May 2, 2025 • 38 mins
Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington look back on Greg Popovich's coaching career and debate if load management will tarnish the way his legacy is viewed. Rob believes the Lakers should replace JJ Redick with Michael Malone. Plus, the guys look at which NBA stars without a ring would benefit from winning this year the most!
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Oh my goodness, gracious and uh let's start here.
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Let me welcome in. My partner. He is Kelvin Washington.
Kelvin Washington. What's happening?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
How are you wait? Hold on, Robie? Quiet me, Okay,
I just want to hear for her send him in
to the stage. I didn't know what I didn't know
what I was going here.
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I didn't know. No, no, no, not yet, Okay, I
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It roight.
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Yeah, so it might need some inflation though for you,
Robi might not. It might not hit the same when
you get up in there and the terras might be
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That's right, Hey, that's for sure.
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But yeah, I'm in Atlanta, you're in Los Angeles, of course,
and it is the odd couple on a funky flashback Friday,
and man, a lot to get to, a lot to
talk about.
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Yeh, don't worry about it, man, that's why we die
a couple, brother, We a couple of Well.
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Ryan, what happened to my what happened to my rundown?
I don't have one.
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He honestly didn't want them to spilling drinks and getting
glitter on it, so he was like, I'm anna just
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Of the hours, so we'll have some good conversations, some
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our guy Olden Polonies next hour is gonna join us
again more NBA coverage and conversations, looking forward to that.
And then lastly, Johnny Vello is gonna talk to us.
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we wouldn't be able to do this farm radio program
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our producer.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Ryan.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Is it true that Rob G potentially is coming back
on Monday?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Is that? I don't know if I believe it? Here,
not sure yet. I'm not sure. You're not sure, Shay,
I'm not sure Brush will be here in a second.
But I'm pretty sure he'll be here next week. But again,
I'm not sure yet. You know, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Gonna say, like we six weeks came and went and
the placed him fall apart.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I think we did a job.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Look, man, you know Rob G, Rob Parker, rob anybody.
We don't need Robb G. We can be all right
without them.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Sound good? Just there you go saying numbers look good.
I realized that I'm more sponsored since he left.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
I didn't even knowing Alex, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh we'll get at Oh wow, we all that's right,
all right? And uh, Steve de Seger's at the anchor desk.
He'll keep us updated throughout the program.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
And never heard of him, Elijah them.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
It's a social media And let me tell you, I'm
at six p't eighty the fan here in Atlanta, and
this is pretty awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You know where I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
At, right across the street from the ballpark. I mean literally,
I just had a oh sandwich right across.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Of course, no bread. I ate the meat out of
the sandwich.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Buts too alone.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Hey, I was mad at McDonald's this morning.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I asked them this, earl as heck, they're trying to
do the best they can. Eight in the morning. You're
putting them on blast of a way socials. Alex get
on here and this is what happened.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I order.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I love these sauce. It, I mean the steak, egg
and cheese. Have you ever had it with the sauce
and the onions.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
It's really good. But you know, I'm on this diet,
so I'm not eating the bagel. I make it very clear.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And the reason is I don't want to a waste
the bagel by throwing it out. You know, I don't
like wasting food. Number two, I don't want my cheese
stuck to the bagel. I wanted on my on my
steak because I'm gonna lose the cheese being stuck to
the bagel.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Correct, Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I said to the guy, can I have everything the
sandwich on the side, like on a plate and I
don't want the bagel. He looked at me like I
was from Mars, like he looked at me. I was like,
what is so hard not to make the sandwich without
the bagel? Like really so actually, and he looked at
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me like I was like, what are you asking me?
And then that the worst part is, Alex, you saw
a receipt on social media.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It says no bagel. Stop right, it says no bagel.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And then I took a picture of the sandwich with
the bagel on it.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
It was an extra big bagel too, a dwarf.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
The steak and the egg went anyway, And guess what,
McDonald's reached out to me.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
They've already reached out to me.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
They said, you should have your sandwich the way you
want it, and we're gonna talk to the store figure
out what happened, what we're wrong. But I did have
the receipt. It showed that I asked for a no
bagel and they even have it on the receipt and
they still gave me a bagel.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I mean, one could say you could have just took
the bagel off, but you bring up great points. The
cheese will get stuck, the sauce will be all up
in the bagel. The fat man inside me understands it.
So I just wanted to give you a hard time.
But I totally get it because my wife, No, when
we get something from somewhere and I get home and
it eighth the way I like it, I will I
have to bad myself to not ruin the night. I
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will be like man. So I'm definitely a call back guy.
A yah, yeah, Washington, Yeah, they had twenty minutes. Yeah
that y'all messed it up. You messed it up, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
All right, we got a lot to do and we
should uh get started here with the with the news
of the day, and.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
There's a change. We knew this was coming.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Greg Popovich stepping down as coach of the He hasn't
coached in a while because he had the stroke, but
he's officially stepped.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Down as coach. He's gonna be the team president.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Twenty nine years at the Helm, and I thought to myself,
I mean, obviously accomplished a lot. Twenty nine years is
an unbelievable run. Right, Yeah, he's won five championships and
isn't needy all time.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Winning his coach, right he is.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
He's got all of those accolades, and Kelvin, I'm not
being mean, but I gotta tell you when I think, yes.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
This not just me and you. No, No, it's not
just me and you.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
When I think of Pop, I'm gonna be honest, I
don't think of the most wins by coach. I don't
think about the five championships. I think about the most
influential thing that Pop did was negative towards the NBA
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and hurt fans, and that is load management. And the
worst part about Pop doing that load management is it worked.
He rested players and they kept winning, so other people. Look,
this wasn't where this guy's a genius.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Look at what he did.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
He revolutionized the game, right, everybody followed his lead. It
was one of the worst things that's ever happened to
the NBA. It made people question whether or not they
wanted to buy tickets, whether or not we could believe
that if we go there to the ballpark or the stadium,
that we know guys are playing, and he's the author
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of it.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That's what I think about. And the other bad part
was the way he handled Kawhi.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Leonard the all time grades didn't buy into Kawhi.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Being heard, Like seriously, Kawhi lost faith.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
In pop and that medical staff in San Antonio. Kawhi
never caused any trouble before that. Remember he was saying,
I'm heard. They didn't believe he was heard. I'm not
being mean. I'm telling you Greg Popovich and his load
management damaged the NBA forever. He's the author of it,
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and you can't shake it. He's the one that made
it work. He's the one.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That did it.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He's the one that makes fans mad that they spend
four hundred dollars on tickets and healthy players don't play.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
That's what I think about.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, I definitely think load management is something that he did.
And you mentioned it that you said he was successful
with that. He knew how to do it, and it
reminds me of Steph Curry. Everybody saw Steph ruin the NBA. Well,
wasn't Steph? Is that everybody felt they could be Steph
and they followed along and they ain't doing it right
and you got terrible people shooting threes. And it's the
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same thing with the Coche Popovitch. Everybody is not doing
it right. Everybody isn't even winning at the radios where
he at least he could justify it to say, hey,
look at the results. Y'all not winning like that. Y'all
aren't having the same success, so stop trying to do
what he did. But this so I understand your point there,
but nah, not for me, Rob, not at all. There's
several things that I take away away from just the championships,
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Away from just the winning. I look at Papovinch and
the reason why you could consider him one of the greatest,
if not the greatest coach in basketball, he's right up
there is for these reasons. Number One, I look at
him as a culture creator. You know, when I look
at the fact that they have award winners to this
present day, guess who's there to present the Rookie of
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the Year Award, Tim Duncan and David Robinson. When somebody
went when Wimby windsay, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, who's there?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
They talk about Tony Parker will come back.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
He created a culture in San Antonio that we all
know exactly what that culture is.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
He also developed players.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Tony Parker was this young French player who wasn't really
tough enough ready for the NBA. He took him under
his wings and they got into it. But he molded
Tony Parker into a Hall of Fame player. He molded
Janobili into a better and refined player. He took a
defensive minded, no offensive, real game Kawhi and helped mold
him into a great player. So that's another thing for me. Development. Also,
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he won in three decades, the late nineties, the two thousands,
and the twenty tens. That's incredible, remarkable and impressive. And
this is one of the bigger points for me. Most
people get stuck their way. Phil Jackson had to implement
the triangle. That's the only way it works. Well, hey,
it's not working with Carmelo and now I'm still gonna
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do it, and other coaches and other people are rigid
my way or the highway from beginning to end, they
never evolved.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
He started off defensive minded.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Pile the ball around, drop it down, low to the
twin towers, passed the ball, make sure you do this,
run the clock, and ended up being one of the
more high powered, high scoring, three point shooting teams. And
you never thought you would say that about a Popovich
team for the first twenty something years. But he's evolved.
He understood the game is evolving. He changed, and that
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takes a real og or real coach to be able
to do that and not be stuck in your waist.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
And last, and this is a big one.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
He spoke up about issues. He spoke up about injustices.
He spoke up about things he believed in, things that
mattered to him. He stood on business and I think
lot of people will remember Greg Popovich for that, For
standing up for the rights of others, the marginalize, and
just community at large. Those are the things that I
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will think about it. Greg popovis even just necessarily away
from the five titles and the three Coaches of the Year.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Even the five titles, and I'm not trying to nitpick
and be petty. Never won back to back and five
championships over it spread out over twenty years. You think
that's great. Okay, that's fine, but that's not special. That's
not a three p that's not a dynasty. When you
win three out of four, three in a row, like
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five spread out over twenty years, it's great. I'm not
saying you wouldn't take the five championships. The difference is
when Derek Jeter and the Yankees were winning their five championships,
they won three out of four, they won three in
a row, and four out of five. When Dallas won
their Super Bowls and they were a dynasty, they won
three out of four Super Bowls when the page, do
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you see what I'm saying, like a dynasty. I'm not
discounting it. I don't want people to act like I'm
totally discounting it.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It's not special. It's not.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
And I think they were close enough, meaning winning an three,
winning and five and winning seven just that that run there,
I think that's close enough, you know, and then also
winning in ninety nine before that, So that's so crazy.
You got four titles just right there in a matter
of eight nine years.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Four and that's that's that's I'll take that any day.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That didn't even mention the one that they won later
in twenty fourteen. I believe it was so Yeah. I
just think it was remarkable and he did so many
many other things. I think the load management is absolutely.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
That's a black guy. That's a black guy on his resume.
It's a black guy on his resume.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I don't think it's a black guy for me because
I think he did it and justifiablybody else you're doing it.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Everybody else is doing it. It ain't doing it right.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
No, that just means you didn't buy tickets. If you
think that the load management is good, that means.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You part you.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Rob. Nobody was coming to see the Spurs anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
No, they weren't watching the Spurs naturally.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
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Coming up in about twenty eight minutes, ol In Polonies
the NBA VET and Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst. He
will join us, coming up soon and let's talk this.
Kelvin will stick with the NBA and the Lakers in
the whole situation. I was curious about the Lebron injury.
(16:06):
Of course, every time you lose in the playoffs, they reveal,
like the next day, something was wrong with Lebron.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
You know he was hurt. You know someone's wrong with Lebron. Really?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Oh thanks, you could have kept that to yourself, Hold
that to yourself. Okay, let him recover in can't coon?
We don't care, all right, But I'm dead serious here.
You know I have not been a JJ Redick fan.
I don't think he's a good coach, you don't say.
I think the Lakers made a huge, huge mistake in
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hiring an unproven commodity with the player like Lebron who's
forty at the end of his career, where the coach
is learning on the job, never never was a head
coach and college or high school. It doesn't make sense.
And we saw the mistakes, well you agree in the
first playoff round, some major, major mistakes. And here's my thinking.
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And you know this because you saw it in Detroit.
You had another young coach in Rick Carlisle, who got
the Pistons to fifty wins. Do you remember that second
round of the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah? I do.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And he was a promising coach. I actually covered Rick
Carlisle when he was a player with the New Jersey Nets.
I know Rick from way back when. So he was
a coach and he did a good job. And they
still made a change, you know, And that was because
Larry Brown became available. And Larry Brown hadn't won a
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championship to that point. Kelvin right, but he had always
turned around programs and they looked at it. Joe Dumars,
who was the run of the Pistons now with the Pelicans,
and looked at it and said, I have a chance
to upgrade my coaching right here and right now, and
I'm gonna move off of Rick Carlile and I'm gonna
Harry hire Larry Brown. What happened to Larry Brown in
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his first year with the Pistons championship?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
What about the second year?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Went back to the finals game seven, almost had a
shot of winning it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
My point is that there is a coach out there
available at the Lakers. If you're serious about winning and
you're saying to yourself, what can we do to be better?
We need Luca to be in better shape. We need
some big guys to protect the rim, we need some
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better bench players, and we need a new coach with experience.
And I'm telling you right here, right now, if I'm
Jeanie Buss or whatever, and I'm counting the money at
the bank or you know, get my hair done or
whatever she's doing, I would hire Mike Malone, as in yesterday,
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who was a really good coach at Denver, the winning
is coach at Denver, and who won.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
A championship just two years ago. It's two years were removed.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
From winning an NBA title. He's available if I'm the Lakers.
I'm interested. Anytime I can upgrade any position, I'm doing it.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
JJ, thank you. It was cool the first year.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
You know what, You might have a career coaching with
somebody else in another situation, But right here, right now,
we need ready. We need somebody who's already developed. We
don't need donuts or biscuits. That'sie doweye in the middle
because they're not fully cooked. That's what JJ Reddick is.
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He's not fully cooked. When you cut the biscuit, it's
Dowie in the middle.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You're not needing biscuits right now, raps, I'm talking about biscuits.
Give you a biscuit on your snare. No, right, God
knows I've had a biscuit in three months. Oh man.
Well all right, So a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I think JJ was thrust in a crazy situation, meaning
he's coming from doing TV, which wasn't as if he
was doing TV for ten years we all got a
customed to it.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
He's doing a TV for like a year and a half.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
He's doing a podcast with a guy he would eventually coach,
which made it weird.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And he's coaching.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Oh, I don't know, maybe the Marquis franchise in the
NBA with the Lakers, with the star player Lebron. So
he walked into a situation that was already going to be,
you know, all eyes on you, growing pains. You don't
get a lot of them because you're having them in
the public eye. I do not think they need to
get rid of him.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I was not.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I'm slightly indifferent. I'm not like meaning, I'm not running
around with JJ Pompom's on. But when I look at
what he was able to do fifty to thirty two
in a team that had won fifty wins, had fifty
wins since the twenty nineteen twenty twenty season, the year
in which they won the championship. There was a period
bri far Luca where they had won twenty of their
twenty out of twenty eight games and they were second
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defensive rating after New Year's Eve. This is a month
before looking well so plus what I'm saying is I
did and he got out coach, and he had to learn,
and he got out coached by a team that had
been hungry from the season before, feeling like they should
have been in the finals.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Instead of the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I do not think Rob Polinka did him any good
services as well, and who he had him being able
to being the grocery shopper, the groceries he gave JJ Reddick,
So I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna compete JJ
Popovich er JJ Jackson is in Phil Jackson. But I
want to see more. I want to give him more
of an opportunity. I want to see what he looks
like with a full offseason with Luki and Lebron and
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Austin Reeves as their core. Obviously, anything can happen over
the summer if they make trades, but as of now constructed,
that's their core. I would love to see a full
program with him and his assistant figure out. Okay, now
that we know what works, what does it? How do
we go into this next season. I love to be
fair and give him that moving forward and see what
they can do. But I think Rob Polinka has to
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go ahead and be better and make some moves to
make this a less flaud roster going up against a
Western conference that has deep teams. They may have a
very good two and stars in Luke and Lebron, but
they have no real death in comparison to the teams
that they'll be chasing. And a lot of these teams
are young. You're talking okay, see, they ain't going nowhere.
You're talking to the bulk of that Timberwolves team. They
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ain't going anywhere. And some more teams are on the
rise in the West as well that are young, that
aren't going anywhere so that they're gonna like the Rockets
for example, just to name another team. So I don't
mind JJ being there for another year fifty and thirty two.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I'm not gonna get rid of that guy who had
a team playing at a better clip than they had
been even before Luca came. I just think again, he
had to get those bumps, he had to get those bruises,
He had to not learn what and what not to
do in the postseason, because that's when you really gotta
go through that fire and hopefully it makes you better
from it. But he's wound tight. My concern is a
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little urban myrie ish no lap dance or no lap sitting,
but of the of the you know, just like having
hard issues and thinking too much. And I'm not wishing
this on him, but I'm saying, I'm serious when I
say can't sleep, and you hear him already.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I can't sleep last night. I couldn't do this. I
woke up at too in the morning.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Like, dude, it's a long season and you gotta deal
with a lot that comes with it, ups and downs
of the season, players getting into it, the media getting
on your nerves. Assistant coaches might not see how that
he's gotta find that's in. He better call Phil Jackson,
call Steve Kerr because he's not gonna make it multiple years,
four or five, six, ten years if he's gonna be
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this while tightly and high strung, so he definitely needs
to be able to find a little bit of that
bring it down a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Here's why I disagree with you.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I don't care what he did during the regular season
when it came time to this team isn't about the
regular season.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
It's about the postseason.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And when you have Luca and Lebron, you expect some results.
And the last thing you thought was that you would
be swept out so easily. And I know it's five games,
but knocked out of the playoffs so easily, uh, in
the first round.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
So to me.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
That was a failure and what was glaring was his
coaching mistakes. That's what I'm talking about. If they just
got beat and he did the right moves, Kelvin, then
then then your argument would be better for me. He
was out coached, he was taken to the woodshed. He
was he was made to be a Pinatas as far
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as coaching, he was bad.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
That smell. That's JJ Reddick, It really is.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
But Rob, here's where I here's where I agree, and
I think he would, you know, sit up here and
say he made some mistakes. You know, there were some
mistakes that were obvious throughout the series, but he also
had his team I'll play them for probably two thirds
of the series, right. But what I'm saying is he
wasn't out coach as if he just had no shot.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
It was never in this and it was just an embarrassment.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
He literally had him all play him and most of
the most of these games. To credit the Timber was
that they showed again this stat the fourth quarter was huge,
and that's a coaching that's where learning, and that's where
he had to go through that and learn. You have
to go through it. You're going up against a coach,
who's been through this, who went through last year, who
again thought he should be in the in the finals
(25:22):
last year, who have a dog out and and uh
An Edwards in a bunch of guys who were hungry,
and JJ has to go through this and learn I
shouldn't have done this. Maybe I need to start Luca.
You know my theory. Start Luca on the elbow more.
He has nothing beat forty feet out from the basket, dribbling,
dribbling it all day. Maybe I need to have Lebron
understand we're gonna post you. You're literally this is the
(25:42):
modern NBA. You're the fifth biggest person in the NBA.
This ain't the nineties where you'd be a small forward.
Maybe I should start you on the block. Whatever it
is his adjustments, he had to go through this to
find that out, find out what he does right, to
find out what he's does wrong, find out what his
team and his makeup.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
He's still learning Luca.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Who's gonna be if he's around five six years well,
that's gonna be his start. You gotta learn him and
what makes him better, what gets him going? So again
fifty and thirty two getting to the playoffs, third seed,
I'm not gonna just fire that guy. I am going
to make some adjustments for personnel. I am gonna hope
that he finds the adjustments to make this team better
(26:19):
and what makes them.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Go more and uh, and then we'll do what we
do come to fall. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I just think the coaching is a glaring part of it,
and with a better coach, there could have been some adjustments.
They could have won that game four, tied this series
up with a better coach. And I just think if
there is a coach out.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
There taking Lou, if Lou want to come back, Tyron
Lewson are bad, our bad?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
We should have had you coming. Lay up.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
We we we blew it. We blew it. He said,
I'm coming, and so be it. You know I'm taking them. Yes,
there's a couple of guys I'll take, but I'm okay
on Mike Malone for right now.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
So, so you like eating gooey biscuits? Is that what
you're telling me with JJ Reddick?
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I like, if you just told me you have a
new recipe for the biscuits, and the biscuit is starting
not all right, and at the end you might have
burnt it just a little bit, But I see where
you're going.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I'm alright with that.
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I didn't know that you could get ninety thousand views.
I thought most radio shows got views.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Well, if they're lucky, they'll get up the word of
four hundred. Okay, I'm just saying I see some big
numbers something time. Okay, tomorrow, it might be that that
have you seen that Kelvin the Which one was that Alex?
The Yes, Lebron Lebron retire.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It might it might go up to one hundred thousand winds,
which is crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Coming up, man, Larry Junes says, numbers, numbers, trust me,
hip hop fans, nobody numbers.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Coming up in twenty eight minutes, Johnny Avello, director UH
race and sportsbook operations at Draftking.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
So we will definitely talk with Johnny Avello.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Who I go back thirty years was on my original
radio show back in the day, back in Wow.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I still can't believe that he's still like you somehow,
nobody nobody else who's.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Been around me for a long time as the like
me long term.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yes, hold up, uh man, all right, Well that I'm
looking forward to conversation with him and talking about some
trying to you know, talk some money with him. With
the lines are out there, Rob, I was thinking about
it watching his NBA playoffs now that we kind of
got some of the teams that are out, we still
got some teams obviously they are still going competing right now.
So I'm looking at this as there's a group of
(29:34):
guys who are ringless, who remain in the NBA finals,
who I believe uh are in NBA playoffs that a
ring would do something for their career, or maybe it's not.
Maybe believe they got time. So for instance, maybe it's
aunt Jah, he's twenty four to twenty five. He finally
he's got plenty of time. SGA, he's got plenty of time.
Maybe it's Jalen Brunton. What could that do for New York?
(29:57):
You got cat Towns, you got Donovan Mitchell, then you
We had some interesting ones as well, guys who've been
in the league for some time but they're still ringless.
I'm looking at James Harden, Russell Westbrook also, who was
the other one I had James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Jimmy Butler.
Jimmy Butler as well, been to a couple of finals,
took the heat there, tried his best, but hasn't been
(30:18):
able to do it just out of coming some of
those guys.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Think about who it would be for you?
Speaker 4 (30:24):
For me, I think the answer and I thought about
there's a couple guys I looked at, but ultimately came
down to James Harden. I think James Harden, who played
incredible last night for the Clippers. I think it was
twenty eight points for him, got hot really early and
they made it. You could tell they made it a
focal point. They being Tyrone Lou to really get him
active and going. The reason I say is Harden. James
(30:47):
Harden for a long time was an annual MVP candidate.
Some people feel he was robbed of a couple There
was an eight year period where he was one of
the greatest offensive weapons I've ever seen in my entire
life of watching the NBA. I love this sport, as
you know, I'm a fan, and I'm not saying he's
the greatest score.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I'm saying greatest weapon.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
You're talking about assist scoring, just controlling a game, tempo's
getting to the free throw line, step back threes where
he's really one of the really ones who kind of
elevated that the euro step. Obviously guys have been doing
it for years, but he kind of elevated that.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
He was amazing to see for so long.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
However, James Harden has had playoff shortcomings, playoffs where you'd say,
did he get tired, he disappeared, he didn't show up
what was going on. It's incredible, big game, absolutely big
games where usually even though Luca's gonna show Lebron Kobe
shat whatever, these steph whatever you guys.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
What was that Houston team Calvin when they missed twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Straight he was twenty seven straight threes.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
He had bad games where where you know, against this
when he was with the Rockets against the Spurs, and
remember Jenobii block blocked his last second shot to try
to win it. When he was in the NBA Finals
with the Oklahoma City Thunder. Now he was and he
was a sixth man, but he did he didn't perform
well there either.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
So for me, my answer is James Harden.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
This he's a Hall of Famer first ballot, one of
the best players of his generation. But for him to
have that ability to become a champion, to have that
ability to finally have that moment where he can hold
the trophy over his head and not be a guy who's,
you know, a tenth man on the team just hanging on,
you know, but this year is still one of the
guys on this team. It's Kawhi, it's him, you know.
(32:28):
Obviously Norman Pole playing well, but he's still their guy.
James Harden, this is your year. Ride the cotails of Kawhi,
but also still do your thing. I think he would
benefit the most from winning a championship this year from
the guys who are still ringless.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Who you got see, I'm gonna push back on that pick. Okay,
they if they win, it's gonna be about Kawhi winning.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Maybe it will be.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
It will be about Kawhi because he's gonna be in
the mix. He's going to wind up, you know what
I mean, Like unless James Harden, James Harden really balls
out and he's the Finals m v P. Like, seriously,
who's going to get the most credit if the if
the Clippers went.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
But I don't think he needs to be finals MVP.
He just needs to be really good. Meaning but I'm
if he's Davis to Lebron in the bubble, you know
what I mean, where Lebron got it but Ad played
balled out, then I think that still goes.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
See, I don't think. I don't think James is going
to I don't think it's a bad thing. Don't get
me wrong now that if he wins a championship, but
I don't think it changes what people think because when
he was that dude, he couldn't get it done, and
then to have Kawhi there with him and he's played without.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Kawhi, you know what I mean, And and and it
didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
And that's why I think Kawhi would get most of
the credit. It would be great for James Harden, but
it wouldn't change who he is to people.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Do you get what James Harden is a man? No?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
No, it would be like, oh, that's nice at the
end of his career, he was able to get a championship.
But I just think that because that like Gary Payton,
can I say that Gary Payton?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I think in Miami he's still better than Gary was
at that point and you get point absolutely. I just
think for him to have that monkey off his back
to kind of be able to look KD.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Stephen, don't we make that drug reference. I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I don't get the monkey off, but I don't know
if it was maybe it was a lot of drugs
going on in the sixties and seventies.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Herol, Oh, yeah, that's where it comes from. I know.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
But to get that monkey off his back, man, and
just for me to just be able to look, like
I said, Steph and Draymond and Lebron and KD and
you know, Jannest kind of the guys, his ill kids,
his peers, his contemporaries, and say I got one too,
and I was a big time cogging that thing. Not
just you know, twelfth man clapping on the bench and
(34:49):
street clothes. No, I was the second best player on
a championship team. I think that would go vote well
for him. Who you got anybody? I mean, what else?
Anybody else out there? I got another guy who's thinking
you might like too bad, but I think hard for
me legacy wise, But I got another one I'll throw
at you in the second year.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, I just think SGA and those guys, no one's like,
oh my god, they have to win, you know what
I mean? And if they don't. And the same thing
with Butler. I mean, he's been around, he's had a
couple of chances. Unless again, the only way to me
it's a big deal for Butler is if he's the
MVP and he puts on a fantastic performance, do you
(35:27):
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
And then you say, well he did it.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
And what helped Kevin Durant was that Kevin Durant went
to the Warriors, but he was the finals MVP those
two championship don't.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Tell other people because they act like he was just
a man.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
It is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen, Like,
like the way the people they choked down a three
to one.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
And then he.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Beats Lebron might have two more championships if he didn't
go to the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
See, dude, we could do an entire two hour show
on that right there. How that changed so many people's legacies.
Lebron might have six, Steph might only have one, maybe two,
like and it looked It's just yeah, that was a
massive thing.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
I want to let me throw this one out at you.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
This one you might be like, I might get you
to scratch of hair on your chinny chin chin with
this one. Specifically, this season, if Jalen Brunson was able
to win one with New York and New York for
the Knicks, down Trodden hadn't won since the seventies A championship.
He's obviously one of the better players in the league.
Mister clutch Player of the Year this year. If for
(36:30):
some strange reason, he dragged like Dirko Dirko like Dirk
did to the Miami Heat, and if Jalen Brunson weren't
able to drag the Knicks teams to a finals and
win one. For some reason, he just did this miraculous
run that would be so huge for his legacy to
(36:51):
not only win it, but win it ball out unexpected.
It's not like you were one of the teams we
thought would do it and you did it. For the
next that would be huge. And I just thought, man,
Jalen Brunson, that would be massive if he were able
to just you know, like I said, a dirt team
or one of those Lebron teams, or you know, one
of those years where guys kind of dragged the team
(37:13):
that we didn't necessarily think we'll be able to do it,
and that would be amazing.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
If Jalen Brunson did.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
That, that would that would be fair because of the
history and the Knicks, even one since nineteen seventy three
or since Moby Dick was a guppy or whatever you
want to call it, and nobody's expecting him. He knocks
out the Celtics and then you know, continues on and
wins a championship.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I mean a long Nick fans have been dying. People
have been waiting so long.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Back now waiting my life.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I can die now, I mean you know that. Yeah,
when the Cubs won after one hundred something years. I
remember the old guys in the stands holding up signs,
you know, like I can.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I can die now, you know what I mean. It
was like wow, like.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
It was it was it was cool to see because
people do that, Like I think all sports fans say that,
can I see my team just win one? And I
know that's where Lions fans are going with am I right,
like like just want I just want one day my
team wins and I get to see what that's like
and all that experience it And that's the frustrating part.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
But that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Brunton, I think that I think he supersedes u uh Harden, Yeah,
because I think Kawhi would get the bulk of that.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
That would be it. I'd be incredible for him to
do that.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
And then you know, yeah, the other guys I think
again s g A and you know some of these
young guys, they have time to get to it. I
think we all believe, hey, you know, even if they
were to lose or fall this year, uh, they'd have
a shot
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Speaker 3 (01:27):
So much to do, so little time?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh my goodness, gracious and uh let's start here.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Let me welcome in. My partner. He is Kelvin Washington.
Kelvin Washington. What's happening?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
How are you wait? Hold on, Robie? Quiet me, Okay,
I just want to hear for her send him in
to the stage. I didn't know what I didn't know
what I was going here.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I didn't know. No, no, no, not yet, Okay, I
just want to make.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
It roight.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, so it might need some inflation though for you,
Robi might not. It might not hit the same when
you get up in there and the terras might be
tearing you up.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
That's right, Hey, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
But yeah, I'm in Atlanta, you're in Los Angeles, of course,
and it is the odd couple on a funky flashback Friday,
and man, a lot to get to, a lot to
talk about.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And do you have the rundown? Because I do not have.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeh, don't worry about it, man, that's why we die
a couple, brother, We a couple of Well.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Ryan, what happened to my what happened to my rundown?
I don't have one.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
He honestly didn't want them to spilling drinks and getting
glitter on it, so he was like, I'm anna just
cut cow, so I got don't even worry about it.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I'm here for you.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Vinny good Will get ready to join us here bottom.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Of the hours, so we'll have some good conversations, some
hoops conversation with him, we got on the way. After that,
our guy Olden Polonies next hour is gonna join us
again more NBA coverage and conversations, looking forward to that.
And then lastly, Johnny Vello is gonna talk to us.
We'll have some uh, we'll talk some money as well
with him. So we gotta pack on a Friday, my guy.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
All right, let's welcome into the Odd Couple crew, because
we wouldn't be able to do this farm radio program
without him. Alex, of course, is our engineer. Ryan is
our producer.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Ryan.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Is it true that Rob G potentially is coming back
on Monday?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Is that? I don't know if I believe it? Here,
not sure yet. I'm not sure. You're not sure, Shay,
I'm not sure Brush will be here in a second.
But I'm pretty sure he'll be here next week. But again,
I'm not sure yet. You know, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Gonna say, like we six weeks came and went and
the placed him fall apart.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I think we did a job.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Look, man, you know Rob G, Rob Parker, rob anybody.
We don't need Robb G. We can be all right
without them.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Sound good? Just there you go saying numbers look good.
I realized that I'm more sponsored since he left.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
I didn't even knowing Alex, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh we'll get at Oh wow, we all that's right,
all right? And uh, Steve de Seger's at the anchor desk.
He'll keep us updated throughout the program.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
And never heard of him, Elijah them.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
It's a social media And let me tell you, I'm
at six p't eighty the fan here in Atlanta, and
this is pretty awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You know where I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
At, right across the street from the ballpark. I mean literally,
I just had a oh sandwich right across.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Of course, no bread. I ate the meat out of
the sandwich.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Buts too alone.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Hey, I was mad at McDonald's this morning.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I asked them this, earl as heck, they're trying to
do the best they can. Eight in the morning. You're
putting them on blast of a way socials. Alex get
on here and this is what happened.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I order.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I love these sauce. It, I mean the steak, egg
and cheese. Have you ever had it with the sauce
and the onions.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
It's really good. But you know, I'm on this diet,
so I'm not eating the bagel. I make it very clear.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And the reason is I don't want to a waste
the bagel by throwing it out. You know, I don't
like wasting food. Number two, I don't want my cheese
stuck to the bagel. I wanted on my on my
steak because I'm gonna lose the cheese being stuck to
the bagel.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Correct, Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I said to the guy, can I have everything the
sandwich on the side, like on a plate and I
don't want the bagel. He looked at me like I
was from Mars, like he looked at me. I was like,
what is so hard not to make the sandwich without
the bagel? Like really so actually, and he looked at
(05:40):
me like I was like, what are you asking me?
And then that the worst part is, Alex, you saw
a receipt on social media.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It says no bagel. Stop right, it says no bagel.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And then I took a picture of the sandwich with
the bagel on it.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
It was an extra big bagel too, a dwarf.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
The steak and the egg went anyway, And guess what,
McDonald's reached out to me.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
They've already reached out to me.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
They said, you should have your sandwich the way you
want it, and we're gonna talk to the store figure
out what happened, what we're wrong. But I did have
the receipt. It showed that I asked for a no
bagel and they even have it on the receipt and
they still gave me a bagel.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I mean, one could say you could have just took
the bagel off, but you bring up great points. The
cheese will get stuck, the sauce will be all up
in the bagel. The fat man inside me understands it.
So I just wanted to give you a hard time.
But I totally get it because my wife, No, when
we get something from somewhere and I get home and
it eighth the way I like it, I will I
have to bad myself to not ruin the night. I
(06:43):
will be like man. So I'm definitely a call back guy.
A yah, yeah, Washington, Yeah, they had twenty minutes. Yeah
that y'all messed it up. You messed it up, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
All right, we got a lot to do and we
should uh get started here with the with the news
of the day, and.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
There's a change. We knew this was coming.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Greg Popovich stepping down as coach of the He hasn't
coached in a while because he had the stroke, but
he's officially stepped.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Down as coach. He's gonna be the team president.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Twenty nine years at the Helm, and I thought to myself,
I mean, obviously accomplished a lot. Twenty nine years is
an unbelievable run. Right, Yeah, he's won five championships and
isn't needy all time.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Winning his coach, right he is.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
He's got all of those accolades, and Kelvin, I'm not
being mean, but I gotta tell you when I think, yes.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
This not just me and you. No, No, it's not
just me and you.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
When I think of Pop, I'm gonna be honest, I
don't think of the most wins by coach. I don't
think about the five championships. I think about the most
influential thing that Pop did was negative towards the NBA
(08:09):
and hurt fans, and that is load management. And the
worst part about Pop doing that load management is it worked.
He rested players and they kept winning, so other people. Look,
this wasn't where this guy's a genius.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Look at what he did.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
He revolutionized the game, right, everybody followed his lead. It
was one of the worst things that's ever happened to
the NBA. It made people question whether or not they
wanted to buy tickets, whether or not we could believe
that if we go there to the ballpark or the stadium,
that we know guys are playing, and he's the author
(08:53):
of it.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That's what I think about. And the other bad part
was the way he handled Kawhi.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Leonard the all time grades didn't buy into Kawhi.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Being heard, Like seriously, Kawhi lost faith.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
In pop and that medical staff in San Antonio. Kawhi
never caused any trouble before that. Remember he was saying,
I'm heard. They didn't believe he was heard. I'm not
being mean. I'm telling you Greg Popovich and his load
management damaged the NBA forever. He's the author of it,
(09:35):
and you can't shake it. He's the one that made
it work. He's the one.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That did it.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He's the one that makes fans mad that they spend
four hundred dollars on tickets and healthy players don't play.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
That's what I think about.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, I definitely think load management is something that he did.
And you mentioned it that you said he was successful
with that. He knew how to do it, and it
reminds me of Steph Curry. Everybody saw Steph ruin the NBA. Well,
wasn't Steph? Is that everybody felt they could be Steph
and they followed along and they ain't doing it right
and you got terrible people shooting threes. And it's the
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same thing with the Coche Popovitch. Everybody is not doing
it right. Everybody isn't even winning at the radios where
he at least he could justify it to say, hey,
look at the results. Y'all not winning like that. Y'all
aren't having the same success, so stop trying to do
what he did. But this so I understand your point there,
but nah, not for me, Rob, not at all. There's
several things that I take away away from just the championships,
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Away from just the winning. I look at Papovinch and
the reason why you could consider him one of the greatest,
if not the greatest coach in basketball, he's right up
there is for these reasons. Number One, I look at
him as a culture creator. You know, when I look
at the fact that they have award winners to this
present day, guess who's there to present the Rookie of
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the Year Award, Tim Duncan and David Robinson. When somebody
went when Wimby windsay, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, who's there?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
They talk about Tony Parker will come back.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
He created a culture in San Antonio that we all
know exactly what that culture is.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
He also developed players.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Tony Parker was this young French player who wasn't really
tough enough ready for the NBA. He took him under
his wings and they got into it. But he molded
Tony Parker into a Hall of Fame player. He molded
Janobili into a better and refined player. He took a
defensive minded, no offensive, real game Kawhi and helped mold
him into a great player. So that's another thing for me. Development. Also,
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he won in three decades, the late nineties, the two thousands,
and the twenty tens. That's incredible, remarkable and impressive. And
this is one of the bigger points for me. Most
people get stuck their way. Phil Jackson had to implement
the triangle. That's the only way it works. Well, hey,
it's not working with Carmelo and now I'm still gonna
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do it, and other coaches and other people are rigid
my way or the highway from beginning to end, they
never evolved.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
He started off defensive minded.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Pile the ball around, drop it down, low to the
twin towers, passed the ball, make sure you do this,
run the clock, and ended up being one of the
more high powered, high scoring, three point shooting teams. And
you never thought you would say that about a Popovich
team for the first twenty something years. But he's evolved.
He understood the game is evolving. He changed, and that
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takes a real og or real coach to be able
to do that and not be stuck in your waist.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
And last, and this is a big one.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
He spoke up about issues. He spoke up about injustices.
He spoke up about things he believed in, things that
mattered to him. He stood on business and I think
lot of people will remember Greg Popovich for that, For
standing up for the rights of others, the marginalize, and
just community at large. Those are the things that I
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will think about it. Greg popovis even just necessarily away
from the five titles and the three Coaches of the Year.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Even the five titles, and I'm not trying to nitpick
and be petty. Never won back to back and five
championships over it spread out over twenty years. You think
that's great. Okay, that's fine, but that's not special. That's
not a three p that's not a dynasty. When you
win three out of four, three in a row, like
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five spread out over twenty years, it's great. I'm not
saying you wouldn't take the five championships. The difference is
when Derek Jeter and the Yankees were winning their five championships,
they won three out of four, they won three in
a row, and four out of five. When Dallas won
their Super Bowls and they were a dynasty, they won
three out of four Super Bowls when the page, do
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you see what I'm saying, like a dynasty. I'm not
discounting it. I don't want people to act like I'm
totally discounting it.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It's not special. It's not.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
And I think they were close enough, meaning winning an three,
winning and five and winning seven just that that run there,
I think that's close enough, you know, and then also
winning in ninety nine before that, So that's so crazy.
You got four titles just right there in a matter
of eight nine years.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Four and that's that's that's I'll take that any day.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That didn't even mention the one that they won later
in twenty fourteen. I believe it was so Yeah. I
just think it was remarkable and he did so many
many other things. I think the load management is absolutely.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
That's a black guy. That's a black guy on his resume.
It's a black guy on his resume.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I don't think it's a black guy for me because
I think he did it and justifiablybody else you're doing it.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Everybody else is doing it. It ain't doing it right.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
No, that just means you didn't buy tickets. If you
think that the load management is good, that means.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You part you.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Rob. Nobody was coming to see the Spurs anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
No, they weren't watching the Spurs naturally.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
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Kelvin will stick with the NBA and the Lakers in
the whole situation. I was curious about the Lebron injury.
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Of course, every time you lose in the playoffs, they reveal,
like the next day, something was wrong with Lebron.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
You know he was hurt. You know someone's wrong with Lebron. Really?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Oh thanks, you could have kept that to yourself, Hold
that to yourself. Okay, let him recover in can't coon?
We don't care, all right, But I'm dead serious here.
You know I have not been a JJ Redick fan.
I don't think he's a good coach, you don't say.
I think the Lakers made a huge, huge mistake in
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hiring an unproven commodity with the player like Lebron who's
forty at the end of his career, where the coach
is learning on the job, never never was a head
coach and college or high school. It doesn't make sense.
And we saw the mistakes, well you agree in the
first playoff round, some major, major mistakes. And here's my thinking.
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And you know this because you saw it in Detroit.
You had another young coach in Rick Carlisle, who got
the Pistons to fifty wins. Do you remember that second
round of the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah? I do.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And he was a promising coach. I actually covered Rick
Carlisle when he was a player with the New Jersey Nets.
I know Rick from way back when. So he was
a coach and he did a good job. And they
still made a change, you know, And that was because
Larry Brown became available. And Larry Brown hadn't won a
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championship to that point. Kelvin right, but he had always
turned around programs and they looked at it. Joe Dumars,
who was the run of the Pistons now with the Pelicans,
and looked at it and said, I have a chance
to upgrade my coaching right here and right now, and
I'm gonna move off of Rick Carlile and I'm gonna
Harry hire Larry Brown. What happened to Larry Brown in
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his first year with the Pistons championship?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
What about the second year?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Went back to the finals game seven, almost had a
shot of winning it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
My point is that there is a coach out there
available at the Lakers. If you're serious about winning and
you're saying to yourself, what can we do to be better?
We need Luca to be in better shape. We need
some big guys to protect the rim, we need some
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better bench players, and we need a new coach with experience.
And I'm telling you right here, right now, if I'm
Jeanie Buss or whatever, and I'm counting the money at
the bank or you know, get my hair done or
whatever she's doing, I would hire Mike Malone, as in yesterday,
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who was a really good coach at Denver, the winning
is coach at Denver, and who won.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
A championship just two years ago. It's two years were removed.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
From winning an NBA title. He's available if I'm the Lakers.
I'm interested. Anytime I can upgrade any position, I'm doing it.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
JJ, thank you. It was cool the first year.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
You know what, You might have a career coaching with
somebody else in another situation, But right here, right now,
we need ready. We need somebody who's already developed. We
don't need donuts or biscuits. That'sie doweye in the middle
because they're not fully cooked. That's what JJ Reddick is.
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He's not fully cooked. When you cut the biscuit, it's
Dowie in the middle.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You're not needing biscuits right now, raps, I'm talking about biscuits.
Give you a biscuit on your snare. No, right, God
knows I've had a biscuit in three months. Oh man.
Well all right, So a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I think JJ was thrust in a crazy situation, meaning
he's coming from doing TV, which wasn't as if he
was doing TV for ten years we all got a
customed to it.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
He's doing a TV for like a year and a half.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
He's doing a podcast with a guy he would eventually coach,
which made it weird.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And he's coaching.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Oh, I don't know, maybe the Marquis franchise in the
NBA with the Lakers, with the star player Lebron. So
he walked into a situation that was already going to be,
you know, all eyes on you, growing pains. You don't
get a lot of them because you're having them in
the public eye. I do not think they need to
get rid of him.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I was not.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I'm slightly indifferent. I'm not like meaning, I'm not running
around with JJ Pompom's on. But when I look at
what he was able to do fifty to thirty two
in a team that had won fifty wins, had fifty
wins since the twenty nineteen twenty twenty season, the year
in which they won the championship. There was a period
bri far Luca where they had won twenty of their
twenty out of twenty eight games and they were second
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defensive rating after New Year's Eve. This is a month
before looking well so plus what I'm saying is I
did and he got out coach, and he had to learn,
and he got out coached by a team that had
been hungry from the season before, feeling like they should
have been in the finals.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Instead of the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I do not think Rob Polinka did him any good
services as well, and who he had him being able
to being the grocery shopper, the groceries he gave JJ Reddick,
So I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna compete JJ
Popovich er JJ Jackson is in Phil Jackson. But I
want to see more. I want to give him more
of an opportunity. I want to see what he looks
like with a full offseason with Luki and Lebron and
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Austin Reeves as their core. Obviously, anything can happen over
the summer if they make trades, but as of now constructed,
that's their core. I would love to see a full
program with him and his assistant figure out. Okay, now
that we know what works, what does it? How do
we go into this next season. I love to be
fair and give him that moving forward and see what
they can do. But I think Rob Polinka has to
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go ahead and be better and make some moves to
make this a less flaud roster going up against a
Western conference that has deep teams. They may have a
very good two and stars in Luke and Lebron, but
they have no real death in comparison to the teams
that they'll be chasing. And a lot of these teams
are young. You're talking okay, see, they ain't going nowhere.
You're talking to the bulk of that Timberwolves team. They
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ain't going anywhere. And some more teams are on the
rise in the West as well that are young, that
aren't going anywhere so that they're gonna like the Rockets
for example, just to name another team. So I don't
mind JJ being there for another year fifty and thirty two.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I'm not gonna get rid of that guy who had
a team playing at a better clip than they had
been even before Luca came. I just think again, he
had to get those bumps, he had to get those bruises,
He had to not learn what and what not to
do in the postseason, because that's when you really gotta
go through that fire and hopefully it makes you better
from it. But he's wound tight. My concern is a
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little urban myrie ish no lap dance or no lap sitting,
but of the of the you know, just like having
hard issues and thinking too much. And I'm not wishing
this on him, but I'm saying, I'm serious when I
say can't sleep, and you hear him already.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I can't sleep last night. I couldn't do this. I
woke up at too in the morning.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Like, dude, it's a long season and you gotta deal
with a lot that comes with it, ups and downs
of the season, players getting into it, the media getting
on your nerves. Assistant coaches might not see how that
he's gotta find that's in. He better call Phil Jackson,
call Steve Kerr because he's not gonna make it multiple years,
four or five, six, ten years if he's gonna be
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this while tightly and high strung, so he definitely needs
to be able to find a little bit of that
bring it down a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Here's why I disagree with you.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I don't care what he did during the regular season
when it came time to this team isn't about the
regular season.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
It's about the postseason.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And when you have Luca and Lebron, you expect some results.
And the last thing you thought was that you would
be swept out so easily. And I know it's five games,
but knocked out of the playoffs so easily, uh, in
the first round.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
So to me.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
That was a failure and what was glaring was his
coaching mistakes. That's what I'm talking about. If they just
got beat and he did the right moves, Kelvin, then
then then your argument would be better for me. He
was out coached, he was taken to the woodshed. He
was he was made to be a Pinatas as far
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as coaching, he was bad.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
That smell. That's JJ Reddick, It really is.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
But Rob, here's where I here's where I agree, and
I think he would, you know, sit up here and
say he made some mistakes. You know, there were some
mistakes that were obvious throughout the series, but he also
had his team I'll play them for probably two thirds
of the series, right. But what I'm saying is he
wasn't out coach as if he just had no shot.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
It was never in this and it was just an embarrassment.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
He literally had him all play him and most of
the most of these games. To credit the Timber was
that they showed again this stat the fourth quarter was huge,
and that's a coaching that's where learning, and that's where
he had to go through that and learn. You have
to go through it. You're going up against a coach,
who's been through this, who went through last year, who
again thought he should be in the in the finals
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last year, who have a dog out and and uh
An Edwards in a bunch of guys who were hungry,
and JJ has to go through this and learn I
shouldn't have done this. Maybe I need to start Luca.
You know my theory. Start Luca on the elbow more.
He has nothing beat forty feet out from the basket, dribbling,
dribbling it all day. Maybe I need to have Lebron
understand we're gonna post you. You're literally this is the
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modern NBA. You're the fifth biggest person in the NBA.
This ain't the nineties where you'd be a small forward.
Maybe I should start you on the block. Whatever it
is his adjustments, he had to go through this to
find that out, find out what he does right, to
find out what he's does wrong, find out what his
team and his makeup.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
He's still learning Luca.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Who's gonna be if he's around five six years well,
that's gonna be his start. You gotta learn him and
what makes him better, what gets him going? So again
fifty and thirty two getting to the playoffs, third seed,
I'm not gonna just fire that guy. I am going
to make some adjustments for personnel. I am gonna hope
that he finds the adjustments to make this team better
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and what makes them.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Go more and uh, and then we'll do what we
do come to fall. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I just think the coaching is a glaring part of it,
and with a better coach, there could have been some adjustments.
They could have won that game four, tied this series
up with a better coach. And I just think if
there is a coach out.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
There taking Lou, if Lou want to come back, Tyron
Lewson are bad, our bad?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
We should have had you coming. Lay up.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
We we we blew it. We blew it. He said,
I'm coming, and so be it. You know I'm taking them. Yes,
there's a couple of guys I'll take, but I'm okay
on Mike Malone for right now.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
So, so you like eating gooey biscuits? Is that what
you're telling me with JJ Reddick?
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I like, if you just told me you have a
new recipe for the biscuits, and the biscuit is starting
not all right, and at the end you might have
burnt it just a little bit, But I see where
you're going.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I'm alright with that.
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I thought most radio shows got views.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Well, if they're lucky, they'll get up the word of
four hundred. Okay, I'm just saying I see some big
numbers something time. Okay, tomorrow, it might be that that
have you seen that Kelvin the Which one was that Alex?
The Yes, Lebron Lebron retire.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It might it might go up to one hundred thousand winds,
which is crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Coming up, man, Larry Junes says, numbers, numbers, trust me,
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Speaker 1 (28:42):
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Speaker 3 (28:50):
So we will definitely talk with Johnny Avello.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Who I go back thirty years was on my original
radio show back in the day, back in Wow.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I still can't believe that he's still like you somehow,
nobody nobody else who's.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Been around me for a long time as the like
me long term.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yes, hold up, uh man, all right, Well that I'm
looking forward to conversation with him and talking about some
trying to you know, talk some money with him. With
the lines are out there, Rob, I was thinking about
it watching his NBA playoffs now that we kind of
got some of the teams that are out, we still
got some teams obviously they are still going competing right now.
So I'm looking at this as there's a group of
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guys who are ringless, who remain in the NBA finals,
who I believe uh are in NBA playoffs that a
ring would do something for their career, or maybe it's not.
Maybe believe they got time. So for instance, maybe it's
aunt Jah, he's twenty four to twenty five. He finally
he's got plenty of time. SGA, he's got plenty of time.
Maybe it's Jalen Brunton. What could that do for New York?
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You got cat Towns, you got Donovan Mitchell, then you
We had some interesting ones as well, guys who've been
in the league for some time but they're still ringless.
I'm looking at James Harden, Russell Westbrook also, who was
the other one I had James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Jimmy Butler.
Jimmy Butler as well, been to a couple of finals,
took the heat there, tried his best, but hasn't been
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able to do it just out of coming some of
those guys.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Think about who it would be for you?
Speaker 4 (30:24):
For me, I think the answer and I thought about
there's a couple guys I looked at, but ultimately came
down to James Harden. I think James Harden, who played
incredible last night for the Clippers. I think it was
twenty eight points for him, got hot really early and
they made it. You could tell they made it a
focal point. They being Tyrone Lou to really get him
active and going. The reason I say is Harden. James
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Harden for a long time was an annual MVP candidate.
Some people feel he was robbed of a couple There
was an eight year period where he was one of
the greatest offensive weapons I've ever seen in my entire
life of watching the NBA. I love this sport, as
you know, I'm a fan, and I'm not saying he's
the greatest score.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I'm saying greatest weapon.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
You're talking about assist scoring, just controlling a game, tempo's
getting to the free throw line, step back threes where
he's really one of the really ones who kind of
elevated that the euro step. Obviously guys have been doing
it for years, but he kind of elevated that.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
He was amazing to see for so long.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
However, James Harden has had playoff shortcomings, playoffs where you'd say,
did he get tired, he disappeared, he didn't show up
what was going on. It's incredible, big game, absolutely big
games where usually even though Luca's gonna show Lebron Kobe
shat whatever, these steph whatever you guys.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
What was that Houston team Calvin when they missed twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Straight he was twenty seven straight threes.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
He had bad games where where you know, against this
when he was with the Rockets against the Spurs, and
remember Jenobii block blocked his last second shot to try
to win it. When he was in the NBA Finals
with the Oklahoma City Thunder. Now he was and he
was a sixth man, but he did he didn't perform
well there either.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
So for me, my answer is James Harden.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
This he's a Hall of Famer first ballot, one of
the best players of his generation. But for him to
have that ability to become a champion, to have that
ability to finally have that moment where he can hold
the trophy over his head and not be a guy who's,
you know, a tenth man on the team just hanging on,
you know, but this year is still one of the
guys on this team. It's Kawhi, it's him, you know.
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Obviously Norman Pole playing well, but he's still their guy.
James Harden, this is your year. Ride the cotails of Kawhi,
but also still do your thing. I think he would
benefit the most from winning a championship this year from
the guys who are still ringless.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Who you got see, I'm gonna push back on that pick. Okay,
they if they win, it's gonna be about Kawhi winning.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Maybe it will be.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
It will be about Kawhi because he's gonna be in
the mix. He's going to wind up, you know what
I mean, Like unless James Harden, James Harden really balls
out and he's the Finals m v P. Like, seriously,
who's going to get the most credit if the if
the Clippers went.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
But I don't think he needs to be finals MVP.
He just needs to be really good. Meaning but I'm
if he's Davis to Lebron in the bubble, you know
what I mean, where Lebron got it but Ad played
balled out, then I think that still goes.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
See, I don't think. I don't think James is going
to I don't think it's a bad thing. Don't get
me wrong now that if he wins a championship, but
I don't think it changes what people think because when
he was that dude, he couldn't get it done, and
then to have Kawhi there with him and he's played without.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Kawhi, you know what I mean, And and and it
didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
And that's why I think Kawhi would get most of
the credit. It would be great for James Harden, but
it wouldn't change who he is to people.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Do you get what James Harden is a man? No?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
No, it would be like, oh, that's nice at the
end of his career, he was able to get a championship.
But I just think that because that like Gary Payton,
can I say that Gary Payton?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I think in Miami he's still better than Gary was
at that point and you get point absolutely. I just
think for him to have that monkey off his back
to kind of be able to look KD.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Stephen, don't we make that drug reference. I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I don't get the monkey off, but I don't know
if it was maybe it was a lot of drugs
going on in the sixties and seventies.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Herol, Oh, yeah, that's where it comes from. I know.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
But to get that monkey off his back, man, and
just for me to just be able to look, like
I said, Steph and Draymond and Lebron and KD and
you know, Jannest kind of the guys, his ill kids,
his peers, his contemporaries, and say I got one too,
and I was a big time cogging that thing. Not
just you know, twelfth man clapping on the bench and
(34:49):
street clothes. No, I was the second best player on
a championship team. I think that would go vote well
for him. Who you got anybody? I mean, what else?
Anybody else out there? I got another guy who's thinking
you might like too bad, but I think hard for
me legacy wise, But I got another one I'll throw
at you in the second year.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, I just think SGA and those guys, no one's like,
oh my god, they have to win, you know what
I mean? And if they don't. And the same thing
with Butler. I mean, he's been around, he's had a
couple of chances. Unless again, the only way to me
it's a big deal for Butler is if he's the
MVP and he puts on a fantastic performance, do you
(35:27):
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
And then you say, well he did it.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
And what helped Kevin Durant was that Kevin Durant went
to the Warriors, but he was the finals MVP those
two championship don't.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Tell other people because they act like he was just
a man.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
It is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen, Like,
like the way the people they choked down a three
to one.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
And then he.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Beats Lebron might have two more championships if he didn't
go to the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
See, dude, we could do an entire two hour show
on that right there. How that changed so many people's legacies.
Lebron might have six, Steph might only have one, maybe two,
like and it looked It's just yeah, that was a
massive thing.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
I want to let me throw this one out at you.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
This one you might be like, I might get you
to scratch of hair on your chinny chin chin with
this one. Specifically, this season, if Jalen Brunson was able
to win one with New York and New York for
the Knicks, down Trodden hadn't won since the seventies A championship.
He's obviously one of the better players in the league.
Mister clutch Player of the Year this year. If for
(36:30):
some strange reason, he dragged like Dirko Dirko like Dirk
did to the Miami Heat, and if Jalen Brunson weren't
able to drag the Knicks teams to a finals and
win one. For some reason, he just did this miraculous
run that would be so huge for his legacy to
(36:51):
not only win it, but win it ball out unexpected.
It's not like you were one of the teams we
thought would do it and you did it. For the
next that would be huge. And I just thought, man,
Jalen Brunson, that would be massive if he were able
to just you know, like I said, a dirt team
or one of those Lebron teams, or you know, one
of those years where guys kind of dragged the team
(37:13):
that we didn't necessarily think we'll be able to do it,
and that would be amazing.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
If Jalen Brunson did.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
That, that would that would be fair because of the
history and the Knicks, even one since nineteen seventy three
or since Moby Dick was a guppy or whatever you
want to call it, and nobody's expecting him. He knocks
out the Celtics and then you know, continues on and
wins a championship.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I mean a long Nick fans have been dying. People
have been waiting so long.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Back now waiting my life.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I can die now, I mean you know that. Yeah,
when the Cubs won after one hundred something years. I
remember the old guys in the stands holding up signs,
you know, like I can.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I can die now, you know what I mean. It
was like wow, like.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
It was it was it was cool to see because
people do that, Like I think all sports fans say that,
can I see my team just win one? And I
know that's where Lions fans are going with am I right,
like like just want I just want one day my
team wins and I get to see what that's like
and all that experience it And that's the frustrating part.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
But that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Brunton, I think that I think he supersedes u uh Harden, Yeah,
because I think Kawhi would get the bulk of that.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
That would be it. I'd be incredible for him to
do that.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
And then you know, yeah, the other guys I think
again s g A and you know some of these
young guys, they have time to get to it. I
think we all believe, hey, you know, even if they
were to lose or fall this year, uh, they'd have
a shot
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