August 16, 2023 • 27 mins
FOX Sports Radio host Alan Lee is in for Chris, and he and Rob explain why the New York Jets are destined to underwhelm this upcoming season, tell us why the New York Yankees need to get back to their Evil Empire roots if they want to win again and share why NFL and college head coaches temporarily promoting minority coaches to head gigs is just a token gesture.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
I warned football fans, Jets fans with Aaron Rodgers fans
just a couple of days ago, be careful stamping their
card or punching their ticket to the Super Bowl already
off the preseason, off of the roster on paper and
all that other stuff I said.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Easily, the Jets could wind up being the Mets.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You remember the Mets at one, one hundred and one
games that get your burland.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Or everybody's like, well, they're going to the World Series.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
They have the highest payroll in the history of Major
League higher payroll than the Yankees, the highest payroll ever,
and they flopped. Here's the issues with what I have
with the Jets. The offensive line is not up to par.
In a joint practice today against the Tampa Bay Bucks.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Aaron Rodgers sacked on four out of six plays.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
That really like you win and got this Hall of
Fame quarterback and your offensive line is leaky.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Not a good look. Yeah, you go ahead and you
get this. Here's the other thing, Allen.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
The AFC is loaded, is the division is loaded. Buffalo Miami.
Then we gotta say, you always gotta go through Kansas City.
You got Cincinnati and Joe Burrow, you got Lamar in Baltimore.
Maybe Brown's wake up with you know, uh, Deshaun Watson,
(02:05):
there's there's Herbert and with the with the Chargers in La.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Can I stop?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I mean, I've already just given you eight or nine
team with talented quarterbacks and good teams all that, and
now you know, uh, let's take a listen to Robert
Salah talking about on Hard Knocks last night about the
offensive line, and then I'll let you go.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
You're gonna have a Hall of Fame quarterback. You're gonna
have two ten million dollar plus receivers. You're gonna have
a reigning offensive rookie of the Year. You can have
all kinds of skill in the running back room. None
of it matters until the big boys up front, change
who the we are. We as coaches, we as an
organization can't want it more than you.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And there it is, am I that crazy to say
the Jets could be the Mets.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (02:52):
And the crazy thing about that is so you go
out and you get the shiny toy to come in
and think that it's all of a sudden gon turn
everything around, and you don't address the things that need
to be addressed to help that shiny toy. Aaron Rodgers
is not getting any younger, so you know he's not
going to be able to scramble like he used to.
So the what you address needed to be addressed, Like
(03:13):
the offensive line. You knew it was bad going in,
so you should have addressed that also in addition to
Aaron Rodgers. But you know, you thought football is one
of those sports and just signing one guy it's not
necessarily going to get you to the Promised Land. It's
it is a total team game. You know, everybody's got
to do their part to be successful in a football game.
You know, even the quarterback can make plays, but you
(03:33):
got to have guys who get open. You got to
have guys who also make plays. You have to have
an offensive line that does it stop to protect that person,
you have to have a defense that clamps down. And
when you can, when you get both of those things
right on both sides of the football, you're a powerhouse.
You know. If you have a great defense and a
great offense, you're talking about kicking people's butt in the league.
(03:54):
But when you got problems somewhere and all of a sudden,
well we got Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Ryot and I get it.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
They didn't have a quarterback last year and they won
seven games. Right, the defense is good, but you got
to protect a thirty nine year old quarterback. I don't
care who you are, Alan, If they don't protect you,
you could be Patrick Mahomes if you're sacked four out
of six times and plays what are you?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Who are you getting the ball to?
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Nobody? This is a real deal.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
And for coaches to and you know, I haven't watched
hard knocks in a long time, but for a coach
to come out that sometimes doesn't sit well either. And
you call out your players in the preseason like that.
Some guys will take to that and take responsibility for
that and want to get better. Other guys are gonna
go Why is he yelling at us?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
No, I get it, it's not at all.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
It can be dicey because you could have two reactions
as you just said, but this is uh. I think
people need to just pump the brakes. And I'm not
saying or ruling out that you're just gonna have a
fantastic season. I'm not saying that right, but I'm saying
it ain't done on paper. We we just talked before
the show started. I love the Padres and Mets going
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into the season. Neither one of them are making the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Yes you did?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I did.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
I not, Yes you did, And I told you that
the Dodgers were still going to win that division and.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
One not in a row where I don't know where
that came from. They got who's that rookie? Who's the rookie?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Pitch? Yesterday?
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Bobby Miller.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Bobby Miller would he retired eighteen straight.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
At one point.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Dude is deadly, man. He's got great stuff. He's got
good stuff. Don't get me started on baseball. No, that's
a whole nother tangent.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
But just give me, what are you? What are your thing?
Speaker 6 (05:40):
You talked about Aaron Rodgers and also and you address
that correctly. It's no longer the same division that he
used to playing. Now he could he could sort of
get by with some flaws on his team. You can't
do that.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
And now he's in now because Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I'm not that high on Buffalo, but until then they
fall off totally out. They're a team that am I right,
like they should win the division, like if you look
at them and what they've done, because you got to remember,
the Jets are trying to put this all together in
one year, whereas Buffalo has been a well oiled machine
for the last few years.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Right, offensively, Miami is loaded.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
At Miami offensively, all you got to do is keep
too a healthy and not in concussion protocol. Right, if
he can not get banged around and play. We saw that, dude,
We saw him have an unbelievable comeback. You remember last
year against Baltimore, like that was for the ages.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Yeah, so except the road for him. And you said
the Jets could surprise you, But that's a that's a
big hill of the climb in that division, big hill
of the climb. It's not like you're playing against the
Bears twice twice, as you know, and Lions don't love
a Lions. It's not that same situation anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Or when Tom Brady was in the when the AFC,
we know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
When when when Tom Brady was in the AFC East
and he had back then, right, the Jets a couple wins.
Buffalo was bad. Every year he had at Miami, he
had six wins before the season even started. Yeah, right, yeah,
So those are the things that you start to look
at and go, it ain't the same.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It ain't your Tom Brady AFC.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Right, And I think I had a nice pickup picked
up Dalvin Cook. I like him, right, That's a good
insurance policy to have back there in that backfield.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
But it ain't. It ain't just a paper championship.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
And that's my point and one of the glaring weaknesses
and the things that if you're a Jets fan.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
You should be very very afraid.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Is the offensive line not just the four sacks in
six plays in this joint practice. How about you know
Aaron Rodgers broken his collar bone a few times, am
I right?
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
God forbid, nobody's wishing it on him, But God forbid
somebody comes in clean from the line, pops them and
your thirty nine year old quarterback. He could change a
whole season if you don't protect that guy.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Trust me, I'm sure at thirty nine he doesn't run
as well as he did when he was twenty five.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And you remember it used to be really good at
running and escape in trouble. Right, So there's a lot
of stuff there. I'm just gonna say, if I have
to bet my money, I don't believe the Jets are
going to the Super Bowl. I just I don't care
all the hype, all the stories coming out of ESPN
and all these people writing these glowing things and whatnot.
(08:27):
I just I think it's going to be hard. If
Aaron Rodgers comes to this team and pulls it off. Dude,
it changes everything about his rite, his legacy, not that
he doesn't have one. He has a great legacy. He
won a Super Bowl, four MVPs, all pro. I'm not
saying his legacy isnt set, But wouldn't that heighten it
(08:48):
To go to franchise and won the Super Bowl since
nineteen sixty nine, and to.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Win it in that division and in that league and
in that city, Oh, that'd be amazing. He'd be on
you know, they'd reck the statue out front for him,
there's no doubt in my mind. Right, No, that'd be
an amazing achievement. You're talking about Super Bowl. I don't
even think they're not gonna win that division. There's no
way I see the Jets even winning that division. So
(09:12):
you got Buffalo still until further notice in Miami, Yeah,
you got those two. I don't see how you can
vault over both of those teams to win it. Now,
when you're bringing in a new entity that has to
get to know a new offense, has to get to
know all the guys around him, and you're talking about
not having any injuries. Other teams that we have seen
that the Bills have been good for several seasons now,
(09:34):
and the Dolphins have really taken a step forward. So
now you're talking about vaulting two teams that have been
consistently good over the past couple of season. That's just
gonna be a difficult task to do.
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you get your podcast. The Yankees are losing the night
to nothing in Atlanta's just a free fall, my god,
And I gotta say this, and I know it's cliche.
George Steinbrenner is rolling over in his grave. Nobody we
get it. George Steinbrener is long gone house. Dwan Brenner,
(10:40):
his son, is running the team. But the Yankees, with
the penny pinching and not wanting to spend money, they
got to get back to to what they used to be,
which was the big boys on the block. Matter of fact,
even Pedro Martinez, this is what he said about the Yankees,
and you know what, I think he's spot on.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
I remember watching the Yankees, certainly the season and when
they were going well, they look like so confident. It
was like watching a bulldog beat up on the Chihuahua
when they were playing those teams, and now they look
like the Chihuahuas to any other team, especially a good
team like the Atlanta Braves. I mean, it looks like
no match. And today they didn't play the cleanest game.
(11:21):
They didn't pitch the way they should have. Even though
sev Reno looked like he was sharp, he just used
his pitch is the wrong way. So I don't know
what it is. If it's a you know, confidence matter
that they have inside the clubhouse, is that a character
matter that they have. But man, they shouldn't look this vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
They need thanks Pajoe, they need better players. When judges
out of that line up, that team is pathetic, am
I right?
Speaker 6 (11:53):
I think somebody the other day said, if you compare
the Atlanta Braves and the New York Yankees, how many
Yankees and that roster would break the Braves lineup like Aaron,
Aaron judge. That's it. That was it.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
They got Michael Harris to second. Allen who is the
rookie of the Year in the National League last year,
he's batting ninth.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Yeah, that lineup is scary for the Brave ninth, but
the Yankees, it is an embarrassment to watch him play
right now, and to have both New York teams totally
out of the picture. I can't even imagine what it's like. Oh,
you know, people in New York are sick.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
You know, New York's a baseball town, and people are
sick that here we are in August and if September
baseball is gonna roll around and it's not going to meet,
they're gonna be playing out the string. And I'm gonna say,
Aaron Boone will get fired. I get it, you know
what I mean. He's the manager. He's gonna get fired.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
But it's not his fault.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
But what about Brian Cashman, who's been the general manager?
You ready, twenty five years. Twenty five years as a
general manager in pro sports is almost It's not like
they won twenty championships in those twenty five years. They
haven't won since two thousand nine, Living Alley. The last
time the Yankees won a championship was.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Win Moby Dick was a guppy.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Moby Dick was a guppy Alan.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
That's how long it's been.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Oh God, hitting young men lines around here, that line.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I know it was original I wrote it forty years ago. No,
but you get my point, like like like the Yankees
need to get back to flexing their muscles. Like when
the Dodgers went out and they traded for Mookie Betts
and then signed them to the three hundred million dollar
contract A star, young star. They went out and said,
(13:37):
we're gonna red Sox. You want to play around with
a talent of future Hall of famer, will take them.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
And they did their homework. You know you got a
guy that stays healthy, a character guy, character guy. You know,
somebody that winner, somebody can handle the pressures of playing
in the big market. That's another thing that Cashing has
done it to me in the past several years. They've
signed guys and when they get the New York City,
it's too big for them.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
The stage they stay right, they fall off the stage right. No,
I'm with you and Cashman, I get it. You did
a nice job. You need a new voice. You need
stop with all the analytics and all these guys. Go
get me a couple of masters. But give Judge two
or three other guys that you're going to be like, wow,
they are unwatchable when he's not in the lineup right.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
I remember watching Yankee games when I was younger. No
matter who was in that lineup, you always felt that
the Yankees were going to be competitive, that they never
gave up. I watched the Yankees now and I'm like, Okay,
they're down five to nothing, that's it.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And you and you're looking at the lineup, going, who's this?
Who coming up on that?
Speaker 6 (14:39):
What it's like this team isn't coming Back's the only
reason I'm watching this game now is to see if
judge it's home run.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And even then, I mean last year and obviously when
he got hurt and missed that time because they got
off to a good start and then they signed Rendon.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
They always signed a guy's injuries. Yeah several. Reno can't stay.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Healthy, you know, like he was then opening day start
a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
And the sad thing this season, you're totally wasting Garrett Coles.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Coles pitching, Gray gonna be the MURCA League Saw Young
Award winner, most innings pitch, second in the e R.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
He's done his part, but there's nothing else.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Blew a game in which he started the other day,
which they had the big lead, and then they just
lost it.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Lost.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I mean, big Tom, that was another just.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Blown So yeah, I mean, like like Pedro said, nobody
fears the Yankees anymore. You just walk into town and go, Okay,
we're gonna win this series.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It's frustrating to watch, just as a baseball fan. Forget
about rooting. I'm not rooting for him, but just to watch,
they're not compelling. Here's another night, all right. They got
blown out. They got blown out by the Braves yesterday
to nothing in the night. It's the fifth inning. They
can't they can't manufact they can't do anything right.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
And like I said, I don't know what Cash is watching.
Other teams have seen, especially this season, and I think
this season called Sun teams by surprise, as the house
speed is gonna now play into into this game well,
with the pizza boxes, with the basis and how many
times you can throw over the first it's a different
game now. And in the offseason they didn't allow for that.
(16:08):
The Yankees didn't assume that hindsight being what it is,
even not knowing the year that he was going to have.
If I was the Yankees, I would have at least
gone after Cody Bellinger in the offseason.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Boy nobody could expected that.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
But I hear what we just saying that short porch
and right field.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And they need left handed hitters the two big hitters
or what right handed?
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I mean, rob g you got something.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
Yeah, just to illustrate your point about how bad the
Yankees have been this season, you mentioned they'd lost four
in a row. They are twelve and twenty two since
July fourth, and if they lose tonight to the Braves,
they're currently down two to nothing top of the fifth,
it'll be their first time being five hundred or below
five hundred this late in the season since nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Think about that, how long ago Allen nineteen ninety five.
They're always in the mix. Look at where they are.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Yeah, by this time, Cash probably got a nice house
in the Hampton's. I'm sorry, after twenty five years a
size player, a nice little pad downtown in Manhattan. You
know he's the Yankees have been good to him. It's
maybe time to accept an advisory role on the staff
and move in a different I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
There's only two jobs you get to keep forever, okay,
and that's Pope until you die and Supreme Court Justice.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I have everything else has an expiration.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Date on it, and I think Brian Cashman's exploration Day
has definitely a come.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
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Speaker 3 (17:42):
Alan, Let's let's talk about this, so Rob g we
want you to jump in because there's all this. You know,
we know there's a problem in the NFL with black
assistant coaches getting a head coaching job.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Eric B Enemy's had like fifteen thousand interviews and despite
other players, other coaches, I say, having less experience, less
success as coordinators, They've gotten jobs and opportunities, but Eric
B enemy hasn't. And then you have some you know,
crazy people with sugar on the radio here who will
(18:18):
sit there and swear up and down that there isn't
a race issue in the NFL. Because there is. They
had to put in the Rooney Rule Allen to force
owners to interview black applicants. Just think about to sit
for a guy to sit on the radio and tell
you that there's no issue with racing NFL. It's just
mind boggled. Why would you have a Rooney rule. Is
(18:40):
there Rooney ruin and Major League Baseball no? Is it
one in the NBA No.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
And teams still getting around that whole rule, right, you
know when they go, well, this is the guy we
really wanted to hire. We identified him as being the
guy we want.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
If you remember in Detroit when Matt Millen was the
general manager, everybody did the cat got out of the
bag that they were going to hire Steve Mariucci. Yes,
and then the league was like, uh, you can't do that, right,
it was already out and black assistant coaches refused to
come to Detroit for an interview.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Because it was a sham.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
They could have come and got the free hotel room
and the steak dinner and all that, but they knew
there was no job. Everybody and their uncle knew that
Mooch was getting that job. So it was fraudulent. And
now what's happening, Rob G's gonna explain is you have
head coaches again who feel compelled to give black assistance
(19:36):
a token gesture.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
And I just want to get your take on this once,
Rob G.
Speaker 9 (19:40):
Gibson's well, you kind of explained it there, Rob, but
it's not even just an NFL issue because, as you mentioned,
a couple of weeks ago, Titian's head coach Mike Rabel
promoted longtime assistant coach to Rel Williams, who was black,
to acting head coach.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Several days before.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
Their first preseason game, he installed the game plan determine
which the Stars would play, and Rabel said it was
a good UH practice for him assuming he ever wants
to get an NFL hel coaching job. Well, Lane Kiffin,
head coach at Ole Miss took it a step further
the following week. He promoted their wide receiver coach or
excuse me, their their their, yeah, their wide receiver coach
(20:17):
Derek Nis to temporary head coach for their scrimmage for
twenty four hours.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
They had a Big Old.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
Miss, you know, basically a spring game in the summer,
and he was head coach for there. And he added
on specifically afterwards when I asked about it, he said
that it's really unfortunate that between the SEC and the
Big twelve, we have no minority head coaches, and this
was his way of kind of doing his part to
change that.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Alan, where are you on this on these gestures by
college coach NFL uh to you know, hey, hey buddy,
why don't you run the game plan for the day
or let me let me turn over the reins to
you or whatever. I mean, you know, an especial game
that don't count like these are just like some meaningless
preseason And I'm not trying to totally disrespect the notion,
(21:08):
but where are you want?
Speaker 6 (21:09):
You know that surmids, you have a little bit now
you have to take your kids to work day. It's
kind of like, let's take my black coaches the workday
and let them be a head coach for a day.
Did you have a great time? Did you have experience?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Did you understand how we did that?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
You see, like you make up seventy percent of the
players out there, but you can't totally understand football, right right,
you could play it, but you can't, right, I can't understand.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
It's old rule that even for the longest time, when
they wouldn't let black quarterbacks have an opportunity in pro
football to play it, to become you know, head, you know,
the leader team. But yeah, the opportunities are not there.
And it's a joke when you know, and I understand
that even to some extent when you're really just starting out,
and you know, you really don't honestly have a chance
(21:54):
to get a job yet like that, if you want
to just go through the interview process to see what
it's like, yeah, I don't know, there's a certain point
that later on in your career, like dude, what else
do I have to do?
Speaker 8 (22:06):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
And this is my issue practice interviews. If I was okay,
I'm a columnist and and and they say, hey, you know,
come to the Washington Post so.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
You could practice interview. There's no job for you we
want to get.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I'm not going right, Okay, I'm just not right because
it's it's insulting to me because I should.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Have enough You should have enough friends and be able
to take what that experience is like anyway, and I
can walk you through it.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
You could walk me through and let me know, like
I've you know, I mentor a lot of young people.
I'll tell them what to be prepared for, what kind
of questions they need to ask, challenge the interviewer. Don't
just sit there and just like yeah, yeah, you know
what I mean. Things like that. But I don't want
to be don't waste my time. I don't need a
free meal or for you to check a box and say, oh, yeah, well,
(22:53):
at least we had a black guy in I'm not
hiring them, but we talked to somebody.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
You know, like I said, it's more like, oh, we
Rob's in New York, so I can go get a
free steak dinner and a free plane trip and the
hotel and hang out with Rob. You know. I look
at it as a nice paid for a trip, but
it is insulting. It's getting to the point that and
and and then it comes out that some of the players,
I guess we're complaining about Eric the Enemy about saying
(23:18):
that he's really tough on him. Well, you don't hear
those same complaints about other coaches in the league who
have been tough on players for years. But because Eric
the Enemy is tough on players, it all of a
sudden became an issue.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
No, and and that's another issue one. And then they
use that against them, you know what I mean. Like
and then if it was if he wasn't that guy,
then it would be, oh, Eric Beennemy's running the country club.
Oh you know, he's so soft, you know, like like
you can't win, you can't win. I just I don't
know about it. I feel I'm against the Rooney rule. Okay,
(23:52):
Chris and I argue about it a lot. I'm against it.
I'm sorry. I just don't insult me, right, I don't.
I don't want to token in it. You is there
a job, Here's my resume. If I'm not good enough
alan for the with my resume, don't don't. Don't bring
me in. There are plenty of guys who were talented enough.
We saw, like, uh, what was the name? Joe Judge
(24:15):
was like a special teams coach, didn't have it even
never coordinating.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
He gets the Giants head coaching job.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
How right? I think the problem is when you start
talking about playing pro football, it becomes a situation where
you don't have much power sometimes as a player. But
I would think on a collegiate level, if I was
an athlete in the collegiate level, and I was highly recruited,
and I wanted to go to school there, and and
and that was an issue to me, I would say,
(24:41):
I'm not coming to your school. I'm not going to
play for your team unless I see better representation amongst
your coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
See, there you go. You and I are on the
same page.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Now, once you start losing the athletes, it's gonna change.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
That that that is it alan because once the players
say no, I'm not going to go to an organization
that doesn't give. And this is the big thing. Until
you start to do that and make them feel it
where players aren't going and there's not opportunity for people
after the fact, that's when there's an issue that and
(25:18):
that's when you start to lose people.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
If some teams in the in the in the sec
all of a sudden aren't getting that athlete anymore, those
kinds of athletes anymore, and you start losing on the
national scale all of a sudden, it'll change. It was
most certainly change.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
And it's a tough spot to be in. As far
as black head coaches, I'm not saying that because the
league is seventy five percent black, that seventy five percent of.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
The coaches should be black. But it shouldn't be the
minuscule numbers we have.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Right right, you know, Like like lang Kiffin said that
the fact that there is not one head coach in
that whole.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Wasn't wasn't Where was sly Kroum. You remember he was
at Mississippi or something. You remember he was a head coach,
like I think the only one, Yeah, was it Mississippi
in sec.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
I believe it might have been. Yeah, But yeah it's
an Embarsissippi state. That's what I was gonna say. Embarrassing representation.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
And if you're the NFL, uh, this still shouldn't be
an issue in twenty twenty three. It just shouldn't. Eric
be en of me if nothing else. Okay, deserves an
opportunity that I've seen some other guys who just haven't
even done anything. I just just because you like him,
because they talk a big game, or do you want results,
say whatever you want. He won two Super Bowls. Well
(26:33):
he didn't call a player by Andy Reid call the plays.
But then the other three guys who were there before
them all got head coaching jobs and Andy Wee was
calling the plays on those as as offensive coordinator too,
So why why didn't that didn't apply to those guys?
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Right? I didn't think they called Well, the Lions got
a fair shake. I mean he was.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
He did a good job for Giants.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
It's like, okay, this is a real short stint of
letting this guy try to put you in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
It was definitely a mistake
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
I warned football fans, Jets fans with Aaron Rodgers fans
just a couple of days ago, be careful stamping their
card or punching their ticket to the Super Bowl already
off the preseason, off of the roster on paper and
all that other stuff I said.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Easily, the Jets could wind up being the Mets.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You remember the Mets at one, one hundred and one
games that get your burland.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Or everybody's like, well, they're going to the World Series.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
They have the highest payroll in the history of Major
League higher payroll than the Yankees, the highest payroll ever,
and they flopped. Here's the issues with what I have
with the Jets. The offensive line is not up to par.
In a joint practice today against the Tampa Bay Bucks.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Aaron Rodgers sacked on four out of six plays.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
That really like you win and got this Hall of
Fame quarterback and your offensive line is leaky.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Not a good look. Yeah, you go ahead and you
get this. Here's the other thing, Allen.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
The AFC is loaded, is the division is loaded. Buffalo Miami.
Then we gotta say, you always gotta go through Kansas City.
You got Cincinnati and Joe Burrow, you got Lamar in Baltimore.
Maybe Brown's wake up with you know, uh, Deshaun Watson,
(02:05):
there's there's Herbert and with the with the Chargers in La.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Can I stop?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I mean, I've already just given you eight or nine
team with talented quarterbacks and good teams all that, and
now you know, uh, let's take a listen to Robert
Salah talking about on Hard Knocks last night about the
offensive line, and then I'll let you go.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
You're gonna have a Hall of Fame quarterback. You're gonna
have two ten million dollar plus receivers. You're gonna have
a reigning offensive rookie of the Year. You can have
all kinds of skill in the running back room. None
of it matters until the big boys up front, change
who the we are. We as coaches, we as an
organization can't want it more than you.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And there it is, am I that crazy to say
the Jets could be the Mets.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (02:52):
And the crazy thing about that is so you go
out and you get the shiny toy to come in
and think that it's all of a sudden gon turn
everything around, and you don't address the things that need
to be addressed to help that shiny toy. Aaron Rodgers
is not getting any younger, so you know he's not
going to be able to scramble like he used to.
So the what you address needed to be addressed, Like
(03:13):
the offensive line. You knew it was bad going in,
so you should have addressed that also in addition to
Aaron Rodgers. But you know, you thought football is one
of those sports and just signing one guy it's not
necessarily going to get you to the Promised Land. It's
it is a total team game. You know, everybody's got
to do their part to be successful in a football game.
You know, even the quarterback can make plays, but you
(03:33):
got to have guys who get open. You got to
have guys who also make plays. You have to have
an offensive line that does it stop to protect that person,
you have to have a defense that clamps down. And
when you can, when you get both of those things
right on both sides of the football, you're a powerhouse.
You know. If you have a great defense and a
great offense, you're talking about kicking people's butt in the league.
(03:54):
But when you got problems somewhere and all of a sudden,
well we got Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Ryot and I get it.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
They didn't have a quarterback last year and they won
seven games. Right, the defense is good, but you got
to protect a thirty nine year old quarterback. I don't
care who you are, Alan, If they don't protect you,
you could be Patrick Mahomes if you're sacked four out
of six times and plays what are you?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Who are you getting the ball to?
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Nobody? This is a real deal.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
And for coaches to and you know, I haven't watched
hard knocks in a long time, but for a coach
to come out that sometimes doesn't sit well either. And
you call out your players in the preseason like that.
Some guys will take to that and take responsibility for
that and want to get better. Other guys are gonna
go Why is he yelling at us?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
No, I get it, it's not at all.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
It can be dicey because you could have two reactions
as you just said, but this is uh. I think
people need to just pump the brakes. And I'm not
saying or ruling out that you're just gonna have a
fantastic season. I'm not saying that right, but I'm saying
it ain't done on paper. We we just talked before
the show started. I love the Padres and Mets going
(05:10):
into the season. Neither one of them are making the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Yes you did?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I did.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
I not, Yes you did, And I told you that
the Dodgers were still going to win that division and.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
One not in a row where I don't know where
that came from. They got who's that rookie? Who's the rookie?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Pitch? Yesterday?
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Bobby Miller.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Bobby Miller would he retired eighteen straight.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
At one point.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Dude is deadly, man. He's got great stuff. He's got
good stuff. Don't get me started on baseball. No, that's
a whole nother tangent.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
But just give me, what are you? What are your thing?
Speaker 6 (05:40):
You talked about Aaron Rodgers and also and you address
that correctly. It's no longer the same division that he
used to playing. Now he could he could sort of
get by with some flaws on his team. You can't
do that.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
And now he's in now because Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I'm not that high on Buffalo, but until then they
fall off totally out. They're a team that am I right,
like they should win the division, like if you look
at them and what they've done, because you got to remember,
the Jets are trying to put this all together in
one year, whereas Buffalo has been a well oiled machine
for the last few years.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Right, offensively, Miami is loaded.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
At Miami offensively, all you got to do is keep
too a healthy and not in concussion protocol. Right, if
he can not get banged around and play. We saw that, dude,
We saw him have an unbelievable comeback. You remember last
year against Baltimore, like that was for the ages.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Yeah, so except the road for him. And you said
the Jets could surprise you, But that's a that's a
big hill of the climb in that division, big hill
of the climb. It's not like you're playing against the
Bears twice twice, as you know, and Lions don't love
a Lions. It's not that same situation anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Or when Tom Brady was in the when the AFC,
we know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
When when when Tom Brady was in the AFC East
and he had back then, right, the Jets a couple wins.
Buffalo was bad. Every year he had at Miami, he
had six wins before the season even started. Yeah, right, yeah,
So those are the things that you start to look
at and go, it ain't the same.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It ain't your Tom Brady AFC.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Right, And I think I had a nice pickup picked
up Dalvin Cook. I like him, right, That's a good
insurance policy to have back there in that backfield.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
But it ain't. It ain't just a paper championship.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
And that's my point and one of the glaring weaknesses
and the things that if you're a Jets fan.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
You should be very very afraid.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Is the offensive line not just the four sacks in
six plays in this joint practice. How about you know
Aaron Rodgers broken his collar bone a few times, am
I right?
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
God forbid, nobody's wishing it on him, But God forbid
somebody comes in clean from the line, pops them and
your thirty nine year old quarterback. He could change a
whole season if you don't protect that guy.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Trust me, I'm sure at thirty nine he doesn't run
as well as he did when he was twenty five.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And you remember it used to be really good at
running and escape in trouble. Right, So there's a lot
of stuff there. I'm just gonna say, if I have
to bet my money, I don't believe the Jets are
going to the Super Bowl. I just I don't care
all the hype, all the stories coming out of ESPN
and all these people writing these glowing things and whatnot.
(08:27):
I just I think it's going to be hard. If
Aaron Rodgers comes to this team and pulls it off. Dude,
it changes everything about his rite, his legacy, not that
he doesn't have one. He has a great legacy. He
won a Super Bowl, four MVPs, all pro. I'm not
saying his legacy isnt set, But wouldn't that heighten it
(08:48):
To go to franchise and won the Super Bowl since
nineteen sixty nine, and to.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Win it in that division and in that league and
in that city, Oh, that'd be amazing. He'd be on
you know, they'd reck the statue out front for him,
there's no doubt in my mind. Right, No, that'd be
an amazing achievement. You're talking about Super Bowl. I don't
even think they're not gonna win that division. There's no
way I see the Jets even winning that division. So
(09:12):
you got Buffalo still until further notice in Miami, Yeah,
you got those two. I don't see how you can
vault over both of those teams to win it. Now,
when you're bringing in a new entity that has to
get to know a new offense, has to get to
know all the guys around him, and you're talking about
not having any injuries. Other teams that we have seen
that the Bills have been good for several seasons now,
(09:34):
and the Dolphins have really taken a step forward. So
now you're talking about vaulting two teams that have been
consistently good over the past couple of season. That's just
gonna be a difficult task to do.
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you get your podcast. The Yankees are losing the night
to nothing in Atlanta's just a free fall, my god,
And I gotta say this, and I know it's cliche.
George Steinbrenner is rolling over in his grave. Nobody we
get it. George Steinbrener is long gone house. Dwan Brenner,
(10:40):
his son, is running the team. But the Yankees, with
the penny pinching and not wanting to spend money, they
got to get back to to what they used to be,
which was the big boys on the block. Matter of fact,
even Pedro Martinez, this is what he said about the Yankees,
and you know what, I think he's spot on.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
I remember watching the Yankees, certainly the season and when
they were going well, they look like so confident. It
was like watching a bulldog beat up on the Chihuahua
when they were playing those teams, and now they look
like the Chihuahuas to any other team, especially a good
team like the Atlanta Braves. I mean, it looks like
no match. And today they didn't play the cleanest game.
(11:21):
They didn't pitch the way they should have. Even though
sev Reno looked like he was sharp, he just used
his pitch is the wrong way. So I don't know
what it is. If it's a you know, confidence matter
that they have inside the clubhouse, is that a character
matter that they have. But man, they shouldn't look this vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
They need thanks Pajoe, they need better players. When judges
out of that line up, that team is pathetic, am
I right?
Speaker 6 (11:53):
I think somebody the other day said, if you compare
the Atlanta Braves and the New York Yankees, how many
Yankees and that roster would break the Braves lineup like Aaron,
Aaron judge. That's it. That was it.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
They got Michael Harris to second. Allen who is the
rookie of the Year in the National League last year,
he's batting ninth.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Yeah, that lineup is scary for the Brave ninth, but
the Yankees, it is an embarrassment to watch him play
right now, and to have both New York teams totally
out of the picture. I can't even imagine what it's like. Oh,
you know, people in New York are sick.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
You know, New York's a baseball town, and people are
sick that here we are in August and if September
baseball is gonna roll around and it's not going to meet,
they're gonna be playing out the string. And I'm gonna say,
Aaron Boone will get fired. I get it, you know
what I mean. He's the manager. He's gonna get fired.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
But it's not his fault.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
But what about Brian Cashman, who's been the general manager?
You ready, twenty five years. Twenty five years as a
general manager in pro sports is almost It's not like
they won twenty championships in those twenty five years. They
haven't won since two thousand nine, Living Alley. The last
time the Yankees won a championship was.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Win Moby Dick was a guppy.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Moby Dick was a guppy Alan.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
That's how long it's been.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Oh God, hitting young men lines around here, that line.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I know it was original I wrote it forty years ago. No,
but you get my point, like like like the Yankees
need to get back to flexing their muscles. Like when
the Dodgers went out and they traded for Mookie Betts
and then signed them to the three hundred million dollar
contract A star, young star. They went out and said,
(13:37):
we're gonna red Sox. You want to play around with
a talent of future Hall of famer, will take them.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
And they did their homework. You know you got a
guy that stays healthy, a character guy, character guy. You know,
somebody that winner, somebody can handle the pressures of playing
in the big market. That's another thing that Cashing has
done it to me in the past several years. They've
signed guys and when they get the New York City,
it's too big for them.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
The stage they stay right, they fall off the stage right. No,
I'm with you and Cashman, I get it. You did
a nice job. You need a new voice. You need
stop with all the analytics and all these guys. Go
get me a couple of masters. But give Judge two
or three other guys that you're going to be like, wow,
they are unwatchable when he's not in the lineup right.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
I remember watching Yankee games when I was younger. No
matter who was in that lineup, you always felt that
the Yankees were going to be competitive, that they never
gave up. I watched the Yankees now and I'm like, Okay,
they're down five to nothing, that's it.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And you and you're looking at the lineup, going, who's this?
Who coming up on that?
Speaker 6 (14:39):
What it's like this team isn't coming Back's the only
reason I'm watching this game now is to see if
judge it's home run.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And even then, I mean last year and obviously when
he got hurt and missed that time because they got
off to a good start and then they signed Rendon.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
They always signed a guy's injuries. Yeah several. Reno can't stay.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Healthy, you know, like he was then opening day start
a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
And the sad thing this season, you're totally wasting Garrett Coles.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Coles pitching, Gray gonna be the MURCA League Saw Young
Award winner, most innings pitch, second in the e R.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
He's done his part, but there's nothing else.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Blew a game in which he started the other day,
which they had the big lead, and then they just
lost it.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Lost.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I mean, big Tom, that was another just.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Blown So yeah, I mean, like like Pedro said, nobody
fears the Yankees anymore. You just walk into town and go, Okay,
we're gonna win this series.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It's frustrating to watch, just as a baseball fan. Forget
about rooting. I'm not rooting for him, but just to watch,
they're not compelling. Here's another night, all right. They got
blown out. They got blown out by the Braves yesterday
to nothing in the night. It's the fifth inning. They
can't they can't manufact they can't do anything right.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
And like I said, I don't know what Cash is watching.
Other teams have seen, especially this season, and I think
this season called Sun teams by surprise, as the house
speed is gonna now play into into this game well,
with the pizza boxes, with the basis and how many
times you can throw over the first it's a different
game now. And in the offseason they didn't allow for that.
(16:08):
The Yankees didn't assume that hindsight being what it is,
even not knowing the year that he was going to have.
If I was the Yankees, I would have at least
gone after Cody Bellinger in the offseason.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Boy nobody could expected that.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
But I hear what we just saying that short porch
and right field.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And they need left handed hitters the two big hitters
or what right handed?
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I mean, rob g you got something.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
Yeah, just to illustrate your point about how bad the
Yankees have been this season, you mentioned they'd lost four
in a row. They are twelve and twenty two since
July fourth, and if they lose tonight to the Braves,
they're currently down two to nothing top of the fifth,
it'll be their first time being five hundred or below
five hundred this late in the season since nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Think about that, how long ago Allen nineteen ninety five.
They're always in the mix. Look at where they are.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Yeah, by this time, Cash probably got a nice house
in the Hampton's. I'm sorry, after twenty five years a
size player, a nice little pad downtown in Manhattan. You
know he's the Yankees have been good to him. It's
maybe time to accept an advisory role on the staff
and move in a different I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
There's only two jobs you get to keep forever, okay,
and that's Pope until you die and Supreme Court Justice.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I have everything else has an expiration.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Date on it, and I think Brian Cashman's exploration Day
has definitely a come.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
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Speaker 3 (17:42):
Alan, Let's let's talk about this, so Rob g we
want you to jump in because there's all this. You know,
we know there's a problem in the NFL with black
assistant coaches getting a head coaching job.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Eric B Enemy's had like fifteen thousand interviews and despite
other players, other coaches, I say, having less experience, less
success as coordinators, They've gotten jobs and opportunities, but Eric
B enemy hasn't. And then you have some you know,
crazy people with sugar on the radio here who will
(18:18):
sit there and swear up and down that there isn't
a race issue in the NFL. Because there is. They
had to put in the Rooney Rule Allen to force
owners to interview black applicants. Just think about to sit
for a guy to sit on the radio and tell
you that there's no issue with racing NFL. It's just
mind boggled. Why would you have a Rooney rule. Is
(18:40):
there Rooney ruin and Major League Baseball no? Is it
one in the NBA No.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
And teams still getting around that whole rule, right, you
know when they go, well, this is the guy we
really wanted to hire. We identified him as being the
guy we want.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
If you remember in Detroit when Matt Millen was the
general manager, everybody did the cat got out of the
bag that they were going to hire Steve Mariucci. Yes,
and then the league was like, uh, you can't do that, right,
it was already out and black assistant coaches refused to
come to Detroit for an interview.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Because it was a sham.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
They could have come and got the free hotel room
and the steak dinner and all that, but they knew
there was no job. Everybody and their uncle knew that
Mooch was getting that job. So it was fraudulent. And
now what's happening, Rob G's gonna explain is you have
head coaches again who feel compelled to give black assistance
(19:36):
a token gesture.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
And I just want to get your take on this once,
Rob G.
Speaker 9 (19:40):
Gibson's well, you kind of explained it there, Rob, but
it's not even just an NFL issue because, as you mentioned,
a couple of weeks ago, Titian's head coach Mike Rabel
promoted longtime assistant coach to Rel Williams, who was black,
to acting head coach.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Several days before.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
Their first preseason game, he installed the game plan determine
which the Stars would play, and Rabel said it was
a good UH practice for him assuming he ever wants
to get an NFL hel coaching job. Well, Lane Kiffin,
head coach at Ole Miss took it a step further
the following week. He promoted their wide receiver coach or
excuse me, their their their, yeah, their wide receiver coach
(20:17):
Derek Nis to temporary head coach for their scrimmage for
twenty four hours.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
They had a Big Old.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
Miss, you know, basically a spring game in the summer,
and he was head coach for there. And he added
on specifically afterwards when I asked about it, he said
that it's really unfortunate that between the SEC and the
Big twelve, we have no minority head coaches, and this
was his way of kind of doing his part to
change that.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Alan, where are you on this on these gestures by
college coach NFL uh to you know, hey, hey buddy,
why don't you run the game plan for the day
or let me let me turn over the reins to
you or whatever. I mean, you know, an especial game
that don't count like these are just like some meaningless
preseason And I'm not trying to totally disrespect the notion,
(21:08):
but where are you want?
Speaker 6 (21:09):
You know that surmids, you have a little bit now
you have to take your kids to work day. It's
kind of like, let's take my black coaches the workday
and let them be a head coach for a day.
Did you have a great time? Did you have experience?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Did you understand how we did that?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
You see, like you make up seventy percent of the
players out there, but you can't totally understand football, right right,
you could play it, but you can't, right, I can't understand.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
It's old rule that even for the longest time, when
they wouldn't let black quarterbacks have an opportunity in pro
football to play it, to become you know, head, you know,
the leader team. But yeah, the opportunities are not there.
And it's a joke when you know, and I understand
that even to some extent when you're really just starting out,
and you know, you really don't honestly have a chance
(21:54):
to get a job yet like that, if you want
to just go through the interview process to see what
it's like, yeah, I don't know, there's a certain point
that later on in your career, like dude, what else
do I have to do?
Speaker 8 (22:06):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
And this is my issue practice interviews. If I was okay,
I'm a columnist and and and they say, hey, you know,
come to the Washington Post so.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
You could practice interview. There's no job for you we
want to get.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I'm not going right, Okay, I'm just not right because
it's it's insulting to me because I should.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Have enough You should have enough friends and be able
to take what that experience is like anyway, and I
can walk you through it.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
You could walk me through and let me know, like
I've you know, I mentor a lot of young people.
I'll tell them what to be prepared for, what kind
of questions they need to ask, challenge the interviewer. Don't
just sit there and just like yeah, yeah, you know
what I mean. Things like that. But I don't want
to be don't waste my time. I don't need a
free meal or for you to check a box and say, oh, yeah, well,
(22:53):
at least we had a black guy in I'm not
hiring them, but we talked to somebody.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
You know, like I said, it's more like, oh, we
Rob's in New York, so I can go get a
free steak dinner and a free plane trip and the
hotel and hang out with Rob. You know. I look
at it as a nice paid for a trip, but
it is insulting. It's getting to the point that and
and and then it comes out that some of the players,
I guess we're complaining about Eric the Enemy about saying
(23:18):
that he's really tough on him. Well, you don't hear
those same complaints about other coaches in the league who
have been tough on players for years. But because Eric
the Enemy is tough on players, it all of a
sudden became an issue.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
No, and and that's another issue one. And then they
use that against them, you know what I mean. Like
and then if it was if he wasn't that guy,
then it would be, oh, Eric Beennemy's running the country club.
Oh you know, he's so soft, you know, like like
you can't win, you can't win. I just I don't
know about it. I feel I'm against the Rooney rule. Okay,
(23:52):
Chris and I argue about it a lot. I'm against it.
I'm sorry. I just don't insult me, right, I don't.
I don't want to token in it. You is there
a job, Here's my resume. If I'm not good enough
alan for the with my resume, don't don't. Don't bring
me in. There are plenty of guys who were talented enough.
We saw, like, uh, what was the name? Joe Judge
(24:15):
was like a special teams coach, didn't have it even
never coordinating.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
He gets the Giants head coaching job.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
How right? I think the problem is when you start
talking about playing pro football, it becomes a situation where
you don't have much power sometimes as a player. But
I would think on a collegiate level, if I was
an athlete in the collegiate level, and I was highly recruited,
and I wanted to go to school there, and and
and that was an issue to me, I would say,
(24:41):
I'm not coming to your school. I'm not going to
play for your team unless I see better representation amongst
your coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
See, there you go. You and I are on the
same page.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Now, once you start losing the athletes, it's gonna change.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
That that that is it alan because once the players
say no, I'm not going to go to an organization
that doesn't give. And this is the big thing. Until
you start to do that and make them feel it
where players aren't going and there's not opportunity for people
after the fact, that's when there's an issue that and
(25:18):
that's when you start to lose people.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
If some teams in the in the in the sec
all of a sudden aren't getting that athlete anymore, those
kinds of athletes anymore, and you start losing on the
national scale all of a sudden, it'll change. It was
most certainly change.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
And it's a tough spot to be in. As far
as black head coaches, I'm not saying that because the
league is seventy five percent black, that seventy five percent of.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
The coaches should be black. But it shouldn't be the
minuscule numbers we have.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Right right, you know, Like like lang Kiffin said that
the fact that there is not one head coach in
that whole.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Wasn't wasn't Where was sly Kroum. You remember he was
at Mississippi or something. You remember he was a head coach,
like I think the only one, Yeah, was it Mississippi
in sec.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
I believe it might have been. Yeah, But yeah it's
an Embarsissippi state. That's what I was gonna say. Embarrassing representation.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
And if you're the NFL, uh, this still shouldn't be
an issue in twenty twenty three. It just shouldn't. Eric
be en of me if nothing else. Okay, deserves an
opportunity that I've seen some other guys who just haven't
even done anything. I just just because you like him,
because they talk a big game, or do you want results,
say whatever you want. He won two Super Bowls. Well
(26:33):
he didn't call a player by Andy Reid call the plays.
But then the other three guys who were there before
them all got head coaching jobs and Andy Wee was
calling the plays on those as as offensive coordinator too,
So why why didn't that didn't apply to those guys?
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Right? I didn't think they called Well, the Lions got
a fair shake. I mean he was.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
He did a good job for Giants.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
It's like, okay, this is a real short stint of
letting this guy try to put you in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
It was definitely a mistake
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