February 7, 2025 • 45 mins
Rob Parker & Kelvin Washington take aim at the NFL award voters last night for their decisions. Plus, Kelvin and Rob have the GOAT conversation about Mahomes, wonder why Eli Manning is at peace, and more!
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And Kelvin always remembers, what's that sweetie beaty?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Yes man, what a week it has been?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The Super Bowl U for forty eight hours?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Is that correct? Right forty eight hours away.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
The Chiefs and the Eagles, and man, what a show
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He stops by and our number three, Fred Warner.
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That's right, four time All Pro linebacker from the San
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He's the director of trading. He'll join us while our
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Speaker 5 (02:32):
All kinds of stuff to do. So let me welcome
in my partner.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
He is Kelvin Washington. Kelvin Washington, Man, she's.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
A week rob.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
A couple quick notes before we get this thing rolling.
One big shout out to everybody who rock with us podcasts.
If you can't listen live, folks who listen live, Man,
it's been a great week of running into fans of
the show, family of the show, all week Man in
different walks of life, they had just been.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
So it's been awesome to see that and and and
get some love from people down here in New Orleans. Uh,
and for people who came all over the country to
be here specifically, so I want to say big shots
to all of them.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Man, that was good.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Like for us, this was our first trip together with
Kelvin being a part of it, and rob GE's here
and Elijah and Saga, and we kind of did a
lot of stuff together. It went out to eat and
hung out and it was good.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It was I got to see how married you and
rob G are. We just keep backing for I known, like,
what are you doing? What are you doing? Milk? I
got the milk, it's sitting there. I left the keys,
I got them for you. Yeah. I got to see
that firsthand.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
So yes, right, seven years rob G, that's a long time.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
We got to see Brussorry yesterday too. So it's just
been it's been great man. And the uh, the hospitality
here in New Orleans has to be expected because you
only hear good things. I've been here before as you have,
and uh, it didn't let us down again. Everybody's been great.
So it's been a great week. So ready to close
it out with a big show man, no.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Doubt, a lot to you so little time.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So yeah, we will get there and let's kick it
off because you know, I first.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Will say.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
My panties weren't a bunch last night, thanks all Texas.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Yeah, you know how they were much of the bunch.
Because you ain't even welcome in the coop the crew.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Let me just I know, you know, I'm all worked out.
That's how I know.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You walk them in the couple jumping. I know, let's
welcome in the odd couple of cool. You wouldn't be
able to do this five radio program without him. Of course,
Rob g is our producer. Steve de Sager is at
the anchor desk. He'll keep us updated throughout the program
and of course on the ones and twos. Why your bug,
(04:43):
and I already said Elijah of course our social media guru.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
He's packed. I'm out for a little bit right on
the whole show way.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Making sure he got about six bags three suitcases ready
to go.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
And we got to uh meet and spend some time
with miss Eliza.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
Yes, I told her, I said, oh, it's great to
know who puts up with him all the time. Exactly, Yes,
that's me that Yeah, we actually have. Yeah, we heard
of her.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
We ain't heard of Elijah, exactly right, we we we
haven't heard of you, but we've.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Heard of her.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
We ain't heard of you. Right, I lived the same thing.
People that not excited when they see me, they excited
so much so. Rob stew has a screenshot of my wife, but.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
No I deleted it.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I deleted all right, maybe not okay, all right, let's
do this. So last night, of course, we didn't get
the announcement in time for the show.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Remember we were waiting on it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We thought that the NFL Honors would happen during the
show and.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
We would start over. The prolonged that Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Whether or not Eli Manning got in on the first ballot,
you said he wouldn't, Rob g said he wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
You guys were right. I thought he would.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Get in and uh, you know, Eli read the comments
that he's fined with it, and he called the other people.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
But you know, here's did we start at them? When
we start there? You are because you listen, y'all.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Let me let me what we got two things that
what I'm trying to tell you. Rob has been interrupted
all of our servers and waiters all day.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Sir, do you want fries with the burger? Let's tell you,
Josh Allen, Hey, no way, Lamar was job. She's trying
to do a job and get our food. Rob okay.
So so let's get straight to it. Josh Allen winning
m v P.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
But you also, you guys text me and yes and
and that was the other one. And you both were saying,
Josh Allen, rob g almost all year you were along ride.
I didn't believe it when when I saw the All
Pro and eleven years right, the last the last eleven quarterbacks,
it hasn't happened. And somehow people change their votes. Dan
(06:53):
Olowski changes vote, Emmanuel Acho and changed his vote.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Uh. And really my message.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And you might have seen on social media for some
people maybe not, but they're cowards. The voters wind up
being cowards. And the other people we haven't heard from,
so we don't know. It's like ten people change their votes,
right is that the number?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Like ten?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
So we on thereself another seven or eight people out there.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
We don't know how you could vote for somebody for
All Pro but not the MVP. And that's my point
about being cowards if you want. It's not that I'm
I'm against voting for Josh Allen. The one thing I
do respect is everybody has a vote and have the
right to vote who they want.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Okay, I've always.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Said that, right, I've said that, like I don't agree
with it. I didn't think Billy Wagner deserved to get
in the Hall of Fame, but that's your vote.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Enough people voted for him. I'm not gonna fight that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
It's not math two and two four, no matter who's
doing the math. So everybody has their things. But my
thing is, deep down they knew they couldn't shut Lamar out,
so was like, we're gonna give Lamar this because we
know we're taking away the MVP, and it was like
a like and I call it splitting the baby in half.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
If you were really about Josh Allen and his importance,
then he should have been All Pro first Team and
the MVP or vice versa. Lamar should have been All
Pro first Team and MVP. To split it makes absolutely
no sense. Hasn't been done since nineteen eighty seven, and
(08:36):
that's where I think the voters became cowards. Because if
you're a Josh Allen guy, go with Josh Allen, give
them all the accolades. You can't tell me he's not
first team but he's MVP. That doesn't even go together.
It's illogical. And that's the issue that I have here.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Here's so I feel you on that. But also to
add to the issued, here's the trouble with this. When
things are made, it's you know.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Who are people? Of course, people are going to people.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
People come in with their own ideologies of what something is.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
People come on with.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Their own storylines they're tired of, or what they want
more of, or how they view the phrase. And we
do this with every sport MVP every two years. We
have this argument in the NBA because this person Carl
Malone went over Jordan, Derrick Rose went over Lebron, Steve
nashall went over Shaq and Kobe. People will say, ain't
(09:28):
no way, you're trying to tell me Steve nash it's better,
And they said, well, no, it's not that he's better,
it's that he's the most valuable. Same thing happened here.
Is it the best player, which in how you and
I believe is lamar is it the best player on
the best team. Well to something you said, issue, is
it then Patrick Mahomes or Jared Goff, is it the
best stats? Then maybe that's Joe Burrow or Lamar. So
(09:48):
it becomes so many things. It becomes so subjective to
these folks, and that's what happened. Autro talked about it.
He said, well, I called him and I asked him, well,
what's the criteria, and they are like, oh, well.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Bros who had the best season, they should they should
have taken they should have taken his vote away if
he didn't know. Because this is the only pushback I'm
gonna give you. Every other year, nobody had a question
of what what because I don't buy that, Like you're saying,
we don't know what MVP is.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Okay, So the other.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Last time eleven quarter guys okay, and so so nobody
else had an issue. The problem is we're in a
in a period where you have narratives rather than numbers.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
And now I'll go back to this with Billy Wagner.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Just really quickly, he got ten point five percent of
the vote, didn't pitch for nine years, but the narrative
was for a left handed pitcher.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
He's outstanding. Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So a narrative built up, and the narrative for Josh
Allen became came to life. Joe lm bed a narrative.
Oh my god, you can't give the Joker three championships
without of I mean three MVPs without a chance that.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
But then he wound up winning anyway, And.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
That is why narrative.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
And you know, it's not that I don't think Lamar
is the best player. I've said, including Patrick Maholmes this year,
Lamar Jackson was the best player in football period. I've
said it all year. But I know how people do.
People start here, Oh, Josh Allen doesn't have anything.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
He only has this.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Player, which which is after overstated because James Cook gets down.
The offensive line is great, Berry good. Defense has been strong,
not great, but stronger. And they have they have some
obviously kinkaidan other tight ends like they're not barren. They
don't that the cupboard isn't empty. But that became a
big storyline. Look what Josh all is doing, Josh Allen
(11:38):
in his own division some people had with the healthy tool,
the Dolphins are going to be better than them. We
already know what the chiefs are gonna do. We know
what the expectations are in Lamar Jackson. So all Lamar
did was Lamar what he was supposed to do. Josh overachieved.
And I knew people were gonna say that. I knew
people were tired of Lamar Lamarin because subconsciously in the
(11:58):
back of their head, not supposed to rob They're gonna.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Say, but he ain't gonna do nothing in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
But no, they're not supposed to, but they But they
also the no, you're gonna tell me Brett Favre right,
Barry Bonds won seven? How many World Series did he win?
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Zero?
Speaker 5 (12:16):
When when I hear that, I just think it's a
false that's a false statement.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
But other guys hold on.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Peyton Manning was considered what a regular season great quarterback
and a failure in the playoffs for most of his career.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yet he's still won five.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So now to use that against Lamar is unfair, That's
all I'm saying. I agree, but Manny has a losing
record all the time. In the postseason.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
Conversation I had, we talk about it more. It's on
every show more. The narratives are out there. It's the
literal first thing on every show is in there is
Josh Allen, is Lamar Gonna?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Is he not good enough?
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Or is there the narratives, we hear them over and
over and I think those things penetrate people's minds. And
when you go back to Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds was
literally just that much.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Better than everybody else. It wasn't even there was.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
No right but they could have said, well, buddy, I'm
saying two hundred in the postseason.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Right, But I'm saying there was no rival for him
for a run once he became Barry Posts.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
You know what, There was just simply no rival.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
And so I'm saying with Lamar and Josh, at least
it was comp like, okay, but see it.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
But even the argument, if it's numbers, it's Lamar. If
it's wins, how is it Josh? When Jared Golf and
Patrick Mahomes have more? So, which one is it? Patrick
Mahomes is just the strongest chief team. No, they won
fifteen games, right, fifteen to two, But he got no
first place votes, so it can't be about winning. This
(13:39):
is what I'm trying to say. And then you can't
say it's about numbers, because Lamar's numbers are so much.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
The best thing in this case to me was people
felt Josh Allen took a Bills team that some predicted
wouldn't even win their division, might even be second in
the Vision, might even be third in their division, to
the Jets with a healthy Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
So that was a real thing.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
I think they're looking at him and saying, Josh Allen
took this team and he overachieved.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And then Lamars start owing to four was it the Bill?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Lamar started ohing to only nine percent of teams that
start oing to make the playoffs. And the point is,
you shouldn't have been on the championship last they're on
the they're on they're the best division, they're they're in
the best they're in the best division of and.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
We'll talk later about coach of the year.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
It's the same conversation, like, oh, expectations, I expected, you
are already in the AFC Championship, Lamar, You're supposed to
do that. You're supposed to be good this year, and
Josh Allen overachieved. That was a narrative I knew people
were gonna run with, even though I've said it. You
said it.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Lamar is the best player, all.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Right, eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven
seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. What a
voters coward for picking Lamar Jackson for All Pro but
Josh Allen for MVP. I think they were cowards, the
cowardly lions.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
All those voters.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Dan Olowski, Ammanual, Emmanuel Ocho. We'll continue skos whatever, We'll
continue that conversation next man, it's Manuel cho It's The
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coming hour on a funky flashback Friday, Calvin real quick,
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before we get started and talking about Eli Manning and
not getting in the Hall of Fame, I want to
send out a very very special happy sixteenth birthday to
Nyla Smith, who is my goddaughter, who is smart, beautiful, friendly, joyful,
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just a beautiful young person who's going up into a
beautiful young woman. And I send out all my love
and hope she has many many more birthday.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Happy birthday too, Happy Nyla, Nyla Smith, Happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Now you know what dad is? I do know her
dad is? Her dad is Steven A Smith.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
I think you call it Steve Well, I just for
other people, yeah, yeah, I'm just for the lay.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Person, yes, but but but yeah, Nila and always an honor.
You know, you know, Steve and I go way back
to somebody. And you guys know y'all have kids. When
you pass around to god parent, that's somebody who's special
to you.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
We are godparents. My wife and I. We know what
it has my parents for our children. It's an honor
to be considered that. Really, it was the type of
bond you have with that parent, and then obviously you
have with the kids.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
So happy birthday to her, Happy happy birthday. Birthday. Night's awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
All right, let's go here. Eli Manning did not get in. Roger,
y'all finally.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Got finally each hour I told you Josh Allen was
going there.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Finally, I was killing it. If I would have got
these two.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And you know when I tell you Aergie, I was
gonna do a dance up here.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I told you Eli one, and I ain't even sure
he gonna get in.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
He already predicted. Instead of just taking your and just leave.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
It under one of these crazy these little uh what
they call the little things that pick up stuff with
I'm about to hop in that and run around his
place like Marshaun Lynchley in the little golf cart.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
If you got if you get that right?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Uh, you and Marcellus Waally will be doing a show
on five seventy next.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Let me te you all right.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
But anyway, Eli did not get in first ballot, and uh,
Eli was out here. Rob Woodson was asked about it,
and here's Eli manning.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
I'm excited for those guys that god dam all of
them are so deserving and this is just a great
you know, happy happy for them. And texted a few
of them, the guys that I knew, and just ingratulated them.
So I had a feeling wasn't gonna be my night
and I understand that, and that's I'm totally at peace,
and uh, you know, it's not going to change my
outlook of my career and how I feel about it.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
You guys are so freaking mean. You're not mean. First
do me.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Let me tell you something. He's from the royal family
of the NFL. He's got a bunch of money, he
is incredibly likable.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Who doesn't like Eli the person? Like he paid her great?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
This is where I disagree with the voters, and again
I'm not a Pro Football Hall of Fame voter. Their
whole process to me is antiquated and ridiculous in that
people who have to get up and make a pitch
for people I don't even understand why you know you
have to you to nominate and then go up and
then tell the reasons why somebody should get in, And
(19:27):
to me, it should be the stats, the information.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
And then people just like voting.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Like we vote in the baseball Hall of Fame, and
you have ten spots on the ballot, we don't limit
how many people get in. If there's ten one year,
ten get x. If there's none the next year, nobody
gets in. Like this whole thing. Only five can go
in football at twenty two positions, but only five players
can get into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That makes no sense to me.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Okay, baseball, there are nine positions and ten people could
not that ten people I'll ever get in at the
same time. But here's my thing that I don't understand,
as if if you don't vote for him the first time,
but in year two or three or four you vote
for him, and then like you're punishing him. He's still
(20:14):
gonna be a Hall of Famer, he's still gonna wear
the yellow jacket. You're still going to announce him at
a banquet or golf outing as Hall of Famer Eli Manning.
But like so, if you're going to put him in,
this is not a punishment. If you're not gonna put
him in, then that's different. But for people to say,
well he'll get in down the road, that doesn't make
(20:36):
sense to me.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Either you are or you are.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And I told you that's why I don't vote for
people after the first time. If I vote the first time,
your stats aren't getting better, you're not still playing.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
What has changed for me?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
The only thing that changes is narratives, not numbers, and
that's where people get in trouble.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Well, here's the interesting thing, going back to the NFL
because versus the MLVIVO. So you look at this h
he can still be selected as part of the future classes.
We know that, but you have a maximum of five
modern players that can actually be chosen.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
So you look at the He didn't get in this year.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
I didn't think he would because I didn't think he
was a first ballot meaning automatic.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Doug, clearly you're in. Well you go to next year.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
I'm looking at this list for twenty twenty six, Drew Brees,
we'd all agrees first ballot Larry Fitzgerald first ballot going in.
Then Jason Whitten would imagine gets a little ify there,
but wide.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Receivers have had I don't you know Chris Carter took
form to get in. I'm just saying I believe that, yeah, termones,
which is clearly first three three years with his numbers,
that didn't make any sense he should have gone in.
You see what I'm saying, So he too could wind
up ELI could be like too.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
And but the reason I'm bringing this up is because
I believe there are some people who clearly voted for him,
and you'll say, well, he's how is he gonna get
in nextra because they'll say, oh, well, he's up against
these guys the next year, and maybe they like him
over Philip Rivers, they like him over Frank Gore, just
to name some of the guys that we already know
who could be in that class. So they could just
(22:11):
be Nah, I don't like him up against these guys.
It's not that I don't think he should ever, It's
just this group of guys. You know, he's not better
than any of them or warrants it more than any
of them. And then we pop up next year, maybe
they say he's over Drew Brees or that he's over
Philip Rivers. So he has a shot each year based
off who's on that list, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, but they could tell we we'll make somebody else
wait another year, you know what I.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Mean, that's gonna be Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
He ain't getting in, Like Philip Rivers hasn't won anything.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
But his numbers are gonna be good.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
But people are gonna be like, no, he didn't win anything,
So Philip Rivers might get that. He's gonna have to
keep waiting down a lot. Ultimately, I don't think he's
gonna get in, but yeah, I just do. I knew
Eli Manning. I still believe he's gonna get in because
again he has two MVPs in finals MVPs to his credit,
and I still believe who he beat mad At. He
beat Brady not once but twice, and he's a Manning.
(23:06):
I think that matters. But I knew he wasn't first
ballot just because.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
But the first ballot part is what But I know,
but what is it?
Speaker 6 (23:15):
What is because in their minds, because in their minds,
ROP series.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Is in the Hall of Fame? Is it punishment? I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's an honor. It's an honor to an honor.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So Sterling show up shouldn't be excited that he got
in with the Veterans Committee and he had been on
the ballot, so he has.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
A lesser hall of fame.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Is No, it's not that. It's not. I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
We all graduate, right, somebody soon come Lottie or somebody
has whatever little stripe with different things. So we all graduate.
We're all about to twist our cat, turn the little thing.
We're gonna throw our hats in the air. We're gonna
go to our banquets and receptions. We all graduated. But
there's certain people had different bars and strikes.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
We can all have on No, but but nobody I'm
saying who uses the first ballot as if there's something different, because.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
We do say that.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
We do say that though, like when we're just casually
talking to our friends, and if I were like if
we were say, man, Steph Curry, man ain't first ballot
hall of Famer, Like it's our way of saying.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So you say, Chris Carter, ten year ballot Hall of Famer?
What you say, No, I'm saying you would but it
was ten years for him, So that you don't.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Put the year, Why not only when it's the first,
because it's a it's a way of establishing I think.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Either in the fame, either the Hall of Fame or
you're not there's or if he doesn't make it, then
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
But to me, there's no difference.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
I think that that's a semantics.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
He still gets the yellow jel nobody, he still gets
the when he goes to a card signing his money,
his money's gonna be higher than somebody who doesn't have
a yellow jown.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
First ballot also dignifies there is no question, And I
think that's what it what it also symbols with Eli.
You you believe he should I don't. Rob do you
believe he should be ever not wolly get in? But
should he?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
No?
Speaker 6 (24:59):
I don't you should see not norere do I We've
had some people who will say, yes, okay, you had
two finals. My point is that's why there's a distinguished
that doesn't make any silence that.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
So Joe Namers should come out.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I'm asking no, not come out. But I'm saying, but
I'm asking Joe name of Chica. I don't think you
should have been all of fame.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Okay, but he's another I say about it right, Well,
well to your guys point, all right, So the Eli
Manning thing has been a hot button conversation for y'all
for months since the show started.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
All this is isle real they played at the Super Bowl?
Was you guys arguing about Eli Manning? Right? All right?
Speaker 7 (25:28):
So, according to Ari Meyrov from the thirty thirty team,
they do great job, great work over there. The balloting
for football is not the same as base. They don't show, Hey,
this guy received ten percent this year, twelve percent, fifteen.
This is kept under wraps until we find out who
gets in and who didn't. So he's reporting that Eli
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Manning quote wasn't remotely close to getting in this year,
and that the two guys who didn't get in that
were the closest at the most support were Luke Keigley,
who we.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Talked about on the way to lunch today and addam
It Tarry, who we both think first ballot.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
I think they don't do kickers justice, but the.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Patriots, I'm sorry, he was the best kicker in big moment.
If he misses two kicks, Tom Brady isn't Tom Brady Like,
that's how big?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
When so did he went to sup vote the Colts?
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Right, So if we play this game, and I know
it's a weird hypothetical, but if we play this game,
we say, hey, next season, Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald automatic,
you would think after another year of debate, because I
think guys are if you don't get in first in
a second ballot, keithleyavianitaria in, that leaves one more spot.
Maybe Eli gets in there. And then if you look
ahead to twenty twenty seven, Adrian Peterson is eligible, Richard
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Sherman's eligible. Rob Gronkowski is aligimatic. Here's Antonio Brown is eligible.
To say what you want about him and his leg,
but you don't know if they did what they Ben
Roethlisberger is eligible the way he's you know, like there's
guy and so.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Antonio Brown might not get in at all.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And I'm that seriously, you walked out on the game,
and I know what I mean, the game. It was
a game during the game, and it we'll hold the NFL.
So I bring all this up just to talent.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
So but I bring this up just the same and
you say, if you're a Hall of Famer, it doesn't
really matter when you get in. Does the idea that
potentially Eli Manning not only does get it first first ballot,
but it's third, fourth, fifth, sixth, does he eventually become
a guy who's gonna get in on the sympathy vote
that you see in baseball.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, we just saw a sympathy m VP for Josh,
so it can happen. But my point is that's why
I'm against the rob G just for that reason. We
saw it with Billy Wagner. This was his tenth year.
This is last year on the ballot. Oh, we just
missed it last year. Oh it was only ten point
five his first year. And then slowly but surely and
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if you begin started to get sympathy.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
My thing is vote for every body the first year.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Either they order out and once you're out robbed G
and Kelvin, you're out. That's it, like like, leave it open,
leave it open for everybody. Vote for him. If he's
Hall of Fame, you vote for him. If he's not,
you don't for him. No second year, third year, fourth year.
To me, that diminishes when guys get in. And that's
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been my whole boy.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Lawrence Taylor, you say, yeah, I just feel like it
should I've always said that it should be so, you
should be so to pray a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
It should just be not a clue.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
If I say Larry Bird, you say Magine, John, Yes, yes, yes, yes,
you know Joe Monteddy, Yes, that's how I feel like it's.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
All right, real quick question before we get two other
callers here, Rob for you personally, Yes, since Eli did
not get in first battle, what you wanted?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
You wanted him to get in.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
If he doesn't get in twenty twenty six, doesn't get
into twenty twenty seven, the next eligible year, there's hardly
anyone who's really strong in that class. But Tom Brady
is eligible in twenty two. Would you rather him get
in in twenty twenty eight so that he's on the
thing with Tom Brady as the only guy who beat
Tom Brady twice.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, well, rather than any other year.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
That would be interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
And and I'm sure and football is different because in
baseball we've seen that where somebody of that it could
go and wind up going in by themselves over you
know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Like that they make a point to say, hey, only
Tom's getting in this year?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Was that was? Was that Mariano Rivero? Did he only
get in by hisself? I'm trying to think because you
know him and Jeter weren't the same. I can't remember,
but you know what I mean, like it was really special.
But anyway, Yeah, that would be something if those two
were together.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
It really would be.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Eight seven seven. Tom will be nervous though.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I lose eight seven seven ninety nine off Fox eight
seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. Do
you have a problem with Eli Manning not being a
first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
We'll continue that conversation next with you.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
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We'll get into the super Bowl, what's going on out
in Vegas, what the odds are and the things, the
prop bets, all that stuff, plus last call if you
didn't get a chance to get in. And also NFL
pig skin pickoff. We make our picks. I think you
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Speaker 3 (31:30):
We tie all the way to this. Are we tied? Yes,
comes down to it.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
We literally time this time, man, this is we do
know we're on the opposite so somebody but we'll.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Get more into that.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So we got a really good hour to wrap up
things here in New Orleans. What a great time it's been.
You know, I've been to a lot of Super Bowls.
I told you before. I don't know the exact number,
but I was here twenty two years ago, two thousand
and three for that Super Bowl. So just imagine I
was there for that. That was the Patriots, uh winning
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the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Now it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
MS so I covered that.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
That was the greatest show on turf, right, getting like
sixteen points or whatever it was they lost in that
Super Bowl. But now we talked about it. I think
we mentioned it. That's eleven super Bowls for New Orleans, right,
tis Yeah, yes, that is the most Miami Miami for
the most. And it's a great super Bowl town. I
really I really enjoyed being here. It's a different spot.
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It's off the beaten path. You got to kind of
come here yep, right, yep, and a foods man getting
magnificent people.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
It's just they know they know how to do this stuff.
Like literally, they're getting shutting this thing down. Super Bowl
to be over Sunday night, and they're getting ready for
Mardi Gras.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Here in a couple couple of weeks.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
So they know how to host big events for it
to be a smaller major city.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
So so let's go here.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
The final topic, big topic for the show as we
look at the super Bowl forty eight hours away, and
you know the talk is Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs.
Obviously they're trying to three Pete in the super Bowl era,
the first time anybody in this era has been able
to do that has been done before. And then the
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Patrick Mahomes, if he wins three in a row, he'll
have four, right.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yep, out of what six trips to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
So there's all this other stuff that's there, and then
the big thing is you know where he fits in
and see the goat and the Goat conversation and all
that kind of stuff. So earlier this week, Patrick Mahomes
was asked about that whole goat conversation, and here he is.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
I'm trying to be the greatest Patrick Mahomes that I
can be. I mean, that's obviously a goal of anyone's
is going to be the greatest of their profession. But
in order to do that, you think the greatest that
you can be every single day. And if that's on
the field and not the work ethic got put in
or off the field, and the father and then the husband,
and I am I'm gonna try to be the greatest
in that way and whenever I'm doing with football, and
I thought, leave everything out there the way that I
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feel like I have so far as far as effort
and mentality. I'll be happy with the results and I'll
let others talk about who the greatest is of whatever
profession that is.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
You know what, I'll say this, I respect Patrick Mahomes
from this STEMP. It's not for him to decide. And
that's why I've always had to push back with Lebron.
We're sitting there in the barbershop and talking about, oh yeah,
when we came back through the one, that's when I
knew I was the goat. That Really, for you to
be thinking that is weird to me. I'm dead serious.
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Like that's for others, for sports writers, for fans. Sure,
you want to be in a conversation people think, oh
I watched the greatest quarterback whoever played in the National
Football League. That's an honor and that's not something you
gun for. You talk about, Yeah, I want to be No,
you want to be the best player. You can be
do as much as you can lay it out on
the table, right, and then you come out and people say, man,
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we were lucky to watch that guy play.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Yeah, well, shoot, I think I think that's why people
already some already consider him to go. Some say he's
on the road, the path two beings. I don't know
anybody can say that, to be honest. Let's walk through that.
So the difference of why people are okay doing that,
And let's take Tom Brady. I know, Joe Montanna for you,
but let's just for take these two. For this example,
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Tom Brady did a lot of this without style points.
He did a lot of this dinking and dunky.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
He did a lot of.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
This without you know, we knew he was never gonna run.
He had you know, quick dropbacks. Patrick Mahomes from the
minute he got started, we were like, oh, that's different.
And Patrick Mahomes has kind of taken the best of
the talent of Aaron Rodgers. Where we all are looking
at arm talent, look at mobility, can run. Look at
his you know, throwing arms sideways, all types of crazy passes,
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no look passes like he's on a basketball court. But
also he has the accolades that Aaron Rodgers doesn't have
of a Tom Brady, and you mentioned some of them already,
robbed two times MVP, six time Pro Bowl, two time
off Pro, three time Super Bowl champ, could be four
here in just a moment, already three time IVY.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
I mean, obviously Player of the Year from all these
different writers awards. It's just crazy what he's done already.
And the man ain't even thirty. And if you look
at some of the peers of the Aaron Rodgers and
the Tom Brady's, and he may play to be thirty
eight to forty one, forty two, which means it could
get scary his war chest, you know, in all the
accolades when this is all said and done that So
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I'm mixing the stat accolades, super Bowl wins, all the
MVPs with the style point.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
He looks different than Tom.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
He hasn't made, but he hasn't had the style points
of late and that and that's where I disagree with you.
I agree when he first burst on a scene, but
we haven't seen that quarterback.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
We he has, but we saw enough even so far.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
But I'm just saying, and we haven't seen certain The
first one was like oh my god.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Right, it was like yo, what is this?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
And and it's funny because we have seen that he
hasn't nearly been as good or prolific, and we've seen
a lot of bad Patrick Mahomes of late, and yet
they still have won. But that's the part where you
look at him and go, you know, how is this
going to end? What happens when Andy retires? What happens
if they take away more pieces from him? Will he
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go as last eight or nine years with winning? Will
we feel the same?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
You know?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
We always talking about recency bias, what's happened lately?
Speaker 5 (37:28):
And we talked about John Elway.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
What made John Elway a different view in people's eyes
is the way he finished with the way he finished,
not the way he started where he couldn't win a
super Bowl. So I don't know, I just don't know
how you could look at him right here today and
say he's the goat.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
I don't think.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
I just I think that's the weather and they're forecasting,
but they're saying.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Well, they still say he's the goat.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
If I'm asking you, so, I think he has literally
done an enough to be in the like if not
if forever he loses, but that's do the opposite.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Let's say he wins. Not want to say it loses,
and we know you do, but let's I'm like Jared
Goff through three in or.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Seven, right, and just like I'm gonna say he wins
and that's four.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Right.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
So now he retires with four and let's say for
that he just literally walked away, like I just what
i would be my family, I've loved, you know, I'm.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Done to have four already to have.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
And let's say maybe he wins MVP that before Super
Bowl MVPs and the eye tests of what you saw.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I can see why he would be considered that because titles.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I don't I don't think that that would supersede for
people what tom Brady has done. And I don't think
he's the goat, but that tom Brady people would not
allow you to say, because tom Brady had two different
careers and what made his different and separated him and
you know, I'm not defecting.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
You're not tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
But he one ones with the Patriots and then left
and then won another one with another team.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Patrick came to a team that was already winning. I'm
not taking anything away from him.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
They couldn't get over the hum but they were already
winning going to the playoffs with Alex Smith, and we
already know what Andy Weid did with Donovan McNabb and
every quarterback who's ever played for him, and Patrick Mahomes
finally was that guy to push through and take Andy
Weid there. I think there's a different conversation about him
if they don't win.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Well, but because they would only be at three, I'm
saying if he wins, it is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
What he's done is such a small amount of time.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
How that do you come into the league and all
you have is four rings, if possibly four Super Bowl
MVPs already and you ain't even thirty yet. That's literally
insane that run. They would have been in the first
team to three pt in the Super Bowl era. Tom
ain't do that, Joe Montana ain't do that. John Elway
didn't do that, and he even have that also to
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say I did that. So I think for me personally,
if he wins, if he gets the five, I've seen enough.
He doesn't have to get seven, he don't have to
superseed break, and he gets five, he's already almost have
done this.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I think.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I think that's because you're in this era. You believe
that Lebron with the most losses in the finals, you
think he's the MVP just by going, even though he
doesn't have as many as Michael.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
No. No, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
They're young guys like you, younger who believe in that.
And you're already like, oh, well, Lebron, he's played for
twenty five years and he got all these points. And
but but people have watched both like me, I don't
think that.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
So can't let me say why isn't he to go?
If he to my point, if he wins five? Because
I don't do the you have to have x amount
of rings because then Robert Rriy or Bill Russell are
the best.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Because no, no, Robert Ory never let a team shut
out that many all start now, Robert Orry, you can't
use him. He's a he's a club tree at six. Okay,
but you know what I mean. Subreeen played twenty some
odd years as well. I'm saying, and that's what I'm
trying to say. He doesn't have to simply be rings.
I also take the eye test. Michael look different than
Tom Brady, but he hasn't looked the same the last
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couple the last couple of years, he got that guy.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
But what I'm saying, you're still taking the totality of their.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Michael Jordan looked great the whole way through. That's what
I'm trying to say. People are saying, oh, he's Jordans.
Michael Jordan never looked bad like like we've saw Patrick mahomee.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
It's in some some narrative.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
Point, but it's football is different, and that I can
lean on my running game, or I can lean on
Jordan every night.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Telling me that Patrick Patrick Mahomes wants to win fifteen
games and not be considered an m VP candidate, I
don't absolutely, I do not do. He don't need anymore
about needing more. He wants to play the best that
he can play. Doesn't have to be I don't believe
that it's a cop out, because if he was winning
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all the m vps, then you would put more credence.
It's the same thing with Lebron, like because he's long
so many you gotta discount. It's about getting there. If
Lebron was winning all of those and had more than
Michael Jordan Truck. Guess what you would be saying, he
got sad.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Of course, what I'm saying is Patrick. But that's why
I bring up Marv Levy to you. He went to four,
he didn't win.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Nobody thinks he's great, and that's why I'm saying getting
to something is not the same as winn at Holmes.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
Being fifteen to two every year for the next eight years.
He would signed okay to heart heat.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
No, he would yes, absolutely to go to not win
a Super Bowl in eight years.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
No, you are s talking about the gameplay. You said
toy doesn't play like he did. I said, if he
played exactly how he has played.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
If he does not, if he plays eight more years
of say they lose, I'll give you the scenario and
doesn't win again. Andy, we retired the team and shambles.
I gotta restart when a plays eight or nine. Tom
Brady went nine years without winning. Okay before we had
the second run. So to tom Brady, like eight years.
He's ready to retire, had a great start to his career.
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People will not look at him the same way he is.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Tom Brady is currently the goat.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
No I'm talking about right, but I'm saying Patatrick mahone
he wins went out.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Without tom Brady's second act, he wouldn't be considered three.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
No, for sure.
Speaker 6 (43:13):
But I mean, but you're taking the only different only
judging for the total.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I'm saying the only difference between him tom Brady, and
Mahomes would be it could be the same amount of
super Bowls three or he Mahomes could have one more.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
And you get my point. And that's what I say.
They lose.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Tom Brady won three early nine years without winning, and
then he wound up winning again for late. So I'm saying,
Patrick Mahomes, we don't know yet if they lose on
Sunday and then they go through a dry spell. Right,
But the kindessy Chiefs before they won their first one
went fifty years, right.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
I want you know for sure.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
The only thing I'll say before we break here. You
keep projecting the negative they don't win. I'm telling you
watch what I'm saying. You projecting they don't win Sunday
and he doesn't win to get nine years? What about
what we've seen says they win Sunday and then he wins.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
No done or two more. It's exactly. But what i'm
saying is I'm giving it no, but I'm giving you
a Patriots dynasty that went nine.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Years without win. Nobody's ever done three short I'm not
one more. Nobody's ever won three in a row.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
So I'm telling you they're gonna lose on Sunday because
no one's ever won in a Super Bowl ere right,
So they lose. And I'm telling you Andy Weed's not
getting younger. Patrick Mahomes has not been as good. Kelsey
might say, I'm done, okay, So I'm saying all these
different things. I'm saying is you're not finishing the Patriots story.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Rob they won, Yes, it went nine years, they still
ended up winning more. Why stopping at try but not
going the next four? Andy Reid is not the age
that Bill bella chatter. What I'm saying they won three more.
You keep saying they went nine years, but you're stopping
the Patriots were nine years and.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Nine years without winning. Patrick Mahomes has already played seven years.
How many years he's playing? Why playing.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Forty two years old? Have you seen Patrick Mahomes? Why not?
Is he in Gray Shade? He doesn't have to. I'm
saying he can go to forty, that's eleven years.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
What would what would Patrick Mahomes need to do to
become the goat?
Speaker 3 (45:21):
To you? Would it be a.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Super Bowl three three pete to put him over the top?
Does he need to do more? Where you will continue
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Yes man, what a week it has been?
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Is that correct? Right forty eight hours away.
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Speaker 5 (02:32):
All kinds of stuff to do. So let me welcome
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Speaker 1 (02:36):
He is Kelvin Washington. Kelvin Washington, Man, she's.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
A week rob.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
A couple quick notes before we get this thing rolling.
One big shout out to everybody who rock with us podcasts.
If you can't listen live, folks who listen live, Man,
it's been a great week of running into fans of
the show, family of the show, all week Man in
different walks of life, they had just been.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
So it's been awesome to see that and and and
get some love from people down here in New Orleans. Uh,
and for people who came all over the country to
be here specifically, so I want to say big shots
to all of them.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Man, that was good.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Like for us, this was our first trip together with
Kelvin being a part of it, and rob GE's here
and Elijah and Saga, and we kind of did a
lot of stuff together. It went out to eat and
hung out and it was good.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It was I got to see how married you and
rob G are. We just keep backing for I known, like,
what are you doing? What are you doing? Milk? I
got the milk, it's sitting there. I left the keys,
I got them for you. Yeah. I got to see
that firsthand.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
So yes, right, seven years rob G, that's a long time.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
We got to see Brussorry yesterday too. So it's just
been it's been great man. And the uh, the hospitality
here in New Orleans has to be expected because you
only hear good things. I've been here before as you have,
and uh, it didn't let us down again. Everybody's been great.
So it's been a great week. So ready to close
it out with a big show man, no.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Doubt, a lot to you so little time.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So yeah, we will get there and let's kick it
off because you know, I first.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Will say.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
My panties weren't a bunch last night, thanks all Texas.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Yeah, you know how they were much of the bunch.
Because you ain't even welcome in the coop the crew.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Let me just I know, you know, I'm all worked out.
That's how I know.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You walk them in the couple jumping. I know, let's
welcome in the odd couple of cool. You wouldn't be
able to do this five radio program without him. Of course,
Rob g is our producer. Steve de Sager is at
the anchor desk. He'll keep us updated throughout the program
and of course on the ones and twos. Why your bug,
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and I already said Elijah of course our social media guru.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
He's packed. I'm out for a little bit right on
the whole show way.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Making sure he got about six bags three suitcases ready
to go.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
And we got to uh meet and spend some time
with miss Eliza.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
Yes, I told her, I said, oh, it's great to
know who puts up with him all the time. Exactly, Yes,
that's me that Yeah, we actually have. Yeah, we heard
of her.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
We ain't heard of Elijah, exactly right, we we we
haven't heard of you, but we've.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Heard of her.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
We ain't heard of you. Right, I lived the same thing.
People that not excited when they see me, they excited
so much so. Rob stew has a screenshot of my wife, but.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
No I deleted it.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I deleted all right, maybe not okay, all right, let's
do this. So last night, of course, we didn't get
the announcement in time for the show.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Remember we were waiting on it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We thought that the NFL Honors would happen during the
show and.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
We would start over. The prolonged that Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Whether or not Eli Manning got in on the first ballot,
you said he wouldn't, Rob g said he wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
You guys were right. I thought he would.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Get in and uh, you know, Eli read the comments
that he's fined with it, and he called the other people.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
But you know, here's did we start at them? When
we start there? You are because you listen, y'all.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Let me let me what we got two things that
what I'm trying to tell you. Rob has been interrupted
all of our servers and waiters all day.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Sir, do you want fries with the burger? Let's tell you,
Josh Allen, Hey, no way, Lamar was job. She's trying
to do a job and get our food. Rob okay.
So so let's get straight to it. Josh Allen winning
m v P.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
But you also, you guys text me and yes and
and that was the other one. And you both were saying,
Josh Allen, rob g almost all year you were along ride.
I didn't believe it when when I saw the All
Pro and eleven years right, the last the last eleven quarterbacks,
it hasn't happened. And somehow people change their votes. Dan
(06:53):
Olowski changes vote, Emmanuel Acho and changed his vote.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Uh. And really my message.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And you might have seen on social media for some
people maybe not, but they're cowards. The voters wind up
being cowards. And the other people we haven't heard from,
so we don't know. It's like ten people change their votes,
right is that the number?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Like ten?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
So we on thereself another seven or eight people out there.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
We don't know how you could vote for somebody for
All Pro but not the MVP. And that's my point
about being cowards if you want. It's not that I'm
I'm against voting for Josh Allen. The one thing I
do respect is everybody has a vote and have the
right to vote who they want.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Okay, I've always.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Said that, right, I've said that, like I don't agree
with it. I didn't think Billy Wagner deserved to get
in the Hall of Fame, but that's your vote.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Enough people voted for him. I'm not gonna fight that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
It's not math two and two four, no matter who's
doing the math. So everybody has their things. But my
thing is, deep down they knew they couldn't shut Lamar out,
so was like, we're gonna give Lamar this because we
know we're taking away the MVP, and it was like
a like and I call it splitting the baby in half.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
If you were really about Josh Allen and his importance,
then he should have been All Pro first Team and
the MVP or vice versa. Lamar should have been All
Pro first Team and MVP. To split it makes absolutely
no sense. Hasn't been done since nineteen eighty seven, and
(08:36):
that's where I think the voters became cowards. Because if
you're a Josh Allen guy, go with Josh Allen, give
them all the accolades. You can't tell me he's not
first team but he's MVP. That doesn't even go together.
It's illogical. And that's the issue that I have here.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Here's so I feel you on that. But also to
add to the issued, here's the trouble with this. When
things are made, it's you know.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Who are people? Of course, people are going to people.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
People come in with their own ideologies of what something is.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
People come on with.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Their own storylines they're tired of, or what they want
more of, or how they view the phrase. And we
do this with every sport MVP every two years. We
have this argument in the NBA because this person Carl
Malone went over Jordan, Derrick Rose went over Lebron, Steve
nashall went over Shaq and Kobe. People will say, ain't
(09:28):
no way, you're trying to tell me Steve nash it's better,
And they said, well, no, it's not that he's better,
it's that he's the most valuable. Same thing happened here.
Is it the best player, which in how you and
I believe is lamar is it the best player on
the best team. Well to something you said, issue, is
it then Patrick Mahomes or Jared Goff, is it the
best stats? Then maybe that's Joe Burrow or Lamar. So
(09:48):
it becomes so many things. It becomes so subjective to
these folks, and that's what happened. Autro talked about it.
He said, well, I called him and I asked him, well,
what's the criteria, and they are like, oh, well.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Bros who had the best season, they should they should
have taken they should have taken his vote away if
he didn't know. Because this is the only pushback I'm
gonna give you. Every other year, nobody had a question
of what what because I don't buy that, Like you're saying,
we don't know what MVP is.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Okay, So the other.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Last time eleven quarter guys okay, and so so nobody
else had an issue. The problem is we're in a
in a period where you have narratives rather than numbers.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
And now I'll go back to this with Billy Wagner.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Just really quickly, he got ten point five percent of
the vote, didn't pitch for nine years, but the narrative
was for a left handed pitcher.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
He's outstanding. Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So a narrative built up, and the narrative for Josh
Allen became came to life. Joe lm bed a narrative.
Oh my god, you can't give the Joker three championships
without of I mean three MVPs without a chance that.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
But then he wound up winning anyway, And.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
That is why narrative.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
And you know, it's not that I don't think Lamar
is the best player. I've said, including Patrick Maholmes this year,
Lamar Jackson was the best player in football period. I've
said it all year. But I know how people do.
People start here, Oh, Josh Allen doesn't have anything.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
He only has this.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Player, which which is after overstated because James Cook gets down.
The offensive line is great, Berry good. Defense has been strong,
not great, but stronger. And they have they have some
obviously kinkaidan other tight ends like they're not barren. They
don't that the cupboard isn't empty. But that became a
big storyline. Look what Josh all is doing, Josh Allen
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in his own division some people had with the healthy tool,
the Dolphins are going to be better than them. We
already know what the chiefs are gonna do. We know
what the expectations are in Lamar Jackson. So all Lamar
did was Lamar what he was supposed to do. Josh overachieved.
And I knew people were gonna say that. I knew
people were tired of Lamar Lamarin because subconsciously in the
(11:58):
back of their head, not supposed to rob They're gonna.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Say, but he ain't gonna do nothing in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
But no, they're not supposed to, but they But they
also the no, you're gonna tell me Brett Favre right,
Barry Bonds won seven? How many World Series did he win?
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Zero?
Speaker 5 (12:16):
When when I hear that, I just think it's a
false that's a false statement.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
But other guys hold on.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Peyton Manning was considered what a regular season great quarterback
and a failure in the playoffs for most of his career.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yet he's still won five.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So now to use that against Lamar is unfair, That's
all I'm saying. I agree, but Manny has a losing
record all the time. In the postseason.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
Conversation I had, we talk about it more. It's on
every show more. The narratives are out there. It's the
literal first thing on every show is in there is
Josh Allen, is Lamar Gonna?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Is he not good enough?
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Or is there the narratives, we hear them over and
over and I think those things penetrate people's minds. And
when you go back to Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds was
literally just that much.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Better than everybody else. It wasn't even there was.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
No right but they could have said, well, buddy, I'm
saying two hundred in the postseason.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Right, But I'm saying there was no rival for him
for a run once he became Barry Posts.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
You know what, There was just simply no rival.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
And so I'm saying with Lamar and Josh, at least
it was comp like, okay, but see it.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
But even the argument, if it's numbers, it's Lamar. If
it's wins, how is it Josh? When Jared Golf and
Patrick Mahomes have more? So, which one is it? Patrick
Mahomes is just the strongest chief team. No, they won
fifteen games, right, fifteen to two, But he got no
first place votes, so it can't be about winning. This
(13:39):
is what I'm trying to say. And then you can't
say it's about numbers, because Lamar's numbers are so much.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
The best thing in this case to me was people
felt Josh Allen took a Bills team that some predicted
wouldn't even win their division, might even be second in
the Vision, might even be third in their division, to
the Jets with a healthy Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
So that was a real thing.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
I think they're looking at him and saying, Josh Allen
took this team and he overachieved.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And then Lamars start owing to four was it the Bill?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Lamar started ohing to only nine percent of teams that
start oing to make the playoffs. And the point is,
you shouldn't have been on the championship last they're on
the they're on they're the best division, they're they're in
the best they're in the best division of and.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
We'll talk later about coach of the year.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
It's the same conversation, like, oh, expectations, I expected, you
are already in the AFC Championship, Lamar, You're supposed to
do that. You're supposed to be good this year, and
Josh Allen overachieved. That was a narrative I knew people
were gonna run with, even though I've said it. You
said it.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Lamar is the best player, all.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Right, eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven
seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. What a
voters coward for picking Lamar Jackson for All Pro but
Josh Allen for MVP. I think they were cowards, the
cowardly lions.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
All those voters.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Dan Olowski, Ammanual, Emmanuel Ocho. We'll continue skos whatever, We'll
continue that conversation next man, it's Manuel cho It's The
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coming hour on a funky flashback Friday, Calvin real quick,
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before we get started and talking about Eli Manning and
not getting in the Hall of Fame, I want to
send out a very very special happy sixteenth birthday to
Nyla Smith, who is my goddaughter, who is smart, beautiful, friendly, joyful,
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just a beautiful young person who's going up into a
beautiful young woman. And I send out all my love
and hope she has many many more birthday.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Happy birthday too, Happy Nyla, Nyla Smith, Happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Now you know what dad is? I do know her
dad is? Her dad is Steven A Smith.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
I think you call it Steve Well, I just for
other people, yeah, yeah, I'm just for the lay.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Person, yes, but but but yeah, Nila and always an honor.
You know, you know, Steve and I go way back
to somebody. And you guys know y'all have kids. When
you pass around to god parent, that's somebody who's special
to you.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
We are godparents. My wife and I. We know what
it has my parents for our children. It's an honor
to be considered that. Really, it was the type of
bond you have with that parent, and then obviously you
have with the kids.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
So happy birthday to her, Happy happy birthday. Birthday. Night's awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
All right, let's go here. Eli Manning did not get in. Roger,
y'all finally.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Got finally each hour I told you Josh Allen was
going there.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Finally, I was killing it. If I would have got
these two.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And you know when I tell you Aergie, I was
gonna do a dance up here.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I told you Eli one, and I ain't even sure
he gonna get in.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
He already predicted. Instead of just taking your and just leave.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
It under one of these crazy these little uh what
they call the little things that pick up stuff with
I'm about to hop in that and run around his
place like Marshaun Lynchley in the little golf cart.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
If you got if you get that right?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Uh, you and Marcellus Waally will be doing a show
on five seventy next.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Let me te you all right.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
But anyway, Eli did not get in first ballot, and uh,
Eli was out here. Rob Woodson was asked about it,
and here's Eli manning.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
I'm excited for those guys that god dam all of
them are so deserving and this is just a great
you know, happy happy for them. And texted a few
of them, the guys that I knew, and just ingratulated them.
So I had a feeling wasn't gonna be my night
and I understand that, and that's I'm totally at peace,
and uh, you know, it's not going to change my
outlook of my career and how I feel about it.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
You guys are so freaking mean. You're not mean. First
do me.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Let me tell you something. He's from the royal family
of the NFL. He's got a bunch of money, he
is incredibly likable.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Who doesn't like Eli the person? Like he paid her great?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
This is where I disagree with the voters, and again
I'm not a Pro Football Hall of Fame voter. Their
whole process to me is antiquated and ridiculous in that
people who have to get up and make a pitch
for people I don't even understand why you know you
have to you to nominate and then go up and
then tell the reasons why somebody should get in, And
(19:27):
to me, it should be the stats, the information.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
And then people just like voting.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Like we vote in the baseball Hall of Fame, and
you have ten spots on the ballot, we don't limit
how many people get in. If there's ten one year,
ten get x. If there's none the next year, nobody
gets in. Like this whole thing. Only five can go
in football at twenty two positions, but only five players
can get into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That makes no sense to me.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Okay, baseball, there are nine positions and ten people could
not that ten people I'll ever get in at the
same time. But here's my thing that I don't understand,
as if if you don't vote for him the first time,
but in year two or three or four you vote
for him, and then like you're punishing him. He's still
(20:14):
gonna be a Hall of Famer, he's still gonna wear
the yellow jacket. You're still going to announce him at
a banquet or golf outing as Hall of Famer Eli Manning.
But like so, if you're going to put him in,
this is not a punishment. If you're not gonna put
him in, then that's different. But for people to say,
well he'll get in down the road, that doesn't make
(20:36):
sense to me.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Either you are or you are.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And I told you that's why I don't vote for
people after the first time. If I vote the first time,
your stats aren't getting better, you're not still playing.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
What has changed for me?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
The only thing that changes is narratives, not numbers, and
that's where people get in trouble.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Well, here's the interesting thing, going back to the NFL
because versus the MLVIVO. So you look at this h
he can still be selected as part of the future classes.
We know that, but you have a maximum of five
modern players that can actually be chosen.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
So you look at the He didn't get in this year.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
I didn't think he would because I didn't think he
was a first ballot meaning automatic.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Doug, clearly you're in. Well you go to next year.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
I'm looking at this list for twenty twenty six, Drew Brees,
we'd all agrees first ballot Larry Fitzgerald first ballot going in.
Then Jason Whitten would imagine gets a little ify there,
but wide.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Receivers have had I don't you know Chris Carter took
form to get in. I'm just saying I believe that, yeah, termones,
which is clearly first three three years with his numbers,
that didn't make any sense he should have gone in.
You see what I'm saying, So he too could wind
up ELI could be like too.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
And but the reason I'm bringing this up is because
I believe there are some people who clearly voted for him,
and you'll say, well, he's how is he gonna get
in nextra because they'll say, oh, well, he's up against
these guys the next year, and maybe they like him
over Philip Rivers, they like him over Frank Gore, just
to name some of the guys that we already know
who could be in that class. So they could just
(22:11):
be Nah, I don't like him up against these guys.
It's not that I don't think he should ever, It's
just this group of guys. You know, he's not better
than any of them or warrants it more than any
of them. And then we pop up next year, maybe
they say he's over Drew Brees or that he's over
Philip Rivers. So he has a shot each year based
off who's on that list, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, but they could tell we we'll make somebody else
wait another year, you know what I.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Mean, that's gonna be Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
He ain't getting in, Like Philip Rivers hasn't won anything.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
But his numbers are gonna be good.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
But people are gonna be like, no, he didn't win anything,
So Philip Rivers might get that. He's gonna have to
keep waiting down a lot. Ultimately, I don't think he's
gonna get in, but yeah, I just do. I knew
Eli Manning. I still believe he's gonna get in because
again he has two MVPs in finals MVPs to his credit,
and I still believe who he beat mad At. He
beat Brady not once but twice, and he's a Manning.
(23:06):
I think that matters. But I knew he wasn't first
ballot just because.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
But the first ballot part is what But I know,
but what is it?
Speaker 6 (23:15):
What is because in their minds, because in their minds,
ROP series.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Is in the Hall of Fame? Is it punishment? I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's an honor. It's an honor to an honor.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So Sterling show up shouldn't be excited that he got
in with the Veterans Committee and he had been on
the ballot, so he has.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
A lesser hall of fame.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Is No, it's not that. It's not. I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
We all graduate, right, somebody soon come Lottie or somebody
has whatever little stripe with different things. So we all graduate.
We're all about to twist our cat, turn the little thing.
We're gonna throw our hats in the air. We're gonna
go to our banquets and receptions. We all graduated. But
there's certain people had different bars and strikes.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
We can all have on No, but but nobody I'm
saying who uses the first ballot as if there's something different, because.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
We do say that.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
We do say that though, like when we're just casually
talking to our friends, and if I were like if
we were say, man, Steph Curry, man ain't first ballot
hall of Famer, Like it's our way of saying.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So you say, Chris Carter, ten year ballot Hall of Famer?
What you say, No, I'm saying you would but it
was ten years for him, So that you don't.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Put the year, Why not only when it's the first,
because it's a it's a way of establishing I think.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Either in the fame, either the Hall of Fame or
you're not there's or if he doesn't make it, then
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
But to me, there's no difference.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
I think that that's a semantics.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
He still gets the yellow jel nobody, he still gets
the when he goes to a card signing his money,
his money's gonna be higher than somebody who doesn't have
a yellow jown.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
First ballot also dignifies there is no question, And I
think that's what it what it also symbols with Eli.
You you believe he should I don't. Rob do you
believe he should be ever not wolly get in? But
should he?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
No?
Speaker 6 (24:59):
I don't you should see not norere do I We've
had some people who will say, yes, okay, you had
two finals. My point is that's why there's a distinguished
that doesn't make any silence that.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
So Joe Namers should come out.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I'm asking no, not come out. But I'm saying, but
I'm asking Joe name of Chica. I don't think you
should have been all of fame.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Okay, but he's another I say about it right, Well,
well to your guys point, all right, So the Eli
Manning thing has been a hot button conversation for y'all
for months since the show started.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
All this is isle real they played at the Super Bowl?
Was you guys arguing about Eli Manning? Right? All right?
Speaker 7 (25:28):
So, according to Ari Meyrov from the thirty thirty team,
they do great job, great work over there. The balloting
for football is not the same as base. They don't show, Hey,
this guy received ten percent this year, twelve percent, fifteen.
This is kept under wraps until we find out who
gets in and who didn't. So he's reporting that Eli
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Manning quote wasn't remotely close to getting in this year,
and that the two guys who didn't get in that
were the closest at the most support were Luke Keigley,
who we.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Talked about on the way to lunch today and addam
It Tarry, who we both think first ballot.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
I think they don't do kickers justice, but the.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Patriots, I'm sorry, he was the best kicker in big moment.
If he misses two kicks, Tom Brady isn't Tom Brady Like,
that's how big?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
When so did he went to sup vote the Colts?
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Right, So if we play this game, and I know
it's a weird hypothetical, but if we play this game,
we say, hey, next season, Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald automatic,
you would think after another year of debate, because I
think guys are if you don't get in first in
a second ballot, keithleyavianitaria in, that leaves one more spot.
Maybe Eli gets in there. And then if you look
ahead to twenty twenty seven, Adrian Peterson is eligible, Richard
(26:44):
Sherman's eligible. Rob Gronkowski is aligimatic. Here's Antonio Brown is eligible.
To say what you want about him and his leg,
but you don't know if they did what they Ben
Roethlisberger is eligible the way he's you know, like there's
guy and so.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Antonio Brown might not get in at all.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And I'm that seriously, you walked out on the game,
and I know what I mean, the game. It was
a game during the game, and it we'll hold the NFL.
So I bring all this up just to talent.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
So but I bring this up just the same and
you say, if you're a Hall of Famer, it doesn't
really matter when you get in. Does the idea that
potentially Eli Manning not only does get it first first ballot,
but it's third, fourth, fifth, sixth, does he eventually become
a guy who's gonna get in on the sympathy vote
that you see in baseball.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, we just saw a sympathy m VP for Josh,
so it can happen. But my point is that's why
I'm against the rob G just for that reason. We
saw it with Billy Wagner. This was his tenth year.
This is last year on the ballot. Oh, we just
missed it last year. Oh it was only ten point
five his first year. And then slowly but surely and
(27:56):
if you begin started to get sympathy.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
My thing is vote for every body the first year.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Either they order out and once you're out robbed G
and Kelvin, you're out. That's it, like like, leave it open,
leave it open for everybody. Vote for him. If he's
Hall of Fame, you vote for him. If he's not,
you don't for him. No second year, third year, fourth year.
To me, that diminishes when guys get in. And that's
(28:21):
been my whole boy.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Lawrence Taylor, you say, yeah, I just feel like it
should I've always said that it should be so, you
should be so to pray a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
It should just be not a clue.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
If I say Larry Bird, you say Magine, John, Yes, yes, yes, yes,
you know Joe Monteddy, Yes, that's how I feel like it's.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
All right, real quick question before we get two other
callers here, Rob for you personally, Yes, since Eli did
not get in first battle, what you wanted?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
You wanted him to get in.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
If he doesn't get in twenty twenty six, doesn't get
into twenty twenty seven, the next eligible year, there's hardly
anyone who's really strong in that class. But Tom Brady
is eligible in twenty two. Would you rather him get
in in twenty twenty eight so that he's on the
thing with Tom Brady as the only guy who beat
Tom Brady twice.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, well, rather than any other year.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
That would be interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
And and I'm sure and football is different because in
baseball we've seen that where somebody of that it could
go and wind up going in by themselves over you
know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Like that they make a point to say, hey, only
Tom's getting in this year?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Was that was? Was that Mariano Rivero? Did he only
get in by hisself? I'm trying to think because you
know him and Jeter weren't the same. I can't remember,
but you know what I mean, like it was really special.
But anyway, Yeah, that would be something if those two
were together.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
It really would be.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Eight seven seven. Tom will be nervous though.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I lose eight seven seven ninety nine off Fox eight
seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. Do
you have a problem with Eli Manning not being a
first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
We'll continue that conversation next with you.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
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We'll get into the super Bowl, what's going on out
in Vegas, what the odds are and the things, the
prop bets, all that stuff, plus last call if you
didn't get a chance to get in. And also NFL
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Speaker 3 (31:30):
We tie all the way to this. Are we tied? Yes,
comes down to it.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
We literally time this time, man, this is we do
know we're on the opposite so somebody but we'll.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Get more into that.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So we got a really good hour to wrap up
things here in New Orleans. What a great time it's been.
You know, I've been to a lot of Super Bowls.
I told you before. I don't know the exact number,
but I was here twenty two years ago, two thousand
and three for that Super Bowl. So just imagine I
was there for that. That was the Patriots, uh winning
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the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Now it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
MS so I covered that.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
That was the greatest show on turf, right, getting like
sixteen points or whatever it was they lost in that
Super Bowl. But now we talked about it. I think
we mentioned it. That's eleven super Bowls for New Orleans, right,
tis Yeah, yes, that is the most Miami Miami for
the most. And it's a great super Bowl town. I
really I really enjoyed being here. It's a different spot.
(32:37):
It's off the beaten path. You got to kind of
come here yep, right, yep, and a foods man getting
magnificent people.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
It's just they know they know how to do this stuff.
Like literally, they're getting shutting this thing down. Super Bowl
to be over Sunday night, and they're getting ready for
Mardi Gras.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Here in a couple couple of weeks.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
So they know how to host big events for it
to be a smaller major city.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
So so let's go here.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
The final topic, big topic for the show as we
look at the super Bowl forty eight hours away, and
you know the talk is Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs.
Obviously they're trying to three Pete in the super Bowl era,
the first time anybody in this era has been able
to do that has been done before. And then the
(33:21):
Patrick Mahomes, if he wins three in a row, he'll
have four, right.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yep, out of what six trips to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
So there's all this other stuff that's there, and then
the big thing is you know where he fits in
and see the goat and the Goat conversation and all
that kind of stuff. So earlier this week, Patrick Mahomes
was asked about that whole goat conversation, and here he is.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
I'm trying to be the greatest Patrick Mahomes that I
can be. I mean, that's obviously a goal of anyone's
is going to be the greatest of their profession. But
in order to do that, you think the greatest that
you can be every single day. And if that's on
the field and not the work ethic got put in
or off the field, and the father and then the husband,
and I am I'm gonna try to be the greatest
in that way and whenever I'm doing with football, and
I thought, leave everything out there the way that I
(34:04):
feel like I have so far as far as effort
and mentality. I'll be happy with the results and I'll
let others talk about who the greatest is of whatever
profession that is.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
You know what, I'll say this, I respect Patrick Mahomes
from this STEMP. It's not for him to decide. And
that's why I've always had to push back with Lebron.
We're sitting there in the barbershop and talking about, oh yeah,
when we came back through the one, that's when I
knew I was the goat. That Really, for you to
be thinking that is weird to me. I'm dead serious.
(34:34):
Like that's for others, for sports writers, for fans. Sure,
you want to be in a conversation people think, oh
I watched the greatest quarterback whoever played in the National
Football League. That's an honor and that's not something you
gun for. You talk about, Yeah, I want to be No,
you want to be the best player. You can be
do as much as you can lay it out on
the table, right, and then you come out and people say, man,
(34:56):
we were lucky to watch that guy play.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Yeah, well, shoot, I think I think that's why people
already some already consider him to go. Some say he's
on the road, the path two beings. I don't know
anybody can say that, to be honest. Let's walk through that.
So the difference of why people are okay doing that,
And let's take Tom Brady. I know, Joe Montanna for you,
but let's just for take these two. For this example,
(35:22):
Tom Brady did a lot of this without style points.
He did a lot of this dinking and dunky.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
He did a lot of.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
This without you know, we knew he was never gonna run.
He had you know, quick dropbacks. Patrick Mahomes from the
minute he got started, we were like, oh, that's different.
And Patrick Mahomes has kind of taken the best of
the talent of Aaron Rodgers. Where we all are looking
at arm talent, look at mobility, can run. Look at
his you know, throwing arms sideways, all types of crazy passes,
(35:50):
no look passes like he's on a basketball court. But
also he has the accolades that Aaron Rodgers doesn't have
of a Tom Brady, and you mentioned some of them already,
robbed two times MVP, six time Pro Bowl, two time
off Pro, three time Super Bowl champ, could be four
here in just a moment, already three time IVY.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
I mean, obviously Player of the Year from all these
different writers awards. It's just crazy what he's done already.
And the man ain't even thirty. And if you look
at some of the peers of the Aaron Rodgers and
the Tom Brady's, and he may play to be thirty
eight to forty one, forty two, which means it could
get scary his war chest, you know, in all the
accolades when this is all said and done that So
(36:30):
I'm mixing the stat accolades, super Bowl wins, all the
MVPs with the style point.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
He looks different than Tom.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
He hasn't made, but he hasn't had the style points
of late and that and that's where I disagree with you.
I agree when he first burst on a scene, but
we haven't seen that quarterback.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
We he has, but we saw enough even so far.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
But I'm just saying, and we haven't seen certain The
first one was like oh my god.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Right, it was like yo, what is this?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
And and it's funny because we have seen that he
hasn't nearly been as good or prolific, and we've seen
a lot of bad Patrick Mahomes of late, and yet
they still have won. But that's the part where you
look at him and go, you know, how is this
going to end? What happens when Andy retires? What happens
if they take away more pieces from him? Will he
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go as last eight or nine years with winning? Will
we feel the same?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
You know?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
We always talking about recency bias, what's happened lately?
Speaker 5 (37:28):
And we talked about John Elway.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
What made John Elway a different view in people's eyes
is the way he finished with the way he finished,
not the way he started where he couldn't win a
super Bowl. So I don't know, I just don't know
how you could look at him right here today and
say he's the goat.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
I don't think.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
I just I think that's the weather and they're forecasting,
but they're saying.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Well, they still say he's the goat.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
If I'm asking you, so, I think he has literally
done an enough to be in the like if not
if forever he loses, but that's do the opposite.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Let's say he wins. Not want to say it loses,
and we know you do, but let's I'm like Jared
Goff through three in or.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Seven, right, and just like I'm gonna say he wins
and that's four.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Right.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
So now he retires with four and let's say for
that he just literally walked away, like I just what
i would be my family, I've loved, you know, I'm.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Done to have four already to have.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
And let's say maybe he wins MVP that before Super
Bowl MVPs and the eye tests of what you saw.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I can see why he would be considered that because titles.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I don't I don't think that that would supersede for
people what tom Brady has done. And I don't think
he's the goat, but that tom Brady people would not
allow you to say, because tom Brady had two different
careers and what made his different and separated him and
you know, I'm not defecting.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
You're not tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
But he one ones with the Patriots and then left
and then won another one with another team.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Patrick came to a team that was already winning. I'm
not taking anything away from him.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
They couldn't get over the hum but they were already
winning going to the playoffs with Alex Smith, and we
already know what Andy Weid did with Donovan McNabb and
every quarterback who's ever played for him, and Patrick Mahomes
finally was that guy to push through and take Andy
Weid there. I think there's a different conversation about him
if they don't win.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Well, but because they would only be at three, I'm
saying if he wins, it is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
What he's done is such a small amount of time.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
How that do you come into the league and all
you have is four rings, if possibly four Super Bowl
MVPs already and you ain't even thirty yet. That's literally
insane that run. They would have been in the first
team to three pt in the Super Bowl era. Tom
ain't do that, Joe Montana ain't do that. John Elway
didn't do that, and he even have that also to
(39:55):
say I did that. So I think for me personally,
if he wins, if he gets the five, I've seen enough.
He doesn't have to get seven, he don't have to
superseed break, and he gets five, he's already almost have
done this.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I think.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I think that's because you're in this era. You believe
that Lebron with the most losses in the finals, you
think he's the MVP just by going, even though he
doesn't have as many as Michael.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
No. No, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
They're young guys like you, younger who believe in that.
And you're already like, oh, well, Lebron, he's played for
twenty five years and he got all these points. And
but but people have watched both like me, I don't
think that.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
So can't let me say why isn't he to go?
If he to my point, if he wins five? Because
I don't do the you have to have x amount
of rings because then Robert Rriy or Bill Russell are
the best.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Because no, no, Robert Ory never let a team shut
out that many all start now, Robert Orry, you can't
use him. He's a he's a club tree at six. Okay,
but you know what I mean. Subreeen played twenty some
odd years as well. I'm saying, and that's what I'm
trying to say. He doesn't have to simply be rings.
I also take the eye test. Michael look different than
Tom Brady, but he hasn't looked the same the last
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couple the last couple of years, he got that guy.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
But what I'm saying, you're still taking the totality of their.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Michael Jordan looked great the whole way through. That's what
I'm trying to say. People are saying, oh, he's Jordans.
Michael Jordan never looked bad like like we've saw Patrick mahomee.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
It's in some some narrative.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
Point, but it's football is different, and that I can
lean on my running game, or I can lean on
Jordan every night.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Telling me that Patrick Patrick Mahomes wants to win fifteen
games and not be considered an m VP candidate, I
don't absolutely, I do not do. He don't need anymore
about needing more. He wants to play the best that
he can play. Doesn't have to be I don't believe
that it's a cop out, because if he was winning
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all the m vps, then you would put more credence.
It's the same thing with Lebron, like because he's long
so many you gotta discount. It's about getting there. If
Lebron was winning all of those and had more than
Michael Jordan Truck. Guess what you would be saying, he
got sad.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Of course, what I'm saying is Patrick. But that's why
I bring up Marv Levy to you. He went to four,
he didn't win.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Nobody thinks he's great, and that's why I'm saying getting
to something is not the same as winn at Holmes.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
Being fifteen to two every year for the next eight years.
He would signed okay to heart heat.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
No, he would yes, absolutely to go to not win
a Super Bowl in eight years.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
No, you are s talking about the gameplay. You said
toy doesn't play like he did. I said, if he
played exactly how he has played.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
If he does not, if he plays eight more years
of say they lose, I'll give you the scenario and
doesn't win again. Andy, we retired the team and shambles.
I gotta restart when a plays eight or nine. Tom
Brady went nine years without winning. Okay before we had
the second run. So to tom Brady, like eight years.
He's ready to retire, had a great start to his career.
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People will not look at him the same way he is.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Tom Brady is currently the goat.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
No I'm talking about right, but I'm saying Patatrick mahone
he wins went out.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Without tom Brady's second act, he wouldn't be considered three.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
No, for sure.
Speaker 6 (43:13):
But I mean, but you're taking the only different only
judging for the total.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I'm saying the only difference between him tom Brady, and
Mahomes would be it could be the same amount of
super Bowls three or he Mahomes could have one more.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
And you get my point. And that's what I say.
They lose.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Tom Brady won three early nine years without winning, and
then he wound up winning again for late. So I'm saying,
Patrick Mahomes, we don't know yet if they lose on
Sunday and then they go through a dry spell. Right,
But the kindessy Chiefs before they won their first one
went fifty years, right.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
I want you know for sure.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
The only thing I'll say before we break here. You
keep projecting the negative they don't win. I'm telling you
watch what I'm saying. You projecting they don't win Sunday
and he doesn't win to get nine years? What about
what we've seen says they win Sunday and then he wins.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
No done or two more. It's exactly. But what i'm
saying is I'm giving it no, but I'm giving you
a Patriots dynasty that went nine.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Years without win. Nobody's ever done three short I'm not
one more. Nobody's ever won three in a row.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
So I'm telling you they're gonna lose on Sunday because
no one's ever won in a Super Bowl ere right,
So they lose. And I'm telling you Andy Weed's not
getting younger. Patrick Mahomes has not been as good. Kelsey
might say, I'm done, okay, So I'm saying all these
different things. I'm saying is you're not finishing the Patriots story.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Rob they won, Yes, it went nine years, they still
ended up winning more. Why stopping at try but not
going the next four? Andy Reid is not the age
that Bill bella chatter. What I'm saying they won three more.
You keep saying they went nine years, but you're stopping
the Patriots were nine years and.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Nine years without winning. Patrick Mahomes has already played seven years.
How many years he's playing? Why playing.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Forty two years old? Have you seen Patrick Mahomes? Why not?
Is he in Gray Shade? He doesn't have to. I'm
saying he can go to forty, that's eleven years.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
What would what would Patrick Mahomes need to do to
become the goat?
Speaker 3 (45:21):
To you? Would it be a.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Super Bowl three three pete to put him over the top?
Does he need to do more? Where you will continue
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