January 24, 2025 • 22 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain why Dallas Cowboys fans deserve some of the blame for enabling Jerry Jones’ bad behavior over the year, tell us why they have a big problem with LeBron and Bronny James decision to turn down an invitation to do the NBA’s All-Star Game Skills Competition and discuss Patrick Mahomes’ assertion that he doesn’t get preferential treatment from NFL officials.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Rob g Let's go with the news of the day,
and we'll start there with the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, so, uh, Bill,
you gotta get the news of the day.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
We need you big news in Big d According to
a friend of the show, longtime Cowboys beat writer Clarence
Hill Junior, of course I got the Dallas Cowboys are
zeroing in on their next head coach. They said no,
thank you to Bill Belichick, Mike rabel Keon Sanders. You
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know what, we got our man. He's already in house.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
His name is.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Brian Schottenheimer, who, according to Clarence Hill, that deal is
imminent and will be finalized by Friday at the latest.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
And you know what, here we go.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
The reaction will be wowsywowsy.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Woooo dowsy, wewsy woo woo.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Because there was all this talk about Bill Belichick maybe
taking the paying the buy out to be able to
get out of his deal at North Carolina. Then there
was like, hey, Dion Sanders, we told you they were
never gonna get have a deal together, and Dion and
Jerry it was nice for them to get some likes
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and some looks on social media and everybody buzzing. I
never believe that. So Brian Schottenheimer, who yes, makes total
sense to me. But you know what, I'm gonna go
a different route today. I'm not blaming Jerry Jones. I'm
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not blaming Brian Schottenheimer. You're gonna take the job, of course.
I'm blaming the Dallas Cowboy fans.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
You deserve this.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
This is what you have allowed to continue to happen
with all these terrible coach hires. You keep going to
the games, you keep doing all the Cowboys stuff, you know,
and all that giving Jerry money. Think about this, during
the thirty years when they weren't good, they enabled Jerry
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Jones to build a bigger stadium and sell more tickets. Now,
I've seen teams and I understand when your fans derived
from the word fanatic, right, so I do understand that,
but that doesn't mean fan bases don't make owners go. No,
we're not gonna go for this because we've seen teams
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push back on ownership. That's not good. And the best one,
which is relevant right now is the Washington Command. When
I was a kid, there was a ten year waiting
list for tickets to go to a Redskins game, all right,
when they would called that back in the day.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
They go to to.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Maryland and they build that new beautiful FedEx Field or whatever.
You saw the tarps covering the top deck because fans
stopped going. They stop going. I worked in Detroit for
twenty years. Love football. People stop going, and yes they did.
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We used to have at the barbershops Sporty Cuts on
West seven Mile Road.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Did.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yes. We used to have tickets. We used to give
away two tickets to every game. We had season tickets.
Every time you got a haircut, you put in a ticket,
and a raffle ticket at the end near when they
went going on sixteen the next year, we tried to
give those tickets away. We called people, hey, you won whatever,
Hey do you have a pizza or a T shirt
or something?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
They didn't want the tickets.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And you know New Orleans the Saints, they were the
Aints and people wore paper bags over their heads. Okay,
all I'm saying is, Dallas, cowboy America. You deserve this
because you're the enabler of Jerry Jones. You have made
his franchise bigger, stronger, richer by your engagement. And you
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could continuing to buy tickets and be engaged in that franchise.
And that's why Jerry doesn't feel compelled to go out
and get the best coach to make the right move
to go sign Derek. Can we and and not say
he don't have money for that? Think about it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Stup, you just touched on something and I was gonna
do we went about it in a different way. If
I told you all of the failures that this person did,
this general manager, this general manager will get fired. You
remember the fire Matt Millen era in Detroit, right, A
milling Man million Man March is so, for those who
don't know, in Detroit, there was a million man march
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where thousands of people fans of the Lions walked out
of the get out of a game. They marched down
the street and and in order to get Matt Millan
to understand his time to go and the Ford family
to let him go. That's how bad it had gotten.
And as Rob said, in the city that loves football,
but it had had enough. I say that to say,
if I told you the resume of what a particular
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GM had been doing lately, you would say on paper, oh,
that GM has to go.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
You brought up a few things.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
If I told you this GM gave Dak Prescott all
that money that early, you would say, oh, he was
wild and giving him that money because the same people
wouldn't want to give that same money to Sam Darnold.
That same people wouldn't want to give that money to
Brock Party, who has had a better playoff run career
than Dak. They don't want to give him that money.
So you would say that GM's crazy. If I told
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you that MGM had a chance to get Dereck Henry,
who is now one of the offensive Player of the
Year candidates, who, by the way, said I want to
stay in Texas, hint, hint, decided to spend the block
like an old girlfriend and go get Ezekiel Elliott, you
would say that what that GM has to go? The
GM held off paying CD Lamb so much so that
it jammed up the money again ultimately to what ended
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up paying CD Lamb. So and then goes on continues
to hire coaches that are mediocre.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Let's look at you. Look at you look at.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Marty not Marty Schottenheimer, Brian Schottenheimer, or you wish he
was Marty almost.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Right, you look ause he can't win a playoff. He
couldn't win the playoffs issue.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You look at his his his resume been doing, you know,
offensive coordinator on and off for a bit, top five
he for five times he finished in the top ten offenses,
another top five years he finished in the last ten
of the league.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
So it's not like he has a track record of
being great.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And in other years where the teams were actually good
in Dallas where he's been a part of it, he
wasn't calling the plays. So what what makes you feel
like the number one franchise in the NFL at least
how you view it in popularity and money and money?
We know that what makes it this is the guy
when you toyed around with Mike McCarthy, who if I
was his agent, I would say, got you twelve and
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I've got three years in a row took you to
the postseason, had you know, underwhelming postseason performances. But you
see we're building this year being anomaly because of the injuries.
You kept him around for a year. Lame duck. You
had a chance to go talk to Bill Belichick. You
don't comes find out Bill Belichick Goo, I would.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Have taken it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Why why you ain't shoot your boy a call? You
played around with Mike McCarthy, you're playing around with Dion.
You let Aaron Glenn go, Ben Johnson go. You didn't
get Mike McCarthy. You let Rabel go. Miss Rabel Like,
I genuinely don't know what this GM would do. And
this GM will be fired if this GM wasn't owner.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
There's no doubt about it. But you get my point
about the fans that's not great, Like your point, y'all
have to demand more.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Right like, think about it, during the thirty years they
haven't been to an NFC championship game, they actually have
built a bigger stadium for more.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Fans to come. Think about that. That's crazy and reversus
what happened in Washington and.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It thing you over thirty five years or whatever it's been,
and they got covered up seats in DC.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Think about think about it. I do believe he is fortunate.
If I said to any of you, Rob, g Rob Parker, Alex,
what's the most crazed football state in this country? Every
I saw you mouthed Robber, everybody would say Texas. I
do think he benefits from being in Texas. I get
it because if he was in Arizona, Nevada, Minnesota or
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something and this was happening, you would get the paperbags,
you would get to this. But because he sold the
brand and he's you know, of the Cowboys, and he
is a in a football possessed state.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
I think he benefits because of that.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Now, I understand that. But I'm giving you, but you're Washington,
a football crazy. You can't tell me that. Those people,
I mean had a great run in the eighty a
great run. So that's why I'm saying they did it.
They stopped coming. They just they said enough.
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Speaker 5 (09:08):
I wanted to go back.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
We were talking about Lebron and Brody both passing on
the Skills Challenge and the NBA All Star Weekend. One
of the things that I've always been upset with when
it comes to Bron and I know he's heard it
at gazillion times, but just never doing the dunk contest.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
And even Michael Jordan, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Did it at least twice? I know that for sure
it might have been three times. Rob g might have
been thrice. Kobe did it. I mean, it's just doctor
j did it passes for the guys who were great,
and Lebron somewhere got in his head that like it
would hurt me more to lose than we have to gain.
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And and sometimes yes, it's an exhibition dude, if you look,
first of all, if you lose, that means you're gonna
lose some historic and saying dunk contest that we all
will appreciate, you know, like Aaron Gordon has lost a
couple of times, but many people believe he's won because
Zach Levine won.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
It was great.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
It was like, Wow, this was an amazing dunk contest.
Dominique and Jordan two times they went at it. It
was amazing to see. And sometimes that's the thing like
Lebron is so calculated, so thought out, so alright, but
if I do this and then if I lose, then
everybody might be upset if I lose, But then just
do a dunk contest. And now obviously he's too old.
But when it was like twenty two to thirty, would
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have been amazing.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
To see Lebron.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Then he trolled I remember he was trolling us, where
either this whole thing of like showing all the videos
of the dunks he would do, pregame, throwing it off,
the twenty four second shot, clock tip, dunk reverse and
all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
So he was trolling us. But that's one of the things,
like man, I think he.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Set the tone for like the very mindful of the
brand and the corporate and the and you know, if
you do this, what's gonna lose and gain? And he
kind of set us back a little bit because then
it became the cool thing to not do it, you
know what I mean, that's where we stopped getting the
big time stars, like how's Zion not done it?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Zion in the eighties and nineties would in the first
thing he did, Vince Carter rig time start, That's what
he was known for in college.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Right, well, we had Zion with somehow it wouldn't be
making but at Edwards, Ja moran Zion Lebron like, are.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
You kidding me?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
These would be the We would be clamoring to see
at Edwards go up against Ja Morant Zion and then
you know, maybe always like a rookie guy he never
heard of. That would be an incredible dunk contest. But
again calculated, if I do it, what's again the game?
I'm already biggest celebrity. Well if I lose everybody making it,
they'd be laugh at me to make an even bigger
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deal if I look, just do it?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Do you believe that's the Bronni thing?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Why they won't just have fun with it?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I think actually it's more Lebron than Brownni because if
Lebron he would want to do it. Yeah, I think,
you know, we don't have expectations, not like, oh, he's
supposed to be great. We all know he's not great.
So if he goes out there he's eighteen, nineteen, twenty
years or whatever he is, we would Lebron if he'd
be worried that what if I don't hit the you know,
get the ball the little bounce passed through the hole.
What if I you know, they got to make that shot.
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What if I miss the shot five times in a row.
Lebron thinks about those things. He cares about those things.
Sometimes I wish he didn't. I wish I would. Sometimes
I wish he didn't give a blank more. Uh, you can't,
you know, kind of recreate who you are. But because
I think it holds him back sometimes from some things.
And again in that case ribs us to fans what
could have been a great done contest some years ago.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
But that's how I think plays.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
A role in this, you know, this thing like things
where I'm not going to be in a control situation
where I know I'm not going to be going.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
He can't get right right, he can't control that that
situation and all eyes on him and instead of having
fun mode more tight something may never make an All
Star all that all right in the All Stars once
Lebron retires.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Percent So yeah, I'm just like man, sometimes I wish
he wasn't so calculated and you know, overly thought about it.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Just go have fun.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's like Steph Curry never wanted to get into three
point contest. What I miss about like, no, Steph, you're
the best shooter. We want to see it.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
He's done it. Him and Claywan added a couple of times.
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Speaker 5 (13:16):
Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs uh frick.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
So Patrick was asked about whether or not he's getting
favorable calls or the Chiefs are getting calls or whatever.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Let's hear Patrick Mahomes talk about it.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
So that.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
His favorite song was he says, songs about Rambow Wow,
you go.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
I don't feel that way. I mean, I just try to.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Play, and it was too good playing again, it's.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Not that easy being green, having to spend each day.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
I don't feel that way.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I mean, I just try to play football. At the
end of the day. The referees are doing their best
to call the games as fair and as proper as
they possibly can, and all you can do is go
out there and play the game that you love as
hard as you can and live with the results. And
so so I think that's that's what we preach here.
In Kansas City, and you get new referees every year,
you get new circumstances, and he never can and you
never can really tell because that every play is different,
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and that's what makes the NFL so special. And so
I feel like I've just continued to play the game
and I just try to win, and whatever happens kind
of happens.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
We get it. But but and I didn't expect him
to come clean.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But when Troy Aikman goes off on a playoff game,
seriously didn't have to do that.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
He could have just sat there and been like, just
go through whatever they cat He was.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Fed up from watching it, because fans are fed up
from watching it, and Patrick Mahomes can sit there on.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
I don't really think so. I remember Michael Jordan fouled
a guy.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
And was asked after the game, right he pushed them
and there was no foul call, and they asked, Michael Jordan,
did you foul them? He goes, I fouled them, What
do you want me to They didn't call it. He
they just acknowledged it. Because we know people get calls.
Tom Brady got calls, Oh my god, you better not
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touch Tom Brady at all roughing the passer, Like how
many times they get bailed out on a roughing the
passer call.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Which is why it's hilarious that Tom now like gets
mad about Tom's three lad you used to get it.
You got so many beneficiary calls. Uh you know, and
and and you go crazy if a guy touched you
and let me say this, and then I want you
to jump.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
We should be.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Celebrating Patrick Mahomes, Andy Weid Kelsey, the cheese all that
we should on what they are in the cusp of
trying to do win three in a row that nobody's
ever done.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
And because it's so many key mousey with the calls that.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
They get the way that they won games, people are
looking at the Chiefs like that they really aren't because
it's hard to embrace when you think they're getting special treatment.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Well, they've caught fans.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I'm talking about not the team that's playing them, obviously
you're rooting game. I'm talking about just the football fans
who are watching a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
So what's interesting is they have now crossed into that
territory of where they get hate watch. So they get
loved and they get hate watched so the most watched
team in the NFL. Now for the last few seasons,
people are saying, are they America's favorite team? Not just
simply literally because they love them, but also because of
the hate watch, And this is what happens. Patrick Mahomes
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also said that he knew we're gonna start to become
the villains. He had he said this last year, We're
gonna start to become the villains. We're gonna start to
become the people that, you know, the team that fans
root against, they're tired of, they hope that they lose.
And that's where that's where we've gotten with the Chiefs. Now,
part of that comes with this. Part of the reason
why he gets the calls is because he's always in
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marquee games, in big games, so we see the calls
and there's some validity too. If you look at the
playoff games, they're like fifty percent less calls against the
Chiefs than there are the teams in which they play. Again,
there's like thirty four and versus like nearly sixty six
or something like that cause a penalty flag, So they
definitely are getting more penalties and fae in their favor
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than the teams they play against. But part of that
to me is again we see them more because they're
on big games. They're in primetime games, so we see
the agreed just non calls that maybe if Baker Mayfield
got you didn't see because it was a random Sunday
and the Bucks might not have been on a big
time television. But Brady got it, Peyton Manny got it,
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Michael Jordan got it. It is a byproduct of success
by you being an individual, or also a byproduct of
your team being that good.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
That's what happens.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Also, people are tired of Pat Mahomes and then Gang
two because it's everything that comes with winning. You get
more commercials, you get the girl in this case, you
get Taylor Swift, she's every ten minutes.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
We got to see her.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
You get podcasts now, you got the Chelsea Brothers, got
the podcast, you get this, You got Patrick Mahomes's brother
annoying everybody.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
So once you start winning, I've seen him, I know,
I think he might have to talk like, hey, bro,
I have not seen him. I'm dead series. I don't
know if he had a revelation. I don't know if
he had to come to Jesus moment. But but you
get what I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So now you're getting favorable calls, you're winning all the time,
you got podcast girlfriends, commercial you just become something where
people get tired of you. And it happens with the Patriots,
happened with the lovable, doubable Splash Brothers. Then they became
the villains, and that's just an inevitability.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
So he can have a study. I'm just going out
there and playing hard. Da da da da.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
He is putting extra sauce on it. He's putting an
NFL version of a flop like soccer players do, like
star players in the NBA. Dude, James Hard and Lebron
guys go out there and flop a little bit. Patrick
Mahomes is doing that too, and he knows subconsciously what
he means to the league.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
They need me, they want me in the big games.
So let me go ahead and get this extra call.
And he just playing up to it. It's like it's
like James.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Harden, Oh, another line, but I'm gonna get the car,
go knock down hey stethrows.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
But when people see that the same way they react
to flopping and Lebron or whatever, it cheapens you a
little bit that you're looking for help when you don't
when you're that talented. And I think that's the part
that rubs people the wrong way. You're already talented. You've
already won three super Bowls, right like like what more
do you need?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Now?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
You got to go fall out like like they just
pushed you out or they hurt you or something like.
It just it's a cheap act that that Patrick Mahomes
doesn't need.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
He doesn't need it.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
That's a faded I think what you're seeing is I'm
willing to do whatever at all costs, even if I
have to ridicule from the face.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I get that your I get that. But that's when
you become so obsessed with winning. But being a flopper.
People are like, oh, here goes again.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
But I think you except when he falls down, it's
always like he grabbed something in.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
This life it's too extreme.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Okay, yeah he did hit your head a little bit,
but you act like like, oh yeah, I hate you
with a bag and I think it's just any cost.
I'll do whatever it takes to win, including a little
gamesmanship if you will, or a little little that.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
But let me tell you what it is too. It's
that old adage you either die a hero or live
long enough to be a villain.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And Patrick Mahomes, Kelsey, Andy Reid and that and the
Chiefs have now become the villain portion of their dynasty.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
They're in that. That just is just part of it.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
They are now in that, you know, in the we
we didn't die hero, because every dynasty is still going.
We've lived long enough, we played long enough, We've won
long enough to become a villain.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, I get that, but I think that you could
root for that team if you felt like a they
were still playing at a high level and not be
lucky and everything goes their way. And because I get that,
winning with winning teams, people root against you if you're
the Yankees or the Lakers or the Celtics or whatever.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Dude, I get it. I'm not I'm not trying to
be naive to that.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
But and the Dodgers on that if they win this year,
like you know, a National League team has not back
to back World Series win since the seventy five seventy
six Reds, which is crazy. So if they win again,
and people going to start to hate the Dodgers because look,
at what all the money exactly, so you start to
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hate them. But you don't want players of that ILK
to be faking it, like you know what I mean,
anything in life where you're faking it, no matter where
situation you're in, Am I right?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Like?
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Are you? Are you really enjoying yourself? Are you faking it?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Like?
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Like that doesn't feel good to you?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
He puts all the pressure on the refs to get
it right and to not make a call or make
a call on the arguably most popular player in all
of the NFL.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
You know, absolutely, I don't know what you're saying over there,
but I'm just saying
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Rob g Let's go with the news of the day,
and we'll start there with the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, so, uh, Bill,
you gotta get the news of the day.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
We need you big news in Big d According to
a friend of the show, longtime Cowboys beat writer Clarence
Hill Junior, of course I got the Dallas Cowboys are
zeroing in on their next head coach. They said no,
thank you to Bill Belichick, Mike rabel Keon Sanders. You
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know what, we got our man. He's already in house.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
His name is.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Brian Schottenheimer, who, according to Clarence Hill, that deal is
imminent and will be finalized by Friday at the latest.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
And you know what, here we go.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
The reaction will be wowsywowsy.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Woooo dowsy, wewsy woo woo.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Because there was all this talk about Bill Belichick maybe
taking the paying the buy out to be able to
get out of his deal at North Carolina. Then there
was like, hey, Dion Sanders, we told you they were
never gonna get have a deal together, and Dion and
Jerry it was nice for them to get some likes
(01:39):
and some looks on social media and everybody buzzing. I
never believe that. So Brian Schottenheimer, who yes, makes total
sense to me. But you know what, I'm gonna go
a different route today. I'm not blaming Jerry Jones. I'm
(01:59):
not blaming Brian Schottenheimer. You're gonna take the job, of course.
I'm blaming the Dallas Cowboy fans.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
You deserve this.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
This is what you have allowed to continue to happen
with all these terrible coach hires. You keep going to
the games, you keep doing all the Cowboys stuff, you know,
and all that giving Jerry money. Think about this, during
the thirty years when they weren't good, they enabled Jerry
(02:30):
Jones to build a bigger stadium and sell more tickets. Now,
I've seen teams and I understand when your fans derived
from the word fanatic, right, so I do understand that,
but that doesn't mean fan bases don't make owners go. No,
we're not gonna go for this because we've seen teams
(02:50):
push back on ownership. That's not good. And the best one,
which is relevant right now is the Washington Command. When
I was a kid, there was a ten year waiting
list for tickets to go to a Redskins game, all right,
when they would called that back in the day.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
They go to to.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Maryland and they build that new beautiful FedEx Field or whatever.
You saw the tarps covering the top deck because fans
stopped going. They stop going. I worked in Detroit for
twenty years. Love football. People stop going, and yes they did.
(03:32):
We used to have at the barbershops Sporty Cuts on
West seven Mile Road.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Did.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yes. We used to have tickets. We used to give
away two tickets to every game. We had season tickets.
Every time you got a haircut, you put in a ticket,
and a raffle ticket at the end near when they
went going on sixteen the next year, we tried to
give those tickets away. We called people, hey, you won whatever,
Hey do you have a pizza or a T shirt
or something?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
They didn't want the tickets.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And you know New Orleans the Saints, they were the
Aints and people wore paper bags over their heads. Okay,
all I'm saying is, Dallas, cowboy America. You deserve this
because you're the enabler of Jerry Jones. You have made
his franchise bigger, stronger, richer by your engagement. And you
(04:18):
could continuing to buy tickets and be engaged in that franchise.
And that's why Jerry doesn't feel compelled to go out
and get the best coach to make the right move
to go sign Derek. Can we and and not say
he don't have money for that? Think about it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Stup, you just touched on something and I was gonna
do we went about it in a different way. If
I told you all of the failures that this person did,
this general manager, this general manager will get fired. You
remember the fire Matt Millen era in Detroit, right, A
milling Man million Man March is so, for those who
don't know, in Detroit, there was a million man march
(04:54):
where thousands of people fans of the Lions walked out
of the get out of a game. They marched down
the street and and in order to get Matt Millan
to understand his time to go and the Ford family
to let him go. That's how bad it had gotten.
And as Rob said, in the city that loves football,
but it had had enough. I say that to say,
if I told you the resume of what a particular
(05:14):
GM had been doing lately, you would say on paper, oh,
that GM has to go.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
You brought up a few things.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
If I told you this GM gave Dak Prescott all
that money that early, you would say, oh, he was
wild and giving him that money because the same people
wouldn't want to give that same money to Sam Darnold.
That same people wouldn't want to give that money to
Brock Party, who has had a better playoff run career
than Dak. They don't want to give him that money.
So you would say that GM's crazy. If I told
(05:41):
you that MGM had a chance to get Dereck Henry,
who is now one of the offensive Player of the
Year candidates, who, by the way, said I want to
stay in Texas, hint, hint, decided to spend the block
like an old girlfriend and go get Ezekiel Elliott, you
would say that what that GM has to go? The
GM held off paying CD Lamb so much so that
it jammed up the money again ultimately to what ended
(06:04):
up paying CD Lamb. So and then goes on continues
to hire coaches that are mediocre.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Let's look at you. Look at you look at.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Marty not Marty Schottenheimer, Brian Schottenheimer, or you wish he
was Marty almost.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Right, you look ause he can't win a playoff. He
couldn't win the playoffs issue.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You look at his his his resume been doing, you know,
offensive coordinator on and off for a bit, top five
he for five times he finished in the top ten offenses,
another top five years he finished in the last ten
of the league.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
So it's not like he has a track record of
being great.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And in other years where the teams were actually good
in Dallas where he's been a part of it, he
wasn't calling the plays. So what what makes you feel
like the number one franchise in the NFL at least
how you view it in popularity and money and money?
We know that what makes it this is the guy
when you toyed around with Mike McCarthy, who if I
was his agent, I would say, got you twelve and
(07:00):
I've got three years in a row took you to
the postseason, had you know, underwhelming postseason performances. But you
see we're building this year being anomaly because of the injuries.
You kept him around for a year. Lame duck. You
had a chance to go talk to Bill Belichick. You
don't comes find out Bill Belichick Goo, I would.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Have taken it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Why why you ain't shoot your boy a call? You
played around with Mike McCarthy, you're playing around with Dion.
You let Aaron Glenn go, Ben Johnson go. You didn't
get Mike McCarthy. You let Rabel go. Miss Rabel Like,
I genuinely don't know what this GM would do. And
this GM will be fired if this GM wasn't owner.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
There's no doubt about it. But you get my point
about the fans that's not great, Like your point, y'all
have to demand more.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Right like, think about it, during the thirty years they
haven't been to an NFC championship game, they actually have
built a bigger stadium for more.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Fans to come. Think about that. That's crazy and reversus
what happened in Washington and.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It thing you over thirty five years or whatever it's been,
and they got covered up seats in DC.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Think about think about it. I do believe he is fortunate.
If I said to any of you, Rob, g Rob Parker, Alex,
what's the most crazed football state in this country? Every
I saw you mouthed Robber, everybody would say Texas. I
do think he benefits from being in Texas. I get
it because if he was in Arizona, Nevada, Minnesota or
(08:27):
something and this was happening, you would get the paperbags,
you would get to this. But because he sold the
brand and he's you know, of the Cowboys, and he
is a in a football possessed state.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
I think he benefits because of that.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Now, I understand that. But I'm giving you, but you're Washington,
a football crazy. You can't tell me that. Those people,
I mean had a great run in the eighty a
great run. So that's why I'm saying they did it.
They stopped coming. They just they said enough.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
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Speaker 5 (09:08):
I wanted to go back.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
We were talking about Lebron and Brody both passing on
the Skills Challenge and the NBA All Star Weekend. One
of the things that I've always been upset with when
it comes to Bron and I know he's heard it
at gazillion times, but just never doing the dunk contest.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
And even Michael Jordan, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Did it at least twice? I know that for sure
it might have been three times. Rob g might have
been thrice. Kobe did it. I mean, it's just doctor
j did it passes for the guys who were great,
and Lebron somewhere got in his head that like it
would hurt me more to lose than we have to gain.
(09:47):
And and sometimes yes, it's an exhibition dude, if you look,
first of all, if you lose, that means you're gonna
lose some historic and saying dunk contest that we all
will appreciate, you know, like Aaron Gordon has lost a
couple of times, but many people believe he's won because
Zach Levine won.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
It was great.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
It was like, Wow, this was an amazing dunk contest.
Dominique and Jordan two times they went at it. It
was amazing to see. And sometimes that's the thing like
Lebron is so calculated, so thought out, so alright, but
if I do this and then if I lose, then
everybody might be upset if I lose, But then just
do a dunk contest. And now obviously he's too old.
But when it was like twenty two to thirty, would
(10:28):
have been amazing.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
To see Lebron.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Then he trolled I remember he was trolling us, where
either this whole thing of like showing all the videos
of the dunks he would do, pregame, throwing it off,
the twenty four second shot, clock tip, dunk reverse and
all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
So he was trolling us. But that's one of the things,
like man, I think he.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Set the tone for like the very mindful of the
brand and the corporate and the and you know, if
you do this, what's gonna lose and gain? And he
kind of set us back a little bit because then
it became the cool thing to not do it, you
know what I mean, that's where we stopped getting the
big time stars, like how's Zion not done it?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Zion in the eighties and nineties would in the first
thing he did, Vince Carter rig time start, That's what
he was known for in college.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Right, well, we had Zion with somehow it wouldn't be
making but at Edwards, Ja moran Zion Lebron like, are.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
You kidding me?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
These would be the We would be clamoring to see
at Edwards go up against Ja Morant Zion and then
you know, maybe always like a rookie guy he never
heard of. That would be an incredible dunk contest. But
again calculated, if I do it, what's again the game?
I'm already biggest celebrity. Well if I lose everybody making it,
they'd be laugh at me to make an even bigger
(11:39):
deal if I look, just do it?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Do you believe that's the Bronni thing?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Why they won't just have fun with it?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I think actually it's more Lebron than Brownni because if
Lebron he would want to do it. Yeah, I think,
you know, we don't have expectations, not like, oh, he's
supposed to be great. We all know he's not great.
So if he goes out there he's eighteen, nineteen, twenty
years or whatever he is, we would Lebron if he'd
be worried that what if I don't hit the you know,
get the ball the little bounce passed through the hole.
What if I you know, they got to make that shot.
(12:07):
What if I miss the shot five times in a row.
Lebron thinks about those things. He cares about those things.
Sometimes I wish he didn't. I wish I would. Sometimes
I wish he didn't give a blank more. Uh, you can't,
you know, kind of recreate who you are. But because
I think it holds him back sometimes from some things.
And again in that case ribs us to fans what
could have been a great done contest some years ago.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
But that's how I think plays.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
A role in this, you know, this thing like things
where I'm not going to be in a control situation
where I know I'm not going to be going.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
He can't get right right, he can't control that that
situation and all eyes on him and instead of having
fun mode more tight something may never make an All
Star all that all right in the All Stars once
Lebron retires.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Percent So yeah, I'm just like man, sometimes I wish
he wasn't so calculated and you know, overly thought about it.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Just go have fun.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's like Steph Curry never wanted to get into three
point contest. What I miss about like, no, Steph, you're
the best shooter. We want to see it.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
He's done it. Him and Claywan added a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
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Speaker 5 (13:16):
Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs uh frick.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
So Patrick was asked about whether or not he's getting
favorable calls or the Chiefs are getting calls or whatever.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Let's hear Patrick Mahomes talk about it.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
So that.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
His favorite song was he says, songs about Rambow Wow,
you go.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
I don't feel that way. I mean, I just try to.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Play, and it was too good playing again, it's.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Not that easy being green, having to spend each day.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
I don't feel that way.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I mean, I just try to play football. At the
end of the day. The referees are doing their best
to call the games as fair and as proper as
they possibly can, and all you can do is go
out there and play the game that you love as
hard as you can and live with the results. And
so so I think that's that's what we preach here.
In Kansas City, and you get new referees every year,
you get new circumstances, and he never can and you
never can really tell because that every play is different,
(14:21):
and that's what makes the NFL so special. And so
I feel like I've just continued to play the game
and I just try to win, and whatever happens kind
of happens.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
We get it. But but and I didn't expect him
to come clean.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But when Troy Aikman goes off on a playoff game,
seriously didn't have to do that.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
He could have just sat there and been like, just
go through whatever they cat He was.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Fed up from watching it, because fans are fed up
from watching it, and Patrick Mahomes can sit there on.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
I don't really think so. I remember Michael Jordan fouled
a guy.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
And was asked after the game, right he pushed them
and there was no foul call, and they asked, Michael Jordan,
did you foul them? He goes, I fouled them, What
do you want me to They didn't call it. He
they just acknowledged it. Because we know people get calls.
Tom Brady got calls, Oh my god, you better not
(15:19):
touch Tom Brady at all roughing the passer, Like how
many times they get bailed out on a roughing the
passer call.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Which is why it's hilarious that Tom now like gets
mad about Tom's three lad you used to get it.
You got so many beneficiary calls. Uh you know, and
and and you go crazy if a guy touched you
and let me say this, and then I want you
to jump.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
We should be.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Celebrating Patrick Mahomes, Andy Weid Kelsey, the cheese all that
we should on what they are in the cusp of
trying to do win three in a row that nobody's
ever done.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
And because it's so many key mousey with the calls that.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
They get the way that they won games, people are
looking at the Chiefs like that they really aren't because
it's hard to embrace when you think they're getting special treatment.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Well, they've caught fans.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I'm talking about not the team that's playing them, obviously
you're rooting game. I'm talking about just the football fans
who are watching a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
So what's interesting is they have now crossed into that
territory of where they get hate watch. So they get
loved and they get hate watched so the most watched
team in the NFL. Now for the last few seasons,
people are saying, are they America's favorite team? Not just
simply literally because they love them, but also because of
the hate watch, And this is what happens. Patrick Mahomes
(16:45):
also said that he knew we're gonna start to become
the villains. He had he said this last year, We're
gonna start to become the villains. We're gonna start to
become the people that, you know, the team that fans
root against, they're tired of, they hope that they lose.
And that's where that's where we've gotten with the Chiefs. Now,
part of that comes with this. Part of the reason
why he gets the calls is because he's always in
(17:07):
marquee games, in big games, so we see the calls
and there's some validity too. If you look at the
playoff games, they're like fifty percent less calls against the
Chiefs than there are the teams in which they play. Again,
there's like thirty four and versus like nearly sixty six
or something like that cause a penalty flag, So they
definitely are getting more penalties and fae in their favor
(17:30):
than the teams they play against. But part of that
to me is again we see them more because they're
on big games. They're in primetime games, so we see
the agreed just non calls that maybe if Baker Mayfield
got you didn't see because it was a random Sunday
and the Bucks might not have been on a big
time television. But Brady got it, Peyton Manny got it,
(17:50):
Michael Jordan got it. It is a byproduct of success
by you being an individual, or also a byproduct of
your team being that good.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
That's what happens.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Also, people are tired of Pat Mahomes and then Gang
two because it's everything that comes with winning. You get
more commercials, you get the girl in this case, you
get Taylor Swift, she's every ten minutes.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
We got to see her.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
You get podcasts now, you got the Chelsea Brothers, got
the podcast, you get this, You got Patrick Mahomes's brother
annoying everybody.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
So once you start winning, I've seen him, I know,
I think he might have to talk like, hey, bro,
I have not seen him. I'm dead series. I don't
know if he had a revelation. I don't know if
he had to come to Jesus moment. But but you
get what I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So now you're getting favorable calls, you're winning all the time,
you got podcast girlfriends, commercial you just become something where
people get tired of you. And it happens with the Patriots,
happened with the lovable, doubable Splash Brothers. Then they became
the villains, and that's just an inevitability.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
So he can have a study. I'm just going out
there and playing hard. Da da da da.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
He is putting extra sauce on it. He's putting an
NFL version of a flop like soccer players do, like
star players in the NBA. Dude, James Hard and Lebron
guys go out there and flop a little bit. Patrick
Mahomes is doing that too, and he knows subconsciously what
he means to the league.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
They need me, they want me in the big games.
So let me go ahead and get this extra call.
And he just playing up to it. It's like it's
like James.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Harden, Oh, another line, but I'm gonna get the car,
go knock down hey stethrows.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
But when people see that the same way they react
to flopping and Lebron or whatever, it cheapens you a
little bit that you're looking for help when you don't
when you're that talented. And I think that's the part
that rubs people the wrong way. You're already talented. You've
already won three super Bowls, right like like what more
do you need?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Now?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
You got to go fall out like like they just
pushed you out or they hurt you or something like.
It just it's a cheap act that that Patrick Mahomes
doesn't need.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
He doesn't need it.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
That's a faded I think what you're seeing is I'm
willing to do whatever at all costs, even if I
have to ridicule from the face.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I get that your I get that. But that's when
you become so obsessed with winning. But being a flopper.
People are like, oh, here goes again.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
But I think you except when he falls down, it's
always like he grabbed something in.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
This life it's too extreme.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Okay, yeah he did hit your head a little bit,
but you act like like, oh yeah, I hate you
with a bag and I think it's just any cost.
I'll do whatever it takes to win, including a little
gamesmanship if you will, or a little little that.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
But let me tell you what it is too. It's
that old adage you either die a hero or live
long enough to be a villain.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And Patrick Mahomes, Kelsey, Andy Reid and that and the
Chiefs have now become the villain portion of their dynasty.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
They're in that. That just is just part of it.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
They are now in that, you know, in the we
we didn't die hero, because every dynasty is still going.
We've lived long enough, we played long enough, We've won
long enough to become a villain.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, I get that, but I think that you could
root for that team if you felt like a they
were still playing at a high level and not be
lucky and everything goes their way. And because I get that,
winning with winning teams, people root against you if you're
the Yankees or the Lakers or the Celtics or whatever.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Dude, I get it. I'm not I'm not trying to
be naive to that.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
But and the Dodgers on that if they win this year,
like you know, a National League team has not back
to back World Series win since the seventy five seventy
six Reds, which is crazy. So if they win again,
and people going to start to hate the Dodgers because look,
at what all the money exactly, so you start to
(21:40):
hate them. But you don't want players of that ILK
to be faking it, like you know what I mean,
anything in life where you're faking it, no matter where
situation you're in, Am I right?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Like?
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Are you? Are you really enjoying yourself? Are you faking it?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Like?
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Like that doesn't feel good to you?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
He puts all the pressure on the refs to get
it right and to not make a call or make
a call on the arguably most popular player in all
of the NFL.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
You know, absolutely, I don't know what you're saying over there,
but I'm just saying
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