May 15, 2025 • 37 mins
Rob and Kelvin argue whether Caleb Williams and his camp were correct when they suggested that the NFL do away with the NFL Draft system, take Kevin Durant and A’Ja Wilson to task for suggesting that only certain people can criticize them as athletes, and use Rory McIlroy’s attitude towards his peers as a backdrop for a debate about whether or not a healthy animosity between competitors makes sports better.
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Seth Wickersham one of the great investigative reporters and authors
of this generation. He's gotten deep dives on the Patriots,
as you know, had a big bombshell on the Pete
Carrolls and the Seahawks with Russell Wilson, while his latest one,
he's had a book coming out focusing on the quote
American Kings, a biography of the quarterback focuses on a
series of quarterbacks and their histories and what's going on
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behind closed doors. One of the expert excerpts that's getting
a lot of attention today involves Caleb Williams, the franchise
quarterback of Chicago Bears. According to Wickersham, and the best
part is he's got quotes on the record from both
Caleb Williams and his father. But according to Wickersham, Kayla
was so concerned about being picked by the Bears first
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overall that he and his family weighed circumventing the entire
NFL draft, consulting with lawyers to figure out a way
around the least CBA, and also included the idea of
skipping the draft altogether and signing with the UFL instead.
According to Wickersham, Kaylab really wanted to play for the
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Minnesota Vikings, didn't want to play for the Bears, didn't
think that that was the franchise that would get his
career in the right trajectory, And according to Wickersham in
this book, one of the big reasons why they even
attempted to do this, which I didn't, was because Caleb Williams,
his dad, Carl, and everybody else in their camp have
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a fundamental distaste for the NFL draft process, the rookie
wat scale, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
The only thing I want to say, Kelvin, I'll let
you go first, as I agree the rookie wage scale
is a sham, and the players sold the other players
up the river that I agree with them.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean, you can add that to the list
of a couple of things I can understand the pay scale.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Again.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
It's one of those few things in life where I
thought it was a meritocracy. I thought it was, you know,
capitalistic society.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Somebody for everybody else's capitalism. I agree, And the players
were dumb enough, And I say that with all seriousness
any player. The NBA did it too, to the rookies
and the one year and all that, like they like,
they would sold this whole idea.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
It's not fair that you're gonna pay these guys and
play one down.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
If I'm worth it, I'm worth it.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yes, And if you don't think they're worth it, don't
pay them.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I don't know where people get this.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Well, well, I mean people are drafting these high school
don't draft them. Well, well, I don't want to pay
a rook then he ain't that guy or off from
what you believe? What did what did did Dallas Mavericks
just do? They said we was right? And what it
is the super half that.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Fifty we're not paying him? What did the Secramental Kings?
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Do Marcus Cousins get on him not paying him? It happens.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
You don't have to do this, But so that part
of it, I'll say this I completely understand. So I
think the challenge to me is when I can see
why Caleb and his father, and if you don't know
anything about them, they've been at this since he was
a literal kid, if you kind of know the history
of him and his father, they have mapped this entire
thing out. This isn't ah, he just happened to be
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good at football and Gi Golli sucks.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
How did we get here?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
They have mapped this out professionally, even while he was
in high school, even while he was in college. The
reason why they go to USC, the reason why they
stay another year at time, like they have mapped this
thing out literally to the teams and the way he's
done his nil they have everything measured. They don't want
certain money, they don't want certain companies, they want equity,
they don't want companies they don't believe in. So I
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had to do some things for them with this LA
Times today show that I do, and they are really
about this. Now I go there to say this because
I mentioned how into this they are, how orchestrated this is.
I can see why this is then frustrating. If we've
been orchestrating this since Pee wee football, and now things
are already predestined. And the reason why I can understand
why that will be frustrating, rob is because it's the
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only profession where if you're literally the best at what
you do, you don't have a choice or say in
your destiny. And what I mean by that is if
you are coming out of med school and you're projected
to be the best doctor, well that you have the
pick of the litter, what hospital do I want to
work at? If you are coming out of law school
and you have the pick of the litter, or which
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law firm do you want to go to? This is
the one time in life for a profession you're the
best of the best, your Heisman winner and you in
this one team who clearly was bad has landed you
and now your destiny at least part of it is
in their hands. And that I can understand, will be
frustrating for someone who is orchestrated and put everything into
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their life and career to get to this.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Point where well I have to go here? What if
where you're going?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
It's not about business and not about the business of winning.
We sometimes forget some teams are a okay making money, Hey,
we try to win a little bit, but hey, we
ain't going this far.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
We're not going to do all of this. We're not
going to buy into the system. We're gonna try to
win a little bit, but if it.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Don't work, we made fifty We made one hundred million
dollars just by being a team in the NFL this year.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
And your legacy can also be tied to a bad team.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And you go to a team for five, six, seven,
eight years and they're a team that doesn't want to win,
team that doesn't want to be about resources. And now
we look at you as a less than quarterback. You're
not that great. You were okay, or you were men.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
And last point, I'll make you rob the Chicago Bears
of one or two teams in the entire en who
what never had a quarterback who has.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Thrown for over four thousand yards? Right, So I can
see why you'll be worried going into that. This team
has not been great offensively and specifically with quarterbacks. The
other team, you know who that is the Jets, who
have also struggled over the years. And I can see
why a team and a father would be concerned with that.
So I'm not the draft process is the draft process.
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It is what it is, but apprehension, concern and one
of them maybe try to do something different. I can
see why the Williams would want to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well, they talk a big game. If they didn't want
to do that, he shouldn't have gone to the draft. Okay,
that's the only way you break that. So I think
it's total BS and Poppy Cup. Don't take your name
out of the draft.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Refuse to go.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
If you want to revolt against the draft, that's the
only way you break it. It's a part of the
collecting bargaining agreement. And the other part is which is
a cop out and BS is that you're talking about
doctors and lawyers. I'm the top of my class. I
could go wherever I want. Where's the competition factor? The
reason that the best players are going to the worst
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teams is because we don't want to repeat of what
we saw in the fifties and sixties when the Yankees,
the Green Bay Packers, the Montreal Canadians, and the Boston
Celtics won every year.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
That's not what we want.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Where the good teams keep getting the good players and nobody.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Else can compete. That's why the leagues.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
When some of the great teams are those eras, they
didn't sell out. Go look at what the attendances were
when the Celtics won all those championships. Guess what their
attendance went down. People saw it already. It was no competition.
Go look it up. They didn't sell out every night,
and they didn't you would think winning all those championships
it would.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Be a packed house. You need competition.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
That's the only reason why I believe in the draft system,
because good players can turn the fortunes around, and that's
what you want in a competitive league. If you're a doctor,
you're not competing against other doctors. If you're a lawyer,
there's no competition. But when you're in the league. Just
like people tried to talk Joe Burrow out of going
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to Cincinnati, and guess what he did. Instead of being
a part of the problem, he became a part of
the solution.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
And on his talent.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Even though they didn't win the Super Bowl, his talent
went to the next level. And you look at Joe
Burrow differently than other quarterbacks because the Bengals hadn't been
able to get there. They had been zero to seven
in their previous seven playoff games. He shows up in
year two after being hurt in year one, and what
did he do? Takes them to the super Bowl. That's
what you can get as a young player, and.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
You can't manipulate. Going to a good team.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
Is going to a good team to go into the
Cowboys twelve and three, three, twelve and twelve and four,
five to five, like three years in a row or
whatever they were, and they having one of them do
the NFC Championship game. They won twelve games, right, the
Packers win twelve games eleven games every year.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
They haven't been since twenty ten. The Steelers are a
good organization. They haven't gone. So how do you pick?
You can't pick, and you can try to finagle and
figure it out.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
That's why I think it's bs.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
If they were really serious about this, and I'm not
mad at them, if they really wanted to take the
challenge and break the draft.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
But the only way you do.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
That is when the top pick and the top picks
refuse to go along with it. That's how you get
things done. You could talk until you're blue in the face.
But they took the money, and they took the draft status,
and they walked across the stage. So to me, it's
just talk because it can be broken. But you gotta
be willing. In order to make real change in the world.
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You have to have a sacrifice. And if people aren't
willing to sacrifice, that's why things stay the same. It's
that simple.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
But I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
But I think what we're reading it's simply the thought
process that went into their decisions, and I again completely
can understand why they would consider these things. See what
a lot of what you said is is like if
you're going to the Steelers. I don't think this was
about where the cherry pick where I can go and specifically,
Oh I want to go to some already great team,
I want to back up Patrick Mahomes or something. I
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think this was about where I only team I don't
one of the only things I don't want to go
to that has had a bad history.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Have done about it. If he didn't want to go there,
what could he have done?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I mean, well, he could have done if he was
in a situation like the money and that, or like
a Kyler Murray, guy who played baseball, you know, John Elway.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
I have this other option. I'll go play baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Archie Manning was in there finagling for pay eli so
that he wouldn't have to go play for the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I believe it was at that time.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
So my yeah, My point is I can see why
they would consider it, not that they had to do it,
but why it would be a big deal behind the
scenes of man I don't want my son to go
somewhere that has been horrible.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
I think it's bs to just talk about it.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That's how you become a legend when you turn other
teams around, not going Kevin Durant doesn't get the credit
that he deserves because he went to a team that won,
even though he was the Finals MVP, right, and that.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
He doesn't get the credit.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So going to a team that's already in place or whatever,
that's not gonna get you what you're looking for.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
The glory is to go to Chicago.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Don't agree at all. I don't agree at all.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Put me in a stable situation that has shown the
formula to succeed so we can continue to do that.
If I've had an organization that's been around since like
nineteen oh five and you've never had a quarterback throw
for four thousand, yards.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Players that wanted to go to the Chicago Cubs when
they finally won a championship, And what did that have
to do with them? They were good and guess what
they did they won a championship.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Or the Red Sox that went eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Years without eighty three years without winning a championship, and
guess what those players who showed up did.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
They won?
Speaker 5 (11:58):
I mean, come on, no money, say no, you don't
have to. You're not the single person who has to
do that.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
If I'm going to an organization that has failed and
my legacy is tied to that, I can see why
they would be apprehension. Absolutely, especially when you're the best
at what you do. I completely see that, not at all.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
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Speaker 6 (12:27):
Come, let's go to the NBA. Yeah, and not I
guess it's the NBA, but athletes in general.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
You know, we talk. This is something that me and
you talk about a lot, and Rob g will have
you set this up for us. But you know, I
have always had issues with you know, a athletes trying
to be reporters and whatnot, and I don't think that
you know that they do a good job at that
analyzing the game.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
They're the best at it. They're out there, they know everything,
but sometimes.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Trying to be a jack of all trade as if
they're reporters doesn't always go well. But also their athletes
who are very I don't know, I guess the term
I would say is.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Arrogant.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Can I use the word dumb or uneducated or misguided
when they think that you actually have to.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Play in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
In order to talk about the NBA, Like I just
the whole concept of that, or like you have to
Kelvin be in a movie right and be a star
of a movie in order to write a critique about
whether you like the movie or not, Like, like that's
the they're athletes who think that you actually have to
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have played in order to have any say on basketball.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
You have to play at that level.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Despite the idea that I could name a ton of
coaches and players, Yeah, coach who have never played in
the NBA but are some of the greatest coaches and whatnot,
and all that kind of stuff is just mind.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Boggling, but Rob G set it up. KD was going
after some people at FS one. I think, right.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Well, I'm just gonna say that if I'm gonna keep
sitting up these stories, I about to get a tip
left at the table at one of these points, just
saying that's just popg.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Yes, I got a tip for you. Don't bet on
the races.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Okay, okay, So guys, you know, just to pull the
curtain back of America, we were gonna do this topic
yesterday in a much shorter form. That's because, as you
guys alluded to, Asia Wilson, the best player the WNBA,
the reigning MVP, went on a podcast. We're not gonna
play this sound here. But what she did say to
this person, I don't know if he's a reporter or what,
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but she said, reporters should be able to play the
sport that they're reporting on, and then maybe we can
dow it down, not necessarily to play the sport, but
play a sport so they can understand what they're talking about.
So that's what she said. You guys obviously disagree with that.
You mentioned it right now. How are you gonna tell
a film critic that they can't talk about movies because
they never made a movie for.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Us exactly right, or Bill Belichick can coach because he never.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Played exactly well.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Today, things jumped off the deep end because as great
as Aga Wilson is, and she's phenomenal. Kevin Durant, who
is not just one of the biggest stars in basketball,
one of the biggest stars in all of sports.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
He's NBA dead now but ahead took Umbradge with something
that Emmanuelaccho said on FS one when he suggested an
I rant that the Boston Celtics match up better with
the Knicks without Jason Tatum because Jalen Brown then becomes
the focal point.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And Jalen Brown is just a tougher player, not a
better player, but a tougher player than Jason Tatum. KD responded, quote,
hot take artists have ruined the sport football guys, no disrespect,
but y'all boys need to.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Stay in your lanes.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You don't know what it's like between the lines, man,
Give it a break. Do to quit football early, to
pursue media talking mental toughness, cut it out your thoughts, gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Oh wait a minute, I'm not supposed to go to
a show with all football players looking for NBA in sight?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
No, you're not.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Okay, go ahead, Kelvin, you can go first.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
All right.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
So this is a couple of couple of things that
I find interesting about specifically not even just Asia Wilson,
but specifically Kevin Durant being involved in this conversation. Number one,
that wasn't even the craziest take of all the things
that Aucho has ever said or anyone ever has ever
said on TV. His point being that Jalen Brown a
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little tougher, was attacking more, was playing up, was a
little more enthusiastic with the team. He's not better without
saw right, and he said he's the better player.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
He's a better player.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
But I mean, of all the things, was like okay
to go off and then to throw a little personal job,
as if to say out sho, you know quit now
you're trying to do that. That also made it interesting
because it wasn't just a take like hey man, you
don't know ball and that will be one thing. He
also made it personal. But this is my thing. We
just mentioned a couple of things here. The idea that
no one else can have a take on anything is
absolutely crazy because one thing I know Kevin Durant does
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weekly his go on FanDuel TV and talk about a
million other things other than NBA, including football. He talks
football all the time, and so as if, oh, now
he can't take talk football because he isn't playing football.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
He was a football fan, right, he loves watching team exactly.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
He loves Commanders.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
He talks about football all the time. He tweets about
football all the time. So now he can't talk about that.
So nobody can talk about movies, music, or TV because
we haven't made a movie, haven't made an album, or
didn't make a TV show.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
And nobody presidency either, right because they weren't president. So
you can't cover it exactly.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Hey, by the way, if you write for Bloomberg or
you write for the Wall Street Journal, any business, if
you haven't run a business, yes you can't be one
of the folks who write in those esteemed outlets as well.
So the idea of it is crazy that we just
can't do that. You already know this is what we do. Oh,
by the way, Kevin Durant, you do this to the
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tune that you had to have a burner account because
You jumped in any and every conversation about sports, about music,
about basketball, about football, You yourself jumped into all these conversations.
You yourself go back and forth with the people that
you had to have a Burner account. So I just
find that hilarious that he's just so flabberg acid that
people have opinions about certain things. And again maybe they
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didn't participate or play or run a company. So I
just find it the pot calling the kettle black when
this is what he's done consistently, whether it be on camera,
whether it be through his own account, whether it be
through burner accounts. He's always having these conversations, jumping in
and throwing his opinion.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
And lastly, Rob, watch this, Rob Parker, you know what
he just did.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
If he thought that was such an acidine hot take,
which okay, that's fine, that's his opinion. Him retweeting and
jumping in the conversation only at a fuel as much
as Hey, aucho, he's got a bigger following the me,
so I can't talk about him. Hey, he's got a
big follow, bigger follow on me. It ain't that big.
It ain't Kevin Durant big. Who Now by you talking
about it, you tweeting it. You just made that asinine
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hot take in your opinion. You just one hundredfold made
it bigger to the tune of one of the biggest
sports shows in America. Rob Parker, Kevin Washington hot couple.
Now we're talking about it. So now you're done, amplified
it and put fuel to it. So I just laugh
at the idea that at this point in time he
doesn't get people have opinions, People have shows, just like
when you walk in the barbershop and like he's done
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his whole life.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I know people like to talk about it his haircut.
That's not the point.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
He jumps in the conversations about sports, music, whatever, the
same way we all do.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
And you can do that, like make the point. This
is when people I talk about this all the time,
when they get blocked on my Twitter. If you want
to have a conversation or you disagree with my take,
I'm cool with that.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Make your argument, do you know what I mean? Make
your point that you want to make.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
When you get into name calling and trying to discredit
people and all this other stuff, that's when you get
blocked because I'm not good. We're not having a conversation,
you can't rebut what I'm saying, so all you do
is attack me up personally. So people always say, oh,
Rob can't take it. You're blocking people. Yeah, if you have,
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if you have a conversation, and just the whole notion
that athletes, you know, and here's where are athletes to me?
Not all?
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Okay, I'm never.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
In that avenue where I'm blaming or painting a broadbrush. First,
athletes complained about guys because we didn't play in the league.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Right, that was their.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
First the guy, who do you guys to tell me
I'm a scrub or I'm no good?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
They never made it to the Okay, that was it.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Then when Charles Barkley and Shaq and Kenny or any criticism,
they're old heads. They're jealous because of the money, do
you know what I mean? They don't want to be criticized.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
You can't, don't, right.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And and then you know, yeah Perkins, Kendrick Perkins. Right,
then it then it's if he's critical, well he's no,
he wasn't that good, so he can't really talk.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I mean, like Hall of Famer Charles Barkley or somebody
says that that he's a younger player playing. Well, you
weren't good enough. You knew it well, Rob, you didn't
play man?
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Who do you do?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
You want to just sit next to you and Lebron
and just are and critique each other.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Is that it? Hey? What did I do?
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
KD? What I do? Bro?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Like?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
What? What do you want?
Speaker 6 (21:51):
It's comical?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It is comic cool where we are that people are
so thin skin and they can't take criticism. I just
it's it doesn't stop me if somebody doesn't want to
talk to me or yell at me or whatever.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
I've been yelled at. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I've been yelled at before. I'm okay with it. Don't
be physical, don't touch me. You can yell at me
all you want. It's not gonna stop me from doing
what I do. I don't work for the team. I
don't work for the players. I'm not a fan. I'm
not into that. I could care less. I'm wanna be fair, honest,
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and when you're great, I'll tell you you're great.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah, I'm just blown away. Rob again, specifically having a
Kevin Durant conversation, a guy who I don't know, I
mean him to be as big as he is Lebron,
I would probably parsons. I'm blown away at how involved
they are in social media, not that they don't peak.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Look, we're all voyeuristic, we all look peek.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I'm not mad at that. I get that twenty twenty
five does we all do it? But how how engaged
they are with even things that are negative or things
they don't agree with, even things they go out and
sought rob It's not even as if it came to
Kevin Durant if that was Jason Tatum, who's going through
it right now, torn his achilles, his team is losing
right now in the series. He's sick, he's mad, he's upset. Okay,
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I think he was in his feelings. But for Kevin
Durrant to jump out the window for Jason Tatum, he
has got nothing to do with him.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
He ain't even in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
And then again, this is the guy who is for
years jumped in any and every conversation by way of
real accounts, fank accounts, picking account I just find that
part interesting. And again that he would then amplify a
thought that he didn't agree with.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
With.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Again, this wasn't the craziest wildest thing I've ever heard too.
It wasn't like he said NBA players are soft, they're
all this and they're all spoiled and they don't know
what to do with their money or some words like
all right, that was a little over the top and personal,
but like just his opinion that they played harder with
Jalen Brown, Oh okay, that was That's the one that
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got you riled up.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
That's the one that made you actually go again.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Maybe him an auto got some personal because again for
him to say football players who quit and want to
talk about being mentally tough, I'm like, all right, well,
that must be some personal stuff up in there.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
I just find it.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yes, yeah, maybe there's some beefs, some Texas beef for something.
But I just again, Kevin Durant always infuses himself in
so many different conversations and music and movies and choosing
beefs and and and comment section of things that I
just find it interesting, Like you are the one who
are getting set about opinions, yet you again always interject
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your opinion about things. So the Tony even football regularly,
which that's cool. You love football, No, not a big deal.
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Speaker 4 (24:51):
You know, Rob, we have so many different stories about
how athletes will you and I talk about one of
them in the NBA being honest, how he kind of
subscribes to that, I don't want friends. I don't want
to be talking to everybody. Another one would be Lamar
Jackson kind of the whole. I ain't trying to be
friends with all these quarterbacks and all that he happens
even in golf.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Apparently, ry McElroy said, I ain't.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Trying to be anybody's best mate when I'm competing. And
that was, of course as Bryson Deshambeau and him uh
was set to play together and it set to play
together again, and everybody was questioning, Hey, at the Masters
last month, you didn't really seem to be cordial, you
didn't really seem to be talking with And he talked
about how he and his sports therapist locked in, like, Yo,
we need you to be locked in, we need you
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to be focused on you, and that's going to be
the difference.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
And and end ultimately ended up being successful for him.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
But the idea that you know, I have to not
be I have to be enemies, I have to not socialize.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
I feel like we over state that.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I feel like in maybe Roy's case, it worked because
golf is a singular sport, right. It's a sport where
you're by yourself. You're literally on your own, can't depend
know to anybody else. I gotta lock it and focus
because it's my score versus their score. I can understand that,
but it kind of makes me laugh rob how we're
making it as if you're not competitive and if you're taught,
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if you have friends.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
You're not competitive.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
If you know other guys within the league, are no
other guys who you're cool with the enemy if you will.
And I think we sometimes go back to the old
days of the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
If you look at the NBA, and man, they were
hard nos.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
They didn't take it from nobody, They weren't fratnizing, they
weren't friends. I get the aau theory that happens nowadays,
but pumped up breaks a little bit. And I say
that because we are starting to lionize, we're starting to
glorify them a little bit as if they weren't literally
friends and in some cases best friends. I gave you
a couple examples, Rob you can be friends and be
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competitive when you're in between the lines. I think that's
what we're asking for, meaning I don't care about your
personal life, who you know, who, family going they can
I give an example of Isaiah Thomas and Magic Johnson,
who are literally best friends like family, spending the weekends together,
going trips together across the world, go on tour and
concert tours with Michael Jackson. And they played against each
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other obviously as we know regularly, and but yet they
were friends. Now obviously they fell out for a while
and were.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Able to rekindle that.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
But the idea that Michael Jordan didn't have any friends,
he didn't talk to anybody such and such as a
competitor because he knows.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
People, man, stop it.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Michael Jordan, as we saw in the Last Dance, is
chopping it up with Larry Bird, chapping it up with
Magic Johnson after games, meeting him in the tunnel to
the tune up, even going to golf with Danny Ainge
while they're competing in a playoff series yo, after the game,
what you got up Tomorrow, I'm going to golf and
to the tune of Danny Ainge beating him on the
golf course taking his money and Michael Jordan puts sixty
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three on their head to the next game in a loss.
With that epic game where he puts sixty three on them.
Man Larry Bird says, that's God in a bulls jersey.
So I don't like the idea that it's either or rob,
like you can't be cool with guys, have relationship with
a guy, and now you're not competitive And I completely
get on the court. I need to see competitive fight.
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I need to see that you both were there and
you want to smoke. But the idea that these people
aren't friends, like Barkley and Jordan weren't best friends for years,
Like Jordan wasn't friends with Patrick Ewing as you know,
being in New York, and he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Tight with Charles Oakley and so on and so forth.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
I just did Charles Oakley play together though.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Well, I know, back in early days of Chicago.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
But my point is they act as if you can't
be cool with people, you can't have relationship with people,
and their families and all of a sudden, you're not
competitive or you're not about that life if you do. Now,
I agree this new school has gone too far with
the fratnising in our face, trading jerseys and and and
you know, hanging out and all of that. And because
I believe this starts with the AAU, but just we
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we go a little too far with back in the day.
And look how hard he was and gritty and he
didn't have any friends. He didn't talk to anybody. Man,
we come to find out Kobe Bryant had a lot
of people he was really tired with, care about, mentored,
you know, behind the scenes, if you will. So that's
that's my thing on this is sometimes I think we
go too far with the either or you're not competitive
if you have relationships with people.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I don't know that I disagree. I think it's way
out of out of control right now.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
And you touched on it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
The AAU there used to be a thing, and this
is where we talk about the competitive fire and balance.
You used to want to be the best basketball player
in the city of Detroit. Now the AAU strings together
the three or four best players on one team.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
You beat up nobody.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Right, and and and there's not that competitive balance of
wanting or a competitiveness of wanting to be the best.
I want to be the guy. I don't want to
be on somebody else's team. I don't want to gang
up with somebody else. I want to be my own.
That's why I respect Giannis a lot not to want
to be a part of that and to win a
championship on his own without having to go and ain
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Miami because they knocked him out of the playoffs or
whatever it was. He decided to do his own thing.
And here's the problem that I think you're missing is
that people can manipulate you when you fall into that.
And you talked about it with all the jersey swapping
and all this other stuff. Draymond Green has been neutered
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by Lebron James. I'm just I'm gonna has been neutered.
He went from kicking Lebron and the junk and right
and all that to now he's a yes man for Lebron.
He's the Lebron, is this, Lebron is that? And he
won't touch Lebron when they you know, like they're not
it is not the same. And he treats Lebron differently
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when it plays compared to before. Will you agree with
that or not give me that?
Speaker 4 (30:49):
No?
Speaker 5 (30:49):
No, no, And I don't think anybody can deny that.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
And that's what I'm talking about with you.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Gotta be careful not to fall for that Oakie doak,
which is to soften you up.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
You're cool. I'm gonna let you in on this. You're
gonna come to these parts, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
And then that was a great Yeah, I totally agree
with you on this. I think what happened here, Rob
is once you start idolizing like the business, and yes,
that's when it gets weird. But I don't you know
that just we're cool guys, we're friends. I know that's
not Raymond. Yeah, these guys got too they're too locked
into the other stuff, Like, oh, look, how you're being
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a mogul. I want to be like you because you're
a mogul and you're running this ship and running this.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
But that affects your basketball and that's the problem, is
what I'm saying. His aggressiveness and the way he treats
Lebron on the court compared to before is.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Totally just saying he's laying them down now instead of
just slamming him. Here you go, King, I'm gonna lay
you down real quick. Yeah to you.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
He got he got on. He don't even have not
kid gloves. He has kid mittens.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
You don't even those gloves you're using your charity boxing match.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
You know what I mean, those big gloves that I
had to knock Terry Lost around.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
But you know what a grit. But I'm gonna go
with what I mean by this. I think a great
example of it. And we keep singing his praises in
the multitude of ways. Anthony Edwards, He's the perfect balance.
I'm cool with Steph and Lebron and these guys I'm
on the USA team.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
I love them, I know their family. But you about
to get this smoke in between these white lines, in
between the ninety four feet court. I want to.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Dust you off, Katie, my favorite player all team, Come
get of all time. Come get the smoke. Steph, get
the smoke, Lebron, get the smoke. Yo kids, get the smoke.
Last year. And I think he's the perfect balance of
what I mean of you can be cool with people
but absolutely want to annihilate them. And I do think
there was an era where guys got lost with that,
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where guys kind of just they lost the competitive edge
and they just were like, I'm just happy to be here.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
I'm making good money and this is pretty dope. I'm
in the.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
NBA and I'm excited because you get guys who seemingly
got a little bit that old school in him, like that.
Jaylen Brown is a guy like that, got a lot
of respect for people, but I want to beat you
and bust your head, and I don't havesarily to be
friendly on this court. Jalen Brunton has a little bit
of that. Again, Anthony Ette was really being the king
of that. So I'm optimistic that some of these young
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guys are getting back to the man.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
We can be cool, I can we can be.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Playing Madden Online and all this stuff and whatever else
they play online, Halo. I don't know, uh call of duty,
but when it comes to being competitive, when it comes
to this playoff series, I'm trying to destroy you.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
I'm trying to take your.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Head off, and then I'll call you and check on
your mama during the summer.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
And I think I don't I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Think that I think that that's adulic kid. I can
remember Magic, even Magic and Bird who kissed during the playoffs,
okay on the cheek. Before the games they got into it.
There were there were elbows and blood and and bruises.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
So so when they were on the court, they did
go at it and compete. And that's why people didn't
like totally go like, oh well, Isaiah's soft or Magic
or Magic soft on on all right, eye open, No,
I know. And that's what I'm trying to say. But
I think today there's more idle idol worshiping and more
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where people are just way too There's a time and
a place for all that and to admire somebody, but
you don't need to be up under them or think
that they walk on water. And I think that's where
And it's like we talk about it in the media today.
I say it all the time. There's a lot of
media members now who are fanboys. I'm saying it. I've
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been in this business for forty years, and they're rooting
for people, and they want people to win, and they're
mad when the Lakers getting knocked out. They think like
they were on the team or something. And and there's
a lot of players as well, who are You can't
idolize people who you're trying to defeat.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
And that's why I think Lebron got to Draymond.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
To me, that's the best example of changing somebody by
bringing him into your inner circle, right, showing him some
things that he admires of what you're doing, and then
you're all on board. Like the idea that he would
even uh talk about him being the goat and the
greatest player while they're still competitors is mind boggling to me.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I'm trying to beat him and win as minutes championships
as I can when I'm retired. And you want to
ask me all that, that's fine. But he's going around
campaigning for Lebron like campaigning.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
That's a Draymond. Draymond is the two extremes.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
He's putting Rudy Gobert in a choke hold, and he
is team Lebron with pompoms. It is a is a
great it is those are the two because he is
laying everybody else out elbow knocking them out, punching them,
choking them out. And that's not the case Lebron. But
but yeah, just for me to some minds that.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
I just I think what but Roy McElroy's doing is
what he needed to do to lock in and focus,
especially considering all the failures he had had getting so
close but no cigar there at the Masters, And if
that's what he needed to do again in a singular sport,
I'm not mad at that, but the idea, I just
think that sometimes we overseell the that they didn't hated
each other back in the day, Like, no, you had
a couple of people who didn't wat each other, but
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those guys got They were all ultra competitive on the
court and absolutely went for a blood for blood, blow
for blow, and I loved it.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
You loved it, We all loved it.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
I'll give you one example I want to share. Yeah,
I want to forget this.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
In baseball, Like the players in the NBA, they going
to each other's locker room and hug, help each other
and all that stuff. Dude, when I covered baseball on
the day, a visiting player could never come into their
clubout like, I don't care who you were, who he
was coming to see, you know what I mean? He
could be coming to see Aaron Judge. You're gonna take
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that outside. There's no way you're coming into it like seriously,
they would fight their teammate for them to try to
bring somebody another team, you know, a player from another
team into their clubhouse.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
That's it was supposed to be. This is our place.
I don't care what you have.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
And I'm not saying that you're trying to hurt people
and all that, but you got to keep a distance
if you're trying to beat somebody. If you get too close,
you let your guard down. And that's what's happened to
uh drey Mon.
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Seth Wickersham one of the great investigative reporters and authors
of this generation. He's gotten deep dives on the Patriots,
as you know, had a big bombshell on the Pete
Carrolls and the Seahawks with Russell Wilson, while his latest one,
he's had a book coming out focusing on the quote
American Kings, a biography of the quarterback focuses on a
series of quarterbacks and their histories and what's going on
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behind closed doors. One of the expert excerpts that's getting
a lot of attention today involves Caleb Williams, the franchise
quarterback of Chicago Bears. According to Wickersham, and the best
part is he's got quotes on the record from both
Caleb Williams and his father. But according to Wickersham, Kayla
was so concerned about being picked by the Bears first
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overall that he and his family weighed circumventing the entire
NFL draft, consulting with lawyers to figure out a way
around the least CBA, and also included the idea of
skipping the draft altogether and signing with the UFL instead.
According to Wickersham, Kaylab really wanted to play for the
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Minnesota Vikings, didn't want to play for the Bears, didn't
think that that was the franchise that would get his
career in the right trajectory, And according to Wickersham in
this book, one of the big reasons why they even
attempted to do this, which I didn't, was because Caleb Williams,
his dad, Carl, and everybody else in their camp have
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a fundamental distaste for the NFL draft process, the rookie
wat scale, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
The only thing I want to say, Kelvin, I'll let
you go first, as I agree the rookie wage scale
is a sham, and the players sold the other players
up the river that I agree with them.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean, you can add that to the list
of a couple of things I can understand the pay scale.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Again.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
It's one of those few things in life where I
thought it was a meritocracy. I thought it was, you know,
capitalistic society.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Somebody for everybody else's capitalism. I agree, And the players
were dumb enough, And I say that with all seriousness
any player. The NBA did it too, to the rookies
and the one year and all that, like they like,
they would sold this whole idea.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
It's not fair that you're gonna pay these guys and
play one down.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
If I'm worth it, I'm worth it.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yes, And if you don't think they're worth it, don't
pay them.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I don't know where people get this.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Well, well, I mean people are drafting these high school
don't draft them. Well, well, I don't want to pay
a rook then he ain't that guy or off from
what you believe? What did what did did Dallas Mavericks
just do? They said we was right? And what it
is the super half that.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Fifty we're not paying him? What did the Secramental Kings?
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Do Marcus Cousins get on him not paying him? It happens.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
You don't have to do this, But so that part
of it, I'll say this I completely understand. So I
think the challenge to me is when I can see
why Caleb and his father, and if you don't know
anything about them, they've been at this since he was
a literal kid, if you kind of know the history
of him and his father, they have mapped this entire
thing out. This isn't ah, he just happened to be
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good at football and Gi Golli sucks.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
How did we get here?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
They have mapped this out professionally, even while he was
in high school, even while he was in college. The
reason why they go to USC, the reason why they
stay another year at time, like they have mapped this
thing out literally to the teams and the way he's
done his nil they have everything measured. They don't want
certain money, they don't want certain companies, they want equity,
they don't want companies they don't believe in. So I
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had to do some things for them with this LA
Times today show that I do, and they are really
about this. Now I go there to say this because
I mentioned how into this they are, how orchestrated this is.
I can see why this is then frustrating. If we've
been orchestrating this since Pee wee football, and now things
are already predestined. And the reason why I can understand
why that will be frustrating, rob is because it's the
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only profession where if you're literally the best at what
you do, you don't have a choice or say in
your destiny. And what I mean by that is if
you are coming out of med school and you're projected
to be the best doctor, well that you have the
pick of the litter, what hospital do I want to
work at? If you are coming out of law school
and you have the pick of the litter, or which
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law firm do you want to go to? This is
the one time in life for a profession you're the
best of the best, your Heisman winner and you in
this one team who clearly was bad has landed you
and now your destiny at least part of it is
in their hands. And that I can understand, will be
frustrating for someone who is orchestrated and put everything into
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their life and career to get to this.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Point where well I have to go here? What if
where you're going?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
It's not about business and not about the business of winning.
We sometimes forget some teams are a okay making money, Hey,
we try to win a little bit, but hey, we
ain't going this far.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
We're not going to do all of this. We're not
going to buy into the system. We're gonna try to
win a little bit, but if it.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Don't work, we made fifty We made one hundred million
dollars just by being a team in the NFL this year.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
And your legacy can also be tied to a bad team.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And you go to a team for five, six, seven,
eight years and they're a team that doesn't want to win,
team that doesn't want to be about resources. And now
we look at you as a less than quarterback. You're
not that great. You were okay, or you were men.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
And last point, I'll make you rob the Chicago Bears
of one or two teams in the entire en who
what never had a quarterback who has.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Thrown for over four thousand yards? Right, So I can
see why you'll be worried going into that. This team
has not been great offensively and specifically with quarterbacks. The
other team, you know who that is the Jets, who
have also struggled over the years. And I can see
why a team and a father would be concerned with that.
So I'm not the draft process is the draft process.
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It is what it is, but apprehension, concern and one
of them maybe try to do something different. I can
see why the Williams would want to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well, they talk a big game. If they didn't want
to do that, he shouldn't have gone to the draft. Okay,
that's the only way you break that. So I think
it's total BS and Poppy Cup. Don't take your name
out of the draft.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Refuse to go.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
If you want to revolt against the draft, that's the
only way you break it. It's a part of the
collecting bargaining agreement. And the other part is which is
a cop out and BS is that you're talking about
doctors and lawyers. I'm the top of my class. I
could go wherever I want. Where's the competition factor? The
reason that the best players are going to the worst
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teams is because we don't want to repeat of what
we saw in the fifties and sixties when the Yankees,
the Green Bay Packers, the Montreal Canadians, and the Boston
Celtics won every year.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
That's not what we want.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Where the good teams keep getting the good players and nobody.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Else can compete. That's why the leagues.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
When some of the great teams are those eras, they
didn't sell out. Go look at what the attendances were
when the Celtics won all those championships. Guess what their
attendance went down. People saw it already. It was no competition.
Go look it up. They didn't sell out every night,
and they didn't you would think winning all those championships
it would.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Be a packed house. You need competition.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
That's the only reason why I believe in the draft system,
because good players can turn the fortunes around, and that's
what you want in a competitive league. If you're a doctor,
you're not competing against other doctors. If you're a lawyer,
there's no competition. But when you're in the league. Just
like people tried to talk Joe Burrow out of going
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to Cincinnati, and guess what he did. Instead of being
a part of the problem, he became a part of
the solution.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
And on his talent.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Even though they didn't win the Super Bowl, his talent
went to the next level. And you look at Joe
Burrow differently than other quarterbacks because the Bengals hadn't been
able to get there. They had been zero to seven
in their previous seven playoff games. He shows up in
year two after being hurt in year one, and what
did he do? Takes them to the super Bowl. That's
what you can get as a young player, and.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
You can't manipulate. Going to a good team.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
Is going to a good team to go into the
Cowboys twelve and three, three, twelve and twelve and four,
five to five, like three years in a row or
whatever they were, and they having one of them do
the NFC Championship game. They won twelve games, right, the
Packers win twelve games eleven games every year.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
They haven't been since twenty ten. The Steelers are a
good organization. They haven't gone. So how do you pick?
You can't pick, and you can try to finagle and
figure it out.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
That's why I think it's bs.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
If they were really serious about this, and I'm not
mad at them, if they really wanted to take the
challenge and break the draft.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
But the only way you do.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
That is when the top pick and the top picks
refuse to go along with it. That's how you get
things done. You could talk until you're blue in the face.
But they took the money, and they took the draft status,
and they walked across the stage. So to me, it's
just talk because it can be broken. But you gotta
be willing. In order to make real change in the world.
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You have to have a sacrifice. And if people aren't
willing to sacrifice, that's why things stay the same. It's
that simple.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
But I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
But I think what we're reading it's simply the thought
process that went into their decisions, and I again completely
can understand why they would consider these things. See what
a lot of what you said is is like if
you're going to the Steelers. I don't think this was
about where the cherry pick where I can go and specifically,
Oh I want to go to some already great team,
I want to back up Patrick Mahomes or something. I
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think this was about where I only team I don't
one of the only things I don't want to go
to that has had a bad history.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Have done about it. If he didn't want to go there,
what could he have done?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I mean, well, he could have done if he was
in a situation like the money and that, or like
a Kyler Murray, guy who played baseball, you know, John Elway.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
I have this other option. I'll go play baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Archie Manning was in there finagling for pay eli so
that he wouldn't have to go play for the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I believe it was at that time.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
So my yeah, My point is I can see why
they would consider it, not that they had to do it,
but why it would be a big deal behind the
scenes of man I don't want my son to go
somewhere that has been horrible.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
I think it's bs to just talk about it.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That's how you become a legend when you turn other
teams around, not going Kevin Durant doesn't get the credit
that he deserves because he went to a team that won,
even though he was the Finals MVP, right, and that.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
He doesn't get the credit.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So going to a team that's already in place or whatever,
that's not gonna get you what you're looking for.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
The glory is to go to Chicago.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Don't agree at all. I don't agree at all.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Put me in a stable situation that has shown the
formula to succeed so we can continue to do that.
If I've had an organization that's been around since like
nineteen oh five and you've never had a quarterback throw
for four thousand, yards.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Players that wanted to go to the Chicago Cubs when
they finally won a championship, And what did that have
to do with them? They were good and guess what
they did they won a championship.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Or the Red Sox that went eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Years without eighty three years without winning a championship, and
guess what those players who showed up did.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
They won?
Speaker 5 (11:58):
I mean, come on, no money, say no, you don't
have to. You're not the single person who has to
do that.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
If I'm going to an organization that has failed and
my legacy is tied to that, I can see why
they would be apprehension. Absolutely, especially when you're the best
at what you do. I completely see that, not at all.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
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Speaker 6 (12:27):
Come, let's go to the NBA. Yeah, and not I
guess it's the NBA, but athletes in general.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
You know, we talk. This is something that me and
you talk about a lot, and Rob g will have
you set this up for us. But you know, I
have always had issues with you know, a athletes trying
to be reporters and whatnot, and I don't think that
you know that they do a good job at that
analyzing the game.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
They're the best at it. They're out there, they know everything,
but sometimes.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Trying to be a jack of all trade as if
they're reporters doesn't always go well. But also their athletes
who are very I don't know, I guess the term
I would say is.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Arrogant.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Can I use the word dumb or uneducated or misguided
when they think that you actually have to.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Play in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
In order to talk about the NBA, Like I just
the whole concept of that, or like you have to
Kelvin be in a movie right and be a star
of a movie in order to write a critique about
whether you like the movie or not, Like, like that's
the they're athletes who think that you actually have to
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have played in order to have any say on basketball.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
You have to play at that level.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Despite the idea that I could name a ton of
coaches and players, Yeah, coach who have never played in
the NBA but are some of the greatest coaches and whatnot,
and all that kind of stuff is just mind.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Boggling, but Rob G set it up. KD was going
after some people at FS one. I think, right.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Well, I'm just gonna say that if I'm gonna keep
sitting up these stories, I about to get a tip
left at the table at one of these points, just
saying that's just popg.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Yes, I got a tip for you. Don't bet on
the races.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Okay, okay, So guys, you know, just to pull the
curtain back of America, we were gonna do this topic
yesterday in a much shorter form. That's because, as you
guys alluded to, Asia Wilson, the best player the WNBA,
the reigning MVP, went on a podcast. We're not gonna
play this sound here. But what she did say to
this person, I don't know if he's a reporter or what,
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but she said, reporters should be able to play the
sport that they're reporting on, and then maybe we can
dow it down, not necessarily to play the sport, but
play a sport so they can understand what they're talking about.
So that's what she said. You guys obviously disagree with that.
You mentioned it right now. How are you gonna tell
a film critic that they can't talk about movies because
they never made a movie for.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Us exactly right, or Bill Belichick can coach because he never.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Played exactly well.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Today, things jumped off the deep end because as great
as Aga Wilson is, and she's phenomenal. Kevin Durant, who
is not just one of the biggest stars in basketball,
one of the biggest stars in all of sports.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
He's NBA dead now but ahead took Umbradge with something
that Emmanuelaccho said on FS one when he suggested an
I rant that the Boston Celtics match up better with
the Knicks without Jason Tatum because Jalen Brown then becomes
the focal point.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And Jalen Brown is just a tougher player, not a
better player, but a tougher player than Jason Tatum. KD responded, quote,
hot take artists have ruined the sport football guys, no disrespect,
but y'all boys need to.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Stay in your lanes.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You don't know what it's like between the lines, man,
Give it a break. Do to quit football early, to
pursue media talking mental toughness, cut it out your thoughts, gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Oh wait a minute, I'm not supposed to go to
a show with all football players looking for NBA in sight?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
No, you're not.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Okay, go ahead, Kelvin, you can go first.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
All right.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
So this is a couple of couple of things that
I find interesting about specifically not even just Asia Wilson,
but specifically Kevin Durant being involved in this conversation. Number one,
that wasn't even the craziest take of all the things
that Aucho has ever said or anyone ever has ever
said on TV. His point being that Jalen Brown a
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little tougher, was attacking more, was playing up, was a
little more enthusiastic with the team. He's not better without
saw right, and he said he's the better player.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
He's a better player.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
But I mean, of all the things, was like okay
to go off and then to throw a little personal job,
as if to say out sho, you know quit now
you're trying to do that. That also made it interesting
because it wasn't just a take like hey man, you
don't know ball and that will be one thing. He
also made it personal. But this is my thing. We
just mentioned a couple of things here. The idea that
no one else can have a take on anything is
absolutely crazy because one thing I know Kevin Durant does
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weekly his go on FanDuel TV and talk about a
million other things other than NBA, including football. He talks
football all the time, and so as if, oh, now
he can't take talk football because he isn't playing football.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
He was a football fan, right, he loves watching team exactly.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
He loves Commanders.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
He talks about football all the time. He tweets about
football all the time. So now he can't talk about that.
So nobody can talk about movies, music, or TV because
we haven't made a movie, haven't made an album, or
didn't make a TV show.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
And nobody presidency either, right because they weren't president. So
you can't cover it exactly.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Hey, by the way, if you write for Bloomberg or
you write for the Wall Street Journal, any business, if
you haven't run a business, yes you can't be one
of the folks who write in those esteemed outlets as well.
So the idea of it is crazy that we just
can't do that. You already know this is what we do. Oh,
by the way, Kevin Durant, you do this to the
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tune that you had to have a burner account because
You jumped in any and every conversation about sports, about music,
about basketball, about football, You yourself jumped into all these conversations.
You yourself go back and forth with the people that
you had to have a Burner account. So I just
find that hilarious that he's just so flabberg acid that
people have opinions about certain things. And again maybe they
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didn't participate or play or run a company. So I
just find it the pot calling the kettle black when
this is what he's done consistently, whether it be on camera,
whether it be through his own account, whether it be
through burner accounts. He's always having these conversations, jumping in
and throwing his opinion.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
And lastly, Rob, watch this, Rob Parker, you know what
he just did.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
If he thought that was such an acidine hot take,
which okay, that's fine, that's his opinion. Him retweeting and
jumping in the conversation only at a fuel as much
as Hey, aucho, he's got a bigger following the me,
so I can't talk about him. Hey, he's got a
big follow, bigger follow on me. It ain't that big.
It ain't Kevin Durant big. Who Now by you talking
about it, you tweeting it. You just made that asinine
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hot take in your opinion. You just one hundredfold made
it bigger to the tune of one of the biggest
sports shows in America. Rob Parker, Kevin Washington hot couple.
Now we're talking about it. So now you're done, amplified
it and put fuel to it. So I just laugh
at the idea that at this point in time he
doesn't get people have opinions, People have shows, just like
when you walk in the barbershop and like he's done
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his whole life.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I know people like to talk about it his haircut.
That's not the point.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
He jumps in the conversations about sports, music, whatever, the
same way we all do.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
And you can do that, like make the point. This
is when people I talk about this all the time,
when they get blocked on my Twitter. If you want
to have a conversation or you disagree with my take,
I'm cool with that.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Make your argument, do you know what I mean? Make
your point that you want to make.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
When you get into name calling and trying to discredit
people and all this other stuff, that's when you get
blocked because I'm not good. We're not having a conversation,
you can't rebut what I'm saying, so all you do
is attack me up personally. So people always say, oh,
Rob can't take it. You're blocking people. Yeah, if you have,
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if you have a conversation, and just the whole notion
that athletes, you know, and here's where are athletes to me?
Not all?
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Okay, I'm never.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
In that avenue where I'm blaming or painting a broadbrush. First,
athletes complained about guys because we didn't play in the league.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Right, that was their.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
First the guy, who do you guys to tell me
I'm a scrub or I'm no good?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
They never made it to the Okay, that was it.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Then when Charles Barkley and Shaq and Kenny or any criticism,
they're old heads. They're jealous because of the money, do
you know what I mean? They don't want to be criticized.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
You can't, don't, right.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And and then you know, yeah Perkins, Kendrick Perkins. Right,
then it then it's if he's critical, well he's no,
he wasn't that good, so he can't really talk.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I mean, like Hall of Famer Charles Barkley or somebody
says that that he's a younger player playing. Well, you
weren't good enough. You knew it well, Rob, you didn't
play man?
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Who do you do?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
You want to just sit next to you and Lebron
and just are and critique each other.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Is that it? Hey? What did I do?
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
KD? What I do? Bro?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Like?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
What? What do you want?
Speaker 6 (21:51):
It's comical?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It is comic cool where we are that people are
so thin skin and they can't take criticism. I just
it's it doesn't stop me if somebody doesn't want to
talk to me or yell at me or whatever.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
I've been yelled at. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I've been yelled at before. I'm okay with it. Don't
be physical, don't touch me. You can yell at me
all you want. It's not gonna stop me from doing
what I do. I don't work for the team. I
don't work for the players. I'm not a fan. I'm
not into that. I could care less. I'm wanna be fair, honest,
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and when you're great, I'll tell you you're great.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah, I'm just blown away. Rob again, specifically having a
Kevin Durant conversation, a guy who I don't know, I
mean him to be as big as he is Lebron,
I would probably parsons. I'm blown away at how involved
they are in social media, not that they don't peak.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Look, we're all voyeuristic, we all look peek.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I'm not mad at that. I get that twenty twenty
five does we all do it? But how how engaged
they are with even things that are negative or things
they don't agree with, even things they go out and
sought rob It's not even as if it came to
Kevin Durant if that was Jason Tatum, who's going through
it right now, torn his achilles, his team is losing
right now in the series. He's sick, he's mad, he's upset. Okay,
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I think he was in his feelings. But for Kevin
Durrant to jump out the window for Jason Tatum, he
has got nothing to do with him.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
He ain't even in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
And then again, this is the guy who is for
years jumped in any and every conversation by way of
real accounts, fank accounts, picking account I just find that
part interesting. And again that he would then amplify a
thought that he didn't agree with.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
With.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Again, this wasn't the craziest wildest thing I've ever heard too.
It wasn't like he said NBA players are soft, they're
all this and they're all spoiled and they don't know
what to do with their money or some words like
all right, that was a little over the top and personal,
but like just his opinion that they played harder with
Jalen Brown, Oh okay, that was That's the one that
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got you riled up.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
That's the one that made you actually go again.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Maybe him an auto got some personal because again for
him to say football players who quit and want to
talk about being mentally tough, I'm like, all right, well,
that must be some personal stuff up in there.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
I just find it.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yes, yeah, maybe there's some beefs, some Texas beef for something.
But I just again, Kevin Durant always infuses himself in
so many different conversations and music and movies and choosing
beefs and and and comment section of things that I
just find it interesting, Like you are the one who
are getting set about opinions, yet you again always interject
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your opinion about things. So the Tony even football regularly,
which that's cool. You love football, No, not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Rob Parker and kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm Eastern,
four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
You know, Rob, we have so many different stories about
how athletes will you and I talk about one of
them in the NBA being honest, how he kind of
subscribes to that, I don't want friends. I don't want
to be talking to everybody. Another one would be Lamar
Jackson kind of the whole. I ain't trying to be
friends with all these quarterbacks and all that he happens
even in golf.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Apparently, ry McElroy said, I ain't.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Trying to be anybody's best mate when I'm competing. And
that was, of course as Bryson Deshambeau and him uh
was set to play together and it set to play
together again, and everybody was questioning, Hey, at the Masters
last month, you didn't really seem to be cordial, you
didn't really seem to be talking with And he talked
about how he and his sports therapist locked in, like, Yo,
we need you to be locked in, we need you
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to be focused on you, and that's going to be
the difference.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
And and end ultimately ended up being successful for him.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
But the idea that you know, I have to not
be I have to be enemies, I have to not socialize.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
I feel like we over state that.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I feel like in maybe Roy's case, it worked because
golf is a singular sport, right. It's a sport where
you're by yourself. You're literally on your own, can't depend
know to anybody else. I gotta lock it and focus
because it's my score versus their score. I can understand that,
but it kind of makes me laugh rob how we're
making it as if you're not competitive and if you're taught,
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if you have friends.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
You're not competitive.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
If you know other guys within the league, are no
other guys who you're cool with the enemy if you will.
And I think we sometimes go back to the old
days of the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
If you look at the NBA, and man, they were
hard nos.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
They didn't take it from nobody, They weren't fratnizing, they
weren't friends. I get the aau theory that happens nowadays,
but pumped up breaks a little bit. And I say
that because we are starting to lionize, we're starting to
glorify them a little bit as if they weren't literally
friends and in some cases best friends. I gave you
a couple examples, Rob you can be friends and be
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competitive when you're in between the lines. I think that's
what we're asking for, meaning I don't care about your
personal life, who you know, who, family going they can
I give an example of Isaiah Thomas and Magic Johnson,
who are literally best friends like family, spending the weekends together,
going trips together across the world, go on tour and
concert tours with Michael Jackson. And they played against each
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other obviously as we know regularly, and but yet they
were friends. Now obviously they fell out for a while
and were.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Able to rekindle that.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
But the idea that Michael Jordan didn't have any friends,
he didn't talk to anybody such and such as a
competitor because he knows.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
People, man, stop it.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Michael Jordan, as we saw in the Last Dance, is
chopping it up with Larry Bird, chapping it up with
Magic Johnson after games, meeting him in the tunnel to
the tune up, even going to golf with Danny Ainge
while they're competing in a playoff series yo, after the game,
what you got up Tomorrow, I'm going to golf and
to the tune of Danny Ainge beating him on the
golf course taking his money and Michael Jordan puts sixty
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three on their head to the next game in a loss.
With that epic game where he puts sixty three on them.
Man Larry Bird says, that's God in a bulls jersey.
So I don't like the idea that it's either or rob,
like you can't be cool with guys, have relationship with
a guy, and now you're not competitive And I completely
get on the court. I need to see competitive fight.
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I need to see that you both were there and
you want to smoke. But the idea that these people
aren't friends, like Barkley and Jordan weren't best friends for years,
Like Jordan wasn't friends with Patrick Ewing as you know,
being in New York, and he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Tight with Charles Oakley and so on and so forth.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
I just did Charles Oakley play together though.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Well, I know, back in early days of Chicago.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
But my point is they act as if you can't
be cool with people, you can't have relationship with people,
and their families and all of a sudden, you're not
competitive or you're not about that life if you do. Now,
I agree this new school has gone too far with
the fratnising in our face, trading jerseys and and and
you know, hanging out and all of that. And because
I believe this starts with the AAU, but just we
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we go a little too far with back in the day.
And look how hard he was and gritty and he
didn't have any friends. He didn't talk to anybody. Man,
we come to find out Kobe Bryant had a lot
of people he was really tired with, care about, mentored,
you know, behind the scenes, if you will. So that's
that's my thing on this is sometimes I think we
go too far with the either or you're not competitive
if you have relationships with people.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I don't know that I disagree. I think it's way
out of out of control right now.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
And you touched on it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
The AAU there used to be a thing, and this
is where we talk about the competitive fire and balance.
You used to want to be the best basketball player
in the city of Detroit. Now the AAU strings together
the three or four best players on one team.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
You beat up nobody.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Right, and and and there's not that competitive balance of
wanting or a competitiveness of wanting to be the best.
I want to be the guy. I don't want to
be on somebody else's team. I don't want to gang
up with somebody else. I want to be my own.
That's why I respect Giannis a lot not to want
to be a part of that and to win a
championship on his own without having to go and ain
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Miami because they knocked him out of the playoffs or
whatever it was. He decided to do his own thing.
And here's the problem that I think you're missing is
that people can manipulate you when you fall into that.
And you talked about it with all the jersey swapping
and all this other stuff. Draymond Green has been neutered
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by Lebron James. I'm just I'm gonna has been neutered.
He went from kicking Lebron and the junk and right
and all that to now he's a yes man for Lebron.
He's the Lebron, is this, Lebron is that? And he
won't touch Lebron when they you know, like they're not
it is not the same. And he treats Lebron differently
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when it plays compared to before. Will you agree with
that or not give me that?
Speaker 4 (30:49):
No?
Speaker 5 (30:49):
No, no, And I don't think anybody can deny that.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
And that's what I'm talking about with you.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Gotta be careful not to fall for that Oakie doak,
which is to soften you up.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
You're cool. I'm gonna let you in on this. You're
gonna come to these parts, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
And then that was a great Yeah, I totally agree
with you on this. I think what happened here, Rob
is once you start idolizing like the business, and yes,
that's when it gets weird. But I don't you know
that just we're cool guys, we're friends. I know that's
not Raymond. Yeah, these guys got too they're too locked
into the other stuff, Like, oh, look, how you're being
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a mogul. I want to be like you because you're
a mogul and you're running this ship and running this.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
But that affects your basketball and that's the problem, is
what I'm saying. His aggressiveness and the way he treats
Lebron on the court compared to before is.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Totally just saying he's laying them down now instead of
just slamming him. Here you go, King, I'm gonna lay
you down real quick. Yeah to you.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
He got he got on. He don't even have not
kid gloves. He has kid mittens.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
You don't even those gloves you're using your charity boxing match.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
You know what I mean, those big gloves that I
had to knock Terry Lost around.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
But you know what a grit. But I'm gonna go
with what I mean by this. I think a great
example of it. And we keep singing his praises in
the multitude of ways. Anthony Edwards, He's the perfect balance.
I'm cool with Steph and Lebron and these guys I'm
on the USA team.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
I love them, I know their family. But you about
to get this smoke in between these white lines, in
between the ninety four feet court. I want to.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Dust you off, Katie, my favorite player all team, Come
get of all time. Come get the smoke. Steph, get
the smoke, Lebron, get the smoke. Yo kids, get the smoke.
Last year. And I think he's the perfect balance of
what I mean of you can be cool with people
but absolutely want to annihilate them. And I do think
there was an era where guys got lost with that,
(32:43):
where guys kind of just they lost the competitive edge
and they just were like, I'm just happy to be here.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
I'm making good money and this is pretty dope. I'm
in the.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
NBA and I'm excited because you get guys who seemingly
got a little bit that old school in him, like that.
Jaylen Brown is a guy like that, got a lot
of respect for people, but I want to beat you
and bust your head, and I don't havesarily to be
friendly on this court. Jalen Brunton has a little bit
of that. Again, Anthony Ette was really being the king
of that. So I'm optimistic that some of these young
(33:10):
guys are getting back to the man.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
We can be cool, I can we can be.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Playing Madden Online and all this stuff and whatever else
they play online, Halo. I don't know, uh call of duty,
but when it comes to being competitive, when it comes
to this playoff series, I'm trying to destroy you.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
I'm trying to take your.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Head off, and then I'll call you and check on
your mama during the summer.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
And I think I don't I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Think that I think that that's adulic kid. I can
remember Magic, even Magic and Bird who kissed during the playoffs,
okay on the cheek. Before the games they got into it.
There were there were elbows and blood and and bruises.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
So so when they were on the court, they did
go at it and compete. And that's why people didn't
like totally go like, oh well, Isaiah's soft or Magic
or Magic soft on on all right, eye open, No,
I know. And that's what I'm trying to say. But
I think today there's more idle idol worshiping and more
(34:08):
where people are just way too There's a time and
a place for all that and to admire somebody, but
you don't need to be up under them or think
that they walk on water. And I think that's where
And it's like we talk about it in the media today.
I say it all the time. There's a lot of
media members now who are fanboys. I'm saying it. I've
(34:31):
been in this business for forty years, and they're rooting
for people, and they want people to win, and they're
mad when the Lakers getting knocked out. They think like
they were on the team or something. And and there's
a lot of players as well, who are You can't
idolize people who you're trying to defeat.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
And that's why I think Lebron got to Draymond.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
To me, that's the best example of changing somebody by
bringing him into your inner circle, right, showing him some
things that he admires of what you're doing, and then
you're all on board. Like the idea that he would
even uh talk about him being the goat and the
greatest player while they're still competitors is mind boggling to me.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I'm trying to beat him and win as minutes championships
as I can when I'm retired. And you want to
ask me all that, that's fine. But he's going around
campaigning for Lebron like campaigning.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
That's a Draymond. Draymond is the two extremes.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
He's putting Rudy Gobert in a choke hold, and he
is team Lebron with pompoms. It is a is a
great it is those are the two because he is
laying everybody else out elbow knocking them out, punching them,
choking them out. And that's not the case Lebron. But
but yeah, just for me to some minds that.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
I just I think what but Roy McElroy's doing is
what he needed to do to lock in and focus,
especially considering all the failures he had had getting so
close but no cigar there at the Masters, And if
that's what he needed to do again in a singular sport,
I'm not mad at that, but the idea, I just
think that sometimes we overseell the that they didn't hated
each other back in the day, Like, no, you had
a couple of people who didn't wat each other, but
(36:12):
those guys got They were all ultra competitive on the
court and absolutely went for a blood for blood, blow
for blow, and I loved it.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
You loved it, We all loved it.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
I'll give you one example I want to share. Yeah,
I want to forget this.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
In baseball, Like the players in the NBA, they going
to each other's locker room and hug, help each other
and all that stuff. Dude, when I covered baseball on
the day, a visiting player could never come into their
clubout like, I don't care who you were, who he
was coming to see, you know what I mean? He
could be coming to see Aaron Judge. You're gonna take
(36:45):
that outside. There's no way you're coming into it like seriously,
they would fight their teammate for them to try to
bring somebody another team, you know, a player from another
team into their clubhouse.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
That's it was supposed to be. This is our place.
I don't care what you have.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
And I'm not saying that you're trying to hurt people
and all that, but you got to keep a distance
if you're trying to beat somebody. If you get too close,
you let your guard down. And that's what's happened to
uh drey Mon.
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