January 27, 2025 • 35 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether or not sports fans should be rooting for a Kansas City Chiefs three-peat, explain why the Las Vegas Raiders made a mistake by hiring 73-year-old Pete Carroll to be their next head coach and tell us if it’s fair to say that Patrick Mahomes has no real rival in today’s NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
But let's talk about the Chiefs, because that's the whole
point of this whole conversation. And for me, this playoff series,
of this NFL playoffs this year comes down to ABC
for me, anybody but Chiefs. That's where I'm at, and
I know that I'm not the only one. ABC is
what I want. I want ABC for this weekend. I
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would love for the Buffalo Bills to beat, finally beat
this fraudulent dynasty that we're calling the chief because my goodness, gracious, I've.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Never seen a team.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
That should be revered and people like going, oh my God,
I can't believe what I'm watching. Instead it's like, oh,
somehow they won again. I don't know how they won.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
They won again.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Somehow you have a quarterback who the last two years,
Rob g Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe Patrick Mahomes
has one All Pro vote in the last two years
when he's won. Maybe he's had one vote. This year
he had a team that was fifteen and two and
had none. Like, what are the odds of that? I'm
just asking you, Kelvin, the odds. No, if you're that
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great like a team.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Usually they reward you just be like almost out of
just I have to do. Yeah, you're the leader, lead
the team. All right.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
It's just I agree with that, and I think it's weird.
And then the other part that has come along is
now fans, not just the teams that fans that are
playing the Chiefs, but people who are just football fans watching,
going look at this call. I mean, we had Troy
Aikman not an hour later or thirty minutes later, he goes, oh,
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you know, when I think about it, maybe that wasn't
the This is like live action where he's disgusted at
the call. So I think that there's a lot of
things rolling there, and I just think I'm tired of
the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I'd rather see somebody else.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
This is not.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Something that I want to see. I do not want
to see them win three in a row. I don't
want them to etch their name in NFL lore because
the last two years. Last year, they weren't the best
team all year until guests win the day they won
the super Bowl where people had to give it to them.
They weren't the best team this year despite their record,
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and they won't be the best team until they win
the super Bowl and then people will have to give
it to them. This is not the team that I
want to beat to have this be the first team
to win three in a row.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
That okay, multiple points one I actually believe it or not.
Can understand why you would say that. Right. People are
tired of them. They've won a bunch. You feel like
they've been winning a bunch of games by the hair,
you know, the chinny chin chin. I understand that. But
my one question, first question would be, I don't know
if there's a team that Rod Parker would want to
see win three anyway, because if this was so and
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so they won two out of three e or we're
trying to win three in a row now, you wouldn't
want to see them either. So I don't know if
there is a single team on God's Green Earth that
Rob Parker will want to see I continue the last
the last dynasty. Go ahead. I'll let you go go ahead. Yeah.
So I don't think you and and maybe you're not
even alone. Maybe people just don't want to see that.
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Here's the thing though, the Chiefs at a certain point,
if I kept having number one hits, wouldn't you just
call me a superstar? If Michael Jackson just had hit
after hit and romans that performers, he is what he is,
He's a superstar. And I think you're ignoring the Chiefs
where you're calling them fraudulent. They literally have won Robin
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every multitude away. They have won being down ten in
every game on a playoff run, including the super Bowl.
They won that way. They have been up on people.
They've won that way. They used to score major points
thirty forty a game. It was insane. We loved it.
Pat Mahomes throwing five thousand yards. They won that way.
Patrick Mahomes throwing at his lowest rate, lowest numbers ever.
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They win that way. They've gone from an offensive team
to a very very good defensive team. So to me,
I can't call that a fraud. You just make it hits.
You're just Michael Jackson, you're just Whitney Houston, you're just Madonna,
You're just Elton John At a certain point, I can't
call you that as if you're a one hit wonder
or if you're a decent studio artist. You are a superstar.
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If you continue to make these you're a blockbuster Manior
Tom Cruise, if everything you does is doing one hundred million.
And that's where they are right now. They continue to
win multitude of the ways, and at a certain point
it can't be luck. Rob If I keep doing it
and you don't, it ain't luck. If I keep finding
a way to win, it ain't luck. And yes, things
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bounce your way. That's a part of football, that's a
part of sports. We all know that. But my point
is you can't have this susame success for this long
and act like it's just fraudulent, or it's just luck,
or it's just they've done it too much. They've done
it too well. They've done it the multitude of ways,
and at some point I think we almost have to,
you know, appreciate what they've done. Now. They weren't my
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first choice, obviously, the Lions. Second would have been Lamar.
I would have loved for Lamar to have gotten one.
But now I'm at a you know, now it's these
team's left. I'm not mad if they go ahead and
do what hasn't been done, because they've earned that, right.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, going into the Super Bowl last year, I remember
Sports Illustrated came out with a list of the top
twenty five quarterback moments in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
How many do.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
You think that twenty four? How many think Patrick Mahomes
had twenty four out of twenty five? Take a guess,
give me a real number. Uh maybe one? How about zero?
Going out time?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
That's not crazy, that's just unbeknown It is crazy to
me that at no point during all this winning, like seriously,
like you go to countdown twenty five moments at that
point he had won two super Bowls, right, right, and
then he won last year. That was that came out
right before last year Super Bowl. So it's just interesting
to me.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
No, no, no, no, no, that's a very.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Interesting Just like you had to come up with twenty
five other plays that's crazy from a quarterback and not
one to Patrick Mahomes at that point. And that's what
I'm trying to say about this team, Like it's it's
not phil Ay. The last two years have been more
like dog food than phil A. That's that's the spot
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all the way. I gotta give me something to rib.
You gotta give me something, man. You gotta give me
some crab leg You gotta give me some not some
lamb chops.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
No, you can't. I'm not gonna have you walking around
here talking about dog food when you at least got
to give me some nice lamb chops marinated in the
wine with the parsley and the garlic. Come on, I'm
not doing that with you, Ron Parker.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
How about instead of filet, bologna or file a. It
has been bologny to me the last two year. Okay
it but they looked very very good last super Bowl
and that whole playoff, that whole that whole playoff run
good year. They were not I'm talking about as if
they weren't the best team until they won the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
But isn't that But you can't didn't say that. Okay,
watch this. The Lions were this, that and the other.
You said it doesn't matter unless they win the super Bowl.
Right now, I'm not I'm not comparing tho the Lions'
what I'm saying right. But what I'm saying is they're
fifteen and two and you're like, oh, it ain't don
matter toil they win something. Well, the Chiefs do that.
We can have good record, great record because they ultimately.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
We wanted one playing better where they where they were
eye popping the best team in the league.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
That's not the team we're watching it with the Patriots.
The Patriots. The Patriots had seasons where they were the
best team. They had the middle a team.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
No, the Patriots had a top five defense every year.
They did what they were supposed to. When they shut
down the greatest show on turf to Saint Louis Rams,
that's what that's who the Patriots were.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Andy Patrick Homes showed up. I said this year, that's
not what they I'm saying the last two years, but
the Patriots. With the Patriots were defense at a minitary
Then the last half it was Tom Brady going crazy
for a few years. So it happens when you have
a long sustained run. Tim Duncan and the Spurs or
defense winning by eighty two to eighty eight, and then
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they turned it out, ball moving, three point shooting team.
So long sustained success means you have to change your bit.
You know what you do a little bit.
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Speaker 1 (09:00):
Gee, let's start this hour number two with the news
of the day.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
And it was pretty big news.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
It's not only the news of the day, Rob, it's
the news of the weekend. It's the news of the
football season. And that's because my Las Vegas Raiders, listen
to you have fired there, or excuse me, I have.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Hired Look at.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Their next head coach, Pete Carroll, who, at age seventy
three is already old enough, but by week two of
the NFL season, not only would he be the oldest
active coach of the NFL, besting Andy Reid by a
solid eight years, he will be the oldest coach in
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NFL history. The Raiders trendsetters once again.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Wow, I mean if the Raiders ain't gonna do nothing,
the Raiders are gonna raider, Rob, The Raiders are going
to raider. Like if you you would have I'd have
been in a coma and woke up and Rob Jesus
told me that, And this was circa two thousand and eight,
twenty twelve. I'm like, oh, okay, all right, Raiders, I'll
see what we're doing twenty twenty five. What we doing? Man?
(10:12):
All right? So let's talk about this a little bit,
Rob Number one, Pete Carroll. You mentioned the age, and
in life you would like to think age ain't number
the number. But the fact is the Raiders are not
a good team right now. The Raiders have struggled for
years now. So the Raiders, you know, it's gonna take
some time to get it right. I don't care if
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you hired Sean McVay. It's gonna take a couple two
three years. So are you telling me that you're still
gonna have Pete Carroll there at seventy four or five
six years old when maybe things start to turn around
a little bit. I highly doubt that. So what this
must be is you are hiring somebody to be a
fixer like you ever seen pulp fiction. Remember the wolf Man.
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The wolf came in fixed the situation. This must be
where he's coming and set the tone, to set the culture,
to bring that vibrant personality of his. Obviously defense is
a specialty. To maybe build that up and then pass
this along reminds me of somebody else that's Dagnare in
their smid seventies, Bill Belichick. What he's doing with UNC.
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I'm not here for the long run. I'm not here
for the long time. I'm here for the you know,
for the quick fun. And he's gonna go there, build
it up, get some things going, pass it on down
to his son. So I believe the Raiders what they're
doing with Tom Brady is trying to do is set
a culture, get a guy to come in here, do
some good scouting, get some good defensive players, get something going,
and then say I passed the baton to coach X
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and move on. He's gonna be like a fixer or
when these big companies hired the CEOs to get them right,
Bob Iger or Tim Cook or something. Come get us
right for a couple of years, and then you go
move on to do something else. That's what he's about
to be. Because surely he can't be the coach of
the future.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
It is an absolutely terrible home hire by your Las
Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Rob g I'm robbing. You know, it's a bad hire.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
He's gonna be seventy four basically when the season starts.
He's a pork chop away from not being the head coach.
I'm just saying. And the bad part is he's for
he's here for the short run. Like like the idea
that you're gonna hire somebody and then go, well, he'll
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fix the culture in the next guy.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
No, that's not how it works. Okay, because once.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
He's no longer there, whoever the new guy is, that's
gonna be his culture.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Stop it. Okay, Now we're passing down culture? Is that
what we're doing that I can't rob that's me reaching
to find something.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I'm doing what I'm saying, like, really, where would they
get this guy?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
A seventy four year old man with no quarterback in
that division?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
What are they trying to do? Pete Carroll?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Just you know what, when Pete Carroll goes for the
press conference, rob g.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
He should have a sche mask on.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Because he just robbed the Raiders of his retirement fund.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Like that's what this is.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
This is being nice to a guy they couldn't wait
for him to get out of Seattle. Okay, And this
guy took him the two back to back Super Bowls,
had a chance to win both, okay, but they couldn't
wait to move on. And all you're doing is taking
a pair of old slippers with holes in the bottom
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because they're comfortable, because you know what they look like
and you know what they feel like. He's not the future,
he's the past. The Raiders just hired a dinosaur. Fred
Flintstone got hired with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
What is this? Are you serious? In this day and age.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
This is what we're doing as you move forward, Kelvin,
think about this. And I'm not dude, I'm not against
people of advanced age, of older people or whatever in
this world, but in this situation, this is just ridiculous.
There's nobody else out there. Here's what I want, nobody else.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I think Tom Brady was trying to put a splash.
I think he missed with Ben Johnson. Everybody knows he
was coming. Remember Robin Bob Rob's when they were calling
the game not too long ago, Lions and the UH
and the Commanders, And every time they put what Ben
Johnson had to be on camera, fifteen times, Tom Brady
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would act like he didn't see nothing. He was Ray
Charles Stevie wonder out there because he didn't want anybody
else to like. He didn't want to be like, Oh,
Ben Johnson's such a great guy. Whoever gets him, they're
gonna be a happy organization because he wanted him. We
know that. So I think him missing Ben Johnson, not
getting Bill Belichick, you know, not getting maybe if he
wanted Mike Vrabel. I think this is him saying, shoot,
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I gotta help make a splash, help a name. I'll
tell you why, because it's a name, simply because it's
a super Bowl winning coach and a National championship winning coach.
That that's the you know, that's the reason. I think
Tom Brady and the team said we can't go hire Shottenheimer,
you know, we gotta go hire somebody with a name.
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And I think they went and hired Pete Carroll, who's
got a name, who's you know, had success, so they
can say, see, see, look what we're doing. Because that's
the only thing that makes sense. There's nothing else that
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Rob g you can jump in, okay, cause the one
thing I know, the one thing I've always respected about
the Raiders, and I will say this before you jump in,
is that they they have been trend centers, okay, and
they have hired the first black coach. Tom Floyd is
the first Mexican coach to win a Super Bowl like
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they've had Al Davis may rest in Peace was a
game changer, okay. But this here to go backwards and
just get somebody who's comfortable and who you feel good
about doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Rob g.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
It just doesn't let me educate you, two guys. I
know that y'all don't watch football like that. Yes, it's clear, y'll.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Y'all don't know ball.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Y'all don't. We don't know bad ball. You're right, we
don't watch the Raiders. All right.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
There's two big d here, two big reasons why this
is a great hire. Great even one of them because
the biggest contractor the people that say, is you're hiring
a seventy three year old man to a team with
no quarterback. Here's the problem with that argument. There are
four coaches left in the playoffs right now. Andy Reid,
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Sean McDermott, Nick Sirianni Dan Quinn. All four of them,
when they got the job they're at now didn't have
a quarterback. But Andy Reid had to turn chicken blank
into chicken dinner with Alex Smith, who was a journeyman.
He wasn't. Rob Parker, let me finish. I'm about to cook. Okay,
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I'm warming up right now.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Got to come because you better shop.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Mcdermit had the corpse that is Tarad Taylor as Quarterbackted,
go ahead, Okay, that's number two. Number three dan Quinn
didn't even have a quarterback. They had zero quarterbacks on
their roster, legitimately zero. When he took the job. They
drafted Jaden Daniels. It worked out beautifully. Last, but not least,
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Nick Sirianni, lest we forget that when he turned over
the keys to Jalen Hurts. We had Philadelphia personalities on
this show. Say that was a terrible idea. This guy
can't throw of football. Fast forward a couple of years.
All four of those guys are considered among the best
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in their profession because their teams win because they identified
a quarterback and they got around him. Here's the other one,
and this is what that really discussed me. Rob Parker.
You want to bring up his age like old people
doing stuff. Isn't easily the number one genre in Hollywood,
like Last Vegas isn't the greatest movie of all time?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
We talked about it.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
We have talked about it on this show in the hog.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Buddies in classic Rob Parker like, we don't have old
people doing stuff on the odd couple. If there was
an age limit doing great things, you would not.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Be in this business right now.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
You would have aged out in two thousand and six,
wasn't it?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Higher choice?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
He's gonna right the ship and the Raiders will be
back to prominence in short order.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Okay, order, come on, short order? When is that? When
is that? What's short order to you? Two years?
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Two years?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Okay, we're getting a feel right that. Why how did
that happens? Easy?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
You prompt an Alyx to give you applause. If I'm
looking at you, yeah, I'm the best you did? You
put a hot pocket in the microwave. That's the best
you mean. Let me let me tell you something, rob Ga.
I feel bad for Pete Carroll because by all accounts,
Pete Carroll's is an amazing shape. He looks great. He's energized. Boy,
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he's about to age. Like how the President's go in
the White House and come out old he's they about
to age that man instead of seventy five. Next year,
he's gonna be eighty messing around with them Raiders. That means,
let me start you there. Secondly, you brought up all
these guys, well they in quarterback. First of all, Andy
Reid is a quarterback, whispered, that's a fact. Pete Carroll
is a defensive mind. Let's start there. Secondly, you mean
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there's no time for him to grow with him. He
literally is going to age out before the quarter back
who might end up being good in a two or
three years. He ain't got no time for that. You
acting like he can Sean mcvegas or ten twelve year ago,
Andy Reid. This as you mentioned Nick Siganni. I think
I'm older than Nick Sirianni. He has no time for that.
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He's about to come out here looking like how Bill
Clinton left for the White House.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And for you to say I would have aged out
in two thousand and five or six, two thousand and six, yeah,
I'm doing the now you serious?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Are you crazy?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I Am not seventy four years old. I don't want
to say that Pete Carroll's old.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Oh here it comes.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Just wait till Rob her in seventy three.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
We don't know. They're not gonna be anymore. Be here
to Robbie, rob G. You don't have to call me
because I'll be on vacation in Europe.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Okay, Rob, You'll be hosting the Knights Show.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
It's Rocks in Rome, rob G.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
I know it's overnight, but for me it's midday because
I'm amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Okay, you guys have you guys don't know me. They
have a rops here too. They got the best ribs
and chicken.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Ever, but they raised the price twenty eight cents. I
might to go across.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
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Speaker 1 (21:36):
Charles Robinson front of the Odd Couple. Guy I knew
when he worked at the Oakland Press. And you remember
the Oakland Press, right, the newspaper in Oakland County Michigan.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Charles Robinson was a sports writer back then and now
was at Yahoo.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Has been a big star for a long time. Rob g.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
That's right. So Charles panned this column that came out
earlier on.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Friday previewing this Chiefs Bills game, which, all due respect
to the Eagles commanders, it is the game of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
It's the one everyone's talking about. We just talked about.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
It's likely going to be the most watched AFC Championship
game in television history. And the reason why everybody is
so interested in this game is not just that the
Chiefs are going for a three p It's that Josh
Allen and Patrick Mahomes in their careers have developed this
as some people were calling it a Tom Brady Peyton
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Manning like rivalry. They're four and four against each other
head to head in their career. Now, obviously bad Rohme
was wanting the playoffs and that's where the rubber meets
the road. But everybody's saying that this is the next
quarterback rivalry. Well, Charles Robinson, in his column, and it's
actually an opinion piece, said that's premature.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
And here's the reason why.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
As good as Josh Allen is to know, there's the
four and four and he's put on some great performances
in the playoffs against Patrick Mahomes until he actually beats
him in the postseason. This cannot be a rival this
cannot be Madden versus Brady because it's all been one sided.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
It's hard to argue with that take because for a while,
and you noticed to Kelvin being from ann Arbor, the
rivalry between Michigan Ohio State was dead for a while.
When Ohio State won fourteen out of fifteen or whatever
that number.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Remember that they got. It was a bad stretch. It
was a terrible stretch.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It was like rivalry, like you got to win once
in a while to make it a rivalry. And I
can't disagree with Charles from that standpoint.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Where are you on this? No? I mean that's the
thing I think when I think of Josh Allen, his
rival is Lamar Jackson. For me, that's the more proper
comp to me when I think of their robably, I
think of the guys who are trying to do this
right now. Patrick Mahomes from a football standpoint, is chasing
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ghosts like he's chasing Joe Montana for our starters, and
I'm with you on that. That's a you know, that's fair.
Let's not do Joe like that.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I'm just saying, I'm always sensing it because they liked Ago.
He was the goat, the guy, the guy didn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
He's four to o.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Like everybody acts like he didn't play Like I hear
lists and I think it's wrong.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Joe Montana. You know, it's like NBA. To me, there's
like three or four guys who say the goat. I
can understand. I might think it's person X, A, B
or C. But you you know, I'm with that. Joe
Montana absolutely can jump in the riddle of this ring
and say, na, I'm the goat, and that's a fair
point he would make. So, but that's what he's facing.
He's chasing Tom, He's chasing Joe Montana, and really that's it.
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So he doesn't have a rival. It's kind of like
a stretch where Kobe really didn't have a rival because
the only rival was Jordan and Jordan was out the league.
So it's like I'm chasing the guy who's got six. Well,
I'm got three, then four, then five. Can I get
to six, you know what I mean, And that was
I'm chasing that he ain't got all right, but.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
He was chasing Michael Jordan. I never did man, That
man walked chewed you. I'm talking about. I'm talking about
like he could pass Jordan. I never thought Kobe could pass.
I mean saying that's me. I didn't like the Lebron thing.
I get it where.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
People are, but because it looked different Beachy had Kobe
had shack.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And that is the part that whether people want to
acknowledge it or not. And Rob G, you're a Laker
fan all through and through. Shaq was a dominant player,
a big time part of that, you know, when they
want to beast.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, it's hard to just say that was Kobe. It
just wasn't no without a doubt. But I mean someone
would argue it was Phil Jackson, it was then his Robin,
it was Pipping, not just Jordan. When it was just Jordan,
he was just scored a different game.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Those other guys could have won the m v P
during that time, like Pipping, Like I hear it at
all time.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Why didn't Pippen win an MVP? He wouldn't Mike although
he have you heard him lately. Have you heard him lately?
Real quick?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Phil Jackson has said a few times and he thought
Scotty Pippen was a better overall player than Michael Jordan.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Okay, I'm just just saying he did say that.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I'm just saying, could he have won M v P
if he was so great in any of those? And
then he didn't go on to win anything. I'm trying
to get, like I always do, Scottie Pippen was a
better on ball defender than Mike. He was a better
passer than Mike. But the buck stopped there, you know
what I mean, Like, let's all right now. Mike was
a heck of a defender, not the best, but the
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heck of a defender. Infinitely better scorer, you know, and
he given Scotty Pippen the last ball shot of the game.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
And what you're saying that was just a better scorer.
And then Scotty did and what.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Got the best out of Scottie a large attribute? You
have to attribute a large portion of that to Mike.
What the reason we got the Scotty that we got
is because Mike had to push him and scott emits it.
The one thing about Scotty Pitman, Scotty Pippen be aacting
like the last dance didn't happen, like like we didn't
have him on camera at admitting things and saying things
because he switched it up annually. Me and Mike were
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best a friend. Next time, I ain't talked to him
in ten years. Next time, Man, we couldn't have did
it without him. We needed He pushed us, he drove.
Next time, we absolutely could have won. He just told us.
Rob He just said he could have won six without Mike. Crazy.
He just said he could have won six without Mike. Now, Pip,
come on, Pip, don't go out like this. Don't go
out like this. We love you. Some people say all
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the best duo ever, best Batman and Robin, like, don't
go out like this, Pippin. But back to my point,
that's what Patrick Mahomes is doing. In my opinion, he
doesn't have a rival, right who would it be? Josh
Allen hasn't beat him in the postseason, Lamar can't beat
him in the postseason. The combined of those two don't
have a single Super Bowl ring today.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
He's the only thing though, I gotta admit, Okay, Josh
Allen and you everything else to have contacts. Do you
remember in Kansas City him driving down I thought he
had finally got over the hump with thirteen seconds to go.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
That was as dramatic as you can be.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And then the coaches let to hit let him down
obviously by kicking off. You remember that with thirteen seconds, Yeah,
if you squibbed that six seven seconds might go off
the clock, you know, do you like?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
It was the most unbelievable thing I've ever seen?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But if you remember that that was his moment that
was taken away, do you remember like he yeh, but
but you know, I know he's the one again.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
But I'm just saying it's not that that was that
he didn't like the how you felt about Lamar Jackson
and Mark Andrews like that was about to be the moment.
Letter that was that moment, yep, and they we got
to rob from us. The crazy part though, is to
me that you mentioned earlier Patrick Mahomes doesn't have one
of the top twenty five. That was before last quarterback, right,
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but even last year, right, he doesn't, And that makes sense,
that's not far fetched idea, But I would say that
was probably his greatest playoff moment, likey at fourteen thirteen,
fourteen seconds and what he did. And the craziest part
is the compliment to him is a compliment to Steph Curry.
What I'm about to say is that he's so good
and so special that we all went, oh shoot. And
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I don't know about you two, Robs, but I ain't
never thought with somebody in fourteen seconds that far away
when he might do something and it's like Steph Curry,
he shoots a half court shot, he shoots from the
other free throw line, you go, wait, hold on before
I go, get this guacamole that might go in. And
Patrick Mahomes has become that where he can do some
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of the most magical things. You're like, no way, that's
not okay, No way, he's about to throw this past
like that. No way he's gonna make this third and
eleven scramble like he's Lamar Jackson. He ain't that fast.
So to me, that's probably his greatest playoff moment to
me was that fourteen seconds. You agree, Robs, No, that
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was a moment. I obviously, I mean, there's no doubt
about it. That was the thing that they were talking
about was just Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
But I get it.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I just thought for a guy who's won as much
as he has, it's kind of incredible when you talk
about the coming back from ten points right uh in
the Super Bowl and he doesn't have a signature throw
or touchdown or so.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
He really doesn't, which which I agree, I completely agree
that on paper makes zero sense.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, it just doesn't make sense considering that he's got
comeback to rob g what do you got?
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Yeah, I mean that's as far as his postseason legacy,
that's probably Yeah, that is a that's and that's it.
But it's not an indictment on him, so to speak,
because it's more of a compliment to that specific moment
because in the first Super Bowl against San Francisco, he
hit Tyreek Hill on a third and ten for like
a forty yard play, so that could have been one, right,
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and then and then in this last one against San Francisco,
he marches them down, he has a couple of key
scrambles to convert third downs, and he throws the game
winning touch like if that's Tom. Tom Brady's highlight reel
in Super Bowls is a six yard out route and
field goals.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
No that's not disrespecting tom Brady. Right.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
The first three Adam Vententery kicking field goal right, and
if Adam Venitary misses two field goal like the Bills
say he was the Bills kicker and you miss, tom
Brady's whole legend would be totally different like that. He
had one of the great kickers.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
The other thing, though, when you talk about oh man,
you were just saying, I go ahead, kevi whn, I
was thinking something else.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I had brought up the plays, and I brought up like,
you know, Steph Curry just becoming just so great at
something that we all kind of go oh I expected
from him. Hey, Steph Curry tried to you know, three
quarters court shot you expect to go. And Patrick Mahomes'
is to his credit, man, he's gotten that place where
it's like you just expect, Like if I told you
they're down ten three and a half minutes left, he's
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got to the place, but they got the ball, you
would be like, they're's probably gonna find a way to win. Similarly,
I felt, you know what I found.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Out, Okay, here it is. This is one I was
thinking about all right. When the Rams won the Super Bowl,
with Stafford. He threw a game winning touchdown to win
the game, right, well, not the Cooper Cup, yep, okay,
that that was a game win. Normally, when you throw
on you the quarterback, you throw a game winning touchdown
and win the super Bowl went onto the MVP. Yeah okay,
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but he had two picks and the one that was
dropped so he didn't get it. So something, you know
what I mean, like like so it's not automatic, like
you think about a super Bowl moment or whatever that
was the Matthew Stafford had his and yet that didn't
account for like a great.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Moment, which is weird should have been Yeah, big bet.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
It says a lot about Patrick Mahomes because you guys
are talking about moments right now and the aura, like
as Kelvin saying, he's like Steph Curry or he's like
you know Jordan or Kobe, where you know you're down
by seven in the two minutes, but you're not really
surprised that they're gonna come back and win because he
has that kind of magic.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
That's why this this year is the one year that
I think it would just be fitting that all.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
The luck that it would be they hit the upright,
or there's something that ends this run for them, and
you'll go back and go, they've been getting lucky all year.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Well, here's the thing route, and that's fair with Patrick
muck Could we started this conversation is you know, the
rivalry and whether or not he even has one. Not
only does he have the aura or the luck how
you call it, If you just take that part out,
he's got the hardware, he's got the rings, and he
has the stats like you, you would legitimately have to
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put together Lamar Jackson as a regular season player and
Josh Allen as a postseason player to get one. Patrick
mahomes like he's on at this point. Everybody else right
now at this point.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I agree with that. I agree, but that doesn't mean
that it can't change. And that's the thing that I
think as time goes on. Now he's doing all this winning,
and here's the other thing. Say they don't win, okay,
and they've got his three championships, right, he doesn't win
and things start to change.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Andy Reid retires, Kelsey, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
And then Tom Brady went nine years without winning before
the second wave. I wonder how they'll look at him
as you go further on and say they don't win again.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Just say he doesn't win again in his career. Do
you see?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
What's what made Tom Brady different was that he was
able to win the second wave. There's a second wave,
there is what I'm saying to you. And if he
goes on and doesn't win again, and Lamar gets to
the Super Bowl wins twice, so Josh Allen wins two
or three times, do you know what i mean?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Like the game change, the conversation. I think the things
that will help him is that kind of how people say,
like you say against Lebron, you say Steph got a
bunch on his watch the Lebron's, Well, there will be that.
Patrick Mahomes will be able to say, I was smoking
y'all on y'all watch for a long time. I won
three in a row or potentially or if you said
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you leave it at three, then I got three on
y'all clock. Y'all didn't really beat me, you know what
I mean? Like, I just think he'll have that edge
on them. And what I'm saying a first Lamar, Lamar
has the chance because of the MV, because of the
m v P s if he messed around and at
the end of his career, they're sitting there both three rings,
maybe three even if m VPS. It gets like, you know,
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what was your cup of tea? It can it can
get there, but they gotta. It starts with this Sunday
Josh beating him
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
But let's talk about the Chiefs, because that's the whole
point of this whole conversation. And for me, this playoff series,
of this NFL playoffs this year comes down to ABC
for me, anybody but Chiefs. That's where I'm at, and
I know that I'm not the only one. ABC is
what I want. I want ABC for this weekend. I
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would love for the Buffalo Bills to beat, finally beat
this fraudulent dynasty that we're calling the chief because my goodness, gracious, I've.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Never seen a team.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
That should be revered and people like going, oh my God,
I can't believe what I'm watching. Instead it's like, oh,
somehow they won again. I don't know how they won.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
They won again.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Somehow you have a quarterback who the last two years,
Rob g Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe Patrick Mahomes
has one All Pro vote in the last two years
when he's won. Maybe he's had one vote. This year
he had a team that was fifteen and two and
had none. Like, what are the odds of that? I'm
just asking you, Kelvin, the odds. No, if you're that
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great like a team.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Usually they reward you just be like almost out of
just I have to do. Yeah, you're the leader, lead
the team. All right.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
It's just I agree with that, and I think it's weird.
And then the other part that has come along is
now fans, not just the teams that fans that are
playing the Chiefs, but people who are just football fans watching,
going look at this call. I mean, we had Troy
Aikman not an hour later or thirty minutes later, he goes, oh,
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you know, when I think about it, maybe that wasn't
the This is like live action where he's disgusted at
the call. So I think that there's a lot of
things rolling there, and I just think I'm tired of
the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I'd rather see somebody else.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
This is not.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Something that I want to see. I do not want
to see them win three in a row. I don't
want them to etch their name in NFL lore because
the last two years. Last year, they weren't the best
team all year until guests win the day they won
the super Bowl where people had to give it to them.
They weren't the best team this year despite their record,
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and they won't be the best team until they win
the super Bowl and then people will have to give
it to them. This is not the team that I
want to beat to have this be the first team
to win three in a row.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
That okay, multiple points one I actually believe it or not.
Can understand why you would say that. Right. People are
tired of them. They've won a bunch. You feel like
they've been winning a bunch of games by the hair,
you know, the chinny chin chin. I understand that. But
my one question, first question would be, I don't know
if there's a team that Rod Parker would want to
see win three anyway, because if this was so and
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so they won two out of three e or we're
trying to win three in a row now, you wouldn't
want to see them either. So I don't know if
there is a single team on God's Green Earth that
Rob Parker will want to see I continue the last
the last dynasty. Go ahead. I'll let you go go ahead. Yeah.
So I don't think you and and maybe you're not
even alone. Maybe people just don't want to see that.
(03:48):
Here's the thing though, the Chiefs at a certain point,
if I kept having number one hits, wouldn't you just
call me a superstar? If Michael Jackson just had hit
after hit and romans that performers, he is what he is,
He's a superstar. And I think you're ignoring the Chiefs
where you're calling them fraudulent. They literally have won Robin
(04:08):
every multitude away. They have won being down ten in
every game on a playoff run, including the super Bowl.
They won that way. They have been up on people.
They've won that way. They used to score major points
thirty forty a game. It was insane. We loved it.
Pat Mahomes throwing five thousand yards. They won that way.
Patrick Mahomes throwing at his lowest rate, lowest numbers ever.
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They win that way. They've gone from an offensive team
to a very very good defensive team. So to me,
I can't call that a fraud. You just make it hits.
You're just Michael Jackson, you're just Whitney Houston, you're just Madonna,
You're just Elton John At a certain point, I can't
call you that as if you're a one hit wonder
or if you're a decent studio artist. You are a superstar.
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If you continue to make these you're a blockbuster Manior
Tom Cruise, if everything you does is doing one hundred million.
And that's where they are right now. They continue to
win multitude of the ways, and at a certain point
it can't be luck. Rob If I keep doing it
and you don't, it ain't luck. If I keep finding
a way to win, it ain't luck. And yes, things
(05:13):
bounce your way. That's a part of football, that's a
part of sports. We all know that. But my point
is you can't have this susame success for this long
and act like it's just fraudulent, or it's just luck,
or it's just they've done it too much. They've done
it too well. They've done it the multitude of ways,
and at some point I think we almost have to,
you know, appreciate what they've done. Now. They weren't my
(05:33):
first choice, obviously, the Lions. Second would have been Lamar.
I would have loved for Lamar to have gotten one.
But now I'm at a you know, now it's these
team's left. I'm not mad if they go ahead and
do what hasn't been done, because they've earned that, right.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, going into the Super Bowl last year, I remember
Sports Illustrated came out with a list of the top
twenty five quarterback moments in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
How many do.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
You think that twenty four? How many think Patrick Mahomes
had twenty four out of twenty five? Take a guess,
give me a real number. Uh maybe one? How about zero?
Going out time?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
That's not crazy, that's just unbeknown It is crazy to
me that at no point during all this winning, like seriously,
like you go to countdown twenty five moments at that
point he had won two super Bowls, right, right, and
then he won last year. That was that came out
right before last year Super Bowl. So it's just interesting
to me.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
No, no, no, no, no, that's a very.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Interesting Just like you had to come up with twenty
five other plays that's crazy from a quarterback and not
one to Patrick Mahomes at that point. And that's what
I'm trying to say about this team, Like it's it's
not phil Ay. The last two years have been more
like dog food than phil A. That's that's the spot
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all the way. I gotta give me something to rib.
You gotta give me something, man. You gotta give me
some crab leg You gotta give me some not some
lamb chops.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
No, you can't. I'm not gonna have you walking around
here talking about dog food when you at least got
to give me some nice lamb chops marinated in the
wine with the parsley and the garlic. Come on, I'm
not doing that with you, Ron Parker.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
How about instead of filet, bologna or file a. It
has been bologny to me the last two year. Okay
it but they looked very very good last super Bowl
and that whole playoff, that whole that whole playoff run
good year. They were not I'm talking about as if
they weren't the best team until they won the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
But isn't that But you can't didn't say that. Okay,
watch this. The Lions were this, that and the other.
You said it doesn't matter unless they win the super Bowl.
Right now, I'm not I'm not comparing tho the Lions'
what I'm saying right. But what I'm saying is they're
fifteen and two and you're like, oh, it ain't don
matter toil they win something. Well, the Chiefs do that.
We can have good record, great record because they ultimately.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
We wanted one playing better where they where they were
eye popping the best team in the league.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
That's not the team we're watching it with the Patriots.
The Patriots. The Patriots had seasons where they were the
best team. They had the middle a team.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
No, the Patriots had a top five defense every year.
They did what they were supposed to. When they shut
down the greatest show on turf to Saint Louis Rams,
that's what that's who the Patriots were.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Andy Patrick Homes showed up. I said this year, that's
not what they I'm saying the last two years, but
the Patriots. With the Patriots were defense at a minitary
Then the last half it was Tom Brady going crazy
for a few years. So it happens when you have
a long sustained run. Tim Duncan and the Spurs or
defense winning by eighty two to eighty eight, and then
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they turned it out, ball moving, three point shooting team.
So long sustained success means you have to change your bit.
You know what you do a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
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Speaker 1 (09:00):
Gee, let's start this hour number two with the news
of the day.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
And it was pretty big news.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
It's not only the news of the day, Rob, it's
the news of the weekend. It's the news of the
football season. And that's because my Las Vegas Raiders, listen
to you have fired there, or excuse me, I have.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Hired Look at.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Their next head coach, Pete Carroll, who, at age seventy
three is already old enough, but by week two of
the NFL season, not only would he be the oldest
active coach of the NFL, besting Andy Reid by a
solid eight years, he will be the oldest coach in
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NFL history. The Raiders trendsetters once again.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Wow, I mean if the Raiders ain't gonna do nothing,
the Raiders are gonna raider, Rob, The Raiders are going
to raider. Like if you you would have I'd have
been in a coma and woke up and Rob Jesus
told me that, And this was circa two thousand and eight,
twenty twelve. I'm like, oh, okay, all right, Raiders, I'll
see what we're doing twenty twenty five. What we doing? Man?
(10:12):
All right? So let's talk about this a little bit,
Rob Number one, Pete Carroll. You mentioned the age, and
in life you would like to think age ain't number
the number. But the fact is the Raiders are not
a good team right now. The Raiders have struggled for
years now. So the Raiders, you know, it's gonna take
some time to get it right. I don't care if
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you hired Sean McVay. It's gonna take a couple two
three years. So are you telling me that you're still
gonna have Pete Carroll there at seventy four or five
six years old when maybe things start to turn around
a little bit. I highly doubt that. So what this
must be is you are hiring somebody to be a
fixer like you ever seen pulp fiction. Remember the wolf Man.
(10:54):
The wolf came in fixed the situation. This must be
where he's coming and set the tone, to set the culture,
to bring that vibrant personality of his. Obviously defense is
a specialty. To maybe build that up and then pass
this along reminds me of somebody else that's Dagnare in
their smid seventies, Bill Belichick. What he's doing with UNC.
(11:16):
I'm not here for the long run. I'm not here
for the long time. I'm here for the you know,
for the quick fun. And he's gonna go there, build
it up, get some things going, pass it on down
to his son. So I believe the Raiders what they're
doing with Tom Brady is trying to do is set
a culture, get a guy to come in here, do
some good scouting, get some good defensive players, get something going,
and then say I passed the baton to coach X
(11:39):
and move on. He's gonna be like a fixer or
when these big companies hired the CEOs to get them right,
Bob Iger or Tim Cook or something. Come get us
right for a couple of years, and then you go
move on to do something else. That's what he's about
to be. Because surely he can't be the coach of
the future.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
It is an absolutely terrible home hire by your Las
Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Rob g I'm robbing. You know, it's a bad hire.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
He's gonna be seventy four basically when the season starts.
He's a pork chop away from not being the head coach.
I'm just saying. And the bad part is he's for
he's here for the short run. Like like the idea
that you're gonna hire somebody and then go, well, he'll
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fix the culture in the next guy.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
No, that's not how it works. Okay, because once.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
He's no longer there, whoever the new guy is, that's
gonna be his culture.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Stop it. Okay, Now we're passing down culture? Is that
what we're doing that I can't rob that's me reaching
to find something.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I'm doing what I'm saying, like, really, where would they
get this guy?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
A seventy four year old man with no quarterback in
that division?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
What are they trying to do? Pete Carroll?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Just you know what, when Pete Carroll goes for the
press conference, rob g.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
He should have a sche mask on.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Because he just robbed the Raiders of his retirement fund.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Like that's what this is.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
This is being nice to a guy they couldn't wait
for him to get out of Seattle. Okay, And this
guy took him the two back to back Super Bowls,
had a chance to win both, okay, but they couldn't
wait to move on. And all you're doing is taking
a pair of old slippers with holes in the bottom
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because they're comfortable, because you know what they look like
and you know what they feel like. He's not the future,
he's the past. The Raiders just hired a dinosaur. Fred
Flintstone got hired with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
What is this? Are you serious? In this day and age.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
This is what we're doing as you move forward, Kelvin,
think about this. And I'm not dude, I'm not against
people of advanced age, of older people or whatever in
this world, but in this situation, this is just ridiculous.
There's nobody else out there. Here's what I want, nobody else.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I think Tom Brady was trying to put a splash.
I think he missed with Ben Johnson. Everybody knows he
was coming. Remember Robin Bob Rob's when they were calling
the game not too long ago, Lions and the UH
and the Commanders, And every time they put what Ben
Johnson had to be on camera, fifteen times, Tom Brady
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would act like he didn't see nothing. He was Ray
Charles Stevie wonder out there because he didn't want anybody
else to like. He didn't want to be like, Oh,
Ben Johnson's such a great guy. Whoever gets him, they're
gonna be a happy organization because he wanted him. We
know that. So I think him missing Ben Johnson, not
getting Bill Belichick, you know, not getting maybe if he
wanted Mike Vrabel. I think this is him saying, shoot,
(15:09):
I gotta help make a splash, help a name. I'll
tell you why, because it's a name, simply because it's
a super Bowl winning coach and a National championship winning coach.
That that's the you know, that's the reason. I think
Tom Brady and the team said we can't go hire Shottenheimer,
you know, we gotta go hire somebody with a name.
(15:31):
And I think they went and hired Pete Carroll, who's
got a name, who's you know, had success, so they
can say, see, see, look what we're doing. Because that's
the only thing that makes sense. There's nothing else that
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Rob g you can jump in, okay, cause the one
thing I know, the one thing I've always respected about
the Raiders, and I will say this before you jump in,
is that they they have been trend centers, okay, and
they have hired the first black coach. Tom Floyd is
the first Mexican coach to win a Super Bowl like
(16:04):
they've had Al Davis may rest in Peace was a
game changer, okay. But this here to go backwards and
just get somebody who's comfortable and who you feel good
about doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Rob g.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
It just doesn't let me educate you, two guys. I
know that y'all don't watch football like that. Yes, it's clear, y'll.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Y'all don't know ball.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Y'all don't. We don't know bad ball. You're right, we
don't watch the Raiders. All right.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
There's two big d here, two big reasons why this
is a great hire. Great even one of them because
the biggest contractor the people that say, is you're hiring
a seventy three year old man to a team with
no quarterback. Here's the problem with that argument. There are
four coaches left in the playoffs right now. Andy Reid,
(16:57):
Sean McDermott, Nick Sirianni Dan Quinn. All four of them,
when they got the job they're at now didn't have
a quarterback. But Andy Reid had to turn chicken blank
into chicken dinner with Alex Smith, who was a journeyman.
He wasn't. Rob Parker, let me finish. I'm about to cook. Okay,
(17:17):
I'm warming up right now.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Got to come because you better shop.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Mcdermit had the corpse that is Tarad Taylor as Quarterbackted,
go ahead, Okay, that's number two. Number three dan Quinn
didn't even have a quarterback. They had zero quarterbacks on
their roster, legitimately zero. When he took the job. They
drafted Jaden Daniels. It worked out beautifully. Last, but not least,
(17:45):
Nick Sirianni, lest we forget that when he turned over
the keys to Jalen Hurts. We had Philadelphia personalities on
this show. Say that was a terrible idea. This guy
can't throw of football. Fast forward a couple of years.
All four of those guys are considered among the best
(18:05):
in their profession because their teams win because they identified
a quarterback and they got around him. Here's the other one,
and this is what that really discussed me. Rob Parker.
You want to bring up his age like old people
doing stuff. Isn't easily the number one genre in Hollywood,
like Last Vegas isn't the greatest movie of all time?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
We talked about it.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
We have talked about it on this show in the hog.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Buddies in classic Rob Parker like, we don't have old
people doing stuff on the odd couple. If there was
an age limit doing great things, you would not.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Be in this business right now.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
You would have aged out in two thousand and six,
wasn't it?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Higher choice?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
He's gonna right the ship and the Raiders will be
back to prominence in short order.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Okay, order, come on, short order? When is that? When
is that? What's short order to you? Two years?
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Two years?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Okay, we're getting a feel right that. Why how did
that happens? Easy?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
You prompt an Alyx to give you applause. If I'm
looking at you, yeah, I'm the best you did? You
put a hot pocket in the microwave. That's the best
you mean. Let me let me tell you something, rob Ga.
I feel bad for Pete Carroll because by all accounts,
Pete Carroll's is an amazing shape. He looks great. He's energized. Boy,
(19:33):
he's about to age. Like how the President's go in
the White House and come out old he's they about
to age that man instead of seventy five. Next year,
he's gonna be eighty messing around with them Raiders. That means,
let me start you there. Secondly, you brought up all
these guys, well they in quarterback. First of all, Andy
Reid is a quarterback, whispered, that's a fact. Pete Carroll
is a defensive mind. Let's start there. Secondly, you mean
(19:54):
there's no time for him to grow with him. He
literally is going to age out before the quarter back
who might end up being good in a two or
three years. He ain't got no time for that. You
acting like he can Sean mcvegas or ten twelve year ago,
Andy Reid. This as you mentioned Nick Siganni. I think
I'm older than Nick Sirianni. He has no time for that.
(20:15):
He's about to come out here looking like how Bill
Clinton left for the White House.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And for you to say I would have aged out
in two thousand and five or six, two thousand and six, yeah,
I'm doing the now you serious?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Are you crazy?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I Am not seventy four years old. I don't want
to say that Pete Carroll's old.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Oh here it comes.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Just wait till Rob her in seventy three.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
We don't know. They're not gonna be anymore. Be here
to Robbie, rob G. You don't have to call me
because I'll be on vacation in Europe.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Okay, Rob, You'll be hosting the Knights Show.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
It's Rocks in Rome, rob G.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
I know it's overnight, but for me it's midday because
I'm amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Okay, you guys have you guys don't know me. They
have a rops here too. They got the best ribs
and chicken.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Ever, but they raised the price twenty eight cents. I
might to go across.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
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Speaker 1 (21:36):
Charles Robinson front of the Odd Couple. Guy I knew
when he worked at the Oakland Press. And you remember
the Oakland Press, right, the newspaper in Oakland County Michigan.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Charles Robinson was a sports writer back then and now
was at Yahoo.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Has been a big star for a long time. Rob g.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
That's right. So Charles panned this column that came out
earlier on.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Friday previewing this Chiefs Bills game, which, all due respect
to the Eagles commanders, it is the game of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
It's the one everyone's talking about. We just talked about.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
It's likely going to be the most watched AFC Championship
game in television history. And the reason why everybody is
so interested in this game is not just that the
Chiefs are going for a three p It's that Josh
Allen and Patrick Mahomes in their careers have developed this
as some people were calling it a Tom Brady Peyton
(22:28):
Manning like rivalry. They're four and four against each other
head to head in their career. Now, obviously bad Rohme
was wanting the playoffs and that's where the rubber meets
the road. But everybody's saying that this is the next
quarterback rivalry. Well, Charles Robinson, in his column, and it's
actually an opinion piece, said that's premature.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
And here's the reason why.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
As good as Josh Allen is to know, there's the
four and four and he's put on some great performances
in the playoffs against Patrick Mahomes until he actually beats
him in the postseason. This cannot be a rival this
cannot be Madden versus Brady because it's all been one sided.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
It's hard to argue with that take because for a while,
and you noticed to Kelvin being from ann Arbor, the
rivalry between Michigan Ohio State was dead for a while.
When Ohio State won fourteen out of fifteen or whatever
that number.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Remember that they got. It was a bad stretch. It
was a terrible stretch.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It was like rivalry, like you got to win once
in a while to make it a rivalry. And I
can't disagree with Charles from that standpoint.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Where are you on this? No? I mean that's the
thing I think when I think of Josh Allen, his
rival is Lamar Jackson. For me, that's the more proper
comp to me when I think of their robably, I
think of the guys who are trying to do this
right now. Patrick Mahomes from a football standpoint, is chasing
(23:55):
ghosts like he's chasing Joe Montana for our starters, and
I'm with you on that. That's a you know, that's fair.
Let's not do Joe like that.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I'm just saying, I'm always sensing it because they liked Ago.
He was the goat, the guy, the guy didn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
He's four to o.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Like everybody acts like he didn't play Like I hear
lists and I think it's wrong.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Joe Montana. You know, it's like NBA. To me, there's
like three or four guys who say the goat. I
can understand. I might think it's person X, A, B
or C. But you you know, I'm with that. Joe
Montana absolutely can jump in the riddle of this ring
and say, na, I'm the goat, and that's a fair
point he would make. So, but that's what he's facing.
He's chasing Tom, He's chasing Joe Montana, and really that's it.
(24:41):
So he doesn't have a rival. It's kind of like
a stretch where Kobe really didn't have a rival because
the only rival was Jordan and Jordan was out the league.
So it's like I'm chasing the guy who's got six. Well,
I'm got three, then four, then five. Can I get
to six, you know what I mean, And that was
I'm chasing that he ain't got all right, but.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
He was chasing Michael Jordan. I never did man, That
man walked chewed you. I'm talking about. I'm talking about
like he could pass Jordan. I never thought Kobe could pass.
I mean saying that's me. I didn't like the Lebron thing.
I get it where.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
People are, but because it looked different Beachy had Kobe
had shack.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And that is the part that whether people want to
acknowledge it or not. And Rob G, you're a Laker
fan all through and through. Shaq was a dominant player,
a big time part of that, you know, when they
want to beast.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, it's hard to just say that was Kobe. It
just wasn't no without a doubt. But I mean someone
would argue it was Phil Jackson, it was then his Robin,
it was Pipping, not just Jordan. When it was just Jordan,
he was just scored a different game.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Those other guys could have won the m v P
during that time, like Pipping, Like I hear it at
all time.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Why didn't Pippen win an MVP? He wouldn't Mike although
he have you heard him lately. Have you heard him lately?
Real quick?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Phil Jackson has said a few times and he thought
Scotty Pippen was a better overall player than Michael Jordan.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Okay, I'm just just saying he did say that.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I'm just saying, could he have won M v P
if he was so great in any of those? And
then he didn't go on to win anything. I'm trying
to get, like I always do, Scottie Pippen was a
better on ball defender than Mike. He was a better
passer than Mike. But the buck stopped there, you know
what I mean, Like, let's all right now. Mike was
a heck of a defender, not the best, but the
(26:31):
heck of a defender. Infinitely better scorer, you know, and
he given Scotty Pippen the last ball shot of the game.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
And what you're saying that was just a better scorer.
And then Scotty did and what.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Got the best out of Scottie a large attribute? You
have to attribute a large portion of that to Mike.
What the reason we got the Scotty that we got
is because Mike had to push him and scott emits it.
The one thing about Scotty Pitman, Scotty Pippen be aacting
like the last dance didn't happen, like like we didn't
have him on camera at admitting things and saying things
because he switched it up annually. Me and Mike were
(27:04):
best a friend. Next time, I ain't talked to him
in ten years. Next time, Man, we couldn't have did
it without him. We needed He pushed us, he drove.
Next time, we absolutely could have won. He just told us.
Rob He just said he could have won six without Mike. Crazy.
He just said he could have won six without Mike. Now, Pip,
come on, Pip, don't go out like this. Don't go
out like this. We love you. Some people say all
(27:25):
the best duo ever, best Batman and Robin, like, don't
go out like this, Pippin. But back to my point,
that's what Patrick Mahomes is doing. In my opinion, he
doesn't have a rival, right who would it be? Josh
Allen hasn't beat him in the postseason, Lamar can't beat
him in the postseason. The combined of those two don't
have a single Super Bowl ring today.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
He's the only thing though, I gotta admit, Okay, Josh
Allen and you everything else to have contacts. Do you
remember in Kansas City him driving down I thought he
had finally got over the hump with thirteen seconds to go.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
That was as dramatic as you can be.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And then the coaches let to hit let him down
obviously by kicking off. You remember that with thirteen seconds, Yeah,
if you squibbed that six seven seconds might go off
the clock, you know, do you like?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
It was the most unbelievable thing I've ever seen?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But if you remember that that was his moment that
was taken away, do you remember like he yeh, but
but you know, I know he's the one again.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
But I'm just saying it's not that that was that
he didn't like the how you felt about Lamar Jackson
and Mark Andrews like that was about to be the moment.
Letter that was that moment, yep, and they we got
to rob from us. The crazy part though, is to
me that you mentioned earlier Patrick Mahomes doesn't have one
of the top twenty five. That was before last quarterback, right,
(28:48):
but even last year, right, he doesn't, And that makes sense,
that's not far fetched idea, But I would say that
was probably his greatest playoff moment, likey at fourteen thirteen,
fourteen seconds and what he did. And the craziest part
is the compliment to him is a compliment to Steph Curry.
What I'm about to say is that he's so good
and so special that we all went, oh shoot. And
(29:10):
I don't know about you two, Robs, but I ain't
never thought with somebody in fourteen seconds that far away
when he might do something and it's like Steph Curry,
he shoots a half court shot, he shoots from the
other free throw line, you go, wait, hold on before
I go, get this guacamole that might go in. And
Patrick Mahomes has become that where he can do some
(29:31):
of the most magical things. You're like, no way, that's
not okay, No way, he's about to throw this past
like that. No way he's gonna make this third and
eleven scramble like he's Lamar Jackson. He ain't that fast.
So to me, that's probably his greatest playoff moment to
me was that fourteen seconds. You agree, Robs, No, that
(29:53):
was a moment. I obviously, I mean, there's no doubt
about it. That was the thing that they were talking
about was just Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
But I get it.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I just thought for a guy who's won as much
as he has, it's kind of incredible when you talk
about the coming back from ten points right uh in
the Super Bowl and he doesn't have a signature throw
or touchdown or so.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
He really doesn't, which which I agree, I completely agree
that on paper makes zero sense.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, it just doesn't make sense considering that he's got
comeback to rob g what do you got?
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Yeah, I mean that's as far as his postseason legacy,
that's probably Yeah, that is a that's and that's it.
But it's not an indictment on him, so to speak,
because it's more of a compliment to that specific moment
because in the first Super Bowl against San Francisco, he
hit Tyreek Hill on a third and ten for like
a forty yard play, so that could have been one, right,
(30:47):
and then and then in this last one against San Francisco,
he marches them down, he has a couple of key
scrambles to convert third downs, and he throws the game
winning touch like if that's Tom. Tom Brady's highlight reel
in Super Bowls is a six yard out route and
field goals.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
No that's not disrespecting tom Brady. Right.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
The first three Adam Vententery kicking field goal right, and
if Adam Venitary misses two field goal like the Bills
say he was the Bills kicker and you miss, tom
Brady's whole legend would be totally different like that. He
had one of the great kickers.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
The other thing, though, when you talk about oh man,
you were just saying, I go ahead, kevi whn, I
was thinking something else.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I had brought up the plays, and I brought up like,
you know, Steph Curry just becoming just so great at
something that we all kind of go oh I expected
from him. Hey, Steph Curry tried to you know, three
quarters court shot you expect to go. And Patrick Mahomes'
is to his credit, man, he's gotten that place where
it's like you just expect, Like if I told you
they're down ten three and a half minutes left, he's
(31:47):
got to the place, but they got the ball, you
would be like, they're's probably gonna find a way to win. Similarly,
I felt, you know what I found.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Out, Okay, here it is. This is one I was
thinking about all right. When the Rams won the Super Bowl,
with Stafford. He threw a game winning touchdown to win
the game, right, well, not the Cooper Cup, yep, okay,
that that was a game win. Normally, when you throw
on you the quarterback, you throw a game winning touchdown
and win the super Bowl went onto the MVP. Yeah okay,
(32:18):
but he had two picks and the one that was
dropped so he didn't get it. So something, you know
what I mean, like like so it's not automatic, like
you think about a super Bowl moment or whatever that
was the Matthew Stafford had his and yet that didn't
account for like a great.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Moment, which is weird should have been Yeah, big bet.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
It says a lot about Patrick Mahomes because you guys
are talking about moments right now and the aura, like
as Kelvin saying, he's like Steph Curry or he's like
you know Jordan or Kobe, where you know you're down
by seven in the two minutes, but you're not really
surprised that they're gonna come back and win because he
has that kind of magic.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
That's why this this year is the one year that
I think it would just be fitting that all.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
The luck that it would be they hit the upright,
or there's something that ends this run for them, and
you'll go back and go, they've been getting lucky all year.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Well, here's the thing route, and that's fair with Patrick
muck Could we started this conversation is you know, the
rivalry and whether or not he even has one. Not
only does he have the aura or the luck how
you call it, If you just take that part out,
he's got the hardware, he's got the rings, and he
has the stats like you, you would legitimately have to
(33:36):
put together Lamar Jackson as a regular season player and
Josh Allen as a postseason player to get one. Patrick
mahomes like he's on at this point. Everybody else right
now at this point.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I agree with that. I agree, but that doesn't mean
that it can't change. And that's the thing that I
think as time goes on. Now he's doing all this winning,
and here's the other thing. Say they don't win, okay,
and they've got his three championships, right, he doesn't win
and things start to change.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Andy Reid retires, Kelsey, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
And then Tom Brady went nine years without winning before
the second wave. I wonder how they'll look at him
as you go further on and say they don't win again.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Just say he doesn't win again in his career. Do
you see?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
What's what made Tom Brady different was that he was
able to win the second wave. There's a second wave,
there is what I'm saying to you. And if he
goes on and doesn't win again, and Lamar gets to
the Super Bowl wins twice, so Josh Allen wins two
or three times, do you know what i mean?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Like the game change, the conversation. I think the things
that will help him is that kind of how people say,
like you say against Lebron, you say Steph got a
bunch on his watch the Lebron's, Well, there will be that.
Patrick Mahomes will be able to say, I was smoking
y'all on y'all watch for a long time. I won
three in a row or potentially or if you said
(35:05):
you leave it at three, then I got three on
y'all clock. Y'all didn't really beat me, you know what
I mean? Like, I just think he'll have that edge
on them. And what I'm saying a first Lamar, Lamar
has the chance because of the MV, because of the
m v P s if he messed around and at
the end of his career, they're sitting there both three rings,
maybe three even if m VPS. It gets like, you know,
(35:29):
what was your cup of tea? It can it can
get there, but they gotta. It starts with this Sunday
Josh beating him
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