October 17, 2024 • 30 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether or not it’s fair to say that Patrick Mahomes is a ‘company man’ for the Kansas City Chiefs, argue over whether Mike Tomlin is running the risk of losing the Pittsburgh Steelers locker room by replacing Justin Fields with Russell Wilson and discuss what Kawhi Leonard’s basketball legacy will be in the wake of his latest serious knee injury.
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Patrick Mahomes, tremendous quarterback, has done so many unbelievable things
in such a short period of time. Obviously, he's won
two MVPs, three Super Bowls. You know, you can just
talk about the way this guy broke into the league
and how people are saying, you know, he has a
chance or a go potential. I do have an issue.
(00:53):
I think he hasn't even passed Joe Montana yet. But
that's neither here near there for today. But I do
have some criticism of Patrick Mahomes, and most of it
has to.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Do with off the field.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Okay, okay, and here's my off the field issues with
Patrick Mahomes. He had a chance to do something very
very special when he came into the league and he
won the Super Bowl in the MVP, and it's by
the time when his contract came up and they were
ready to pay him. He could have forced the Chiefs
to sign him to a fully guaranteed contract. Shorter just said, Hey,
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this is.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
What I want.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
The Chiefs were in no position to balk. He had
just won a super Bowl and an MVP. You know,
at his first full year, like what are you? What
is the conversation or second full year, I can't remember now,
but you get my point.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
He was very young.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He took a really bad deal home team discount. They
promised him to Moon that he would be able to
hold on to all of his players and all this stuff,
and right away they started getting rid of people because
they couldn't pay them right. So I didn't like that.
And now he's in a position where he should be
able to dictate some of the stuff that the Chiefs
(02:12):
are doing. And I'm not talking about being a diva.
I'm talking about Jess, Dude, you're down three receivers.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Can you go get us a receiver?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
We just saw two really good receivers, right, get traded right.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And we're not in a conversation for any of those
come on.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
They're bringing back re Jacks, They're bringing back Kareem Hunt, right,
They're bringing back Juju.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Shusters, Smiter Smith Shuster.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
They're bringing back those guys and talent is being moved around.
Can you tell me what a chance to three Pete
which has never been done? If they got DeVante Adams?
Do you understand what I'm saying, like this is for
your legacy?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Why are they being cheap with me? And let me
just here, let's hear.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
From Patrick Mahomes and then you can jump in.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Yeah, I have extreme confidence with the guys that are
on that football field. I mean they've won games, they've
won Super Bowls, They've made plays in big moments, and
Brett Veach does a great job of bringing players in
that can step up whenever their numbers called. And so
every time I step on that football field, I feel
like we have the best ability to win. And I
think that's a credit to Brett Beach and Coachrie bringing
guys that really get after it and put in the
work to be great every single day.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
All Right, So here's a couple of things that I
think is happening. Sometimes I think success can get in
your own way and I think Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid
and that organization has had success in a multitude of ways.
They've had success with all the stars, Tyreek Keel, They've
had of course, Travis Kelcey, Kareem Hunt when he was
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at his best in the backfield. They had a bunch
of success with guys. Then they had all the drops.
Last year, guys had butter fingers, couldn't hold on a nothing.
I don't know if they was hanging around Diddy and
had Abe Oil on her hands, they couldn't catch anything.
Yet it didn't matter because they would won a Super Bowl.
So Rob, I think there's a part of Patrick Mahomes
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that says, you can give me Boo Boo the Fool,
or you can give me Tyreek Hill. I'm going to
the Super Bowl. I think he believes in his skill
set so much, Andy Reids so much and what they
have built that he's saying, no matter who's here, yes
we can win. And it reminds me again, I keep
comparing to me the iterations of the Patriots. Where it
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started off where it was the defense, special teams, and
Tom Brady was a good game manager. Then it became
Tom Brady was very explosive. They had a bunch of weapons,
and there was different varieties in which the team is.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Created.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
This version of them is we've got great defense, Patrick Mahomes.
You don't have to be spectacular. Just don't hurt us
and make key plays at key times we can win.
And I think he's just kind of at this era
right now where he's thinking that he's gonna fall into
the era you're asking for in another year, where he's
gonna realize I need some stars. I need some guys
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who can get it done. I can't keep depending on
rejects or rehires. I need some flat out dogs. And
I think he's gonna get there to hear it too.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Right now. I think he could just win.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
It's like Lebron at his Apex, me you, Alex and
Rob G had a chance to go to the finals
with Lebron and his Apex because he's not but he
didn't win enough. He had a chance to get there.
I'm not This isn't a Lebron conversation about greatness. I'm
saying Lebron with anybody could get to the finals. And
I think Patrick Mahomes is in is no matter who's
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around me. As long as I got me Andy Reid,
this system, this is what we do. I can get
there right or wrong. That's where he is mentally, I believe.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I think here here's my issue with Patrick Mahomes. He
should be.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
An example for the NFL, and it could be both
on and off the field, and he's failed at both.
From the standpoint of he didn't secure the contract that
he was entitled to for his body of work, and
he's turned into a company man for the Chiefs because
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when you sign that contract and they tell you they're
gonna keep everybody in place so that you have a
chance to win, and the first thing they do is
get rid of Tyreek Kill because they don't want to
pay them.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That's when I'm done being the company man.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I can't do that for you. And it's worked out,
it's worked out for you, but let's be honest. You
got shut out in the second half of the AFC
Championship game. It worked out, but if it didn't work,
if they didn't win that game, you would go back
and say, what do you want Patrick Mahomes to do?
(06:47):
Because he doesn't have any weapons. All I'm saying is
people are being moved around us, not like guys on change,
exchanging teams or talent isn't available.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
And we've had Andrew Brand on this show a million times,
the former executive with the Packers, and he said time
and time again, these teams can do whatever they want.
They can kick the can down the road, they can
spend the money.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's all a shell game.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
And for Patrick Mahomes not to feel like DeVante Adams
is available, what you just told them that last year
they were dropping passes and everybody's hurt this year. I
don't want Davonte Adams. I'm one of the all time
great quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Are you kidding? But that's the challenge.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
See, I'm not even necessarily disagreeing as much as I'm
saying I think where his mindset.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
This is what I believe he's thinking.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
I believe he thinks I'm that good, I'm that great,
And unfortunately or fortunately, he has been right. It doesn't
matter if I'm surrounded aby stars. It doesn't matter if
I'm surrounded by mid it doesn't matter if I'm surrounded
by bubbs.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
That matters is he keeps winning.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Literally, he's known nothing but winning in this league.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
So I think until he has.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
A few seasons where maybe they are go eight to nine,
or maybe they're just ten and seven, barely walk into
the playoffs, and the guys keep dropping passes. Lamar Jackson
beats him a couple of times. Then I think he's
looking around like, all right, I need some help. But
right now he's five and oho. Right now he's a
raining champ, not a good now. And I hear you,
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but this is his mindset.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I think you gotta be realistic and you keep doing it.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
And my point is, why.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Should a guy of this ILK accept the bargain basement
stuff like that. It just doesn't make sense. It's not
fair to him. Is that there's a real chance that
he could do even some extra special stuff if they
just do what's right, do right by him. Nobody's asking
for them to get ten players. Don't do a Lebron.
(08:55):
I'm not asking you to team up and go get
the five best wide receivers in the league in order
to win. That's Lebron. But he can't get one of them.
They already took tyreek Y.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
It's what I'm talking about, replacing a guy of that
ILK had it is I'll say this, it's early meaning
they still got another what.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Two weeks to give or take. Then not doing it,
they might do something.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
And I think they're not gonna go get a superstar
because I don't know who else go on. But they're
gonna go get a Mike Williams from the Jets who's
already out there. They're gonna get a Mike Williams who's
gonna end up with like five six touchdowns. They're gonna
go all the way back to the AFC Championship Game.
Maybe they get into super Bowl, maybe they don't. But
they're gonna just keep winning games. And I'm saying you
(09:37):
as your idea is right, but I think winning and
having success, having a great relationship with the owner, great
relationship with Andy Reid, this is what's happening. They feel
they can get it done no matter what. It's gonna
take some losses. It's gonna take some hard seasons for
them to actually change the way they've been operating. Because
right now they're gonna say, Rob, if if was a
fifth we'd all be drunk.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
We ain't we keep winning? You talking about if they
would have lost.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
They But I'm telling you what they're gonna say is
this is you could already see it being a company man,
isn't the people have to be company men.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Because they don't have any talent or that's what they
fit in. He's not that guy and for them to
treat him that way is ridiculous. For him to accept
it and just always make excuses and go along with
whatever the chiefs tell him to say, that's what I
feel bad about, because it's not necessary.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
He's better than that.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
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Speaker 6 (10:37):
You and I been having a conversation really pretty much
throughout this whole season of justin fields and kind of
what to do, and we've differed on it a bit.
For me, I thought he's played well, great, no, but
well best of his career.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Got the team four and two.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
They were a last second touchdown away from the Cowboys
from throwing a touchdown for being five and one. Right,
he is on pace to have thirty two hundred yards
passing almost seven hundred yard for two hundred yet twenty
eight touchdowns and three interceptions had he continue, and who
knows maybe more than that, but it looks as if
it's gonna be Russell Wilson. But the reason why I'm
(11:14):
big on Justin Fields for the future.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I'm not even mad.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
If they want to go to Russell Wilson do I
want to? Is because of things like this. This is
why I think he's there. Guy the future hit me,
they got.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Play, you know good enough.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
I'm being a really huge if I'm being ruin myself,
I think if I know, I did.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Play well enough, so I don't think that there would
be any for you got a few wins, of course
at that, but you know there's areas that you know
I can be better at.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
So I don't know if you could hear it, it's clear,
and I'll just kind of reiterate some of the things
he said. He said, Hey, I don't think I played
good enough. Otherwise basically we wouldn't be in this position.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I told you.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
But what I'm saying is I like, first of all,
he has played good enough. Nobody has not looked absolutely
with the win numbers. If you go look at the
pounding person who don't care about winnings five and oh,
is he.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Not starting in their four and two? Why is he
not starting? And that is a decision Mike Tomlin wants
to make.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But if you read the numbers of passing, numbers are bad,
they're not a good He doesn't pass well enough.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
And that's the year I gotta.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Stop acting like Russell Wilson. Is that Russell Wilson years ago?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
With that?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It's that that Justin Fields has been on two teams
they got rid of him Chicago, he came here. Can
you imagine starting three and oh and four and two?
When you lose your job, it's because the numbers aren't there.
They're not kidding themselves on how they're winning. They're winning
by defense and field goals.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Stop.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
But you act like that's the same thing that the
Patriots are, the Patrick Mahomes and the and the City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
In the same conversation as Justin Field, Stop.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
I'm talking about the team people don't win a multi twenty? Like,
how did this? How did the Seattle Seahawks win the
lesion of Boom? And Russell Wilson was a manager of
those first couple of years there. Ben Roethlisberger, how did
he win? Pittsburgh Steelers have.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So you know this, but but the Steelers don't know
this is that what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
No, they're makes a decision. What the decision based on?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
If you tell me that they have the legion of
boom defense Philadelphia Pittsburgh, and they got the quarterback just
like Russell Wilson, So why are they not sticking with them?
They're watching and they realize how he struggles to consistently
throw the football, and they want a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
They haven't won a playoff game. They have if you
want a playoff games away from me five and one.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
And I hope Russell Wilson as good as you say,
because they have the twenty as good as you have.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
A miny no it is, they have a mid twenties
offensive line.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
I hope he's as healthy as he says, because Justin
Fields has been dealing with that offensive line.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yet he's still doing this well.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Five touchdowns in the air, five touchdown on you that
I'm not done. Albert Brier, who I know you respect,
is putting out multiple sources that there are quote a
ton of people in that place right now that feel
like Russell Wilson would limit them on offense in a
way that Justin Field does not, which I think is
a big part of the reason why so many people
there just wish that Tomlin would stick with Fields. I
(14:21):
told you that team believes I can't speak for Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Clearly that team with that team, a team believes in him.
Rober Hello, is this thing?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I feel like you right now? I just told you.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Albert Brier, who is hyper connected, just said a bunch
of people there are like, yo, Tomlin, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
We're winning? Had a chance to be.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Final if Dumblin has had the same situation the last
few years with quarterbacks who aren't good enough to win
in the postseason, You're not gonna bring a quarterback who's
won a Super Bowl, who's finally healthy and not kick
the tires and put them back out there to see.
If Tom Brady wonted forty something years old and you
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look at some of these older quarterbacks, you're gonna give
him a chance to do it. Now, he might not
do it. You might realize in four games that no,
he's not good enough. But there's no way you're gonna
continue to not be able to throw the ball and
have a quarterback that won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
It ain't gonna happen. So you was so My.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Point of bringing this up in the game is sound
wasn't the necessarily the best to hear them. But what
I like about Justin Fields is he's taking accountability. He's saying, hey,
maybe I could have been better. I like that because
he could have pout it. He could have said, man,
I played good enough, I'm you know, foreign two and
blah blahlah blah blah. He said, you know what it is,
what it is, I could have played better, and if
I played better, I'll put myself in a position where
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this wouldn't be happening. I like this kid. I think
they got their guy in the future. Russell Wilson may
come in and play well. I'm not listening. He's a
Hall of Fame caliber, if not a Hall of Fame quarterback.
Not arguing that. So if he comes in and he
plays well, that's great for him. Die this heel'll with
the hill.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
But no, the heel is.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
I think they got their guys, even if Russell Wilson
finishes this year.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
When they were three and oh, I tried to I
telegraphed this to you when they were three, and oh, I.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Told you you were there.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Oh, he not going Roger Wilson not going in unless
unless there's an injury or so. I can't see him
playing out this year at all. I told you this
from Jump Street. They were three and oh, and I
told you that he was Justin Fields wasn't going to
be the quarterback all year.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I told you.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You did tell me he didn't get Listen, he didn't
get the job because he beat him out in training.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Came I heard get Also, don't get paid to tell
you what somebody going to do. I tell you what
Kelvin Washington believes. And I don't know what Mike Tyland
was gonna do. I know what I would do, and
that is Keith Justin Fields in there because I like
what he's doing. I like where he's going. Clearly, I
just mentioned a bunch of the players and the team does.
So it's gonna be interesting because it looks as if
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Russell Wilson is getting it. But by your count, too,
Rob g, what is he even saying? Why didn't he
say Russell Wilson's the quarterback? Why don't he just say it?
He ain't said it yet either in that regard. He
ain't screamed Russell Wilson's the quarterback. I told you Mike
Tomlin is playing these two girlfriends right now, and I'm
about to date both of them at Quurteram And I
told you that's what he was doing, and that's why
he wasn't committed Justin Fields or Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
He's just dating both of these guys right now.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Because your point, he could have easily screamed Russell Wilson
looks healthy, looks great, he's my guy.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
He could have been dead that by now.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Well he wasn't healthy though he's healthy now. And as
soon as he got healthy, he made the switch.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
It didn't matter.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
What the what switch you keep talking about? I don't
know the switch because he ain't screened it like you
want him to.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So you said, what are you saying that he's not
that he's not that he's not saying.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Mike Tomlin is playing a Jedi mind game right now
with I don't know who.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So, so you mean to tell me that the conversation
that was had with Justin Fields where he says he
didn't play well enough, that's why he's in this situation.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
He thinks he's playing, so he thinks he's starting. No
what I'm saying is so I don't want it.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Your desire was for Mike Tomlin to come out and
say Justin Fields is our guy, bam flat out point blank,
or Russell Wilson's our guy, bam, flat out point blank.
He ain't did that yet either. That's why I keep
telling you it looks like he's gonna start. I ain't
heard it from the coach yet. And I don't understand
to Europe, why is he Hey, if this is the guy,
then why he ain't said it yet?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Now?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
The only thing he was the name just starting quarterback
to start the season.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
What in the work man?
Speaker 6 (18:32):
We are four and two Since then, I don't know
what's going on. I can't tell you what happened two
weeks ago. You want to tell me about what happened
in off season. OTA's all I know is I ain't
heard it. And the only thing I heard from Mike
Tomland was I don't know. Maybe we'll play both of them.
That's the last thing I heard from Mike Tomlin is
I don't know, maybe they'll both get some action.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
All right, hang on to that if you will. I'm
just telling you the facts. The fact.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
The facts are you saying for him to you screamed
for him to scream.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I told you that.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I told you that Russell Wilson would be the starting
quarterback as soon as he got healthy.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
It's just, it's real simple.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
This would not have happened if Justin Fields had a
golden opportunity. Okay, the guy gets injured, the guy was
named the starting quarterback. If you come in and they're
four and two and he's playing well and throwing the football,
it would be a rap. The future is with Justin Fields.
I agree with you, but he didn't. But he didn't
play well enough for them to turn the pad on
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a Super Bowl winning quarterback.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
This's my real question. Do you think well, I mean
you kind of just answered. I was gonna ask you
that as much of it is he hasn't played good enough,
or is it the ooh like, let's say, let's say
you're back out in the Dayton streets.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Right, this is a serious question.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
I don't want to get stood up again. I'm done,
day Yeah, listen, bro, I wish I was there. I
would give you a bear hud right now. I know
how we all well some of us ain't never been there,
But I get it, bro. You know what I mean, Listen,
you got the girl, Roger. You jump in on this too,
Mary when you you know out there streets too, don't
care about listen. I'm not hey, I'm not listen.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
You're in this.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
You got this girl, and she's she's beautiful. Things are
going well, going great. But you just met that other
girl a week before, and you you haven't quite dated
her yet, you haven't quite went out yet.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
You're still gonna go out with the other one with
just to see what it is.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
And I think it's more that than Justin Fields has
didn't play well enough.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I think it's yeah, he clearly he didn't play great.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Clearly, none of us are saying he was out there
lighting it up like he was Patrick Mahomes three years ago.
What I mean is, I think it's more the curiosity
with Russell as opposed to.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Man, he just ain't good enough. That's what I think.
I think.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
If it were who's another solid backup quarterback, If it
were uh uh uh Sam, Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
It'll be like you confused with all the top dancing.
What's going on here? I'm in the dating analogy was fire.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
It's just basically it's just basically like, okay, you have
two people.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
You can't just like Mary, right, you can't write one
off just because like Okay, you know you still got
to give him a chance for.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
You got to ring on it. You don't eliminate the
side piece, right, Rob Parker, you know that.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You guys do datum your single and that's what he's doing.
And I think it's more that than less just and
than than justin field. Just ain't got it.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
I think it's I think it's ooh, I like what
I got there, but ooh, let me just see.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Let me just see what's going on over there.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
And you know what the old players used to say,
I've been to club, Rob, don't mess up on a
sewer thing trying to get another thing.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
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Speaker 1 (21:38):
But let's talk about the NBA and the season is
gonna be starting pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, when we get news today, Rob geez coming up
this Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yep, we got news, Rob g that Kawhi Leonard is
out indefinitely.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Right, give me the details for the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
They got the new building that they're opening up, and
to no surprise, Kawhi is not gonna be there.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
He ain't gonna be there.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Like Actic Johnson, Kawhi Leonard will be sidelined indefinitely to
begin the NBA season, a gourd in the ESPN as
he's still rehabilitating inflammation in his right knee, the one
that was causing the issues that the team USA training camp.
They said it was not a big deal the time.
Remember the Clippers made a big hullabaloo, like I can't
believe he sent him home. He's totally healthy. Turns out
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he wasn't. And it's much worse than they expected. Timetable
to be determined, no foreseeable future for Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And you know, it's it's it's a bummer. I mean,
if you're just a basketball fan or a Clippers fan
or whatever, it's just an absolute bummer on what has
happened to Kawhi Leonard and this guy not being able
to stay healthy. And you remember this is what got
him out of sand Antonio. He didn couldn't trust the doctors.
He kept saying that he wasn't feeling right. And you know,
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they were saying, you're good enough to play, and they
even sent the dogs out on him. You remember when
was it Tony Parker and those guys kind of basically
rip them like publicly about his health, which was really
that that was definitely planned where they you know, threw
out there and had those guys go out and question
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him and his health. One thing I've never done is
you can't question the guy's health. You don't know what
somebody Hamstreet. You don't know, but you don't know what
anybody feels like. I'm just saying I've never been into that,
like cause I've.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Seen people do that to other people and stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
The next year or the off season, somebody has surgery
or something happens, you know, and people question people. You know,
Ben Simmons the whole time, they questioned him, what do
you have back surgery? Like like, you can't you don't
know what somebody has. You haven't you haven't examined them,
You're not their physician. That's all I'm saying is you
got to be real careful not to paint somebody in brush.
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What might not affect you might affect somebody in a
different way. So in this case with Kawhi Leonard. I
still think that he's secure in his career and that
he's a Hall of Famer without question. No matter what
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goes on and how bad it's been the last what
four years or so, with all the injuries and the
disappointments with the Clippers and whatnot, his body of work
went healthy is as good as anybody.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
That's the challenge. Rob.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
There are a handful of players in this generation that
when I sit down with my young daughters and who
are basketball fans and maybe or my grandchildren in twenty
thirty years whatever, and they asked me, pops, I heard
this player was good. But maybe he either didn't make
the Hall of Fame or he did. But like, what's
the story of Kawhi Leonard. It's gonna be a very
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difficult story to tell because to your point, that run
he had with the Raptors was amazing. One year, you
show up to a team that kept knocking on the
door but Lebron wouldn't open it. You finally get there,
you ball out, You get them to the playoffs, you
get them to the finals.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
You win.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
You hit a game winner against the seventy six ers,
the upstart seventy six Ers wouldn't beat It was just
an amazing run. Then you beat the Warriors and he'd
add some injuries, but you still beat him. It was
like one of the greatest one quick, one way tickets,
Like he just came into Toronto wondering and dipped out.
So to me, that really cemented it, like, wow, he's
really one of those guys. He got away from the
Spurs system where you can kind of say, oh, it
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was just he was with the Spurs, they were already good.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
He did it on his own.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Then he goes to the Clippers and he balls out there,
but then he gets getting injured, and then postseason we thought, man,
this was the year the Clippers are gonna do it.
That's the sad part Rob to me, is all the
what ifs. The Clippers finally got a guy that can
say this might be the best player in our franchise history.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
He looked like he was. Then he gets injured in
the postseason and never gets right.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Then they say, if we compare him with somebody else
who's nice, we got some. They get Paul George and
then why gets injured again? That Paul George gets injured again,
and I think, what's gonna be sad. Also, is he's
gonna be the new poster child when you think of
low management, Like when we look up the new ten
to fifteen year think in the NBA loads management, it's
gonna be Kawhi Leonard. Now I think that's gonna suck.
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That that's gonna be a part of his legacy. But
it's just disappointing and at this point, honestly, why not retire?
Like I mean that whole heart, like from a very
empathetic he's too young to feel like, dude, can't young
his body.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Dude, I'm not even being like, there's not a humor.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
He's thirty three right now, he's thirty three, but he's
like a forty three. Seriously, he can't stay healthy. And
they remember the need. That concern was that as the degenerative.
It wasn't just like, oh he messed up his knee,
will give him some time, he'll be good. There's concern
this was a chronic knee issue. And it's looking like
he's just he's just worn down.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Man.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
And to your point, I think he's a Hall of famer.
Nobody debates the talent. It's just a shame. What could
have been so many different.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Stuffs, but his reds of May is already there.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I mean, all you got the Basketball Hall of Fame,
which is not the NBA Hall of Fame. The Basketball
Hall of Fame. Okay, Tracy mcgrady's there. Couldn't even get
out of the first round of the playoffs, Okay, So
Tracy mcgrady's there. Michael Cooper is in the Basketball Hall
of Fame. Okay. Chauncey Billups just got in. I know,
he won the one championship.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
With you know, you know I'm a massive Chauncey fan,
But if he didn't get in, I wouldn't have been mad.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I could understand that.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
But I'm just I just gave you three names there
where you're like, all right, So, if you look at
Kawhy's resume.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
No, he's in two time NBA Champ, two time NBA
Finals MVP, six time All Star.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
This guy was also three times first All NBA First Team,
won the Defensive Player of.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
The Year twice.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I mean, you could go on and on and on
about what this guy has been able to accomplish, and
it's disappointing, but I think that these are these are injuries.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I don't think he's not.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Playing because he doesn't want to play, or he feels
like I got paid, I'm just gonna sit out. I
really think that he's experiencing an unbelievable rash of bad luck.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
And I so is he the modern day Bill Walton
where you see what it is, both got championships, You
see what it is, you see what it could have
been any more?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, but he I think he's better than Bill Walton.
I don't think Bill Bill Walton, I mean wist healthy,
healthy Bill. I'm not talking about I'm talking about but
he wasn't that healthy in the NBA. I'm not talking
about college. I'm talking about I'm talking about those couple
of years.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
I mean, yes, I'm saying he was hurt a lot,
But what I mean is where it's like, man win
healthy championships, you know what I mean, talent, MVP candidate
like that, that type of guy at all time.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I don't think but Bill Walton was never m v
P at the finals, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Like he was Onortland? Was he the was he the finals? MVP?
What it was? Getting busy? I remember when they won
and Boston he was like.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
A Billy Boston Boston was like twelve years c later
he was no, no, no, I'm not talking about Boss
and I'm talking about Portland. He was getting busy, he
was killing fools, putting up crazy numbers.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah he was. When he was healthy, he was right
kind of very reminds me similarly, wasn't healthy a lot.
That's why I mean.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
And listen, Kawhi hasn't really been healthy a lot. That's
the sad part about this is the Clippers are snake
bitting in that they got the guy who we had
just saw let a franchise who had gotten close ish,
just like the Clippers had gotten close ish with Live City.
You finally got your guy and he can't stay healthy.
It's like the Clippers just can't get it right. And
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then they go and get Paul George, who's often hurt
too and can't get it right. So it's like, man,
they just and I love Steve Balmer, I love what
he's trying to do, but they just can't. Man, they
just cannot get it right. And now I'm at the
point where is it even worth it? Is it even
worth it for the all parties, whether it be Kawhi
or the Clippers.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Bro We gotta move on. We tried move on where
he just signed a new contract. They're not moving How
are you moving on?
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Yeah, we're gonna have to come on, bro, we gotta
negotiate something. Get up out it, go have an amazing career.
Go I mean, you had an amazing career. Go go
do something this say. I'm not even being funny, Rob, Like, Okay,
do you think he's gonna make it through this season
even when he comes back?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
No, you don't.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I don't. He doesn't nobody, but I just I don't.
I don't know what what choice they have.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I mean, he has a choice retire. He's not gonna retire.
Are you kidding?
Speaker 6 (30:23):
He strikes me as somebody who would though, Like, I mean,
he's kind of.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
His own a long time ago. Just signed a new contract.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
If he was feeling that way, he didn't have to
come back and just signed a new three.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
You're excited about this new deal, You're excited about what's
gonna be, new building, new into it dome. Bam, you're
not playing for a while. I'm not sure he comes
back from this row. I'm not I'm empathetic. I'm not
even being funny.
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Patrick Mahomes, tremendous quarterback, has done so many unbelievable things
in such a short period of time. Obviously, he's won
two MVPs, three Super Bowls. You know, you can just
talk about the way this guy broke into the league
and how people are saying, you know, he has a
chance or a go potential. I do have an issue.
(00:53):
I think he hasn't even passed Joe Montana yet. But
that's neither here near there for today. But I do
have some criticism of Patrick Mahomes, and most of it
has to.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Do with off the field.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Okay, okay, and here's my off the field issues with
Patrick Mahomes. He had a chance to do something very
very special when he came into the league and he
won the Super Bowl in the MVP, and it's by
the time when his contract came up and they were
ready to pay him. He could have forced the Chiefs
to sign him to a fully guaranteed contract. Shorter just said, Hey,
(01:31):
this is.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
What I want.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
The Chiefs were in no position to balk. He had
just won a super Bowl and an MVP. You know,
at his first full year, like what are you? What
is the conversation or second full year, I can't remember now,
but you get my point.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
He was very young.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He took a really bad deal home team discount. They
promised him to Moon that he would be able to
hold on to all of his players and all this stuff,
and right away they started getting rid of people because
they couldn't pay them right. So I didn't like that.
And now he's in a position where he should be
able to dictate some of the stuff that the Chiefs
(02:12):
are doing. And I'm not talking about being a diva.
I'm talking about Jess, Dude, you're down three receivers.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Can you go get us a receiver?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
We just saw two really good receivers, right, get traded right.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And we're not in a conversation for any of those
come on.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
They're bringing back re Jacks, They're bringing back Kareem Hunt, right,
They're bringing back Juju.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Shusters, Smiter Smith Shuster.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
They're bringing back those guys and talent is being moved around.
Can you tell me what a chance to three Pete
which has never been done? If they got DeVante Adams?
Do you understand what I'm saying, like this is for
your legacy?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Why are they being cheap with me? And let me
just here, let's hear.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
From Patrick Mahomes and then you can jump in.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Yeah, I have extreme confidence with the guys that are
on that football field. I mean they've won games, they've
won Super Bowls, They've made plays in big moments, and
Brett Veach does a great job of bringing players in
that can step up whenever their numbers called. And so
every time I step on that football field, I feel
like we have the best ability to win. And I
think that's a credit to Brett Beach and Coachrie bringing
guys that really get after it and put in the
work to be great every single day.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
All Right, So here's a couple of things that I
think is happening. Sometimes I think success can get in
your own way and I think Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid
and that organization has had success in a multitude of ways.
They've had success with all the stars, Tyreek Keel, They've
had of course, Travis Kelcey, Kareem Hunt when he was
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at his best in the backfield. They had a bunch
of success with guys. Then they had all the drops.
Last year, guys had butter fingers, couldn't hold on a nothing.
I don't know if they was hanging around Diddy and
had Abe Oil on her hands, they couldn't catch anything.
Yet it didn't matter because they would won a Super Bowl.
So Rob, I think there's a part of Patrick Mahomes
(04:09):
that says, you can give me Boo Boo the Fool,
or you can give me Tyreek Hill. I'm going to
the Super Bowl. I think he believes in his skill
set so much, Andy Reids so much and what they
have built that he's saying, no matter who's here, yes
we can win. And it reminds me again, I keep
comparing to me the iterations of the Patriots. Where it
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started off where it was the defense, special teams, and
Tom Brady was a good game manager. Then it became
Tom Brady was very explosive. They had a bunch of weapons,
and there was different varieties in which the team is.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Created.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
This version of them is we've got great defense, Patrick Mahomes.
You don't have to be spectacular. Just don't hurt us
and make key plays at key times we can win.
And I think he's just kind of at this era
right now where he's thinking that he's gonna fall into
the era you're asking for in another year, where he's
gonna realize I need some stars. I need some guys
(05:03):
who can get it done. I can't keep depending on
rejects or rehires. I need some flat out dogs. And
I think he's gonna get there to hear it too.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Right now. I think he could just win.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
It's like Lebron at his Apex, me you, Alex and
Rob G had a chance to go to the finals
with Lebron and his Apex because he's not but he
didn't win enough. He had a chance to get there.
I'm not This isn't a Lebron conversation about greatness. I'm
saying Lebron with anybody could get to the finals. And
I think Patrick Mahomes is in is no matter who's
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around me. As long as I got me Andy Reid,
this system, this is what we do. I can get
there right or wrong. That's where he is mentally, I believe.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I think here here's my issue with Patrick Mahomes. He
should be.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
An example for the NFL, and it could be both
on and off the field, and he's failed at both.
From the standpoint of he didn't secure the contract that
he was entitled to for his body of work, and
he's turned into a company man for the Chiefs because
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when you sign that contract and they tell you they're
gonna keep everybody in place so that you have a
chance to win, and the first thing they do is
get rid of Tyreek Kill because they don't want to
pay them.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That's when I'm done being the company man.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I can't do that for you. And it's worked out,
it's worked out for you, but let's be honest. You
got shut out in the second half of the AFC
Championship game. It worked out, but if it didn't work,
if they didn't win that game, you would go back
and say, what do you want Patrick Mahomes to do?
(06:47):
Because he doesn't have any weapons. All I'm saying is
people are being moved around us, not like guys on change,
exchanging teams or talent isn't available.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
And we've had Andrew Brand on this show a million times,
the former executive with the Packers, and he said time
and time again, these teams can do whatever they want.
They can kick the can down the road, they can
spend the money.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's all a shell game.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
And for Patrick Mahomes not to feel like DeVante Adams
is available, what you just told them that last year
they were dropping passes and everybody's hurt this year. I
don't want Davonte Adams. I'm one of the all time
great quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Are you kidding? But that's the challenge.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
See, I'm not even necessarily disagreeing as much as I'm
saying I think where his mindset.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
This is what I believe he's thinking.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
I believe he thinks I'm that good, I'm that great,
And unfortunately or fortunately, he has been right. It doesn't
matter if I'm surrounded aby stars. It doesn't matter if
I'm surrounded by mid it doesn't matter if I'm surrounded
by bubbs.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
That matters is he keeps winning.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Literally, he's known nothing but winning in this league.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
So I think until he has.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
A few seasons where maybe they are go eight to nine,
or maybe they're just ten and seven, barely walk into
the playoffs, and the guys keep dropping passes. Lamar Jackson
beats him a couple of times. Then I think he's
looking around like, all right, I need some help. But
right now he's five and oho. Right now he's a
raining champ, not a good now. And I hear you,
(08:27):
but this is his mindset.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I think you gotta be realistic and you keep doing it.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
And my point is, why.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Should a guy of this ILK accept the bargain basement
stuff like that. It just doesn't make sense. It's not
fair to him. Is that there's a real chance that
he could do even some extra special stuff if they
just do what's right, do right by him. Nobody's asking
for them to get ten players. Don't do a Lebron.
(08:55):
I'm not asking you to team up and go get
the five best wide receivers in the league in order
to win. That's Lebron. But he can't get one of them.
They already took tyreek Y.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
It's what I'm talking about, replacing a guy of that
ILK had it is I'll say this, it's early meaning
they still got another what.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Two weeks to give or take. Then not doing it,
they might do something.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
And I think they're not gonna go get a superstar
because I don't know who else go on. But they're
gonna go get a Mike Williams from the Jets who's
already out there. They're gonna get a Mike Williams who's
gonna end up with like five six touchdowns. They're gonna
go all the way back to the AFC Championship Game.
Maybe they get into super Bowl, maybe they don't. But
they're gonna just keep winning games. And I'm saying you
(09:37):
as your idea is right, but I think winning and
having success, having a great relationship with the owner, great
relationship with Andy Reid, this is what's happening. They feel
they can get it done no matter what. It's gonna
take some losses. It's gonna take some hard seasons for
them to actually change the way they've been operating. Because
right now they're gonna say, Rob, if if was a
fifth we'd all be drunk.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
We ain't we keep winning? You talking about if they
would have lost.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
They But I'm telling you what they're gonna say is
this is you could already see it being a company man,
isn't the people have to be company men.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Because they don't have any talent or that's what they
fit in. He's not that guy and for them to
treat him that way is ridiculous. For him to accept
it and just always make excuses and go along with
whatever the chiefs tell him to say, that's what I
feel bad about, because it's not necessary.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
He's better than that.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
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Speaker 6 (10:37):
You and I been having a conversation really pretty much
throughout this whole season of justin fields and kind of
what to do, and we've differed on it a bit.
For me, I thought he's played well, great, no, but
well best of his career.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Got the team four and two.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
They were a last second touchdown away from the Cowboys
from throwing a touchdown for being five and one. Right,
he is on pace to have thirty two hundred yards
passing almost seven hundred yard for two hundred yet twenty
eight touchdowns and three interceptions had he continue, and who
knows maybe more than that, but it looks as if
it's gonna be Russell Wilson. But the reason why I'm
(11:14):
big on Justin Fields for the future.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I'm not even mad.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
If they want to go to Russell Wilson do I
want to? Is because of things like this. This is
why I think he's there. Guy the future hit me,
they got.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Play, you know good enough.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
I'm being a really huge if I'm being ruin myself,
I think if I know, I did.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Play well enough, so I don't think that there would
be any for you got a few wins, of course
at that, but you know there's areas that you know
I can be better at.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
So I don't know if you could hear it, it's clear,
and I'll just kind of reiterate some of the things
he said. He said, Hey, I don't think I played
good enough. Otherwise basically we wouldn't be in this position.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I told you.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
But what I'm saying is I like, first of all,
he has played good enough. Nobody has not looked absolutely
with the win numbers. If you go look at the
pounding person who don't care about winnings five and oh,
is he.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Not starting in their four and two? Why is he
not starting? And that is a decision Mike Tomlin wants
to make.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But if you read the numbers of passing, numbers are bad,
they're not a good He doesn't pass well enough.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
And that's the year I gotta.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Stop acting like Russell Wilson. Is that Russell Wilson years ago?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
With that?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It's that that Justin Fields has been on two teams
they got rid of him Chicago, he came here. Can
you imagine starting three and oh and four and two?
When you lose your job, it's because the numbers aren't there.
They're not kidding themselves on how they're winning. They're winning
by defense and field goals.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Stop.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
But you act like that's the same thing that the
Patriots are, the Patrick Mahomes and the and the City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
In the same conversation as Justin Field, Stop.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
I'm talking about the team people don't win a multi twenty? Like,
how did this? How did the Seattle Seahawks win the
lesion of Boom? And Russell Wilson was a manager of
those first couple of years there. Ben Roethlisberger, how did
he win? Pittsburgh Steelers have.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So you know this, but but the Steelers don't know
this is that what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
No, they're makes a decision. What the decision based on?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
If you tell me that they have the legion of
boom defense Philadelphia Pittsburgh, and they got the quarterback just
like Russell Wilson, So why are they not sticking with them?
They're watching and they realize how he struggles to consistently
throw the football, and they want a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
They haven't won a playoff game. They have if you
want a playoff games away from me five and one.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
And I hope Russell Wilson as good as you say,
because they have the twenty as good as you have.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
A miny no it is, they have a mid twenties
offensive line.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
I hope he's as healthy as he says, because Justin
Fields has been dealing with that offensive line.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yet he's still doing this well.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Five touchdowns in the air, five touchdown on you that
I'm not done. Albert Brier, who I know you respect,
is putting out multiple sources that there are quote a
ton of people in that place right now that feel
like Russell Wilson would limit them on offense in a
way that Justin Field does not, which I think is
a big part of the reason why so many people
there just wish that Tomlin would stick with Fields. I
(14:21):
told you that team believes I can't speak for Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Clearly that team with that team, a team believes in him.
Rober Hello, is this thing?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I feel like you right now? I just told you.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Albert Brier, who is hyper connected, just said a bunch
of people there are like, yo, Tomlin, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
We're winning? Had a chance to be.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Final if Dumblin has had the same situation the last
few years with quarterbacks who aren't good enough to win
in the postseason, You're not gonna bring a quarterback who's
won a Super Bowl, who's finally healthy and not kick
the tires and put them back out there to see.
If Tom Brady wonted forty something years old and you
(15:04):
look at some of these older quarterbacks, you're gonna give
him a chance to do it. Now, he might not
do it. You might realize in four games that no,
he's not good enough. But there's no way you're gonna
continue to not be able to throw the ball and
have a quarterback that won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
It ain't gonna happen. So you was so My.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Point of bringing this up in the game is sound
wasn't the necessarily the best to hear them. But what
I like about Justin Fields is he's taking accountability. He's saying, hey,
maybe I could have been better. I like that because
he could have pout it. He could have said, man,
I played good enough, I'm you know, foreign two and
blah blahlah blah blah. He said, you know what it is,
what it is, I could have played better, and if
I played better, I'll put myself in a position where
(15:43):
this wouldn't be happening. I like this kid. I think
they got their guy in the future. Russell Wilson may
come in and play well. I'm not listening. He's a
Hall of Fame caliber, if not a Hall of Fame quarterback.
Not arguing that. So if he comes in and he
plays well, that's great for him. Die this heel'll with
the hill.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
But no, the heel is.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
I think they got their guys, even if Russell Wilson
finishes this year.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
When they were three and oh, I tried to I
telegraphed this to you when they were three, and oh, I.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Told you you were there.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Oh, he not going Roger Wilson not going in unless
unless there's an injury or so. I can't see him
playing out this year at all. I told you this
from Jump Street. They were three and oh, and I
told you that he was Justin Fields wasn't going to
be the quarterback all year.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I told you.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You did tell me he didn't get Listen, he didn't
get the job because he beat him out in training.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Came I heard get Also, don't get paid to tell
you what somebody going to do. I tell you what
Kelvin Washington believes. And I don't know what Mike Tyland
was gonna do. I know what I would do, and
that is Keith Justin Fields in there because I like
what he's doing. I like where he's going. Clearly, I
just mentioned a bunch of the players and the team does.
So it's gonna be interesting because it looks as if
(16:55):
Russell Wilson is getting it. But by your count, too,
Rob g, what is he even saying? Why didn't he
say Russell Wilson's the quarterback? Why don't he just say it?
He ain't said it yet either in that regard. He
ain't screamed Russell Wilson's the quarterback. I told you Mike
Tomlin is playing these two girlfriends right now, and I'm
about to date both of them at Quurteram And I
told you that's what he was doing, and that's why
he wasn't committed Justin Fields or Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
He's just dating both of these guys right now.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Because your point, he could have easily screamed Russell Wilson
looks healthy, looks great, he's my guy.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
He could have been dead that by now.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Well he wasn't healthy though he's healthy now. And as
soon as he got healthy, he made the switch.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
It didn't matter.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
What the what switch you keep talking about? I don't
know the switch because he ain't screened it like you
want him to.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So you said, what are you saying that he's not
that he's not that he's not saying.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Mike Tomlin is playing a Jedi mind game right now
with I don't know who.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So, so you mean to tell me that the conversation
that was had with Justin Fields where he says he
didn't play well enough, that's why he's in this situation.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
He thinks he's playing, so he thinks he's starting. No
what I'm saying is so I don't want it.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Your desire was for Mike Tomlin to come out and
say Justin Fields is our guy, bam flat out point blank,
or Russell Wilson's our guy, bam, flat out point blank.
He ain't did that yet either. That's why I keep
telling you it looks like he's gonna start. I ain't
heard it from the coach yet. And I don't understand
to Europe, why is he Hey, if this is the guy,
then why he ain't said it yet?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Now?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
The only thing he was the name just starting quarterback
to start the season.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
What in the work man?
Speaker 6 (18:32):
We are four and two Since then, I don't know
what's going on. I can't tell you what happened two
weeks ago. You want to tell me about what happened
in off season. OTA's all I know is I ain't
heard it. And the only thing I heard from Mike
Tomland was I don't know. Maybe we'll play both of them.
That's the last thing I heard from Mike Tomlin is
I don't know, maybe they'll both get some action.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
All right, hang on to that if you will. I'm
just telling you the facts. The fact.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
The facts are you saying for him to you screamed
for him to scream.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I told you that.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I told you that Russell Wilson would be the starting
quarterback as soon as he got healthy.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
It's just, it's real simple.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
This would not have happened if Justin Fields had a
golden opportunity. Okay, the guy gets injured, the guy was
named the starting quarterback. If you come in and they're
four and two and he's playing well and throwing the football,
it would be a rap. The future is with Justin Fields.
I agree with you, but he didn't. But he didn't
play well enough for them to turn the pad on
(19:29):
a Super Bowl winning quarterback.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
This's my real question. Do you think well, I mean
you kind of just answered. I was gonna ask you
that as much of it is he hasn't played good enough,
or is it the ooh like, let's say, let's say
you're back out in the Dayton streets.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Right, this is a serious question.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
I don't want to get stood up again. I'm done,
day Yeah, listen, bro, I wish I was there. I
would give you a bear hud right now. I know
how we all well some of us ain't never been there,
But I get it, bro. You know what I mean, Listen,
you got the girl, Roger. You jump in on this too,
Mary when you you know out there streets too, don't
care about listen. I'm not hey, I'm not listen.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
You're in this.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
You got this girl, and she's she's beautiful. Things are
going well, going great. But you just met that other
girl a week before, and you you haven't quite dated
her yet, you haven't quite went out yet.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
You're still gonna go out with the other one with
just to see what it is.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
And I think it's more that than Justin Fields has
didn't play well enough.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I think it's yeah, he clearly he didn't play great.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Clearly, none of us are saying he was out there
lighting it up like he was Patrick Mahomes three years ago.
What I mean is, I think it's more the curiosity
with Russell as opposed to.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Man, he just ain't good enough. That's what I think.
I think.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
If it were who's another solid backup quarterback, If it
were uh uh uh Sam, Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
It'll be like you confused with all the top dancing.
What's going on here? I'm in the dating analogy was fire.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
It's just basically it's just basically like, okay, you have
two people.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
You can't just like Mary, right, you can't write one
off just because like Okay, you know you still got
to give him a chance for.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
You got to ring on it. You don't eliminate the
side piece, right, Rob Parker, you know that.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You guys do datum your single and that's what he's doing.
And I think it's more that than less just and
than than justin field. Just ain't got it.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
I think it's I think it's ooh, I like what
I got there, but ooh, let me just see.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Let me just see what's going on over there.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
And you know what the old players used to say,
I've been to club, Rob, don't mess up on a
sewer thing trying to get another thing.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
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Speaker 1 (21:38):
But let's talk about the NBA and the season is
gonna be starting pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, when we get news today, Rob geez coming up
this Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yep, we got news, Rob g that Kawhi Leonard is
out indefinitely.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Right, give me the details for the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
They got the new building that they're opening up, and
to no surprise, Kawhi is not gonna be there.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
He ain't gonna be there.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Like Actic Johnson, Kawhi Leonard will be sidelined indefinitely to
begin the NBA season, a gourd in the ESPN as
he's still rehabilitating inflammation in his right knee, the one
that was causing the issues that the team USA training camp.
They said it was not a big deal the time.
Remember the Clippers made a big hullabaloo, like I can't
believe he sent him home. He's totally healthy. Turns out
(22:20):
he wasn't. And it's much worse than they expected. Timetable
to be determined, no foreseeable future for Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And you know, it's it's it's a bummer. I mean,
if you're just a basketball fan or a Clippers fan
or whatever, it's just an absolute bummer on what has
happened to Kawhi Leonard and this guy not being able
to stay healthy. And you remember this is what got
him out of sand Antonio. He didn couldn't trust the doctors.
He kept saying that he wasn't feeling right. And you know,
(22:52):
they were saying, you're good enough to play, and they
even sent the dogs out on him. You remember when
was it Tony Parker and those guys kind of basically
rip them like publicly about his health, which was really
that that was definitely planned where they you know, threw
out there and had those guys go out and question
(23:12):
him and his health. One thing I've never done is
you can't question the guy's health. You don't know what
somebody Hamstreet. You don't know, but you don't know what
anybody feels like. I'm just saying I've never been into that,
like cause I've.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Seen people do that to other people and stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
The next year or the off season, somebody has surgery
or something happens, you know, and people question people. You know,
Ben Simmons the whole time, they questioned him, what do
you have back surgery? Like like, you can't you don't
know what somebody has. You haven't you haven't examined them,
You're not their physician. That's all I'm saying is you
got to be real careful not to paint somebody in brush.
(23:53):
What might not affect you might affect somebody in a
different way. So in this case with Kawhi Leonard. I
still think that he's secure in his career and that
he's a Hall of Famer without question. No matter what
(24:14):
goes on and how bad it's been the last what
four years or so, with all the injuries and the
disappointments with the Clippers and whatnot, his body of work
went healthy is as good as anybody.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
That's the challenge. Rob.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
There are a handful of players in this generation that
when I sit down with my young daughters and who
are basketball fans and maybe or my grandchildren in twenty
thirty years whatever, and they asked me, pops, I heard
this player was good. But maybe he either didn't make
the Hall of Fame or he did. But like, what's
the story of Kawhi Leonard. It's gonna be a very
(24:50):
difficult story to tell because to your point, that run
he had with the Raptors was amazing. One year, you
show up to a team that kept knocking on the
door but Lebron wouldn't open it. You finally get there,
you ball out, You get them to the playoffs, you
get them to the finals.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
You win.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
You hit a game winner against the seventy six ers,
the upstart seventy six Ers wouldn't beat It was just
an amazing run. Then you beat the Warriors and he'd
add some injuries, but you still beat him. It was
like one of the greatest one quick, one way tickets,
Like he just came into Toronto wondering and dipped out.
So to me, that really cemented it, like, wow, he's
really one of those guys. He got away from the
Spurs system where you can kind of say, oh, it
(25:30):
was just he was with the Spurs, they were already good.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
He did it on his own.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Then he goes to the Clippers and he balls out there,
but then he gets getting injured, and then postseason we thought, man,
this was the year the Clippers are gonna do it.
That's the sad part Rob to me, is all the
what ifs. The Clippers finally got a guy that can
say this might be the best player in our franchise history.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
He looked like he was. Then he gets injured in
the postseason and never gets right.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Then they say, if we compare him with somebody else
who's nice, we got some. They get Paul George and
then why gets injured again? That Paul George gets injured again,
and I think, what's gonna be sad. Also, is he's
gonna be the new poster child when you think of
low management, Like when we look up the new ten
to fifteen year think in the NBA loads management, it's
gonna be Kawhi Leonard. Now I think that's gonna suck.
(26:16):
That that's gonna be a part of his legacy. But
it's just disappointing and at this point, honestly, why not retire?
Like I mean that whole heart, like from a very
empathetic he's too young to feel like, dude, can't young
his body.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Dude, I'm not even being like, there's not a humor.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
He's thirty three right now, he's thirty three, but he's
like a forty three. Seriously, he can't stay healthy. And
they remember the need. That concern was that as the degenerative.
It wasn't just like, oh he messed up his knee,
will give him some time, he'll be good. There's concern
this was a chronic knee issue. And it's looking like
he's just he's just worn down.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Man.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
And to your point, I think he's a Hall of famer.
Nobody debates the talent. It's just a shame. What could
have been so many different.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Stuffs, but his reds of May is already there.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I mean, all you got the Basketball Hall of Fame,
which is not the NBA Hall of Fame. The Basketball
Hall of Fame. Okay, Tracy mcgrady's there. Couldn't even get
out of the first round of the playoffs, Okay, So
Tracy mcgrady's there. Michael Cooper is in the Basketball Hall
of Fame. Okay. Chauncey Billups just got in. I know,
he won the one championship.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
With you know, you know I'm a massive Chauncey fan,
But if he didn't get in, I wouldn't have been mad.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I could understand that.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
But I'm just I just gave you three names there
where you're like, all right, So, if you look at
Kawhy's resume.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
No, he's in two time NBA Champ, two time NBA
Finals MVP, six time All Star.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
This guy was also three times first All NBA First Team,
won the Defensive Player of.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
The Year twice.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I mean, you could go on and on and on
about what this guy has been able to accomplish, and
it's disappointing, but I think that these are these are injuries.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I don't think he's not.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Playing because he doesn't want to play, or he feels
like I got paid, I'm just gonna sit out. I
really think that he's experiencing an unbelievable rash of bad luck.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
And I so is he the modern day Bill Walton
where you see what it is, both got championships, You
see what it is, you see what it could have
been any more?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, but he I think he's better than Bill Walton.
I don't think Bill Bill Walton, I mean wist healthy,
healthy Bill. I'm not talking about I'm talking about but
he wasn't that healthy in the NBA. I'm not talking
about college. I'm talking about I'm talking about those couple
of years.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
I mean, yes, I'm saying he was hurt a lot,
But what I mean is where it's like, man win
healthy championships, you know what I mean, talent, MVP candidate
like that, that type of guy at all time.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I don't think but Bill Walton was never m v
P at the finals, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Like he was Onortland? Was he the was he the finals? MVP?
What it was? Getting busy? I remember when they won
and Boston he was like.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
A Billy Boston Boston was like twelve years c later
he was no, no, no, I'm not talking about Boss
and I'm talking about Portland. He was getting busy, he
was killing fools, putting up crazy numbers.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah he was. When he was healthy, he was right
kind of very reminds me similarly, wasn't healthy a lot.
That's why I mean.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
And listen, Kawhi hasn't really been healthy a lot. That's
the sad part about this is the Clippers are snake
bitting in that they got the guy who we had
just saw let a franchise who had gotten close ish,
just like the Clippers had gotten close ish with Live City.
You finally got your guy and he can't stay healthy.
It's like the Clippers just can't get it right. And
(29:32):
then they go and get Paul George, who's often hurt
too and can't get it right. So it's like, man,
they just and I love Steve Balmer, I love what
he's trying to do, but they just can't. Man, they
just cannot get it right. And now I'm at the
point where is it even worth it? Is it even
worth it for the all parties, whether it be Kawhi
or the Clippers.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Bro We gotta move on. We tried move on where
he just signed a new contract. They're not moving How
are you moving on?
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Yeah, we're gonna have to come on, bro, we gotta
negotiate something. Get up out it, go have an amazing career.
Go I mean, you had an amazing career. Go go
do something this say. I'm not even being funny, Rob, Like, Okay,
do you think he's gonna make it through this season
even when he comes back?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
No, you don't.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I don't. He doesn't nobody, but I just I don't.
I don't know what what choice they have.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I mean, he has a choice retire. He's not gonna retire.
Are you kidding?
Speaker 6 (30:23):
He strikes me as somebody who would though, Like, I mean,
he's kind of.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
His own a long time ago. Just signed a new contract.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
If he was feeling that way, he didn't have to
come back and just signed a new three.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
You're excited about this new deal, You're excited about what's
gonna be, new building, new into it dome. Bam, you're
not playing for a while. I'm not sure he comes
back from this row. I'm not I'm empathetic. I'm not
even being funny.
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