and something million, and that was the market
back then, and that's where we had to hit it.
And I felt like, Okay, you know, we've got what
we thought was the best parental league under contract for
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ten years worth a premium, paying that and happy to
do it. Andrew the team in Washington is going to
change its name looks like that. I know they're saying
they have a committee. I'm once our sponsors and advertisers
get involved. It's almost a short bet that is going
to be changed. Have you heard any behind the scenes
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about Daniel Snyder? He was outspoken. I remember his famous
quote that it would never happen under his watch, and
he said you could capitalize. Never to reporters, how quickly
are you surprised at how quickly this thing turned? Well?
I say this too as someone who grew up Morning
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raised diehard fan of that team. And actually grew up
within a couple of miles of a guy named Dan Snyder,
and I didn't know him, of course, but we both
grew up the same era, same age, diehard fans. And
he went on to buy the team and I went
on to talk to you guys. You got the short
end of the stick, for sure, But I never thought
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of it growing up as a racist term, of course,
But things change, I do now, and I think maybe
maybe even he's come to that with a strong push,
as you know, from Nike, from Pepsi, and most of
all from FedEx their naming rights partner, money talks, and
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so I'm pretty confident this name is going to change.
Here's what's really got me amazed. I'm hearing not only
will the name change, but the name might change before
the season, right. That's the shocking thing. It's incredible because
as a veteran of the league, I know how things move.
It's like a freight ship turning in a small dock.
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You know, it takes forever. And now we've got to
talk about by September. That's two months. I'm like, oh
my god, can they really do that? Because he got
all the logos, the marks, the lawyers the trademarks. Yes,
and maybe we have some provisional situation for twenty twenty
before it really goes into action next year. All right, Andrew,
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we appreciate you. Andrew Brand of course read its column.
Column is for the Monday Morning Quarterback. A great wed.
We all know that we appreciate your knowledge. Thank you
so much, and we'll see you down the road, my pleasure. Guys,
take care of all right. It is the Odd Couple
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