March 4, 2025 • 31 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain how the Basketball Gods robbed us of Kyrie Irving’s chance at redemption and tell us how Kyrie's season-ending knee injury actually makes the Luka Doncic trade look even worse. Plus, longtime NFL insider Josina Anderson swings by to discuss her report on at least one NFL franchise being turned off by Shedeur Sanders’ braggadocio and why some front offices have such a hard time relating to ‘the culture’.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
We had the terrible, terrible news. We were watching it here.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yes, well, the TV's always on and the games are
on and stuff, as we do the show to keep
updated with what's happening in the world of sports, and
of course the unfortunate Kyrie irving with the.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Achilles right, No, it's the ACLCL. I'm sorry, ACL, he's out.
It's gonna be rob g. What'd you say at least
like a year nine months and then a nine months.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
To a year standing recovery for an ACL that's not
counting the ramp up time to become yourself, so realistically,
could be we're looking at the twenty twenty six season,
see to see him back to where we are.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
And I'm gonna just say this, I mean, you know,
the basketball gods they cheated us of what could have
been a fantastic redemption story for Kyrie. He's been through
all kinds of stuff. He's the guy who we've seen
hit one of the greatest shots, the one that capped
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the three to one comeback against the Warriors, that choke
job by Steph Curry and company. He also is just
a tremendous, tremendous ball handler, finisher at the rim just
when he is healthy, one of the best guys you
want to watch play basketball, period. He got jobbed out
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of being in the top seventy five. I still to
this day, and I think it's because of the other stuff, right,
because it ain't basketball.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It ain't basketball. What's the accolades? And I love Dame,
but what has What does Dame have?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Zero?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Zero? Kyrie is a chance being been in what three finals?
Two to three finals? Zero? Yeah, I'm with you, and
that game's great, but not what was?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Kyrie has a signature shot and moment in NBA history.
How's he not in the top seventy five? But that's
another story. And I just really felt like with a
d I'm not saying for short they're gonna win a championship,
but did we think last year that Minnesota was gonna
be Denver. No, we did not, and look where they
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were at a chance at getting to the finals.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Oh yeah, So I just thought A D and Kyrie
are a perfect match. They go together sometimes. We talked
about Phoenix.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Adding people together doesn't mean that they always mesh, even
though they are three individually really good players, star players.
But Kyrie and Ad we got. Ad gets hurt right away.
He's gonna come back. But now Kyrie's lost, and I
feel sick to my stomach that again, here's something that
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we could have gotten from the NBA, and here's another
opportunity that we're not going to be able to see.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And the basketball gods let me down. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Man, Wow, there's a lot to get to when you
watch something. Sometimes I think we get so caught up
in what we do you forget the actual just enjoyment,
entertainment of something, and that is what Kyrie has been
for so many years. Just esthetically, watching Kyrie play basketball
is literally like watching Prince in his prime perform, or
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Michael Jackson or Paul McCartney or Whitney Houston or Rita Frank,
whoever your jam is like.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
He is pure artistry and we all love it. We
are marvel.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
He's one of those rare players that old heads, young
heads all agree.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Man, that boy's got it, you know what I mean.
People don't argue, there's no debate.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Like he's one of the most skilled and many people
say the most skilled player they've ever seen. Just pure skilled,
not accolades, not career. But once again, there's something about
Kyrie's career where it's derailed and it just has happened
throughout it.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
When he was with Cleveland before.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Lebron came back, it was just kind of meaningless basketball,
if you will. He was playing well, but team wasn't winning.
They weren't on national games. But you always do. Man,
that's that kid up there who can play. Goes with Lebron.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
They going to run.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
They go to a couple of finals, they win one.
You mentioned it, epic shot, the epic comeback. He's playing great.
You think, whoa, they might be able to make a
run at this. He decides to leave. He says, he
leaves because I want to be on my own, kind
of like Kobe and Shack. I want to do it
on my own. I want to do this. I don't
want to be trying to I'm not to be sunned.
I'm equal. Later on he would say, I should have stayed,
I should have stuck with him. We could have maybe
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continued to have some magic. It got weird in Boston
where he was really good, but the team wasn't filling them,
and it was weird. It was it wasn't meshing. Personalities
were clashing, so they didn't work out there. Then it
Big three happens in Brooklyn. That doesn't work, injury suspensions,
covid not wanting to get vaccinated, other stuff brings up
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with the media and his faith and people kind of
not understanding what he's saying. He didn't point being there
was always something with Kyrie that holds it back from
Kyrie just being at his best self. And to your point,
he has seemed to become a refined version of himself
off the court. He's extremely well spoken, fully aware where
he is as a person in his personal life, playing
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some of the best basketball lately. And you think, all right,
maybe the Lakers won the full you know, the long
term view of this trade, but Dage, maybe the MAVs
won the short term. Maybe for the next two years,
Kyrie and ad can try to get to a championship.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Eighty goes down day one.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Now Kyrie's down, and it's just like another opportunity where
it's going to be hard Rob to tell the legacy
of Kyrie, you know what I mean, Like he may
never make a top seventy five because what will he
have done to add to it.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
No, it's definitely derailed his career and you know.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
What I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And it's like forward, you had to be there to
see him. And when he comes back, he's thirty three, right,
and he's coming off of major injury and just and
it's just another setback, and it's it's a shame because
I think he's a very talented player, one of the
all time grades. Had he stayed healthy, had he been
a little more stable, I'm not saying he couldn't move
around or you know, created too much, but but yeah,
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had he been in probably two places or something, he
probably would be, uh they ready to the way they
put up statues now, they probably would have a statute
ready exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
So it's it's it's disappointing.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
He's kind of Kawhi like where uh Kawhi though one
in two different places. Yeah, I mean, but I mean
you can't like, how good could Kawhi have been if
he was fully healthy? Not fully everybody gets nicked up
an injury the times, but say eighty.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Five, So why would have been even bigger?
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Because I do believe that had had he won the
one with the Clippers, you would have three three championship,
three different franchises and franchise that never won, like you
would put yourself if he would be you in rarefied air.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, he's a rioter singularly, you mean better than Kyrie.
But what I mean is the storytelling of their career,
it's gonna be difficult, Like, no, you don't understand how
good this person was.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, I mean he.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Only no, no, no, I know he was heard in this happened,
he switches and you know and getting into it with
people in Boston didn't work out.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
But you don't understand how good Kyrie was. You don't
understand how goo Kawai was.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
They're in that category to me of like the story
of their career won't be as good as if you
actually watch them and saw it.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Do you get what I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Like the Jordan story is amazing and it's just great,
and Lebron's gonna be great and Kobe is gonna be
great like their story will be Ah, it doesn't do
justice on how good they were.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
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Speaker 3 (07:53):
You add on some words of advice.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
For Shadure's simple. You gotta be real careful, and we
talked about it when you go on these interviews.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
If you can't be take me as I am, take
me or take it or leave it or whatever, that's
just otherwise.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Why are you even going to an interview? Seriously, if
that's the persona you have when you go to an interview,
basically you're supposed to sell yourself and make people say, oh,
we gotta get this guy.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Am I right or wrong on that?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
When you go to an interview, I'm eighty with you, okay,
just a small coveyst okay with you.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
But that's the purpose of doing it. You be better
off not going at all. If you're just gonna go, well,
watch my film and decide whether or not you want me.
And I don't think that that would work, right, They'd
still want to.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Talk to you.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
They still want to talk to you. A personality element
to a leadership element like yes there is I'm sorry,
very seldom. And what happens is when you when you
ball out and you're.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Different, people can accept it because, Okay, this guy's success
for he one, this is how he is.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
We can deal with it.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Bill Belichick in New England. Treating the media that way
didn't work in Cleveland. He wasn't when he wasn't, when
any writer. That's my point is that you got to
understand that. And while you might have had success in college,
you haven't had any in the NFL. I hate to
break it to you, but most of the quarterbacks who
come in flop most it's not the other way around.
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Most flop or don't live up to their expectations. So
that's all I'm saying. You want to be yourself, you
don't want to be phony, but there is a give
and take. People are trying to see who you are,
and I just think you can't go in there with that.
This is who I am, and if you don't like it,
draft somebody else. I don't think that works.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I think Shadure, I think we're gonna have an extended
conversation with jo seene It here in just a bit.
But I think it's a difficult one with him because
he's been this guy all his life life, very brash, confident.
But then on the flip side, everybody you talk to,
ex teammates, ex coaches, everybody loves him. Everybody you've not
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heard a single bad thing about them. So it's one
of those if you yourself aren't comfortable with people who
are a little you know, very assured and self confident,
it may threw up you the wrong way, to throw you.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Off a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
But on the flip side, all he's been about is
great work, work ethic, and again being a good kid.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So it's one of those tough ones.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
If I'm a GM, I'm gonna say, all right, do
I like a guy who's gonna come in here with
a little extra sauce, you know, a little little extra
flavor and confidence and plays well and works his butt off.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And I think I would be able to be contextualized
enough that I can be okay with that, especially if
I know, or at least by my research has shown
he's a good person.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I just I get what you're saying that.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I don't think that's the purpose of having an interview.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And you go into an interview and you're just like
take me as I am, and that's it.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
That's not how you sell yourself. Otherwise, what is the
purpose of it. I don't need to bring you in.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And if it's just about it that you work hard
and you've had success on the field, is what I'm saying.
I want to get to know you a little bit more.
I want to hear how you tick, how you you know,
what's important to you, and all that other stuff. And
that's the part about selling that that is I think
because somebody else.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Might be just as talented as you. And then I
hear this kid and this is what he does, and
then I have to, you know, like like wow, this
this kids eat. It's really about football. This guy is
about the lifestyle of football, being a football player.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
This guy is about football. There's two different and I
get what you're saying. I think some of this has
been overblown with him. Again, we're going to carry this conversation.
I've been talking about what said about him.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I'm just saying, in an interview process and I just
I brought up the other one, and I asked Rob
Gidis when we're talking about someone coming into an interview
and he's a talented writer and all this, and he says,
if you don't hire me, there's gonna be a word
decision of your career like that, like he could be
that good, but that.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I don't want to hire you just because now I
don't want to want to work with you.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Do you understand what I'm saying that that's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying. And he could be a talented writer.
He could be, but that's not the way you go
in and sell yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
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Speaker 3 (12:50):
Hey, how are you?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
What's going on? Guys? What's y'all talking about?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
We're doing really good, well, we were talking about multiple things.
We're talking about the fact that he beats me over
the head with chicken all heat five to seven out
of the Saturday. See, I'm trying to shave and shame chickens.
My guys baked chicken from Rafts. They got a deal.
They got a whole chicken for three ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I got it. I'm all into it. It's all good,
all right, anyway, my.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Goodness already guyes a whole lot of them.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Since this started about an hour and thirty five minutes ago.
All right, we got you here. Just jump into this.
You you put out, uh, you caused some controversy. You
drop a tweet on them, and I was all in, like,
oh it was. People had some things to say, you
talking about schdor centers as we were just having a
conversation moments ago, how he may be rubbing some people
the wrong way because of his confidence, because of his persona,
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because of you know, a little brackadocious if you will.
Some cases people I use this term. A week or
so ago we were talking about this. I said, Rob,
it's starting to feel like people want to humble him,
Like I don't like that he's you know, comes from
his dad's famous, he's always got nil money, and they
want to humble him a little bit. Uh, tell us
more about just your thoughts and what your interactions from
US insiders have said about this process so far.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
For Shador, well.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
My report was just limited to the comments of you know,
one quarterback coach that I've mentioned in the report pertain
to one of the teams drafting, you know, in the
top seven for the upcoming twenty twenty five drafts in April.
So my you know, report was just limited to that.
You know, I am aware that you know, some people
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express their feelings over his election to U not work
out at the at the Combine, but you know, Shador
Sanders was not alone in not working out. Many of
the top prospects didn't do that. For Mason Graham to
ask some gent to you name it, it seems like
that's actually becoming more popular, which is a different topic
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in and of itself in terms of the future of
the combine with people trying to you know, debate over
its relevancy. So the you know, part of the reason
why I put up that post is because I didn't
put every detail at to what I heard was actually
said about relative to you know, this particular coach and
the team. But I felt like the energy was negative
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enough and potentially you know, rooted and biases that are
you know, arguably not you know, supposed to kind of
be making it into the conversation outside of you know,
a football assessment where I thought, you know, it was
a little bit too much ink cast in the water,
so to speak. And and you know, quite frankly as
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covering the NFL for as long as I have for
over twenty years and going through this process every year
with the with the draft, and seemingly having stuff like
this come out on a particular high prospect a lot
of times it being players of you know, you know,
African American descent or what have you. I just found
it problematic and it did not feel the need to,
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you know, name the person and name the team, because
I feel like, you know, that person who's going to
see it is going to be known. And I think
and I think the idea is just to cost some
awareness of how your comments out loud can make it
to the desk of a media person and potentially have
an effect. Not that you're not supposed to have your opinion,
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but you know, just really having that conversation about you know,
what is stereotyping, what is trope? What are tropes? What
are things that are kind of crossing the line in
terms of being a fair assessment that you truly could
gather from a fifteen minute, fifteen to twenty minute interview.
That's kind of like speed dating at the combine.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, it was gonna let for you go, Rob, but
so yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
A little moment there.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
But it's one of those things you brought up where
you end the piece you use the word cultural too,
kind of cultural almost as you said, tropes, there's things
where they're I don't understand or I don't get in,
you know, maybe certain ways about people that then become
bias and why they don't like him when he really
doesn't necessarily root.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
It in anything.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
To me, I've only heard that he works incredibly hard,
that he's incredibly you know, all about football, all about business.
Does he enjoy a nice chain? He's even mentioned that, yes,
well I like a nice car. But you know, but
I'm locked in and that's all we've ever seen. So
I'm kind of confused on why it seems like lately,
just your opinion, why it seems to be kind of
now going down if you would have win it two
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months ago. It's kind of a top five pick. Almost assured.
Now I'm here in you know, I'm sliding down a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Okay, So a couple of things. I'm not sure that
there's any you know, reporting that I can say that
he's going down. I still think that there is a potential, potential,
you know, chance, good chance for him to go to
the New York Giants. You still have to see what
the uh what Andrew Berry, the general manager that Cleveland
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Brown is going to do at two. I think that's
a crucial thing, you know what Andrew Berry is going
to end up doing, particularly when you have such a
leverage piece Miles Garrett, who was basically asking to be traded.
You're saying you're not going to trade him, and obviously
it's it's the job of a general manager to keep
you know, good players. But you know, the the what
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the Browns are looking to potentially do with Miles Garrett
by not letting him go. And I wrote this in
an articles actually in complete contrast to what they did
with Baker Mayfield when he was expressing discomfort at obviously
with Deshaun Watson coming in and they shipped him to
the Carolina Panthers before the season even started and alleviated
that discomfort in that situation. That's a whole other conversation.
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So the point is, at least for my you know, knowledge,
I don't have any thing to say that he for
sure is fighting. I think there's a good chance that
he potentially goes to the Giants. We've seen the video
that came out where he was talking to Brian Dayball
and Giants Brash and some lobby in a hotel. It
was either the shrine or one of those things that
they do before the combine. I don't go to none
of them. I always just go to the combine. But
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one of those things, you know, he was talking to them,
and we've heard the reporting us too as it relates
to their you know, potential interests. So that's not necessarily
you know what I'm seeing. And the other thing I
wanted to highlight is that, you know, when I'm talking
about you know, cultural issues, cultural issue doesn't necessarily pertain
to racial you know, cultural can mean generational, Cultural can
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mean you know, just in terms of how a particular
group of people are going about their business in this
day and age because the finances have changed in the
dawn of the nil era and all that other stuff.
So there's a ton of things that you know that
you know can pertain to I specifically was brought about
that because the more specific that I was getting right,
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the more specific it was going to become. And I
have to balance between reporting some things and also protecting sources.
And listen, I've broken enough stories where it's never my uh,
it's never my goal to put out something and just
have this purely sensational effect. I don't need to do that.
There's no story that's making me here. Tomorvelready broken a
billion stories. What I am trying to do is put
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out a story that that is accurate, that reflects you know,
when I'm reporting, people get enough of it to understand
what's you know, going on. And then if there are
other mitigating factors, which you know, the public is, you know,
who are consuming you know, the news are not necessarily
aware of that, I have to take into consideration as well.
This may you know, affect the threshold to which I
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am or the extent to which I'm saying something.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
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Anderson on X Thereina.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Thank you so much. As always, we just talk to you.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Of course, y'all have a good show. I appreciate y'all too.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
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Speaker 1 (20:53):
We were talking about it earlier, Rob, just the bad
news Kyrie over and we were watching it yesterday.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Goes down to ourn a ceo out for the season.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's gonna take anywhere from nine months to a year,
you know, however and long it'll take him to recover.
And it just really like I don't know if I
was really trying to think of in recent sports history
something compounding itself so badly, Rob, you know what I mean,
where it just went from worse to worse to worse
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to worse. We wake up one day, we're all sitting
there getting ready to actually take it back, getting ready
to go to bed, and boom, the Luca trade happens
and that explodes, and everybody's beyond shocked and it's like, wait,
what the twenty five five times I was getting dressed
to go head out? Yeah, okay, well I was getting ready.
I think I probably had a three year old on
my chest, getting ready to go to bed, different lives,
and we're all blown away, like, oh my gosh, this
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trade is crazy. And then we kind of assessed the
trading and go, okay, Anthony Davis is a heck of
a player, really good, but this is crazy. You just
traded all world twenty five year old for thirty one
year old perpetually injured.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
This is crazy. Then what happens.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Eighty gets injured the first game, and it's almost poetic
in that he's playing well, he's balling out, he's showing
MAVs like, this is who you got, I'm that guy,
and he's literally doing that, playing great.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Boom goes down. He's injured. He's been out for ever since.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
So now you go to the Lakers, Daveen playing well,
they're on the run, Luca's just getting these legs back,
and the Lakers look good.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
That makes it worse.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Then you have the governor of the MAVs coming out
saying stuff like, well, we didn't think it was gonna
be so much blowback, and we didn't what so that
makes it crazy. And then of course they're on the
mission to make you feel like Luca is gonna have
this crazy injury and catastrophic injury in five years, so
they're going on a campaign to make Luca look bad
to make themselves look better. And then boom, Kyrie goes
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down last night, And I just don't know if I've
seen something compounds so faster in a matter of a
few weeks. You know, bag get to worse, get to worse,
get to worse. I mean, we joke a lot of
you and I about the Giants getting rid of Saquan
and then keeping Daniel Jones. He's terrible, and then the
next year he's no longer with you, so maybe that's
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up there. But like I and then Tae Kwon going
on to win a championship with the Eagles, they just
made a worse trade. Things just got worse, and it
just kept going downhill, and to now this is one
of the worst sports situations in quite some time where
you made a blunder trade, everyone's confused by it, and
then injury to the guy you traded for, who's always
injured gets injured to now your best player still Kyrie
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goes down, which obviously that was not their fault. Just
a terrible situation, which is maybe why you didn't want
to pay an injury prone AD with an injury prone Kyrie.
That was just not great And it's just a bad situation.
And I'm like really thinking, I can't think of something
in sports that like compounded bad after bad after bad
after bad like this in quite some time. Yeah, maybe
the fifth inning for the Yankees in the World Series. Seriously,
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like that words just kept getting worse. That might be
the worst the other equivalent in the last you know,
several years.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah, I mean, I get your point on the present day,
but I'm not so sure that I can without questions
say it's the worst. We don't know what Luca can
turn into. They didn't want to pay three hundred and
fifty million dollars to a guy wasn't being professional or
taking care of himself. I'm not mad at them, like
they live with him. They looked at him like to
(24:16):
make a bold decision like that means that there's something there.
Because I keep saying this, it's not a basketball trade.
Obviously you're not training a twenty five year old international
star who's a first team All NBA okay, like five
of his seven years in his career or whatever. Okay,
So that it just that's not logical. So there's something
(24:40):
else there that frightened them to the point that they
didn't want to pay. And that's I've seen guys teams,
you know, pay players and then regret it later on.
And they paid Bradley Beal and all that, and then
you have an albatross. And I'm not saying that Luca
is Bradley Beal, but there's something else there and we
(25:00):
don't know. And while the Lakers are off to a
good start, we'll see what happens. We'll see after the.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Honeymoon wears off, does he fall back into bad habits?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
The off season, he comes back into training camp overweight
from going back to Europe, and like, there's a lot
of stuff that factors in. So, yes, the Mavericks get
the short end of the stick as we speak, because
two of the guys who you were hoping and counting
on are injured.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So there's no way of debating that. But I also
traded for said injury person.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Rob you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
The Ad also won a championship for the Lakers. I mean,
we can see there all day. We know what Ad
is a great player. So the Lakers traded for him
too when people questioned because he was always hurt, and
they got a championship out of them. I think you'll
take that if you're the Dallas Mavericks and somehow not
an eight year career ten if you could get a championship,
(25:55):
and that's what they were hoping that they could get
back to where they were this time.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
They'd have a rim protector.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
They have, you know, somebody who could play defense and
and and also he's a great scorer. We know that
that maybe in the short term, that's all you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Nobody.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You're not gonna win every year. Teams don't win like that.
It's hard. So so you know it sounds great. Are
they're gonna win a dynasty and win? The Warriors weren't
winning three in a row or three out of four
without Kevin Durant either. They just weren't if they didn't
go and get Kevin Durant. So and they won a
championship right the next year they lost. They gave up
(26:32):
that three to one lead. So I just think that
this is different, This is so unique, so strange. I'm
still not going to bash Dallas for deciding against him.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
You are nice. No, I'm not, because to me, it's
just it's not a basketball trade.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
But I guess what I agree with that said something
dark because they don't if this was just basketball, say
he wasn't overweighted, whatever, this is just basketball.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Then I say they're crazy. They're a sugar nough.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
There's some reason that they don't want to fork over
three hundred and fifty million to him, the same way
DeMarcus Cousins with the Kings. Do you remember that they
didn't want they didn't pay them, that the deadline came
and they were like, man, we can't. You know, I'm
not saying we can't control them, but like, like there's
(27:28):
all this stuff going on, all this craziness. We can't
if we give this guy two hundred and six million
at that time, two hundred and fifty one million, what
we're we gonna do here? And what they do? They
didn't give it to them, And guess what, DeMarcus never
got it. Yeah, that's true, But I guess so I
get with you. I totally get what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I guess I'm looking at it with the massive miss Again,
the key component for me is what we find out
in the more recent reporting is that they said, we
believe in the next five year he's gonna have a
catastrophic injury. But you literally got the guy who's often
injured so much so that he has a nickname street Clothes.
(28:06):
And I hate it for him because he's a good dude,
and he's incredibly talented and one of the better players
in the league.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Went healthy Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We know that, But you got him for Anthony Davis,
and you didn't get a bunch of draft fish, you
didn't get Austin Reeves, and then you pair them with
an often injured Kyrie.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So it's just a weird mix. And that's where it
went wrong.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
If they believe there's some deeper, darker stuff with Luca
that we will never know because he's not on our team,
Okay to that point, Okay, maybe there's something we don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I just go here, here it is, I just want
to this is just DeMarcus Cousins. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Twenty seventeen, this was according to Wojes, this was some
of the reason the Kings decided to trade him instead
of offering him an extension.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Quote.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
The King simply decided that they no longer wanted to
let cousins volatility dictate the culture of the locker room.
The King he was in line for a two hundred
and nine million dollar contract. This is twenty seventeen, and
they and they didn't give it to him, and that
and this is what I'm this is and I'm not
saying he's that or whatever, but there's something there. I'm
(29:12):
with you. If we're talking about the basketball straight up,
then we know that, uh, this was a horrific trade.
If this is about basketball, I don't believe it's about basketball.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I still even with that, there's something still off, Like
we can find a way to get this guy in shape.
We can find a way to tell him, hey, you know,
you don't know, you know, let sparingly with the hookahs.
And either way, I'm just not getting rid of him.
We don't have to go down this.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Can they take a beer from a guy who's of
age who's drinking after you? I said, after you won,
you had to the final, when can you have a beer?
Then I'm asking you.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
That in real time.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I remember look at Michael Finley, his face like always serious.
Then I'm looking Luka and Luca try to get it
back like and Michael Filly walked away. I'm like, oh,
this is a serious thing that That's what I'm saying
to you, Like that doesn't make sense. If you're going
to let somebody go off and celebrate, that's the day
to get drunk.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
You're going to the finals. But who's gonna stop somebody
from drinking during that celebration?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And my only thing is just and the final point
is that just felt like couldn't you have gotten more?
That's the big You're letting a generational talent go, Rob.
This isn't brandon Ingram, this isn't Zion, this isn't you know,
some other good players around the law.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
He's a good young player. I like him.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
He's in Tyrese Halliburton, a generational talent go. That was
the biggest part. And again and who you paired a
d with? But it's just yeah, I've just haven't seen
something like this in quite some time with a compound.
I mean, it just got worse and worse and worse
and worse and worse for the Mavericks and it's just
the fans gotta be sick. They showed us a shot
of Mark Cuban the other night and he just was like,
(31:00):
what the heck just happened?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I don't know why he sold the team and thought
he was going to run the team. Really, who gives
you who buys your store and then let you run
the store? Right, I'm just like it has to be like,
what just happened? We were a well run in the
finals last year. He sold out, Well that's what you did. Yeah,
he chose to
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
We had the terrible, terrible news. We were watching it here.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yes, well, the TV's always on and the games are
on and stuff, as we do the show to keep
updated with what's happening in the world of sports, and
of course the unfortunate Kyrie irving with the.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Achilles right, No, it's the ACLCL. I'm sorry, ACL, he's out.
It's gonna be rob g. What'd you say at least
like a year nine months and then a nine months.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
To a year standing recovery for an ACL that's not
counting the ramp up time to become yourself, so realistically,
could be we're looking at the twenty twenty six season,
see to see him back to where we are.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
And I'm gonna just say this, I mean, you know,
the basketball gods they cheated us of what could have
been a fantastic redemption story for Kyrie. He's been through
all kinds of stuff. He's the guy who we've seen
hit one of the greatest shots, the one that capped
(01:25):
the three to one comeback against the Warriors, that choke
job by Steph Curry and company. He also is just
a tremendous, tremendous ball handler, finisher at the rim just
when he is healthy, one of the best guys you
want to watch play basketball, period. He got jobbed out
(01:45):
of being in the top seventy five. I still to
this day, and I think it's because of the other stuff, right,
because it ain't basketball.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It ain't basketball. What's the accolades? And I love Dame,
but what has What does Dame have?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Zero?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Zero? Kyrie is a chance being been in what three finals?
Two to three finals? Zero? Yeah, I'm with you, and
that game's great, but not what was?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Kyrie has a signature shot and moment in NBA history.
How's he not in the top seventy five? But that's
another story. And I just really felt like with a
d I'm not saying for short they're gonna win a championship,
but did we think last year that Minnesota was gonna
be Denver. No, we did not, and look where they
(02:27):
were at a chance at getting to the finals.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Oh yeah, So I just thought A D and Kyrie
are a perfect match. They go together sometimes. We talked
about Phoenix.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Adding people together doesn't mean that they always mesh, even
though they are three individually really good players, star players.
But Kyrie and Ad we got. Ad gets hurt right away.
He's gonna come back. But now Kyrie's lost, and I
feel sick to my stomach that again, here's something that
(03:00):
we could have gotten from the NBA, and here's another
opportunity that we're not going to be able to see.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And the basketball gods let me down. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Man, Wow, there's a lot to get to when you
watch something. Sometimes I think we get so caught up
in what we do you forget the actual just enjoyment,
entertainment of something, and that is what Kyrie has been
for so many years. Just esthetically, watching Kyrie play basketball
is literally like watching Prince in his prime perform, or
(03:30):
Michael Jackson or Paul McCartney or Whitney Houston or Rita Frank,
whoever your jam is like.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
He is pure artistry and we all love it. We
are marvel.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
He's one of those rare players that old heads, young
heads all agree.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Man, that boy's got it, you know what I mean.
People don't argue, there's no debate.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Like he's one of the most skilled and many people
say the most skilled player they've ever seen. Just pure skilled,
not accolades, not career. But once again, there's something about
Kyrie's career where it's derailed and it just has happened
throughout it.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
When he was with Cleveland before.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Lebron came back, it was just kind of meaningless basketball,
if you will. He was playing well, but team wasn't winning.
They weren't on national games. But you always do. Man,
that's that kid up there who can play. Goes with Lebron.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
They going to run.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
They go to a couple of finals, they win one.
You mentioned it, epic shot, the epic comeback. He's playing great.
You think, whoa, they might be able to make a
run at this. He decides to leave. He says, he
leaves because I want to be on my own, kind
of like Kobe and Shack. I want to do it
on my own. I want to do this. I don't
want to be trying to I'm not to be sunned.
I'm equal. Later on he would say, I should have stayed,
I should have stuck with him. We could have maybe
(04:35):
continued to have some magic. It got weird in Boston
where he was really good, but the team wasn't filling them,
and it was weird. It was it wasn't meshing. Personalities
were clashing, so they didn't work out there. Then it
Big three happens in Brooklyn. That doesn't work, injury suspensions,
covid not wanting to get vaccinated, other stuff brings up
(04:56):
with the media and his faith and people kind of
not understanding what he's saying. He didn't point being there
was always something with Kyrie that holds it back from
Kyrie just being at his best self. And to your point,
he has seemed to become a refined version of himself
off the court. He's extremely well spoken, fully aware where
he is as a person in his personal life, playing
(05:18):
some of the best basketball lately. And you think, all right,
maybe the Lakers won the full you know, the long
term view of this trade, but Dage, maybe the MAVs
won the short term. Maybe for the next two years,
Kyrie and ad can try to get to a championship.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Eighty goes down day one.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Now Kyrie's down, and it's just like another opportunity where
it's going to be hard Rob to tell the legacy
of Kyrie, you know what I mean, Like he may
never make a top seventy five because what will he
have done to add to it.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
No, it's definitely derailed his career and you know.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
What I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And it's like forward, you had to be there to
see him. And when he comes back, he's thirty three, right,
and he's coming off of major injury and just and
it's just another setback, and it's it's a shame because
I think he's a very talented player, one of the
all time grades. Had he stayed healthy, had he been
a little more stable, I'm not saying he couldn't move
around or you know, created too much, but but yeah,
(06:16):
had he been in probably two places or something, he
probably would be, uh they ready to the way they
put up statues now, they probably would have a statute
ready exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
So it's it's it's disappointing.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
He's kind of Kawhi like where uh Kawhi though one
in two different places. Yeah, I mean, but I mean
you can't like, how good could Kawhi have been if
he was fully healthy? Not fully everybody gets nicked up
an injury the times, but say eighty.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Five, So why would have been even bigger?
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Because I do believe that had had he won the
one with the Clippers, you would have three three championship,
three different franchises and franchise that never won, like you
would put yourself if he would be you in rarefied air.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, he's a rioter singularly, you mean better than Kyrie.
But what I mean is the storytelling of their career,
it's gonna be difficult, Like, no, you don't understand how
good this person was.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, I mean he.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Only no, no, no, I know he was heard in this happened,
he switches and you know and getting into it with
people in Boston didn't work out.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
But you don't understand how good Kyrie was. You don't
understand how goo Kawai was.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
They're in that category to me of like the story
of their career won't be as good as if you
actually watch them and saw it.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Do you get what I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Like the Jordan story is amazing and it's just great,
and Lebron's gonna be great and Kobe is gonna be
great like their story will be Ah, it doesn't do
justice on how good they were.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
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Speaker 3 (07:53):
You add on some words of advice.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
For Shadure's simple. You gotta be real careful, and we
talked about it when you go on these interviews.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
If you can't be take me as I am, take
me or take it or leave it or whatever, that's
just otherwise.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Why are you even going to an interview? Seriously, if
that's the persona you have when you go to an interview,
basically you're supposed to sell yourself and make people say, oh,
we gotta get this guy.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Am I right or wrong on that?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
When you go to an interview, I'm eighty with you, okay,
just a small coveyst okay with you.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
But that's the purpose of doing it. You be better
off not going at all. If you're just gonna go, well,
watch my film and decide whether or not you want me.
And I don't think that that would work, right, They'd
still want to.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Talk to you.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
They still want to talk to you. A personality element
to a leadership element like yes there is I'm sorry,
very seldom. And what happens is when you when you
ball out and you're.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Different, people can accept it because, Okay, this guy's success
for he one, this is how he is.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
We can deal with it.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Bill Belichick in New England. Treating the media that way
didn't work in Cleveland. He wasn't when he wasn't, when
any writer. That's my point is that you got to
understand that. And while you might have had success in college,
you haven't had any in the NFL. I hate to
break it to you, but most of the quarterbacks who
come in flop most it's not the other way around.
(09:27):
Most flop or don't live up to their expectations. So
that's all I'm saying. You want to be yourself, you
don't want to be phony, but there is a give
and take. People are trying to see who you are,
and I just think you can't go in there with that.
This is who I am, and if you don't like it,
draft somebody else. I don't think that works.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I think Shadure, I think we're gonna have an extended
conversation with jo seene It here in just a bit.
But I think it's a difficult one with him because
he's been this guy all his life life, very brash, confident.
But then on the flip side, everybody you talk to,
ex teammates, ex coaches, everybody loves him. Everybody you've not
(10:10):
heard a single bad thing about them. So it's one
of those if you yourself aren't comfortable with people who
are a little you know, very assured and self confident,
it may threw up you the wrong way, to throw you.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Off a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
But on the flip side, all he's been about is
great work, work ethic, and again being a good kid.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So it's one of those tough ones.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
If I'm a GM, I'm gonna say, all right, do
I like a guy who's gonna come in here with
a little extra sauce, you know, a little little extra
flavor and confidence and plays well and works his butt off.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And I think I would be able to be contextualized
enough that I can be okay with that, especially if
I know, or at least by my research has shown
he's a good person.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I just I get what you're saying that.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I don't think that's the purpose of having an interview.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And you go into an interview and you're just like
take me as I am, and that's it.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
That's not how you sell yourself. Otherwise, what is the
purpose of it. I don't need to bring you in.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And if it's just about it that you work hard
and you've had success on the field, is what I'm saying.
I want to get to know you a little bit more.
I want to hear how you tick, how you you know,
what's important to you, and all that other stuff. And
that's the part about selling that that is I think
because somebody else.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Might be just as talented as you. And then I
hear this kid and this is what he does, and
then I have to, you know, like like wow, this
this kids eat. It's really about football. This guy is
about the lifestyle of football, being a football player.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
This guy is about football. There's two different and I
get what you're saying. I think some of this has
been overblown with him. Again, we're going to carry this conversation.
I've been talking about what said about him.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I'm just saying, in an interview process and I just
I brought up the other one, and I asked Rob
Gidis when we're talking about someone coming into an interview
and he's a talented writer and all this, and he says,
if you don't hire me, there's gonna be a word
decision of your career like that, like he could be
that good, but that.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I don't want to hire you just because now I
don't want to want to work with you.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Do you understand what I'm saying that that's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying. And he could be a talented writer.
He could be, but that's not the way you go
in and sell yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
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Speaker 3 (12:50):
Hey, how are you?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
What's going on? Guys? What's y'all talking about?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
We're doing really good, well, we were talking about multiple things.
We're talking about the fact that he beats me over
the head with chicken all heat five to seven out
of the Saturday. See, I'm trying to shave and shame chickens.
My guys baked chicken from Rafts. They got a deal.
They got a whole chicken for three ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I got it. I'm all into it. It's all good,
all right, anyway, my.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Goodness already guyes a whole lot of them.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Since this started about an hour and thirty five minutes ago.
All right, we got you here. Just jump into this.
You you put out, uh, you caused some controversy. You
drop a tweet on them, and I was all in, like,
oh it was. People had some things to say, you
talking about schdor centers as we were just having a
conversation moments ago, how he may be rubbing some people
the wrong way because of his confidence, because of his persona,
(13:40):
because of you know, a little brackadocious if you will.
Some cases people I use this term. A week or
so ago we were talking about this. I said, Rob,
it's starting to feel like people want to humble him,
Like I don't like that he's you know, comes from
his dad's famous, he's always got nil money, and they
want to humble him a little bit. Uh, tell us
more about just your thoughts and what your interactions from
US insiders have said about this process so far.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
For Shador, well.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
My report was just limited to the comments of you know,
one quarterback coach that I've mentioned in the report pertain
to one of the teams drafting, you know, in the
top seven for the upcoming twenty twenty five drafts in April.
So my you know, report was just limited to that.
You know, I am aware that you know, some people
(14:26):
express their feelings over his election to U not work
out at the at the Combine, but you know, Shador
Sanders was not alone in not working out. Many of
the top prospects didn't do that. For Mason Graham to
ask some gent to you name it, it seems like
that's actually becoming more popular, which is a different topic
(14:47):
in and of itself in terms of the future of
the combine with people trying to you know, debate over
its relevancy. So the you know, part of the reason
why I put up that post is because I didn't
put every detail at to what I heard was actually
said about relative to you know, this particular coach and
the team. But I felt like the energy was negative
(15:11):
enough and potentially you know, rooted and biases that are
you know, arguably not you know, supposed to kind of
be making it into the conversation outside of you know,
a football assessment where I thought, you know, it was
a little bit too much ink cast in the water,
so to speak. And and you know, quite frankly as
(15:35):
covering the NFL for as long as I have for
over twenty years and going through this process every year
with the with the draft, and seemingly having stuff like
this come out on a particular high prospect a lot
of times it being players of you know, you know,
African American descent or what have you. I just found
it problematic and it did not feel the need to,
(15:56):
you know, name the person and name the team, because
I feel like, you know, that person who's going to
see it is going to be known. And I think
and I think the idea is just to cost some
awareness of how your comments out loud can make it
to the desk of a media person and potentially have
an effect. Not that you're not supposed to have your opinion,
(16:17):
but you know, just really having that conversation about you know,
what is stereotyping, what is trope? What are tropes? What
are things that are kind of crossing the line in
terms of being a fair assessment that you truly could
gather from a fifteen minute, fifteen to twenty minute interview.
That's kind of like speed dating at the combine.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, it was gonna let for you go, Rob, but
so yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
A little moment there.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
But it's one of those things you brought up where
you end the piece you use the word cultural too,
kind of cultural almost as you said, tropes, there's things
where they're I don't understand or I don't get in,
you know, maybe certain ways about people that then become
bias and why they don't like him when he really
doesn't necessarily root.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
It in anything.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
To me, I've only heard that he works incredibly hard,
that he's incredibly you know, all about football, all about business.
Does he enjoy a nice chain? He's even mentioned that, yes,
well I like a nice car. But you know, but
I'm locked in and that's all we've ever seen. So
I'm kind of confused on why it seems like lately,
just your opinion, why it seems to be kind of
now going down if you would have win it two
(17:24):
months ago. It's kind of a top five pick. Almost assured.
Now I'm here in you know, I'm sliding down a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Okay, So a couple of things. I'm not sure that
there's any you know, reporting that I can say that
he's going down. I still think that there is a potential, potential,
you know, chance, good chance for him to go to
the New York Giants. You still have to see what
the uh what Andrew Berry, the general manager that Cleveland
(17:51):
Brown is going to do at two. I think that's
a crucial thing, you know what Andrew Berry is going
to end up doing, particularly when you have such a
leverage piece Miles Garrett, who was basically asking to be traded.
You're saying you're not going to trade him, and obviously
it's it's the job of a general manager to keep
you know, good players. But you know, the the what
(18:13):
the Browns are looking to potentially do with Miles Garrett
by not letting him go. And I wrote this in
an articles actually in complete contrast to what they did
with Baker Mayfield when he was expressing discomfort at obviously
with Deshaun Watson coming in and they shipped him to
the Carolina Panthers before the season even started and alleviated
that discomfort in that situation. That's a whole other conversation.
(18:37):
So the point is, at least for my you know, knowledge,
I don't have any thing to say that he for
sure is fighting. I think there's a good chance that
he potentially goes to the Giants. We've seen the video
that came out where he was talking to Brian Dayball
and Giants Brash and some lobby in a hotel. It
was either the shrine or one of those things that
they do before the combine. I don't go to none
of them. I always just go to the combine. But
(18:59):
one of those things, you know, he was talking to them,
and we've heard the reporting us too as it relates
to their you know, potential interests. So that's not necessarily
you know what I'm seeing. And the other thing I
wanted to highlight is that, you know, when I'm talking
about you know, cultural issues, cultural issue doesn't necessarily pertain
to racial you know, cultural can mean generational, Cultural can
(19:19):
mean you know, just in terms of how a particular
group of people are going about their business in this
day and age because the finances have changed in the
dawn of the nil era and all that other stuff.
So there's a ton of things that you know that
you know can pertain to I specifically was brought about
that because the more specific that I was getting right,
(19:42):
the more specific it was going to become. And I
have to balance between reporting some things and also protecting sources.
And listen, I've broken enough stories where it's never my uh,
it's never my goal to put out something and just
have this purely sensational effect. I don't need to do that.
There's no story that's making me here. Tomorvelready broken a
billion stories. What I am trying to do is put
(20:05):
out a story that that is accurate, that reflects you know,
when I'm reporting, people get enough of it to understand
what's you know, going on. And then if there are
other mitigating factors, which you know, the public is, you know,
who are consuming you know, the news are not necessarily
aware of that, I have to take into consideration as well.
This may you know, affect the threshold to which I
(20:27):
am or the extent to which I'm saying something.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, you know, what if you didn't get a chance
to go check it out. Go again check out Josina
Anderson on X Thereina.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Thank you so much. As always, we just talk to you.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Of course, y'all have a good show. I appreciate y'all too.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
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Speaker 1 (20:53):
We were talking about it earlier, Rob, just the bad
news Kyrie over and we were watching it yesterday.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Goes down to ourn a ceo out for the season.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's gonna take anywhere from nine months to a year,
you know, however and long it'll take him to recover.
And it just really like I don't know if I
was really trying to think of in recent sports history
something compounding itself so badly, Rob, you know what I mean,
where it just went from worse to worse to worse
(21:21):
to worse. We wake up one day, we're all sitting
there getting ready to actually take it back, getting ready
to go to bed, and boom, the Luca trade happens
and that explodes, and everybody's beyond shocked and it's like, wait,
what the twenty five five times I was getting dressed
to go head out? Yeah, okay, well I was getting ready.
I think I probably had a three year old on
my chest, getting ready to go to bed, different lives,
and we're all blown away, like, oh my gosh, this
(21:41):
trade is crazy. And then we kind of assessed the
trading and go, okay, Anthony Davis is a heck of
a player, really good, but this is crazy. You just
traded all world twenty five year old for thirty one
year old perpetually injured.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
This is crazy. Then what happens.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Eighty gets injured the first game, and it's almost poetic
in that he's playing well, he's balling out, he's showing
MAVs like, this is who you got, I'm that guy,
and he's literally doing that, playing great.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Boom goes down. He's injured. He's been out for ever since.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
So now you go to the Lakers, Daveen playing well,
they're on the run, Luca's just getting these legs back,
and the Lakers look good.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
That makes it worse.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Then you have the governor of the MAVs coming out
saying stuff like, well, we didn't think it was gonna
be so much blowback, and we didn't what so that
makes it crazy. And then of course they're on the
mission to make you feel like Luca is gonna have
this crazy injury and catastrophic injury in five years, so
they're going on a campaign to make Luca look bad
to make themselves look better. And then boom, Kyrie goes
(22:39):
down last night, And I just don't know if I've
seen something compounds so faster in a matter of a
few weeks. You know, bag get to worse, get to worse,
get to worse. I mean, we joke a lot of
you and I about the Giants getting rid of Saquan
and then keeping Daniel Jones. He's terrible, and then the
next year he's no longer with you, so maybe that's
(23:00):
up there. But like I and then Tae Kwon going
on to win a championship with the Eagles, they just
made a worse trade. Things just got worse, and it
just kept going downhill, and to now this is one
of the worst sports situations in quite some time where
you made a blunder trade, everyone's confused by it, and
then injury to the guy you traded for, who's always
injured gets injured to now your best player still Kyrie
(23:22):
goes down, which obviously that was not their fault. Just
a terrible situation, which is maybe why you didn't want
to pay an injury prone AD with an injury prone Kyrie.
That was just not great And it's just a bad situation.
And I'm like really thinking, I can't think of something
in sports that like compounded bad after bad after bad
after bad like this in quite some time. Yeah, maybe
the fifth inning for the Yankees in the World Series. Seriously,
(23:46):
like that words just kept getting worse. That might be
the worst the other equivalent in the last you know,
several years.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah, I mean, I get your point on the present day,
but I'm not so sure that I can without questions
say it's the worst. We don't know what Luca can
turn into. They didn't want to pay three hundred and
fifty million dollars to a guy wasn't being professional or
taking care of himself. I'm not mad at them, like
they live with him. They looked at him like to
(24:16):
make a bold decision like that means that there's something there.
Because I keep saying this, it's not a basketball trade.
Obviously you're not training a twenty five year old international
star who's a first team All NBA okay, like five
of his seven years in his career or whatever. Okay,
So that it just that's not logical. So there's something
(24:40):
else there that frightened them to the point that they
didn't want to pay. And that's I've seen guys teams,
you know, pay players and then regret it later on.
And they paid Bradley Beal and all that, and then
you have an albatross. And I'm not saying that Luca
is Bradley Beal, but there's something else there and we
(25:00):
don't know. And while the Lakers are off to a
good start, we'll see what happens. We'll see after the.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Honeymoon wears off, does he fall back into bad habits?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
The off season, he comes back into training camp overweight
from going back to Europe, and like, there's a lot
of stuff that factors in. So, yes, the Mavericks get
the short end of the stick as we speak, because
two of the guys who you were hoping and counting
on are injured.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So there's no way of debating that. But I also
traded for said injury person.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Rob you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
The Ad also won a championship for the Lakers. I mean,
we can see there all day. We know what Ad
is a great player. So the Lakers traded for him
too when people questioned because he was always hurt, and
they got a championship out of them. I think you'll
take that if you're the Dallas Mavericks and somehow not
an eight year career ten if you could get a championship,
(25:55):
and that's what they were hoping that they could get
back to where they were this time.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
They'd have a rim protector.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
They have, you know, somebody who could play defense and
and and also he's a great scorer. We know that
that maybe in the short term, that's all you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Nobody.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You're not gonna win every year. Teams don't win like that.
It's hard. So so you know it sounds great. Are
they're gonna win a dynasty and win? The Warriors weren't
winning three in a row or three out of four
without Kevin Durant either. They just weren't if they didn't
go and get Kevin Durant. So and they won a
championship right the next year they lost. They gave up
(26:32):
that three to one lead. So I just think that
this is different, This is so unique, so strange. I'm
still not going to bash Dallas for deciding against him.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
You are nice. No, I'm not, because to me, it's
just it's not a basketball trade.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
But I guess what I agree with that said something
dark because they don't if this was just basketball, say
he wasn't overweighted, whatever, this is just basketball.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Then I say they're crazy. They're a sugar nough.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
There's some reason that they don't want to fork over
three hundred and fifty million to him, the same way
DeMarcus Cousins with the Kings. Do you remember that they
didn't want they didn't pay them, that the deadline came
and they were like, man, we can't. You know, I'm
not saying we can't control them, but like, like there's
(27:28):
all this stuff going on, all this craziness. We can't
if we give this guy two hundred and six million
at that time, two hundred and fifty one million, what
we're we gonna do here? And what they do? They
didn't give it to them, And guess what, DeMarcus never
got it. Yeah, that's true, But I guess so I
get with you. I totally get what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I guess I'm looking at it with the massive miss Again,
the key component for me is what we find out
in the more recent reporting is that they said, we
believe in the next five year he's gonna have a
catastrophic injury. But you literally got the guy who's often
injured so much so that he has a nickname street Clothes.
(28:06):
And I hate it for him because he's a good dude,
and he's incredibly talented and one of the better players
in the league.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Went healthy Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We know that, But you got him for Anthony Davis,
and you didn't get a bunch of draft fish, you
didn't get Austin Reeves, and then you pair them with
an often injured Kyrie.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So it's just a weird mix. And that's where it
went wrong.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
If they believe there's some deeper, darker stuff with Luca
that we will never know because he's not on our team,
Okay to that point, Okay, maybe there's something we don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I just go here, here it is, I just want
to this is just DeMarcus Cousins. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Twenty seventeen, this was according to Wojes, this was some
of the reason the Kings decided to trade him instead
of offering him an extension.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Quote.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
The King simply decided that they no longer wanted to
let cousins volatility dictate the culture of the locker room.
The King he was in line for a two hundred
and nine million dollar contract. This is twenty seventeen, and
they and they didn't give it to him, and that
and this is what I'm this is and I'm not
saying he's that or whatever, but there's something there. I'm
(29:12):
with you. If we're talking about the basketball straight up,
then we know that, uh, this was a horrific trade.
If this is about basketball, I don't believe it's about basketball.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I still even with that, there's something still off, Like
we can find a way to get this guy in shape.
We can find a way to tell him, hey, you know,
you don't know, you know, let sparingly with the hookahs.
And either way, I'm just not getting rid of him.
We don't have to go down this.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Can they take a beer from a guy who's of
age who's drinking after you? I said, after you won,
you had to the final, when can you have a beer?
Then I'm asking you.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
That in real time.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I remember look at Michael Finley, his face like always serious.
Then I'm looking Luka and Luca try to get it
back like and Michael Filly walked away. I'm like, oh,
this is a serious thing that That's what I'm saying
to you, Like that doesn't make sense. If you're going
to let somebody go off and celebrate, that's the day
to get drunk.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
You're going to the finals. But who's gonna stop somebody
from drinking during that celebration?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And my only thing is just and the final point
is that just felt like couldn't you have gotten more?
That's the big You're letting a generational talent go, Rob.
This isn't brandon Ingram, this isn't Zion, this isn't you know,
some other good players around the law.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
He's a good young player. I like him.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
He's in Tyrese Halliburton, a generational talent go. That was
the biggest part. And again and who you paired a
d with? But it's just yeah, I've just haven't seen
something like this in quite some time with a compound.
I mean, it just got worse and worse and worse
and worse and worse for the Mavericks and it's just
the fans gotta be sick. They showed us a shot
of Mark Cuban the other night and he just was like,
(31:00):
what the heck just happened?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I don't know why he sold the team and thought
he was going to run the team. Really, who gives
you who buys your store and then let you run
the store? Right, I'm just like it has to be like,
what just happened? We were a well run in the
finals last year. He sold out, Well that's what you did. Yeah,
he chose to
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