March 10, 2025 • 31 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether Sam Darnold should feel like a winner or a loser today after receiving a $100+ million deal from the Seattle Seahawks, argue over whether or not Myles Garrett rescinding his trade demand in Cleveland once they offered him a massive contract extension makes him a ‘fraud’ and debate whether the Pittsburgh Steelers or the New York Jets are better off in this reported quarterback swap (Justin Fields to NY and Aaron Rodgers to PIT).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
But speaking of losing, let's talk about Sam Darnold. Okay,
only you.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Can start the man the little Donald family is throwing
a part that crying shedding to the joynd million.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Speaking of losing, let's talk about it. But we but
you gotta admit did not tell you after those two games.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
He had a terrible game against the Lions and a
bad playoff game. And I said, this is the boogeyman,
this is he turned into a pumpkin. No one's gonna
buy into Sam Donald. Everything he did went out the window.
You could have one bad game, you can't have two
big bad games in the two biggest games of the year.
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And you see the money, three years, one hundred million,
only fifty five guaranteed. The numbers he put up with
other quarterbacks and what they're making.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
He's significantly lower, right, significantly.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
So they said, yeah, we'll take you, but we're not
we're not cashing you out for what the quarterback market
is you talked about the other day.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
It's like forty five.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That's like a from a solid to good.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
That all the kind of numbers he had, But they're
not give him that kind of money. Here's the worst part.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Then he's going to Seattle where they're really like tanking
or whatever. Sam, come on, we'll pay you thirty three
only forty five guaranteed. We're gonna take away your best receiver.
Who else retired one of the other receivers?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Right? Did they get rid of two receivers? Didn't they?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, they got rid of DK, that's aw him, No,
but there was but somebody else a receiver I think
he retired.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
But anyway, and an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So you're coming in, but was taking away weapons and
your protection is not going to be good on an
offensive line that was not good. Yeah, I mean he
sure you.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Got one hundred million fifty five guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Considering where your career was, you're saying to yourself, Man,
I'm fortunate where I'm at. Yeah, but you gotta admit,
this is crazy that he didn't get cashed out or
get a better deal, But I'm not surprised.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I knew this was gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The only reason why I'm not fully with you is
because I still don't know what he would have gotten.
Like if all of a sudden we hear reports were
had he won a playoff game he was gonna get
one twenty five, one thirty one forty, then I obviously
I had to be like, oh man, I'm with you,
because the challenges that I have with that is you're
looking at a guy like Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford was
only getting twenty seven through Stafford obviously you could argue
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was Hall of Fame caliber. We'll see what happens at
the end of his career, literal super Bowl champion, and
he isn't getting the money that he deserves. You're looking
at Rock Party, who's been the Super Bowls, who's been
the big games, NFC championship games. We're sitting here wondering
are they're going to break him off? So I do
think there's kind of a precedent being set of guys
who have delivered, but who are getting paid what we
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thought they would be, or I'm sure they believe they
should be as well. So I can't fully go where
you're trying to go. I get you, I definitely get you.
Those two games clearly didn't help, But I don't know
what he was really going to get again, based off guys.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
We have the five guarantee when Dak Prescott is making
sixty million, right, But I'm not saying that he was
going to get a five year or whatever, one hundred
million dollar whatever, a five year one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
But you can't tell me they don't believe in him.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
They don't, but that's a different I guess is a
fair point to believe.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
In him, don't believe in him like this.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
This is a This is a contract that says, Yo,
you had a really, really really good year. Literally you've
never had had a year like even remotely close to that.
You never even had a team like you own this
team because you brought up Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott can
say I've been the Cowboys twelve and five, twelve and five,
twelve and five obviously injured playoff appearances on MVP caliber
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season this season before this one until twenty twenty three,
like Dak Prescott can say that, like, this is what
I've been. Maybe i haven't had the playoff success, but
I've had some numbers. I've had some years. I've in
the face of a franchise. So you can say, whether
we agree or not, obviously we don't think you should
have got that much. You can walk in the door
with that. Sav Darno doesn't have that. He's never been
the face of a franchise. He wasn't drafted there and
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he's not their guy. So again, maybe he costs himself
some money. Will never really know because again you have
the Seahawks are saying, we're willing to give you one
hundred million fifty five guaranteed, as we know for a season.
So it's kind of a win for him. He started
the season last year. They ain't even win for him. Dude,
he literally thought I would thought he would have got more,
and I thought Minnesota woul would would want to.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Keep the team that he just had almost that took
to the playoffs, won fourteen games, didn't want them like
like seriously, like I don't care who you drafted or
who's sitting there. If they believed in him in that room.
Why would you get walk away? He was a former
first round pick, a top pick. But that's teams removed. Rob.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
No, I never you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Who has done this to quarterbacks? So you you're saying, now,
we could do this to anybody. Know, we're not buying
into you. That's all I'm saying. I thought, Remember, I
thought they would keep them on paper. It makes it
for them to keep them because J J. McCarthy it
hasn't played a single down in the NFL. He's coming
off that mc miniscus tear. So I thought, yeah, Keith
sam Downer at at a friendly rate for a couple
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of years. I thought he would get more of a
Baker Mayfield type deal, right a couple of years eighty
million rewarding you. But we're also not saying you're our
long term future as of right now. So this is
kind of you know less, but around what I was
thinking he would get in the sense of you really.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Thought it was gonna be three years thirty three, No,
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I thought guarantee. I thought it'd be like one, three years,
one ten, one fifteen, just.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Because fifty five guarantee.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's that I was more on the long term. I
hadn't worked out the guarantee three years one guarantee it is,
but listen for the number.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I'm just saying based off the numbers he put up
last year fourteen wins and took a team to the
playoffs that everybody had for last place in the division,
top five and touchdowns and yards and you get it
twenty But.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's the same thing you've been saying that teams will
go what if that ain't really him? And maybe he
is in as bad as he was to the Jets
and some other teams, but he ain't that.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So I don't want to pay the.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Guy as if that's what he's going to be the
next five, six, seven years, where we literally have never
seen that for him. So I think he walked into
this last previous season, the twenty twenty four season, And
I think if you'd have told Sam Darnold, you'd be
considered an MVP candidate, your team would be competing for
to win your division, get into the playoffs, and you
were gonna make one hundred million but fifty five guaranteed.
(07:10):
I think Sam Donald would be on his knees praising
God right now if I told him that this time
twenty twenty.
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Speaker 3 (07:28):
But one guy who didn't move teams, who was talking
a big game. He was huffing and puffing, but he
didn't blow down the Browns' house was Miles Garrett. Rob
g give us a little scenario, I mean, paint the
scene for what took place with Miles Garrett, because he
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was telling everybody that he wanted to win, get me
out of here, blah blah blah and all that, and
somehow someway.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
He's still in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Rather than me paint the picture, well, let Miles Garrett
paint the picture, because this is what he put out.
We have stated about a month ago, okay, how about
a week ago when.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
He first made his trade demand out of Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
This is what he said as a kid dreaming of
the NFL, all I focused on was the ultimate goal
of winning a Super Bowl, and that goal fuels me today.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
More than ever.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
My love for the community of northeast Ohio and the
incredible fan base of the Cleveland Browns has made this
one of the toughest decisions in my life. These past
eight years have shaped me to the man I am today.
While I've loved calling this city my home, my desire
to win and complete on the biggest stages won't allow
me to do to be complacent. And the goal was
never to go from Cleveland and Canton. It was always
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to compete and win a Super Bowl. With that in mind,
I have requested to be traded from the Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Browns, okay, and then talk about the deal he signed
in a.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Few weeks and they say, you know what, Miles, not
only are we not going to trade you, We're gonna
make you an offer of a four year, one hundred
and sixty million dollar contract, one hundred and twenty three
million guaranteed, the richest deal in NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
History for non quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
And suddenly, not only does Miles Garrett not want to
get traded out of Cleveland, he just re upped and
to boot, he got himself a no trade clause. Just
to put a little cherry on top of this whole situation.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Kevin, I don't know what you I don't know what
you think, but that's when somebody's fraudulent. You gotta call
him a fraud. It's one thing to say you just
want out, you want to be traded, but to say
it's about winning.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
You always dreamt about, you know, winning, and that's what.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
It was about, and never thought about going to Canton
from Cleveland. Right, that's what he said. And then they
come along with money for you, and then all of
a sudden, all of those words really don't matter because
they never were And maybe that was just deployed to
begin with. And he was talking huffing and puffing because
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they didn't want to pay him. And I think the
Cleveland Browns continue to make bad decisions. It is a
terrible decision to re sign or give him an extension
at this kind of money. He's a great player. That
isn't even the issue. The issue is, don't you're in
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last place? You can finish in last place with him
or without him. You can. You had him last year
and you finished in last place and you got a
bad quarterback who has a bad contract, And how do
you get better when you give him that kind of
(10:48):
a deal. Right, that's less money to spend on other players.
If you have the Shaun Watson and you have to
stick with him. Don't you do this. Say he's just
gonna be a stopgap until we can get from underneath
that contract. Let's go ahead, trade Miles Garrett, get some
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young players and pigs or whatever developed them, and by
the time we get out of quarterback purgatory with Deshaun Watson,
then we'll have a couple of players who in their
second or third years and they can replace Miles Garrett.
And I'm gonna say, like, replace him, like, no, you better,
but in his spot and different stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I think this was a mistake. Well, I believe he
thought that. He believed it. I believe he thought he
and his agent were like, man, you know what, it's
time to move on. You want to win. We already
know you're going to Canton. You're Hall of Famer, You've
made a couple bucks in this league. Let's go win now.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
But daggd, you know what happened, rob Ge, what they do?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I want to make them an all free game refuse.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
They made that man an all three k refuse. Rob
You've been in this business.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Everybody has a number that they go, huh, you don't say, well,
let me reconsider some things you've been in negotiations. I
will use myself for an example, Dagda. I thought I
was gonna leave a particular place. Me and my agent
were like, you know, let's see what else. We got
some opportunities out there. And you know what they did,
Rob's They came back and said, hey, man, we'll put
this on top. We'll do this as matter of fact,
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to even not have to negotiate. We're just gonna move
that up here. And I said, old, whoa, Okay, Well
when you put it that way, got any more of
them contracts?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
And that's my point.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
He really, I believe he genuinely thought I want to
go win. But he they threw money in him. No
one else was gonna give him. Nobody probably didn't even
consider he's. Hey, they probably had a like make.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
One of the old he's one of the best players.
You just have him and can no one's gonna pay him.
Here's the thing that they is smart. That doesn't that
doesn't compute with me and your story. You didn't go
You are a free agent looking to go somewhere else right,
looking at to leverage. You didn't come out and say
I want to go work at a station that has
better ratings or I want to work at at at
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the network.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
This is what he said.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
He didn't say pay me or I'm out of here
quietly or whatever you sent out. Okay, you're not winning
in Cleveland. So he took the money because no, winning
is not Winning was never the issue. And that's my
point to you, is that it couldn't have been about winning,
because if that was really your thing, you already said it,
You've already established yourself, you already made a lot of money.
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You're gonna get paid in this league because he's that talented.
Winning was never on the table, because if it really
was on the table, you wouldn't still be in Cleveland
in a division they can already tell me.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
You last or third out of four, depending on how for.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
The next five years, four or five years. I'm serious
with the way that the division is stacked.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I mean, Lamar ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Pittsburgh has been good or at least solid for years.
We don't know what they'll be, but they're solid there,
tough team, and obviously the Bengals would like to think
they're better than what they showed this year. But I
really mean this, I believe that he probably thought they're
gonna offer me something.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
They're gonna but at the end of the day, I'm
ready to go.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
And they threw up a number, maybe twenty million dollars
more than he thought his agent even thought he can get.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
And winning that that that and that and that changes thing.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, then you were not.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You were never about winning though, because you're not gonna
win there. But here's the thing, all right, so where
where where would you Where.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Can you go and guarantee you win? No, you you can't.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But but playing in Cleveland with a bad quarterback who's
never regained his form. To the money that you took right,
the money you paid, which means less uh the cap
has hit, so less uh.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
More, less cap to use.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I get what your saying, Okay, as far as bringing
in other people and.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
That that you you've already set yourself up. My point
is you could get all the money you want. He
got on his soapbox about winning. He signed his death
certificate in Cleveland that he's not gonna win. So it
wasn't about winning. It was about getting the most money.
That's all I'm saying. In that case, he was fraudulent.
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He was a fraud He's sold one thing to people,
you all excuse me, I'll give me one out of
Cleveland because I really want to win. That was my
goal my whole life being in an NFL and all
that sounds good. Okay, that sounds good. You know what
some people do to win. Some people take a discount,
They sacrificed, they syclifice money to go to a better situation.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Well, here's the one thing I'll say. That's why I
don't buy him.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Here.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
A couple of things.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So one, I think we're also got to keep in
mind the sport in which we're in, will we and
I talk about this a lot, especially when it comes
to the NFLPA. These contracts are not guaranteed, fully guaranteed.
They're only you know whatever it is, Sam Donald one
hundred and some million. No he's not, he's fifty five million.
So I think in a sport where somebody's willing to
give him that amount of money for a position that's
not a quarterback the most ever, I think he absolutely
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had to look at that, especially in this sport. It's
not baseball, it's not an NBA with things are guaranteed.
This is fine out here. Hold on, hold on, let
me let me cook. Let me Cook also go back
to the Browns. I think that the Browns are looking
at him as well. Dang it, you're right about we
all know and we made a mistake with the Deshaun Watson.
This is just playing out in our face week after week.
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How bad of a decision this was. How about we
give some crazy money as this is a part of
our apology tour where we can get a guy who
has been a staple in the community. He has minority
ownership with the Cleveland Cavaliers, He's been here the fans level.
We got Shady walking around with Miles Garrett Jersey on
he sales jerseys. He's just never have any issues in
the public. Very well spoken, articulate guy. Let's honor that
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guy so we can be saying part of our apolty short,
here's a guy we believe in. Here's a guy's been
great creedy. Here's a guy's getting money. Here's a guy
we know not even thirty years old. Yet he won't
be thirty until pretty much the end of the season December.
We know he's gonna put up another season like he
does year in year out, MVP, I mean defensive MVP
caliber season. Let's lean on that guy, so we can say,
check the by that guy. Maybe one side of the
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ball is solid. We have that, and I think that's
part of the Deshaun Watson. Let's try to equal out
the bad that we did there with the person, not
only the talent. We believe in the person. We believe
and I think for him, I do think the hometown.
I've been here, I know the community played a role
in Well, Dan get if I'm mistake somewhere and lose,
I'd rather do that here.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
That makes no sense to me.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
It just doesn't because you wouldn't have gone on that
whole thing about winning and how important it was and
how it was time to move on, because you're not
serious your whole thing. If he didn't make those statements,
then I'm buying you. Okay, then I'm buying you. He
said he wanted to win, he did not. And the
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Browns if they're using your logic about rewarding a guy
despite being in last place with him, he didn't solidify
the defense only he was there last year and they
couldn't stop anybody. My point to you is this, how
in the world the Browns making these decisions? No more,
no wonder why they haven't been to the super Bowl. No,
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wonder why they haven't won a super Bowl. Because if
this is your rationale, a god comes to you and
says he wants to win, and all you're gonna do
is throw money at him.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And they said, but they said it was on the
jump of this rob They said, we are not letting
them go.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
That was their point. I get what they said.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
But I'm just telling you, if Miles Garrett was serious
about winning, he would be willing to take less to
get out of Cleveland, to go to a situation that's better.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Than he was.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
But when somebody, especially in football, it gives you one
hundred and.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Sixty million dollars and a football that they want a
new contract in order to stay here.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I want money. I want to be the highest paid player.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Make that case, and that people would look at you
and say, he thought he was gonna get this. And
I think if if they're going to pay me the
same thing or maybe a little bit less, I mean
a little bit more than someone else, then I'd rather
go some else to making a little less.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
One hundred and sixty million dollars. Is it all guaranteed?
Of course? Not all?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Okay, one hundred and twenty three guaranteed or a non
quarterback Roy Parker.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
All I'm saying, man, man make a case.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You can't make a case to the Remember they had
him with the laser and remember it was black to
he don't remember nothing. It was never about winning. It
was never about winning. I genuinely believe that he thought
it was about win. Number would be around with somebody else.
So many players have taken less to go to winning teams.
Not never about winning. That's that's Uh, It's just not
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about winning. It's about money, which is fine. All I'm
making the case is that that that.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
His I know what you're saying, and I genuinely thought
he thought he was until they gave him some money.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
He and his agent didn't think he was about to get.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
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Speaker 5 (19:58):
The streets are saying there's a swing party going on
total Jets and the Steelers. They're just swapping quarterbacks allegedly.
Now we already know you mentioned that Justin Fields is
the new man in Gang Green do.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You know I want to say this real quick. You
know that that there were Yankees in the seventies who
did the wife swap?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Did you know that? Originally? Remember that TV up original?
But it's it happened the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
There were two players on the team, they're both mat
and they swipe Watt.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I was just there's some curries, some stuff too crazy.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Jeez, Louise y'all ain't making it six years Steve Steve
four and a half over under four and a half hour.
I'm just saying, he said, under some people you know,
but uh, you guys mentioned it.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Okay, Justin Fields new Man in New York, two years.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Forty million, thirty million guaranteed, which is a lot when
you consider reality here, k dub Yeah, Uh, Justin Field
is not much of a passer, to put it mildly, okay.
Through six games as it started last year, his QB
was fifty four. That was twenty at the Mongol Quarterbacks.
He threw for fewer one hundred and fifty yards to
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completed fewer than sixty percent of his passes in his
last two weeks as starter when he was the quarterback
in Pittsburgh. Not only was he not efficient as a passer.
They flat out did not want to pass the ball.
They were thirty first in the NFL early down pass right,
thirty second in rate of yardage via the pass. Even still,
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he's the new man in New York. On top of that,
multiple outlets, including the Pittsburgh Post Gazette out reporting that
in an effort to replace Justin Fields, they're not gonna
go to Russell Wilson. Jerry Dulak reporting that Aaron Rodgers
is currently being circled as the next guy in Pittsburgh.
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So essentially a trade between the Steelers and the Jets
Justin Fields for the forty plus year old Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Let me say this, are the Jets secretly trying to tank?
Is that what they're trying to do? Seriously, because I'm
not saying keeping Aaron Rodgers. Just the way everything went
and you got a new regime and a general manager,
you don't want to have your own guy.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
But I don't get to Justin Fields, I really don't.
You're Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You're coming off coming from a place right that's had
success with the Lions.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
People got expectations for you.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
And if you come there and they start out four
and thirteen?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Do you know what I mean? But maybe that's the goal.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Is that the goal is like they gave him two years,
thirty million.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
That's not a lot of money for a quarterback. So
it's not like they, oh, no, he didn't get here,
say say he's the guy. Oh we got our quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
We got a young guy who was four and two
last year's gonna be our st No, it doesn't feel
like if you're justin fields, how do you feel that
there was no market for you?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
No, you really ask me? Now, I think fully aware.
I think he knows.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I mean, he talked about it last season. I thought
he's you know, you know, I thought they should have
kept running with him. See what else he has, see
what else he can be. But he even said, hey,
I didn't play well with well enough, So he knows.
At this point in his career, the new vision board
is Sam Donald. Right where if it's the Jets, I
go there a ball out and then I get to
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check after the next condre you know, only a couple
of years, so then maybe they re sign me or
something like that. I'm just saying Sam Donald is the
new thing. Baker Mayfield is the new you have Geno
Smith as the new thing. I'm looking at saying, start
it off. People didn't believe in me, haven't had the
full go at it, haven't had the chance.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
I thought i'd deserve it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
A stable organization, Okay, whatever, boom, this is the new
way I'm gonna do this. So if you're justin Fields,
that's his mindset. Ro I'm going in this. I got
a bunch of offensive weapons. I'm back with guys I
played within college. I got a bunch of receivers. I
got a running back. Hopefully the bounces back to it's
twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three ways. And if you're him,
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you're saying, I'm in this situation. They believe in me,
and as of today, I'm the starter. Now we got
a whole lot of offseason off right, they still got
a draft coming up. Who knows what they're gonna do.
But as of today, if you are you know, if
you are looking at this as justin fields, I'm the starter.
They've given me guaranteed money and now I can go
out here and play and hopefully play even better than
(24:27):
I was doing with the Steelers at a four and
two last.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Years what do you think he's gonna do. I think
he'll be around that.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I don't know the right like four and two, we
obviously didn't get the prolonged season to have a full record.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Or what that be.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I think he's gonna enjoy those weapons. I think he's
gonna be similar numbers to what Aaron Rodgers did. Obviously
a rushing element that Aaron Rodgers can't do. I think
he's gonna have weapons. I think he's gonna continue to
get better.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
He hasn't shown he can throw the ball consistent that
and and that's that's it, and that's an issue.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
That is an issue. But he's got a bunch of
weapons to throw to and again they're gonna be looking
for him today. It's right now, no draft, you're our guy,
so go out there and do your thing. He didn't
have Russell Wilson over his shoulder right now. But this
is just weird, Rob, to me, on both fronts, right,
I can get if you're the Jets.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I'm not. I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I don't think it's weird on the Steelers. And I'm
gonna say why what they haven't won a playoff game?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
And what is it?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Rob G Nine years, Like Mike top hadn't won a
playoff game in like nine.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Years, So why is he the answer? Oh, I'm just.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Saying because his numbers were similar to Patrick Mahomes. They
got a better defense, and they just got a star
receiver that they just I'm just saying, if you're looking
at the numbers right, if you were to put Patrick
Mahomes on that Jets team, I doubt they were fifteen
and two. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
If I put Patrick Mahomes on that that Jets.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Team last year where they couldn't run the ball and
their defense was bad, how many games.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Did they lose?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Rob g on the last drive of the game where
the defense gave up a touchdown and lost to a Patriots,
They lost to the Colts, They lost like four games.
You're about to make it and even go look it
up and even Denver you remember the missfield goal. There's
about four or five games that they had to lead
in the final minute that they lost.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
You can look it up. That was the offense too.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I was about to say, just saying who was on
the field when the game was decided?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
That to you a lot of times it was Aaron
not making a play.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
And one of things you also miss is how about
we're only up three. How about you make us up ten.
No no, no, no no, and how about we go up
six so they have to score. You can also get
a stop. You know you're the Patriots coming go look
at it. It walks down the field. And numbers, Rob Parker,
you want to talk about numbers, Aaron Rodgers numbers were
you know Iva Keviurrial. They were solid. The issue with
(26:45):
it is number one? What's the most important? Five and twelve? Also,
passing yards thirty eight hundred we called thirty nine or
even round up. But he was twenty fifth in QBR.
And if you're talking about Justin Field's not being the
best passer, twenty fifth, he was third, and completion percentage
in twenty eighth in yards for a tent So he
went out there lighting it up like that, and as
(27:07):
much as it seems, because there's the other side of it,
he throw the football.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Is there any question about whether Aaron Rodgers can throw
the football?
Speaker 4 (27:14):
The question my concern I'm asking, I'm just I just
asked you one question.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Not at a great and answer your question. Can throw
the football at an accurate race? Can he throw the
football at an accurate rate. Now that's my answer.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Can he throw the football that's not at an accurate rate?
That's not what I asked you.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So so he threw for a three thousand many yards
thousand yards and he's not accurate.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Is that what you just said? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And justin field you say is going to utilize those
weapons that he has, but he can't throw the ball.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
He was thirtieth here passing the glad you asked, here's
the difference. I'm really glad you asked. When we look
at the com quarterbacks right now that are having success,
that have had even playoff success, and I even won
a Super Bowl. I look at Jalen Hurts, What did he.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Do great this year? Rob Gi passed the ball? And yeah,
what school is that? He ran the ball like the
Super Bowl and the and the touchdown he threw down
feet just saw him get the ball one hundred times.
You can he could throw the football and saw him
get put him on the same line.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Jalen heard No, no, no, no, that wasn't even what I
was saying. What I'm saying is dual threats. You know
who else was in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
He's not a dual Patrick, throw the football and you
know what you said, a dual threat and you know
what they said, yes, and you know what they said
about Lamar Jackson too. For the first handful of years
of Lamar Jackson. He can't throw the football, Lamar Jackson.
I'm gonna Patrick Mahome, I'm gonna Josh Allen Dan to
stop you there. When you got what I'm saying, fields
who nobody wants who The Bears couldn't know when they
(28:42):
traded for him, nobody wanted what he was a fifth
round pick.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yes, So what I'm saying to you is the difference
between Iron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
No, he's not Lamar.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
What I'm saying is what we have now seen is
the most of the successful quarterbacks are dual threat. They
run the ball and they can also pass. And what
I'm saying is when he gets to the Jets, yes
he'll pass, and will he have the numbers exactly like
Aaron Rodgers may be passing. No, but his ability to
maybe get twelve to fifteen touchdowns on the ground is huge.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
That's what has to move off of him. Why they
the Steelers are Steelers. He was four and two and
according to you he's a dual threat. That's what all
the quarterbacks are doing. Why they move off of him
at four and two?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I don't know, because he worked.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Well and work because he didn't play as well as
you make it out to be, even though.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
That's the parts you're missing. Rob. I'm saying was I
would have liked to have seen what I've got. No,
you keep my thing. Literally.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I didn't say he was all world. He was ten touchdowns,
one interception. We're four and two. All I was saying was,
let's just see what it is so we can go.
But you know, you think Mike Tomlin and the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
And people hope you asked me this question.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
You think they're looking at him and saying, oh, wait
a minute, he's really good and we're dumb.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
I'm glad you asked.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
That is one of the worst offensive teams in the
last six seven years. So do I believe my tom
is a heck of a coaches for him? Do I
believe Mike Toma moved off? Do I believe Mike Tomlin
can make up most Do I believe he can make
bad choice?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Russell Wilson came in for the next five or six games,
What kind of offense did they have?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
It was much was dynamic?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Do you want the last five games? No, I want
to talk that's in the last five games. But why
straight losses? But he played bad? Was it dynamos? Was
it dynamic? Though not better? It was dynamic.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Dynamic is way too far.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
You talk is a way it was better, Rob, Dynamic
is extreme.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
No, it was dynamic. He could throw the ball down.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Feel No, watch this, watch this, Rob g We talked
about the Rams and they had a little bad patch
offense when the Steelers. When the Steelers had five straight
games when they weren't scoring and doing bad, Pats had
like four games without a touchdown and the Steelers lost.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
He had twenty.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Touchdowns and eight picks. Russell Willimony loss downs in seventeen games.
He Matthew Stafford at twenty touchdown in set multiple He
didn't even average one touchdown a game.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Russell Wilson mad just straight games, five straight. And all
I was saying was, let's just see what Justin fields
can be. I'm not even saying he's over. Let's just
see you can you can have Aaron Rodgers. I already
know what that is.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
You can hang on this justin Fields. For him to
sign a two year, thirty million dollar deal tells you
what they think. And I'm not the quarterback of their
future that yours.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Let's go see And this is on him to show
them what he can do. It's literally on him. He
has no excuse. You got some weapons, you got an opportunity.
It's on you.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
But speaking of losing, let's talk about Sam Darnold. Okay,
only you.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Can start the man the little Donald family is throwing
a part that crying shedding to the joynd million.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Speaking of losing, let's talk about it. But we but
you gotta admit did not tell you after those two games.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
He had a terrible game against the Lions and a
bad playoff game. And I said, this is the boogeyman,
this is he turned into a pumpkin. No one's gonna
buy into Sam Donald. Everything he did went out the window.
You could have one bad game, you can't have two
big bad games in the two biggest games of the year.
(01:06):
And you see the money, three years, one hundred million,
only fifty five guaranteed. The numbers he put up with
other quarterbacks and what they're making.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
He's significantly lower, right, significantly.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
So they said, yeah, we'll take you, but we're not
we're not cashing you out for what the quarterback market
is you talked about the other day.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
It's like forty five.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That's like a from a solid to good.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
That all the kind of numbers he had, But they're
not give him that kind of money. Here's the worst part.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Then he's going to Seattle where they're really like tanking
or whatever. Sam, come on, we'll pay you thirty three
only forty five guaranteed. We're gonna take away your best receiver.
Who else retired one of the other receivers?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Right? Did they get rid of two receivers? Didn't they?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, they got rid of DK, that's aw him, No,
but there was but somebody else a receiver I think
he retired.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
But anyway, and an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So you're coming in, but was taking away weapons and
your protection is not going to be good on an
offensive line that was not good. Yeah, I mean he
sure you.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Got one hundred million fifty five guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Considering where your career was, you're saying to yourself, Man,
I'm fortunate where I'm at. Yeah, but you gotta admit,
this is crazy that he didn't get cashed out or
get a better deal, But I'm not surprised.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I knew this was gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The only reason why I'm not fully with you is
because I still don't know what he would have gotten.
Like if all of a sudden we hear reports were
had he won a playoff game he was gonna get
one twenty five, one thirty one forty, then I obviously
I had to be like, oh man, I'm with you,
because the challenges that I have with that is you're
looking at a guy like Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford was
only getting twenty seven through Stafford obviously you could argue
(03:02):
was Hall of Fame caliber. We'll see what happens at
the end of his career, literal super Bowl champion, and
he isn't getting the money that he deserves. You're looking
at Rock Party, who's been the Super Bowls, who's been
the big games, NFC championship games. We're sitting here wondering
are they're going to break him off? So I do
think there's kind of a precedent being set of guys
who have delivered, but who are getting paid what we
(03:23):
thought they would be, or I'm sure they believe they
should be as well. So I can't fully go where
you're trying to go. I get you, I definitely get you.
Those two games clearly didn't help, But I don't know
what he was really going to get again, based off guys.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
We have the five guarantee when Dak Prescott is making
sixty million, right, But I'm not saying that he was
going to get a five year or whatever, one hundred
million dollar whatever, a five year one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
But you can't tell me they don't believe in him.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
They don't, but that's a different I guess is a
fair point to believe.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
In him, don't believe in him like this.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
This is a This is a contract that says, Yo,
you had a really, really really good year. Literally you've
never had had a year like even remotely close to that.
You never even had a team like you own this
team because you brought up Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott can
say I've been the Cowboys twelve and five, twelve and five,
twelve and five obviously injured playoff appearances on MVP caliber
(04:19):
season this season before this one until twenty twenty three,
like Dak Prescott can say that, like, this is what
I've been. Maybe i haven't had the playoff success, but
I've had some numbers. I've had some years. I've in
the face of a franchise. So you can say, whether
we agree or not, obviously we don't think you should
have got that much. You can walk in the door
with that. Sav Darno doesn't have that. He's never been
the face of a franchise. He wasn't drafted there and
(04:42):
he's not their guy. So again, maybe he costs himself
some money. Will never really know because again you have
the Seahawks are saying, we're willing to give you one
hundred million fifty five guaranteed, as we know for a season.
So it's kind of a win for him. He started
the season last year. They ain't even win for him. Dude,
he literally thought I would thought he would have got more,
and I thought Minnesota woul would would want to.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Keep the team that he just had almost that took
to the playoffs, won fourteen games, didn't want them like
like seriously, like I don't care who you drafted or
who's sitting there. If they believed in him in that room.
Why would you get walk away? He was a former
first round pick, a top pick. But that's teams removed. Rob.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
No, I never you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Who has done this to quarterbacks? So you you're saying, now,
we could do this to anybody. Know, we're not buying
into you. That's all I'm saying. I thought, Remember, I
thought they would keep them on paper. It makes it
for them to keep them because J J. McCarthy it
hasn't played a single down in the NFL. He's coming
off that mc miniscus tear. So I thought, yeah, Keith
sam Downer at at a friendly rate for a couple
(05:50):
of years. I thought he would get more of a
Baker Mayfield type deal, right a couple of years eighty
million rewarding you. But we're also not saying you're our
long term future as of right now. So this is
kind of you know less, but around what I was
thinking he would get in the sense of you really.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Thought it was gonna be three years thirty three, No,
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I thought guarantee. I thought it'd be like one, three years,
one ten, one fifteen, just.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Because fifty five guarantee.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's that I was more on the long term. I
hadn't worked out the guarantee three years one guarantee it is,
but listen for the number.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I'm just saying based off the numbers he put up
last year fourteen wins and took a team to the
playoffs that everybody had for last place in the division,
top five and touchdowns and yards and you get it
twenty But.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's the same thing you've been saying that teams will
go what if that ain't really him? And maybe he
is in as bad as he was to the Jets
and some other teams, but he ain't that.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So I don't want to pay the.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Guy as if that's what he's going to be the
next five, six, seven years, where we literally have never
seen that for him. So I think he walked into
this last previous season, the twenty twenty four season, And
I think if you'd have told Sam Darnold, you'd be
considered an MVP candidate, your team would be competing for
to win your division, get into the playoffs, and you
were gonna make one hundred million but fifty five guaranteed.
(07:10):
I think Sam Donald would be on his knees praising
God right now if I told him that this time
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
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Speaker 3 (07:28):
But one guy who didn't move teams, who was talking
a big game. He was huffing and puffing, but he
didn't blow down the Browns' house was Miles Garrett. Rob
g give us a little scenario, I mean, paint the
scene for what took place with Miles Garrett, because he
(07:50):
was telling everybody that he wanted to win, get me
out of here, blah blah blah and all that, and
somehow someway.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
He's still in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Rather than me paint the picture, well, let Miles Garrett
paint the picture, because this is what he put out.
We have stated about a month ago, okay, how about
a week ago when.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
He first made his trade demand out of Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
This is what he said as a kid dreaming of
the NFL, all I focused on was the ultimate goal
of winning a Super Bowl, and that goal fuels me today.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
More than ever.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
My love for the community of northeast Ohio and the
incredible fan base of the Cleveland Browns has made this
one of the toughest decisions in my life. These past
eight years have shaped me to the man I am today.
While I've loved calling this city my home, my desire
to win and complete on the biggest stages won't allow
me to do to be complacent. And the goal was
never to go from Cleveland and Canton. It was always
(08:43):
to compete and win a Super Bowl. With that in mind,
I have requested to be traded from the Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Browns, okay, and then talk about the deal he signed
in a.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Few weeks and they say, you know what, Miles, not
only are we not going to trade you, We're gonna
make you an offer of a four year, one hundred
and sixty million dollar contract, one hundred and twenty three
million guaranteed, the richest deal in NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
History for non quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
And suddenly, not only does Miles Garrett not want to
get traded out of Cleveland, he just re upped and
to boot, he got himself a no trade clause. Just
to put a little cherry on top of this whole situation.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Kevin, I don't know what you I don't know what
you think, but that's when somebody's fraudulent. You gotta call
him a fraud. It's one thing to say you just
want out, you want to be traded, but to say
it's about winning.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
You always dreamt about, you know, winning, and that's what.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
It was about, and never thought about going to Canton
from Cleveland. Right, that's what he said. And then they
come along with money for you, and then all of
a sudden, all of those words really don't matter because
they never were And maybe that was just deployed to
begin with. And he was talking huffing and puffing because
(10:05):
they didn't want to pay him. And I think the
Cleveland Browns continue to make bad decisions. It is a
terrible decision to re sign or give him an extension
at this kind of money. He's a great player. That
isn't even the issue. The issue is, don't you're in
(10:27):
last place? You can finish in last place with him
or without him. You can. You had him last year
and you finished in last place and you got a
bad quarterback who has a bad contract, And how do
you get better when you give him that kind of
(10:48):
a deal. Right, that's less money to spend on other players.
If you have the Shaun Watson and you have to
stick with him. Don't you do this. Say he's just
gonna be a stopgap until we can get from underneath
that contract. Let's go ahead, trade Miles Garrett, get some
(11:11):
young players and pigs or whatever developed them, and by
the time we get out of quarterback purgatory with Deshaun Watson,
then we'll have a couple of players who in their
second or third years and they can replace Miles Garrett.
And I'm gonna say, like, replace him, like, no, you better,
but in his spot and different stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I think this was a mistake. Well, I believe he
thought that. He believed it. I believe he thought he
and his agent were like, man, you know what, it's
time to move on. You want to win. We already
know you're going to Canton. You're Hall of Famer, You've
made a couple bucks in this league. Let's go win now.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
But daggd, you know what happened, rob Ge, what they do?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I want to make them an all free game refuse.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
They made that man an all three k refuse. Rob
You've been in this business.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Everybody has a number that they go, huh, you don't say, well,
let me reconsider some things you've been in negotiations. I
will use myself for an example, Dagda. I thought I
was gonna leave a particular place. Me and my agent
were like, you know, let's see what else. We got
some opportunities out there. And you know what they did,
Rob's They came back and said, hey, man, we'll put
this on top. We'll do this as matter of fact,
(12:22):
to even not have to negotiate. We're just gonna move
that up here. And I said, old, whoa, Okay, Well
when you put it that way, got any more of
them contracts?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
And that's my point.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
He really, I believe he genuinely thought I want to
go win. But he they threw money in him. No
one else was gonna give him. Nobody probably didn't even
consider he's. Hey, they probably had a like make.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
One of the old he's one of the best players.
You just have him and can no one's gonna pay him.
Here's the thing that they is smart. That doesn't that
doesn't compute with me and your story. You didn't go
You are a free agent looking to go somewhere else right,
looking at to leverage. You didn't come out and say
I want to go work at a station that has
better ratings or I want to work at at at
(13:02):
the network.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
This is what he said.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
He didn't say pay me or I'm out of here
quietly or whatever you sent out. Okay, you're not winning
in Cleveland. So he took the money because no, winning
is not Winning was never the issue. And that's my
point to you, is that it couldn't have been about winning,
because if that was really your thing, you already said it,
You've already established yourself, you already made a lot of money.
(13:27):
You're gonna get paid in this league because he's that talented.
Winning was never on the table, because if it really
was on the table, you wouldn't still be in Cleveland
in a division they can already tell me.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
You last or third out of four, depending on how for.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
The next five years, four or five years. I'm serious
with the way that the division is stacked.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I mean, Lamar ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Pittsburgh has been good or at least solid for years.
We don't know what they'll be, but they're solid there,
tough team, and obviously the Bengals would like to think
they're better than what they showed this year. But I
really mean this, I believe that he probably thought they're
gonna offer me something.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
They're gonna but at the end of the day, I'm
ready to go.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
And they threw up a number, maybe twenty million dollars
more than he thought his agent even thought he can get.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
And winning that that that and that and that changes thing.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, then you were not.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You were never about winning though, because you're not gonna
win there. But here's the thing, all right, so where
where where would you Where.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Can you go and guarantee you win? No, you you can't.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But but playing in Cleveland with a bad quarterback who's
never regained his form. To the money that you took right,
the money you paid, which means less uh the cap
has hit, so less uh.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
More, less cap to use.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I get what your saying, Okay, as far as bringing
in other people and.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
That that you you've already set yourself up. My point
is you could get all the money you want. He
got on his soapbox about winning. He signed his death
certificate in Cleveland that he's not gonna win. So it
wasn't about winning. It was about getting the most money.
That's all I'm saying. In that case, he was fraudulent.
(15:09):
He was a fraud He's sold one thing to people,
you all excuse me, I'll give me one out of
Cleveland because I really want to win. That was my
goal my whole life being in an NFL and all
that sounds good. Okay, that sounds good. You know what
some people do to win. Some people take a discount,
They sacrificed, they syclifice money to go to a better situation.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Well, here's the one thing I'll say. That's why I
don't buy him.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Here.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
A couple of things.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So one, I think we're also got to keep in
mind the sport in which we're in, will we and
I talk about this a lot, especially when it comes
to the NFLPA. These contracts are not guaranteed, fully guaranteed.
They're only you know whatever it is, Sam Donald one
hundred and some million. No he's not, he's fifty five million.
So I think in a sport where somebody's willing to
give him that amount of money for a position that's
not a quarterback the most ever, I think he absolutely
(15:56):
had to look at that, especially in this sport. It's
not baseball, it's not an NBA with things are guaranteed.
This is fine out here. Hold on, hold on, let
me let me cook. Let me Cook also go back
to the Browns. I think that the Browns are looking
at him as well. Dang it, you're right about we
all know and we made a mistake with the Deshaun Watson.
This is just playing out in our face week after week.
(16:16):
How bad of a decision this was. How about we
give some crazy money as this is a part of
our apology tour where we can get a guy who
has been a staple in the community. He has minority
ownership with the Cleveland Cavaliers, He's been here the fans level.
We got Shady walking around with Miles Garrett Jersey on
he sales jerseys. He's just never have any issues in
the public. Very well spoken, articulate guy. Let's honor that
(16:39):
guy so we can be saying part of our apolty short,
here's a guy we believe in. Here's a guy's been
great creedy. Here's a guy's getting money. Here's a guy
we know not even thirty years old. Yet he won't
be thirty until pretty much the end of the season December.
We know he's gonna put up another season like he
does year in year out, MVP, I mean defensive MVP
caliber season. Let's lean on that guy, so we can say,
check the by that guy. Maybe one side of the
(17:01):
ball is solid. We have that, and I think that's
part of the Deshaun Watson. Let's try to equal out
the bad that we did there with the person, not
only the talent. We believe in the person. We believe
and I think for him, I do think the hometown.
I've been here, I know the community played a role
in Well, Dan get if I'm mistake somewhere and lose,
I'd rather do that here.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
That makes no sense to me.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
It just doesn't because you wouldn't have gone on that
whole thing about winning and how important it was and
how it was time to move on, because you're not
serious your whole thing. If he didn't make those statements,
then I'm buying you. Okay, then I'm buying you. He
said he wanted to win, he did not. And the
(17:43):
Browns if they're using your logic about rewarding a guy
despite being in last place with him, he didn't solidify
the defense only he was there last year and they
couldn't stop anybody. My point to you is this, how
in the world the Browns making these decisions? No more,
no wonder why they haven't been to the super Bowl. No,
(18:04):
wonder why they haven't won a super Bowl. Because if
this is your rationale, a god comes to you and
says he wants to win, and all you're gonna do
is throw money at him.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And they said, but they said it was on the
jump of this rob They said, we are not letting
them go.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
That was their point. I get what they said.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
But I'm just telling you, if Miles Garrett was serious
about winning, he would be willing to take less to
get out of Cleveland, to go to a situation that's better.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Than he was.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
But when somebody, especially in football, it gives you one
hundred and.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Sixty million dollars and a football that they want a
new contract in order to stay here.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I want money. I want to be the highest paid player.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Make that case, and that people would look at you
and say, he thought he was gonna get this. And
I think if if they're going to pay me the
same thing or maybe a little bit less, I mean
a little bit more than someone else, then I'd rather
go some else to making a little less.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
One hundred and sixty million dollars. Is it all guaranteed?
Of course? Not all?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Okay, one hundred and twenty three guaranteed or a non
quarterback Roy Parker.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
All I'm saying, man, man make a case.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You can't make a case to the Remember they had
him with the laser and remember it was black to
he don't remember nothing. It was never about winning. It
was never about winning. I genuinely believe that he thought
it was about win. Number would be around with somebody else.
So many players have taken less to go to winning teams.
Not never about winning. That's that's Uh, It's just not
(19:35):
about winning. It's about money, which is fine. All I'm
making the case is that that that.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
His I know what you're saying, and I genuinely thought
he thought he was until they gave him some money.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
He and his agent didn't think he was about to get.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
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Speaker 5 (19:58):
The streets are saying there's a swing party going on
total Jets and the Steelers. They're just swapping quarterbacks allegedly.
Now we already know you mentioned that Justin Fields is
the new man in Gang Green do.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You know I want to say this real quick. You
know that that there were Yankees in the seventies who
did the wife swap?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Did you know that? Originally? Remember that TV up original?
But it's it happened the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
There were two players on the team, they're both mat
and they swipe Watt.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I was just there's some curries, some stuff too crazy.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Jeez, Louise y'all ain't making it six years Steve Steve
four and a half over under four and a half hour.
I'm just saying, he said, under some people you know,
but uh, you guys mentioned it.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Okay, Justin Fields new Man in New York, two years.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Forty million, thirty million guaranteed, which is a lot when
you consider reality here, k dub Yeah, Uh, Justin Field
is not much of a passer, to put it mildly, okay.
Through six games as it started last year, his QB
was fifty four. That was twenty at the Mongol Quarterbacks.
He threw for fewer one hundred and fifty yards to
(21:06):
completed fewer than sixty percent of his passes in his
last two weeks as starter when he was the quarterback
in Pittsburgh. Not only was he not efficient as a passer.
They flat out did not want to pass the ball.
They were thirty first in the NFL early down pass right,
thirty second in rate of yardage via the pass. Even still,
(21:27):
he's the new man in New York. On top of that,
multiple outlets, including the Pittsburgh Post Gazette out reporting that
in an effort to replace Justin Fields, they're not gonna
go to Russell Wilson. Jerry Dulak reporting that Aaron Rodgers
is currently being circled as the next guy in Pittsburgh.
(21:49):
So essentially a trade between the Steelers and the Jets
Justin Fields for the forty plus year old Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Let me say this, are the Jets secretly trying to tank?
Is that what they're trying to do? Seriously, because I'm
not saying keeping Aaron Rodgers. Just the way everything went
and you got a new regime and a general manager,
you don't want to have your own guy.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
But I don't get to Justin Fields, I really don't.
You're Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You're coming off coming from a place right that's had
success with the Lions.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
People got expectations for you.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
And if you come there and they start out four
and thirteen?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Do you know what I mean? But maybe that's the goal.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Is that the goal is like they gave him two years,
thirty million.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
That's not a lot of money for a quarterback. So
it's not like they, oh, no, he didn't get here,
say say he's the guy. Oh we got our quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
We got a young guy who was four and two
last year's gonna be our st No, it doesn't feel
like if you're justin fields, how do you feel that
there was no market for you?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
No, you really ask me? Now, I think fully aware.
I think he knows.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I mean, he talked about it last season. I thought
he's you know, you know, I thought they should have
kept running with him. See what else he has, see
what else he can be. But he even said, hey,
I didn't play well with well enough, So he knows.
At this point in his career, the new vision board
is Sam Donald. Right where if it's the Jets, I
go there a ball out and then I get to
(23:25):
check after the next condre you know, only a couple
of years, so then maybe they re sign me or
something like that. I'm just saying Sam Donald is the
new thing. Baker Mayfield is the new you have Geno
Smith as the new thing. I'm looking at saying, start
it off. People didn't believe in me, haven't had the
full go at it, haven't had the chance.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
I thought i'd deserve it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
A stable organization, Okay, whatever, boom, this is the new
way I'm gonna do this. So if you're justin Fields,
that's his mindset. Ro I'm going in this. I got
a bunch of offensive weapons. I'm back with guys I
played within college. I got a bunch of receivers. I
got a running back. Hopefully the bounces back to it's
twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three ways. And if you're him,
(24:04):
you're saying, I'm in this situation. They believe in me,
and as of today, I'm the starter. Now we got
a whole lot of offseason off right, they still got
a draft coming up. Who knows what they're gonna do.
But as of today, if you are you know, if
you are looking at this as justin fields, I'm the starter.
They've given me guaranteed money and now I can go
out here and play and hopefully play even better than
(24:27):
I was doing with the Steelers at a four and
two last.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Years what do you think he's gonna do. I think
he'll be around that.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I don't know the right like four and two, we
obviously didn't get the prolonged season to have a full record.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Or what that be.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I think he's gonna enjoy those weapons. I think he's
gonna be similar numbers to what Aaron Rodgers did. Obviously
a rushing element that Aaron Rodgers can't do. I think
he's gonna have weapons. I think he's gonna continue to
get better.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
He hasn't shown he can throw the ball consistent that
and and that's that's it, and that's an issue.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
That is an issue. But he's got a bunch of
weapons to throw to and again they're gonna be looking
for him today. It's right now, no draft, you're our guy,
so go out there and do your thing. He didn't
have Russell Wilson over his shoulder right now. But this
is just weird, Rob, to me, on both fronts, right,
I can get if you're the Jets.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I'm not. I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I don't think it's weird on the Steelers. And I'm
gonna say why what they haven't won a playoff game?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
And what is it?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Rob G Nine years, Like Mike top hadn't won a
playoff game in like nine.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Years, So why is he the answer? Oh, I'm just.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Saying because his numbers were similar to Patrick Mahomes. They
got a better defense, and they just got a star
receiver that they just I'm just saying, if you're looking
at the numbers right, if you were to put Patrick
Mahomes on that Jets team, I doubt they were fifteen
and two. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
If I put Patrick Mahomes on that that Jets.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Team last year where they couldn't run the ball and
their defense was bad, how many games.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Did they lose?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Rob g on the last drive of the game where
the defense gave up a touchdown and lost to a Patriots,
They lost to the Colts, They lost like four games.
You're about to make it and even go look it
up and even Denver you remember the missfield goal. There's
about four or five games that they had to lead
in the final minute that they lost.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
You can look it up. That was the offense too.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I was about to say, just saying who was on
the field when the game was decided?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
That to you a lot of times it was Aaron
not making a play.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
And one of things you also miss is how about
we're only up three. How about you make us up ten.
No no, no, no no, and how about we go up
six so they have to score. You can also get
a stop. You know you're the Patriots coming go look
at it. It walks down the field. And numbers, Rob Parker,
you want to talk about numbers, Aaron Rodgers numbers were
you know Iva Keviurrial. They were solid. The issue with
(26:45):
it is number one? What's the most important? Five and twelve? Also,
passing yards thirty eight hundred we called thirty nine or
even round up. But he was twenty fifth in QBR.
And if you're talking about Justin Field's not being the
best passer, twenty fifth, he was third, and completion percentage
in twenty eighth in yards for a tent So he
went out there lighting it up like that, and as
(27:07):
much as it seems, because there's the other side of it,
he throw the football.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Is there any question about whether Aaron Rodgers can throw
the football?
Speaker 4 (27:14):
The question my concern I'm asking, I'm just I just
asked you one question.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Not at a great and answer your question. Can throw
the football at an accurate race? Can he throw the
football at an accurate rate. Now that's my answer.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Can he throw the football that's not at an accurate rate?
That's not what I asked you.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So so he threw for a three thousand many yards
thousand yards and he's not accurate.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Is that what you just said? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And justin field you say is going to utilize those
weapons that he has, but he can't throw the ball.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
He was thirtieth here passing the glad you asked, here's
the difference. I'm really glad you asked. When we look
at the com quarterbacks right now that are having success,
that have had even playoff success, and I even won
a Super Bowl. I look at Jalen Hurts, What did he.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Do great this year? Rob Gi passed the ball? And yeah,
what school is that? He ran the ball like the
Super Bowl and the and the touchdown he threw down
feet just saw him get the ball one hundred times.
You can he could throw the football and saw him
get put him on the same line.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Jalen heard No, no, no, no, that wasn't even what I
was saying. What I'm saying is dual threats. You know
who else was in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
He's not a dual Patrick, throw the football and you
know what you said, a dual threat and you know
what they said, yes, and you know what they said
about Lamar Jackson too. For the first handful of years
of Lamar Jackson. He can't throw the football, Lamar Jackson.
I'm gonna Patrick Mahome, I'm gonna Josh Allen Dan to
stop you there. When you got what I'm saying, fields
who nobody wants who The Bears couldn't know when they
(28:42):
traded for him, nobody wanted what he was a fifth
round pick.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yes, So what I'm saying to you is the difference
between Iron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
No, he's not Lamar.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
What I'm saying is what we have now seen is
the most of the successful quarterbacks are dual threat. They
run the ball and they can also pass. And what
I'm saying is when he gets to the Jets, yes
he'll pass, and will he have the numbers exactly like
Aaron Rodgers may be passing. No, but his ability to
maybe get twelve to fifteen touchdowns on the ground is huge.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
That's what has to move off of him. Why they
the Steelers are Steelers. He was four and two and
according to you he's a dual threat. That's what all
the quarterbacks are doing. Why they move off of him
at four and two?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I don't know, because he worked.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Well and work because he didn't play as well as
you make it out to be, even though.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
That's the parts you're missing. Rob. I'm saying was I
would have liked to have seen what I've got. No,
you keep my thing. Literally.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I didn't say he was all world. He was ten touchdowns,
one interception. We're four and two. All I was saying was,
let's just see what it is so we can go.
But you know, you think Mike Tomlin and the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
And people hope you asked me this question.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
You think they're looking at him and saying, oh, wait
a minute, he's really good and we're dumb.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
I'm glad you asked.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
That is one of the worst offensive teams in the
last six seven years. So do I believe my tom
is a heck of a coaches for him? Do I
believe Mike Toma moved off? Do I believe Mike Tomlin
can make up most Do I believe he can make
bad choice?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Russell Wilson came in for the next five or six games,
What kind of offense did they have?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
It was much was dynamic?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Do you want the last five games? No, I want
to talk that's in the last five games. But why
straight losses? But he played bad? Was it dynamos? Was
it dynamic? Though not better? It was dynamic.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Dynamic is way too far.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
You talk is a way it was better, Rob, Dynamic
is extreme.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
No, it was dynamic. He could throw the ball down.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Feel No, watch this, watch this, Rob g We talked
about the Rams and they had a little bad patch
offense when the Steelers. When the Steelers had five straight
games when they weren't scoring and doing bad, Pats had
like four games without a touchdown and the Steelers lost.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
He had twenty.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Touchdowns and eight picks. Russell Willimony loss downs in seventeen games.
He Matthew Stafford at twenty touchdown in set multiple He
didn't even average one touchdown a game.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Russell Wilson mad just straight games, five straight. And all
I was saying was, let's just see what Justin fields
can be. I'm not even saying he's over. Let's just
see you can you can have Aaron Rodgers. I already
know what that is.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
You can hang on this justin Fields. For him to
sign a two year, thirty million dollar deal tells you
what they think. And I'm not the quarterback of their
future that yours.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Let's go see And this is on him to show
them what he can do. It's literally on him. He
has no excuse. You got some weapons, you got an opportunity.
It's on you.
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