March 11, 2025 • 34 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether this latest Achilles injury should be enough to force Tiger Woods into retirement and tell us if the San Francisco 49ers will come to regret building their roster around Brock Purdy. Plus, The Athletic national NFL writer Mike Jones swings by to discuss Daniel Jones’ arrival in Indy, his expectations for Sam Darnold in Seattle, why the Raiders felt compelled to trade for Geno Smith, what’s going on with the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback situation and much more!
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Speaker 3 (00:41):
Tiger Woods is injured is not a headline anymore. Rocket.
It seems to happen all the time. It's so bad,
Yo PTI. You know the last run and they shoot
off stuff. Is that Tiger would tangered?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Like you would think that would be like the Hey Tiger,
can I rub it for you?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Okay, it's Tiger.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Any excuse to bring that drop in? Yes, but yes.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Today, unfortunately, Tiger Woods announced that he underwent surgery after
rupturing his left achilles.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Today.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
He did not know, he did not he was wrapping
up for the upcoming Masters coming taking place in April.
There has been no official timeline given for his recovery,
but medical doctors sports injury enthusiasts say hey generally four
to six months. Given his injury history, though, and his
propensity to keep getting injured, more than likely six to
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nine months for Tiger Woods to be back playing competitive golf,
which he has not played in months to begin with.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I got a message. This is a public service announcement
to Tiger Woods and to all golfers and just people
in general.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Tiger Woods retire enough already. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I mean, come on, the last time Tiger Woods was
good and playing golf out of his mind, sports writers
were using typewriters.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Stop it. It's been a long time.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You got kids in college now who don't remember the
great Tiger. I was on my I was married, I
was on my honeymoon when he was winning the Masters
for the first time. He cost me my marriage. Tiger Woods,
I can't even say. It's a shell of himself. He's
a broken shell of himself. It's disheartening to hear the
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news over and over and over Tigers banged up, Tigers
heard Tiger's injured.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I'm dead serious.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You're not gonna catch the record for the most Masters right,
I mean most majors. That's dub it ain't happening. You
can sit here and try to pretend, Yeah, I took
out a chance. I just need to win. I don't
know how many is it four more to pass Jack?
I just need four. No, b it ain't happening, And
why continue to do this.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It's not about money. He's got all that.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
He's one of the greatest golfers who ever played. Most
people probably would make him number one when it's all
said and done that the start to his career was
as great as any career for anybody, any sport, anybody.
He's Tiger You don't even have to use Woods enough.
But I'm serious, like, why why ever? Since the injuries
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and the beating that he took from his ex wife
with the golf club and all that, it has all
been downhill and Tiger Woods, to me is now a
disappointment because it's always bad news. It's a wowsy wowsy
o every time we mentioned Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Wow play. The only thing I would say different than
that is the twenty nineteen Masters, obviously, so I think
there that was a shining moment that brought him back.
Everybody was excited. People who hated him were excited. People
who loved them were probably saying, see, I told you
he can still get it done. And I think that
revitalized him for a little bit. The couple of issues though,
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six back surgeries. Man, the man has had six back surgeries.
This believe, now you got this ruptured achilles. Obviously, we
know he talks about himself publicly that walking for four
days is really his biggest trouble, biggest issue. He had
the car crash few years ago, so it's just been
a rough go for him. But I think if there's
something robbed that's keeping him in the game, it is
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him seeing Lebron and Brownie have that moment. And I
really mean this. I think if you see Tiger Woods,
all the troubles he's been through for shedding towards almost
twenty years now, right, the personal life issues, the physical issue,
use the losing that have to withdraw from master tournaments.
He hasn't finished in the top twenty since that Master's
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winning twenty nineteen. Just think about what you just said.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
He hasn't finished in the top twenty since twenty Since
twenty nineteen, we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Six years and he's had to withdraw from several tournaments.
But here's the thing. When do we see him as
happiest when he's anything involving Charlie. He is out there thrilled.
Charlie is obviously playing now, playing very well, and I
mean he is having the as any father, the joy
to see his son produced shore. He could be Charlie's
a caddy. Yeah fine, but you know what, I think
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he wants to see if he can have one last moment.
I don't even got to win the tournament. You know,
in this case, he will be the le BRONI in
this Lebron James Bron situation. And I think he will
try to ask. I absolutely believe he wple try to
because he only has to do it waiting years. What's
he trying to do to play in a tournament with
his son, an actual PGA tournament? And if you want
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to tell me that at Augusta, you and to tell
me that they're going to rigged it so that they
play together or put them together. So if you're golf, heck,
yeah what you mean? This is a business.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You make the cut, so is Charlie. And we're gonna
find a way to make this cut. I'm just trying
to say they're not going to do that and compromise
and just put him in.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
To put him in. Tiger, Tiger make the cut. He'll
make eight cut. Now, whether it be the Masters or something,
I don't know, we'll have to see. That will be
the ideal situation, right My last tournament is the Masters.
With my son Charlie sixteen. You have to be eighteen,
so a couple more years for him. That will give Tiger,
obviously some time to get any better back from the injury.
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And I truly believe he will try to go out
because next year Tiger will be fifty and he can
get in the senior circuit. But I think he's gonna
try to stay in the normal PGA, wait a couple
of years and have his Lebron Bronni where he will
be Bronni Ken Griffrey Ken Griffy Sr. And Tiger now
in Charlie moment, I truly belie believe it, because what
else to be to your point, what else is there?
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He's the arguably the greatest, most people believe he is
of not one A, one B. He has all the
money in the World's thing is one A one B,
but go ahead, one A one t as in Tiger
and all of a sudden, that's the thing that's keeping
him going and I think he wants to. That's my
belief is that he's gonna want to have that moment
with his son, Charlie. Whether he loses the winner, he
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doesn't care at that point. I had this moment with
my son. How amazing was that. I truly believe it.
I just don't think he can play. And that's the
other thing. He only needs a mustle up one more time,
rob one moment.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So you're talking about two years from now, like he
can't even get on the court on the.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Course now.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Luther Vandross, he would have a photo op. Go there
and stand next to him on the course. That could
take your picture and there you are watching your son.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
No, what's the difference. What do you mean with the
difference is I was in an official tournament with my
son and we played together and we had our Luther
Van draws one shining moment, he moment.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I think that again, always trying to dress up stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
The kid is supposed to be the star, not the dad.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
The same way that the lebron thing didn't work, if
Charlie's a start his own, right, then that's different. If
Charlie's not. And this is just about Tiger because you
remember Ken Griffy Junior was a star. I'm not King
Griffy at that point. It will be Charlie, Okay, it
would have to be because it can't.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Be Tiger Star. You've seen a shooting start and burn out.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
All the news I hear is bad when it comes
to Tiger, and I just think, man, just just give
it a rest.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Don't go out like this. Don't make people have these
kids feeling like this is the guy. He's the guy
you're talking about. You're in college.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You got kids in college now who have only seen
Tiger Woods banged up, injured, crashing or playing bad golf
or not making cuts.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You gotta remember when I was when I'm you know,
I didn't when I when I didn't seal a deal
after my wedding in Tokyo watching Tiger and the Masters.
At least that was nineteen ninety seven. Nineteen ninety seven,
my hair was all black, all.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Anything about anything about your hair, Tiger Woods, we need
to just understand how you didn't seal the deal because
I was watching the golf. We were both we were
both Georgia nine iron. You say, sorry, twelve byres, how
about my nine wood? You're supposed to be using your
clubs and you over here worried about Tiger. We were
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watching it. I'm not lying, No, you were. She was
watching you like I can't believe. I mean, I hadn't
bought this little line way for him. We over here
in my she was there, you over here looking ridiculous
with a red with a red polo on, like you
were Tiger Wood. And I'm like, can you move out
the way? Uh? I can't believe she go over herez
And You're like, Babe, you're right in front of the TV.
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You ain't made a glass. Can't believe you? Rob? All right, Yes,
thanks Tiger.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
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Speaker 3 (10:19):
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Now We're Jones joined by Mike Jones. Mike Jones, Mike Jones,
the athletic National NFL writer, Mike Jones is our guest
here in the ode couple, Mike Jones. What's up? Brother?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Hey, how you guys doing tonight?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Man can't keep up whiplash with all these moves happening
in the NFL. I'm gonna start right here. I can't.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Daniel Jones to the Colts, You're not thrilled. I'm not
thrilled about it.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
What is that? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I thought Daniel Jones Jones has proven that he can't play.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Am I missing something?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
But you know this is a copycat league, and so
last year when they saw Sam Darnold resurrect his career,
you know, in a new place. Now everybody's gonna look
and try to do the same thing. So we're gonna
see Indianapolis putt Daniel Jones out there compete with Anthony Richardson,
maybe this full light of fire and Anthony Richardson and
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get him to prepare and execute the way they want.
Or maybe Daniel Jones in a new place, different situation,
can try to salvage his career. I'm not sold, but
I guess it makes a little bit of sense.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, I'm with you. I am not I'm not sold either.
I mean, everybody can't have the geno Smith Baker Mayfield.
As you mentioned Simon Donalds.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I think right now, Mike I would take Barnaby Jones
over Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I'm just saying, yeah, I'm taking Indiana Jones over somebody.
All right. Let me ask you. You mentioned sam Donold
Rob and I were talking about this, but now we
have JJ. He's gone in Minnesota. Now JJ McCarthy's there.
What do you make of them sticking with the guy
who's not throwing a single pass in the NFL yet,
but saying, hey, you're our guy instead of the guy
who had a, you know, a really good season last year.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Well, I think that they feel good about what they
have around him. They've also invested in their offensive line
even further.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
And I you know, he was probably going to start
for them.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Last year before he got hurt in the preseason, So
they feel good at his understanding of the offense and
what they need to do.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Also, they've got the best wide.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Receiver in the game and one of the best ever
in Justin Jefferson. Talented tight end, good running game, very
good defense. They've got all the pieces around this young guy.
So they feel like, hey, we just can roll with
this guy. He understands he's sat on, you know, in
all the meetings, and mentally he understands everything. So it's
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just a matter of getting it all to catch up physically.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
And they feel good about where he was and that
he's going to.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Pick up very well when he gets back out there.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Mike, I got to tell you the Sam Darnold, the
Vikings not being out on him, and apparently other teams
where he's going to Seattle they got rid of their
two best receivers and the best offensive lineman. He's going
there in a place that looks like they're trying to
tank or something. But I will say this, those last
two games made people afraid of Sam Donald. I believe
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in that he turned into a pumpkin when the stage
got big. Do you think that that had a lot
to do with people not really buying into a guy
who had thirty five touchdowns in what almost four thousand yards?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Yeah, Well obviously, look, when you get to the playoffs,
a lot of the first time people except for Jade
and Daniels, really struggled in their first playoff appearance last
last last off season, last postseason. So it wasn't a
surprise to see him struggle a little bit. But I
think yes, the drastics struggles that we saw did probably
give people some pause. And I think that's when you know,
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Minnesota felt like, Okay, hey, we can roll with another guy.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
We've got good things around him.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
We need better, and so they're willing to roll that dice.
You know, we'll see what happens. Seattle. I don't understand
what they're doing. If you were going to get Sam Darnald,
you have to look at what he was working with
right last year.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
And despite no sense, Mike none.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Not only did you go get this guy who was
throwing to one of the best receivers in the game
and had all the support, now you stripped down the team.
So he does not have any of the proven wide
receivers and he doesn't have a good offensive line. The
Seahawks offensive line gave up the third highest number of
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sacks last year. And now you're expecting Sam Donald to
be able to work some magic without any support. Doesn't
make any sense at all. Yes, he has familiarity with
Clint Kubiak from when they were in seat I mean
San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Kubiak ain't out there at though.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Kubiak is their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
No, but I'm out on the field right.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
He's got familiarity with the system, but if he doesn't
have the support and the weapons to go to, we're
not going to be getting what you got out of
him last year.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Mike Jones, our guests the Athletic at National NFL writer
with the acable Robin Kevin on a trash talk on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
How about the Geno Smith to the Raiders? Another one?
I get it, Pete Carroll, that was his quarterback in
Seattle when he got run out of town and the
same exact thing. But is Gino stop gap? Gino was
bad last year and I get it the offensive line
that you brought up, but he had twenty one touchdowns
and fifteen picks.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
It was ugly.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Yeah, we saw him kind of regrets from what we
had seen from him, you know, the three previous seasons there.
I think though, when you are you know, you're looking
at all the quarterbacks that are out there. This was
not a good quarterback free agency. It's not a deep
quarterback draft class, and so Pete Carroll felt like, look,
I've got to get a veteran first and we'll see
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what happens with the draft. But he went with the
veteran that he trust. It was very telling that Russell
Wilson is a free agent and they went he went
and traded for Gino Smith instead of getting another veteran
quarterback that he had familiarity with.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
And so he trust him and we're gonna see what
happens again.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
He's got a decent offensive line. They've got some young
talent on that offensive line. They had, you know, two
of their first three draft picks were starters on the
offensive line. You got Brock Bauers, who was a star
of a rookie tight end. Jacoby Myers had a thousand
receiving yards catching passes from two really bad quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
So we'll see.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
It's not going to be you know, they're not going
to challenge the Chiefs or even you know, Denver or
Sandy or you know, the Chargers for the division. But
he'll be a decent bridge at the very least.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You know, I want to ask you about the Steelers,
what the heck are they do? And they they Russell
Wilson to him. They let Justin Fields go. A lot
of you know, there was a lot of people who
thought maybe he'd stick around Aaron Rodgers. Is he having
conversations with him? Like what are the Steelers doing and
whatever they end up doing if it is Aaron Rodgers
or Russell Wilson, which we don't expect it to be.
But will they have went backwards? Would they have regressed?
Speaker 6 (17:11):
I do believe that they are regressing. I thought that
a move to make was to let Wilson go and
keep Justin Field showed flashes and then another year of
familiarity and tweak that offense to really tailor it to
him and his strength, and you have a talented prospect
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for the long term. It's not a one year roll
of the dice on it has been I mean Russell,
I mean Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers. You knew what
you had with Russell Wilson and it was lacking. Aaron
Rodgers showed us last year with the Jets that he.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Is not what he was anymore. So I don't understand
why they.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Would pursue this once again. Well, they're trying to hope
that he can turn back the clock and they have,
you know, two talented wide receivers for him. But I
just think and I talked to a number of talent
evaluators who said me that they felt like there was
not really a good fit for Aaron Rodgers. That made sense,
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and so I don't understand the stung.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, can it be that Mike Tomlin hasn't won a
playoff game?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Is it nine years now, eight or not?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I mean, at some point doesn't he need to win
a playoff game? And I think that that's why he's
not that apt to break somebody in or get a
quarterback to try to you know, That's why they went
and got Russell Wilson and put him in, and they
would be more apt to have Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
As bad as he was with the Jets, he had.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
The same exact stats as Patrick Mahomes, I mean the
same stats. Patrick Mahomes fifteen and two and Aaron Rodgers
was five and twelve.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Yeah, but Patrick Mahomes had game winning drives and Aaron
Rodgers was.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I'm just giving you stats though they weren't off talking about.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
The stats wore.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
We're talking about, Hey, this guy can keep us in games.
Aaron Rodgers' ability to keep a team in game is
no longer anymore. He needs a lot of help around
him now, and so I don't think that this makes
the Steelers. I mean, look, so Aaron Rodgers is your
quarterback and old, a forty two year old Aaron Rodgers
make you better than Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
No, but but also justin field, what he's been. We
was with the Bears for years. Last year, look at
the numbers. He can't throw the football. They were like
thirtieth when it comes to passing the football. We know
the other stuff. You're not a dual threat if you
can't throw. I mean, you're right. I mean they're watching
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him in practice every day. They have every reason to
want him to succeed, right, every reason. He's young, he's athletic,
he can run with the football.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
They can't.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Everybody can't be wrong. The Bears immediately moved on from him, Right,
they had a chance.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
That but look wait wait wait, wait wait wait, you
can't bake.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Look at the Bears.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Though they had Matt Uberflus, he had Luke Getzi, who's
the worst offensive courter.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
No, but my point is that if they really believed
there was something there, they could have moved down in
the draft and gotten other players to help the team.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
If they really believed in him. The Steelers, he was
four and two.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
He got off to a good start, right ten touchdowns,
one interception, that still wasn't good enough for them because
they looked at the passing part of the game. As
soon as Russell Wilson came in, they went on a
five game winning streak and they were throwing the.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Ball all over the field. That's all I'm saying, Mike.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
What I'm trying to say that there's a reason and
then the only place that Justin Fields can go is
to the Jets for forty million dollars, and it looks
like they're setting up that team to be in the
quarterback Sweet States as well next year.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Like, is that the future the Jets?
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I mean, I don't know if I mean for for
alsover Justin Field. The constant change is something that's donned
his development. I just feel like another year in the
same system could have led to more growth for him
and maybe a better payoff for the Steelers than Aaron Rodgers,
who really is done.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah. I felt the same way. Rob knows that we've
talked about that all throughout the season, and just cater
your offense around him like other teams have done with
those types of quarterback. But what's the point of going backwards?
It's not it's not even that he's going to be lamar.
It is that you want to see what you got
foreign to the turn.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
But everybody keeps moving off from him, is what I'm
talking It ain't one guy, it ain't one coach of
one GM that they keep moving off of them, and
they keep watch him every day, Mike. In practice, it
doesn't make sense. And why unless they don't believe that
he's that guy?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Right, Mike is exhausted. I don't think he has anymore. Mike, Mike,
we appreciate.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
You what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I hear what you, Mike.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Don't worry about We argue about this all the time.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Knows what I'm talking about, Like there's too many people
watching him for too long.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I get a point. But also, big teams can be wrong,
and I think the Steelers have been wrong on quarterback
for a decade. Now, Okay, all right, Mike, thank you
so much, appreciate you.
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Speaker 3 (22:19):
You mentioned the Niners.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
There is a roster purge going on right now in
San Francisco. Just to give you an idea as to
what's going on right now in San Francisco, the Niners
have now lost eleven starters and ten backups from their
Super Bowl team of two years ago, including All Pro
cornerback of Varius Ward, All Pro safety tell Nooah, Hufanga,
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Pro Bowl caliber linebacker Dre Greenlaw, Pro Bowl fullback Kyle
used Check, Pro Bowl defensive tackle Javon Hargrave, and they're
trading away All Pro wide receiver Deebo Samuel. All of
this because, according to reports coming out of the Bay,
are rearranging both their offensive schematic structure and their overall
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roster to reflect the shift to Brock Purty as the
centerpiece of the team.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And the forty nine ers continue for me to believe
that they don't know what they're doing. Can you give
me the other quarterback who they traded up to get?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
No, Trey Lance?
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Trey Lance? Is he still with the team. I'm just
curious he did trade vanished? Didn't? Trey Vanish is more
like it?
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Very good?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But do you remember that move for Trey Lance. How
long did that work out? Let's give the guy like
three starts, rob g did he get five starts in
the NFL?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Or three? Like he got hurt? But he got like
three stars? Yep.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And now brock Purty, who we got to watch last
year without all the bells and whistles, struggle, He struggled.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Did you look like the same quarterback to you with
out all his weapons? I'm about to get to a
point of that. Yeah, I don't understand this.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I really don't like Brock Party with the right pieces
around him, can be a really good quarterback, and we've
seen that. But the great ones are the really good ones,
are the ones who still can get it done when
you don't have everybody where. It doesn't have to be perfect.
Gotta have a running game, gotta have this, gotta have
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a wide receive.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Mar and Josh prove that Patrick Mahomes two. But those
two particular where lastly, not twenty twenty four, but twenty
twenty three, Lamar lost all his running backs. That's what
I'm saying, the entire fleet of running backs and still
got steal balled out and got to the.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
AFC Championship game was an MVP and this is what
I'm talking about. And I just the eye test for me,
and I get what he did. And the forty nine
ers went to two Super Bowls of late right, and
now here they are dismantling the team because they gotta
pay Brock party, mister irrelevant and all this stuff. I
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don't know how to expect to win. I really don't.
I'm shocked by this. I think this is a mistake
and this is the beginning of the end for the
forty nine ers, and this window and this run they
had because they had a team, they.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Had a squad.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You could put almost any quarterback in there, and they
could have won, right, And if it wasn't for some
bad coaching, they might have one.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
They might have one.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
They choked down two fourth quarter leads in two Super Bowls, right.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah, yep, ten yeah, the Chiefs. So what they're doing
to me is a hard reset and they're setting everything
up based around Brock, which if your Brock, you have
to be thrilled in that. Yeah, we're losing some pieces
here on both sides of the Ballus Deebo Samuel obviously
gone as well, but one of the things you have
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to love is that they're acknowledging we are not to
get all super inside football, but they're changing the system.
They want to go more spread offense. They want to
go deeper down the field than they have been historically.
They want to get back to that, and they want
to get back to I think rob what they're saying
twenty twenty three was the best version of Brock where
he was one of the tops in pretty much all
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all the back passing categories. You know, nine point six
yards in a tempt, his QBR was seventy two point
eighty was fourth, and completions percentage of sixty nine point four.
That MVP candidate. That's the Brock Party, they believe is
that's the Brock we can have when we're healthy, when
we have the right guys around him. They've kept enough
pieces around him. Christian mccaffrees, he's healthy. They still got
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kittled height to said, they still got Ayu, they still
got enough pieces around they still got some offensive line
studs there for another year or two. They've kept enough
around him where they can say, all right, let's go
out and do what they have done well outside of
the Trey lance. But they've drafted some really good players,
so let's go out there find some players. They got
a bunch of cap money now and over the next year,
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this year, upcoming year, twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six,
will find some players. And I think they believe with
Brock being so young, and I think it's what twenty five.
I think they believe they can make a run steal
and have you know, another five six year run. And
the crazy thing is the money they're talking about. They
reports are it was around forty five million a year,
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and then they had to go back to the negotiate
table because apparently the reports are saying some people thought
the Brox team thought that was disrespectful. So it could
get up to around fifty five, which again is some
big time money. But that just says that they're ready
to lock in. This is our guy. Let's move forward
for the next five seven years. And they believe their
window will be open once they make some changes. And
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I give them credit for making changes and kind of
pressing the reset instead of keep trying, keep trying, keep trying,
And maybe you're not getting the best of Brock because
you haven't adjusted, you haven't moved on and you haven't
tried something differently. They're saying, let's reset, keep some pieces.
We've got the main stays. We got Kiddled, we got McCaffrey,
we got au, we got some again offensive line play,
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we got some defensive players. We hung out with one
of the defensive players. You think this is the same team. No,
I'm saying they got the stars, steal a line that
they can plug and play, and I think they believe
their system. To your point, we got Jimmy g there,
we got Brock there, and I think they believe in
their system and the way in which they're running the organization.
That few pieces here. Lock game with Brock, give them
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the big back, and we'll be right back at it
in the year. Yeah, I totally disagree.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I think that this is a situation where Brock didn't
make you feel the same way after last year. If
this was the year before when he was up for
like the MVP going into the last that Christmas Day
game and Lamar balled out and basically won the MVP, there,
maybe I feel differently. But watching him last year, he
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was more pedestrian, more ordinary to me.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
More.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I'm not saying mister irrelevant, but the middle of the
pack quarterback.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Let me throw it was this chuch sounds rob g
and it was twenty I think he had twenty twenty touchdowns,
twelve interceptions.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, I mean that's not impressible. Matthew Stafford at twenty
and a he had twenty and twelve.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, twenty and twelve didn't look his best. He lost
a lot of obviously, the whole lineup was in and out,
and he lost christ McCaffer and he's definitely not quite
the same without Christian.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Mcca We talk about that like like that, that's what
makes you an elite quarterback and not everybody can do it.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
And I guess that you led me to where I
was gonna go. Now, maybe they don't view him as
he has to be those top five. He doesn't have
to be Patrick Lamar, Josh you know, if you want
to say Jalen and Joe Burrow, like right, if you're
putting him right up in there, maybe he doesn't have
to be that. But when we do our job and
we provide him the offensive guys we need, we're changing
up the schematics. Kyle Shanahan is supposed to be a
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you know, offensive genius and We've still got some solid
defensive players that they feel we'll be right back at
this thing. He doesn't have to be that guy. Where
do you place him with Jared Goff? Better, worse, equal
on par Jared Goff is better than him. Okay, Jared Goff,
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you know, had a potential. Not this season, obviously they
lost earlier, but last season to get there, Brock Purty
out played him. I think he's I think that if
he's done enough for them to say he's a top quarterback,
not the top five. Nobody thinks that. They're not crazy,
but he's one of the better quarterbacks that when he
has the pieces, knows our system. We're gonna revamp the
system some we'll be fine because again everybody can't have
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Patrick Mahomes, rob or Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. You
know what I mean. There's there was a literally special guy.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I gotta be I gotta be honest going forward. Rock
Perty is not winning a super Bowl, especially with a
cut rate forty nine ers team.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
That's that's sat they believe that. I think they're just
starting over. Like I don't think they think they're gonna
be cut rate like Seattle or it's like, well, what
the heck are they doing?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Okay, so so so in the NFC where it is
now or whatnot? With the Bears getting better with the Yeah,
I'm giving you all the teams that the Vikings are
still there.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
You got to give me some more definitive if you've
got to give me some why the forty nine ers
didn't make the playoffs last year. While what I'm saying,
because the teams are computer that you're saying we didn't
go to like the Eagles. Okay, that's obvious. Those two
teams are obvious to me. I'm trying to go out.
I'm trying to tell you, well that that team's not
making the playoffs next year. So I'm trying to tell
you about the other team.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I'm telling you theon the Chicago Bears. So let's double
up the Wings. So I already got the Wings, that
we got the whip. Bet the Lions aren't making the playoffs.
It's so simple.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I got that.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
I got a question for you because obviously there's a
talent exodus going on right now. The problem, though, is
you're suggesting that they're having a stripped down roster. They
still have at least four or five all program. That's
what I was named after.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
That that I get that, but still there are a
lot of players.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
They had a really good team that they that got
to the super Bowl, yes twice, but did not win.
And all I'm saying is, I don't believe that brock
is good enough with not this, with not all your
pieces on the team that you have put together. So
I gotta wait and see. I saw him last year.
I saw the cut rate. I saw him without without
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those a lot of those pieces. And I get injuries,
that's a part of the game and all that, but
I'm not convinced that he's that guy.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
That's my bed test, that he's somewhere in the middle
of twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. Twenty twenty
three is first and everything passer rating please of percentage QBR.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
He might be in the middle then, but and this
is where I think we're not giving the credit. The
credit to me. I agree with that. I don't think
he's necessarily like I said, he's not top five six
to seven guy. But John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan that
how they're running this right now, getting right players around him,
and Kyle you know, dialing up that offense. We've got
a really good version of him.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I got the forty nine is not making the playoffs
again too, and the Bears winning the NFC norm Yeah,
well I'm not Nick, right, I don't have winning the
super Bowl last year, winning the division. That's what Nick
had them winning the super Bowl. Rob g had who'd
you have the Jets and who in there you go?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
So there we go.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
That's probably even worse than his Bears one, because both
of my teams were.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I was close Chiefs Bears, Lions Chiefs. I had Baltimore
and Eagles.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Rob's consistent. He's piged Baltimore, like just gonna ride it
out Baseball. I picked the Padrects for like four years ago.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
That's right, Like you ride it out, I'm gonna ride
it out because eventually it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Just like I told you all these years that the
Lions weren't gonna make it to the super Bowl. I
stuck with it. You were nervous. I was lucky I
wasn't here that year they blew it in the NFC Championship.
He was a nervous wreck. I was that first half.
He was the first half. First he was on spirit.
Right now, I'm a champagne member. Go can I can?
I book a ticket to get get out of the country. Hey, Rob,
how good are the Dodgers gonna do this year? Ooh
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good one. They're not making they're not winning the World Series.
Steve Seger is laughing in your face right now.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You know how Harden is to repeat. Steve knows, he's a
baseball guy. It's very tough to repeat in baseball. We
haven't had a team repeat in twenty five years. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Overdue. Better Yankee is are Dodgers? What's that? Better Yankees
are Dodgers. The Dodgers are better on paper? Better season?
Say who will happen? Yeah, I mean they just lost
their age. That's a good point. Well he's still They
lost him in the fifth inning.
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Rob g jump in and get us started. Set the
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Speaker 3 (00:41):
Tiger Woods is injured is not a headline anymore. Rocket.
It seems to happen all the time. It's so bad,
Yo PTI. You know the last run and they shoot
off stuff. Is that Tiger would tangered?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Like you would think that would be like the Hey Tiger,
can I rub it for you?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Okay, it's Tiger.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Any excuse to bring that drop in? Yes, but yes.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Today, unfortunately, Tiger Woods announced that he underwent surgery after
rupturing his left achilles.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Today.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
He did not know, he did not he was wrapping
up for the upcoming Masters coming taking place in April.
There has been no official timeline given for his recovery,
but medical doctors sports injury enthusiasts say hey generally four
to six months. Given his injury history, though, and his
propensity to keep getting injured, more than likely six to
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nine months for Tiger Woods to be back playing competitive golf,
which he has not played in months to begin with.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I got a message. This is a public service announcement
to Tiger Woods and to all golfers and just people
in general.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Tiger Woods retire enough already. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I mean, come on, the last time Tiger Woods was
good and playing golf out of his mind, sports writers
were using typewriters.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Stop it. It's been a long time.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You got kids in college now who don't remember the
great Tiger. I was on my I was married, I
was on my honeymoon when he was winning the Masters
for the first time. He cost me my marriage. Tiger Woods,
I can't even say. It's a shell of himself. He's
a broken shell of himself. It's disheartening to hear the
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news over and over and over Tigers banged up, Tigers
heard Tiger's injured.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I'm dead serious.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You're not gonna catch the record for the most Masters right,
I mean most majors. That's dub it ain't happening. You
can sit here and try to pretend, Yeah, I took
out a chance. I just need to win. I don't
know how many is it four more to pass Jack?
I just need four. No, b it ain't happening, And
why continue to do this.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It's not about money. He's got all that.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
He's one of the greatest golfers who ever played. Most
people probably would make him number one when it's all
said and done that the start to his career was
as great as any career for anybody, any sport, anybody.
He's Tiger You don't even have to use Woods enough.
But I'm serious, like, why why ever? Since the injuries
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and the beating that he took from his ex wife
with the golf club and all that, it has all
been downhill and Tiger Woods, to me is now a
disappointment because it's always bad news. It's a wowsy wowsy
o every time we mentioned Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Wow play. The only thing I would say different than
that is the twenty nineteen Masters, obviously, so I think
there that was a shining moment that brought him back.
Everybody was excited. People who hated him were excited. People
who loved them were probably saying, see, I told you
he can still get it done. And I think that
revitalized him for a little bit. The couple of issues though,
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six back surgeries. Man, the man has had six back surgeries.
This believe, now you got this ruptured achilles. Obviously, we
know he talks about himself publicly that walking for four
days is really his biggest trouble, biggest issue. He had
the car crash few years ago, so it's just been
a rough go for him. But I think if there's
something robbed that's keeping him in the game, it is
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him seeing Lebron and Brownie have that moment. And I
really mean this. I think if you see Tiger Woods,
all the troubles he's been through for shedding towards almost
twenty years now, right, the personal life issues, the physical issue,
use the losing that have to withdraw from master tournaments.
He hasn't finished in the top twenty since that Master's
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winning twenty nineteen. Just think about what you just said.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
He hasn't finished in the top twenty since twenty Since
twenty nineteen, we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Six years and he's had to withdraw from several tournaments.
But here's the thing. When do we see him as
happiest when he's anything involving Charlie. He is out there thrilled.
Charlie is obviously playing now, playing very well, and I
mean he is having the as any father, the joy
to see his son produced shore. He could be Charlie's
a caddy. Yeah fine, but you know what, I think
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he wants to see if he can have one last moment.
I don't even got to win the tournament. You know,
in this case, he will be the le BRONI in
this Lebron James Bron situation. And I think he will
try to ask. I absolutely believe he wple try to
because he only has to do it waiting years. What's
he trying to do to play in a tournament with
his son, an actual PGA tournament? And if you want
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to tell me that at Augusta, you and to tell
me that they're going to rigged it so that they
play together or put them together. So if you're golf, heck,
yeah what you mean? This is a business.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You make the cut, so is Charlie. And we're gonna
find a way to make this cut. I'm just trying
to say they're not going to do that and compromise
and just put him in.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
To put him in. Tiger, Tiger make the cut. He'll
make eight cut. Now, whether it be the Masters or something,
I don't know, we'll have to see. That will be
the ideal situation, right My last tournament is the Masters.
With my son Charlie sixteen. You have to be eighteen,
so a couple more years for him. That will give Tiger,
obviously some time to get any better back from the injury.
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And I truly believe he will try to go out
because next year Tiger will be fifty and he can
get in the senior circuit. But I think he's gonna
try to stay in the normal PGA, wait a couple
of years and have his Lebron Bronni where he will
be Bronni Ken Griffrey Ken Griffy Sr. And Tiger now
in Charlie moment, I truly belie believe it, because what
else to be to your point, what else is there?
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He's the arguably the greatest, most people believe he is
of not one A, one B. He has all the
money in the World's thing is one A one B,
but go ahead, one A one t as in Tiger
and all of a sudden, that's the thing that's keeping
him going and I think he wants to. That's my
belief is that he's gonna want to have that moment
with his son, Charlie. Whether he loses the winner, he
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doesn't care at that point. I had this moment with
my son. How amazing was that. I truly believe it.
I just don't think he can play. And that's the
other thing. He only needs a mustle up one more time,
rob one moment.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So you're talking about two years from now, like he
can't even get on the court on the.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Course now.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Luther Vandross, he would have a photo op. Go there
and stand next to him on the course. That could
take your picture and there you are watching your son.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
No, what's the difference. What do you mean with the
difference is I was in an official tournament with my
son and we played together and we had our Luther
Van draws one shining moment, he moment.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I think that again, always trying to dress up stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
The kid is supposed to be the star, not the dad.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
The same way that the lebron thing didn't work, if
Charlie's a start his own, right, then that's different. If
Charlie's not. And this is just about Tiger because you
remember Ken Griffy Junior was a star. I'm not King
Griffy at that point. It will be Charlie, Okay, it
would have to be because it can't.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Be Tiger Star. You've seen a shooting start and burn out.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
All the news I hear is bad when it comes
to Tiger, and I just think, man, just just give
it a rest.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Don't go out like this. Don't make people have these
kids feeling like this is the guy. He's the guy
you're talking about. You're in college.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You got kids in college now who have only seen
Tiger Woods banged up, injured, crashing or playing bad golf
or not making cuts.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You gotta remember when I was when I'm you know,
I didn't when I when I didn't seal a deal
after my wedding in Tokyo watching Tiger and the Masters.
At least that was nineteen ninety seven. Nineteen ninety seven,
my hair was all black, all.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Anything about anything about your hair, Tiger Woods, we need
to just understand how you didn't seal the deal because
I was watching the golf. We were both we were
both Georgia nine iron. You say, sorry, twelve byres, how
about my nine wood? You're supposed to be using your
clubs and you over here worried about Tiger. We were
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watching it. I'm not lying, No, you were. She was
watching you like I can't believe. I mean, I hadn't
bought this little line way for him. We over here
in my she was there, you over here looking ridiculous
with a red with a red polo on, like you
were Tiger Wood. And I'm like, can you move out
the way? Uh? I can't believe she go over herez
And You're like, Babe, you're right in front of the TV.
(10:02):
You ain't made a glass. Can't believe you? Rob? All right, Yes,
thanks Tiger.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
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Speaker 3 (10:19):
Rob and Calvin on a trash Talking Tuesday and right
Now We're Jones joined by Mike Jones. Mike Jones, Mike Jones,
the athletic National NFL writer, Mike Jones is our guest
here in the ode couple, Mike Jones. What's up? Brother?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Hey, how you guys doing tonight?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Man can't keep up whiplash with all these moves happening
in the NFL. I'm gonna start right here. I can't.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Daniel Jones to the Colts, You're not thrilled. I'm not
thrilled about it.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
What is that? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I thought Daniel Jones Jones has proven that he can't play.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Am I missing something?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
But you know this is a copycat league, and so
last year when they saw Sam Darnold resurrect his career,
you know, in a new place. Now everybody's gonna look
and try to do the same thing. So we're gonna
see Indianapolis putt Daniel Jones out there compete with Anthony Richardson,
maybe this full light of fire and Anthony Richardson and
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get him to prepare and execute the way they want.
Or maybe Daniel Jones in a new place, different situation,
can try to salvage his career. I'm not sold, but
I guess it makes a little bit of sense.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, I'm with you. I am not I'm not sold either.
I mean, everybody can't have the geno Smith Baker Mayfield.
As you mentioned Simon Donalds.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I think right now, Mike I would take Barnaby Jones
over Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I'm just saying, yeah, I'm taking Indiana Jones over somebody.
All right. Let me ask you. You mentioned sam Donold
Rob and I were talking about this, but now we
have JJ. He's gone in Minnesota. Now JJ McCarthy's there.
What do you make of them sticking with the guy
who's not throwing a single pass in the NFL yet,
but saying, hey, you're our guy instead of the guy
who had a, you know, a really good season last year.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Well, I think that they feel good about what they
have around him. They've also invested in their offensive line
even further.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
And I you know, he was probably going to start
for them.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Last year before he got hurt in the preseason, So
they feel good at his understanding of the offense and
what they need to do.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Also, they've got the best wide.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Receiver in the game and one of the best ever
in Justin Jefferson. Talented tight end, good running game, very
good defense. They've got all the pieces around this young guy.
So they feel like, hey, we just can roll with
this guy. He understands he's sat on, you know, in
all the meetings, and mentally he understands everything. So it's
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just a matter of getting it all to catch up physically.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
And they feel good about where he was and that
he's going to.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Pick up very well when he gets back out there.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Mike, I got to tell you the Sam Darnold, the
Vikings not being out on him, and apparently other teams
where he's going to Seattle they got rid of their
two best receivers and the best offensive lineman. He's going
there in a place that looks like they're trying to
tank or something. But I will say this, those last
two games made people afraid of Sam Donald. I believe
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in that he turned into a pumpkin when the stage
got big. Do you think that that had a lot
to do with people not really buying into a guy
who had thirty five touchdowns in what almost four thousand yards?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Yeah, Well obviously, look, when you get to the playoffs,
a lot of the first time people except for Jade
and Daniels, really struggled in their first playoff appearance last
last last off season, last postseason. So it wasn't a
surprise to see him struggle a little bit. But I
think yes, the drastics struggles that we saw did probably
give people some pause. And I think that's when you know,
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Minnesota felt like, Okay, hey, we can roll with another guy.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
We've got good things around him.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
We need better, and so they're willing to roll that dice.
You know, we'll see what happens. Seattle. I don't understand
what they're doing. If you were going to get Sam Darnald,
you have to look at what he was working with
right last year.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
And despite no sense, Mike none.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Not only did you go get this guy who was
throwing to one of the best receivers in the game
and had all the support, now you stripped down the team.
So he does not have any of the proven wide
receivers and he doesn't have a good offensive line. The
Seahawks offensive line gave up the third highest number of
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sacks last year. And now you're expecting Sam Donald to
be able to work some magic without any support. Doesn't
make any sense at all. Yes, he has familiarity with
Clint Kubiak from when they were in seat I mean
San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Kubiak ain't out there at though.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Kubiak is their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
No, but I'm out on the field right.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
He's got familiarity with the system, but if he doesn't
have the support and the weapons to go to, we're
not going to be getting what you got out of
him last year.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Mike Jones, our guests the Athletic at National NFL writer
with the acable Robin Kevin on a trash talk on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
How about the Geno Smith to the Raiders? Another one?
I get it, Pete Carroll, that was his quarterback in
Seattle when he got run out of town and the
same exact thing. But is Gino stop gap? Gino was
bad last year and I get it the offensive line
that you brought up, but he had twenty one touchdowns
and fifteen picks.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
It was ugly.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Yeah, we saw him kind of regrets from what we
had seen from him, you know, the three previous seasons there.
I think though, when you are you know, you're looking
at all the quarterbacks that are out there. This was
not a good quarterback free agency. It's not a deep
quarterback draft class, and so Pete Carroll felt like, look,
I've got to get a veteran first and we'll see
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what happens with the draft. But he went with the
veteran that he trust. It was very telling that Russell
Wilson is a free agent and they went he went
and traded for Gino Smith instead of getting another veteran
quarterback that he had familiarity with.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
And so he trust him and we're gonna see what
happens again.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
He's got a decent offensive line. They've got some young
talent on that offensive line. They had, you know, two
of their first three draft picks were starters on the
offensive line. You got Brock Bauers, who was a star
of a rookie tight end. Jacoby Myers had a thousand
receiving yards catching passes from two really bad quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
So we'll see.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
It's not going to be you know, they're not going
to challenge the Chiefs or even you know, Denver or
Sandy or you know, the Chargers for the division. But
he'll be a decent bridge at the very least.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You know, I want to ask you about the Steelers,
what the heck are they do? And they they Russell
Wilson to him. They let Justin Fields go. A lot
of you know, there was a lot of people who
thought maybe he'd stick around Aaron Rodgers. Is he having
conversations with him? Like what are the Steelers doing and
whatever they end up doing if it is Aaron Rodgers
or Russell Wilson, which we don't expect it to be.
But will they have went backwards? Would they have regressed?
Speaker 6 (17:11):
I do believe that they are regressing. I thought that
a move to make was to let Wilson go and
keep Justin Field showed flashes and then another year of
familiarity and tweak that offense to really tailor it to
him and his strength, and you have a talented prospect
(17:33):
for the long term. It's not a one year roll
of the dice on it has been I mean Russell,
I mean Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers. You knew what
you had with Russell Wilson and it was lacking. Aaron
Rodgers showed us last year with the Jets that he.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Is not what he was anymore. So I don't understand
why they.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Would pursue this once again. Well, they're trying to hope
that he can turn back the clock and they have,
you know, two talented wide receivers for him. But I
just think and I talked to a number of talent
evaluators who said me that they felt like there was
not really a good fit for Aaron Rodgers. That made sense,
(18:15):
and so I don't understand the stung.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, can it be that Mike Tomlin hasn't won a
playoff game?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Is it nine years now, eight or not?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I mean, at some point doesn't he need to win
a playoff game? And I think that that's why he's
not that apt to break somebody in or get a
quarterback to try to you know, That's why they went
and got Russell Wilson and put him in, and they
would be more apt to have Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
As bad as he was with the Jets, he had.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
The same exact stats as Patrick Mahomes, I mean the
same stats. Patrick Mahomes fifteen and two and Aaron Rodgers
was five and twelve.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Yeah, but Patrick Mahomes had game winning drives and Aaron
Rodgers was.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I'm just giving you stats though they weren't off talking about.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
The stats wore.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
We're talking about, Hey, this guy can keep us in games.
Aaron Rodgers' ability to keep a team in game is
no longer anymore. He needs a lot of help around
him now, and so I don't think that this makes
the Steelers. I mean, look, so Aaron Rodgers is your
quarterback and old, a forty two year old Aaron Rodgers
make you better than Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
No, but but also justin field, what he's been. We
was with the Bears for years. Last year, look at
the numbers. He can't throw the football. They were like
thirtieth when it comes to passing the football. We know
the other stuff. You're not a dual threat if you
can't throw. I mean, you're right. I mean they're watching
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him in practice every day. They have every reason to
want him to succeed, right, every reason. He's young, he's athletic,
he can run with the football.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
They can't.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Everybody can't be wrong. The Bears immediately moved on from him, Right,
they had a chance.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
That but look wait wait wait, wait wait wait, you
can't bake.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Look at the Bears.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Though they had Matt Uberflus, he had Luke Getzi, who's
the worst offensive courter.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
No, but my point is that if they really believed
there was something there, they could have moved down in
the draft and gotten other players to help the team.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
If they really believed in him. The Steelers, he was
four and two.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
He got off to a good start, right ten touchdowns,
one interception, that still wasn't good enough for them because
they looked at the passing part of the game. As
soon as Russell Wilson came in, they went on a
five game winning streak and they were throwing the.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Ball all over the field. That's all I'm saying, Mike.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
What I'm trying to say that there's a reason and
then the only place that Justin Fields can go is
to the Jets for forty million dollars, and it looks
like they're setting up that team to be in the
quarterback Sweet States as well next year.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Like, is that the future the Jets?
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I mean, I don't know if I mean for for
alsover Justin Field. The constant change is something that's donned
his development. I just feel like another year in the
same system could have led to more growth for him
and maybe a better payoff for the Steelers than Aaron Rodgers,
who really is done.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah. I felt the same way. Rob knows that we've
talked about that all throughout the season, and just cater
your offense around him like other teams have done with
those types of quarterback. But what's the point of going backwards?
It's not it's not even that he's going to be lamar.
It is that you want to see what you got
foreign to the turn.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
But everybody keeps moving off from him, is what I'm
talking It ain't one guy, it ain't one coach of
one GM that they keep moving off of them, and
they keep watch him every day, Mike. In practice, it
doesn't make sense. And why unless they don't believe that
he's that guy?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Right, Mike is exhausted. I don't think he has anymore. Mike, Mike,
we appreciate.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
You what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I hear what you, Mike.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Don't worry about We argue about this all the time.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Knows what I'm talking about, Like there's too many people
watching him for too long.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I get a point. But also, big teams can be wrong,
and I think the Steelers have been wrong on quarterback
for a decade. Now, Okay, all right, Mike, thank you
so much, appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
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Speaker 3 (22:19):
You mentioned the Niners.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
There is a roster purge going on right now in
San Francisco. Just to give you an idea as to
what's going on right now in San Francisco, the Niners
have now lost eleven starters and ten backups from their
Super Bowl team of two years ago, including All Pro
cornerback of Varius Ward, All Pro safety tell Nooah, Hufanga,
(22:42):
Pro Bowl caliber linebacker Dre Greenlaw, Pro Bowl fullback Kyle
used Check, Pro Bowl defensive tackle Javon Hargrave, and they're
trading away All Pro wide receiver Deebo Samuel. All of
this because, according to reports coming out of the Bay,
are rearranging both their offensive schematic structure and their overall
(23:06):
roster to reflect the shift to Brock Purty as the
centerpiece of the team.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And the forty nine ers continue for me to believe
that they don't know what they're doing. Can you give
me the other quarterback who they traded up to get?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
No, Trey Lance?
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Trey Lance? Is he still with the team. I'm just
curious he did trade vanished? Didn't? Trey Vanish is more
like it?
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Very good?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But do you remember that move for Trey Lance. How
long did that work out? Let's give the guy like
three starts, rob g did he get five starts in
the NFL?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Or three? Like he got hurt? But he got like
three stars? Yep.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And now brock Purty, who we got to watch last
year without all the bells and whistles, struggle, He struggled.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Did you look like the same quarterback to you with
out all his weapons? I'm about to get to a
point of that. Yeah, I don't understand this.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I really don't like Brock Party with the right pieces
around him, can be a really good quarterback, and we've
seen that. But the great ones are the really good ones,
are the ones who still can get it done when
you don't have everybody where. It doesn't have to be perfect.
Gotta have a running game, gotta have this, gotta have
(24:25):
a wide receive.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Mar and Josh prove that Patrick Mahomes two. But those
two particular where lastly, not twenty twenty four, but twenty
twenty three, Lamar lost all his running backs. That's what
I'm saying, the entire fleet of running backs and still
got steal balled out and got to the.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
AFC Championship game was an MVP and this is what
I'm talking about. And I just the eye test for me,
and I get what he did. And the forty nine
ers went to two Super Bowls of late right, and
now here they are dismantling the team because they gotta
pay Brock party, mister irrelevant and all this stuff. I
(25:01):
don't know how to expect to win. I really don't.
I'm shocked by this. I think this is a mistake
and this is the beginning of the end for the
forty nine ers, and this window and this run they
had because they had a team, they.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Had a squad.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You could put almost any quarterback in there, and they
could have won, right, And if it wasn't for some
bad coaching, they might have one.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
They might have one.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
They choked down two fourth quarter leads in two Super Bowls, right.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah, yep, ten yeah, the Chiefs. So what they're doing
to me is a hard reset and they're setting everything
up based around Brock, which if your Brock, you have
to be thrilled in that. Yeah, we're losing some pieces
here on both sides of the Ballus Deebo Samuel obviously
gone as well, but one of the things you have
(25:55):
to love is that they're acknowledging we are not to
get all super inside football, but they're changing the system.
They want to go more spread offense. They want to
go deeper down the field than they have been historically.
They want to get back to that, and they want
to get back to I think rob what they're saying
twenty twenty three was the best version of Brock where
he was one of the tops in pretty much all
(26:15):
all the back passing categories. You know, nine point six
yards in a tempt, his QBR was seventy two point
eighty was fourth, and completions percentage of sixty nine point four.
That MVP candidate. That's the Brock Party, they believe is
that's the Brock we can have when we're healthy, when
we have the right guys around him. They've kept enough
pieces around him. Christian mccaffrees, he's healthy. They still got
(26:37):
kittled height to said, they still got Ayu, they still
got enough pieces around they still got some offensive line
studs there for another year or two. They've kept enough
around him where they can say, all right, let's go
out and do what they have done well outside of
the Trey lance. But they've drafted some really good players,
so let's go out there find some players. They got
a bunch of cap money now and over the next year,
(27:00):
this year, upcoming year, twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six,
will find some players. And I think they believe with
Brock being so young, and I think it's what twenty five.
I think they believe they can make a run steal
and have you know, another five six year run. And
the crazy thing is the money they're talking about. They
reports are it was around forty five million a year,
(27:20):
and then they had to go back to the negotiate
table because apparently the reports are saying some people thought
the Brox team thought that was disrespectful. So it could
get up to around fifty five, which again is some
big time money. But that just says that they're ready
to lock in. This is our guy. Let's move forward
for the next five seven years. And they believe their
window will be open once they make some changes. And
(27:41):
I give them credit for making changes and kind of
pressing the reset instead of keep trying, keep trying, keep trying,
And maybe you're not getting the best of Brock because
you haven't adjusted, you haven't moved on and you haven't
tried something differently. They're saying, let's reset, keep some pieces.
We've got the main stays. We got Kiddled, we got McCaffrey,
we got au, we got some again offensive line play,
(28:01):
we got some defensive players. We hung out with one
of the defensive players. You think this is the same team. No,
I'm saying they got the stars, steal a line that
they can plug and play, and I think they believe
their system. To your point, we got Jimmy g there,
we got Brock there, and I think they believe in
their system and the way in which they're running the organization.
That few pieces here. Lock game with Brock, give them
(28:23):
the big back, and we'll be right back at it
in the year. Yeah, I totally disagree.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I think that this is a situation where Brock didn't
make you feel the same way after last year. If
this was the year before when he was up for
like the MVP going into the last that Christmas Day
game and Lamar balled out and basically won the MVP, there,
maybe I feel differently. But watching him last year, he
(28:48):
was more pedestrian, more ordinary to me.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
More.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I'm not saying mister irrelevant, but the middle of the
pack quarterback.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Let me throw it was this chuch sounds rob g
and it was twenty I think he had twenty twenty touchdowns,
twelve interceptions.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, I mean that's not impressible. Matthew Stafford at twenty
and a he had twenty and twelve.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, twenty and twelve didn't look his best. He lost
a lot of obviously, the whole lineup was in and out,
and he lost christ McCaffer and he's definitely not quite
the same without Christian.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Mcca We talk about that like like that, that's what
makes you an elite quarterback and not everybody can do it.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
And I guess that you led me to where I
was gonna go. Now, maybe they don't view him as
he has to be those top five. He doesn't have
to be Patrick Lamar, Josh you know, if you want
to say Jalen and Joe Burrow, like right, if you're
putting him right up in there, maybe he doesn't have
to be that. But when we do our job and
we provide him the offensive guys we need, we're changing
up the schematics. Kyle Shanahan is supposed to be a
(29:44):
you know, offensive genius and We've still got some solid
defensive players that they feel we'll be right back at
this thing. He doesn't have to be that guy. Where
do you place him with Jared Goff? Better, worse, equal
on par Jared Goff is better than him. Okay, Jared Goff,
(30:05):
you know, had a potential. Not this season, obviously they
lost earlier, but last season to get there, Brock Purty
out played him. I think he's I think that if
he's done enough for them to say he's a top quarterback,
not the top five. Nobody thinks that. They're not crazy,
but he's one of the better quarterbacks that when he
has the pieces, knows our system. We're gonna revamp the
system some we'll be fine because again everybody can't have
(30:28):
Patrick Mahomes, rob or Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. You
know what I mean. There's there was a literally special guy.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I gotta be I gotta be honest going forward. Rock
Perty is not winning a super Bowl, especially with a
cut rate forty nine ers team.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
That's that's sat they believe that. I think they're just
starting over. Like I don't think they think they're gonna
be cut rate like Seattle or it's like, well, what
the heck are they doing?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Okay, so so so in the NFC where it is
now or whatnot? With the Bears getting better with the Yeah,
I'm giving you all the teams that the Vikings are
still there.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
You got to give me some more definitive if you've
got to give me some why the forty nine ers
didn't make the playoffs last year. While what I'm saying,
because the teams are computer that you're saying we didn't
go to like the Eagles. Okay, that's obvious. Those two
teams are obvious to me. I'm trying to go out.
I'm trying to tell you, well that that team's not
making the playoffs next year. So I'm trying to tell
you about the other team.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I'm telling you theon the Chicago Bears. So let's double
up the Wings. So I already got the Wings, that
we got the whip. Bet the Lions aren't making the playoffs.
It's so simple.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I got that.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
I got a question for you because obviously there's a
talent exodus going on right now. The problem, though, is
you're suggesting that they're having a stripped down roster. They
still have at least four or five all program. That's
what I was named after.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
That that I get that, but still there are a
lot of players.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
They had a really good team that they that got
to the super Bowl, yes twice, but did not win.
And all I'm saying is, I don't believe that brock
is good enough with not this, with not all your
pieces on the team that you have put together. So
I gotta wait and see. I saw him last year.
I saw the cut rate. I saw him without without
(32:16):
those a lot of those pieces. And I get injuries,
that's a part of the game and all that, but
I'm not convinced that he's that guy.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
That's my bed test, that he's somewhere in the middle
of twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. Twenty twenty
three is first and everything passer rating please of percentage QBR.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
He might be in the middle then, but and this
is where I think we're not giving the credit. The
credit to me. I agree with that. I don't think
he's necessarily like I said, he's not top five six
to seven guy. But John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan that
how they're running this right now, getting right players around him,
and Kyle you know, dialing up that offense. We've got
a really good version of him.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I got the forty nine is not making the playoffs
again too, and the Bears winning the NFC norm Yeah,
well I'm not Nick, right, I don't have winning the
super Bowl last year, winning the division. That's what Nick
had them winning the super Bowl. Rob g had who'd
you have the Jets and who in there you go?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
So there we go.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
That's probably even worse than his Bears one, because both
of my teams were.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I was close Chiefs Bears, Lions Chiefs. I had Baltimore
and Eagles.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Rob's consistent. He's piged Baltimore, like just gonna ride it
out Baseball. I picked the Padrects for like four years ago.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
That's right, Like you ride it out, I'm gonna ride
it out because eventually it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Just like I told you all these years that the
Lions weren't gonna make it to the super Bowl. I
stuck with it. You were nervous. I was lucky I
wasn't here that year they blew it in the NFC Championship.
He was a nervous wreck. I was that first half.
He was the first half. First he was on spirit.
Right now, I'm a champagne member. Go can I can?
I book a ticket to get get out of the country. Hey, Rob,
how good are the Dodgers gonna do this year? Ooh
(34:00):
good one. They're not making they're not winning the World Series.
Steve Seger is laughing in your face right now.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You know how Harden is to repeat. Steve knows, he's a
baseball guy. It's very tough to repeat in baseball. We
haven't had a team repeat in twenty five years. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Overdue. Better Yankee is are Dodgers? What's that? Better Yankees
are Dodgers. The Dodgers are better on paper? Better season?
Say who will happen? Yeah, I mean they just lost
their age. That's a good point. Well he's still They
lost him in the fifth inning.
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