June 11, 2024 • 31 mins
Chris and Rob debate whether Aaron Rodgers skipping mandatory minicamp with the New York Jets makes him look like a hypocrite and discuss whether Caitlin Clark is the most polarizing athlete in American pro sports today. Plus, former NFL team physician and FOX Sports Radio injury expert Dr. David Chao swings by to discuss the details surrounding Kristaps Porzingis’ injury, whether or not we can expect him to play at all the rest of these NBA Finals and why he believes Kristaps is going to need surgery in the offseason.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
All right, Rob, you alluded to it in the big
news of the day, Aaron Rodgers, this is the start
of minikim that he's a mandatory. This is not a
voluntary and all that which the voluntary stuff. Rob, it
seems like what they do is a make it voluntary
tail to plus so the players you don't have to come.
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And then when players aren't there they can somebody leaks
and complains to the media and it becomes a big
old he's not at the voluntary you know, the voluntary workers. No,
they're voluntary. He shouldn't be there if he doesn't want
to be so, but these today for the Jets mandatory
and Aaron Rodgers, it was not there. Here's coach Robert
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Salah talking about it.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Aaron and I spoke before OTIA started. He's been very
good in communication. He's been here the entire time. It's
an excuse, but he had an event that was very
important to him, which he communicated.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Rob.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
I have tried to.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Believe in Aaron Rodgers with the Jets, and I do
think he is committed to trying to have a great
run with the Jets. But I'm sorry, and I guess
I'm gonna be one of the people you are trashing
because for Aaron Rodgers not to show up today for
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an inn it unexcused absence at the first mandatory workout
of the season is selfish, a hypocritical because it's inexcused.
If it were a family matter, it'd be excused. If
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it were a health issue, it be excused. And Aaron Rodgers.
Rob was the person that sat got on his soapbox
a few months ago and talked about how the Jets
we gotta get rid of the distractions. It's gotta be
all about football, nothing else. And yet on the first
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day of mandatory workouts, you're not there for an inexcused absence.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
I get Hassan Reddick.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You gotta contract issue, that's that's fine, you're holding out
or whatever. But Air Rogers put whatever it is he's
doing ahead of football, and I think it's a bad look.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I think it sets a bad tone for the season. Now,
I'm not saying it's insurmountable. I'm just saying the first
day when you said we done with the distractions, Fellas,
it's all football and.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
You're not there.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
You're the leader, I think it's that's a bad tone.
It looks insubordinate. So it chips away at probably the
already struggling authority of your head coach, Robert Salah. He
has to go out there and tap dance around the
issue and actually say we didn't.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Hear it on ours, but I saw the press conference. Rob.
He said selfishly, selfishly, I.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Won everybody there.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Robert.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
It's not selfish, it's mandatory, Rob. I'm not being selfish
when I expect you to be here today, when I
expect it Robs you to be here. It's man to Tory,
it's the show. Rogers is the one being selfish. Again,
I'm not saying it's an insurmountable thing.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I think you'll be committed when he's there. But this
is a bad look.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And like I said, it's hypocritical when you told everybody,
I guess that was meant for everybody else. Everybody else
needs to get rid of the distractions. But I've got
something I need to do. And I think Rob the
Jets would have probably, I mean, it should have probably
made it excused because it would have looked better.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
But maybe it was so.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Frivolous, for lack of a better word, that they couldn't
justify making.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
It an excuse.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So I just think after all this talk, it just
looks bad for Aaron Rodgers first day not to show
up for an inexcused absence.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
It just doesn't move me either way. I mean, I'm
glad you're worked up. That sounds good for the radas
no sleep and I'm quiet, I know that, But I'm
saying you got a little passionate about it.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It just doesn't move me.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
I mean, I thought he was crazy when he was
trying to get back out on the field and he
was walking around during the season when he should have
easily said.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Uh, let me let me get out of here, let
me get healthy, He stuck around, he did all that.
I'm just not that big.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
I've seen it happen a lot Tom Brady missed OTAs
later in his career. A lot of people do it
mandatory or vice. Yeah, he's missed mandatory OTAs. I just
it's veteran people. Chrish, Sure you want everybody there, but
I just don't. I just don't look at it. To me,
it's about the regular season. If he plays poorly, then
if you want to go back to that, then fine.
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There were years when he won the last two to
two MVPs. He didn't go to some of the OTAs too.
Then during that time he won MVPs.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
You can go back. If a guy doesn't play well,
you could point to it and.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Say, hey, you know, maybe if he would have went
to OTA's he would have been better.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
I just don't know what the if you could show
me a scoreboard and say, when you don't go to
OTAs for any reason, you're gonna have a bad season.
If he has a bad season, he'll be ripped. If
he has a great season, nobody will ever even think
about it or or remember it. So in the moment, yes,
you're right. At the moment, it looks bad not to
be there, But I think it's his. When you talk
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about Aaron Rodgers. It's about results. If he's terrible this year, Christen,
you can make that argument. If he's great and a
Jets win their first five or six games and they're
off to something special, then we'll go back and we
won't even address it or.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Think about it. It's one of those things. But I think,
go ahead. I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
I just think it's I think it's the here and now,
the immediate response.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Okay, I got it. He should be there. He's not there.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
But I don't think it's as big of a deal
as a maybe some people might want to make it.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I don't think him having a good year individually hinges
on today's practice or.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Tomorrow's practice for that matter.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I totally agree with that.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Like, well, I don't know if that you weren't actually
saying that, But I don't think this is gonna make
or break Aaron Rodgers. That's what I'm saying, right, Like,
if he plays poorly, it's not gonna be because he
missed today's practice, right, it's just gonna be. He's forty
years old, he's no longer has it whatever, And if
he's great, he's gonna be great regardless of today. My point,
Rob I'm more concerned about the team. I'm more concerned
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about the what it says to his teammates, not him,
He'll be fine. I'm talking about the teammates who may
be saying rob didn't Aaron say put the distractions aside?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Didn't Aaron say we're all in to win a Super
Bowl and he's not here.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
It's only two days, right, but you couldn't be here
for these two days. It just looks It's not about
the football for me from his perspective, because he's gonna
be fine. It's about the tone it sets with the
other guys.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
They all doing something.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
They all had stuff, better stuff probably to do, but
they showed up, and I, you know, so I just
think it screams hypocrisy, and that is you know, that's
what the critics of Aaron Rodgers one of the things
they point out, and I'm like, dude, just show up.
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So I think that that that's the bad look. I'm
not saying it's the worst thing in the world, but
I don't like the tone that it sets, that's.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
All I mean.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
I think those same teammates will remember how quickly he
tried to rehab last year, and he wanted to get
on the field, and he's walking and throwing the football
and he's in Wilson's ear on the sidelines. And he
didn't just say I'm hurt this year and disappear and
not show up or be around. He could have just
said I'm gonna rehab on my own, I'm gonna disappear,
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I'm not coming around.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
He was around all year. That was admirable.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
I think his teammates saw that that he was really
trying that if there was some sort of playoff scenario,
which it wasn't gonna happen, Chris, with the way that
the team went, that he was trying to make. I
think that you earned some points in that standpoint. So
I just look at it and that there's two sides.
One side you saw last year when he got hurt
that he was willing to be around and and help
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his teammates and talk to him and all that. And
in this case, I don't know what the scenario is, Chris,
about what is so important?
Speaker 5 (09:49):
I just don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
And maybe there has to be a reason that you
couldn't move today, that there's something, Well, it was inexcuse
because I.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Would think Robie, if it's something I mean, think of
us our job. If it's something legitimate, it'll be excused.
I just and look, I know I have no idea
what it is. It hasn't been reported. You know. A
thought that comes to mind is he's speaking at some event.
You know, he's obviously in the politics or other things.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
So who knows.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
But we will find out and we will see.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
But I don't think besides family health things like that.
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Speaker 1 (11:48):
And our next guest is a former NFL team physician,
Fox Sports Radio injury expert at the Padres game when
his son he's nice enough to join us, Doctor David
Child to child, Welcome, Doc, what's up, it's a score.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Thanks for having me. No, we're headed down with a
carload of kids right now, but they look quiet.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well, tell them, We said hello and we're glad to
have you for a few minutes. So look, I just
read the title of Christafsworzinga's injury. I mean I probably
mispronounced every word. Give us in layman's terms, what the
injury is and what you think the prognosis is for
him going forward.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Well, they actually spell it out. They literally say the
injury is a torn medial retinaculum that allowed dislocation of
the poster and tibiallis tendant. I get it. It's big,
fancy words. The bottom line is a main tendant on
the inside of the ankle has flipped over the inside
of the ankle. If you reach down to your shoe
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right now and feel the inside of your ankle, you'll
feel the big piece of bone and literally the tendons
flipped over the top. This is a big deal. I
don't see how it's day to day. As a matter
of fact, I think it's heroic for Zingis to have
returned to the same game because the Celtics indicated it
happened at three twenty seven of the third quarter.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
So how did he play?
Speaker 10 (13:13):
Then?
Speaker 7 (13:13):
If you're saying like this is the end of it,
this is earth shadowing or whatever.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
How did he play?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
He played because he didn't do a lot. I mean,
if you look at what he did, he didn't do
a whole.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
But I mean you could still get out there, is
what I'm saying. If it's that bad, how could you
even be out there?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Well, I mean I get it's Boston, but the closest
comp is Kurt Shilling Boston Red Sox. The bloody sock.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Yeah, that was ketchup, right, that was ketchup.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
No, No, it actually wasn't ketchup. It wasn't pure blood though.
It wasn't pure blood. It wasn't pure blood at all
because it's just it was you know, from the Nunning medicine.
But that was on the outside of the ankles, from
the inside of the ankle. But pitching is much different
than being dynamic playing the game of basketball.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, I've seen some reports that you could play with this,
but the likelihood of you injuring the ankle more severely
is just incredibly great if you were to go out
and play with this.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Is that is that true?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Well, I don't know the rednackles already torn, but you know,
imagine if that major tendence stats over the bone on
the inside of the ankle. You kind of fall down, right.
I mean, I don't see how he can dynamically play.
Like I said, it was a rogue that he returned
to the game. Do I think he's going to suffer
permanent damage if he tries to play? No? Do I
think he could sit out, you know, being given a
size to three point range and shoot three. Sure, but
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can he be dynamic and a rim protector. I just
don't see it with this type of injury. I've treated
this type of injury, and quite honestly believe or not,
he's going to need surgery to repair the to repair
the torn retinacular.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
So you predicted he will not play another minute, I.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Am predicting that he will not play. He's trying to play.
He's day to day, and they're keeping hope alive because
he returned to the game. But I think they're gonna
if they try and play him, they're gonna find out
very quickly that he can't do a lot. Look. I
still remember I was in a room full of people
at that AFC NFC Championship game with rock Perty. I
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said he tore his own colide ligaman and he's not
returning to play. He returned to play on Thurdy fifteen,
and everyone said, you're an idiot, you're wrong, and he
handed the ball off and never threw the ball again.
So could he physically get into the game? Shore? But
could he be anywhere close to Christoph Persing?
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Porzingis no, How in the world did did doctors sign
off on Kevin Durant? Chris and I when he was
with the Warriors. Chris and I not second guest, first
guest that there's no way he should be out there.
And how does that happen when the doctors what they
say Chris, that he couldn't do any more damage kind
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of thing.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
It was ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Does that happen Dot?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I don't know. I'm not into the details of that,
but I'm with you. I was always worried about it
being a high Achilles Kevin Durant, And then we returned
to play. I said, look, the ball doesn't go through
KD anymore. It's got to go through Steph Curry. And
that's what happened in the first quarter. And then in
the second quarter Steph Curry took his turn on the
bench and the ball went through KD. And you know,
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unfortunately that happened. But thankfully, I think I was kind
of in the minority to say that KD will he
deserves the max contract and he'll be one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, and he got that, and obviously he's played well individually.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Since then.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You mentioned that you think Porzingis is going to need surgery.
How long is the recovery from that? Like, how long
would that keep him out?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I think he could be ready towards the early part
beginning of next season. It's pretty routine to fix the retinaculum.
He might miss a little bit in the beginning, just
because it's the NBA, right and everything is there's a
lot of games. But I don't think it's a big
deal for his career. But I think it's very difficult
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to be a dynamic player right now.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Okay, okay, well, doctor child, Look, we appreciate your time
and giving us the scoop.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
So according to.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You, one final thing, this left leg injury has nothing
to do with the right cast other side, nothing to do.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
There's not even over compensation or anything that's not.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Even I don't think. So it's a it's a freak
rare thing. It has happened. I've treated it before, but
it's not that common.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Okay, okay, well, great information.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Enjoy the game tonight.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Who's winning. It's the A's and the Padres, right, and the.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Padres are winning. Come on, now.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
There you go, we will. And that beautiful ballpark. I
love that place, doctor, Oh my god, I love this stadium.
Come visit, no, doc, I never miss it. So all right, grace,
doctor David Child, Thank you, brother. We appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
All right, thank you.
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Speaker 5 (18:16):
But first, let's go back.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Let's go Rob to the story that I mean, it
just the story that keeps on giving its Caitlin Clark, Rob,
I mean, every it just seems like every day there's
something still being said about this situation. And people knew
or thought that she would lead to increase coverage with
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the WNBA, and that certainly is what they've gotten. Her
TV games are breaking all sorts of records for the WNBA.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
But it's also you know.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Cast a light on just a lot of discussions that
I'm sure the league wishes weren't taking place. Ultimately, I
think it's all good for the league, row because people
are talking, people are tuning in. Ratings are up across
the board, particularly when she plays.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
But she's become incredibly polarizing.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And the latest thing is her being left off of
Team USA that's.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Going to compete in the Olympics this summer.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
And Diana Tarazzi, who's forty two years old, this is
this will be her sixth time on Team USA. Rob
g if I'm correct, and she was talking about it recently, Rob,
here's what she said.
Speaker 10 (19:37):
The Olympic team really is just the collection of the
best players. At the end of the day, you would
say Basketball always has a firm grasp of what they
need as a team. I think people kind of loose
back of no matter what, you have to make sure
that full players fit to form the best team, say
the best players, so you know, whatever the twelve are.
(19:58):
I think you say Basketball always done a great dob
of putting that collection of down together.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Well, that much is true, Rob, that they have they
won seven straight.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Men say, whatever they're doing, they're doing it right.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
So anybody who wants to question what are they doing?
What they're doing is winning gold medals.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
How's that?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
No, from that standpoint, absolutely, And like I said yesterday,
from a basketball standpoint, you can certainly argue and argue
well that she wasn't one of the twelve best players
that deserve to be on the team. I think there
is an argument that she's good enough. Her numbers are
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pretty good.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
She's on record on pace to be the you know,
the rookie of the year.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
She's gonna on pace at least to become the fifth
player ever to average fifteen points, five assists and five
rebounds at least.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
So she's playing well.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Their team isn't winning, of course, but you could argue
that either way, and more so probably that she's not
one of the twelve best.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
But I do think from a.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Pr standpoint, it would have been smart to put her
on the team because I think they would have winn.
They're gonna win no matter what, and I think that
would have boosted the game even more.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
But here's what I want to throw at you, Rob.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
We know that we have some polarizing athletes today, Lebron James,
Steph Curry, Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady was polarizing. Let's face it, Interestingly,
Patrick Mahomes isn't polarizing because and we're not saying this
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is the athletes.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Fault that they're polarizing.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's just some athletes for whatever reason, some people love,
some people hate. But do you think Rob at this
moment in time, that Caitlyn Clark is actually the most
polarizing appet in the world right now, No, or the
American athlete.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
I just I just think that that she's the newest
and the latest. I still think Lebron James still runs
and has the championship. Just recently we talked about it, Chris,
where Lebron is talking and giving Kyrie his flowers and saying,
well all this and people looked at it too to.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Escape his raft because he went off on Kendrick.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not big enough profile. I guess.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
I mean, maybe he feels a kinship, you know what
I mean, Like you played in the league. Are you
talking about me like that or whatever? But I still
think it's Lebron, I really do. Caitlin has her The
w n B A is still c compared to the
other sports.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
C Is you know what I mean, But I'm talking
about you're not even saying his insult.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
But I don't even know if they're that high, but
I'm just saying, like like quality saying they're c so Lebron,
like I said, we just saw it. People went after
Lebron for that and his son playing, and there's always something.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I still think he's polarized.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
And some people are like, oh, this is great, that's
what a dad should do, make it easy for their kid,
and other people like he's teaching this kid that he
shouldn't be get a hand out, he should have to
earn it, you know what I mean. So there's always
both sides. So Caitlin is definitely polarizing, there's no doubt.
But I don't think she's supplanted Lebron, not yet. It's
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just been too soon. Lebron has a history of this,
and even here we are twenty years Chris and four
championships and all the other stuff, the all time leading
scorer and all these other things, and there are still
people who who will go after Lebron or push back
on some of the stuff he says or does.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I think first I want to address Lebron before I
get into this whole question.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Would you say I think he'd be because I brought.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Up Patrick Mahomes, the best player in the NFL not polarizing.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Would you agree with that? Like, I don't think.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
I just don't think everybody I think says anything to
make people be bothered. He milk toast. He's not gonna
bother the toast. But yeah, I think he's milk toast.
He doesn't say anything, so why would you be mad
at him? I just don't see him as that player.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Yeah, he's he.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Says the right thing. It's hard not to like him.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Well, you might not pull for him and all that,
but it's hard just not to like him. I rob think.
I think a question I have about Lebron is was
he polarizing before he left Cleveland to go to Miami.
I think that did it because I think when when
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Lebron was in Cleveland in his first go round, I
think like the only guy that really was was going
at him uh and being critical of him for the
most part was Skip Bayless. But I think when he
went to Miami, it feels like that's when obviously some
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people didn't like that, a lot of people didn't like that,
and his You know, a lot of people stuck with
him and did like it.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
But I think that was when Robin he remember he
did the villain.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
He was gonna be the villain for that first year
and that didn't work. And you know, but I think
that's when he became polarized. I don't think he was
before that. Do you agree or disagree with that?
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Probably?
Speaker 7 (25:30):
I think I'm taking my talents to Miami. South Beach
was was where people put a drew a line in
the sand, like like, who is this guy to try
to stack his team and try to win and all that.
I think that's where some people decided to bail off
of that Lebron ship, you know what I mean, and
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look at him differently.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
No, I agree with that as far as Caitlyn, Look,
you're obviously right in a few things. One, yes, I
mean Lebron has if we counted from twenty ten right
when he went to Miami. I mean, that's fourteen years
of this of being polarizing, of having those that love you,
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having those that don't love you, and all that stuff and.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Being a hot button topic.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Obviously there's the Jordan versus Lebron and just so many things.
Also I would say Aaron Rodgers, you know, with his
stuff on and off the field, Tom Brady with his
winning and some people not liking him and all that.
(26:39):
Number One, these guys have been polarizing, if.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
You will, and again and not saying it's any fault
of theirs.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
But they've been polarizing for nearly two decades. And they're
in the much larger sports, right, Like you said, I mean,
football is king, obviously basketball is right there. I mean,
these are the popular sports, and so yes, they are,
(27:07):
you know, affecting the thoughts and views and feelings of
far more people than a WNBA basketball player Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
But at this very moment.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Rob, I guess if I had to use the term
pound for pound, you know, like I mean, Caitlyn Clark,
like I do, think she is issues that really don't
come up with the other guys, or at least not
consistently are coming up with her. Now, obviously she's a female,
(27:42):
so gender is one that's coming up with her, right
and obviously race, Now, race occasionally has come up with
Lebron He's made taking some stances and things like that,
but it really doesn't I don't think it's ever come up.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
To the degree that it is with Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Some are saying players are jealous in the WNBA, some
are saying they're resentful and all of that stuff. Now,
obviously you got the Olympic team, and you know you
got is she the reason for the growth?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
And she is.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I mean, it's just the numbers that bear it all out.
You can love it, you can hate it. You know,
you can debate and talk about why that is, but
it is happening. And I think at this very moment, again,
it's hard to compare it to those guys, Rob because
football and NBA basketball are just on a different level.
But man, she is certainly in this moment giving them
(28:41):
a run for their money. We even remember even the
situation with Greg Doyle, the columnists in Indiana, you know,
I mean, so.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
It is really incredible.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
The passion and the emotion and the feelings that she
has really you know, created in people, Rob and and
so at this moment, I think it's hard to say
somebody's more polarizing in her right now, I get it,
(29:17):
and I totally agree with the history of Lebron and
others and the you know, just the levels of their sport.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
But my goodness, it's.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Just that Lebron has been so long, Chris, and it
hasn't died. And I get that, Like that's the part,
and I get it.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
She's I mean, Lebron may be polarizer Rob till I
mean the darn near the rest of his life. Who knows.
I mean, we'll see, but it'll be interesting. But yeah,
go ahead.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Yeah, I'm just saying like she's brand new and she's
the newness and the hotness, Chris. So it's top of
mind and it just feels like that. But I just
maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm looking at it wrong, and
maybe other people, right listeners, Chris will think that she
has top Lebron already in this short period of time.
(30:08):
Do you have anybody else like Steph's died out? Because
Steph was polarizing, I think now where they are, like,
like he doesn't bother people as much.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And I think I would say, Rob, that's because yeah, yeah,
And here's why I think Steph was polarizing solely for
basketball reasons, right, Whether some people thought was overrated, right,
some of you think he's overrated. Some people thought he
wasn't better than Kevin Durant whatever it might be. Oh,
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he doesn't have a finals MVP, like you say, he's
not clutch.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
It was nothing to do with off the court at all,
Like you know, he's you know, lived a very solid
bother has Lebron been solid, But Lebron's been more outspoken
than things like that. Yeah, So I think with Lebron
it was the move to Miami that triggered it.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Mostly.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I think it's Lebron moving around to different teams. It's
you know, people blame him for a lot of his
coaches being fired. Lebron, you know, recruiting guys and the
cryptic tweets and things like that. So that's why I
think even though Lebron's team isn't really that great anymore,
he's still polarizing where Steph, You're right, they're not really
(31:23):
contenders anymore basketball wise. He's putting up good numbers, but
you know, they're not really much of a factor.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
So I know that's a that's a good point. Yeah,
it is. It is based off of that, Like you're
not seeing Steph.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Stepp wasn't in the playoffs right, right, right, so he
can't bother me.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
You know what, I'm saying, and if Lebron wasn't in
the playoffs, it would have been a huge deal just
because you know, tweets and things like that.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
All right, Rob, you alluded to it in the big
news of the day, Aaron Rodgers, this is the start
of minikim that he's a mandatory. This is not a
voluntary and all that which the voluntary stuff. Rob, it
seems like what they do is a make it voluntary
tail to plus so the players you don't have to come.
(00:53):
And then when players aren't there they can somebody leaks
and complains to the media and it becomes a big
old he's not at the voluntary you know, the voluntary workers. No,
they're voluntary. He shouldn't be there if he doesn't want
to be so, but these today for the Jets mandatory
and Aaron Rodgers, it was not there. Here's coach Robert
(01:16):
Salah talking about it.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Aaron and I spoke before OTIA started. He's been very
good in communication. He's been here the entire time. It's
an excuse, but he had an event that was very
important to him, which he communicated.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Rob.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
I have tried to.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Believe in Aaron Rodgers with the Jets, and I do
think he is committed to trying to have a great
run with the Jets. But I'm sorry, and I guess
I'm gonna be one of the people you are trashing
because for Aaron Rodgers not to show up today for
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an inn it unexcused absence at the first mandatory workout
of the season is selfish, a hypocritical because it's inexcused.
If it were a family matter, it'd be excused. If
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it were a health issue, it be excused. And Aaron Rodgers.
Rob was the person that sat got on his soapbox
a few months ago and talked about how the Jets
we gotta get rid of the distractions. It's gotta be
all about football, nothing else. And yet on the first
(02:45):
day of mandatory workouts, you're not there for an inexcused absence.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
I get Hassan Reddick.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You gotta contract issue, that's that's fine, you're holding out
or whatever. But Air Rogers put whatever it is he's
doing ahead of football, and I think it's a bad look.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I think it sets a bad tone for the season. Now,
I'm not saying it's insurmountable. I'm just saying the first
day when you said we done with the distractions, Fellas,
it's all football and.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
You're not there.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
You're the leader, I think it's that's a bad tone.
It looks insubordinate. So it chips away at probably the
already struggling authority of your head coach, Robert Salah. He
has to go out there and tap dance around the
issue and actually say we didn't.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Hear it on ours, but I saw the press conference. Rob.
He said selfishly, selfishly, I.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Won everybody there.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Robert.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
It's not selfish, it's mandatory, Rob. I'm not being selfish
when I expect you to be here today, when I
expect it Robs you to be here. It's man to Tory,
it's the show. Rogers is the one being selfish. Again,
I'm not saying it's an insurmountable thing.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I think you'll be committed when he's there. But this
is a bad look.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And like I said, it's hypocritical when you told everybody,
I guess that was meant for everybody else. Everybody else
needs to get rid of the distractions. But I've got
something I need to do. And I think Rob the
Jets would have probably, I mean, it should have probably
made it excused because it would have looked better.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
But maybe it was so.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Frivolous, for lack of a better word, that they couldn't
justify making.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
It an excuse.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So I just think after all this talk, it just
looks bad for Aaron Rodgers first day not to show
up for an inexcused absence.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
It just doesn't move me either way. I mean, I'm
glad you're worked up. That sounds good for the radas
no sleep and I'm quiet, I know that, But I'm
saying you got a little passionate about it.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It just doesn't move me.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
I mean, I thought he was crazy when he was
trying to get back out on the field and he
was walking around during the season when he should have
easily said.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Uh, let me let me get out of here, let
me get healthy, He stuck around, he did all that.
I'm just not that big.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
I've seen it happen a lot Tom Brady missed OTAs
later in his career. A lot of people do it
mandatory or vice. Yeah, he's missed mandatory OTAs. I just
it's veteran people. Chrish, Sure you want everybody there, but
I just don't. I just don't look at it. To me,
it's about the regular season. If he plays poorly, then
if you want to go back to that, then fine.
(05:54):
There were years when he won the last two to
two MVPs. He didn't go to some of the OTAs too.
Then during that time he won MVPs.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
You can go back. If a guy doesn't play well,
you could point to it and.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Say, hey, you know, maybe if he would have went
to OTA's he would have been better.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
I just don't know what the if you could show
me a scoreboard and say, when you don't go to
OTAs for any reason, you're gonna have a bad season.
If he has a bad season, he'll be ripped. If
he has a great season, nobody will ever even think
about it or or remember it. So in the moment, yes,
you're right. At the moment, it looks bad not to
be there, But I think it's his. When you talk
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about Aaron Rodgers. It's about results. If he's terrible this year, Christen,
you can make that argument. If he's great and a
Jets win their first five or six games and they're
off to something special, then we'll go back and we
won't even address it or.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Think about it. It's one of those things. But I think,
go ahead. I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
I just think it's I think it's the here and now,
the immediate response.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Okay, I got it. He should be there. He's not there.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
But I don't think it's as big of a deal
as a maybe some people might want to make it.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I don't think him having a good year individually hinges
on today's practice or.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Tomorrow's practice for that matter.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I totally agree with that.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Like, well, I don't know if that you weren't actually
saying that, But I don't think this is gonna make
or break Aaron Rodgers. That's what I'm saying, right, Like,
if he plays poorly, it's not gonna be because he
missed today's practice, right, it's just gonna be. He's forty
years old, he's no longer has it whatever, And if
he's great, he's gonna be great regardless of today. My point,
Rob I'm more concerned about the team. I'm more concerned
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about the what it says to his teammates, not him,
He'll be fine. I'm talking about the teammates who may
be saying rob didn't Aaron say put the distractions aside?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Didn't Aaron say we're all in to win a Super
Bowl and he's not here.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
It's only two days, right, but you couldn't be here
for these two days. It just looks It's not about
the football for me from his perspective, because he's gonna
be fine. It's about the tone it sets with the
other guys.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
They all doing something.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
They all had stuff, better stuff probably to do, but
they showed up, and I, you know, so I just
think it screams hypocrisy, and that is you know, that's
what the critics of Aaron Rodgers one of the things
they point out, and I'm like, dude, just show up.
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So I think that that that's the bad look. I'm
not saying it's the worst thing in the world, but
I don't like the tone that it sets, that's.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
All I mean.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
I think those same teammates will remember how quickly he
tried to rehab last year, and he wanted to get
on the field, and he's walking and throwing the football
and he's in Wilson's ear on the sidelines. And he
didn't just say I'm hurt this year and disappear and
not show up or be around. He could have just
said I'm gonna rehab on my own, I'm gonna disappear,
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I'm not coming around.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
He was around all year. That was admirable.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
I think his teammates saw that that he was really
trying that if there was some sort of playoff scenario,
which it wasn't gonna happen, Chris, with the way that
the team went, that he was trying to make. I
think that you earned some points in that standpoint. So
I just look at it and that there's two sides.
One side you saw last year when he got hurt
that he was willing to be around and and help
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his teammates and talk to him and all that. And
in this case, I don't know what the scenario is, Chris,
about what is so important?
Speaker 5 (09:49):
I just don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
And maybe there has to be a reason that you
couldn't move today, that there's something, Well, it was inexcuse
because I.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Would think Robie, if it's something I mean, think of
us our job. If it's something legitimate, it'll be excused.
I just and look, I know I have no idea
what it is. It hasn't been reported. You know. A
thought that comes to mind is he's speaking at some event.
You know, he's obviously in the politics or other things.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
So who knows.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
But we will find out and we will see.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
But I don't think besides family health things like that.
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Speaker 1 (11:48):
And our next guest is a former NFL team physician,
Fox Sports Radio injury expert at the Padres game when
his son he's nice enough to join us, Doctor David
Child to child, Welcome, Doc, what's up, it's a score.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Thanks for having me. No, we're headed down with a
carload of kids right now, but they look quiet.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well, tell them, We said hello and we're glad to
have you for a few minutes. So look, I just
read the title of Christafsworzinga's injury. I mean I probably
mispronounced every word. Give us in layman's terms, what the
injury is and what you think the prognosis is for
him going forward.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Well, they actually spell it out. They literally say the
injury is a torn medial retinaculum that allowed dislocation of
the poster and tibiallis tendant. I get it. It's big,
fancy words. The bottom line is a main tendant on
the inside of the ankle has flipped over the inside
of the ankle. If you reach down to your shoe
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right now and feel the inside of your ankle, you'll
feel the big piece of bone and literally the tendons
flipped over the top. This is a big deal. I
don't see how it's day to day. As a matter
of fact, I think it's heroic for Zingis to have
returned to the same game because the Celtics indicated it
happened at three twenty seven of the third quarter.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
So how did he play?
Speaker 10 (13:13):
Then?
Speaker 7 (13:13):
If you're saying like this is the end of it,
this is earth shadowing or whatever.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
How did he play?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
He played because he didn't do a lot. I mean,
if you look at what he did, he didn't do
a whole.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
But I mean you could still get out there, is
what I'm saying. If it's that bad, how could you
even be out there?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Well, I mean I get it's Boston, but the closest
comp is Kurt Shilling Boston Red Sox. The bloody sock.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Yeah, that was ketchup, right, that was ketchup.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
No, No, it actually wasn't ketchup. It wasn't pure blood though.
It wasn't pure blood. It wasn't pure blood at all
because it's just it was you know, from the Nunning medicine.
But that was on the outside of the ankles, from
the inside of the ankle. But pitching is much different
than being dynamic playing the game of basketball.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, I've seen some reports that you could play with this,
but the likelihood of you injuring the ankle more severely
is just incredibly great if you were to go out
and play with this.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Is that is that true?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Well, I don't know the rednackles already torn, but you know,
imagine if that major tendence stats over the bone on
the inside of the ankle. You kind of fall down, right.
I mean, I don't see how he can dynamically play.
Like I said, it was a rogue that he returned
to the game. Do I think he's going to suffer
permanent damage if he tries to play? No? Do I
think he could sit out, you know, being given a
size to three point range and shoot three. Sure, but
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can he be dynamic and a rim protector. I just
don't see it with this type of injury. I've treated
this type of injury, and quite honestly believe or not,
he's going to need surgery to repair the to repair
the torn retinacular.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
So you predicted he will not play another minute, I.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Am predicting that he will not play. He's trying to play.
He's day to day, and they're keeping hope alive because
he returned to the game. But I think they're gonna
if they try and play him, they're gonna find out
very quickly that he can't do a lot. Look. I
still remember I was in a room full of people
at that AFC NFC Championship game with rock Perty. I
(15:20):
said he tore his own colide ligaman and he's not
returning to play. He returned to play on Thurdy fifteen,
and everyone said, you're an idiot, you're wrong, and he
handed the ball off and never threw the ball again.
So could he physically get into the game? Shore? But
could he be anywhere close to Christoph Persing?
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Porzingis no, How in the world did did doctors sign
off on Kevin Durant? Chris and I when he was
with the Warriors. Chris and I not second guest, first
guest that there's no way he should be out there.
And how does that happen when the doctors what they
say Chris, that he couldn't do any more damage kind
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of thing.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
It was ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Does that happen Dot?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I don't know. I'm not into the details of that,
but I'm with you. I was always worried about it
being a high Achilles Kevin Durant, And then we returned
to play. I said, look, the ball doesn't go through
KD anymore. It's got to go through Steph Curry. And
that's what happened in the first quarter. And then in
the second quarter Steph Curry took his turn on the
bench and the ball went through KD. And you know,
(16:23):
unfortunately that happened. But thankfully, I think I was kind
of in the minority to say that KD will he
deserves the max contract and he'll be one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, and he got that, and obviously he's played well individually.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Since then.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You mentioned that you think Porzingis is going to need surgery.
How long is the recovery from that? Like, how long
would that keep him out?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I think he could be ready towards the early part
beginning of next season. It's pretty routine to fix the retinaculum.
He might miss a little bit in the beginning, just
because it's the NBA, right and everything is there's a
lot of games. But I don't think it's a big
deal for his career. But I think it's very difficult
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to be a dynamic player right now.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Okay, okay, well, doctor child, Look, we appreciate your time
and giving us the scoop.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
So according to.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You, one final thing, this left leg injury has nothing
to do with the right cast other side, nothing to do.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
There's not even over compensation or anything that's not.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Even I don't think. So it's a it's a freak
rare thing. It has happened. I've treated it before, but
it's not that common.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Okay, okay, well, great information.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Enjoy the game tonight.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Who's winning. It's the A's and the Padres, right, and the.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Padres are winning. Come on, now.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
There you go, we will. And that beautiful ballpark. I
love that place, doctor, Oh my god, I love this stadium.
Come visit, no, doc, I never miss it. So all right, grace,
doctor David Child, Thank you, brother. We appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
All right, thank you.
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Speaker 5 (18:16):
But first, let's go back.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Let's go Rob to the story that I mean, it
just the story that keeps on giving its Caitlin Clark, Rob,
I mean, every it just seems like every day there's
something still being said about this situation. And people knew
or thought that she would lead to increase coverage with
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the WNBA, and that certainly is what they've gotten. Her
TV games are breaking all sorts of records for the WNBA.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
But it's also you know.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Cast a light on just a lot of discussions that
I'm sure the league wishes weren't taking place. Ultimately, I
think it's all good for the league, row because people
are talking, people are tuning in. Ratings are up across
the board, particularly when she plays.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
But she's become incredibly polarizing.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And the latest thing is her being left off of
Team USA that's.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Going to compete in the Olympics this summer.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
And Diana Tarazzi, who's forty two years old, this is
this will be her sixth time on Team USA. Rob
g if I'm correct, and she was talking about it recently, Rob,
here's what she said.
Speaker 10 (19:37):
The Olympic team really is just the collection of the
best players. At the end of the day, you would
say Basketball always has a firm grasp of what they
need as a team. I think people kind of loose
back of no matter what, you have to make sure
that full players fit to form the best team, say
the best players, so you know, whatever the twelve are.
(19:58):
I think you say Basketball always done a great dob
of putting that collection of down together.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Well, that much is true, Rob, that they have they
won seven straight.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Men say, whatever they're doing, they're doing it right.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
So anybody who wants to question what are they doing?
What they're doing is winning gold medals.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
How's that?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
No, from that standpoint, absolutely, And like I said yesterday,
from a basketball standpoint, you can certainly argue and argue
well that she wasn't one of the twelve best players
that deserve to be on the team. I think there
is an argument that she's good enough. Her numbers are
(20:39):
pretty good.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
She's on record on pace to be the you know,
the rookie of the year.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
She's gonna on pace at least to become the fifth
player ever to average fifteen points, five assists and five
rebounds at least.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
So she's playing well.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Their team isn't winning, of course, but you could argue
that either way, and more so probably that she's not
one of the twelve best.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
But I do think from a.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Pr standpoint, it would have been smart to put her
on the team because I think they would have winn.
They're gonna win no matter what, and I think that
would have boosted the game even more.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
But here's what I want to throw at you, Rob.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
We know that we have some polarizing athletes today, Lebron James,
Steph Curry, Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady was polarizing. Let's face it, Interestingly,
Patrick Mahomes isn't polarizing because and we're not saying this
(21:41):
is the athletes.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Fault that they're polarizing.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's just some athletes for whatever reason, some people love,
some people hate. But do you think Rob at this
moment in time, that Caitlyn Clark is actually the most
polarizing appet in the world right now, No, or the
American athlete.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
I just I just think that that she's the newest
and the latest. I still think Lebron James still runs
and has the championship. Just recently we talked about it, Chris,
where Lebron is talking and giving Kyrie his flowers and saying,
well all this and people looked at it too to.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Escape his raft because he went off on Kendrick.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not big enough profile. I guess.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
I mean, maybe he feels a kinship, you know what
I mean, Like you played in the league. Are you
talking about me like that or whatever? But I still
think it's Lebron, I really do. Caitlin has her The
w n B A is still c compared to the
other sports.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
C Is you know what I mean, But I'm talking
about you're not even saying his insult.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
But I don't even know if they're that high, but
I'm just saying, like like quality saying they're c so Lebron,
like I said, we just saw it. People went after
Lebron for that and his son playing, and there's always something.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I still think he's polarized.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
And some people are like, oh, this is great, that's
what a dad should do, make it easy for their kid,
and other people like he's teaching this kid that he
shouldn't be get a hand out, he should have to
earn it, you know what I mean. So there's always
both sides. So Caitlin is definitely polarizing, there's no doubt.
But I don't think she's supplanted Lebron, not yet. It's
(23:32):
just been too soon. Lebron has a history of this,
and even here we are twenty years Chris and four
championships and all the other stuff, the all time leading
scorer and all these other things, and there are still
people who who will go after Lebron or push back
on some of the stuff he says or does.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I think first I want to address Lebron before I
get into this whole question.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Would you say I think he'd be because I brought.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Up Patrick Mahomes, the best player in the NFL not polarizing.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Would you agree with that? Like, I don't think.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
I just don't think everybody I think says anything to
make people be bothered. He milk toast. He's not gonna
bother the toast. But yeah, I think he's milk toast.
He doesn't say anything, so why would you be mad
at him? I just don't see him as that player.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Yeah, he's he.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Says the right thing. It's hard not to like him.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Well, you might not pull for him and all that,
but it's hard just not to like him. I rob think.
I think a question I have about Lebron is was
he polarizing before he left Cleveland to go to Miami.
I think that did it because I think when when
(24:47):
Lebron was in Cleveland in his first go round, I
think like the only guy that really was was going
at him uh and being critical of him for the
most part was Skip Bayless. But I think when he
went to Miami, it feels like that's when obviously some
(25:07):
people didn't like that, a lot of people didn't like that,
and his You know, a lot of people stuck with
him and did like it.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
But I think that was when Robin he remember he
did the villain.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
He was gonna be the villain for that first year
and that didn't work. And you know, but I think
that's when he became polarized. I don't think he was
before that. Do you agree or disagree with that?
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Probably?
Speaker 7 (25:30):
I think I'm taking my talents to Miami. South Beach
was was where people put a drew a line in
the sand, like like, who is this guy to try
to stack his team and try to win and all that.
I think that's where some people decided to bail off
of that Lebron ship, you know what I mean, and
(25:51):
look at him differently.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
No, I agree with that as far as Caitlyn, Look,
you're obviously right in a few things. One, yes, I
mean Lebron has if we counted from twenty ten right
when he went to Miami. I mean, that's fourteen years
of this of being polarizing, of having those that love you,
(26:13):
having those that don't love you, and all that stuff and.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Being a hot button topic.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Obviously there's the Jordan versus Lebron and just so many things.
Also I would say Aaron Rodgers, you know, with his
stuff on and off the field, Tom Brady with his
winning and some people not liking him and all that.
(26:39):
Number One, these guys have been polarizing, if.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
You will, and again and not saying it's any fault
of theirs.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
But they've been polarizing for nearly two decades. And they're
in the much larger sports, right, Like you said, I mean,
football is king, obviously basketball is right there. I mean,
these are the popular sports, and so yes, they are,
(27:07):
you know, affecting the thoughts and views and feelings of
far more people than a WNBA basketball player Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
But at this very moment.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Rob, I guess if I had to use the term
pound for pound, you know, like I mean, Caitlyn Clark,
like I do, think she is issues that really don't
come up with the other guys, or at least not
consistently are coming up with her. Now, obviously she's a female,
(27:42):
so gender is one that's coming up with her, right
and obviously race, Now, race occasionally has come up with
Lebron He's made taking some stances and things like that,
but it really doesn't I don't think it's ever come up.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
To the degree that it is with Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Some are saying players are jealous in the WNBA, some
are saying they're resentful and all of that stuff. Now,
obviously you got the Olympic team, and you know you
got is she the reason for the growth?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
And she is.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I mean, it's just the numbers that bear it all out.
You can love it, you can hate it. You know,
you can debate and talk about why that is, but
it is happening. And I think at this very moment, again,
it's hard to compare it to those guys, Rob because
football and NBA basketball are just on a different level.
But man, she is certainly in this moment giving them
(28:41):
a run for their money. We even remember even the
situation with Greg Doyle, the columnists in Indiana, you know,
I mean, so.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
It is really incredible.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
The passion and the emotion and the feelings that she
has really you know, created in people, Rob and and
so at this moment, I think it's hard to say
somebody's more polarizing in her right now, I get it,
(29:17):
and I totally agree with the history of Lebron and
others and the you know, just the levels of their sport.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
But my goodness, it's.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Just that Lebron has been so long, Chris, and it
hasn't died. And I get that, Like that's the part,
and I get it.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
She's I mean, Lebron may be polarizer Rob till I
mean the darn near the rest of his life. Who knows.
I mean, we'll see, but it'll be interesting. But yeah,
go ahead.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Yeah, I'm just saying like she's brand new and she's
the newness and the hotness, Chris. So it's top of
mind and it just feels like that. But I just
maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm looking at it wrong, and
maybe other people, right listeners, Chris will think that she
has top Lebron already in this short period of time.
(30:08):
Do you have anybody else like Steph's died out? Because
Steph was polarizing, I think now where they are, like,
like he doesn't bother people as much.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And I think I would say, Rob, that's because yeah, yeah,
And here's why I think Steph was polarizing solely for
basketball reasons, right, Whether some people thought was overrated, right,
some of you think he's overrated. Some people thought he
wasn't better than Kevin Durant whatever it might be. Oh,
(30:40):
he doesn't have a finals MVP, like you say, he's
not clutch.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
It was nothing to do with off the court at all,
Like you know, he's you know, lived a very solid
bother has Lebron been solid, But Lebron's been more outspoken
than things like that. Yeah, So I think with Lebron
it was the move to Miami that triggered it.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Mostly.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I think it's Lebron moving around to different teams. It's
you know, people blame him for a lot of his
coaches being fired. Lebron, you know, recruiting guys and the
cryptic tweets and things like that. So that's why I
think even though Lebron's team isn't really that great anymore,
he's still polarizing where Steph, You're right, they're not really
(31:23):
contenders anymore basketball wise. He's putting up good numbers, but
you know, they're not really much of a factor.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
So I know that's a that's a good point. Yeah,
it is. It is based off of that, Like you're
not seeing Steph.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Stepp wasn't in the playoffs right, right, right, so he
can't bother me.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
You know what, I'm saying, and if Lebron wasn't in
the playoffs, it would have been a huge deal just
because you know, tweets and things like that.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
So yeah,
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