November 28, 2024 • 35 mins
Rob Parker & Martin Weiss talk about the terrible ending of the Bears vs Lions on Thanksgiving. Plus, the guys talk about LeBron James closing in on another Michael Jordan achievement and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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That's right, you are now.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Inside the odd couple on a happy Thanksgiving evening?
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Say my name gig gig up? Is that my name?
O my god? And his name is Martin Weiss. That's right,
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Speaker 5 (01:28):
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Speaker 4 (01:31):
Okay, all right, all right, well it is Thanksgiving evening
and we are here the odd couple for the next
three hours.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And yes we are live.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Let's welcome in my co host, mister Martin Weiss.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
You Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. What's happening?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
How are you? Well?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know, life is good. I spent my Thanksgiving under
the hood of my new car. So man, stuff, is
it new or new?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Used? New to me? Which is new? All right?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, I'm just saying because if it was new from
the dealership, you shouldn't have your head on the warrant.
That's what I'm saying, right, That's what I mean, like
it shouldn't be. I'm trying to restore manhood in this country. Rob,
I got I fixed my own car. Oh is that
what it is?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Cheap? Yeah? You change your own oil too, yeah wow, okay,
very nice. You can't change a tire. I can't change
your time with you out there. I've changed the tire
before on the freeway. Are you kidding? Right now?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
There's somebody pulled over because they can't change their trier
waiting Triple A. Oh I believe, and their wife is
looking at them like see Martin. Well also too. You
gotta be careful. It's got to be dangerous. People get
hit out there trying to change your tire on the freeway.
I mean, you gotta be if you're not in a
safe spot, you have to be careful.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
But all right, let's welcome into the couple crew.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
And yes, you know, working on the holidays is something
I'm used to. I worked in Detroit for all these years,
covered the Lions Thanksgiving Day game for twenty years, so
this is like norm for me. And anytime I get it,
chance to do the Odd Couple, even on a holiday
or whatever. As you know, I love the summertime. I
love to go to baseball games, to travel. That's when
I use my vacation time up and I'd rather be here.
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So if you're driving around you want to listen to
the odd Couple, call in, jump into conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
We can do that.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
If you've got a flat tire and you're waiting for
Triple A, call all, you can do that as well.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Call Triple A first and then call the odd Couple.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
I mean you can call it the odd couple. We'll
walk you through it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
All right, let's welcome in our producer of course, Patrick
filling in.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
For Rob g Hey, guys, that's right USC. Chris. What's up?
Chris doing the updates? He's at the anchor desk. Can
I get we can hear you.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
It's a new Uh, it's a new situation. I'm usually
over on the boardop and now they throw me over
here instead, and I feel good after the lions Witch say.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, there you go. And Chris was one of my
students at USC. I'm proud of Chris. Where he's gone.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Did you get a refund from Sally Maker? What ch Chris? No,
I'm talking about that degree.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Oh yeah, uh, we'll see you have a USC degree too.
Hold on second, we both went to Agria, but I
didn't take Rob Parker's class.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That's why my degree is the.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Rob Parker talked me out of an actual real class
to go over to class exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
You see that and that was that was the best
thing that ever happened to you. We did you not
enjoy that class? Chris coast Gray.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
We got to talk with Joe Dumars and we had
Terrell Owens in the class.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It was fantastic. It was fantastic. Even Martin even filled
it for me once on my for my class.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Wait hold on, now those now those students have a
have a they.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Have a reason to want their money back. I would too,
I'd be mad if I was teaching. There you go,
all right, and uh on the ones and twos? Why
you bug?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And all right, let's let's start with the first game
of the day on Thanksgiving. Of course, the lie of
traditional Thanksgiving Day game in Detroit, and for years a
long time people always said they wanted the to give
it up. People when the Lions were brutal and I
was doing those twenty years of covering, people were like,
we're tired of watching the Lions. Nobody wants to see
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the Lions. And people had to be reminded that a
was the Lions owner that came up with the idea
for the Thanksgiving Day game. So it was originally done
in Detroit, and it's a holiday for people who don't
know it's big, it's a holiday in the city or whatever.
So anyway, the Lions got off to a fast start.
Everybody thought it was gonna be a blowout, and then
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all of a sudden, the Bears put on a nice
second half comeback, making a ball game.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
They're in a field goal range.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
It looked like to me with a chance to maybe
tie the game, send it to overtime. And then they
have a coach barely barely Matt Iberflus. And I'm gonna
say this, the only thing harder than saying his last
name is watching this guy coach down the stretch like, seriously,
are you like, like this is not second? Did he
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take the time out home with Martin that he didn't utilize?
Like the announcers are yelling at him, the guys on
the radio, fans Twitter, like what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
If you can clip it, you should play the last bit,
the very last bit of Dan Miller from Dan Miller
called from the Lions Radio network. He says it in
the moment he's like, what are the Bears doing? This
is the Lions radio broadcast saying what are the Bears doing?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And you could hear it also Jim nance You know
what I mean? Jim Nantz is talking about like it
was so obvious and did we get did ibra Flus
give some lame excuse? Do we have sound from him
trying to explain it because I just saw a story,
but I didn't know if we have sound.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
What were you just as they try to find this?
What were you thinking? You know at this point, because
I've seen more.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Than just ebra flues. But he's a bad coach.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But I've seen coaches botch running the end of the game,
like time clock management, when the call timeouts, stuff like that.
It's amazing that these guys are pro NFL coaches and
they don't know how to run the clock.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
This game ended perfectly for the Chicago Bears. If you're
a Chicago Bears fan, you should be sitting around your
table right now saying, thank goodness, this is the way
this ended. You just went up against the best team
in the NFL, right arguably? No, Well, I'm not going
to argue they're the best team. You like the Ravens. Yes,
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I still like the Ravens. I don't care what their
record is. They've played team So sports has a short
menu wins and losses until not it that ain't it?
Feelings over fast and who you and who you play against,
who you beat? That's well, the Lions are beating everybody
they played against save one team, and that they beat
the Bears today, So they go out there.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Sixty is a reporter? What are you doing today? You're
a fan or a reporter. I'm not a Lions fan, no,
all right, I just want to make sure I know
Chris Is. Just want to see where you are. I'm
not a Lions fan.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I just covered the team for games. So sixteen nothing
and at halftime, what happens. Kayler william comes out, second
half looks good. All right, take some bad sacks, but
three touchdown passes, no interceptions, moves the ball down, gets
you in a chance to win. So you have good
feelings about your rookie quarterback after that performance.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Everything is not going to be smooth sailing as we've
seen so far.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Definitely throughout KAYLEB Williams a short NFL career and all
the NFL rookies short NFL career, it is not just
going to be a linear progression.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Everything improves.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
You could take good feelings from Kayler Williams' performance today.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Also, Matt Eberflus completely blowing.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
The end of this game ensures you just that much
closer that you will not have to deal with Matt
Eberflus going forward next season.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Matt Eberflus.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Look, he apologized to his wife, saying, look, babe, sorry
I miss Thanksgiving, but said I promise I'll be home
for Christmas. That's what that type of coaching is like,
when you do that on the national stage first Thanksgiving Day.
Everyone in America is watching this. Grandma is watching this.
Your uncle, who never watches football ever, is watching this, like, oh, I.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Heard the Lions are pretty good this year. Huh?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Is that so?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And that's how all of this is right here.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
So right before that Thanksgiving dinner, Chicago Bears fans got
everything they wanted. A good second half performance out of
their rookie quarterback and a terrible second half performance, really
whole game performance out of your head coach, both of them.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
That's good going forward.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I think that you're if you think that this is
the nail, this is probably the last straw.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But he was fired already. There's no way he was returning.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
He was returning even if they would have won this
game or whatever. I mean, it's been so bad there.
I think that they're gonna make a change, and they
had already decided that they're not gonna pull the plug
like a lot of teams don't pull the plug during
the season. But I don't think that even had they won,
that that would have saved this job, or people would thought.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Not that have been a stepping stone on the way,
because right, Kayleb Williams, like I said, play, but I'm
saying I couldn't have saved this job.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I got you. But here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
What if Kayleb Williams parlays that second half into a
whole full game next game, and all of a sudden
he gets on a heater.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'll love Jayden Daniels in the beginning of the year.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Now, all of a sudden, the Bears finished down the
stretch something like five to one, four and two. Now
you would have people arguing, maybe he should stay with this.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
No one will argue, yeah, I don't know, because you're
you're next week is another game.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Okay, So they could have won.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I mean saying if they if they get hot and
keep winning, But all of a sudden, it becomes wait,
maybe we should give heat a bad coach.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And I think everybody knows that this is not If
you followed anything in Chicago, they've been banging the drum forever.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
That ebra flute should be fired. Well that's because they don't.
I mean, no one thinks he's gonna run off six
in a row.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
But if in fact he did, I just don't think
that people think he's a good coach. And this just,
if anything, You're right, it just solidified the idea maybe
everybody else around NFL or Cassart for for themselves, but
for me to believe that the Bears are bringing this
guy back, I would be I would be flopping gas.
Of course they won't because of the way that games
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like this ended the way. But this is not the
only game, though, is that they've had other games at
the end, is what I'm saying to you. And my
point is that if in fact some of these games
were managed better down the stretch, or in fact Caleb
Williams had been better in the first half of this
game or something like that, you might have won this
game in spite of Matt Eberflus. That would have been
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a problem. And this in Chicago, and I get every
r national media punderanging the Bears, We're gonna win the
Super Bowl, all of this, the expectations have to be
adjusted back to what reality it was.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
There was people Nick Wright said it on first thing. First,
there were people picking them to go to the right.
There's no way that you went from that to where
they are now that you're gonna hold onto your junts.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
You have to understand and they have to adjust your
circumstances and your reality back to actual reality, not made
up forrest land, where we'll receive this number one prospect
for years and years or two years straight to come
out there and then take the NFL by storm. But
it's what if he does, then losses like this will
keep that firing. To keep the idea we have to
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move on from this guy going like this the block kick.
Losses like this, you keep losing them at the buzzer
because you could be losing games at the buzzer and
feeling like, man, if we just got one more thing
put together, we got one more thing put together, and
you give a guy a shot. How many games did
Dan Campbell lose before he was on the hot seat
himself when they lost to the Patriots that game and
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then all of a sudden turned it on. Now you
don't have to worry about that about ebraflues because of
the way games like this end. Yeah, I just think
it would have been really hard for this guy to
hold on to his job, just from the expectations, just
from the.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
What are they lost six in a row now?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Just the way things have played out with this organization,
and obviously this last this was like the last one,
just for everybody to see. They pulled the covers back.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So if you didn't know who Matt Eberflus was, I
think everybody in NFL America got to see and know
who he is now.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
And then they go, Okay, now I get it. Now
I understand why the Bears have been bad.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
They got a bad coach, but another just one of
these examples, and he's not the only one. I've watched
plenty of games where I'm just surprised at how bad
some of these coaches are with managing the clock.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You brought up Dan Campbell. I can remember.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Dan Miller, who does the Lions radio games, doing the
same thing with him a few years ago, a couple
of years ago, you know, screaming call a time out, Dan,
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Like these are NFL coaches, It is surprising, but that
was about as ugly as it gets.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Do we have that play? We do have that call
at the end Bears.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Go straight to the line third and twenty six from
the Lion forty one Williams with ten seconds to go
in the game. Williams with seven Williams with six takes this.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
This could be the final play of the game. Throws
it deep down field. It is a game outs and incomplete.
That's it.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
What in the world with the person.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Game?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
It's over?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Wait? Man, you talk about the world of frock.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
This man over?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Oh, he's over the lost that's it.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
All right, there it is. I heard my man Lois
in the background. Who's gonna lose this job? That's it?
That's crazy, all right?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Eighty seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. I don't know
the time clock management in the NFL, Matt Eberflus, I mean,
what do you make of it? Uh? Like I said,
I think he is gonna get fired. Was gonna get
fired even coming into this game. But my god, you
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finally got to see it up front. And have you
ever seen game end like this where coach is taking
a timeout home? What are you taking a timeout home?
I don't I don't know how this could even happen.
But your thoughts on this game the ending of the game.
Caleb Williams, if you have any thoughts on him as well,
played well in the second half.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Three touchdowns made it a game. They look like they're
gonna get blown out in the first half. That didn't happen.
Eight seven, seven ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
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A TV theme song Thursday, Rob Parker, Martin wise In
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Speaker 2 (15:29):
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Speaker 3 (15:58):
Absolutely app Freaking Loulie. It is the odd couple on
a Thanksgiving Night. A TV theme song Thursday. That's right,
that's my turkey? Can I hit a turkey in my backyard?
Is that all like a turkey to you? It's such
a disgusting sound. That's a turkey right then? Favorite sound
every Yeah, I was trying to imitate the turkey.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Mine is what a real turke sounds like?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Good, good good.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
But anyway, that's a one year ago from today. Row,
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with the crew working on the holiday, I've had some
food made chef fanatic my man. Check him out on Instagram.
He's he's done some catering for me in the past.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Martin. You know Tony Torres from Downey.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
He does a great job. And we brought in. I
brought him food, mac and cheese. Patrick, get on the mic, Mary,
get on the mic. Right, Chris, Uh, very good turkey,
mac and cheese stuffing.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
I gotta say turkey juicy juice. We talked about this.
A lot of people have their turkey dry. But if
you know how to brian the turkey and season it well,
it comes out great. And that was fantastic turkey.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Very good. And Mary mac and cheese yes, fire man.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yes, the mac and the stuff and ooh boy, that's great,
very good.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
It was.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
That's right, it was very good. So we appreciate. Oh
she fanatic who is on ig and he does a
great job. Like I said, I've hired him in the past.
And make sure we brought some food in for everybody
who's working on a holiday and there are other people working.
I got Texas from friends people working, Martin. Everybody's not off.
It's okay. I'm cool with working. I had a nice
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relaxing day, full of energy to come in watch football,
had some food to eat and talk to you guys
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Will get some stuff. Let's move here, Martin.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
As the Giants Cowboys game comes down to the final
couple of minutes, Cowboys on a first and five.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
First down or so will probably be good enough to
know they're gonna get two first downs because New York
still has two times.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
So they have still two left. Okay, so still second down.
It was first and five that I look like they
lost a couple of yards. But anyway, that game is
a seven point game with about two minutes to go.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Let's go to the NBA. So last night the Lakers
had a big one.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Remember they had lost three in a row and they
didn't play well on the road, but they went to
San Antonio and they beat the Spurs. Were pretty good decent,
I would say decent this year. Last year they were
awful decent. Lebron had a big game. You got the
numbers with Lebron Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
He had over thirty points and so it was another
thirty point game for him. And that takes us to
the inside the NBA crew when they talked about the
performance by Lebron. And take a listen from TNT.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
He's second and thirty point games. Now with five hundred
and fifty nine, MJ's got five sixty two, see.
Speaker 8 (19:40):
Not earning what that's an amazing staff to talk about everybody,
I don't get into the beat about greatness. So Lebron
has played how many more seasons than Michael Jordan. He's
still behind him. That's crazy. That's crazy. And I listen,
I love Lebron for him to be that far behind MG,
and I'm playing probably eight more seasons. Come on, man,
y'all need to stop this.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
There it is, that's from yesterday. Yeah, Lebron didn't have
thirty points. Yesterday they played the Spars.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Wasn't that uh? Yeah, but Lebron didn't have thirty points?
What night was that? I was?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I was just I thought that was yesterday. Lebron hasn't
had thirty points and since in a week. The last
time Lebron had thirty was November twenty first against Orlando
one nineteen to one eighteen loss.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Was it correct Orlando? That's corrected? All right? I was
doing updates last night.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Lebron didn't have thirty Anthony Davis had like nineteen and
fourteen seven assists.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, all right, Well let's talk about this because this
was the part that that that intrigued me about Charles
even bringing this up. Lebron has five hundred and fifty
nine and Michael has five hundred and sixty two.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
When you look at that, do you have to have
context for that to mean anything to you?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And what I mean by that, is Obviously, there's a
great chance that Lebron if he plays this year next year,
is going to have the He already has the most points,
He's going to have the most thirty point games, all
these different things. But obviously, Michael Jordan only played thirteen years,
is it? And Lebron is what season number twenty one,
so he's piling up numbers.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
But when I look at this, it tells you.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Every time I hear these kind of stats, it tells
me what kind of a career Michael Jordan really have.
And I know a lot of people try to minimize
Lebron James's I mean Michael Jordan's career, No, Michael Michael
Jordan's career, but they try to minimize it with only because.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
He's six to zero in the NBA Finals like that.
They think that that's his career. But his career is
way bigger than that.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And I'm talking about the ten straight scoring titles, you
know what I mean, all the other things that went
in Defensive.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Player of the Year.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
There's so much his resume is filled with, but people
always try to make it as the only reason people
think he's the goat is based on the six and
zero and the six finals, MVP. Where are you when
it comes to the Lebron Michael Jordan just debate and
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how do you look at stats or.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
As longevity good enough for you?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
I'm in contact a lot obviously matters, of course, it
matters how long, Like that's what sports is about. It's
how long what level can you reach and how long
can you maintain that level. I think Lebron has shown that,
even though he's taking steps back, that he has maintained
a higher level of you know, NBA whoever you want
to call it, you know, excellence whatever, longer than almost
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anybody else has in the end, Like Jordan had a
shorter career with longer with bigger peaks, but when you
look at the longevity of it, you can't knock it
to me. So twenty one years of being like people
talked about Victor Webbin Yama is the best prospect since
Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
If that's the case, Victor's already behind schedule.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Now that's a guy we're talking about who's literally has
lived less years on this earth than Lebron James' NBA
career has eclipsed like that, But that's who they said,
it's supposed to be next up is Victor, right, Victor webernyem,
he's already behind schedule when you look at the numbers,
so like to me, Yeah, it shows that Jordan was
a prolific scorer, and it shows that Lebron also a
prolific scorer that played a lot longer.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, but there's more than just that. I get that
part of it.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
But also when you think about what Michael was able
to do in such a short of amount of time,
as what is impressive to me not the longevity, because
a lot of people say that that's part of Lebron's thing,
is you know, patting stats that the longer you play.
But here's here's my argument against longevity. If Lebron said,
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just say, doesn't win another championship, correct, you're gonna give
me that.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Give me that he does and win another championship. Set
up your own hypothetical world.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Fine, Okay, some people don't want to do the hypothetical
when it's not in their favor.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I'm talking about when it's not Lebron's favor.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Would you look at him differently? He plays twenty four
NBA season with four championships. Do you see what I'm
saying the longer you play four championships isn't nearly as impressive.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
No, it's usually impressive because he individually is still playing
at a high level. When you look at him at
this age, he's still a top at the worst you
want to say, a top fifteen player in the NBA
right now today, on November twenty eighth, twenty twenty four,
he's the top what fifteen?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Does he have the same impact to winning, because that's
what I will. That's what I will.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
No, no, no, no, ask you that said, the top
fifteen player in the top twenty. All right, let's call
him seven, let's call him this one, let's call let's
call it this is top twenty.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
He's the seventeenth best players. Put them in between us. Okay,
all right, seventeenth best player in the NBA. He's supposed
to be you've donna's hasslm right now, he's supposed to
be LaMarcus Aldrids.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But like LaMarcus aldris in his last year.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Noose, he's not supposed to be sitting on the end
of no, no, those if he's playing at this age, no, no, no, that's.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
The difference No, it's not. It is those guys were
never that good. So that's why. So that's why.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
But that's why the longevity argument only matters for guys
who are never like once you hit a peak and
maintain said peak, or you hit a peak and you're
able to replicate a replicable fact simile of that peak
year after year after year after year after year.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I can't knock that.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
No, but nobody's knocking it. But what I'm trying to
say to you is, here's why it doesn't add up.
Because for him to play with the numbers that he's
putting up and to have Anthony Davis on his team,
and the only way the Lakers make the playoffs is
through to play in or they have to get like
they're not even a top eight team and they got
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to go through.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Lebron was still top five, Like, no, he don't need
to be top five with Anthony David. Lebron was don't
need to be top five with Anthony day of that
stuff didn't matter because he was good enough to overcome it.
It's the same thing we were talking about in the
first hour with the Bears. Caleb Williams is not good
enough to overcome all of the dysfunction that is going
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on around him, Joe Burrow at times, and justin that
he has been good enough to overcome historic uh just mismanagement.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
The Lakers are mismanaged franchise.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
If Lebron played, for example, the Spurs, Lebron play, hold
on the part of the mismanagement. No, yes, he is
a lot of the moves that they've made, well, then
that's their fault. That's not like, that's their fault because
you know what, the Miami he could have did the
same thing when Lebron went up there and talked to
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pat Riley and said, you need to come coach this team.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Pat Riley, you know what he did.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
He said no, because he's the guy in charge. If
you want to count out to Lebron, that's your fault.
But that's your fault.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But they but you can't act like Lebron that you
say that mismanaged Lebron.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
And and uh and and and.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
His agency with Rich Paul, they have a lot of
say they made them draft Bronni on a roster spot.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I argue, no, no, it's not.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
It's not Lebron, it's the people that are supposed to
be running the organization. If for like in any walk
of life, it's the people that's supposed to be, you know,
enforcing or whatever doing their jobs.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
If somebody, for example, just let you come in whenever
you were.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Doing wanted to do your show, say I'll be there
at seven fifteen today, you know why because this is
when I want to come in. Is that your fault
or is that their management's fault for not doing something
about it?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Management?
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, But if you go and once you sign up
with Lebron, My point is that Lebron is the one
who has asked them or had them trade the younger players.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And the Lakers are the ones that did. They run
it very much still life, which is why they're poorly rich.
Don't you don't you rememberless too?
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Don't you remember when even when they want when he
wanted Russell Westbrook, I mean that was the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
They showed him that Genie bus wasn't as barbecue. It
was Russell Westbrook, Anthony Davis and Lebron. They had a
pow wow. And that's and then all of a sudden,
that's when it all happened. Is and I get it
because that they Lakers should not run their organization like
a mom and pop store.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
But guess what they are. They're a mom and pop store.
Like I said, poorly managed. But Lea has a part
of it. He's not. He's a GM, the facto GM.
Well he shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
That's again, you are making everything and are not Lebron
being the defect of being a facto JM and good
they are being.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
But you could be a de facto and be good
at it. He's bad at it, okay, but so good.
Jordan was an actual GM. He was bad at it.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
But here so that just goes to show you why
if Lebron was in a franchise that was more properly managed,
the winning would be different.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
No, he wouldn't be there because he wouldn't go to
it be. He wouldn't be there, would he. He he
was in Miami. Hempions Miami. But they didn't but they
didn't win. They won two, but they were supposed to
win seventh.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Okay, but they say you can't fundamentally say they did
not win when your next sentences say one.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
They didn't win, what's not how they were what they
expected them to win? You know that that was when
they came together for them to lose to that Dallas
Mavericks team and for them to only win two out
of four when they had a stacked team.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
So they won cent of available championships. But they didn't
win anything. No, they didn't do anything special. Shorts has
a sports, Shorts has a short, Shorts has a what sports?
You don't man, leave it alone.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I'm wondering if you do winning matters here, but it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Hey, but they only won two, but they should have
won seven. But did they win to even still Mac,
I'm not sure?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Eight seven seven ninety nine, the foks eight seven, seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
What's the question? Look at Royan in fact win two
championships in Miami.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Looking at stats, I mean, is it just the compiling
of number or does it have to have a context.
And all I'm saying is, yes, Lebron is going to
pass Michael Jordan in thirty point games.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
He only's behind by three.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
We already know that he's the leading point scorer in
NBA history.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
He went to the NBA.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Finals set, We got all that, But does it need
context for it to matter? And when I look at
the context and what Michael has done in such a
shorter amount of time. That gives me even more reason
to believe that, without question, Michael Jordan is the greatest
NBA player we've seen.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Where are You? Eight seven seven ninety nine?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
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Speaker 2 (30:47):
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I was three and oh last night. My total is
now seventy eight seventy two and two. Man, what a comeback.
I was down big time, and I've been running off games.
I have now won that with six in a row
coming into today. Today the best bet I had the
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Cowboys minus three and a half. That looks pretty good, right,
leading the Giants by fourteen with less than five minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
About the punt right now, we'll see how it ends.
Be quiet. I got this Wines recovering until they weren't.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
No, and I had the Bears plus ten, Bears plus ten.
I felt good about that all the way. I figured
the Lines will win. When it was sixteen nothing, I'm
sure people were like, oh, this's gonna be a thirty
nothing blowout, thirty two to nothing or whatever. So I
won that game as well. And then tonight I took
the Packers just the one. I hesitated a little bit,
but I took the Packers minus three and a half
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at home against the Dolphins. I like the way the
Dolphins are playing in tour, but I still took the Packers.
So Packers minus three and a half. I got it
right with the Bears plus ten, and of course the
Cowboys minus three and a half. And remember Martin Wise,
I'm not telling you who to bet on. I'm telling
you who I bet on. And you know these were
all posted on social media before the games started.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
All right, Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
When I think of Thanksgiving, Martin, I just want to
get a quick little take from you and Chris usc
Chris and some of the other people if we have time.
But my mom was a great baker, and they they
used to call her Betty Crocker because she was such
a great baker.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And she used to.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Bake not only sweet potato pies for our family, but
for everybody, like at church in the neighborhood, like people
would be coming by my mom like it was like
a business for her, like a side hustle, side business. Sure,
and she once burnt out our stove, you know what
I mean, from baking so many pies or whatever. And
the smell of sweet potato pie in the house is
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the memory I have with my mom a Thanksgiving on
how good her sweet potato pie. And then my niece today, Brandy,
who's in her thirties, she sent me a picture of
two sweet potato pies that she made.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
She used to watch my mom bake.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
My mom's deceased, she used to watch my mom bake
and whatnot and picked up the sweet Potato pie. So
that's my Thanksgiving memory of my mom.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
That's awesome, man.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
I'd say I'm thankful that the Lions are good because
I know a ton of people who have spent a
lot of time covering these teams, and we used to
do the same. Like I spent most of everything's Giving
between moving out of here watching the Lions play.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And it was a big.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Spread at the radio station I worked at. So I'm
glad that they're good because it was that much worse
watching them suck. Yeah, a lot of people wanted the
Lions going, Hey, usc Chris, you got a special shout out.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Yeah, if I can just do this real quick. My
aunt Ali, who's only more of an older cousin than me,
She's only like ten years older than me. She's been
trying to keep the family together, you know, cousins of
this age we all kind of drift apart. But she's
going through a masectomy this Monday. I just want to
shout out, I'm thankful for her. She's been going through
a lot, but she means the world to me, so
you know it, Loving.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Prayers, absolutely appreciate it, all right, our number two of
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Speaker 4 (00:42):
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Speaker 5 (01:28):
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Speaker 4 (01:31):
Okay, all right, all right, well it is Thanksgiving evening
and we are here the odd couple for the next
three hours.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And yes we are live.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Let's welcome in my co host, mister Martin Weiss.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
You Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. What's happening?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
How are you? Well?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know, life is good. I spent my Thanksgiving under
the hood of my new car. So man, stuff, is
it new or new?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Used? New to me? Which is new? All right?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, I'm just saying because if it was new from
the dealership, you shouldn't have your head on the warrant.
That's what I'm saying, right, That's what I mean, like
it shouldn't be. I'm trying to restore manhood in this country. Rob,
I got I fixed my own car. Oh is that
what it is?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Cheap? Yeah? You change your own oil too, yeah wow, okay,
very nice. You can't change a tire. I can't change
your time with you out there. I've changed the tire
before on the freeway. Are you kidding? Right now?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
There's somebody pulled over because they can't change their trier
waiting Triple A. Oh I believe, and their wife is
looking at them like see Martin. Well also too. You
gotta be careful. It's got to be dangerous. People get
hit out there trying to change your tire on the freeway.
I mean, you gotta be if you're not in a
safe spot, you have to be careful.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
But all right, let's welcome into the couple crew.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
And yes, you know, working on the holidays is something
I'm used to. I worked in Detroit for all these years,
covered the Lions Thanksgiving Day game for twenty years, so
this is like norm for me. And anytime I get it,
chance to do the Odd Couple, even on a holiday
or whatever. As you know, I love the summertime. I
love to go to baseball games, to travel. That's when
I use my vacation time up and I'd rather be here.
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Speaker 2 (03:16):
We can do that.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
If you've got a flat tire and you're waiting for
Triple A, call all, you can do that as well.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Call Triple A first and then call the odd Couple.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
I mean you can call it the odd couple. We'll
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Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
All right, let's welcome in our producer of course, Patrick
filling in.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
For Rob g Hey, guys, that's right USC. Chris. What's up?
Chris doing the updates? He's at the anchor desk. Can
I get we can hear you.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
It's a new Uh, it's a new situation. I'm usually
over on the boardop and now they throw me over
here instead, and I feel good after the lions Witch say.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, there you go. And Chris was one of my
students at USC. I'm proud of Chris. Where he's gone.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Did you get a refund from Sally Maker? What ch Chris? No,
I'm talking about that degree.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Oh yeah, uh, we'll see you have a USC degree too.
Hold on second, we both went to Agria, but I
didn't take Rob Parker's class.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That's why my degree is the.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Rob Parker talked me out of an actual real class
to go over to class exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
You see that and that was that was the best
thing that ever happened to you. We did you not
enjoy that class? Chris coast Gray.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
We got to talk with Joe Dumars and we had
Terrell Owens in the class.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It was fantastic. It was fantastic. Even Martin even filled
it for me once on my for my class.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Wait hold on, now those now those students have a
have a they.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Have a reason to want their money back. I would too,
I'd be mad if I was teaching. There you go,
all right, and uh on the ones and twos? Why
you bug?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And all right, let's let's start with the first game
of the day on Thanksgiving. Of course, the lie of
traditional Thanksgiving Day game in Detroit, and for years a
long time people always said they wanted the to give
it up. People when the Lions were brutal and I
was doing those twenty years of covering, people were like,
we're tired of watching the Lions. Nobody wants to see
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the Lions. And people had to be reminded that a
was the Lions owner that came up with the idea
for the Thanksgiving Day game. So it was originally done
in Detroit, and it's a holiday for people who don't
know it's big, it's a holiday in the city or whatever.
So anyway, the Lions got off to a fast start.
Everybody thought it was gonna be a blowout, and then
(05:30):
all of a sudden, the Bears put on a nice
second half comeback, making a ball game.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
They're in a field goal range.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
It looked like to me with a chance to maybe
tie the game, send it to overtime. And then they
have a coach barely barely Matt Iberflus. And I'm gonna
say this, the only thing harder than saying his last
name is watching this guy coach down the stretch like, seriously,
are you like, like this is not second? Did he
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take the time out home with Martin that he didn't utilize?
Like the announcers are yelling at him, the guys on
the radio, fans Twitter, like what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
If you can clip it, you should play the last bit,
the very last bit of Dan Miller from Dan Miller
called from the Lions Radio network. He says it in
the moment he's like, what are the Bears doing? This
is the Lions radio broadcast saying what are the Bears doing?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And you could hear it also Jim nance You know
what I mean? Jim Nantz is talking about like it
was so obvious and did we get did ibra Flus
give some lame excuse? Do we have sound from him
trying to explain it because I just saw a story,
but I didn't know if we have sound.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
What were you just as they try to find this?
What were you thinking? You know at this point, because
I've seen more.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Than just ebra flues. But he's a bad coach.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But I've seen coaches botch running the end of the game,
like time clock management, when the call timeouts, stuff like that.
It's amazing that these guys are pro NFL coaches and
they don't know how to run the clock.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
This game ended perfectly for the Chicago Bears. If you're
a Chicago Bears fan, you should be sitting around your
table right now saying, thank goodness, this is the way
this ended. You just went up against the best team
in the NFL, right arguably? No, Well, I'm not going
to argue they're the best team. You like the Ravens. Yes,
(07:28):
I still like the Ravens. I don't care what their
record is. They've played team So sports has a short
menu wins and losses until not it that ain't it?
Feelings over fast and who you and who you play against,
who you beat? That's well, the Lions are beating everybody
they played against save one team, and that they beat
the Bears today, So they go out there.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Sixty is a reporter? What are you doing today? You're
a fan or a reporter. I'm not a Lions fan, no,
all right, I just want to make sure I know
Chris Is. Just want to see where you are. I'm
not a Lions fan.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I just covered the team for games. So sixteen nothing
and at halftime, what happens. Kayler william comes out, second
half looks good. All right, take some bad sacks, but
three touchdown passes, no interceptions, moves the ball down, gets
you in a chance to win. So you have good
feelings about your rookie quarterback after that performance.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Everything is not going to be smooth sailing as we've
seen so far.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Definitely throughout KAYLEB Williams a short NFL career and all
the NFL rookies short NFL career, it is not just
going to be a linear progression.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Everything improves.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
You could take good feelings from Kayler Williams' performance today.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Also, Matt Eberflus completely blowing.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
The end of this game ensures you just that much
closer that you will not have to deal with Matt
Eberflus going forward next season.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Matt Eberflus.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Look, he apologized to his wife, saying, look, babe, sorry
I miss Thanksgiving, but said I promise I'll be home
for Christmas. That's what that type of coaching is like,
when you do that on the national stage first Thanksgiving Day.
Everyone in America is watching this. Grandma is watching this.
Your uncle, who never watches football ever, is watching this, like, oh, I.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Heard the Lions are pretty good this year. Huh?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Is that so?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And that's how all of this is right here.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
So right before that Thanksgiving dinner, Chicago Bears fans got
everything they wanted. A good second half performance out of
their rookie quarterback and a terrible second half performance, really
whole game performance out of your head coach, both of them.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
That's good going forward.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I think that you're if you think that this is
the nail, this is probably the last straw.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But he was fired already. There's no way he was returning.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
He was returning even if they would have won this
game or whatever. I mean, it's been so bad there.
I think that they're gonna make a change, and they
had already decided that they're not gonna pull the plug
like a lot of teams don't pull the plug during
the season. But I don't think that even had they won,
that that would have saved this job, or people would thought.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Not that have been a stepping stone on the way,
because right, Kayleb Williams, like I said, play, but I'm
saying I couldn't have saved this job.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I got you. But here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
What if Kayleb Williams parlays that second half into a
whole full game next game, and all of a sudden
he gets on a heater.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'll love Jayden Daniels in the beginning of the year.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Now, all of a sudden, the Bears finished down the
stretch something like five to one, four and two. Now
you would have people arguing, maybe he should stay with this.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
No one will argue, yeah, I don't know, because you're
you're next week is another game.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Okay, So they could have won.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I mean saying if they if they get hot and
keep winning, But all of a sudden, it becomes wait,
maybe we should give heat a bad coach.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And I think everybody knows that this is not If
you followed anything in Chicago, they've been banging the drum forever.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
That ebra flute should be fired. Well that's because they don't.
I mean, no one thinks he's gonna run off six
in a row.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
But if in fact he did, I just don't think
that people think he's a good coach. And this just,
if anything, You're right, it just solidified the idea maybe
everybody else around NFL or Cassart for for themselves, but
for me to believe that the Bears are bringing this
guy back, I would be I would be flopping gas.
Of course they won't because of the way that games
(11:10):
like this ended the way. But this is not the
only game, though, is that they've had other games at
the end, is what I'm saying to you. And my
point is that if in fact some of these games
were managed better down the stretch, or in fact Caleb
Williams had been better in the first half of this
game or something like that, you might have won this
game in spite of Matt Eberflus. That would have been
(11:30):
a problem. And this in Chicago, and I get every
r national media punderanging the Bears, We're gonna win the
Super Bowl, all of this, the expectations have to be
adjusted back to what reality it was.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
There was people Nick Wright said it on first thing. First,
there were people picking them to go to the right.
There's no way that you went from that to where
they are now that you're gonna hold onto your junts.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
You have to understand and they have to adjust your
circumstances and your reality back to actual reality, not made
up forrest land, where we'll receive this number one prospect
for years and years or two years straight to come
out there and then take the NFL by storm. But
it's what if he does, then losses like this will
keep that firing. To keep the idea we have to
(12:13):
move on from this guy going like this the block kick.
Losses like this, you keep losing them at the buzzer
because you could be losing games at the buzzer and
feeling like, man, if we just got one more thing
put together, we got one more thing put together, and
you give a guy a shot. How many games did
Dan Campbell lose before he was on the hot seat
himself when they lost to the Patriots that game and
(12:34):
then all of a sudden turned it on. Now you
don't have to worry about that about ebraflues because of
the way games like this end. Yeah, I just think
it would have been really hard for this guy to
hold on to his job, just from the expectations, just
from the.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
What are they lost six in a row now?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Just the way things have played out with this organization,
and obviously this last this was like the last one,
just for everybody to see. They pulled the covers back.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So if you didn't know who Matt Eberflus was, I
think everybody in NFL America got to see and know
who he is now.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
And then they go, Okay, now I get it. Now
I understand why the Bears have been bad.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
They got a bad coach, but another just one of
these examples, and he's not the only one. I've watched
plenty of games where I'm just surprised at how bad
some of these coaches are with managing the clock.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You brought up Dan Campbell. I can remember.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Dan Miller, who does the Lions radio games, doing the
same thing with him a few years ago, a couple
of years ago, you know, screaming call a time out, Dan,
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Like these are NFL coaches, It is surprising, but that
was about as ugly as it gets.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Do we have that play? We do have that call
at the end Bears.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Go straight to the line third and twenty six from
the Lion forty one Williams with ten seconds to go
in the game. Williams with seven Williams with six takes this.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
This could be the final play of the game. Throws
it deep down field. It is a game outs and incomplete.
That's it.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
What in the world with the person.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Game?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
It's over?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Wait? Man, you talk about the world of frock.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
This man over?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Oh, he's over the lost that's it.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
All right, there it is. I heard my man Lois
in the background. Who's gonna lose this job? That's it?
That's crazy, all right?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Eighty seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. I don't know
the time clock management in the NFL, Matt Eberflus, I mean,
what do you make of it? Uh? Like I said,
I think he is gonna get fired. Was gonna get
fired even coming into this game. But my god, you
(14:50):
finally got to see it up front. And have you
ever seen game end like this where coach is taking
a timeout home? What are you taking a timeout home?
I don't I don't know how this could even happen.
But your thoughts on this game the ending of the game.
Caleb Williams, if you have any thoughts on him as well,
played well in the second half.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Three touchdowns made it a game. They look like they're
gonna get blown out in the first half. That didn't happen.
Eight seven, seven ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
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Speaker 2 (15:29):
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Speaker 3 (15:58):
Absolutely app Freaking Loulie. It is the odd couple on
a Thanksgiving Night. A TV theme song Thursday. That's right,
that's my turkey? Can I hit a turkey in my backyard?
Is that all like a turkey to you? It's such
a disgusting sound. That's a turkey right then? Favorite sound
every Yeah, I was trying to imitate the turkey.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Mine is what a real turke sounds like?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Good, good good.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
But anyway, that's a one year ago from today. Row,
that's right, we were here when we recorded that. Patrick,
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to give a shout out when we came in today
with the crew working on the holiday, I've had some
food made chef fanatic my man. Check him out on Instagram.
He's he's done some catering for me in the past.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Martin. You know Tony Torres from Downey.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
He does a great job. And we brought in. I
brought him food, mac and cheese. Patrick, get on the mic, Mary,
get on the mic. Right, Chris, Uh, very good turkey,
mac and cheese stuffing.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
I gotta say turkey juicy juice. We talked about this.
A lot of people have their turkey dry. But if
you know how to brian the turkey and season it well,
it comes out great. And that was fantastic turkey.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Very good. And Mary mac and cheese yes, fire man.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yes, the mac and the stuff and ooh boy, that's great,
very good.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
It was.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
That's right, it was very good. So we appreciate. Oh
she fanatic who is on ig and he does a
great job. Like I said, I've hired him in the past.
And make sure we brought some food in for everybody
who's working on a holiday and there are other people working.
I got Texas from friends people working, Martin. Everybody's not off.
It's okay. I'm cool with working. I had a nice
(18:12):
relaxing day, full of energy to come in watch football,
had some food to eat and talk to you guys
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Will get some stuff. Let's move here, Martin.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
As the Giants Cowboys game comes down to the final
couple of minutes, Cowboys on a first and five.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
First down or so will probably be good enough to
know they're gonna get two first downs because New York
still has two times.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
So they have still two left. Okay, so still second down.
It was first and five that I look like they
lost a couple of yards. But anyway, that game is
a seven point game with about two minutes to go.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Let's go to the NBA. So last night the Lakers
had a big one.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Remember they had lost three in a row and they
didn't play well on the road, but they went to
San Antonio and they beat the Spurs. Were pretty good decent,
I would say decent this year. Last year they were
awful decent. Lebron had a big game. You got the
numbers with Lebron Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
He had over thirty points and so it was another
thirty point game for him. And that takes us to
the inside the NBA crew when they talked about the
performance by Lebron. And take a listen from TNT.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
He's second and thirty point games. Now with five hundred
and fifty nine, MJ's got five sixty two, see.
Speaker 8 (19:40):
Not earning what that's an amazing staff to talk about everybody,
I don't get into the beat about greatness. So Lebron
has played how many more seasons than Michael Jordan. He's
still behind him. That's crazy. That's crazy. And I listen,
I love Lebron for him to be that far behind MG,
and I'm playing probably eight more seasons. Come on, man,
y'all need to stop this.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
There it is, that's from yesterday. Yeah, Lebron didn't have
thirty points. Yesterday they played the Spars.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Wasn't that uh? Yeah, but Lebron didn't have thirty points?
What night was that? I was?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I was just I thought that was yesterday. Lebron hasn't
had thirty points and since in a week. The last
time Lebron had thirty was November twenty first against Orlando
one nineteen to one eighteen loss.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Was it correct Orlando? That's corrected? All right? I was
doing updates last night.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Lebron didn't have thirty Anthony Davis had like nineteen and
fourteen seven assists.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, all right, Well let's talk about this because this
was the part that that that intrigued me about Charles
even bringing this up. Lebron has five hundred and fifty
nine and Michael has five hundred and sixty two.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
When you look at that, do you have to have
context for that to mean anything to you?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And what I mean by that, is Obviously, there's a
great chance that Lebron if he plays this year next year,
is going to have the He already has the most points,
He's going to have the most thirty point games, all
these different things. But obviously, Michael Jordan only played thirteen years,
is it? And Lebron is what season number twenty one,
so he's piling up numbers.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
But when I look at this, it tells you.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Every time I hear these kind of stats, it tells
me what kind of a career Michael Jordan really have.
And I know a lot of people try to minimize
Lebron James's I mean Michael Jordan's career, No, Michael Michael
Jordan's career, but they try to minimize it with only because.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
He's six to zero in the NBA Finals like that.
They think that that's his career. But his career is
way bigger than that.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And I'm talking about the ten straight scoring titles, you
know what I mean, all the other things that went
in Defensive.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Player of the Year.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
There's so much his resume is filled with, but people
always try to make it as the only reason people
think he's the goat is based on the six and
zero and the six finals, MVP. Where are you when
it comes to the Lebron Michael Jordan just debate and
(22:25):
how do you look at stats or.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
As longevity good enough for you?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
I'm in contact a lot obviously matters, of course, it
matters how long, Like that's what sports is about. It's
how long what level can you reach and how long
can you maintain that level. I think Lebron has shown that,
even though he's taking steps back, that he has maintained
a higher level of you know, NBA whoever you want
to call it, you know, excellence whatever, longer than almost
(22:52):
anybody else has in the end, Like Jordan had a
shorter career with longer with bigger peaks, but when you
look at the longevity of it, you can't knock it
to me. So twenty one years of being like people
talked about Victor Webbin Yama is the best prospect since
Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
If that's the case, Victor's already behind schedule.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Now that's a guy we're talking about who's literally has
lived less years on this earth than Lebron James' NBA
career has eclipsed like that, But that's who they said,
it's supposed to be next up is Victor, right, Victor webernyem,
he's already behind schedule when you look at the numbers,
so like to me, Yeah, it shows that Jordan was
a prolific scorer, and it shows that Lebron also a
prolific scorer that played a lot longer.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, but there's more than just that. I get that
part of it.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
But also when you think about what Michael was able
to do in such a short of amount of time,
as what is impressive to me not the longevity, because
a lot of people say that that's part of Lebron's thing,
is you know, patting stats that the longer you play.
But here's here's my argument against longevity. If Lebron said,
(23:55):
just say, doesn't win another championship, correct, you're gonna give
me that.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Give me that he does and win another championship. Set
up your own hypothetical world.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Fine, Okay, some people don't want to do the hypothetical
when it's not in their favor.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I'm talking about when it's not Lebron's favor.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Would you look at him differently? He plays twenty four
NBA season with four championships. Do you see what I'm
saying the longer you play four championships isn't nearly as impressive.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
No, it's usually impressive because he individually is still playing
at a high level. When you look at him at
this age, he's still a top at the worst you
want to say, a top fifteen player in the NBA
right now today, on November twenty eighth, twenty twenty four,
he's the top what fifteen?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Does he have the same impact to winning, because that's
what I will. That's what I will.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
No, no, no, no, ask you that said, the top
fifteen player in the top twenty. All right, let's call
him seven, let's call him this one, let's call let's
call it this is top twenty.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
He's the seventeenth best players. Put them in between us. Okay,
all right, seventeenth best player in the NBA. He's supposed
to be you've donna's hasslm right now, he's supposed to
be LaMarcus Aldrids.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But like LaMarcus aldris in his last year.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Noose, he's not supposed to be sitting on the end
of no, no, those if he's playing at this age, no, no, no, that's.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
The difference No, it's not. It is those guys were
never that good. So that's why. So that's why.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
But that's why the longevity argument only matters for guys
who are never like once you hit a peak and
maintain said peak, or you hit a peak and you're
able to replicate a replicable fact simile of that peak
year after year after year after year after year.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I can't knock that.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
No, but nobody's knocking it. But what I'm trying to
say to you is, here's why it doesn't add up.
Because for him to play with the numbers that he's
putting up and to have Anthony Davis on his team,
and the only way the Lakers make the playoffs is
through to play in or they have to get like
they're not even a top eight team and they got
(25:50):
to go through.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Lebron was still top five, Like, no, he don't need
to be top five with Anthony David. Lebron was don't
need to be top five with Anthony day of that
stuff didn't matter because he was good enough to overcome it.
It's the same thing we were talking about in the
first hour with the Bears. Caleb Williams is not good
enough to overcome all of the dysfunction that is going
(26:11):
on around him, Joe Burrow at times, and justin that
he has been good enough to overcome historic uh just mismanagement.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
The Lakers are mismanaged franchise.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
If Lebron played, for example, the Spurs, Lebron play, hold
on the part of the mismanagement. No, yes, he is
a lot of the moves that they've made, well, then
that's their fault. That's not like, that's their fault because
you know what, the Miami he could have did the
same thing when Lebron went up there and talked to
(26:42):
pat Riley and said, you need to come coach this team.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Pat Riley, you know what he did.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
He said no, because he's the guy in charge. If
you want to count out to Lebron, that's your fault.
But that's your fault.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But they but you can't act like Lebron that you
say that mismanaged Lebron.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
And and uh and and and.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
His agency with Rich Paul, they have a lot of
say they made them draft Bronni on a roster spot.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I argue, no, no, it's not.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
It's not Lebron, it's the people that are supposed to
be running the organization. If for like in any walk
of life, it's the people that's supposed to be, you know,
enforcing or whatever doing their jobs.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
If somebody, for example, just let you come in whenever
you were.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Doing wanted to do your show, say I'll be there
at seven fifteen today, you know why because this is
when I want to come in. Is that your fault
or is that their management's fault for not doing something
about it?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Management?
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, But if you go and once you sign up
with Lebron, My point is that Lebron is the one
who has asked them or had them trade the younger players.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And the Lakers are the ones that did. They run
it very much still life, which is why they're poorly rich.
Don't you don't you rememberless too?
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Don't you remember when even when they want when he
wanted Russell Westbrook, I mean that was the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
They showed him that Genie bus wasn't as barbecue. It
was Russell Westbrook, Anthony Davis and Lebron. They had a
pow wow. And that's and then all of a sudden,
that's when it all happened. Is and I get it
because that they Lakers should not run their organization like
a mom and pop store.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
But guess what they are. They're a mom and pop store.
Like I said, poorly managed. But Lea has a part
of it. He's not. He's a GM, the facto GM.
Well he shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
That's again, you are making everything and are not Lebron
being the defect of being a facto JM and good
they are being.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
But you could be a de facto and be good
at it. He's bad at it, okay, but so good.
Jordan was an actual GM. He was bad at it.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
But here so that just goes to show you why
if Lebron was in a franchise that was more properly managed,
the winning would be different.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
No, he wouldn't be there because he wouldn't go to
it be. He wouldn't be there, would he. He he
was in Miami. Hempions Miami. But they didn't but they
didn't win. They won two, but they were supposed to
win seventh.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Okay, but they say you can't fundamentally say they did
not win when your next sentences say one.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
They didn't win, what's not how they were what they
expected them to win? You know that that was when
they came together for them to lose to that Dallas
Mavericks team and for them to only win two out
of four when they had a stacked team.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
So they won cent of available championships. But they didn't
win anything. No, they didn't do anything special. Shorts has
a sports, Shorts has a short, Shorts has a what sports?
You don't man, leave it alone.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I'm wondering if you do winning matters here, but it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Hey, but they only won two, but they should have
won seven. But did they win to even still Mac,
I'm not sure?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Eight seven seven ninety nine, the foks eight seven, seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
What's the question? Look at Royan in fact win two
championships in Miami.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Looking at stats, I mean, is it just the compiling
of number or does it have to have a context.
And all I'm saying is, yes, Lebron is going to
pass Michael Jordan in thirty point games.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
He only's behind by three.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
We already know that he's the leading point scorer in
NBA history.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
He went to the NBA.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Finals set, We got all that, But does it need
context for it to matter? And when I look at
the context and what Michael has done in such a
shorter amount of time. That gives me even more reason
to believe that, without question, Michael Jordan is the greatest
NBA player we've seen.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Where are You? Eight seven seven ninety nine?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
On Fox, it is the odd couple on the TV
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for Kelvin Washington. Right here on Fox Sports Radio, stick
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Speaker 2 (30:47):
Unless you're Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Winning two championships in the US of A.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
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Speaker 3 (31:04):
It is the odd couple on a TV theme song Thursday.
On this Thanksgiving night, what are you thankful for? We're
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Com the way tire buying should be. Guess what it's
time for? Shekel City? All right, here we go, Martin.
I was three and oh last night. My total is
now seventy eight seventy two and two. Man, what a comeback.
I was down big time, and I've been running off games.
I have now won that with six in a row
coming into today. Today the best bet I had the
(31:46):
Cowboys minus three and a half. That looks pretty good, right,
leading the Giants by fourteen with less than five minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
About the punt right now, we'll see how it ends.
Be quiet. I got this Wines recovering until they weren't.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
No, and I had the Bears plus ten, Bears plus ten.
I felt good about that all the way. I figured
the Lines will win. When it was sixteen nothing, I'm
sure people were like, oh, this's gonna be a thirty
nothing blowout, thirty two to nothing or whatever. So I
won that game as well. And then tonight I took
the Packers just the one. I hesitated a little bit,
but I took the Packers minus three and a half
(32:21):
at home against the Dolphins. I like the way the
Dolphins are playing in tour, but I still took the Packers.
So Packers minus three and a half. I got it
right with the Bears plus ten, and of course the
Cowboys minus three and a half. And remember Martin Wise,
I'm not telling you who to bet on. I'm telling
you who I bet on. And you know these were
all posted on social media before the games started.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
All right, Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
When I think of Thanksgiving, Martin, I just want to
get a quick little take from you and Chris usc
Chris and some of the other people if we have time.
But my mom was a great baker, and they they
used to call her Betty Crocker because she was such
a great baker.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And she used to.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Bake not only sweet potato pies for our family, but
for everybody, like at church in the neighborhood, like people
would be coming by my mom like it was like
a business for her, like a side hustle, side business. Sure,
and she once burnt out our stove, you know what
I mean, from baking so many pies or whatever. And
the smell of sweet potato pie in the house is
(33:24):
the memory I have with my mom a Thanksgiving on
how good her sweet potato pie. And then my niece today, Brandy,
who's in her thirties, she sent me a picture of
two sweet potato pies that she made.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
She used to watch my mom bake.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
My mom's deceased, she used to watch my mom bake
and whatnot and picked up the sweet Potato pie. So
that's my Thanksgiving memory of my mom.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
That's awesome, man.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
I'd say I'm thankful that the Lions are good because
I know a ton of people who have spent a
lot of time covering these teams, and we used to
do the same. Like I spent most of everything's Giving
between moving out of here watching the Lions play.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And it was a big.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Spread at the radio station I worked at. So I'm
glad that they're good because it was that much worse
watching them suck. Yeah, a lot of people wanted the
Lions going, Hey, usc Chris, you got a special shout out.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Yeah, if I can just do this real quick. My
aunt Ali, who's only more of an older cousin than me,
She's only like ten years older than me. She's been
trying to keep the family together, you know, cousins of
this age we all kind of drift apart. But she's
going through a masectomy this Monday. I just want to
shout out, I'm thankful for her. She's been going through
a lot, but she means the world to me, so
you know it, Loving.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Prayers, absolutely appreciate it, all right, our number two of
the odd Couple, and we're gonna talk about Lebron Lebron
and MJ Weirdest Ugly Head last night on TNT with
Charles Bark. You want to talk about that as we continue,
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