December 6, 2024 • 32 mins
Rob and Kelvin discuss whether the Detroit Lions will be able to overcome Dan Campbell's gambling ways in the postseason en route to a Super Bowl appearance, use Micah Parsons’ comments about Joe Burrow to discuss how much winning should factor in to a player’s MVP candidacy and debate whether Bill Belichick should take the North Carolina head coaching gig just so he can set up his son Stephen to be the head coach in-waiting.
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Lions get it done. They win thirty four to thirty one,
a latefield goal to iter game, and of course Lions
coach Dan Campbell's being talked about all day and there's
no way that we cannot address Dan Campbell either. And
I'm gonna say this right off the bat. Dan Campbell
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for as much credit and people are all excited about him,
I think he's a bad coach. And i think he's
worse than Brandon Staley when he was with the Chargers
who got fired. And I'm gonna tell you why. This
is not being provocative or or trying to change the
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game or having cajone's or whatever. This is reckless and
the reason I say he's a bad coach and ultimately
will wind up costing the Lions a chance at the
elusive trip to the super Bowl, or even a chance
to win it is because what he's doing is unnecessary
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and putting his team in harm's way. And it worked
out last night. Thank god. It wasn't college rules right,
because when Jeff, when Jared Goff fell but down, you know,
it would have been down for right. That would have
been it. He would have he would have been down
at that spot. And I'm just saying, you don't want
to do that if if you don't have to. Going
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forward fourth and one, inside the thirty, I read some
stat where no team had done it in twenty five years,
since two thousand, had that even been done. And again, guys,
who I understand Lions fans and you're one of them.
You love the guy because you endured all the terrible years. Okay,
I get it, and you're like, oh, they're on the
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cusp and this is the guy. He's unbelieve, he'd fearless
and this and that. But if you're really honest, Dan
Campbell cost you a trip to the super Bowl last
year with the chicanery and all of that, and he's
gonna do it again. He hasn't learned his lesson and
until he gets burned. If you remember, after the NFC
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Championship game last year, he told the team that he
probably cost him a trip and he don't know if
there's another trip. This is unnecessary. This is not Madden,
This is NFL football with jobs and careers and legacies
on the line. He can't keep doing this. Dan Campbell,
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I don't care what the results are. Is a bad
coach and worse than Brandon Staley. You know why Brandon
Staley didn't have a team that was had a chance
to win a Super Bowl. He was doing that nonsense
and it wound up costing him his job. But the
Lions have a really good team and a chance to
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win and the one week spot is Dan Campbell.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Okay, this is where you get in trouble, Robin.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
This is why I have to be here to protect
you and be there for you in times of need,
because you keep doing things like saying Patrick Mahomes is
Daniel Jones and now you're saying that Brandon Staley has
an earth to be mentioned in the same vein as
Dan Campbell, who has been what twenty four and six
in the last two seasons.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Don't forget the first two years.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Got to see well the first only on one O.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
The year before that, I mean that year that he
went and won what six seventh straight, and then now
we've been on this run.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
So if you want to add those two, he's been going.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
To add his entire career if you want to talk
about him, Dan Kim.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
But that's perfectly that's perfectly fine as well, because he
came in and he was struggling, like any coach setting
it to there's been stink of the Lions who's been
there for so long, and he came in and hit
it with some potpourri, hitt it with some for breeze,
and we've been off ever since. Now here's the thing.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and
hope and thinking, hoping for a different result. I think
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what he is doing works fine during the season, have
no problem with it. Aman Saint Brown says, I'm in
Ron Saint Brown says, we knew all the time we're
going forward and fourth out. That's just how we are.
It's our makeup, is how we're built. They're ready for it,
he said, We're ready for it every time. This is
what we do. Even he was a little shocked last night.
But they've been doing this since the dan kevill experiment
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has been begun, and it's worked and they've won, and
they've been dominant. Here's the difference, and here's where there
is some pause for concern. If you do not learn
from your mistakes and you keep thinking that you can
do the same things in the postseason, it's literally its
own new season, then I will have an issue. What
I mean is on a random Monday night, a random
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Thursday night like that last night, you got sixteen seventeen weeks,
seventeen games, Okay, you.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Can go for it.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
You can gamble, knowing if we were to lose, we
got plenty of time to make it up throughout the season.
Once you get in the postseason, it is literally a
new season, zero zero for all teams, and it is
a win or go home. So as long as he
has learned from his lesson it is mistake last year
and realizes each game, each quarter, really each drive is matters,
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and it's different in the postseason, I'm okay with that
because then he can continue to be who he is
mentally tough. This team fights hard, they play hard, They
fight through adversity, fight through mistakes and I love it,
but I'm banking on that he has learned from him
his mistake last season. It will make the adjustment needed
any postseason, not the regulation.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
You have no evidence that he's changed his stripes. What
evidence do you have that come to propason? What evidence
do you have? You have none. You're hoping, you're wishing
and you're praying, and you're saying last night was a
random Thursday night. No, the division is on the line.
Had the Packers won or Minnesota would have they would
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have drawn. If they lost that game drawn even with Minnesota,
that was an important game. That wasn't a throwaway game.
Where are you thinking that's a How is that a
random Thursday night?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
A way?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
That would have been hell to pay? And you would
have been screaming bloody murder last night and you could
see there all day, and everybody in NFL America would
say Dan Campbell is a bad coach.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Had that, first of all, nobody would say he's Nobody
would say he's a bad coach. You can't, you literally
cannot say he's a bad coach. It literally does not
make sense, does not add up nothing about Dan Kemble's
a bad coach. Now, what you can say is all
coaches have their issues. Some guys can't scheme up on
offense enough. Some guys can't get their team to be
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disciplined and stop making penalties and mental errors. Every coach
has their falls. But you cannot ever say Dan Kemble's
a bad coach. Nothing about his tenure. Has he quit
it to.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Bad coach in.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Season last season where he had one game, you're acting
as if he didn't win all these other games to
get there. Let's not act like he did all of
a sudden. He's just been zero and six in the postseason. Now,
what I'm saying is this has been the makeup of
the team. This has been what they do. They go
for it. They go they they'll run the ball no
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matter what what other teams won't. They'll push through injuries,
no matter what. This is who they are, their mental makeup.
They go for it. They don't care who's what. And
we're not gonna, oh, we're up twenty on this bad team.
We'll take their foot off the gas. They beat you
by forty or fifty points. This is what he does.
And I'm okay with that as long as you get
into the postseason and realize, Okay, now I have to
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make adjustments because it's win or go home, and that's different.
That's a different thing. We did what we did to
get here. We'll do what we do, but we'll make
adjustments as need be. That is a sign of a
great coach, and if he wants to become a great coach,
he will do that in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
As other coaches have done.
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Speaker 3 (08:49):
Michael Parsons and his this was just comments. This is
one of those podcasts, right, I just was an interview
and he was saying that Joe Burrow, the Cincinnati Bengals quarterback,
is his MVP. Uh and let's take a listen.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
If Joe Burrow is his record is opposite, He'll be
the lead and runner for m v P.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
You know what I'm saying. So I still think he
should be the m v P.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
I mean he's leaving passing yards, passing touchdowns the year
he's having like Joe Burrow, l s U.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I think this is what a healthy Joe Burrow looks like.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Uh so that was just like Rob g just to
he was being interviewed in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
They're playing each other on Monday night, so they were
just asking about and he's like, yeah, you know Burrow,
miambb okay, yeah, Dak was what he said about Dak before.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Said he mentioned the top ten quarterbacks and.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
They mentioned Dak and then there was some other stuff.
He's all over the map. But anyway, uh where are you?
I'll let you go first on the idea yeacause because
I think he there's a big miss that he's somebody
I wish would have asked him about.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But go ahead, Well, the bigger I think the bigger
question is to ask salves Riders, anybody is you know,
are you okay giving an MVP to someone specifically in
football and basketball, because baseball is kind of a unique
sport where you know, winning is a little bit different,
but where they're not winning, and we just don't see
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that often at all, really, and I've only I'm looking
it up and I'm thinking the only time we've seen
this in football was a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You gotta go way way way back.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You gotta Go nineteen sixty seven with the Baltimore Colts
Johnny Unitis and also the nineteen seventy three Buffalo Bills
with OJ Simpson.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
So this is something that along the way.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
OJ set the rushing record, like right.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Exactly he did, he did something remarkable.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So you have to go so far back, like I mentioned,
fifty plus years to get it in sence where NFL
MVP was someone with a losing record.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
That's just not how we do things in any sport.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And you've seen it even in the NBA, where you
don't see it that often either. You know, you had
one time where Russell Westbrook got it, but he was
like an eight seventh eighth seed and they're like, it
was a sixth seed, and that's one of the first
times we've ever seen that too. So we equate MVP
with your team is winning and you have to be
top three team in your conference, in your league, and
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that's just how we do it now to be fair.
Every ever, so often we get an instance where you
may want to change the rule, look at it and
be like, you know what, Jerry west winning an NBA
Finals MVP, even though.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It's teaching long as a mistake can never happen again.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
That was it never happened again.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But if you I'm using it as an example of
kind of this anomaly or something that hasn't happened in
a very long time, you can make a case for
Joe Burrow in that the man literally is saying what
more can I do? What more do you want from me?
He is looking at his stats is remarkable. What he's
doing right now. He's that thirty touchdown passes we've seen
him throw youe we mentioned all the time, and the
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three games spanning had fifteen touchdown passes and two of
those games were losses.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
So it's hard to say he hasn't been the MVP.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
He just the number that matters most is eight and
that's how many losses he has.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Four and eight. So he ain't gonna win it.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
But if there was ever a case where, for you know,
someone was to say, hey man, I'm just going by
who looked the best when I watched him play, I
can see somebody saying him but he ain't gonna win it,
because that's just not how we equate the thing.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Well, my here's my issue is when he played Lamar, like,
if you're gonna talk about that Lamar's teams giving up
gave up Joe Burrow nine touchdowns in two games. Right yeah, okay,
so so so Lamar could use the same excuse of
look how terrible my defense is. But guess what they
won those two games because of Lamar. So so if
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you were to just look at that head to head
and you're using the defense as an excuse for why
Joe Burrow hasn't won, But why wouldn't you use that
for the Ravens in their defense, or the Ravens and
their kicker who has missed so many field goals in
games that they've lost this year, as a reason or
example why you Sho should vote for Lamar as MVP.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
No, that's a fair case, and we've talked about it.
Lamar for the most part, hasn't cost his team a game.
In fact, they've cost him. You mentioned the kick, and
you mentioned the defense.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
We even talked about his three interceptions that all hit
receivers and bounced off of him.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
There have been a few plays you left he left
to be desired. You would have won it out there.
But you can't pinpoint and say they lost because of Lamar.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
In an instant. So he's been outstanding.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
But it is a conversation, you know that can't somebody
be great in a team sport and not have the
team's success.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Sure, but they'd have to be like oj They'd have
to have some sort of what they set a record.
If you told me that Joe Burrow threw for seventy
five touchdowns yep, and they and they had a losing record,
Joe Burrow will be the MVP, Like, Yeah, it'd have
to be something of that ILK where you set some
unbelievable record that hadn't been done in fifty years and
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you played and did everything like like, that's the only
situation to me that could change that. It is about winning.
The reason that we play. We talk about it. Sports
has a short menu when it when it works for me,
Sports has a short menu.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
When days says that, I'm just I'm so glad you
said that.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Kansas Kansas City Chiefs rolling around that grave right now,
listening to you saying that even.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Eleven and one and you don't even want to talk
about it, Lions running around twelve and one, you don't
want to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
No, But Joe Burrow, Look, he leaves the NFL and
passing yards, passing touchdowns. Uh, he's been spectacular. Third and
touchdown interception ratio with thirty and five, I mean fourth
and passerrati. He has been spectacular and you feel bad,
huh fourth Yeah, and they lost some games. But to
me to to you have to be doing something special.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Allah.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
You mentioned Oj Sampson Russian record, Allah Russell Westbrook and
remember he averaged a triple double for a season and
we hadn't seen that before.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And you know, here's another demerit for for Joe. His
team is so bad the defense and they're down big
all the time that all he does is have to
throw like they give you cushion to allow you to
throw the football right because you can't.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
No, they're not down big though he be nom he
be leading in some games. You know, he's throwing some
stuff and it it's just they can't keep it.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Their defense is really bad. I'd have to look at
some of the games, but I'm saying, you know, you
can't run the football when your defense can't stop anym.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Look, look, everybody is gonna be hard pressed. Josh Allen
has a very valid case. Saquan has a very valid case,
but again, when I just watched If I Fail for
Mars and you showed me this is the game of football,
and you showed me a few games and I saw
that dude quarterback in the Baltimore Ravens, I would be like, man,
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he looks a little different than everybody else right now.
I ain't gonna speak on the whole time in history,
but daggon this year, he looks different.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
So I mean, it's hard for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Isn't surpassing the competition enough right now for me to
just say, let's do something historic.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
But it is an.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Interesting conversation because again, if it's the NBA, if it's football,
may again baseball is a little bit different. But where
can I be My team be a eight seed in
the NBA and I get an MVP, or does I
have to be? I hate when they do that in NBA, goes, well,
who's the number one seed?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Okay, who's the best player on the number one seed? Okay,
well that's your MVP.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I hate that because sometimes it's not the case the
team's well rounded, they got something going on good, Like,
for instance, if it were this year, Jason Tatum doesn't
have to be the MVP just because his team is
the leading team of the East and he's the best
player in it. Like, no, if there's somebody else balling out,
like you know, if it's Luca, if it's Kyrie, if
it's Jokis or something who might be four to fifth,
sixth seed, that doesn't mean they can't win it to me,
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So I'm not a big fan of that.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
But Joe Burrows four and eight is terrible.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
If people sit here, maybe six and six you can
all right, all right, he's in the mix.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
A little bit. Four and eight. You just can't do it.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Rob, g you got something.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
No, it's just a question because Rob's made it very
clear that he thinks Lamar Jackson is the MVP, and
be based mostly on statistics. It's all his numbers are
so out of this world in your opinion, that he's
the MVP. Kelvin has said on the show, as I
think on Monday that Josh Allen it's his to lose
because not they're the winning, right, and he's the only
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guy that anyone really knows about. They don't have a
thousand receiver, they don't have a tremendous running back like
a Saquon Barkley and it's he's winning. Derrick Henry, Yeah,
it's just because of him. So in this situation, you're
just talking about the quarterbacks. It's really coming down to
the numbers versus the wins. So if you're saying, Rob,
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you gotta win to get this MVP, like, at what
point do you say, hey, Lamar has lost too much
for need to consider it.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Well, I mean, if they make the playoffs, if they
win ten games, I mean whenn't that So ten and
seven for you is okay?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Is enough?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I mean, like, yeah, if you have ten wins and
he has the numbers that are like crazy and he
leads in every category. So if Joe Burrow is eight
and nine, now they got a losing record and they
didn't make the playoffs, I just like, like, to me,
if you'd have to be extra special to say, where
where do you draw the line? Like like making like
making the playoffs unless you set some sort of records
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like eight nine wouldn't do anything for me as as
m VP. He would have to have just thats would
have to be so much better than everybody in order
to make that case. That's all. And I'm not saying
I don't know how many games? How many games do
the Ravens have left? So four?
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I think it's four? Is it still lamar?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I don't. I don't know what numbers that he put
up in those games or you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I mean his pace is way better than it was
a year ago. He got three interceptions. He's gonna wind
up say he has forty touchdowns and uh eight on
the ground. I don't know how many does he have?
Five or six? But you know, yeah, you know what
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I mean. If he stays on that pace and you
look at the numbers and he's leading in quarterback rating
and all these other.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Sophie finishes forty five touchdowns and eight turnovers, that's a lot.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, you know, I'd have to look at the other
people then, you know what I'm saying. That's what I'm
trying to understand.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
I have to look at where do you draw the
line between numbers are so great, his numbers have to
be ever versus Josh Allen, whose numbers are not going
to be that great, right, but he's going to have
the narrative behind him and the winning I.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Don't know, we saw this before, and sometimes like degree
of difficulty. We saw that with the Tom Brady and
Aaron Rodgers MVP. Brady had had better numbers, not way better,
but he had better numbers. You remember, Chris was the
one who was saying Brady should win and it was
a whitewash. Aaron Rodgers won easily, but there were those
signature wins. Remember he went to Arizona when they were
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undefeated and he won a couple of the big games
that I think people looked at so primetime game. So
it depends. Last year. I thought that Lamar woned win
Christmas Night against brock Party right when he destroyed the
forty nine ers on the road. Do you remember everybody
was like, oh, Brock's the MVP. And it wasn't even
close after that game, So something like that could happen.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, No, I think that I get with Rob g
the question becomes, you know, and we all have to
kind of do this year by year.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Is it just the record?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Because again, what if the Lions don't win again and
don't lose again and they're sitting there at sixteen and one,
are people gonna go it's gotta be Jared Goff's because
they're sixteen to one and he's put up good numbers,
maybe not great, and that's what where we all still
don't know the answer to the MVP. Is it just
flat out the best player Michael Jordan for all those years.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
We haven't seen it, but it hasn't been that.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I mean, right, that's what I mean. So it becomes like, well,
what does it mean to you?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
A vote?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Just what they mean to you in baseball.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I think it's a cop vote. I think it's a
com Yeah. I just think it's a combination. To me,
you gotta win, like make the playoffs or be you
can't be an also ran team playing games that don't matter.
I think that it's different.
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Speaker 3 (21:23):
All right, let's go here. We talked about this Kelvin
Bill Belichick and the job at North Carolina not a
football school, and that now, Rob g what are the
reports are that?
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Oh, we got a lot of reports coming down, So
I mean, here it is. We all heard yesterday that
he had met with North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I remember I was questioning.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Everybody was like, Robinson, one of the most respected NFL
reporters in the game right now, it was like, look,
we all know what this is. It's levery for him
to get back in the league. Just show that his
name is hot. Yeah, yeada, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
We were like what.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Well, today that story has taken not one but two
turns Yarns, one of them being Albert Bereersports Dealership, another
very plugged in reporter, Yes, said, oh, the UNC thing
is real. That and it's not just that it's UNC.
It's that Bill Belichick wants to return to coaching so
badly next season that he's open to both college and
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the NFL. Obviously he prefers the NFL, but he wants
to get back on the sidelines somewhere. Flash forward a
few hours and The Guardian is reporting that the reason
why UNC specifically is so appealing to Bill Belichick it's
not because they got a great football program. It's not
because he expects to dominate college football the same way
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he dominated the NFL. It's because part of the agreement
would be if he takes that job with the dar
Heels that his son Steve Belichick would be on the
staff and become the head coach in waiting for North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Is this on it is?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Bill Belichick. Do not do this?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
It would be the biggest mistake of his career. And
his son should step up and say, Dad, don't do this.
Bill Belichick has a chance to have the most wins
in the history of the NFL. It's within his grasp.
He should not be taking some college job to make
sure that his son gets the job after he's done.
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Let his son earn his own way as a head
coach in the NFL. This is bad, This would be dumb,
It would be terrible. Bill Belichick belongs in the NFL.
Bill Belichick belongs having a shot at capping off his
great career, even though he cheated, and even though I
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wouldn't vote for him right away on the Hall of
Fame if at all. But I'm talking about the numbers
and what he's accomplished to do this to get your
kids some job, it's at North Carolina. That's the only
way your kid's gonna make Really, how does that feel
good for the kid of the sun?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (24:07):
The only reason I got the job. And as soon
as Bill is out of the picture and the son loses,
the school will run him out of there. I mean,
come on, this is not the way we should be
going about it. This should not be lebron and Bronni
and the only way his kid could get a head coach.
And what does he rob g a defensive coordinator somewhere.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
He's a defensive coordinator for the University of Washington. Again,
he was on the staff in New England with Belick.
That's nepotism, not a nepotism. It's ramping all over the NFL.
We know that. But this would be a mistake. I'm
totally against this. It's wrong. And the kid.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
If I would if that was my dad who was
trying to help me out, I would say, Dad, please
do not hurt your legacy or not finish your legacy
by trying to help me get a job at North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
All right, here's where you're wrong. Let me help you out.
Nobody knows who's the league leader in most of these
The all time winning is manager in baseball.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I don't know. All time winning is coach in NBAH,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
All I do know is Phil Jackson is one of
the greatest coaches all time. Popovich is one of the
greatest of all time. If you want to go pat
Riley is one of the all time. Who's the best
NFL coach all time? Bill Belichick? Whether he was one
more game, zero more games, or one hunting more games, we.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Already know that.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So the identity has to come back to be the
all time leader. It would be great in a utopian
Hallmark Disney type of way, sure, but if it don't happen,
it didn't change his legacy at all. The best running back,
a lot of people say, is Barry Sanders.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
You know what he didn't do.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You and I were talking about it yesterday off the air.
He didn't come back and finish the deal and become
the all time leading rusher. But if you ask a
lot of former NFL players who's the best running back,
they'll say Barry Sanders.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
So I get your cinnament, And I really do understand that.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
In the perfect world, why not get that accomplish But
he's already accomplished with matter most. He won a bunch
of games, and he won most importantly those Super Bowl titles,
so I think he's securing that. And also, listen, man,
and you had a perfect world, I understand where nepotism
doesn't have to exist, or these opportunities are your dad's
best friend from college giving you a chance. But that's
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the way this world works, and it ain't What you
know is who you know. You know that, I know that.
And so if his dad goes over there, he joins
the staff, and Bill sets the culture, sets the team up,
kind of sets the identity, and then says, here, kid,
here's the keys to the kingdom. That happens all the
time in real life bankers, people who own their own
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body shops, mechanics. You know, I just had law firms. Here, son, here, daughter,
here's the key to the law firm. So I don't
have a problem with it. And I definitely would actually
got to be an interesting and more heartwarming way for
him to end his career, to go to the Jets
or the Giants and win the most wins ever. But
did it by being five and twelve two years in
a and it just end up being ugly.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I couldn't. I just totally disagree with you, and and
nepotism is bad at all levels. I don't care. It
just is, and I know it goes on. I'm not
naive to it. But when people own their own business
or family business, that don't look at that as nepotism. Okay,
If you own the store, your family's gonna work there
and your kids, that's not nepotism. If I started the
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law firm, that's not nepotism. I own it. Okay. If
Bill Belichick does not own North Carolina all right, does
not own the university, that's not his. And that's what's
wrong when you start to do things like that. So
I totally disagree with Jerry Jones owns the Dallas Cowboys.
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He owns the Dallas Cowboys. He has a right to
have his kids work there. He what he doesn't have
a right is to have his kid on the team.
And that's why he's never done that. That's what he
hasn't done. And buying that that and anyway, what respect
would his kid what's his kid's name, Steven, Steve, What
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respect would he get knowing he came in through the
back door and that's that's where he is. That's what
that's what Brownie has to face. That's the same thing
that has been pushed down on Brownie and now the
guy he can't do anything wrong and Rob g jump in. Well,
we got more.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
As an update to this, the same reporter, Allie Connolly
for The Guardian added more to this story just since
we started doing this this topic. In addition to Steve
Belichick would be on the staff as head coaching waiting.
Additional staff members would inclue you'll love this the pencil
Matt Patricia and Ben McDaniels, who is the brother of
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longtime Patriots offensive coordinators.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
This is what I'm saying. Really, North Carolina is dis desperate,
They're they're not winning anything. Really, you're gonna let Bill
Belichick come and just cash out all of his family
and friends. How disgraceful that is.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
I was in it.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I was all right with it till you said, Matt Patricia,
you had me at my son and some heartwarming ending
to my coaching career.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I was alright with that.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Then you just brought up Matt patricea first of all,
robb G, Why would you do that after my lions
won again? As you know, my favorite song is when
you know I have PTSD from them getting rid of
GYM callwell from Matt Patricia. Why would you bring that up?
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Robb G?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
How dare you interrupt my Friday, that me and Robert
feeling good on this funky flashback Friday. You want to
go there to do not ruin my weekend? Like Matt
Patricia walking around with a number two pencil with a
laminated scure sheet and an iPad.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
What you got a pencil for?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Matt Patricia walking around with a grizzly old beard. Don't
give me, man, don't get me started on him.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
But by the way, you see you try to say
credit for this current Lions team. I know you know
special foundation, you know from the offensive Quinn awful.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Oh my gosh, Matt Patricia, go away, go coach a
high school I don't even know where state he's from.
Go back to that state and go coach a high
school football team there.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
And I'm sure you'd be great at that. Fine, but
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Again, before I knew that info, you know, before Rob
g hit us with that again, sticking on his son,
I had no problem with that in the sense of
that happens all the time. You got Kyle Shanahan, you know,
he got a hand up from his dad. It happens
all the time. You got Lane Kiffin from his dad,
And just did you coaching coaching might be the worst
nepotism in any thing we got right now in sport,
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I mean coaches throw more allyops in to their They
are the walking Jason kids and Chris Paul's with all
the alliups. They throw Gary Payton and Sean Kent with
the aliops. In the NFL, I mean, they're is rampant
with sons who are assisting this coaching that team manager.
Until I can find you. You're over our highlighted the
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highlight film. You go cut the tapes that it is
all in there.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, but we know that. But I don't think his
son should should allow his dad to give up. The
legacy does matter? We know a change he can ask
its change. Just the idea that when they make your
plaque and they put you in the Hall of Fame
or that you're the all time winning coach, I think
that that does mean something. It's so fine that he
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won six super Bowls and that's good, but you play
and you would the all time winning coach, something that
probably wouldn't even happen the way. Coaches don't get to
stick around that long anymore, especially without winning. That's all
I'm saying. And I just think that's not the way.
I wouldn't want my job to be at the cost
of my dad's legacy. That's all. If Bill Belichick was
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a hundred wins away, then fine, have at it if
that's the way you want to get in. But he's
within striking distance the.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Same as the most wins of all time as a coach,
Don Shula, who has the most in the NBA. I
don't know, nobody can't like if if he wins, that
on the plaque doesn't change what he did and what
we all know and the.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Run he had. Like I said, in a perfect world,
I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
But to me, if I get a chance to prop
up help my son and that be my legacy, I'd
pick more pride that.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Because what's done it, that's your legacy. If he was
getting younger than me, if he was getting a job
at Alabama, maybe maybe if.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
You that's how you get to Alabama, you can work
your way.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
To Alabama, then maybe I'll look at it.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Really, that's how you get to Alabama. Go way in
North Carolina for two or three years and then you
get there. That's how you get there.
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Lions get it done. They win thirty four to thirty one,
a latefield goal to iter game, and of course Lions
coach Dan Campbell's being talked about all day and there's
no way that we cannot address Dan Campbell either. And
I'm gonna say this right off the bat. Dan Campbell
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for as much credit and people are all excited about him,
I think he's a bad coach. And i think he's
worse than Brandon Staley when he was with the Chargers
who got fired. And I'm gonna tell you why. This
is not being provocative or or trying to change the
(01:18):
game or having cajone's or whatever. This is reckless and
the reason I say he's a bad coach and ultimately
will wind up costing the Lions a chance at the
elusive trip to the super Bowl, or even a chance
to win it is because what he's doing is unnecessary
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and putting his team in harm's way. And it worked
out last night. Thank god. It wasn't college rules right,
because when Jeff, when Jared Goff fell but down, you know,
it would have been down for right. That would have
been it. He would have he would have been down
at that spot. And I'm just saying, you don't want
to do that if if you don't have to. Going
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forward fourth and one, inside the thirty, I read some
stat where no team had done it in twenty five years,
since two thousand, had that even been done. And again, guys,
who I understand Lions fans and you're one of them.
You love the guy because you endured all the terrible years. Okay,
I get it, and you're like, oh, they're on the
(02:23):
cusp and this is the guy. He's unbelieve, he'd fearless
and this and that. But if you're really honest, Dan
Campbell cost you a trip to the super Bowl last
year with the chicanery and all of that, and he's
gonna do it again. He hasn't learned his lesson and
until he gets burned. If you remember, after the NFC
(02:46):
Championship game last year, he told the team that he
probably cost him a trip and he don't know if
there's another trip. This is unnecessary. This is not Madden,
This is NFL football with jobs and careers and legacies
on the line. He can't keep doing this. Dan Campbell,
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I don't care what the results are. Is a bad
coach and worse than Brandon Staley. You know why Brandon
Staley didn't have a team that was had a chance
to win a Super Bowl. He was doing that nonsense
and it wound up costing him his job. But the
Lions have a really good team and a chance to
(03:28):
win and the one week spot is Dan Campbell.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Okay, this is where you get in trouble, Robin.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
This is why I have to be here to protect
you and be there for you in times of need,
because you keep doing things like saying Patrick Mahomes is
Daniel Jones and now you're saying that Brandon Staley has
an earth to be mentioned in the same vein as
Dan Campbell, who has been what twenty four and six
in the last two seasons.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Don't forget the first two years.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Got to see well the first only on one O.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
The year before that, I mean that year that he
went and won what six seventh straight, and then now
we've been on this run.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
So if you want to add those two, he's been going.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
To add his entire career if you want to talk
about him, Dan Kim.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
But that's perfectly that's perfectly fine as well, because he
came in and he was struggling, like any coach setting
it to there's been stink of the Lions who's been
there for so long, and he came in and hit
it with some potpourri, hitt it with some for breeze,
and we've been off ever since. Now here's the thing.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and
hope and thinking, hoping for a different result. I think
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what he is doing works fine during the season, have
no problem with it. Aman Saint Brown says, I'm in
Ron Saint Brown says, we knew all the time we're
going forward and fourth out. That's just how we are.
It's our makeup, is how we're built. They're ready for it,
he said, We're ready for it every time. This is
what we do. Even he was a little shocked last night.
But they've been doing this since the dan kevill experiment
(04:59):
has been begun, and it's worked and they've won, and
they've been dominant. Here's the difference, and here's where there
is some pause for concern. If you do not learn
from your mistakes and you keep thinking that you can
do the same things in the postseason, it's literally its
own new season, then I will have an issue. What
I mean is on a random Monday night, a random
(05:20):
Thursday night like that last night, you got sixteen seventeen weeks,
seventeen games, Okay, you.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Can go for it.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
You can gamble, knowing if we were to lose, we
got plenty of time to make it up throughout the season.
Once you get in the postseason, it is literally a
new season, zero zero for all teams, and it is
a win or go home. So as long as he
has learned from his lesson it is mistake last year
and realizes each game, each quarter, really each drive is matters,
(05:49):
and it's different in the postseason, I'm okay with that
because then he can continue to be who he is
mentally tough. This team fights hard, they play hard, They
fight through adversity, fight through mistakes and I love it,
but I'm banking on that he has learned from him
his mistake last season. It will make the adjustment needed
any postseason, not the regulation.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
You have no evidence that he's changed his stripes. What
evidence do you have that come to propason? What evidence
do you have? You have none. You're hoping, you're wishing
and you're praying, and you're saying last night was a
random Thursday night. No, the division is on the line.
Had the Packers won or Minnesota would have they would
(06:33):
have drawn. If they lost that game drawn even with Minnesota,
that was an important game. That wasn't a throwaway game.
Where are you thinking that's a How is that a
random Thursday night?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
A way?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
That would have been hell to pay? And you would
have been screaming bloody murder last night and you could
see there all day, and everybody in NFL America would
say Dan Campbell is a bad coach.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Had that, first of all, nobody would say he's Nobody
would say he's a bad coach. You can't, you literally
cannot say he's a bad coach. It literally does not
make sense, does not add up nothing about Dan Kemble's
a bad coach. Now, what you can say is all
coaches have their issues. Some guys can't scheme up on
offense enough. Some guys can't get their team to be
(07:20):
disciplined and stop making penalties and mental errors. Every coach
has their falls. But you cannot ever say Dan Kemble's
a bad coach. Nothing about his tenure. Has he quit
it to.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Bad coach in.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Season last season where he had one game, you're acting
as if he didn't win all these other games to
get there. Let's not act like he did all of
a sudden. He's just been zero and six in the postseason. Now,
what I'm saying is this has been the makeup of
the team. This has been what they do. They go
for it. They go they they'll run the ball no
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matter what what other teams won't. They'll push through injuries,
no matter what. This is who they are, their mental makeup.
They go for it. They don't care who's what. And
we're not gonna, oh, we're up twenty on this bad team.
We'll take their foot off the gas. They beat you
by forty or fifty points. This is what he does.
And I'm okay with that as long as you get
into the postseason and realize, Okay, now I have to
(08:17):
make adjustments because it's win or go home, and that's different.
That's a different thing. We did what we did to
get here. We'll do what we do, but we'll make
adjustments as need be. That is a sign of a
great coach, and if he wants to become a great coach,
he will do that in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
As other coaches have done.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
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Speaker 3 (08:49):
Michael Parsons and his this was just comments. This is
one of those podcasts, right, I just was an interview
and he was saying that Joe Burrow, the Cincinnati Bengals quarterback,
is his MVP. Uh and let's take a listen.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
If Joe Burrow is his record is opposite, He'll be
the lead and runner for m v P.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
You know what I'm saying. So I still think he
should be the m v P.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
I mean he's leaving passing yards, passing touchdowns the year
he's having like Joe Burrow, l s U.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I think this is what a healthy Joe Burrow looks like.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Uh so that was just like Rob g just to
he was being interviewed in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
They're playing each other on Monday night, so they were
just asking about and he's like, yeah, you know Burrow,
miambb okay, yeah, Dak was what he said about Dak before.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Said he mentioned the top ten quarterbacks and.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
They mentioned Dak and then there was some other stuff.
He's all over the map. But anyway, uh where are you?
I'll let you go first on the idea yeacause because
I think he there's a big miss that he's somebody
I wish would have asked him about.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But go ahead, Well, the bigger I think the bigger
question is to ask salves Riders, anybody is you know,
are you okay giving an MVP to someone specifically in
football and basketball, because baseball is kind of a unique
sport where you know, winning is a little bit different,
but where they're not winning, and we just don't see
(10:16):
that often at all, really, and I've only I'm looking
it up and I'm thinking the only time we've seen
this in football was a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You gotta go way way way back.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You gotta Go nineteen sixty seven with the Baltimore Colts
Johnny Unitis and also the nineteen seventy three Buffalo Bills
with OJ Simpson.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
So this is something that along the way.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
OJ set the rushing record, like right.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Exactly he did, he did something remarkable.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So you have to go so far back, like I mentioned,
fifty plus years to get it in sence where NFL
MVP was someone with a losing record.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
That's just not how we do things in any sport.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And you've seen it even in the NBA, where you
don't see it that often either. You know, you had
one time where Russell Westbrook got it, but he was
like an eight seventh eighth seed and they're like, it
was a sixth seed, and that's one of the first
times we've ever seen that too. So we equate MVP
with your team is winning and you have to be
top three team in your conference, in your league, and
(11:15):
that's just how we do it now to be fair.
Every ever, so often we get an instance where you
may want to change the rule, look at it and
be like, you know what, Jerry west winning an NBA
Finals MVP, even though.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It's teaching long as a mistake can never happen again.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
That was it never happened again.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But if you I'm using it as an example of
kind of this anomaly or something that hasn't happened in
a very long time, you can make a case for
Joe Burrow in that the man literally is saying what
more can I do? What more do you want from me?
He is looking at his stats is remarkable. What he's
doing right now. He's that thirty touchdown passes we've seen
him throw youe we mentioned all the time, and the
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three games spanning had fifteen touchdown passes and two of
those games were losses.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
So it's hard to say he hasn't been the MVP.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
He just the number that matters most is eight and
that's how many losses he has.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Four and eight. So he ain't gonna win it.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
But if there was ever a case where, for you know,
someone was to say, hey man, I'm just going by
who looked the best when I watched him play, I
can see somebody saying him but he ain't gonna win it,
because that's just not how we equate the thing.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Well, my here's my issue is when he played Lamar, like,
if you're gonna talk about that Lamar's teams giving up
gave up Joe Burrow nine touchdowns in two games. Right yeah, okay,
so so so Lamar could use the same excuse of
look how terrible my defense is. But guess what they
won those two games because of Lamar. So so if
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you were to just look at that head to head
and you're using the defense as an excuse for why
Joe Burrow hasn't won, But why wouldn't you use that
for the Ravens in their defense, or the Ravens and
their kicker who has missed so many field goals in
games that they've lost this year, as a reason or
example why you Sho should vote for Lamar as MVP.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
No, that's a fair case, and we've talked about it.
Lamar for the most part, hasn't cost his team a game.
In fact, they've cost him. You mentioned the kick, and
you mentioned the defense.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
We even talked about his three interceptions that all hit
receivers and bounced off of him.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
There have been a few plays you left he left
to be desired. You would have won it out there.
But you can't pinpoint and say they lost because of Lamar.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
In an instant. So he's been outstanding.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
But it is a conversation, you know that can't somebody
be great in a team sport and not have the
team's success.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Sure, but they'd have to be like oj They'd have
to have some sort of what they set a record.
If you told me that Joe Burrow threw for seventy
five touchdowns yep, and they and they had a losing record,
Joe Burrow will be the MVP, Like, Yeah, it'd have
to be something of that ILK where you set some
unbelievable record that hadn't been done in fifty years and
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you played and did everything like like, that's the only
situation to me that could change that. It is about winning.
The reason that we play. We talk about it. Sports
has a short menu when it when it works for me,
Sports has a short menu.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
When days says that, I'm just I'm so glad you
said that.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Kansas Kansas City Chiefs rolling around that grave right now,
listening to you saying that even.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Eleven and one and you don't even want to talk
about it, Lions running around twelve and one, you don't
want to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
No, But Joe Burrow, Look, he leaves the NFL and
passing yards, passing touchdowns. Uh, he's been spectacular. Third and
touchdown interception ratio with thirty and five, I mean fourth
and passerrati. He has been spectacular and you feel bad,
huh fourth Yeah, and they lost some games. But to
me to to you have to be doing something special.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Allah.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
You mentioned Oj Sampson Russian record, Allah Russell Westbrook and
remember he averaged a triple double for a season and
we hadn't seen that before.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And you know, here's another demerit for for Joe. His
team is so bad the defense and they're down big
all the time that all he does is have to
throw like they give you cushion to allow you to
throw the football right because you can't.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
No, they're not down big though he be nom he
be leading in some games. You know, he's throwing some
stuff and it it's just they can't keep it.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Their defense is really bad. I'd have to look at
some of the games, but I'm saying, you know, you
can't run the football when your defense can't stop anym.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Look, look, everybody is gonna be hard pressed. Josh Allen
has a very valid case. Saquan has a very valid case,
but again, when I just watched If I Fail for
Mars and you showed me this is the game of football,
and you showed me a few games and I saw
that dude quarterback in the Baltimore Ravens, I would be like, man,
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he looks a little different than everybody else right now.
I ain't gonna speak on the whole time in history,
but daggon this year, he looks different.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
So I mean, it's hard for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Isn't surpassing the competition enough right now for me to
just say, let's do something historic.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
But it is an.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Interesting conversation because again, if it's the NBA, if it's football,
may again baseball is a little bit different. But where
can I be My team be a eight seed in
the NBA and I get an MVP, or does I
have to be? I hate when they do that in NBA, goes, well,
who's the number one seed?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Okay, who's the best player on the number one seed? Okay,
well that's your MVP.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I hate that because sometimes it's not the case the
team's well rounded, they got something going on good, Like,
for instance, if it were this year, Jason Tatum doesn't
have to be the MVP just because his team is
the leading team of the East and he's the best
player in it. Like, no, if there's somebody else balling out,
like you know, if it's Luca, if it's Kyrie, if
it's Jokis or something who might be four to fifth,
sixth seed, that doesn't mean they can't win it to me,
(16:52):
So I'm not a big fan of that.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
But Joe Burrows four and eight is terrible.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
If people sit here, maybe six and six you can
all right, all right, he's in the mix.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
A little bit. Four and eight. You just can't do it.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Rob, g you got something.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
No, it's just a question because Rob's made it very
clear that he thinks Lamar Jackson is the MVP, and
be based mostly on statistics. It's all his numbers are
so out of this world in your opinion, that he's
the MVP. Kelvin has said on the show, as I
think on Monday that Josh Allen it's his to lose
because not they're the winning, right, and he's the only
(17:27):
guy that anyone really knows about. They don't have a
thousand receiver, they don't have a tremendous running back like
a Saquon Barkley and it's he's winning. Derrick Henry, Yeah,
it's just because of him. So in this situation, you're
just talking about the quarterbacks. It's really coming down to
the numbers versus the wins. So if you're saying, Rob,
(17:47):
you gotta win to get this MVP, like, at what
point do you say, hey, Lamar has lost too much
for need to consider it.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Well, I mean, if they make the playoffs, if they
win ten games, I mean whenn't that So ten and
seven for you is okay?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Is enough?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I mean, like, yeah, if you have ten wins and
he has the numbers that are like crazy and he
leads in every category. So if Joe Burrow is eight
and nine, now they got a losing record and they
didn't make the playoffs, I just like, like, to me,
if you'd have to be extra special to say, where
where do you draw the line? Like like making like
making the playoffs unless you set some sort of records
(18:22):
like eight nine wouldn't do anything for me as as
m VP. He would have to have just thats would
have to be so much better than everybody in order
to make that case. That's all. And I'm not saying
I don't know how many games? How many games do
the Ravens have left? So four?
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I think it's four? Is it still lamar?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I don't. I don't know what numbers that he put
up in those games or you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I mean his pace is way better than it was
a year ago. He got three interceptions. He's gonna wind
up say he has forty touchdowns and uh eight on
the ground. I don't know how many does he have?
Five or six? But you know, yeah, you know what
(19:05):
I mean. If he stays on that pace and you
look at the numbers and he's leading in quarterback rating
and all these other.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Sophie finishes forty five touchdowns and eight turnovers, that's a lot.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, you know, I'd have to look at the other
people then, you know what I'm saying. That's what I'm
trying to understand.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
I have to look at where do you draw the
line between numbers are so great, his numbers have to
be ever versus Josh Allen, whose numbers are not going
to be that great, right, but he's going to have
the narrative behind him and the winning I.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Don't know, we saw this before, and sometimes like degree
of difficulty. We saw that with the Tom Brady and
Aaron Rodgers MVP. Brady had had better numbers, not way better,
but he had better numbers. You remember, Chris was the
one who was saying Brady should win and it was
a whitewash. Aaron Rodgers won easily, but there were those
signature wins. Remember he went to Arizona when they were
(19:59):
undefeated and he won a couple of the big games
that I think people looked at so primetime game. So
it depends. Last year. I thought that Lamar woned win
Christmas Night against brock Party right when he destroyed the
forty nine ers on the road. Do you remember everybody
was like, oh, Brock's the MVP. And it wasn't even
close after that game, So something like that could happen.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, No, I think that I get with Rob g
the question becomes, you know, and we all have to
kind of do this year by year.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Is it just the record?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Because again, what if the Lions don't win again and
don't lose again and they're sitting there at sixteen and one,
are people gonna go it's gotta be Jared Goff's because
they're sixteen to one and he's put up good numbers,
maybe not great, and that's what where we all still
don't know the answer to the MVP. Is it just
flat out the best player Michael Jordan for all those years.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
We haven't seen it, but it hasn't been that.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I mean, right, that's what I mean. So it becomes like, well,
what does it mean to you?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
A vote?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Just what they mean to you in baseball.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I think it's a cop vote. I think it's a
com Yeah. I just think it's a combination. To me,
you gotta win, like make the playoffs or be you
can't be an also ran team playing games that don't matter.
I think that it's different.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
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Speaker 3 (21:23):
All right, let's go here. We talked about this Kelvin
Bill Belichick and the job at North Carolina not a
football school, and that now, Rob g what are the
reports are that?
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Oh, we got a lot of reports coming down, So
I mean, here it is. We all heard yesterday that
he had met with North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I remember I was questioning.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Everybody was like, Robinson, one of the most respected NFL
reporters in the game right now, it was like, look,
we all know what this is. It's levery for him
to get back in the league. Just show that his
name is hot. Yeah, yeada, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
We were like what.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Well, today that story has taken not one but two
turns Yarns, one of them being Albert Bereersports Dealership, another
very plugged in reporter, Yes, said, oh, the UNC thing
is real. That and it's not just that it's UNC.
It's that Bill Belichick wants to return to coaching so
badly next season that he's open to both college and
(22:19):
the NFL. Obviously he prefers the NFL, but he wants
to get back on the sidelines somewhere. Flash forward a
few hours and The Guardian is reporting that the reason
why UNC specifically is so appealing to Bill Belichick it's
not because they got a great football program. It's not
because he expects to dominate college football the same way
(22:39):
he dominated the NFL. It's because part of the agreement
would be if he takes that job with the dar
Heels that his son Steve Belichick would be on the
staff and become the head coach in waiting for North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Is this on it is?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Bill Belichick. Do not do this?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
It would be the biggest mistake of his career. And
his son should step up and say, Dad, don't do this.
Bill Belichick has a chance to have the most wins
in the history of the NFL. It's within his grasp.
He should not be taking some college job to make
sure that his son gets the job after he's done.
(23:26):
Let his son earn his own way as a head
coach in the NFL. This is bad, This would be dumb,
It would be terrible. Bill Belichick belongs in the NFL.
Bill Belichick belongs having a shot at capping off his
great career, even though he cheated, and even though I
(23:47):
wouldn't vote for him right away on the Hall of
Fame if at all. But I'm talking about the numbers
and what he's accomplished to do this to get your
kids some job, it's at North Carolina. That's the only
way your kid's gonna make Really, how does that feel
good for the kid of the sun?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (24:07):
The only reason I got the job. And as soon
as Bill is out of the picture and the son loses,
the school will run him out of there. I mean,
come on, this is not the way we should be
going about it. This should not be lebron and Bronni
and the only way his kid could get a head coach.
And what does he rob g a defensive coordinator somewhere.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
He's a defensive coordinator for the University of Washington. Again,
he was on the staff in New England with Belick.
That's nepotism, not a nepotism. It's ramping all over the NFL.
We know that. But this would be a mistake. I'm
totally against this. It's wrong. And the kid.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
If I would if that was my dad who was
trying to help me out, I would say, Dad, please
do not hurt your legacy or not finish your legacy
by trying to help me get a job at North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
All right, here's where you're wrong. Let me help you out.
Nobody knows who's the league leader in most of these
The all time winning is manager in baseball.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I don't know. All time winning is coach in NBAH,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
All I do know is Phil Jackson is one of
the greatest coaches all time. Popovich is one of the
greatest of all time. If you want to go pat
Riley is one of the all time. Who's the best
NFL coach all time? Bill Belichick? Whether he was one
more game, zero more games, or one hunting more games, we.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Already know that.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So the identity has to come back to be the
all time leader. It would be great in a utopian
Hallmark Disney type of way, sure, but if it don't happen,
it didn't change his legacy at all. The best running back,
a lot of people say, is Barry Sanders.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
You know what he didn't do.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You and I were talking about it yesterday off the air.
He didn't come back and finish the deal and become
the all time leading rusher. But if you ask a
lot of former NFL players who's the best running back,
they'll say Barry Sanders.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
So I get your cinnament, And I really do understand that.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
In the perfect world, why not get that accomplish But
he's already accomplished with matter most. He won a bunch
of games, and he won most importantly those Super Bowl titles,
so I think he's securing that. And also, listen, man,
and you had a perfect world, I understand where nepotism
doesn't have to exist, or these opportunities are your dad's
best friend from college giving you a chance. But that's
(26:19):
the way this world works, and it ain't What you
know is who you know. You know that, I know that.
And so if his dad goes over there, he joins
the staff, and Bill sets the culture, sets the team up,
kind of sets the identity, and then says, here, kid,
here's the keys to the kingdom. That happens all the
time in real life bankers, people who own their own
(26:40):
body shops, mechanics. You know, I just had law firms. Here, son, here, daughter,
here's the key to the law firm. So I don't
have a problem with it. And I definitely would actually
got to be an interesting and more heartwarming way for
him to end his career, to go to the Jets
or the Giants and win the most wins ever. But
did it by being five and twelve two years in
a and it just end up being ugly.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I couldn't. I just totally disagree with you, and and
nepotism is bad at all levels. I don't care. It
just is, and I know it goes on. I'm not
naive to it. But when people own their own business
or family business, that don't look at that as nepotism. Okay,
If you own the store, your family's gonna work there
and your kids, that's not nepotism. If I started the
(27:23):
law firm, that's not nepotism. I own it. Okay. If
Bill Belichick does not own North Carolina all right, does
not own the university, that's not his. And that's what's
wrong when you start to do things like that. So
I totally disagree with Jerry Jones owns the Dallas Cowboys.
(27:44):
He owns the Dallas Cowboys. He has a right to
have his kids work there. He what he doesn't have
a right is to have his kid on the team.
And that's why he's never done that. That's what he
hasn't done. And buying that that and anyway, what respect
would his kid what's his kid's name, Steven, Steve, What
(28:07):
respect would he get knowing he came in through the
back door and that's that's where he is. That's what
that's what Brownie has to face. That's the same thing
that has been pushed down on Brownie and now the
guy he can't do anything wrong and Rob g jump in. Well,
we got more.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
As an update to this, the same reporter, Allie Connolly
for The Guardian added more to this story just since
we started doing this this topic. In addition to Steve
Belichick would be on the staff as head coaching waiting.
Additional staff members would inclue you'll love this the pencil
Matt Patricia and Ben McDaniels, who is the brother of
(28:46):
longtime Patriots offensive coordinators.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
This is what I'm saying. Really, North Carolina is dis desperate,
They're they're not winning anything. Really, you're gonna let Bill
Belichick come and just cash out all of his family
and friends. How disgraceful that is.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
I was in it.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I was all right with it till you said, Matt Patricia,
you had me at my son and some heartwarming ending
to my coaching career.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I was alright with that.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Then you just brought up Matt patricea first of all,
robb G, Why would you do that after my lions
won again? As you know, my favorite song is when
you know I have PTSD from them getting rid of
GYM callwell from Matt Patricia. Why would you bring that up?
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Robb G?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
How dare you interrupt my Friday, that me and Robert
feeling good on this funky flashback Friday. You want to
go there to do not ruin my weekend? Like Matt
Patricia walking around with a number two pencil with a
laminated scure sheet and an iPad.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
What you got a pencil for?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Matt Patricia walking around with a grizzly old beard. Don't
give me, man, don't get me started on him.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
But by the way, you see you try to say
credit for this current Lions team. I know you know
special foundation, you know from the offensive Quinn awful.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Oh my gosh, Matt Patricia, go away, go coach a
high school I don't even know where state he's from.
Go back to that state and go coach a high
school football team there.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
And I'm sure you'd be great at that. Fine, but
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Again, before I knew that info, you know, before Rob
g hit us with that again, sticking on his son,
I had no problem with that in the sense of
that happens all the time. You got Kyle Shanahan, you know,
he got a hand up from his dad. It happens
all the time. You got Lane Kiffin from his dad,
And just did you coaching coaching might be the worst
nepotism in any thing we got right now in sport,
(30:26):
I mean coaches throw more allyops in to their They
are the walking Jason kids and Chris Paul's with all
the alliups. They throw Gary Payton and Sean Kent with
the aliops. In the NFL, I mean, they're is rampant
with sons who are assisting this coaching that team manager.
Until I can find you. You're over our highlighted the
(30:46):
highlight film. You go cut the tapes that it is
all in there.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, but we know that. But I don't think his
son should should allow his dad to give up. The
legacy does matter? We know a change he can ask
its change. Just the idea that when they make your
plaque and they put you in the Hall of Fame
or that you're the all time winning coach, I think
that that does mean something. It's so fine that he
(31:11):
won six super Bowls and that's good, but you play
and you would the all time winning coach, something that
probably wouldn't even happen the way. Coaches don't get to
stick around that long anymore, especially without winning. That's all
I'm saying. And I just think that's not the way.
I wouldn't want my job to be at the cost
of my dad's legacy. That's all. If Bill Belichick was
(31:34):
a hundred wins away, then fine, have at it if
that's the way you want to get in. But he's
within striking distance the.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Same as the most wins of all time as a coach,
Don Shula, who has the most in the NBA. I
don't know, nobody can't like if if he wins, that
on the plaque doesn't change what he did and what
we all know and the.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Run he had. Like I said, in a perfect world,
I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
But to me, if I get a chance to prop
up help my son and that be my legacy, I'd
pick more pride that.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Because what's done it, that's your legacy. If he was
getting younger than me, if he was getting a job
at Alabama, maybe maybe if.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
You that's how you get to Alabama, you can work
your way.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
To Alabama, then maybe I'll look at it.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Really, that's how you get to Alabama. Go way in
North Carolina for two or three years and then you
get there. That's how you get there.
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