January 3, 2024 • 35 mins
Chris and Rob explain why Patrick Beverley is wrong when he says that Joel Embiid is having the greatest individual season in NBA history, debate whether Tua Tagovailoa has shown enough this season to warrant a massive contract extension from the Miami Dolphins and discuss why Steph Curry, Kevin Durant and LeBron James don't seem to impact winning anymore.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Patrick Beverly.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Making some interesting comments today and talking about joelmbi who.
Joelmbiid is having a fantastic season.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
There is no doubt about that.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
But Patrick Beverly took it a tad bit far when
he said this.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Serious Joel embiid average for for an month.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
If he finishes this season the way he's playing now,
it would be the greatest season of a single player
that's ever played basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Damn.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
That doesn't make you the best big man in the league.
That makes you the best in the world.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Joe.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
He is in a world of his own, and I
don't even think it's close. I think it's a toggle
between like him and the man. What straight up some
five man, some sinners that I've been played against last
year I'm playing against now that like, no one says
anything to Joe, not one word. No one can stop him.
He is the most dominant player in basketball right now,
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and it's not even close.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
All right now.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It must be noted, of course, that Patrick Beverly is
a teammate, Chris, what.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Or in the Philadelphia seventy six ers. He's sixers rob
R third.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
In the Eastern Conference with a twenty three and ten record,
And like I said, Joe lmb is playing absolutely fantastic basketball.
He's having a better year than he had last year
when he won his first MVP award.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
He's leading the league in scoring at thirty basically thirty
five points a game, thirty four point eight. He's averaging
eleven point eight rebounds a game, okay, which is fifth
in the league. And he's also giving you six point
two assists. And he's doing it all on fifty four
percent shooting and thirty five percent from three, which is
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a bad two either. He leads the league in three
throw attempts, which is great. You get into the line
and he shoots eighty nine percent. So MBD is having
a fantastic season.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
But Patrick Beverly, and I'm sure you would agree with me.
Rob is out of it.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, first of all, is it just me or was
he comparing to Michael Jordan? I mean, look, do we
need to go back to the Wilt Chamberlain numbers?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Will Chambera that like that didn't happen? Twenty six rebound
the season that didn't happen. I guess they didn't see
it on videotapes. Will never happen.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Remember, he averaged ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
It's just absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
And I get people will say, well, you know, back
then they have all the best players in the world,
and it was just true because they kind of have
the unwritten rule about.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
How many blacks could be on the team and all that.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But still today, Rob, here's the main contention. And and
today's numbers are skewed, all right, they they are skewed today, Guys,
Rob g tell me the are we talking about that?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Later? We talked about the Yeah, that's what we're gonna
leave it now.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, I get it, Chris, and we both know that
how much easier it is to score and all that
other stuff.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
It just did.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Those are those are facts, not feelings. Nobody's trying to
be little what he's doing. But it's just like we
talk about Chris with the NFL and all the quarterbacks
who are shattering all the passing records from all the
great quarterbacks who played in the NFL. When Terry Bradshaw
would throw Chris thirteen times a game, forty five times
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in three games, and these guys are throwing fifty one pass.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Attempts in one game. You cannot compare it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I hear guys talk about Michael Irvin, all his numbers
are all that, well, they didn't throw that as much.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Then they had a running Chris right, a running back exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So you you have to you can't just compare the
numbers across different eras because if we just if we
did it that way, Rob, then we would just say,
you know what, Will Chamberlain.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Was the best, right, and we would And the conversation
a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And here's the thing about Joe l MB and look,
he did compare him. We assume he was comparing him
to Michael Jordan. Let me tell you one thing about
Michael Jordan. Let me tell you one thing. Michael Jordan
didn't do. Melt in the playoffs and and I don't
mean melt, like emotionally melt because I don't think that
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happens to mb but maybe it does. I don't I
haven't seen that in his body language or anything. I
feel like I've seen that here and there from James Harden.
You know, it seems like the big the Big Game
six's Game sevens or be even Big Game five. Sometimes
it when Harden only takes eleven shots or or has
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twelve turnovers, or it shoots twenty three percent or something
like that. So I feel like that's melting down MBAD.
I don't know if he melts down, but rob he averages.
His numbers drop wildly in the playoffs last year thirty
three points a game in the regular season on fifty
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five percent shooting. In the playoffs, twenty four points a
game on forty three percent shooting.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
So that's that's a huge Basically, that sounds like somebody
turning to good.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
That used to be my favorite word as a compet.
He just turns to Google Chris when it matters most.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
And I would say that that that's what you would
say about embiid because you shouldn't drop off that.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Especially.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Uh, there's nobody your size for the most enough usually
go up?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Who are you going up?
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Again?
Speaker 5 (06:41):
This ain't this ain't the Patrick ewing Alonzo mourning to
Kenbe Matambo.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
You know, Iaron Robinson's right.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
When there was a ton of games when you had
you had to check all those guys played against each other,
and you had to come with it every night.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
It wasn't like this. There's nobody is way. Who's in
your way?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Because because and again we'll get into this later, but hey,
it's a three hour show. We can repeat ourselves, you
know now, do it very much? So I'm right and
I'm not. Look, the game is different in some ways.
It's better in some ways. The players are better. In
some ways, it's worse. In some ways the players are worse.
But one thing that's happening is the point totals individually
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and as teams are going way higher.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And it's all due to analytics, even as it is.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
In football, rob as well. But Roger, let's let's let's
reveal that number.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Twenty twelve? How many players? Give me the you make
me let me know if the years right?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So twelve, yeah, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
There were nine players in the NBA who average at
least twenty points per game this season.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Are for think about that?
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Round said again.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
In twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, there were nine players averaging
twenty or more points per game. This season. There are
forty seven.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
Wow, that's all you need to know.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
But Chris, we've heard the European players all say how
easy it is to score in the end, right, all
the best players and they they're winning the the MVPs
every year.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
And those guys are like, oh, it's it's it's kate
to score here? Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Rob the the I mean, we're we're just you know,
dropping off sorts that we're all over the place now
as far as basketball. But right now, first team all NBA,
Shay Gill, just Alexander is there?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
American on now? No? No, Chris, Suthancic.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Wow, uh Joe and in the front those are the
guards all right, we know he's from Slovenia, Joe, LMB,
Yannis and Jokic.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
That's the first team all in. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Am I missing anybody's ROGI? Do you do you disagree
with that?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I wanted to, but I can't.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Hey get the Hall and Globe Trotter's on the phone.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I mean, where the brother Well, they got some brothers,
they just not from America, know what I.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
But that was like when Steve Nash won up the
MVP from Canada.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Chris he not even Steve Nash.
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Speaker 1 (10:09):
I brought it up with Greg Jennings tour Miami Dolphins
quarterback having a very good season. He was in the
MVP race. I don't think you ever was the leader,
in part because Will.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Maybe after the seventy points that week. You know, that's
a good point where I was the week Chris that
he had didn't he throw?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Did he have six touchdowns?
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Six touchdowns? I think?
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Big? That was Yeah, that week he did it was huge.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
He had four touchdowns, only four, Yeah, three hundred and
nine yards and they won seventy to twenty. But yeah,
at that point, that was just week three, So he
may have been the leader in the clubhouse at MVP
at that point, but for the most part, he hasn't
been the leader.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
He's been around there.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But he does lead the league in yards two hundred
seventy eight per game, twenty eight touchdowns, which is in.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
The top five or top yeah, top six, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
And he's only got excuse me, h twelve interceptions and
it's completed basically seventy percent of his pass is sixty
nine point six, which is first in the league rob
among eligible players, and he's second or third second to
Brock Purty. No, let's see because some of these guys
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haven't played a lot. So he's third behind Rock Party
and Dak Prescott for passer rating. So he's had a
nice year and Rob's he's in his fourth year.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
The club has already picked up the option.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
For his fifth year at twenty three million dollars, so
he's he's in for that. But obviously in the offseason
they have the option of just giving him the lucrative extension,
which would probably be somewhere in the neighborhood of five years,
two hundred and.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Seventy five dollars or something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
And my question to you, Rob is if you were
running the Dolphins, are you ready to write that check
to tour?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I am, and he did it. He checked a few
boxes for me this year.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
A staying healthy that was a big concern, and I
think he answered that question this year.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
He's been able to play the entire year.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Chris, And that one for sure after last year with
the concussions and all that. The team obviously got double
digit wins, They're going to the playoffs, have a shot
right to win the division, which is when you think
about Buffalo and where people have Buffalo and the Jets
coming into the year, that would be a nice feather
(13:03):
in his cap. H the offense that they have rolland
and the other thing is it is two things. A
he's performed and played very well, be he stayed healthy
and see what is your option long term and the
price doesn't.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Go down, it only goes up. So you know you got.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
To if you really believe you have an alternative and
you've got somebody else you're gonna go with. I say,
if he's your guy and you know that after this year,
don't wait because it only costs you more money. The
Cowboys him than hard and they messed around and paid
Dak Press got way more than I think they even
thought that they would have to because they waited. So
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I don't know what you would look at this year
and say, no, let's put it off another year, or
know he didn't do this, No I need to do that,
or I don't see anything that would be a red
flag that I wouldn't do. I just think he's mature.
Seventy what is it, Chris, you said seventy percent?
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Is that where he is?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:11):
I mean he's played really well this year.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
And sure the team do they need to have more
wins against better teams?
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Sure that needs to come.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
They're one and four against good team.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Team, that big one, that big team, that big win
against Dallas at that one, that was a big one
because they needed that. Dallas horrible on the road, and
Dallas needed to win too.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
They're coming off two losses.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That was that was a moment for them.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
And still people thought Dallas, if I remember correct, Chris,
even with that, people at Dallas as a favorite in
that game, and they still Miami was able to win.
But anyway, I'm signing up to I've seen enough.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I haven't seen enough.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I like he, like I said, he had a good year, obviously,
that's without question, but I am not ready if I'm
running the Dolphins to give him fifty five million dollars
a year for the next five years. I still am
not convinced that without arguably the best receiving core in
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the league, he'll be that guy. And so I'm not
ready to pay him now and make to me, Rob,
the best point you make is the price only goes up.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
And we both said that many times on this show,
and that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
But if I'm running the Dolphins, I'm willing to take
that risk that. Okay, if next year he balls out
and we resign him, it's gonna be more expensive, all right.
So I understand that going in, but I have not
seen enough yet from Tua. First of all, And here's
what I would do. If I'm the Dolphins drop, I
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don't say that to him. I say, you were great
this year. We couldn't ask for more. But Tua, it's
your fourth year in the league. This was the first
year you stay healthy. Obviously telling it to his agent,
but we want to see if we're gonna lock you
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up for the next five years. I gotta feel better
about you staying healthy. You did a great job this year,
you learned how a fall and all that, but I
still want to see it more time and time again.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And so that's why I would say, look, we got
you signed up.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You're our quarterback next year, twenty three million dollars a year,
and hopefully, you know, you stay healthy and we keep
rolling and improving, and then we'll take care of you
after that, you know, assuming he plays well, has this
type of season, or preferably better.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Because here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Rob Tua one in four, as I said, against winning teams,
that's bad, and they got bludgeoned when they played good teams.
We all saw Baltimore beat them by thirty seven, but
that you know, the Buffalo beat them by twenty eight.
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Philadelphia beat him by a couple touchdowns. They played Kansas
City tough, but Kansas City has trouble scoring and they
still lost that game Miami. And here's the thing, Ralph,
all this high powered offensive talk that we hear.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Oh, they lead the league and scored.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Oh they put seventy on Denver rob in those five games.
When they play winning teams, they average eighteen points a game.
Two is not lighting up good teams. He's lighting up
the Patsis I told you Denver four touchdowns, Carolina three touchdowns,
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New England three touchdowns, the Chargers three touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Nobody else did he throw more than two touchdowns against.
So I need to see more before I lock him
up if I'm running the Dolphins, But I would put
it on the injury.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Because you know, you you gotta work with this guy.
You like him, you do think he's good.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I do think he might be our quarterback of the future,
but because of the injuries in the past, it's delayed
my ability to really know.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
But but even if you're on your thinking of that
he could be healthy next year, sign a contract and
then get hurt. I mean, you just but whin a
help with the health point. I'm just saying, there's always
a chance you could get hurt in that thing. This
year was important, coming off of the two the concussions
and all that.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Last year he was really woozy.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
People wonder if he could play at all, or if
he's gonna this is gonna be who he was. And
and I hear you, of course you want to play
better against some of the better competitions. But if they
win and beat Buffalo on a twelve and five and
win the division, man, and and you're telling the guy
that you still you need to see more. If they
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win that game, Chris and win the division. Absolutely, Yeah,
that's one year being healthy. I mean that that's a
big thing.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
The fourth year and it's the first time you've been healthy.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
But I'm just saying, if he's if he's okay, so
you say, your lady, thinking happened, but I mean healthy,
what how do you work?
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So he's healthy for the second year, and then the
third after he signs of contract, get drap that.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
That's like, that's like saying, don't get married because I might,
you know, slip and fall and kill myself. No, you know,
the first week that we're married. I mean that doesn't
make sense. Of course, anybody can get hurt. Saying that
you want to see a pattern of a guy being healthy.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Is it something out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
No, But I'm saying we all understand is football, you
can get hurt anytime.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
But he's been hurt three of his four years, right.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
But I could get it if you were saying, coming
off of last year with the concussions, I need to.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
See you healthy the same year. I need to see
you healthy, but more than a full year.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
If I'm gonna give you two hundred and seventy five
million dollar.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Okay, and then he's healthy, and then if he gets hurt,
then what that's I don't I don't understand.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
What the what the hell?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
You don't understand your argument.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So let's cancel the Iye couple because next week one
of us could get hurt. And that's not what I'm saying,
but talking about what you're saying. You gotta see one
more year, okay, So he's healthy next year and then
you sign him.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Then why it's okay? Okay?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
If you here's my I'm asking you. We've been doing
the show for six years.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
If if I missed for the first six years, I
kept missing shows and I only did about nine months
worth of the the twelve months of the year, and
you and they come to me and say, look, before
we sign you up again, we got to see you,
you know, do a full year of shows. And then
I do a full year of shows and they say,
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we need to see it more consistently. Is the argument, Well,
you might get hurt and not be able to do
it again.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I mean, I don't get your art, I don't get
your know what I'm trying to say, you can anybody
can get hurt. Lamar could have got hurt. Lamar had been.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Hurt, right, Okay, so I'm asking you.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I'm using that as an excuse I haven't seen enough
on the football.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Okay, Okay, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Part of it is the injury, because that's why I
haven't seen enough, because.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
You've been hurt too much.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
I just I just think that in that situation, I
understand if you didn't want to sign him coming off
of injury or something. But once a guy's been healthy
all year and bounce back the way he did this year,
and all is gonna get your your one more look
see might cost you another ten million dollars a year.
All what I'm saying, Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I'd rather be certain, I'd rather have peace of mind.
I sign him. Now, I'm I'm questioning it.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And again, I'd like to see your perform better against
the better teams too. I mean there, they're there's a
lot of ifs there, and so I would be I
would be I would want to see more for.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Sure, if you don't have an alternative on where you're
gonna go.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I I got him. I'm going to him next year.
Gotta you gotta quarterback.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
I get that. But I'm just saying, you gotta be careful, uh,
not to not satisfied guy who's performed and put out
for you. If you win the division one year, nobody
thought you were gonna win the division.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
This hip, this a vision. Ain't that tough? No, But
I'm saying it was a mess. New York is even worse.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Talking about going into the year. Saron Rodgers got hurt.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It was done with the Jets. Yeah, but Buffalo it
ain't that good. Buffalo's up and down.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
They still won twelve games. I think you would take
twelve and five coming.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
This one year. Twelve games. I gotta see more. They
want it. They can't beat the good teams. They can't
even stay in the game with most of the good teams.
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Speaker 3 (23:09):
Rob. It's an interesting year.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
A lot of people, Rob early on and we're you know,
we know, we had Christmas Day and that's another topic
for another day.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Rob. You think the NBA likes the NFL right now?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Christmas Day was the huge NBA game day, and it
was an unofficial start of the season, right and the
NFL just.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Sweeps in and takes it.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
At least that's been the case so far, so unfortunately
for the NBA.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
But a big part of the story Rob.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
So far in the season, a lot of people have
talked about, man, look at the old heads, look at Lebron,
look at Kate d look at Steph. They getting busy,
And here it is Kevin Durant, Rob, what is he
thirty four, thirty five years old?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
So thirty five is averaging thirty one games at one point?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
What is this down?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
He's at thirty twenty nine point nine seven.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Six board, six assists, fifty three percent shooting fifty two
and a half. Individual numbers absolutely outstanding, Steph Rob and
Steph is thirty five himself. So these are two thirty
five year olds, all right, And Steph is giving you
twenty seven and a half points a game shooting forty
(24:34):
six percent, forty one percent from trey from three, all right,
and he's given you four and a half assistant rebounds
a game. Great numbers for anybody, but particularly thirty five
year old. And then you've got Lebron who just turned
thirty nine, and he's rob giving you twenty five and
a half points on fifty three and a half percent,
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shooting seven and a half boards, seven and a half sists.
And a lot of people are talking about, you know,
how great these older players are playing, and they are.
They are playing well. Their teams their teams aren't. Yeah,
is that what you wanted to bring up? The teams
or the score? Well, the teams, you know, the teams
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aren't doing it. Phoenix right now, the eighth seed. Now
they've won four straight, playing better, and they've been without
Bradley Beal for most of the season, but they're the
A seed in the West. The Lakers, the tenth seed
in the West. They've won three of their last ten,
all right, so they they won the end season tournament.
It really seems rob like they took and they obviously
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their leader is Lebron and they follow him. But it
seems rob like Lebron took this tournament more seriously than
anybody else in the league, and right his team follows
because Denver wasn't in it. I mean, Phoenix, the Clippers, Okase,
the the Timberwolves, you know, the Bucks. They played the
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Pacers in the finals in the championship, So I don't
know how seriously the other top teams took it, but anyway,
the Lakers won it. And Golden State's right behind the
Lakers rob as the eleventh seeds. So the young the
older guys are putting up numbers, but their teams aren't
really winning at this point. They're just hanging on to
even make the postseason. Now, we got a long way
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to go, but that's kind of where we are.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
With I think it's a combination. We talked about it earlier.
It's easier than ever to score in the NBA. Like,
that's not from us, that's from the players. Some of
the best players in the game. Especially in the year
and international players Chris, they just say it's easy. So
that's part of why at an advanced age, these guys
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are still lighting up.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
The scoreboard because it's easy to score.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
But their impact on the game and the impact we
talked about it before when Lebron last year had the numbers,
almost led the league in a sin it's all they.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Was that two years ago, Chris, two years ago, right.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, two years ago he led the league in assists.
Last year he was up there and scoring well.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
But but he doesn't have the same impact on winning,
and none of these guys do. Kevin Durant, people thought
when he got there, Oh my god, him Booker, who
else do Why they don't need anybody else?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Really?
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Oh yes they do. And uh and it.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Just seems like even Steph.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Steph's playing well obviously, Draymond's out right, and Clay Chris,
he's falling out. He was about falling off the cliff.
He's averaging a career low what sixteen points?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, yeah, which you know a guy at that stage
can remember he's had all those injuries too.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Oh yeah, two major missed two back to back seasons.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I mean, I get it, but I'm just saying the
impact on these guys isn't as great as as their
own numbers.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, and it's interesting because you're right the numbers. You
will look at the numbers and think they're no member
suggest they're as good as ever, and they obviously aren't.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And let me say this quickly, Robbed.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
This will be another topic for another day too, but
you can give me a quick view. Last week, I
don't know, two weeks ago, there was the talk of,
you know, when the Suns were really struggling Kevin Durant,
and remember everybody thought he wasn't happy, his body language
was bad. He came out the next game and had
a great game. Rob One thing I don't want to
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hear is a Kevin Durant trade request.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
No, please, I mean sorry, KD. I'm sorry, I don't
I don't want to hear. I don't even want to
hear people complain and poor k D y just like Brooklyn,
they get right, where is Kate?
Speaker 6 (28:48):
K D?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Where are you gonna be happy at?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Bruh?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
All right? You in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
The whole city is built around you and Russell Westbrook
and the team is great.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You leave fine. I didn't kill him. I won a
few in the national media. Rob that didn't kill him.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Goes of Golden State, Win's Championships, Win's Finals, MVPs.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Not happy there, Raymond calls him a name, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Not happy right, And I get I got at the time.
I don't remember where you were at on this ride.
But when he went to Brooklyn, I was like, look,
if he wants to go somewhere, some people are still
belittling his championships.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
If he wants to go elsewhere and prove he can
win it, I know it's you. I know issue with that.
He was a frea.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I thought that that was admirable Chris actually to go
to a franchise that has never won anything and and
to go and try to do that on your own.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Then he wanted out of there. Then he want right,
he wants out. He went with his with two good friends.
Harden eventually came over. Kyrie is a great friend of his.
They go there together, doesn't work out. Then he wants
out of there. And now I'm sorry, I don't want
to hear it, because where do you want to go? Like,
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if you're not happy in Phoenix, I don't know where
you're gonna be happy at, So just play it out.
Play it out, all right. But we can talk that
about that in depth another day. But Rob, let me,
I'll give you why I think I'm not mad at
these dudes for not impacting the game the way they
used to.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
They shouldn't at their age.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
You know, Michael Jordan when he was in Washington, Rob,
he wasn't impact in the game the same way.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
He wasn't putting up this numbers either.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Put up good numbers, all star numbers, but not Michael
Jordan numbers. But here's the interesting thing, Rob, when Jordan
was in Washington, there was no outcry.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
We gotta get Mike help. We gotta get Mike helps.
We can win another ring.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
It was like, dude, you that's the bad side.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
You decided to come back and go to Washington and
this is what you got.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
And that's why, like I don't want to hear with
leb oh, we gotta get any more help what the
Lakers got to do? So, I mean, if they want
to make a trade, fine, but it's not Lebron's birthright
to compete for a championship.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I don't know where people get that from with franchise
after franchise have up up, turned over the roster Chris.
A couple of years ago here the Lakers traded then
they trade four or five guy. Remember with the with
the cat last year they traded four or five guys.
The Lakers traded so much young talent that they had
built up when they had that.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
TRANSI yeah, but it's just give up a lot of guys.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Is what I got you to lead us to a championship?
Speaker 8 (31:42):
I brought you in to change us, and now we
got eight d I mean in that players around him
aren't horrible by any stretch of the imagination, and so
get it done.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I mean, if you can. If you can't, I'm not mad.
You're thirty nine years old. But if you can't, go
ahead and get it done. It's Steph looked the question, Rob.
I think for the first the next year or two
in the kind of around the league, I think with
Steph is gonna be does he want to stay there
or does he want to go somewhere and compete for
a championship. I think that's gonna be and I think
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he probably wants to stay, and there's nothing wrong with that,
but I think that's what people will start asking if
he continues to play at this high level.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
But let me say this quickly.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
We've mentioned it's easier to score in the day's NBA.
It's really not that complicated. Why Number one, you can't
hand check? Okay, number two, the players are shooting way
more three pointers than they ever did. So a guy
like Steph sixty of his shots are worth three points
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rather than two. Right, So you're going to your average
is going to go up. The floor is spread out,
and so now I've got more room to work. So
if I'm a and a lot of these guys are
true mendus ball handlers, and the defender really doesn't have
a chance to keep him in front of him, especially
if he can't handcheck. So now I beat you to
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the bucket. And because the floor is so spread rob,
when I get to the rim, I got maybe one
defender maybe two pretty much max to get by and finish.
And points at the rim are high. They're higher than
they used to be. Three point attempts are higher than
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they used to be, and points at the rim are
higher than they used to be. That tells you it's
analytics driven, because the analytics say those are the two
best shots, paint shots and three point attempts. And then
for the mid range guys, Rob, we've been in the
games where guys had open mid range shots and don't
take them, and they dribble out and back to the
three point line and things like that. But if you
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are a mid range shooter, the defense wants you to
take that fifteen sixteen seventeen footer, nineteen footer that's viewed
as the worst shot in basketball team feet is short,
but like nineteen feet they want you to take that.
They'll contest, but that's the best shot. You know, if
you're gonna take a shot, that's what they want you
to take. And a Kawhi, a Durant, a Devin Booker,
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guys like that who are tremendous mid range shooters.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Joe l mbad, they gonna they gonna feast in the
mid range.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
And so those are all the reasons why the scoring
is up. And so when you look at the individual numbers, Rob,
it's I mean, I'm looking at Tyreeze Halliburton averaging twenty
five points and thirteen assist the game, and he's great,
but I mean those are historic numbers.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
He's better than Magic Johnson. No, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Right right, right, right right, because it's all relative.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And Chris, probably we have the video for this era
of NBA basketball and you remember it. It was a
team that was on a three three three, three to
one break.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 5 (34:57):
And oh, they were down by tiver Denver. You were down
by two and they had the ball. It was three
on one, Chris. The two guys ran to the wing
at right looking for the ball and the other guys
pulled up for three.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
There was nobody there, and they missed it and they
lost the game.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Instead of going to the basket to tie it, that it
was three on one, I think that signifies, you know,
this era of NBA basket. Rob And I don't look
some of the callers.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
You guys can weigh in on this part, because I
don't see as much youth basketball, you know, as I
might like. But I've been told, like junior high in
youth game, like high school even, people have told me
that dudes are just shooting threes left and right. So
let me know if that's the case. Those of you
who make coach or or see a lot of youth basketball.
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But that the young boys are just shooting a lot
of threes.
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Patrick Beverly.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Making some interesting comments today and talking about joelmbi who.
Joelmbiid is having a fantastic season.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
There is no doubt about that.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
But Patrick Beverly took it a tad bit far when
he said this.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Serious Joel embiid average for for an month.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
If he finishes this season the way he's playing now,
it would be the greatest season of a single player
that's ever played basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Damn.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
That doesn't make you the best big man in the league.
That makes you the best in the world.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Joe.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
He is in a world of his own, and I
don't even think it's close. I think it's a toggle
between like him and the man. What straight up some
five man, some sinners that I've been played against last
year I'm playing against now that like, no one says
anything to Joe, not one word. No one can stop him.
He is the most dominant player in basketball right now,
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and it's not even close.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
All right now.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It must be noted, of course, that Patrick Beverly is
a teammate, Chris, what.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Or in the Philadelphia seventy six ers. He's sixers rob
R third.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
In the Eastern Conference with a twenty three and ten record,
And like I said, Joe lmb is playing absolutely fantastic basketball.
He's having a better year than he had last year
when he won his first MVP award.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
He's leading the league in scoring at thirty basically thirty
five points a game, thirty four point eight. He's averaging
eleven point eight rebounds a game, okay, which is fifth
in the league. And he's also giving you six point
two assists. And he's doing it all on fifty four
percent shooting and thirty five percent from three, which is
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a bad two either. He leads the league in three
throw attempts, which is great. You get into the line
and he shoots eighty nine percent. So MBD is having
a fantastic season.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
But Patrick Beverly, and I'm sure you would agree with me.
Rob is out of it.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, first of all, is it just me or was
he comparing to Michael Jordan? I mean, look, do we
need to go back to the Wilt Chamberlain numbers?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Will Chambera that like that didn't happen? Twenty six rebound
the season that didn't happen. I guess they didn't see
it on videotapes. Will never happen.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Remember, he averaged ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
It's just absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
And I get people will say, well, you know, back
then they have all the best players in the world,
and it was just true because they kind of have
the unwritten rule about.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
How many blacks could be on the team and all that.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But still today, Rob, here's the main contention. And and
today's numbers are skewed, all right, they they are skewed today, Guys,
Rob g tell me the are we talking about that?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Later? We talked about the Yeah, that's what we're gonna
leave it now.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, I get it, Chris, and we both know that
how much easier it is to score and all that
other stuff.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
It just did.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Those are those are facts, not feelings. Nobody's trying to
be little what he's doing. But it's just like we
talk about Chris with the NFL and all the quarterbacks
who are shattering all the passing records from all the
great quarterbacks who played in the NFL. When Terry Bradshaw
would throw Chris thirteen times a game, forty five times
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in three games, and these guys are throwing fifty one pass.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Attempts in one game. You cannot compare it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I hear guys talk about Michael Irvin, all his numbers
are all that, well, they didn't throw that as much.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Then they had a running Chris right, a running back exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So you you have to you can't just compare the
numbers across different eras because if we just if we
did it that way, Rob, then we would just say,
you know what, Will Chamberlain.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Was the best, right, and we would And the conversation
a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And here's the thing about Joe l MB and look,
he did compare him. We assume he was comparing him
to Michael Jordan. Let me tell you one thing about
Michael Jordan. Let me tell you one thing. Michael Jordan
didn't do. Melt in the playoffs and and I don't
mean melt, like emotionally melt because I don't think that
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happens to mb but maybe it does. I don't I
haven't seen that in his body language or anything. I
feel like I've seen that here and there from James Harden.
You know, it seems like the big the Big Game
six's Game sevens or be even Big Game five. Sometimes
it when Harden only takes eleven shots or or has
(05:44):
twelve turnovers, or it shoots twenty three percent or something
like that. So I feel like that's melting down MBAD.
I don't know if he melts down, but rob he averages.
His numbers drop wildly in the playoffs last year thirty
three points a game in the regular season on fifty
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five percent shooting. In the playoffs, twenty four points a
game on forty three percent shooting.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
So that's that's a huge Basically, that sounds like somebody
turning to good.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
That used to be my favorite word as a compet.
He just turns to Google Chris when it matters most.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
And I would say that that that's what you would
say about embiid because you shouldn't drop off that.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Especially.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Uh, there's nobody your size for the most enough usually
go up?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Who are you going up?
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Again?
Speaker 5 (06:41):
This ain't this ain't the Patrick ewing Alonzo mourning to
Kenbe Matambo.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
You know, Iaron Robinson's right.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
When there was a ton of games when you had
you had to check all those guys played against each other,
and you had to come with it every night.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
It wasn't like this. There's nobody is way. Who's in
your way?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Because because and again we'll get into this later, but hey,
it's a three hour show. We can repeat ourselves, you
know now, do it very much? So I'm right and
I'm not. Look, the game is different in some ways.
It's better in some ways. The players are better. In
some ways, it's worse. In some ways the players are worse.
But one thing that's happening is the point totals individually
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and as teams are going way higher.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And it's all due to analytics, even as it is.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
In football, rob as well. But Roger, let's let's let's
reveal that number.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Twenty twelve? How many players? Give me the you make
me let me know if the years right?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So twelve, yeah, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
There were nine players in the NBA who average at
least twenty points per game this season.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Are for think about that?
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Round said again.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
In twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, there were nine players averaging
twenty or more points per game. This season. There are
forty seven.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
Wow, that's all you need to know.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
But Chris, we've heard the European players all say how
easy it is to score in the end, right, all
the best players and they they're winning the the MVPs
every year.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
And those guys are like, oh, it's it's it's kate
to score here? Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Rob the the I mean, we're we're just you know,
dropping off sorts that we're all over the place now
as far as basketball. But right now, first team all NBA,
Shay Gill, just Alexander is there?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
American on now? No? No, Chris, Suthancic.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Wow, uh Joe and in the front those are the
guards all right, we know he's from Slovenia, Joe, LMB,
Yannis and Jokic.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
That's the first team all in. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Am I missing anybody's ROGI? Do you do you disagree
with that?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I wanted to, but I can't.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Hey get the Hall and Globe Trotter's on the phone.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I mean, where the brother Well, they got some brothers,
they just not from America, know what I.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
But that was like when Steve Nash won up the
MVP from Canada.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Chris he not even Steve Nash.
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Speaker 1 (10:09):
I brought it up with Greg Jennings tour Miami Dolphins
quarterback having a very good season. He was in the
MVP race. I don't think you ever was the leader,
in part because Will.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Maybe after the seventy points that week. You know, that's
a good point where I was the week Chris that
he had didn't he throw?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Did he have six touchdowns?
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Six touchdowns? I think?
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Big? That was Yeah, that week he did it was huge.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
He had four touchdowns, only four, Yeah, three hundred and
nine yards and they won seventy to twenty. But yeah,
at that point, that was just week three, So he
may have been the leader in the clubhouse at MVP
at that point, but for the most part, he hasn't
been the leader.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
He's been around there.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But he does lead the league in yards two hundred
seventy eight per game, twenty eight touchdowns, which is in.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
The top five or top yeah, top six, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
And he's only got excuse me, h twelve interceptions and
it's completed basically seventy percent of his pass is sixty
nine point six, which is first in the league rob
among eligible players, and he's second or third second to
Brock Purty. No, let's see because some of these guys
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haven't played a lot. So he's third behind Rock Party
and Dak Prescott for passer rating. So he's had a
nice year and Rob's he's in his fourth year.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
The club has already picked up the option.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
For his fifth year at twenty three million dollars, so
he's he's in for that. But obviously in the offseason
they have the option of just giving him the lucrative extension,
which would probably be somewhere in the neighborhood of five years,
two hundred and.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Seventy five dollars or something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
And my question to you, Rob is if you were
running the Dolphins, are you ready to write that check
to tour?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I am, and he did it. He checked a few
boxes for me this year.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
A staying healthy that was a big concern, and I
think he answered that question this year.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
He's been able to play the entire year.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Chris, And that one for sure after last year with
the concussions and all that. The team obviously got double
digit wins, They're going to the playoffs, have a shot
right to win the division, which is when you think
about Buffalo and where people have Buffalo and the Jets
coming into the year, that would be a nice feather
(13:03):
in his cap. H the offense that they have rolland
and the other thing is it is two things. A
he's performed and played very well, be he stayed healthy
and see what is your option long term and the
price doesn't.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Go down, it only goes up. So you know you got.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
To if you really believe you have an alternative and
you've got somebody else you're gonna go with. I say,
if he's your guy and you know that after this year,
don't wait because it only costs you more money. The
Cowboys him than hard and they messed around and paid
Dak Press got way more than I think they even
thought that they would have to because they waited. So
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I don't know what you would look at this year
and say, no, let's put it off another year, or
know he didn't do this, No I need to do that,
or I don't see anything that would be a red
flag that I wouldn't do. I just think he's mature.
Seventy what is it, Chris, you said seventy percent?
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Is that where he is?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:11):
I mean he's played really well this year.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
And sure the team do they need to have more
wins against better teams?
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Sure that needs to come.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
They're one and four against good team.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Team, that big one, that big team, that big win
against Dallas at that one, that was a big one
because they needed that. Dallas horrible on the road, and
Dallas needed to win too.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
They're coming off two losses.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That was that was a moment for them.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
And still people thought Dallas, if I remember correct, Chris,
even with that, people at Dallas as a favorite in
that game, and they still Miami was able to win.
But anyway, I'm signing up to I've seen enough.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I haven't seen enough.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I like he, like I said, he had a good year, obviously,
that's without question, but I am not ready if I'm
running the Dolphins to give him fifty five million dollars
a year for the next five years. I still am
not convinced that without arguably the best receiving core in
(15:15):
the league, he'll be that guy. And so I'm not
ready to pay him now and make to me, Rob,
the best point you make is the price only goes up.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
And we both said that many times on this show,
and that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
But if I'm running the Dolphins, I'm willing to take
that risk that. Okay, if next year he balls out
and we resign him, it's gonna be more expensive, all right.
So I understand that going in, but I have not
seen enough yet from Tua. First of all, And here's
what I would do. If I'm the Dolphins drop, I
(15:52):
don't say that to him. I say, you were great
this year. We couldn't ask for more. But Tua, it's
your fourth year in the league. This was the first
year you stay healthy. Obviously telling it to his agent,
but we want to see if we're gonna lock you
(16:13):
up for the next five years. I gotta feel better
about you staying healthy. You did a great job this year,
you learned how a fall and all that, but I
still want to see it more time and time again.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And so that's why I would say, look, we got
you signed up.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You're our quarterback next year, twenty three million dollars a year,
and hopefully, you know, you stay healthy and we keep
rolling and improving, and then we'll take care of you
after that, you know, assuming he plays well, has this
type of season, or preferably better.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Because here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Rob Tua one in four, as I said, against winning teams,
that's bad, and they got bludgeoned when they played good teams.
We all saw Baltimore beat them by thirty seven, but
that you know, the Buffalo beat them by twenty eight.
(17:12):
Philadelphia beat him by a couple touchdowns. They played Kansas
City tough, but Kansas City has trouble scoring and they
still lost that game Miami. And here's the thing, Ralph,
all this high powered offensive talk that we hear.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Oh, they lead the league and scored.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Oh they put seventy on Denver rob in those five games.
When they play winning teams, they average eighteen points a game.
Two is not lighting up good teams. He's lighting up
the Patsis I told you Denver four touchdowns, Carolina three touchdowns,
(17:52):
New England three touchdowns, the Chargers three touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Nobody else did he throw more than two touchdowns against.
So I need to see more before I lock him
up if I'm running the Dolphins, But I would put
it on the injury.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Because you know, you you gotta work with this guy.
You like him, you do think he's good.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I do think he might be our quarterback of the future,
but because of the injuries in the past, it's delayed
my ability to really know.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
But but even if you're on your thinking of that
he could be healthy next year, sign a contract and
then get hurt. I mean, you just but whin a
help with the health point. I'm just saying, there's always
a chance you could get hurt in that thing. This
year was important, coming off of the two the concussions
and all that.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Last year he was really woozy.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
People wonder if he could play at all, or if
he's gonna this is gonna be who he was. And
and I hear you, of course you want to play
better against some of the better competitions. But if they
win and beat Buffalo on a twelve and five and
win the division, man, and and you're telling the guy
that you still you need to see more. If they
(19:09):
win that game, Chris and win the division. Absolutely, Yeah,
that's one year being healthy. I mean that that's a
big thing.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
The fourth year and it's the first time you've been healthy.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
But I'm just saying, if he's if he's okay, so
you say, your lady, thinking happened, but I mean healthy,
what how do you work?
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So he's healthy for the second year, and then the
third after he signs of contract, get drap that.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
That's like, that's like saying, don't get married because I might,
you know, slip and fall and kill myself. No, you know,
the first week that we're married. I mean that doesn't
make sense. Of course, anybody can get hurt. Saying that
you want to see a pattern of a guy being healthy.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Is it something out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
No, But I'm saying we all understand is football, you
can get hurt anytime.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
But he's been hurt three of his four years, right.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
But I could get it if you were saying, coming
off of last year with the concussions, I need to.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
See you healthy the same year. I need to see
you healthy, but more than a full year.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
If I'm gonna give you two hundred and seventy five
million dollar.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Okay, and then he's healthy, and then if he gets hurt,
then what that's I don't I don't understand.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
What the what the hell?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
You don't understand your argument.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So let's cancel the Iye couple because next week one
of us could get hurt. And that's not what I'm saying,
but talking about what you're saying. You gotta see one
more year, okay, So he's healthy next year and then
you sign him.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Then why it's okay? Okay?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
If you here's my I'm asking you. We've been doing
the show for six years.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
If if I missed for the first six years, I
kept missing shows and I only did about nine months
worth of the the twelve months of the year, and
you and they come to me and say, look, before
we sign you up again, we got to see you,
you know, do a full year of shows. And then
I do a full year of shows and they say,
(20:59):
we need to see it more consistently. Is the argument, Well,
you might get hurt and not be able to do
it again.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I mean, I don't get your art, I don't get
your know what I'm trying to say, you can anybody
can get hurt. Lamar could have got hurt. Lamar had been.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Hurt, right, Okay, so I'm asking you.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I'm using that as an excuse I haven't seen enough
on the football.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Okay, Okay, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Part of it is the injury, because that's why I
haven't seen enough, because.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
You've been hurt too much.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
I just I just think that in that situation, I
understand if you didn't want to sign him coming off
of injury or something. But once a guy's been healthy
all year and bounce back the way he did this year,
and all is gonna get your your one more look
see might cost you another ten million dollars a year.
All what I'm saying, Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I'd rather be certain, I'd rather have peace of mind.
I sign him. Now, I'm I'm questioning it.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And again, I'd like to see your perform better against
the better teams too. I mean there, they're there's a
lot of ifs there, and so I would be I
would be I would want to see more for.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Sure, if you don't have an alternative on where you're
gonna go.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I I got him. I'm going to him next year.
Gotta you gotta quarterback.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
I get that. But I'm just saying, you gotta be careful, uh,
not to not satisfied guy who's performed and put out
for you. If you win the division one year, nobody
thought you were gonna win the division.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
This hip, this a vision. Ain't that tough? No, But
I'm saying it was a mess. New York is even worse.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Talking about going into the year. Saron Rodgers got hurt.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It was done with the Jets. Yeah, but Buffalo it
ain't that good. Buffalo's up and down.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
They still won twelve games. I think you would take
twelve and five coming.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
This one year. Twelve games. I gotta see more. They
want it. They can't beat the good teams. They can't
even stay in the game with most of the good teams.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
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Speaker 3 (23:09):
Rob. It's an interesting year.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
A lot of people, Rob early on and we're you know,
we know, we had Christmas Day and that's another topic
for another day.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Rob. You think the NBA likes the NFL right now?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Christmas Day was the huge NBA game day, and it
was an unofficial start of the season, right and the
NFL just.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Sweeps in and takes it.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
At least that's been the case so far, so unfortunately
for the NBA.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
But a big part of the story Rob.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
So far in the season, a lot of people have
talked about, man, look at the old heads, look at Lebron,
look at Kate d look at Steph. They getting busy,
And here it is Kevin Durant, Rob, what is he
thirty four, thirty five years old?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
So thirty five is averaging thirty one games at one point?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
What is this down?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
He's at thirty twenty nine point nine seven.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Six board, six assists, fifty three percent shooting fifty two
and a half. Individual numbers absolutely outstanding, Steph Rob and
Steph is thirty five himself. So these are two thirty
five year olds, all right, And Steph is giving you
twenty seven and a half points a game shooting forty
(24:34):
six percent, forty one percent from trey from three, all right,
and he's given you four and a half assistant rebounds
a game. Great numbers for anybody, but particularly thirty five
year old. And then you've got Lebron who just turned
thirty nine, and he's rob giving you twenty five and
a half points on fifty three and a half percent,
(24:56):
shooting seven and a half boards, seven and a half sists.
And a lot of people are talking about, you know,
how great these older players are playing, and they are.
They are playing well. Their teams their teams aren't. Yeah,
is that what you wanted to bring up? The teams
or the score? Well, the teams, you know, the teams
(25:18):
aren't doing it. Phoenix right now, the eighth seed. Now
they've won four straight, playing better, and they've been without
Bradley Beal for most of the season, but they're the
A seed in the West. The Lakers, the tenth seed
in the West. They've won three of their last ten,
all right, so they they won the end season tournament.
It really seems rob like they took and they obviously
(25:42):
their leader is Lebron and they follow him. But it
seems rob like Lebron took this tournament more seriously than
anybody else in the league, and right his team follows
because Denver wasn't in it. I mean, Phoenix, the Clippers, Okase,
the the Timberwolves, you know, the Bucks. They played the
(26:05):
Pacers in the finals in the championship, So I don't
know how seriously the other top teams took it, but anyway,
the Lakers won it. And Golden State's right behind the
Lakers rob as the eleventh seeds. So the young the
older guys are putting up numbers, but their teams aren't
really winning at this point. They're just hanging on to
even make the postseason. Now, we got a long way
(26:25):
to go, but that's kind of where we are.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
With I think it's a combination. We talked about it earlier.
It's easier than ever to score in the NBA. Like,
that's not from us, that's from the players. Some of
the best players in the game. Especially in the year
and international players Chris, they just say it's easy. So
that's part of why at an advanced age, these guys
(26:48):
are still lighting up.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
The scoreboard because it's easy to score.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
But their impact on the game and the impact we
talked about it before when Lebron last year had the numbers,
almost led the league in a sin it's all they.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Was that two years ago, Chris, two years ago, right.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, two years ago he led the league in assists.
Last year he was up there and scoring well.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
But but he doesn't have the same impact on winning,
and none of these guys do. Kevin Durant, people thought
when he got there, Oh my god, him Booker, who
else do Why they don't need anybody else?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Really?
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Oh yes they do. And uh and it.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Just seems like even Steph.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Steph's playing well obviously, Draymond's out right, and Clay Chris,
he's falling out. He was about falling off the cliff.
He's averaging a career low what sixteen points?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, yeah, which you know a guy at that stage
can remember he's had all those injuries too.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Oh yeah, two major missed two back to back seasons.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I mean, I get it, but I'm just saying the
impact on these guys isn't as great as as their
own numbers.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, and it's interesting because you're right the numbers. You
will look at the numbers and think they're no member
suggest they're as good as ever, and they obviously aren't.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And let me say this quickly, Robbed.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
This will be another topic for another day too, but
you can give me a quick view. Last week, I
don't know, two weeks ago, there was the talk of,
you know, when the Suns were really struggling Kevin Durant,
and remember everybody thought he wasn't happy, his body language
was bad. He came out the next game and had
a great game. Rob One thing I don't want to
(28:28):
hear is a Kevin Durant trade request.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
No, please, I mean sorry, KD. I'm sorry, I don't
I don't want to hear. I don't even want to
hear people complain and poor k D y just like Brooklyn,
they get right, where is Kate?
Speaker 6 (28:48):
K D?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Where are you gonna be happy at?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Bruh?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
All right? You in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
The whole city is built around you and Russell Westbrook
and the team is great.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You leave fine. I didn't kill him. I won a
few in the national media. Rob that didn't kill him.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Goes of Golden State, Win's Championships, Win's Finals, MVPs.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Not happy there, Raymond calls him a name, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Not happy right, And I get I got at the time.
I don't remember where you were at on this ride.
But when he went to Brooklyn, I was like, look,
if he wants to go somewhere, some people are still
belittling his championships.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
If he wants to go elsewhere and prove he can
win it, I know it's you. I know issue with that.
He was a frea.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I thought that that was admirable Chris actually to go
to a franchise that has never won anything and and
to go and try to do that on your own.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Then he wanted out of there. Then he want right,
he wants out. He went with his with two good friends.
Harden eventually came over. Kyrie is a great friend of his.
They go there together, doesn't work out. Then he wants
out of there. And now I'm sorry, I don't want
to hear it, because where do you want to go? Like,
(30:05):
if you're not happy in Phoenix, I don't know where
you're gonna be happy at, So just play it out.
Play it out, all right. But we can talk that
about that in depth another day. But Rob, let me,
I'll give you why I think I'm not mad at
these dudes for not impacting the game the way they
used to.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
They shouldn't at their age.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
You know, Michael Jordan when he was in Washington, Rob,
he wasn't impact in the game the same way.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
He wasn't putting up this numbers either.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Put up good numbers, all star numbers, but not Michael
Jordan numbers. But here's the interesting thing, Rob, when Jordan
was in Washington, there was no outcry.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
We gotta get Mike help. We gotta get Mike helps.
We can win another ring.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
It was like, dude, you that's the bad side.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
You decided to come back and go to Washington and
this is what you got.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
And that's why, like I don't want to hear with
leb oh, we gotta get any more help what the
Lakers got to do? So, I mean, if they want
to make a trade, fine, but it's not Lebron's birthright
to compete for a championship.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I don't know where people get that from with franchise
after franchise have up up, turned over the roster Chris.
A couple of years ago here the Lakers traded then
they trade four or five guy. Remember with the with
the cat last year they traded four or five guys.
The Lakers traded so much young talent that they had
built up when they had that.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
TRANSI yeah, but it's just give up a lot of guys.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Is what I got you to lead us to a championship?
Speaker 8 (31:42):
I brought you in to change us, and now we
got eight d I mean in that players around him
aren't horrible by any stretch of the imagination, and so
get it done.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I mean, if you can. If you can't, I'm not mad.
You're thirty nine years old. But if you can't, go
ahead and get it done. It's Steph looked the question, Rob.
I think for the first the next year or two
in the kind of around the league, I think with
Steph is gonna be does he want to stay there
or does he want to go somewhere and compete for
a championship. I think that's gonna be and I think
(32:15):
he probably wants to stay, and there's nothing wrong with that,
but I think that's what people will start asking if
he continues to play at this high level.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
But let me say this quickly.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
We've mentioned it's easier to score in the day's NBA.
It's really not that complicated. Why Number one, you can't
hand check? Okay, number two, the players are shooting way
more three pointers than they ever did. So a guy
like Steph sixty of his shots are worth three points
(32:46):
rather than two. Right, So you're going to your average
is going to go up. The floor is spread out,
and so now I've got more room to work. So
if I'm a and a lot of these guys are
true mendus ball handlers, and the defender really doesn't have
a chance to keep him in front of him, especially
if he can't handcheck. So now I beat you to
(33:08):
the bucket. And because the floor is so spread rob,
when I get to the rim, I got maybe one
defender maybe two pretty much max to get by and finish.
And points at the rim are high. They're higher than
they used to be. Three point attempts are higher than
(33:28):
they used to be, and points at the rim are
higher than they used to be. That tells you it's
analytics driven, because the analytics say those are the two
best shots, paint shots and three point attempts. And then
for the mid range guys, Rob, we've been in the
games where guys had open mid range shots and don't
take them, and they dribble out and back to the
three point line and things like that. But if you
(33:49):
are a mid range shooter, the defense wants you to
take that fifteen sixteen seventeen footer, nineteen footer that's viewed
as the worst shot in basketball team feet is short,
but like nineteen feet they want you to take that.
They'll contest, but that's the best shot. You know, if
you're gonna take a shot, that's what they want you
to take. And a Kawhi, a Durant, a Devin Booker,
(34:12):
guys like that who are tremendous mid range shooters.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Joe l mbad, they gonna they gonna feast in the
mid range.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
And so those are all the reasons why the scoring
is up. And so when you look at the individual numbers, Rob,
it's I mean, I'm looking at Tyreeze Halliburton averaging twenty
five points and thirteen assist the game, and he's great,
but I mean those are historic numbers.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
He's better than Magic Johnson. No, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Right right, right, right right, because it's all relative.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And Chris, probably we have the video for this era
of NBA basketball and you remember it. It was a
team that was on a three three three, three to
one break.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 5 (34:57):
And oh, they were down by tiver Denver. You were down
by two and they had the ball. It was three
on one, Chris. The two guys ran to the wing
at right looking for the ball and the other guys
pulled up for three.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
There was nobody there, and they missed it and they
lost the game.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Instead of going to the basket to tie it, that it
was three on one, I think that signifies, you know,
this era of NBA basket. Rob And I don't look
some of the callers.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
You guys can weigh in on this part, because I
don't see as much youth basketball, you know, as I
might like. But I've been told, like junior high in
youth game, like high school even, people have told me
that dudes are just shooting threes left and right. So
let me know if that's the case. Those of you
who make coach or or see a lot of youth basketball.
(35:48):
But that the young boys are just shooting a lot
of threes.
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