January 21, 2025 • 32 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain why they have no problem with the one anonymous Hall of Fame voter who prevented Ichiro Suzuki from being a unanimous selection and take Kirk Herbstreit to task for failing to be objective after Ohio State won the College Football National Champion. Plus, former NFL cornerback Fred Smoot swings by to discuss what makes Jayden Daniels so dangerous, why he’s picking the Washington Commanders to upset the Philadelphia Eagles in the NFC Championship, how the Commanders would matchup in a hypothetical Super Bowl showdown with the Kansas City Chiefs and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
So let's get to it. I really want to get
to this.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
The Hall of Fame ballots accounted, and we got our
three guys who are going into the Hall of Fame.
You know my ballot, I voted for two of the
three who got in each year.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Old makes it almost unanimous.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
One vote. Shot, you got beef with that one vote?
Or is it maybe you can.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
That's what we're gonna talk about. Yeah, that's the big thing.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
CC Sabathia got in who I voted for a lot
of people were like, CC, is he really all? Yes,
he's in the three thousand strikeout club, one hundred in
I mean two hundred and fifty one, wins cy Young
and won the World shon.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
That was the key part too, is that if you
wanted to major right, he has also one you know
he had a worse title, but you mentioned that three
thousand mark and the only couple people Roger Clemings, which
would have been said not for and you know what,
and Kurt Schilling.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Those are the only two. All the other pictures win
in the three thousand strike out club are in. And
then Billy Wagner, who I have a problem with. I
didn't vote for Billy Wagner. This is his tenth year
on the ballot, and.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
To me, he didn't get better. Has he pitched in
the last ten years? Didn't get better in the last
ten years.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Well, I wasn't pitching though, And Kelvin, that's the issue.
I have his first year on the ballot ten point
ten point five percent of the vote. Where did the
votes come from? Like over the years, and people feel
compelled in his final year on the ballot, Oh we
got to put him on because this is it. This
is it, and it's a sympathy vote at the end,
(01:58):
and I don't like it. To me, you shouldn't need
ten years to get on the to get in the
Hall of Fame, because either you're a Hall of Famer
or you're not. A lot of people are like, oh,
it's not first ballot, he's a second or third. To me,
if you're in the Hall of Fame, you're a Hall
of Famer, it should be one shot and you should
be like, yes, he is a Hall of Famer, or
he's not a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
That's how I would prefer it. We talk about especially, uh,
the NFL does the right. Baseball does it right for
the most part, NBA because it's not NBA, because it's basketball.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It gets weird.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
They don't have any control because the guy played college
or he you know, did this, and she did that
international international. We don't even know their name. It's like,
who is that? But the Globe Trotters are in the
Basketball Hall and that's fine at this point, as we
talked about with Steve, I think a week or two ago,
that's fine, have the basket ball, but the NBA needs
to say, all right, we got an NBA where Magic
Kareem Bird, Jordan.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It's a little different than everybody else over there. So
I would love to see that at some point, but
it is. If there were a sixty eight seventy to
the vote and after six seven, eight years, I can
understand it.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Maybe you thought about it differently.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
New perspective, new evidence, new stat in the way of looking,
you know, like, for instance, there wasn't a war at
some point, right, there wasn't a perr at some point.
Here's perspective when he made you go okay, I didn't
think about it. Ten percent to get a in is
crazy work.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
You were rejecting nine times on the ballot, where the
writers didn't think you were good enough to be a
Hall of Famer, and now on your tenth year they
changed their minds. It makes no sense. It's illogical. That
part of it is. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Like I said, if it was sitting around, like, let's
look at it from this year, right, So if you
want to look at it this year, and you looked
at some of the people who were like, okay, so
let's say Carlos Beltram now didn't get in. But if
you're looking at it, it's seventy point three percent of
the vote. So you say, okay, I could see why
after a decade he would get the necessary you know,
(03:54):
twelve more points because maybe I didn't see about this,
or maybe I thought or MA just didn't like the
group of guys he was up against.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
There's never ten you get ten votes there's never ten
guys like that is not the argument, and that's.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
The people to say that because you can't go from
ten percent.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Time in that ten to seventy five, like you gotta
get seventy five.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That's three out of four votes, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
That won't improvement when you didn't play right, when you
haven't played at all. Now' let's do this. Uh, let's
talk about each your row one vote short, and a
lot of people are up in arms. I saw John
Hayman from New York Post, longtime baseball writer who I
work with at Newsday in New York. You know who's
(04:36):
the numbskull. Didn't vote for each your Row. We got
it when it was Derek Jeter. And I'm gonna say this,
as much as I complain about my brother and who
have voted Billy Wagner in, it's their vote.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, it is their vote.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I don't think that anybody put in a ballot that
had anybody else's name on it and they left each
your Row off that I do not believe. I believe
it's a blank ballot in protest protest, just whatever it
might be, like, they just decide, you know what period
pro like nobody deserves to be unanimous. Okay, And for
(05:15):
all the people gonna cry about each your row, can
I give you some name?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Willie made was not unanimous? You can keep on. Hey,
Aaron was not. Do you see what I'm saying? So
so the belly ache that first it was Jeter.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
And now it's each your row. To me, I can't
because you'd have to tell me all these other great
players who didn't get in unanimously. Mariano Rivera was the
first time. And even then it was shocking that no
one to this point had ever gotten in unanimous, and
all of a sudden, Mariano, and now we believe that
(05:51):
every year everybody should get in unanimously. That I just
don't understand that. And you know people who are up
in arm it doesn't matter. Ah, I've read on Twitter.
Oh you know they should take their Hall of Fame
ballot away from them.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, it's your ballot.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
It's yeah right, ROBBG says they should take him away.
He's over there. Let me put it on here, Robs.
The issue is, before you go real quick to ross
point is each row was incredible, clearly ninety nine point
what seven percent of the vote to whatever it was.
But to Ross's point, we've had some incredible players who
won multiple World Series titles who don't get in or
(06:28):
are unanimously I should say, And we've had some of
the when you think of the best player ever, oftentimes
you don't say eachro Now, he might be up there
and that person whoever is gonna name the best player, right,
he wasn't unanimous.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So it becomes while I.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
By go and that's kind of wild that you wouldn't
vote for him. We got a whole trail of people
we can go down that list of the greats.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Are the greats, are the great the best ever? And
they didn't get unanimous. Kicks did not get a unanimous
Tom sever anybody you're gonna name, literally, just it, no
matter who, I'm not gonna get it. I mean, Rob
g what would be your response to that?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
If you're telling me that that you're okay with Willy
May's not getting in unanimous, but you got your pennies
and a bunch over each your row.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
It's not that I'm okay with Willy May's not getting
unanimous or can't Junior Derek Jitter, whoever. The problem is.
This is why fake news became a thing. This is
why people do not trust the media, because you have
self important people who believe it's their right to say.
You know what, I'm gonna be the one to make
sure this doesn't happen because it happened to cal Ripken Jr.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Twenty years ago.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
So I'm gonna be the one to make sure that
each of ro Suzuki, even though I'm gonna vote for
him next year and the year after that and the year,
it's not gonna be unanimous because I'm the guy.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I'm the one who's special.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
I'm gonna stand up on my eye horse and make
it seem like I'm gonna be the one who can
decide whose career is worth what and what it's not.
When we know deep down whoever did vote or didn't
vote or left the blank, that what you said is
just for him. I'm again next to you, So what
you're doing is full of crap. It's embarrassing to the sport,
it's embarrassing to the BBWA.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
But see here it.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Is the BBWAA got it right, you know what I
mean as a whole and Rob g you can't control
everybody like like, look at all the other writers who
voted for him because they looked.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
At it undred and whatever. Uh shouldn't it shouldn't be
the I get the overall. I get what you're saying, Robgie,
that totally makes sense. But I think when you look
at it, if you're telling me two hundred and something
twenty god people, only one didn't vote for me, that's
kind of crazy, actually, because nothing in life is like that.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Nothing or you're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
A hundred percent in this world where we live, nobody's
gonna see something. Well, he didn't do this, he came
too late, he didn't do enough.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Did he win? I didn't like the way he blah blah, he.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Screwed me over over interview. That's how petty people can
be a time.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
You know he isn't not the problem, then, but should
that person have a vote if they are gonna make
it personal and say I'm not going to allow you
to be unanimous because it wasn't fair to George Brand
and Hank Garrett, Tony Butt, Like, no, you should be
trying to right the wrongs of what happened.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
To the people before you.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I'm right, I agree, But to be able, like when
you look at some of the percentages, Rob g of
people and other voters. You know, you start to look
at it and go, well, how come this one? Or like,
how come give it to us? The numbers rob So
here are.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
The guy the closest to unanimous, including each miss before
ka Derek Jeter missed it by one, Ken Griffy missed,
David Junior missed it by three, Tom sever by five,
Nolan Ryan by six, cal Riper Jr. By eight, Ty
Cob by four, George Brett by nine, like look at
Ty Cob nine, and last but not least, Tony third
Cob definitely was he was flirting with somebody wife.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
And and Tony Gwynn, who's like one of the greatest
hitters who ever played.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Thirteen people didn't vote. But an't you embarrassed? Rob No,
because this is what you.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Hold because again you mentioned I don't have a kids,
I don't got a wife, like this is one of
your most prized possessions. You're a Hall of Fame voter,
no doubt you have somebody who hijacked this moment from
one of the all time great players, knowing that that
each year Row is a Hall of Famer he is
or he is and he is, but out of principle,
I'm gonna leave him off the list because I'm petty
like that.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I get your point, I do, I still believe it.
I'll hold up to this. He it's his ballot, and
he has a right as the way that you know,
you get a ballot and have to earn it. You
have to cover Major League Baseball for ten straight years
with a BBWAA car. So they like some rogue guy
who's not in the club and doesn't cover bad You
(10:41):
can't get a vote without your ten years of service.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
So this is their right that they've earned. And wise, if.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
There's no vote, then we should just put people in
and never even take a vote.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
But that's not how we work, and.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's crazy, it is. You know what it reminds me
of to Rob Gie. It's like the MVP. How we
still don't know exactly what that means, you know what
I mean, like the most value? Is he the best
because he's the best on his team? Or is he
the best player on the best team? And so point being,
this writer may go, it's not that he's not a
Hall of Famer. I just don't think he's first ballot.
(11:16):
I think he's right there, but I don't put him
on the likes of block filling the blank, filling the blank.
So to your point, I'm he's gonna get in, but
I can't make him a hall. He's not on the
same tier as this person who I believe is the
first ballot, and we obviously all disagree.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
But that's their vote, and that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
When you get people vote, their definition of what we're
they're voting for often changes.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
And often there were people, of course who are like, uh, Rob,
was that you didn't vote, but that you vetic No,
that is not me, because that was you for everybody else.
That was that was you for everybody. So my ballot
was actually close to what it was three There are
people voted for ten people and they honestly put a
(11:59):
turn in the ballot with ten votes.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Hall of Fame. Well you said some people like the
empty the clip. Yeah, they fucking ten votes. Everybody get in.
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Speaker 4 (12:19):
We had an embarrassing moment uh oh boy, yes in
the game and it involved Kirk Herbstreet, who's the color
analyst for ESPN and ABC, and uh, let's take a listen.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I'm a little emotional, you know. I I'm just fired
up for these guys. I it's you.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Know, when I call these games, I'm incredibly objective, and
I you know, I love all these Ohio state teams,
but this team, because of what they went through, Uh
to get to this point, you're just happy.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
That was minimum by the way, and that part okay, yeah,
and he stepped out of the camera site, yes, so
that he could wipe his eyes because he's crying.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean, none of that was the worst part because
Fowler's just talking and he's just off to the site.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Here we go the most embarrassing moment for a broadcaster.
And I'm dead serious. This is my big argument about
athletes in these roles because they claim that they're objective,
and they're not. They're not for him to even have
to say. And you know, when I do these games,
I'm objective. I had to say that, incredibly objective. But
(13:32):
you're crying like a baby. And here's the problem. I've
said this before, Tiki Barber, stop backing the Giants. With
Sai Kwan and Daniel Jones. He's a part. He's worn
that uniform. Kirk Kurbstreet can say whatever he wants, he's
won that uniform. To me, it would be like and
(13:53):
then they say, well, what about Joe Davis? He does
the Dodger games?
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Did Joe Davis booh when the Dodgers won the World
Series on Fox? Some people were mad, felt like he
wasn't talk exactly okay, because he's a professional. How did
Mike How did Charles Barkley lose one of his best
friends ever?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
He called out Michael Jordan. He called him out and
said terrible owner GM.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Okay, most of the players in the NBA hate Charles Barkley,
don't they?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Because the guy is honest.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yet he's one of the best analysts out there, and
a lot of these guys can't shake it. Can you
imagine if we watched the election coverage and Anderson Cooper
started boohooing because Trump won the election.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Well, I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Okay, you get what I'm saying. You can't do that
if you want to be in this business. And Kirk
curb Street, that's an embarrassing moment for for his broadcast career.
How can any coach, any player, anybody take anything he
says right seriously when he bleeds call it from Ohio State.
(15:02):
I guess sure everybody can be happy. He could be Hey,
you know, like he took it. Here's Brian let me
jump in a terrible moment. Here's my issue.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You remember what he did a few weeks ago where
he got mad so much so that he called out
his own colleagues about them and they what they saying
and called out Shannon Sharpen all them and first take
like his own colleagues about a game about a dude.
It's a first it's a debate show. They're gonna debate things,
their opinions, their opinion on the debate show that typically,
(15:34):
especially those two, they're not far reaching. They're not other
shows that say crazy asinine stuff. And you called your
own colleagues out on the air, Number one, hold on.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
That shows me you're getting too emotional in this.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You're calling people out on air, not just random while
Whoo's fans or something, you're calling out your colleagues. Dude,
that's kind of because you're to attached to that's my point.
So that's number one and is this ain't a matter
of years, whereas this is all like a few weeks.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You're calling out your colleagues.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Then you're getting emotional so much so out if you'd
have just played the table.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I thought it was Tyo, that's my quarterback. I thought
he was.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Everybody to hit me with the that's my quarterback. Nobody's
saying you can't be excited. Nobody can't. We all know
where you went to school, We understand that, we know
you have personal relationships, but you gotta hold on for
three minutes. And as they say on the streets, he
gonna cry in the car. You can cry in the car.
You can do that. If this was your last game
you ever were calling, you had a great career and
your school happened to win it, we all would get it.
(16:30):
But to say, I've been incredibly objective. You just called
out your own colleagues, called out fans who.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Justified you went to all the state.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
And after that it was witch after Ryan Day lost
the mission, That's what I say.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You know you were favored by twenty one and you
lose to Michigan unranked lost in Guinness Joe, you're one
and four against them, that's part of the job. Jim
Harbo had a heck of a career. But you know
when people kept questioning him in calling for a job.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
When he would lose Ohio State, when he took a
pint called that Michigan before he finally won the national championship.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
That's not far for us.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
So to go crazy on fans, go crazy on the
idea that Ryan day when you know the expectations what
they are, you know this and then it specifically call
out teammates and colleagues. I should say, I just I
thought that was too much coupled then with this quarterback
moment Kirk heck of a career, one of the better
broadcasts for heere But we can get punk the breaks
(17:25):
a little bit. No, like I said, I'm not saying
don't get emotional. I ain't saying that. You got to
tell them and your and the producer director in your
ear and man, go quick. We gotta need to get
out of this quick because I'm about to have a moment. Dude,
whatever you need to do.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
But you can't have that full on moment right after
you just said I'm incredibly objective. It's it was a
bad scene and if you're a TV executive that Hey,
I didn't say that. I'm saying that you lose credibility.
You can say whatever you want that they love him.
You lose credibility no matter that. And if another coach decides, wait, man,
(17:57):
you're a Ohio so you cright on the air and.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Then you say something.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
You say something now opposite Michigan, opposite Alabama.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
That's what he says. Just what y'all got. I thought
it was supposed to be fair. Do you see what
I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Like, that's what puts the network in a in a
in a weird spot.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Oh you want to do an interview with Kirkirk?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Now you know what I'm okay, he's got an Ohio
state slant.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
He cried on the air.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I've been watching sports my whole life, and this is
my big pushback on athletes ex athletes becoming broadcasters.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
It's not that they can't.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
They have a better insight on being color analysts, but
as a fan watching and listening, they're compromised.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
He just showed you on.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
The biggest broadcast of college football this year, how compromised
these guys are. They're in bed with the teams, they
have relationships and they can't.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Break away from it. So when you hear.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
From them, I'm not saying don't listen to them or
they don't have any credibility, but understand they're compromised. They're
not always gonna give you the real story, the fair story,
the accurate story. There's too many entanglements and they can't
break away from it because that's his school.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
He wants to be liked. He's not gonna rip.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
He's gonna go on there and rip Ryan day after
they lost to Michigan on the air.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
No, it won't happen.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And the best part about it too, there are some
who we love and respect who to do that. Troy Aikman.
Troy Aikman will go at the team. He'll go at
the reps and go at the league. If we just
talked about it with Patrick Mahall loved it. And Troy
Aikman will go at the Cowboys. Hey, he just said,
I don't think that's a desirable job. That's a I mean, dude,
he is literally like mister cowboy quarterback during the nineties.
(19:57):
Obviously Roger Starbuck you know, sit there too, but you
know what I mean, Like you're a cowboy than the nine.
You got three rings, and he'll go at Jerry. He
loves Jerry, but he'll keep it right. Hey, I don't
like what he do it. Hey he medals. Hey that's
not desirable. Hey, they need to be better in the offseason.
So there are people who do it correct.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
How many teams?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
How many times do you watch the pregame show and
whatever team they played on, they always picked the team
like like siahs like, why would you Let's let's skip
all very often, Let's skip this if this is what
it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And if you can't, okay, is it okay?
Speaker 4 (20:26):
You look at the matchup, your your your team, your
team you play for is banged up and the other
team is way better, right, And.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
So my only thing with that, what would be the
point on I only think.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I'm more on the on the Kirk Hurve Street side
of like you're calling the game. If you guys are
just talking smack and you're picking a game, you tongue
in cheek and say, I don't give a dag if
they hurt. I'm going with the fill in the blake.
That's my I'm okay with that because I know you're
being outrageous.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
No, you see. That doesn't bother me because I know
you're being outraged. You shouldn't do, you shouldn't do.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
They're selling me on quote incredibly objective. Yet you're going
at on the air, your on college. That to me
is what I having Kirk.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Curve Street picked every week Ohio State to win. What
I'm saying, but I'm saying, what is the point on
doing that segment if everybody's going to pick.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Their t my point.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I think a part of that is, as you mentioned,
the inside NBA, just the fun side of it, like
you're just gonna go with your team, have fun tongue
in chee. That that doesn't bother me because I know
what you're doing. But when you're supposed to be an
incredibly objective role calling a game, calling it as you
see it, and you're not, that's an issue.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Rob G.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
You watched sports for a long time. You ever see that?
I know I haven't.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I'm like, during a broadcast, I've never seen I've never
seen that. I've seen the studio guys do it a.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Cry on the on the As a national broadcaster doing
a national game, it ain't like Ohio State and never
won a national championship fourteen.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Rob g.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
This wasn't like, oh my God, like like the finally won.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
And yeah what really.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
And their expectations are for them to win it every.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Year, so it's not like this is a favorite to
win it again.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Exit right, So yeah, it was just And again I
do feel like there was a little extra sauce being
added like me and I think he. I think he
handed it up like I'm about to do you know,
how you know you're about to do something.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I think he knew I'm about to do this. Well,
it was It was bad. It was really bad.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Uh, one of the worst things I've ever seen, I
mean for real.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
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Speaker 1 (22:46):
And we are joined right now by Fred Smooth, former
NFL cornerback NFL analysts I may or may not used
to get busy with him when they were the Redskins,
not the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Right now, Fred, what's up? Man? On the NFL Madden
it was getting busy. How are you? What's up?
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Fred? That was how y'all doing man, Thanks for having
me feeling good man.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Well, other than the fact that the Commanders played a
flawless game against the line.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
No, no, no, no, Fred, he's a big time line home.
I've been telling them all year, lies we gonna do.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I picked the Commanders, he had his patties in a
bunch over it, and they went in. How surprised were
you at what the Commanders were able to do because.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I saw this coming. Don't get that, man, None of
that problem with Jared lost. But go ahead. What you
see in that game, think.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
About it is we just introduced the way up to
America's new team. And to think about we inside of
that building that we had a chance to beat them.
We got to realize it's good the Detroit Ryons are offensively.
You know, they was missing thirteen guys on defension. Sometimes
it kitches up with you when you play in a
high power like the one we have. And you got
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to also realize we have a rookie quarterback. It's leading
the playoffs in passing percentage, passing efficiency, passing yard and
he don't turn the ball over, giving up the chance
to win any game.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
So you're trying to tell me, he's the one? Is he?
The one? Is he?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Neil?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
The may treatment.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Didn't we hear this last year about the FID I
remember this conversation a year ago.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
No, two different animals, two different animals. He won the
lord ches This one is different. Right here. You gotta
realize I said this before the year started. I say
that a group this would be the best quarterback clans
of all time. And it's because the side effect of
them going through COVID, them being able to start forty
(24:33):
fifty sixty college games. They stee the game. It's a
little slower to them than it is when the rookie
comes out and get one and a half or two
year starting. He got that a lot of football. And
this guy puts a lot of work in too. I
give him that like he puts the work in so
when he gets on the field, he's never nervous.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I about this, And I'm not trying to rain on
your parade because I love what the commanders.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Of get an umbrella, Ready for Ready Forred.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I mean, come on, there's like three or four games
that they had no business winning where they got lucky
at the end, and you know what I'm talking about,
And you wouldn't be having a different conversation because I
love I get it. You know, Uh, sports has a
short MANU wins and losses. But let's just like, let's
not get carried away. They had some things break their
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way as well.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
Rob, Rob, Rob was a field we all be drunk
for freeze.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That's what I'll be telling them.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
No, don't you do that.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Rob.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
Like football, he is a little luck involved when the
battle is bouncing your way. You know that when you're
a team of destiny. See, people thought we were playing
with house money, but now we seem to be a
team of destiny. And you got to realize we're playing
the Philadelmia Eagles. We didn't beat those guys before we
got scared to Philly depth. We're four quarters away from
walking down Bourbon Street and drinking five time in dackers.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
And you know what the Lions were too, with a
seventeen point lead in the first half in San Francisco.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
I understand, we just beat the Lions. We just beat
the Lions, all right.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Get you ain't got to say you beat the Lions
three times in a rough friend, I got it. Fred Smoot,
our guest, former NFL cornerback NFL analyst, let's talk about
this game. The Eagles will say, hey, we got a
great defense, we got a quarterback that he doesn't have
to do too much, you know, just manage the game.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
He probably don't want to hear that.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But and then we got that boy running that's looking
like Barry Sanders two point zero, and sayn how do
you go about it? If you were still a dB
for the Commanders. What's the process? How do you stop
that offense? Specifically the running game with.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Saquon First of all, when it comes to shake pun
and try to stop in him is basically you need
to pray. Start with putting some Jesus in your life. Nick,
you got to realize that their offensive line is maam it.
The line is one of the best office lives in football.
So it's good as take Kwon Bartleys. I got to
talk about the fact that they got some guys up front,
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this part of a moving company, and they move you
state to state if they have to. Then you got
to realize Dallas guarded over there, and you got aj
Brown and smile. But the one factor that I think
nobody's talking about Jalen Hurts is actually maybe hurting They'm
not saying nothing about it. He's not been playing, especially
when it comes to throwing the ball from the pocket.
He has not been efficient. And I'm telling you right
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now we have a chance to get out and a
shootout on them. And I don't know how much tay
Kwan Barkley ll be if our offense start to really cook.
You gotta realize we may going through a list spread.
When we tell our plum of Transway to stay at home,
we don't even use him. But I tell you what
the familiarity of these two teams office defense expency teams wise,
it's gonna be a good game.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I just look at the Eagles with that offensive line
and that they can run the ball, they can control
the clock, cut down on possessions.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
That's the kind of game you want to play, don't
you If you're taking on Washington.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Rob may't just playoff football as a hold, you know
when he gets cold outside and you can't throw the
ball around the yard. Yes, and guess what, we have
a guy that's the great equalizer. We have Jedi five.
You had a force multiplier himself. We got a guy
there using his legs as good as anybody in the league.
If we don't design a lot of run plays for him.
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This is naturally from the pockets. He didn't gonna think
about Jayleen that you got love. He really throws this
bert and surveys at pocket like Peyton Manning, but he
runs like Lamar Jackson. That's a scary mixture person right there.
So it's a different level when it comes to these teams.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Then, if you look at let's just say, for whatever,
the Commanders go to the Super Bowl, you gotta face
either the Bills or the Chiefs. Let's kind of break
down those two teams. Uh, the Chiefs, obviously, they just
make the right winning plays year after year.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
At the year, this is.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
What they do, and their officials look super Bowls robbed
at some point.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Can you just say they're good to great? No, I'm not.
This year they've been really lucky for you. This is
what we're talking about.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Come up with the Look, how about these guys in
the Reed and Pat Mahons just know how to win.
How About they might not be as explosive as they
were with Tyreek Hillis, might not might not get more efficient,
and they know how to win. Like when it comes
to the fourth quarter, two things out. These quarterbacks haven't
coming Jayton Daniels and Pat Mahomes. If they got the
ball last, you have lost. That's a guarantee. You could
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take that to the casino. You won't win that money.
So at the end of the day, he's just leitha
as he's always been. How about they might be a
little bored a right, how about they more into that
mode of that old New England team that we couldn't stand.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
That's so they're so bored.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes had the worst stats of his career
across the board. Every stat line was the worst of
his career. You think that Patrick winning, You think, yeah, no,
but yeah, but it ain't. It ain't just him. He
didn't even get the team went fifteen and two when
he got no MVP votes. How is that possible? No
all pro votes if it's about Patrick mahonmes, So I'm
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asking you to win?
Speaker 7 (29:50):
No, No, I'm just saying no, only do I have
to win games, but you want me to winning the
style points? Right now?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
They stop points. It's just the idea. How many quarterbacks
can lead a team to fifteen and two? Right, and
what and not getting All Pro vote at quarterback? How
is that possible?
Speaker 7 (30:09):
I understand that, but his stats were just not there.
The only statu he was leading in was winning games.
And that's what I'm saying. When Pat mahonons set the
bar so high, all right, man, he comes up short,
they would not re ruard him, you know what.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
That's what I'm trying to tell.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I mean, you got Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen were incredible,
Joe Burrow throwing on a million touchdowns. You knew they
were gonna take some of them, some of them votes
right there?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
All right? All right, so then give us your fight.
What's the prediction.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I mean obviously, well I'm just assuming it's go ahead
and pick Washington for you.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Well, no, I'm not being a homer when I say this.
Everything's coming out of my mouth is the truth. Now
your version is totally different. Now, this is what I say.
It's gonna be a hard, fout ball game. It's gonna
be an old NFC East rival. Knock them, bring your
right Dale helmet. But I think we prevailed in the end.
I just think we got it that the team of Destiny,
we'll prevail. But we as high scoring as people think
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it is. I'm gonna stay Washington thirty. I'm gonna say
that Eagles twenty five, and it's gonna be walking to
New Orleans. I cannot wait.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
So you'll be there, huh.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
Most that I'm not missing this way. I haven't been there.
We hadn't done this in three decades, all right. You
know they didn't woke up but sit sleeping giant here
in Washington. We got fans all over the world. It
hadn't been New World Order. It has been different.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
It is amazing because the last time I went to
a game in Landover, they had seats covered up all
over the upper deck.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
You remember that, friend, Yeah, yeah, I remember the dark era.
I went through it. I was a part of some
of the us. I understand the pain that this this
It's like if you told us before the season we
was four quarters away from the super Bowl, nobody would
have believed in us, Nobody would have gave us a chance.
But when you get a quarterback, a guy like we have,
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a totally game changer, it shows you what you can do.
You can turn a whole franchise around. And I ain't
gonna start They don't start there it's started with this
new ownership. It's started with coach Quinn. It's starting with Adam.
I mean, I get used to this. We ain't going
nowhere for long.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
It's funny because that's what they said with CJ. Stroud
last year, that they were going to make the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
This hip CROUDJ scrowd got hot, goy been hot.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Okay, all right, I'm just asking. All right, that's what
I remember last year. Thanks Fred, Let me tell you
Fred Smooth.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Hey, if don King need a replace with us, we are,
he gotta call Fred.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Thank you Fred.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Hey, we appreciate appreciate you anytime.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
So let's get to it. I really want to get
to this.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
The Hall of Fame ballots accounted, and we got our
three guys who are going into the Hall of Fame.
You know my ballot, I voted for two of the
three who got in each year.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Old makes it almost unanimous.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
One vote. Shot, you got beef with that one vote?
Or is it maybe you can.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
That's what we're gonna talk about. Yeah, that's the big thing.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
CC Sabathia got in who I voted for a lot
of people were like, CC, is he really all? Yes,
he's in the three thousand strikeout club, one hundred in
I mean two hundred and fifty one, wins cy Young
and won the World shon.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
That was the key part too, is that if you
wanted to major right, he has also one you know
he had a worse title, but you mentioned that three
thousand mark and the only couple people Roger Clemings, which
would have been said not for and you know what,
and Kurt Schilling.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Those are the only two. All the other pictures win
in the three thousand strike out club are in. And
then Billy Wagner, who I have a problem with. I
didn't vote for Billy Wagner. This is his tenth year
on the ballot, and.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
To me, he didn't get better. Has he pitched in
the last ten years? Didn't get better in the last
ten years.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Well, I wasn't pitching though, And Kelvin, that's the issue.
I have his first year on the ballot ten point
ten point five percent of the vote. Where did the
votes come from? Like over the years, and people feel
compelled in his final year on the ballot, Oh we
got to put him on because this is it. This
is it, and it's a sympathy vote at the end,
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and I don't like it. To me, you shouldn't need
ten years to get on the to get in the
Hall of Fame, because either you're a Hall of Famer
or you're not. A lot of people are like, oh,
it's not first ballot, he's a second or third. To me,
if you're in the Hall of Fame, you're a Hall
of Famer, it should be one shot and you should
be like, yes, he is a Hall of Famer, or
he's not a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
That's how I would prefer it. We talk about especially, uh,
the NFL does the right. Baseball does it right for
the most part, NBA because it's not NBA, because it's basketball.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It gets weird.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
They don't have any control because the guy played college
or he you know, did this, and she did that
international international. We don't even know their name. It's like,
who is that? But the Globe Trotters are in the
Basketball Hall and that's fine at this point, as we
talked about with Steve, I think a week or two ago,
that's fine, have the basket ball, but the NBA needs
to say, all right, we got an NBA where Magic
Kareem Bird, Jordan.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It's a little different than everybody else over there. So
I would love to see that at some point, but
it is. If there were a sixty eight seventy to
the vote and after six seven, eight years, I can
understand it.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Maybe you thought about it differently.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
New perspective, new evidence, new stat in the way of looking,
you know, like, for instance, there wasn't a war at
some point, right, there wasn't a perr at some point.
Here's perspective when he made you go okay, I didn't
think about it. Ten percent to get a in is
crazy work.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
You were rejecting nine times on the ballot, where the
writers didn't think you were good enough to be a
Hall of Famer, and now on your tenth year they
changed their minds. It makes no sense. It's illogical. That
part of it is. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Like I said, if it was sitting around, like, let's
look at it from this year, right, So if you
want to look at it this year, and you looked
at some of the people who were like, okay, so
let's say Carlos Beltram now didn't get in. But if
you're looking at it, it's seventy point three percent of
the vote. So you say, okay, I could see why
after a decade he would get the necessary you know,
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twelve more points because maybe I didn't see about this,
or maybe I thought or MA just didn't like the
group of guys he was up against.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
There's never ten you get ten votes there's never ten
guys like that is not the argument, and that's.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
The people to say that because you can't go from
ten percent.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Time in that ten to seventy five, like you gotta
get seventy five.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That's three out of four votes, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
That won't improvement when you didn't play right, when you
haven't played at all. Now' let's do this. Uh, let's
talk about each your row one vote short, and a
lot of people are up in arms. I saw John
Hayman from New York Post, longtime baseball writer who I
work with at Newsday in New York. You know who's
(04:36):
the numbskull. Didn't vote for each your Row. We got
it when it was Derek Jeter. And I'm gonna say this,
as much as I complain about my brother and who
have voted Billy Wagner in, it's their vote.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, it is their vote.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I don't think that anybody put in a ballot that
had anybody else's name on it and they left each
your Row off that I do not believe. I believe
it's a blank ballot in protest protest, just whatever it
might be, like, they just decide, you know what period
pro like nobody deserves to be unanimous. Okay, And for
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all the people gonna cry about each your row, can
I give you some name?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Willie made was not unanimous? You can keep on. Hey,
Aaron was not. Do you see what I'm saying? So
so the belly ache that first it was Jeter.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
And now it's each your row. To me, I can't
because you'd have to tell me all these other great
players who didn't get in unanimously. Mariano Rivera was the
first time. And even then it was shocking that no
one to this point had ever gotten in unanimous, and
all of a sudden, Mariano, and now we believe that
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every year everybody should get in unanimously. That I just
don't understand that. And you know people who are up
in arm it doesn't matter. Ah, I've read on Twitter.
Oh you know they should take their Hall of Fame
ballot away from them.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, it's your ballot.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
It's yeah right, ROBBG says they should take him away.
He's over there. Let me put it on here, Robs.
The issue is, before you go real quick to ross
point is each row was incredible, clearly ninety nine point
what seven percent of the vote to whatever it was.
But to Ross's point, we've had some incredible players who
won multiple World Series titles who don't get in or
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are unanimously I should say, And we've had some of
the when you think of the best player ever, oftentimes
you don't say eachro Now, he might be up there
and that person whoever is gonna name the best player, right,
he wasn't unanimous.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So it becomes while I.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
By go and that's kind of wild that you wouldn't
vote for him. We got a whole trail of people
we can go down that list of the greats.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Are the greats, are the great the best ever? And
they didn't get unanimous. Kicks did not get a unanimous
Tom sever anybody you're gonna name, literally, just it, no
matter who, I'm not gonna get it. I mean, Rob
g what would be your response to that?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
If you're telling me that that you're okay with Willy
May's not getting in unanimous, but you got your pennies
and a bunch over each your row.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
It's not that I'm okay with Willy May's not getting
unanimous or can't Junior Derek Jitter, whoever. The problem is.
This is why fake news became a thing. This is
why people do not trust the media, because you have
self important people who believe it's their right to say.
You know what, I'm gonna be the one to make
sure this doesn't happen because it happened to cal Ripken Jr.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Twenty years ago.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
So I'm gonna be the one to make sure that
each of ro Suzuki, even though I'm gonna vote for
him next year and the year after that and the year,
it's not gonna be unanimous because I'm the guy.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I'm the one who's special.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
I'm gonna stand up on my eye horse and make
it seem like I'm gonna be the one who can
decide whose career is worth what and what it's not.
When we know deep down whoever did vote or didn't
vote or left the blank, that what you said is
just for him. I'm again next to you, So what
you're doing is full of crap. It's embarrassing to the sport,
it's embarrassing to the BBWA.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
But see here it.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Is the BBWAA got it right, you know what I
mean as a whole and Rob g you can't control
everybody like like, look at all the other writers who
voted for him because they looked.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
At it undred and whatever. Uh shouldn't it shouldn't be
the I get the overall. I get what you're saying, Robgie,
that totally makes sense. But I think when you look
at it, if you're telling me two hundred and something
twenty god people, only one didn't vote for me, that's
kind of crazy, actually, because nothing in life is like that.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Nothing or you're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
A hundred percent in this world where we live, nobody's
gonna see something. Well, he didn't do this, he came
too late, he didn't do enough.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Did he win? I didn't like the way he blah blah, he.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Screwed me over over interview. That's how petty people can
be a time.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
You know he isn't not the problem, then, but should
that person have a vote if they are gonna make
it personal and say I'm not going to allow you
to be unanimous because it wasn't fair to George Brand
and Hank Garrett, Tony Butt, Like, no, you should be
trying to right the wrongs of what happened.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
To the people before you.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I'm right, I agree, But to be able, like when
you look at some of the percentages, Rob g of
people and other voters. You know, you start to look
at it and go, well, how come this one? Or like,
how come give it to us? The numbers rob So
here are.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
The guy the closest to unanimous, including each miss before
ka Derek Jeter missed it by one, Ken Griffy missed,
David Junior missed it by three, Tom sever by five,
Nolan Ryan by six, cal Riper Jr. By eight, Ty
Cob by four, George Brett by nine, like look at
Ty Cob nine, and last but not least, Tony third
Cob definitely was he was flirting with somebody wife.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
And and Tony Gwynn, who's like one of the greatest
hitters who ever played.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Thirteen people didn't vote. But an't you embarrassed? Rob No,
because this is what you.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Hold because again you mentioned I don't have a kids,
I don't got a wife, like this is one of
your most prized possessions. You're a Hall of Fame voter,
no doubt you have somebody who hijacked this moment from
one of the all time great players, knowing that that
each year Row is a Hall of Famer he is
or he is and he is, but out of principle,
I'm gonna leave him off the list because I'm petty
like that.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I get your point, I do, I still believe it.
I'll hold up to this. He it's his ballot, and
he has a right as the way that you know,
you get a ballot and have to earn it. You
have to cover Major League Baseball for ten straight years
with a BBWAA car. So they like some rogue guy
who's not in the club and doesn't cover bad You
(10:41):
can't get a vote without your ten years of service.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
So this is their right that they've earned. And wise, if.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
There's no vote, then we should just put people in
and never even take a vote.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
But that's not how we work, and.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's crazy, it is. You know what it reminds me
of to Rob Gie. It's like the MVP. How we
still don't know exactly what that means, you know what
I mean, like the most value? Is he the best
because he's the best on his team? Or is he
the best player on the best team? And so point being,
this writer may go, it's not that he's not a
Hall of Famer. I just don't think he's first ballot.
(11:16):
I think he's right there, but I don't put him
on the likes of block filling the blank, filling the blank.
So to your point, I'm he's gonna get in, but
I can't make him a hall. He's not on the
same tier as this person who I believe is the
first ballot, and we obviously all disagree.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
But that's their vote, and that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
When you get people vote, their definition of what we're
they're voting for often changes.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
And often there were people, of course who are like, uh, Rob,
was that you didn't vote, but that you vetic No,
that is not me, because that was you for everybody else.
That was that was you for everybody. So my ballot
was actually close to what it was three There are
people voted for ten people and they honestly put a
(11:59):
turn in the ballot with ten votes.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Hall of Fame. Well you said some people like the
empty the clip. Yeah, they fucking ten votes. Everybody get in.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
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listen live.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
We had an embarrassing moment uh oh boy, yes in
the game and it involved Kirk Herbstreet, who's the color
analyst for ESPN and ABC, and uh, let's take a listen.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I'm a little emotional, you know. I I'm just fired
up for these guys. I it's you.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Know, when I call these games, I'm incredibly objective, and
I you know, I love all these Ohio state teams,
but this team, because of what they went through, Uh
to get to this point, you're just happy.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
That was minimum by the way, and that part okay, yeah,
and he stepped out of the camera site, yes, so
that he could wipe his eyes because he's crying.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean, none of that was the worst part because
Fowler's just talking and he's just off to the site.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Here we go the most embarrassing moment for a broadcaster.
And I'm dead serious. This is my big argument about
athletes in these roles because they claim that they're objective,
and they're not. They're not for him to even have
to say. And you know, when I do these games,
I'm objective. I had to say that, incredibly objective. But
(13:32):
you're crying like a baby. And here's the problem. I've
said this before, Tiki Barber, stop backing the Giants. With
Sai Kwan and Daniel Jones. He's a part. He's worn
that uniform. Kirk Kurbstreet can say whatever he wants, he's
won that uniform. To me, it would be like and
(13:53):
then they say, well, what about Joe Davis? He does
the Dodger games?
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Did Joe Davis booh when the Dodgers won the World
Series on Fox? Some people were mad, felt like he
wasn't talk exactly okay, because he's a professional. How did
Mike How did Charles Barkley lose one of his best
friends ever?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
He called out Michael Jordan. He called him out and
said terrible owner GM.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Okay, most of the players in the NBA hate Charles Barkley,
don't they?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Because the guy is honest.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yet he's one of the best analysts out there, and
a lot of these guys can't shake it. Can you
imagine if we watched the election coverage and Anderson Cooper
started boohooing because Trump won the election.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Well, I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Okay, you get what I'm saying. You can't do that
if you want to be in this business. And Kirk
curb Street, that's an embarrassing moment for for his broadcast career.
How can any coach, any player, anybody take anything he
says right seriously when he bleeds call it from Ohio State.
(15:02):
I guess sure everybody can be happy. He could be Hey,
you know, like he took it. Here's Brian let me
jump in a terrible moment. Here's my issue.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You remember what he did a few weeks ago where
he got mad so much so that he called out
his own colleagues about them and they what they saying
and called out Shannon Sharpen all them and first take
like his own colleagues about a game about a dude.
It's a first it's a debate show. They're gonna debate things,
their opinions, their opinion on the debate show that typically,
(15:34):
especially those two, they're not far reaching. They're not other
shows that say crazy asinine stuff. And you called your
own colleagues out on the air, Number one, hold on.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
That shows me you're getting too emotional in this.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You're calling people out on air, not just random while
Whoo's fans or something, you're calling out your colleagues. Dude,
that's kind of because you're to attached to that's my point.
So that's number one and is this ain't a matter
of years, whereas this is all like a few weeks.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You're calling out your colleagues.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Then you're getting emotional so much so out if you'd
have just played the table.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I thought it was Tyo, that's my quarterback. I thought
he was.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Everybody to hit me with the that's my quarterback. Nobody's
saying you can't be excited. Nobody can't. We all know
where you went to school, We understand that, we know
you have personal relationships, but you gotta hold on for
three minutes. And as they say on the streets, he
gonna cry in the car. You can cry in the car.
You can do that. If this was your last game
you ever were calling, you had a great career and
your school happened to win it, we all would get it.
(16:30):
But to say, I've been incredibly objective. You just called
out your own colleagues, called out fans who.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Justified you went to all the state.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
And after that it was witch after Ryan Day lost
the mission, That's what I say.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You know you were favored by twenty one and you
lose to Michigan unranked lost in Guinness Joe, you're one
and four against them, that's part of the job. Jim
Harbo had a heck of a career. But you know
when people kept questioning him in calling for a job.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
When he would lose Ohio State, when he took a
pint called that Michigan before he finally won the national championship.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
That's not far for us.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
So to go crazy on fans, go crazy on the
idea that Ryan day when you know the expectations what
they are, you know this and then it specifically call
out teammates and colleagues. I should say, I just I
thought that was too much coupled then with this quarterback
moment Kirk heck of a career, one of the better
broadcasts for heere But we can get punk the breaks
(17:25):
a little bit. No, like I said, I'm not saying
don't get emotional. I ain't saying that. You got to
tell them and your and the producer director in your
ear and man, go quick. We gotta need to get
out of this quick because I'm about to have a moment. Dude,
whatever you need to do.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
But you can't have that full on moment right after
you just said I'm incredibly objective. It's it was a
bad scene and if you're a TV executive that Hey,
I didn't say that. I'm saying that you lose credibility.
You can say whatever you want that they love him.
You lose credibility no matter that. And if another coach decides, wait, man,
(17:57):
you're a Ohio so you cright on the air and.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Then you say something.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
You say something now opposite Michigan, opposite Alabama.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
That's what he says. Just what y'all got. I thought
it was supposed to be fair. Do you see what
I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Like, that's what puts the network in a in a
in a weird spot.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Oh you want to do an interview with Kirkirk?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Now you know what I'm okay, he's got an Ohio
state slant.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
He cried on the air.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I've been watching sports my whole life, and this is
my big pushback on athletes ex athletes becoming broadcasters.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
It's not that they can't.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
They have a better insight on being color analysts, but
as a fan watching and listening, they're compromised.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
He just showed you on.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
The biggest broadcast of college football this year, how compromised
these guys are. They're in bed with the teams, they
have relationships and they can't.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Break away from it. So when you hear.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
From them, I'm not saying don't listen to them or
they don't have any credibility, but understand they're compromised. They're
not always gonna give you the real story, the fair story,
the accurate story. There's too many entanglements and they can't
break away from it because that's his school.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
He wants to be liked. He's not gonna rip.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
He's gonna go on there and rip Ryan day after
they lost to Michigan on the air.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
No, it won't happen.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And the best part about it too, there are some
who we love and respect who to do that. Troy Aikman.
Troy Aikman will go at the team. He'll go at
the reps and go at the league. If we just
talked about it with Patrick Mahall loved it. And Troy
Aikman will go at the Cowboys. Hey, he just said,
I don't think that's a desirable job. That's a I mean, dude,
he is literally like mister cowboy quarterback during the nineties.
(19:57):
Obviously Roger Starbuck you know, sit there too, but you
know what I mean, Like you're a cowboy than the nine.
You got three rings, and he'll go at Jerry. He
loves Jerry, but he'll keep it right. Hey, I don't
like what he do it. Hey he medals. Hey that's
not desirable. Hey, they need to be better in the offseason.
So there are people who do it correct.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
How many teams?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
How many times do you watch the pregame show and
whatever team they played on, they always picked the team
like like siahs like, why would you Let's let's skip
all very often, Let's skip this if this is what
it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And if you can't, okay, is it okay?
Speaker 4 (20:26):
You look at the matchup, your your your team, your
team you play for is banged up and the other
team is way better, right, And.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
So my only thing with that, what would be the
point on I only think.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I'm more on the on the Kirk Hurve Street side
of like you're calling the game. If you guys are
just talking smack and you're picking a game, you tongue
in cheek and say, I don't give a dag if
they hurt. I'm going with the fill in the blake.
That's my I'm okay with that because I know you're
being outrageous.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
No, you see. That doesn't bother me because I know
you're being outraged. You shouldn't do, you shouldn't do.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
They're selling me on quote incredibly objective. Yet you're going
at on the air, your on college. That to me
is what I having Kirk.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Curve Street picked every week Ohio State to win. What
I'm saying, but I'm saying, what is the point on
doing that segment if everybody's going to pick.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Their t my point.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I think a part of that is, as you mentioned,
the inside NBA, just the fun side of it, like
you're just gonna go with your team, have fun tongue
in chee. That that doesn't bother me because I know
what you're doing. But when you're supposed to be an
incredibly objective role calling a game, calling it as you
see it, and you're not, that's an issue.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Rob G.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
You watched sports for a long time. You ever see that?
I know I haven't.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I'm like, during a broadcast, I've never seen I've never
seen that. I've seen the studio guys do it a.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Cry on the on the As a national broadcaster doing
a national game, it ain't like Ohio State and never
won a national championship fourteen.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Rob g.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
This wasn't like, oh my God, like like the finally won.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
And yeah what really.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
And their expectations are for them to win it every.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Year, so it's not like this is a favorite to
win it again.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Exit right, So yeah, it was just And again I
do feel like there was a little extra sauce being
added like me and I think he. I think he
handed it up like I'm about to do you know,
how you know you're about to do something.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I think he knew I'm about to do this. Well,
it was It was bad. It was really bad.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Uh, one of the worst things I've ever seen, I
mean for real.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
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Speaker 1 (22:46):
And we are joined right now by Fred Smooth, former
NFL cornerback NFL analysts I may or may not used
to get busy with him when they were the Redskins,
not the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Right now, Fred, what's up? Man? On the NFL Madden
it was getting busy. How are you? What's up?
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Fred? That was how y'all doing man, Thanks for having
me feeling good man.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Well, other than the fact that the Commanders played a
flawless game against the line.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
No, no, no, no, Fred, he's a big time line home.
I've been telling them all year, lies we gonna do.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I picked the Commanders, he had his patties in a
bunch over it, and they went in. How surprised were
you at what the Commanders were able to do because.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I saw this coming. Don't get that, man, None of
that problem with Jared lost. But go ahead. What you
see in that game, think.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
About it is we just introduced the way up to
America's new team. And to think about we inside of
that building that we had a chance to beat them.
We got to realize it's good the Detroit Ryons are offensively.
You know, they was missing thirteen guys on defension. Sometimes
it kitches up with you when you play in a
high power like the one we have. And you got
(23:51):
to also realize we have a rookie quarterback. It's leading
the playoffs in passing percentage, passing efficiency, passing yard and
he don't turn the ball over, giving up the chance
to win any game.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
So you're trying to tell me, he's the one? Is he?
The one? Is he?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Neil?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
The may treatment.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Didn't we hear this last year about the FID I
remember this conversation a year ago.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
No, two different animals, two different animals. He won the
lord ches This one is different. Right here. You gotta
realize I said this before the year started. I say
that a group this would be the best quarterback clans
of all time. And it's because the side effect of
them going through COVID, them being able to start forty
(24:33):
fifty sixty college games. They stee the game. It's a
little slower to them than it is when the rookie
comes out and get one and a half or two
year starting. He got that a lot of football. And
this guy puts a lot of work in too. I
give him that like he puts the work in so
when he gets on the field, he's never nervous.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I about this, And I'm not trying to rain on
your parade because I love what the commanders.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Of get an umbrella, Ready for Ready Forred.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I mean, come on, there's like three or four games
that they had no business winning where they got lucky
at the end, and you know what I'm talking about,
And you wouldn't be having a different conversation because I
love I get it. You know, Uh, sports has a
short MANU wins and losses. But let's just like, let's
not get carried away. They had some things break their
(25:17):
way as well.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
Rob, Rob, Rob was a field we all be drunk
for freeze.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That's what I'll be telling them.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
No, don't you do that.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Rob.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
Like football, he is a little luck involved when the
battle is bouncing your way. You know that when you're
a team of destiny. See, people thought we were playing
with house money, but now we seem to be a
team of destiny. And you got to realize we're playing
the Philadelmia Eagles. We didn't beat those guys before we
got scared to Philly depth. We're four quarters away from
walking down Bourbon Street and drinking five time in dackers.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
And you know what the Lions were too, with a
seventeen point lead in the first half in San Francisco.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
I understand, we just beat the Lions. We just beat
the Lions, all right.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Get you ain't got to say you beat the Lions
three times in a rough friend, I got it. Fred Smoot,
our guest, former NFL cornerback NFL analyst, let's talk about
this game. The Eagles will say, hey, we got a
great defense, we got a quarterback that he doesn't have
to do too much, you know, just manage the game.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
He probably don't want to hear that.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But and then we got that boy running that's looking
like Barry Sanders two point zero, and sayn how do
you go about it? If you were still a dB
for the Commanders. What's the process? How do you stop
that offense? Specifically the running game with.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Saquon First of all, when it comes to shake pun
and try to stop in him is basically you need
to pray. Start with putting some Jesus in your life. Nick,
you got to realize that their offensive line is maam it.
The line is one of the best office lives in football.
So it's good as take Kwon Bartleys. I got to
talk about the fact that they got some guys up front,
(26:50):
this part of a moving company, and they move you
state to state if they have to. Then you got
to realize Dallas guarded over there, and you got aj
Brown and smile. But the one factor that I think
nobody's talking about Jalen Hurts is actually maybe hurting They'm
not saying nothing about it. He's not been playing, especially
when it comes to throwing the ball from the pocket.
He has not been efficient. And I'm telling you right
(27:12):
now we have a chance to get out and a
shootout on them. And I don't know how much tay
Kwan Barkley ll be if our offense start to really cook.
You gotta realize we may going through a list spread.
When we tell our plum of Transway to stay at home,
we don't even use him. But I tell you what
the familiarity of these two teams office defense expency teams wise,
it's gonna be a good game.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I just look at the Eagles with that offensive line
and that they can run the ball, they can control
the clock, cut down on possessions.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
That's the kind of game you want to play, don't
you If you're taking on Washington.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Rob may't just playoff football as a hold, you know
when he gets cold outside and you can't throw the
ball around the yard. Yes, and guess what, we have
a guy that's the great equalizer. We have Jedi five.
You had a force multiplier himself. We got a guy
there using his legs as good as anybody in the league.
If we don't design a lot of run plays for him.
(28:09):
This is naturally from the pockets. He didn't gonna think
about Jayleen that you got love. He really throws this
bert and surveys at pocket like Peyton Manning, but he
runs like Lamar Jackson. That's a scary mixture person right there.
So it's a different level when it comes to these teams.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Then, if you look at let's just say, for whatever,
the Commanders go to the Super Bowl, you gotta face
either the Bills or the Chiefs. Let's kind of break
down those two teams. Uh, the Chiefs, obviously, they just
make the right winning plays year after year.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
At the year, this is.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
What they do, and their officials look super Bowls robbed
at some point.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Can you just say they're good to great? No, I'm not.
This year they've been really lucky for you. This is
what we're talking about.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Come up with the Look, how about these guys in
the Reed and Pat Mahons just know how to win.
How About they might not be as explosive as they
were with Tyreek Hillis, might not might not get more efficient,
and they know how to win. Like when it comes
to the fourth quarter, two things out. These quarterbacks haven't
coming Jayton Daniels and Pat Mahomes. If they got the
ball last, you have lost. That's a guarantee. You could
(29:12):
take that to the casino. You won't win that money.
So at the end of the day, he's just leitha
as he's always been. How about they might be a
little bored a right, how about they more into that
mode of that old New England team that we couldn't stand.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
That's so they're so bored.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes had the worst stats of his career
across the board. Every stat line was the worst of
his career. You think that Patrick winning, You think, yeah, no,
but yeah, but it ain't. It ain't just him. He
didn't even get the team went fifteen and two when
he got no MVP votes. How is that possible? No
all pro votes if it's about Patrick mahonmes, So I'm
(29:49):
asking you to win?
Speaker 7 (29:50):
No, No, I'm just saying no, only do I have
to win games, but you want me to winning the
style points? Right now?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
They stop points. It's just the idea. How many quarterbacks
can lead a team to fifteen and two? Right, and
what and not getting All Pro vote at quarterback? How
is that possible?
Speaker 7 (30:09):
I understand that, but his stats were just not there.
The only statu he was leading in was winning games.
And that's what I'm saying. When Pat mahonons set the
bar so high, all right, man, he comes up short,
they would not re ruard him, you know what.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
That's what I'm trying to tell.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I mean, you got Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen were incredible,
Joe Burrow throwing on a million touchdowns. You knew they
were gonna take some of them, some of them votes
right there?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
All right? All right, so then give us your fight.
What's the prediction.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I mean obviously, well I'm just assuming it's go ahead
and pick Washington for you.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Well, no, I'm not being a homer when I say this.
Everything's coming out of my mouth is the truth. Now
your version is totally different. Now, this is what I say.
It's gonna be a hard, fout ball game. It's gonna
be an old NFC East rival. Knock them, bring your
right Dale helmet. But I think we prevailed in the end.
I just think we got it that the team of Destiny,
we'll prevail. But we as high scoring as people think
(31:01):
it is. I'm gonna stay Washington thirty. I'm gonna say
that Eagles twenty five, and it's gonna be walking to
New Orleans. I cannot wait.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
So you'll be there, huh.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
Most that I'm not missing this way. I haven't been there.
We hadn't done this in three decades, all right. You
know they didn't woke up but sit sleeping giant here
in Washington. We got fans all over the world. It
hadn't been New World Order. It has been different.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
It is amazing because the last time I went to
a game in Landover, they had seats covered up all
over the upper deck.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
You remember that, friend, Yeah, yeah, I remember the dark era.
I went through it. I was a part of some
of the us. I understand the pain that this this
It's like if you told us before the season we
was four quarters away from the super Bowl, nobody would
have believed in us, Nobody would have gave us a chance.
But when you get a quarterback, a guy like we have,
(31:54):
a totally game changer, it shows you what you can do.
You can turn a whole franchise around. And I ain't
gonna start They don't start there it's started with this
new ownership. It's started with coach Quinn. It's starting with Adam.
I mean, I get used to this. We ain't going
nowhere for long.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
It's funny because that's what they said with CJ. Stroud
last year, that they were going to make the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
This hip CROUDJ scrowd got hot, goy been hot.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Okay, all right, I'm just asking. All right, that's what
I remember last year. Thanks Fred, Let me tell you
Fred Smooth.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Hey, if don King need a replace with us, we are,
he gotta call Fred.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Thank you Fred.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Hey, we appreciate appreciate you anytime.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
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