May 22, 2025 • 31 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether the Indiana Pacers took Game 1 or if the New York Knicks gave it away, tell us why all signs point to Nikola Jokic remaining the NBA’s Player of the Decade for the 2020s, and explain how this current playoff run has cemented Tyrese Haliburton as the best point guard in the Eastern Conference.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
I mean, first and foremost, let's just go back to
the setup of these two teams matched up last year.
You and I talked about it. Obviously, Jalen Brunton out
kind of changes. If you're the nixt you say, this
is what would have been if he played, and so
on and so forth. But the two teams get here,
we're excited about it. Rivalry renewed. They play like six
times in the nineties, ninety three to two thousand, So
a little bit of hype involved, not to mention Pacer
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fan getting beat up by with some garbage backs, So
a little bit of hype going into this one man,
and I mean the biggest thing for me.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
We'll break it down.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
But you jump straight to the headline, and I'm sure
a lot of people either went to bed Rob or
woke up today saying that the Knicks choked, and I
completely understand that, and Tyrius Halliburton did the Regi Miller choke.
But to me, this was different than the Regi Miller one.
This to me was an absolute offensive clinic from the
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last three minutes and fourteen seconds into overtime as well
from the Indiana Pacers. And every now and again, you
have to just tip your cap to somebody. Every now
and again, you just got to tip your cap to
a team. And I think that's what we saw last night.
The Knicks were playing phenomenally. The Knicks were controlling the game.
The Knicks were on fire, and the Knicks were playing
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at an offensive rate. They had not played in the
playoffs for the most of the playoffs this season, so
they were doing everything right. They were keeping them under check,
they were getting all the buckets they needed. Your two
duos finally had a great game together. We have not
seen Carlthony Towns ball the heck out and Jaylen Brounson
do it at the same time to the tune of
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seventy eight points.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So to me, we just saw something historic.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I think that's what we witness We saw something we'd
never seen before. When you start to dive into these numbers, well,
what you saw from Nie Smith you never seen before. Right,
He goes six threes in the fourth quarter, which is
a playoff in the fourth quarter, which is playoff record.
You have Tyrese Haliburton setting records. When it comes to
what he's doing in the clutch, we'll get to that
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a little bit later on in this show. You got
a team that was able to score forty something points
from five minutes left in the game into the overtime
as well, that's just phenomenal. If Anie Smith not to
miss a three, not to miss his free throws, Halliburton
hit a couple buckets as well. To me, I just
think we saw an offensive clinic. We saw a guy
get on fire to the tune that we've never seen.
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And I think the Knicks were gassed without a doubt.
But when your duo gives you seventy eight points, you
score a bunch of points.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You even score.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
It wasn't like it was a twenty zero run like
the Knicks did to the Pistons round one. They scored
the Knicks, they scored eight points in the last several minutes,
and they scored. It ended up being twenty four points
the last five minutes in overtime, so they were scoring buckets.
I just simply think we saw something historic. We saw
something we'd literally never seen. And I think that offensive
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explosion of what the Pacers are capable of, they put
that on them. So to me, there was a letdown.
They gassed, without a doubt, they got gassed. But the
Pacers flat out won that thing. They stole that thing,
and they did something we never seen offensively, and get
I tipped my cap to them more so than the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Choked.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
You're crazy, and nobody's buying that what you're selling because
the guy himself and you even mentioned it.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I'm glad you did.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
But for the guy himself to make a choke sign
tells you that he believes that what just took place
was a choke job. Everybody else watching except you and
I don't care what they did. The Pacers and I
get it seven for seven and the Knicks missed twelve.
He throws do out the game. Knicks did not do
what they needed to do to seal that game. And
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when you talk about seeing something you never saw before,
and you don't think it's a choke. In the previous
nine hundred and ninety four games where somebody led by
fourteen points with two minutes and thirty eight seconds, the
record was nine hundred and ninety four and zero. That's
an automatic win. I don't care what anybody else the
other team is doing. It's a choke job. No, it's
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a choke job. You have to win that game. The
idea that you could call it anything else. The Pacers
would call it a choke. Announcers call it a choke,
Nicks call it. Knicks call it a choke. They didn't
go there. You're not tipping your cap. I don't care
what they did. The Knicks didn't secure what is almost
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an automatic absolute win. The almost a thousand games were
that same scenario.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
If it wasn't, you wouldn't look at it that way.
It would have been. That's my point, though I'm not
I'm glad you brought it up. No, because that's a
his story. No, it's it never happens. No, But it's
the ultimate choke job. This is a game you were
supposed to win.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Go look at any other scenario or circumstance, and you
can't come up with this and think, oh, yeah, let's
just tip our cap to they have to do their part.
That's always a case for any team that chokes. So
this is not new, and I get what you're saying, Oh, well.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
They made this.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Well, we just saw Cleveland choke at the end right
against the Pacers. We saw the Boston Celtics choke. But
even in the Celtics case, with the Knicks twenty point
lead in the second half, not with two thirty eight left,
there's a big difference. The Celtics choked down a twenty
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point lead in the second half. They didn't choke down
a twenty point lead in the last two minutes.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
And thirty eight seconds.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Now, I'm glad you said all that, because that goes
back to my point. If this doesn't happen in a
thousand games, that shows you that this is the anomaly.
This is the thing that never happens before. This being
a team scoring twenty three points in the final three
to fourteen regulation, the most in the regulation of a
playoff game in the play by play era, again never happens.
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Nee Smith finished with thirty going eight for nine from three,
including six threes in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
So that's my point, that's.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Never happens, right, And that's why it's a choke because
it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It's you.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
You're looking at it the other way, right there we are.
That's why we are a couple of this. No, but
that's not what no one is gonna agree with and
that no one is going to agree with you because
it's a choke.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Job.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
That's a game you have to win.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Guys, six from three like that does not happen.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
No, but it doesn't matter because if the Knicks would
have done what they should have done, which is not
allow them right, Okay, you just said the guys hot
on it on the threes, then maybe you have to
make sure that you can't give him airspace.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You don't think they were trying.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Oh they they took the foot off the gas thinking
the game was over and they got burned.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
And we've seen this up teams against what you want to.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Read a stat there's like five games that have happened
where a team has come back from a ridiculous amount
of points at the end.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Right, I'm gonna get I'm gonna find it. But it's
like five.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Games and the teams will come back are like five
and one and the praises have done it three times
this year, and when you looked at it, you didn't go, oh, yeah, well,
the idea that Tyrese Halliburton would grab his throat tells
you because he knows deep down, he didn't go, oh
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my god, we just did something that was never been done.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
And did you see that?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
No anybody who played basketball would look at that and
go they chow.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
And here's what I'm saying, show number one, he absolutely
was gonna do that because a Reggie Miller's there be
they stole the game from.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I get that. But what I'm saying is that that's
a choke.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Sogn what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But what I'm saying is that.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's what I'm saying is literally because Reggie Miller is
sitting there, Rob, What does that have to do with
what I'm saying is they stole the game for sure
out a doubt and he why would he bet because
it's a celebration from a comeback that Regi Miller did
and they did.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And if you want to call him joke job, that
is the easy thing to do. I get it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I'm not mad at that, duh. I think I think
most of what you're saying is true. Everybody's gonna say
the truth. I viewed it as watching that game, going, man, okay,
you gotta get a stop. The Pacers don't get a stop.
You gotta get a stopped. They don't get a stop.
You got okay, you follow them. They make a free throw,
they didn't make one, and the Pacers come down and
all of a sudden three three, and you're like, wait
a minute, they're in this game, and they kept competing
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and they stole it. And then to me, they went
out there and took that game. That's all I'm saying.
It wasn't as if the Knicks couldn't score. They did score.
It wasn't and if Jalen Browns had a terrible game,
only that score three points. Not scoring is not the
way you could choke a game.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
You could also choke a game by by not defending
and not stopping the other team from scoring and making
the right places.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
And making free throws. You even talked about it.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
That free throw. You don't think that changes the game.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
That But my point is they only missed a couple.
It wasn't like Dona straight dude six threes and he
didn't miss Rob Hallerburton hits a big three knee, they
got overtime, and then Niem Barber hits a three like
they literally were hitting everything to the tune of Halliburton,
who is now our Is he the most clutch dude
in the NBA? Did he snatched that title from Jalen Brunson.
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We'll talk about that later in the show. And I
get the I get the the choke. I totally get it.
I knew he was gonna do it in a real time.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I don't know how you could look at at Halliburton
who makes a choke sign and then say it wasn't
a choke button.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Because that is an immediate response. No, it's not. If
you did.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Something that was unbelievable that no one had ever done,
you don't have to do a choke thing.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It was a choke game problem. You are a man
who loves history. He's well versed. They know they talked
about the again. You're one of your mentors, Reggie Miller.
You're in New York. We literally know what Reggie Miller
did in Madison score Guard to the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
So what I'm saying is that Reggie Miller was at
a choke job by the Knicks when they lost that game.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
But that was a choke job because there's eight seconds left.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
But but Reggie made all a shot, So why why
is it because it was only eight se doesn't matter
to me?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
He scored, right, I had you score a bunch of
points from three minutes. I had to carry into overtime
and continue the Knicks. The Knicks did what Reggie Miller
did where he scored nine points in eight seconds.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Or whatever that was. That was watching that live was
my favorite basketball moment.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
People are like the Knicks choked, and that's what Reggie
said because he knew that that that shouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
That I'm saying that was an eight seconds you're up
like that with eight seconds, I'm saying this one. The
Pacers literally paced themselves and found a way to come
back and make every shot they made. It wasn't like
they were missing and they just made every shot from
there on all. So to me, they did something historic.
I give them a lot of credit. And the Knicks
have to make blunders. You can't come back without that.
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So it's not as if they're inexcusable or they're you know,
there's not any blame on the Knicks without a doubt,
But I'm saying I watched that thing and a large
portion of that, to me was man and the Pacers
went out and stole that game. They took it from them,
and they made historic shots that we've literally never seen.
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Speaker 6 (11:46):
So yesterday SGA were talking about the show was crowned.
The NBA's MVP ran away with I think it was
seventy nine to twenty one or something like that in
the total votes. But interestingly enough, by finishing in the
silver medal spot, Nikola Jokic has accomplished defeat that we
have not seen in decades. Yesterday, the Joker became the
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first player since Larry Bird to finish in the top
two an MVP voting for five consecutive seasons. During that time,
he's either finished first three times or second twice.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
What's more, what's crazy is with the season he had
this year and the EMBIID Trophy that they gave to him.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
He could have.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
All right, because the EMBIID won after the finals last
year two years ago, people were like, we might.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Have made it. Thank god we got that award before.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
That, know that, Oh god, that would have been.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
And then obviously this year his numbers were better than
any of his MVP years, but Shay had to Lamar
Jackson first.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
The player guys in NBA history to finish the top
three in points, rebounds, and assists for a season, but
going back to the five year mark since the turn
of this decade, since twenty twenty, in the playoffs, the
joker who's really only had one deep playoff run in
that span, first in rebounds, assists, double doubles, triple doubles,
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oh any second in points in the playoffs during that span,
which led Yard Barker to put in a column that
Nikola Jokic as of now has been the player of
the decade in the NBA for the twenty twenties. Guys,
here's the question coming up here in about fifteen minutes
or so, we're gonna have two guys Sga and at Man,
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who are many years saying are the future the next
faces of the NBA potentially. You guys talked about Tyre's
Halliburn and Jalen Brunson in our one Moving forward for
the next five years, do you expect that Nikola Jokic
will remain the NBA's Player of the decade.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I absolutely think so because he has such a head start,
and when you're that good the first five years, you
don't need to do with three or four years that right.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
All you need to do is have two really.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Good years and say the Nuggets win one championship, or
they get to the finals, whatever it is, and then
you got seven years where you were in either first
or second. Because I don't see his numbers going down,
and it doesn't mean he's gonna win up the MVP,
but he'll.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Be in that mix. He'll be in that mix.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
And if you're in that mix seven out of the
ten years, how you not the player of the It's
one thing. If he didn't win a championship, then you
could say somebody came along and won one or two
and that'll be the end of that.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
But if he.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Wins one possibly another one in the next five years,
or get to a finals and they lose in six
or seven games, you will look at it and go, man,
what a ten year run this has been.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I completely agree it's his to lose. What he's done
is remarkable. It's been incredible, and honestly every year you go,
I mean, he kind of is the MVP. It's having
happening now for five years, he's won a ring, he's
been MVPs, he's got the All star appearances. There's two
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caveats I would like to offer, though, rob One, if
I have to make a case for something else. One
his own success individually cripples him because at this point, well,
we know you're good.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You gotta win.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Right when you get this good Michael Jordan Young flying
through the air, scoring budget scoring titles, we want to
see you win. And so he's got the one. But
you would start to think, if he's that good MVPs
all the time, or at least being first second, he
should have more rings. So I think does that work
against him? Let's say it continues how it has been
the last couple of years, first round, second round exits.
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Does that flip in the last five six years turn
into well, if he's that good, why didn't he win more?
It was a whole decade he only got one and
the other caveat Rob is the only person nipping on
those heels a little bit to me who has a
shot two people, one in particular Yannis, because he has
two MVPs already. He already has finals, MVP and a ring,
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so it's kind of matching you there. And he's been
right there in those finals races a couple of times too,
when you know, finishing very close. And if he were
to we know there's rumors he might want to go
somewhere else. Let's say he links up and goes to
the Spurs, as people are saying, because a possibility with
that number two, pick and him and winby just go
crazy for the next four or five, you know, six
years to the end of until we get to twenty
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thirty and.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
He wins one, I don't even go crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Just say he wins two more, not three to four,
just wins one or two more, one or two more finals,
MVPs and MVP in there. He's already got a defensive
player year. He's been an eight time All NBA, five
time All defensive player. He's the only other one that
if it's and he's like this year average thirty twelve
and seven that's crazy. If it kept going for Yiannis,
He's the only one to me that I could be like,
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all right, it's between those two.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
The only thing is your Gianni's thing. They've been disappointing
in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
You know about that, you know, I know that.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
So so I don't know how that works for Gianni's
but it doesn't, you know what I mean, like like
if you're looking at it.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
That's why I'm saying the Spurs if he goes somewhere where, and.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Even then if he goes to the Spurs, is it
going to be about Giannis or while people go, well
look where he went and what they did to Kevin Durant.
And not that the Spurs have wanted anything, but they
have to. You know, they have young players who who
could be a bigger part of it. And it could
be Weimby's team. I'm not saying that Yiannis would be
a third wheel or anything, but.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I could where it was it was a super team
or this that and it takes but they would.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Be like, wow, I mean he's playing with an unbelievable
player that we had never seen before and that and
that you take a little credit. I know we talk
about all the time, and I don't know why people
just don't buy into it. But the you know, Shaq
and Kobe being on the same team, why didn't win
you know.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
M VPS?
Speaker 4 (17:58):
And and it does he into you a little bit,
And I think the Joe goes right where it looks
to me, where you go he's doing this without you know,
you can talk about Murray all you want, but the
facts remain that there's no other number two, big time
player with him.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
I think that helps him.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It absolutely, That's why I'm agreeing he has the lead
right now. But I think Giannis is nipping and if
the last five years of the decade go in favor
of Gianni's not even drastically, but you can make a case.
The only other person I'll throw at you, it's not
gonna happen, but he can make a case. Resume wise,
possibly Jason Tatum. We know he's not better than Jokic,
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but again, if he messes around and get two more
rings because he's gone, I mean, the finals already come
down East stays in the Eastern Conference finals, he could
have an insane resume where for the last you know,
say five or six of the years in the twenty twenties,
he was in the finals, maybe one, three, maybe Washington.
Maybe he won a couple, lost a couple, but that
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could be a case. So to me, the only things
working against Kich is his own success individually maybe not
matching up to what we would want to see from
him collectively, Like he would need more rings, more finals
appearances if he's that great, because historically, if you own
a decade, well you've owned the finals, like we mentioned
Jordan owned the nineties, Magic owned the eighties nine final appearance,
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which is absolutely crazy. You know, you got lebron ten
final appearances during the twenty tens and how many you know,
or however many he won and then and then Steph
owned the twenty tens and into the early twenty twenties.
So usually when you're the guy for a decade, there's
more finals appearances. So if Yo Kich or if he
gets to two more finals, even if he only wins one,
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it's a rap to fight out. It's a rep give
him the twenty twenties. But I do think he has
to get to more finals appearances, or at least Eastern
you know, Western conference finals, like more regularly where he's
that great. You can automatically pencil him in for Western
Conference Final at a minimum.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
You know, yeah, he's going, He's going to be in
the mix.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
And if he wins one, one more or two, you know,
and he's in the top done. Yeah, because because of
his stats, and I still I think I really do
going into next year, he's the favorite MVP.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Or Okay, if I thought you meant the ring I
was about, I'm talking about VP m v P.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Yes, Yes, for two reasons real quick.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
A the numbers and Robb G just talked about what
he was able to do that nobody had done or whatever,
what three guys had done it in the history of
the NBA. And number two the shay flopping and all that.
I think people a little bit of the is coming
off of him. Can we see him now all the
time everybody's watching him and they're like, oh, that's a
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real thing. I kind of I thought he was a
little better than that, you know, like this is like
kind of crazy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (20:55):
And I've heard people say, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
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Speaker 1 (21:11):
Man, we've been talking about, of course that the game
last night in the Eastern Conference Finals, Western Conference Final
Game two going on right now.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Keep you update on that in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
But one of the conversations that I think is interesting
we might start to have throughout this series, Rob becomes
Jalen Brunson one clutch player of the year. Tyre's Halliburton
has been the most clutch. We gave the stats a
little earlier. We'll give some more here in just a bit.
But you start to think, man, watching these two teams
run their teams in different ways as the point guards
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and the leaders, is there a case that Halliburton is
the top point guard in the East right now?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Is it Jalen Brunton currently? Is this series determined at all?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So it's gonna be I think this is gonna be
an interesting battle between these two, these leaders of these
teams to to come out and say no, I'm the
top guard, top guy as far as the guard position
in the East, and for my money, Rob for more
so style of play. I think Tyre's Halliburton has a
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system that can work beneficially for the team I think
the way he plays kind of Jason Kiddish, kind of
Steve Nashs in the way of moving the ball. I
can score when you need me too, has that dynamic
ability to get buckets. We see what he's doing on
the clutch tip because that's the crazy part. How clutch
he has been. He is now twelve or fourteen on
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game tying and go ahead shots in the last two
minutes of fourth quarters of overtime this season.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
And you send it to Steph Curry go ahead. I mean,
that's a ridiculous stat right there. That's but that's what you'll.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Be known for him.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I'm serious. And there's more to rob.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
He is five or six of those in the playoffs,
and he and the Pacers there of course they're going
on that clutch playoff run we saw there.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
But last point, I'll let you get back to this thing.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
He is the most Mayfield goals to take or tie
the lead in the last ninety seconds of the fourth
quarter overtime in one playoff series run so far. That's
just so far. We still got this series in the
finals potension. He's got five this year. Lebron had five
and twenty eighteen. I remember that run, I was crazy.
Kevin Durant had five and twenty twelve, Dirk went crazy
as we know in twenty eleven with five, Ray Allen
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in five in two thousand and nine, Ben Gordon five.
Ben Gordon five is crazy in two thousand and nine
and John stocked him with five and ninety seven. So
some great guys there to be on that list, and
he has a chance to take the lead again. As
we mentioned, he's got the rest of the Seri in
the finals. But I kind of like I like the
guy who has the ability to just set up everybody
until I need to dominate. I like the guy that
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can change the pace in the tempo. And you can't
go wrong with either of these two. But I think
Jalen Brunton being ball dominant sometimes takes away from Karl
Anthony Towns and he loses the best of his big
fella because he has to do it all and sometimes
he doesn't get and that's why I don't think you
often get where they both have great games to get.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Sometimes I'm not even sure Cat is out there.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
And that can't be.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
That's how I can't be.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
That's how I feel sometimes in watching it and You'll
see Jalen Brunson score eighteen points in a row or something,
and I'm like, Okay, you're.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Like, uh, that's not og just out there, or Bridges.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
That's Kat who is a really really good offensive player
who can get hot, as we saw in Game one
last night. So sometimes I think it turns into Allen Iverson,
which is fine if that's the system, right. Usually when
you have an Allen Iverson, a Luca a Lebron, at
times sometimes you look at Lebron rosters. Not all the time,
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but sometimes you're like, all right, this team isn't the best,
but it fit the system because let me do everything.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I'm a driving driving, I'm kicking out for you.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Shoot, I'm gonna get to the Hall of Duncan and
Alan Iverson right, you know you were covering the league.
We don't have a lot around them because the system
is get on the ball, we're gonna play defense, we're
gonna rebound, and every now and again I'll knock down
this South.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
That's the system.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
And I think Jaylen brunt And gets locked into that
sometimes and I think it just takes away from the
flow a little bit, takes away from Carlthony times. He
is a dynamic. He's amazing. He gets maybe more out
of that six foot one frame. And I don't even
know if he's sick. They can list him in six
to one. I don't even know if he's six one.
Probably not right, yeah, but I think.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, but that's so.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I just think I like the way Tyreez Halliburton kind
of can I can take it easy and it boom,
pick up when I need to, and I think it's
uh the way he.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Is able to distribute to other players and make them better,
but also not afraid of those big moments and the
time comes he's not okay, now, he's a distributor, but
he's not going to just give up the ball to
somebody else and ask them to make that shot. I
think that's the part that I like a lot that
he does. He didn't have to do it all game.
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He didn't have to, you know, have the ball and
make sure that he's getting his shots up or whatever.
But when the time comes and he knows, okay, we
need this or whatever, he's not looking to pass the ball.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Right, he can go get it.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
And I think Jalen Brunton is the better play you're
in the sense of all right, if I need game seven,
you know who do you think can go get it done.
I can understand why, like Brunt said, okay, because he
has the capability to go get thirty forty fifty.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
That's just with his makeup the way he is. I
get that. But Halliburton was on the Olympic team. He
was there's people out there who like him despite what
he's been All NBA players have said, you know what
I mean, And then after this postseason, people will really
take notice because of what he's been able to do.
You saw people don't remember those people don't forget those
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kind of games.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Oh what out of it?
Speaker 5 (26:41):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Like when you watched that last night, you won't forget it.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Whatever, you won't. And those are the things that I
keep using that phrase. The regular season you make your name.
The playoffs is where you make your fame. We all
knew Halliburton. We all, yeah, he's nice, he's nice. He
is making his fame. He is putting people on notice.
And I actually didn't have a problem with him being
voted most overrated. And what I mean by that is,
if you have let's say you have twenty all stars,
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we know there's a couple more, but let's just say
twenty of them for the easy number of it.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
And because you're never gonna pick a middling guy.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
We're not gonna say lou Dort is the most overrated, right,
You're gonna pick somebody who's really really good, because that's
why you might think they're overrated, because I don't think
he's a top ten player, but other people do. So
to me, if I'm having one hundred players in the league,
vote like, we gotta pick somebody, you know what I mean,
it's up to you to be like, make them pay.
And that's what he's been on. He's been on a
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tour right now. I can't believe y'all voted me the
most overrated. Let me remind y'all or let me introduce
some of you to who I am. And it's been
great to see. But I'm like, somebody had to be
like it might have another really good player.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It might have been.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I don't think players when they really do that. I
don't think they do that due diligence or really analyze anything.
It's whether they like you or not. And I think
that has something or you talked about it with money money.
Oh he got paid. Look at all that money. I
can't believe they paid them do exactly exactly. So then
so then it's like, oh, he's overraty. He don't deserve that.
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That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
You don't know what it got it.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I don't think they look at it really breakdown, like
how what kind of a player he is?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I think if we did this, what was that maybe
eight nine years ago when Mike Conley, remember he was
the highest payder. I think if they did that, then
it might have been Mike Conley, and not that he
wasn't really good, it was just but it's just like, wait,
Mike Conley is the highest played player in the NBA.
He's he's good, but he ain't even been an All Star?
What what Mike Conley? I ain't saying he ain't good.
He can play on my team any day, but he's
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the most and I think he might have gotten to
that year. So I do think money plays a role
because you kind of take the money you master talent,
like we would do a quarterback Trevor Lawrence making forty five.
Hold on, he alright, he's he ain't that Dak Prescott
making sixty Wait whit whoa, whoa, he's not he ain't on.
So I think money plays a role into your being
rated where we rate you. But Tyre's Halliburton. I'm just
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I'm just a fan of still seeing the traditional traditional
He's still not like an old old school throwback, but
the traditional point guard. He's kind of like a Isaiah Thomas.
And then that I can go get a bucket. I
can score, but I'll still average ten to eleven assists.
I'll move the ball, I understand pacing, and then like
you said, he can sniff it all rights, crunch time.
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Let me go get some buckets, right, let me let
me Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
I could do this, and I'll have no issue shooting
the basketball.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
In those moments into the hall.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
I love guys like that, right, And you see the
Knicks game in the lane and he still pulled it
back out, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Back out? That was actually comical.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
He did that too. And then did you see that
at the end of the game when they were inbounding
the ball, he just gave it to cat.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
No, we might have to fight because they're saying it
jokingly like I was just giving the ball.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Would it's only point two seconds I would just give it,
and he was like, here you go. Okay, no, we
got a scrap, bro.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Right, what you trying to do. You're trying to humiliate.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Me, You're not.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
You already have stole it, said, we choked it away,
and now you're out here just handing me the ball.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Now you got to see me in the parking lit bro.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
I was like, games over here, you do with it?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I love it to bank the shot, I know, I know,
I love that though, just because again, you know, I
think we need a little pettiness, we need a little rivalry's.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Feady, and those are the stuff that they don't like
about Halliburton, which is fine.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
The other little thing that you heard Charles Barkley say
that he wants the commissioner to let.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah, and no.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Popsk you can't offer forgiveness in these streets, right, Oh
you can't.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
But I just think you gotta be careful if you don't,
because if you do that and somebody else does it
and then you let him come back sooner, you know,
like you got to be careful because people will watch
that and then say, well, why was he allowed to
come back and and do that?
Speaker 5 (30:44):
And somebody else. That's all. You gotta be careful, that's all.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Here's why I'll say I'm okay with it because you
just said. Watch And one thing we sometimes forget in
this game is the NBA or it picked the sport.
Sports are entertainment. Sometimes wet it's life or death. It's entertainment.
And now Halliburton is the star right now. He's having
a great playoff run. And and we know that daddy is.
But it was indefinite, they said, in the meaning we
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all know two games, ten games, the whole play definite definite,
So you know what.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
The rest of the postseason. Sorry, come on back.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
That's the last time anybody will run out there, family
member and do some crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
We need this entertainment. Everybody gonna want to see it.
Come on, it's entertainment. Don't forget that part in the
sports world. Sometimes we forget that. But Halliburton is, uh,
he's definitely reminding some people and introducing himself like that
shack line. I'm sorry, I didn't know. You're unfamiliar with
your game. Halliburton is doing it, and don't get in
twisted brunt. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Can you imagine, oh my, if I was a player,
I said thanks, thanks for okay.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Sorry I was unfamiliar with your game. Yes, and play
eighty two of them.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I know. I'm sorry though,
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I mean, first and foremost, let's just go back to
the setup of these two teams matched up last year.
You and I talked about it. Obviously, Jalen Brunton out
kind of changes. If you're the nixt you say, this
is what would have been if he played, and so
on and so forth. But the two teams get here,
we're excited about it. Rivalry renewed. They play like six
times in the nineties, ninety three to two thousand, So
a little bit of hype involved, not to mention Pacer
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fan getting beat up by with some garbage backs, So
a little bit of hype going into this one man,
and I mean the biggest thing for me.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
We'll break it down.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
But you jump straight to the headline, and I'm sure
a lot of people either went to bed Rob or
woke up today saying that the Knicks choked, and I
completely understand that, and Tyrius Halliburton did the Regi Miller choke.
But to me, this was different than the Regi Miller one.
This to me was an absolute offensive clinic from the
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last three minutes and fourteen seconds into overtime as well
from the Indiana Pacers. And every now and again, you
have to just tip your cap to somebody. Every now
and again, you just got to tip your cap to
a team. And I think that's what we saw last night.
The Knicks were playing phenomenally. The Knicks were controlling the game.
The Knicks were on fire, and the Knicks were playing
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at an offensive rate. They had not played in the
playoffs for the most of the playoffs this season, so
they were doing everything right. They were keeping them under check,
they were getting all the buckets they needed. Your two
duos finally had a great game together. We have not
seen Carlthony Towns ball the heck out and Jaylen Brounson
do it at the same time to the tune of
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seventy eight points.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So to me, we just saw something historic.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I think that's what we witness We saw something we'd
never seen before. When you start to dive into these numbers, well,
what you saw from Nie Smith you never seen before. Right,
He goes six threes in the fourth quarter, which is
a playoff in the fourth quarter, which is playoff record.
You have Tyrese Haliburton setting records. When it comes to
what he's doing in the clutch, we'll get to that
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a little bit later on in this show. You got
a team that was able to score forty something points
from five minutes left in the game into the overtime
as well, that's just phenomenal. If Anie Smith not to
miss a three, not to miss his free throws, Halliburton
hit a couple buckets as well. To me, I just
think we saw an offensive clinic. We saw a guy
get on fire to the tune that we've never seen.
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And I think the Knicks were gassed without a doubt.
But when your duo gives you seventy eight points, you
score a bunch of points.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You even score.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
It wasn't like it was a twenty zero run like
the Knicks did to the Pistons round one. They scored
the Knicks, they scored eight points in the last several minutes,
and they scored. It ended up being twenty four points
the last five minutes in overtime, so they were scoring buckets.
I just simply think we saw something historic. We saw
something we'd literally never seen. And I think that offensive
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explosion of what the Pacers are capable of, they put
that on them. So to me, there was a letdown.
They gassed, without a doubt, they got gassed. But the
Pacers flat out won that thing. They stole that thing,
and they did something we never seen offensively, and get
I tipped my cap to them more so than the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Choked.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
You're crazy, and nobody's buying that what you're selling because
the guy himself and you even mentioned it.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I'm glad you did.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
But for the guy himself to make a choke sign
tells you that he believes that what just took place
was a choke job. Everybody else watching except you and
I don't care what they did. The Pacers and I
get it seven for seven and the Knicks missed twelve.
He throws do out the game. Knicks did not do
what they needed to do to seal that game. And
(04:03):
when you talk about seeing something you never saw before,
and you don't think it's a choke. In the previous
nine hundred and ninety four games where somebody led by
fourteen points with two minutes and thirty eight seconds, the
record was nine hundred and ninety four and zero. That's
an automatic win. I don't care what anybody else the
other team is doing. It's a choke job. No, it's
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a choke job. You have to win that game. The
idea that you could call it anything else. The Pacers
would call it a choke. Announcers call it a choke,
Nicks call it. Knicks call it a choke. They didn't
go there. You're not tipping your cap. I don't care
what they did. The Knicks didn't secure what is almost
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an automatic absolute win. The almost a thousand games were
that same scenario.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
If it wasn't, you wouldn't look at it that way.
It would have been. That's my point, though I'm not
I'm glad you brought it up. No, because that's a
his story. No, it's it never happens. No, But it's
the ultimate choke job. This is a game you were
supposed to win.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Go look at any other scenario or circumstance, and you
can't come up with this and think, oh, yeah, let's
just tip our cap to they have to do their part.
That's always a case for any team that chokes. So
this is not new, and I get what you're saying, Oh, well.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
They made this.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Well, we just saw Cleveland choke at the end right
against the Pacers. We saw the Boston Celtics choke. But
even in the Celtics case, with the Knicks twenty point
lead in the second half, not with two thirty eight left,
there's a big difference. The Celtics choked down a twenty
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point lead in the second half. They didn't choke down
a twenty point lead in the last two minutes.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
And thirty eight seconds.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Now, I'm glad you said all that, because that goes
back to my point. If this doesn't happen in a
thousand games, that shows you that this is the anomaly.
This is the thing that never happens before. This being
a team scoring twenty three points in the final three
to fourteen regulation, the most in the regulation of a
playoff game in the play by play era, again never happens.
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Nee Smith finished with thirty going eight for nine from three,
including six threes in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
So that's my point, that's.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Never happens, right, And that's why it's a choke because
it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It's you.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
You're looking at it the other way, right there we are.
That's why we are a couple of this. No, but
that's not what no one is gonna agree with and
that no one is going to agree with you because
it's a choke.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Job.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
That's a game you have to win.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Guys, six from three like that does not happen.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
No, but it doesn't matter because if the Knicks would
have done what they should have done, which is not
allow them right, Okay, you just said the guys hot
on it on the threes, then maybe you have to
make sure that you can't give him airspace.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You don't think they were trying.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Oh they they took the foot off the gas thinking
the game was over and they got burned.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
And we've seen this up teams against what you want to.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Read a stat there's like five games that have happened
where a team has come back from a ridiculous amount
of points at the end.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Right, I'm gonna get I'm gonna find it. But it's
like five.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Games and the teams will come back are like five
and one and the praises have done it three times
this year, and when you looked at it, you didn't go, oh, yeah, well,
the idea that Tyrese Halliburton would grab his throat tells
you because he knows deep down, he didn't go, oh
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my god, we just did something that was never been done.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
And did you see that?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
No anybody who played basketball would look at that and
go they chow.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
And here's what I'm saying, show number one, he absolutely
was gonna do that because a Reggie Miller's there be
they stole the game from.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I get that. But what I'm saying is that that's
a choke.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Sogn what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But what I'm saying is that.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's what I'm saying is literally because Reggie Miller is
sitting there, Rob, What does that have to do with
what I'm saying is they stole the game for sure
out a doubt and he why would he bet because
it's a celebration from a comeback that Regi Miller did
and they did.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And if you want to call him joke job, that
is the easy thing to do. I get it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I'm not mad at that, duh. I think I think
most of what you're saying is true. Everybody's gonna say
the truth. I viewed it as watching that game, going, man, okay,
you gotta get a stop. The Pacers don't get a stop.
You gotta get a stopped. They don't get a stop.
You got okay, you follow them. They make a free throw,
they didn't make one, and the Pacers come down and
all of a sudden three three, and you're like, wait
a minute, they're in this game, and they kept competing
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and they stole it. And then to me, they went
out there and took that game. That's all I'm saying.
It wasn't as if the Knicks couldn't score. They did score.
It wasn't and if Jalen Browns had a terrible game,
only that score three points. Not scoring is not the
way you could choke a game.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
You could also choke a game by by not defending
and not stopping the other team from scoring and making
the right places.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
And making free throws. You even talked about it.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
That free throw. You don't think that changes the game.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
That But my point is they only missed a couple.
It wasn't like Dona straight dude six threes and he
didn't miss Rob Hallerburton hits a big three knee, they
got overtime, and then Niem Barber hits a three like
they literally were hitting everything to the tune of Halliburton,
who is now our Is he the most clutch dude
in the NBA? Did he snatched that title from Jalen Brunson.
(09:38):
We'll talk about that later in the show. And I
get the I get the the choke. I totally get it.
I knew he was gonna do it in a real time.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I don't know how you could look at at Halliburton
who makes a choke sign and then say it wasn't
a choke button.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Because that is an immediate response. No, it's not. If
you did.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Something that was unbelievable that no one had ever done,
you don't have to do a choke thing.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It was a choke game problem. You are a man
who loves history. He's well versed. They know they talked
about the again. You're one of your mentors, Reggie Miller.
You're in New York. We literally know what Reggie Miller
did in Madison score Guard to the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
So what I'm saying is that Reggie Miller was at
a choke job by the Knicks when they lost that game.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
But that was a choke job because there's eight seconds left.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
But but Reggie made all a shot, So why why
is it because it was only eight se doesn't matter
to me?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
He scored, right, I had you score a bunch of
points from three minutes. I had to carry into overtime
and continue the Knicks. The Knicks did what Reggie Miller
did where he scored nine points in eight seconds.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Or whatever that was. That was watching that live was
my favorite basketball moment.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
People are like the Knicks choked, and that's what Reggie
said because he knew that that that shouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
That I'm saying that was an eight seconds you're up
like that with eight seconds, I'm saying this one. The
Pacers literally paced themselves and found a way to come
back and make every shot they made. It wasn't like
they were missing and they just made every shot from
there on all. So to me, they did something historic.
I give them a lot of credit. And the Knicks
have to make blunders. You can't come back without that.
(11:17):
So it's not as if they're inexcusable or they're you know,
there's not any blame on the Knicks without a doubt,
But I'm saying I watched that thing and a large
portion of that, to me was man and the Pacers
went out and stole that game. They took it from them,
and they made historic shots that we've literally never seen.
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Speaker 6 (11:46):
So yesterday SGA were talking about the show was crowned.
The NBA's MVP ran away with I think it was
seventy nine to twenty one or something like that in
the total votes. But interestingly enough, by finishing in the
silver medal spot, Nikola Jokic has accomplished defeat that we
have not seen in decades. Yesterday, the Joker became the
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first player since Larry Bird to finish in the top
two an MVP voting for five consecutive seasons. During that time,
he's either finished first three times or second twice.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
What's more, what's crazy is with the season he had
this year and the EMBIID Trophy that they gave to him.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
He could have.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
All right, because the EMBIID won after the finals last
year two years ago, people were like, we might.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Have made it. Thank god we got that award before.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
That, know that, Oh god, that would have been.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
And then obviously this year his numbers were better than
any of his MVP years, but Shay had to Lamar
Jackson first.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
The player guys in NBA history to finish the top
three in points, rebounds, and assists for a season, but
going back to the five year mark since the turn
of this decade, since twenty twenty, in the playoffs, the
joker who's really only had one deep playoff run in
that span, first in rebounds, assists, double doubles, triple doubles,
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oh any second in points in the playoffs during that span,
which led Yard Barker to put in a column that
Nikola Jokic as of now has been the player of
the decade in the NBA for the twenty twenties. Guys,
here's the question coming up here in about fifteen minutes
or so, we're gonna have two guys Sga and at Man,
(13:41):
who are many years saying are the future the next
faces of the NBA potentially. You guys talked about Tyre's
Halliburn and Jalen Brunson in our one Moving forward for
the next five years, do you expect that Nikola Jokic
will remain the NBA's Player of the decade.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I absolutely think so because he has such a head start,
and when you're that good the first five years, you
don't need to do with three or four years that right.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
All you need to do is have two really.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Good years and say the Nuggets win one championship, or
they get to the finals, whatever it is, and then
you got seven years where you were in either first
or second. Because I don't see his numbers going down,
and it doesn't mean he's gonna win up the MVP,
but he'll.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Be in that mix. He'll be in that mix.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
And if you're in that mix seven out of the
ten years, how you not the player of the It's
one thing. If he didn't win a championship, then you
could say somebody came along and won one or two
and that'll be the end of that.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
But if he.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Wins one possibly another one in the next five years,
or get to a finals and they lose in six
or seven games, you will look at it and go, man,
what a ten year run this has been.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I completely agree it's his to lose. What he's done
is remarkable. It's been incredible, and honestly every year you go,
I mean, he kind of is the MVP. It's having
happening now for five years, he's won a ring, he's
been MVPs, he's got the All star appearances. There's two
(15:16):
caveats I would like to offer, though, rob One, if
I have to make a case for something else. One
his own success individually cripples him because at this point, well,
we know you're good.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You gotta win.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Right when you get this good Michael Jordan Young flying
through the air, scoring budget scoring titles, we want to
see you win. And so he's got the one. But
you would start to think, if he's that good MVPs
all the time, or at least being first second, he
should have more rings. So I think does that work
against him? Let's say it continues how it has been
the last couple of years, first round, second round exits.
(15:50):
Does that flip in the last five six years turn
into well, if he's that good, why didn't he win more?
It was a whole decade he only got one and
the other caveat Rob is the only person nipping on
those heels a little bit to me who has a
shot two people, one in particular Yannis, because he has
two MVPs already. He already has finals, MVP and a ring,
(16:15):
so it's kind of matching you there. And he's been
right there in those finals races a couple of times too,
when you know, finishing very close. And if he were
to we know there's rumors he might want to go
somewhere else. Let's say he links up and goes to
the Spurs, as people are saying, because a possibility with
that number two, pick and him and winby just go
crazy for the next four or five, you know, six
years to the end of until we get to twenty
(16:35):
thirty and.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
He wins one, I don't even go crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Just say he wins two more, not three to four,
just wins one or two more, one or two more finals,
MVPs and MVP in there. He's already got a defensive
player year. He's been an eight time All NBA, five
time All defensive player. He's the only other one that
if it's and he's like this year average thirty twelve
and seven that's crazy. If it kept going for Yiannis,
He's the only one to me that I could be like,
(16:59):
all right, it's between those two.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
The only thing is your Gianni's thing. They've been disappointing
in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
You know about that, you know, I know that.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
So so I don't know how that works for Gianni's
but it doesn't, you know what I mean, like like
if you're looking at it.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
That's why I'm saying the Spurs if he goes somewhere where, and.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Even then if he goes to the Spurs, is it
going to be about Giannis or while people go, well
look where he went and what they did to Kevin Durant.
And not that the Spurs have wanted anything, but they
have to. You know, they have young players who who
could be a bigger part of it. And it could
be Weimby's team. I'm not saying that Yiannis would be
a third wheel or anything, but.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I could where it was it was a super team
or this that and it takes but they would.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Be like, wow, I mean he's playing with an unbelievable
player that we had never seen before and that and
that you take a little credit. I know we talk
about all the time, and I don't know why people
just don't buy into it. But the you know, Shaq
and Kobe being on the same team, why didn't win
you know.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
M VPS?
Speaker 4 (17:58):
And and it does he into you a little bit,
And I think the Joe goes right where it looks
to me, where you go he's doing this without you know,
you can talk about Murray all you want, but the
facts remain that there's no other number two, big time
player with him.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
I think that helps him.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It absolutely, That's why I'm agreeing he has the lead
right now. But I think Giannis is nipping and if
the last five years of the decade go in favor
of Gianni's not even drastically, but you can make a case.
The only other person I'll throw at you, it's not
gonna happen, but he can make a case. Resume wise,
possibly Jason Tatum. We know he's not better than Jokic,
(18:42):
but again, if he messes around and get two more
rings because he's gone, I mean, the finals already come
down East stays in the Eastern Conference finals, he could
have an insane resume where for the last you know,
say five or six of the years in the twenty twenties,
he was in the finals, maybe one, three, maybe Washington.
Maybe he won a couple, lost a couple, but that
(19:02):
could be a case. So to me, the only things
working against Kich is his own success individually maybe not
matching up to what we would want to see from
him collectively, Like he would need more rings, more finals
appearances if he's that great, because historically, if you own
a decade, well you've owned the finals, like we mentioned
Jordan owned the nineties, Magic owned the eighties nine final appearance,
(19:23):
which is absolutely crazy. You know, you got lebron ten
final appearances during the twenty tens and how many you know,
or however many he won and then and then Steph
owned the twenty tens and into the early twenty twenties.
So usually when you're the guy for a decade, there's
more finals appearances. So if Yo Kich or if he
gets to two more finals, even if he only wins one,
(19:43):
it's a rap to fight out. It's a rep give
him the twenty twenties. But I do think he has
to get to more finals appearances, or at least Eastern
you know, Western conference finals, like more regularly where he's
that great. You can automatically pencil him in for Western
Conference Final at a minimum.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
You know, yeah, he's going, He's going to be in
the mix.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
And if he wins one, one more or two, you know,
and he's in the top done. Yeah, because because of
his stats, and I still I think I really do
going into next year, he's the favorite MVP.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Or Okay, if I thought you meant the ring I
was about, I'm talking about VP m v P.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Yes, Yes, for two reasons real quick.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
A the numbers and Robb G just talked about what
he was able to do that nobody had done or whatever,
what three guys had done it in the history of
the NBA. And number two the shay flopping and all that.
I think people a little bit of the is coming
off of him. Can we see him now all the
time everybody's watching him and they're like, oh, that's a
(20:49):
real thing. I kind of I thought he was a
little better than that, you know, like this is like
kind of crazy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (20:55):
And I've heard people say, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
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Speaker 1 (21:11):
Man, we've been talking about, of course that the game
last night in the Eastern Conference Finals, Western Conference Final
Game two going on right now.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Keep you update on that in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
But one of the conversations that I think is interesting
we might start to have throughout this series, Rob becomes
Jalen Brunson one clutch player of the year. Tyre's Halliburton
has been the most clutch. We gave the stats a
little earlier. We'll give some more here in just a bit.
But you start to think, man, watching these two teams
run their teams in different ways as the point guards
(21:41):
and the leaders, is there a case that Halliburton is
the top point guard in the East right now?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Is it Jalen Brunton currently? Is this series determined at all?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So it's gonna be I think this is gonna be
an interesting battle between these two, these leaders of these
teams to to come out and say no, I'm the
top guard, top guy as far as the guard position
in the East, and for my money, Rob for more
so style of play. I think Tyre's Halliburton has a
(22:16):
system that can work beneficially for the team I think
the way he plays kind of Jason Kiddish, kind of
Steve Nashs in the way of moving the ball. I
can score when you need me too, has that dynamic
ability to get buckets. We see what he's doing on
the clutch tip because that's the crazy part. How clutch
he has been. He is now twelve or fourteen on
(22:37):
game tying and go ahead shots in the last two
minutes of fourth quarters of overtime this season.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
And you send it to Steph Curry go ahead. I mean,
that's a ridiculous stat right there. That's but that's what you'll.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Be known for him.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I'm serious. And there's more to rob.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
He is five or six of those in the playoffs,
and he and the Pacers there of course they're going
on that clutch playoff run we saw there.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
But last point, I'll let you get back to this thing.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
He is the most Mayfield goals to take or tie
the lead in the last ninety seconds of the fourth
quarter overtime in one playoff series run so far. That's
just so far. We still got this series in the
finals potension. He's got five this year. Lebron had five
and twenty eighteen. I remember that run, I was crazy.
Kevin Durant had five and twenty twelve, Dirk went crazy
as we know in twenty eleven with five, Ray Allen
(23:21):
in five in two thousand and nine, Ben Gordon five.
Ben Gordon five is crazy in two thousand and nine
and John stocked him with five and ninety seven. So
some great guys there to be on that list, and
he has a chance to take the lead again. As
we mentioned, he's got the rest of the Seri in
the finals. But I kind of like I like the
guy who has the ability to just set up everybody
until I need to dominate. I like the guy that
(23:42):
can change the pace in the tempo. And you can't
go wrong with either of these two. But I think
Jalen Brunton being ball dominant sometimes takes away from Karl
Anthony Towns and he loses the best of his big
fella because he has to do it all and sometimes
he doesn't get and that's why I don't think you
often get where they both have great games to get.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Sometimes I'm not even sure Cat is out there.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
And that can't be.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
That's how I can't be.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
That's how I feel sometimes in watching it and You'll
see Jalen Brunson score eighteen points in a row or something,
and I'm like, Okay, you're.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Like, uh, that's not og just out there, or Bridges.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
That's Kat who is a really really good offensive player
who can get hot, as we saw in Game one
last night. So sometimes I think it turns into Allen Iverson,
which is fine if that's the system, right. Usually when
you have an Allen Iverson, a Luca a Lebron, at
times sometimes you look at Lebron rosters. Not all the time,
(24:38):
but sometimes you're like, all right, this team isn't the best,
but it fit the system because let me do everything.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I'm a driving driving, I'm kicking out for you.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Shoot, I'm gonna get to the Hall of Duncan and
Alan Iverson right, you know you were covering the league.
We don't have a lot around them because the system
is get on the ball, we're gonna play defense, we're
gonna rebound, and every now and again I'll knock down
this South.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
That's the system.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
And I think Jaylen brunt And gets locked into that
sometimes and I think it just takes away from the
flow a little bit, takes away from Carlthony times. He
is a dynamic. He's amazing. He gets maybe more out
of that six foot one frame. And I don't even
know if he's sick. They can list him in six
to one. I don't even know if he's six one.
Probably not right, yeah, but I think.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, but that's so.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I just think I like the way Tyreez Halliburton kind
of can I can take it easy and it boom,
pick up when I need to, and I think it's
uh the way he.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Is able to distribute to other players and make them better,
but also not afraid of those big moments and the
time comes he's not okay, now, he's a distributor, but
he's not going to just give up the ball to
somebody else and ask them to make that shot. I
think that's the part that I like a lot that
he does. He didn't have to do it all game.
(25:50):
He didn't have to, you know, have the ball and
make sure that he's getting his shots up or whatever.
But when the time comes and he knows, okay, we
need this or whatever, he's not looking to pass the ball.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Right, he can go get it.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
And I think Jalen Brunton is the better play you're
in the sense of all right, if I need game seven,
you know who do you think can go get it done.
I can understand why, like Brunt said, okay, because he
has the capability to go get thirty forty fifty.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
That's just with his makeup the way he is. I
get that. But Halliburton was on the Olympic team. He
was there's people out there who like him despite what
he's been All NBA players have said, you know what
I mean, And then after this postseason, people will really
take notice because of what he's been able to do.
You saw people don't remember those people don't forget those
(26:39):
kind of games.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Oh what out of it?
Speaker 5 (26:41):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Like when you watched that last night, you won't forget it.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Whatever, you won't. And those are the things that I
keep using that phrase. The regular season you make your name.
The playoffs is where you make your fame. We all
knew Halliburton. We all, yeah, he's nice, he's nice. He
is making his fame. He is putting people on notice.
And I actually didn't have a problem with him being
voted most overrated. And what I mean by that is,
if you have let's say you have twenty all stars,
(27:06):
we know there's a couple more, but let's just say
twenty of them for the easy number of it.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
And because you're never gonna pick a middling guy.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
We're not gonna say lou Dort is the most overrated, right,
You're gonna pick somebody who's really really good, because that's
why you might think they're overrated, because I don't think
he's a top ten player, but other people do. So
to me, if I'm having one hundred players in the league,
vote like, we gotta pick somebody, you know what I mean,
it's up to you to be like, make them pay.
And that's what he's been on. He's been on a
(27:32):
tour right now. I can't believe y'all voted me the
most overrated. Let me remind y'all or let me introduce
some of you to who I am. And it's been
great to see. But I'm like, somebody had to be
like it might have another really good player.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It might have been.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I don't think players when they really do that. I
don't think they do that due diligence or really analyze anything.
It's whether they like you or not. And I think
that has something or you talked about it with money money.
Oh he got paid. Look at all that money. I
can't believe they paid them do exactly exactly. So then
so then it's like, oh, he's overraty. He don't deserve that.
(28:06):
That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
You don't know what it got it.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I don't think they look at it really breakdown, like
how what kind of a player he is?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I think if we did this, what was that maybe
eight nine years ago when Mike Conley, remember he was
the highest payder. I think if they did that, then
it might have been Mike Conley, and not that he
wasn't really good, it was just but it's just like, wait,
Mike Conley is the highest played player in the NBA.
He's he's good, but he ain't even been an All Star?
What what Mike Conley? I ain't saying he ain't good.
He can play on my team any day, but he's
(28:33):
the most and I think he might have gotten to
that year. So I do think money plays a role
because you kind of take the money you master talent,
like we would do a quarterback Trevor Lawrence making forty five.
Hold on, he alright, he's he ain't that Dak Prescott
making sixty Wait whit whoa, whoa, he's not he ain't on.
So I think money plays a role into your being
rated where we rate you. But Tyre's Halliburton. I'm just
(28:55):
I'm just a fan of still seeing the traditional traditional
He's still not like an old old school throwback, but
the traditional point guard. He's kind of like a Isaiah Thomas.
And then that I can go get a bucket. I
can score, but I'll still average ten to eleven assists.
I'll move the ball, I understand pacing, and then like
you said, he can sniff it all rights, crunch time.
(29:16):
Let me go get some buckets, right, let me let
me Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
I could do this, and I'll have no issue shooting
the basketball.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
In those moments into the hall.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
I love guys like that, right, And you see the
Knicks game in the lane and he still pulled it
back out, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Back out? That was actually comical.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
He did that too. And then did you see that
at the end of the game when they were inbounding
the ball, he just gave it to cat.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
No, we might have to fight because they're saying it
jokingly like I was just giving the ball.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Would it's only point two seconds I would just give it,
and he was like, here you go. Okay, no, we
got a scrap, bro.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Right, what you trying to do. You're trying to humiliate.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Me, You're not.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
You already have stole it, said, we choked it away,
and now you're out here just handing me the ball.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Now you got to see me in the parking lit bro.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
I was like, games over here, you do with it?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I love it to bank the shot, I know, I know,
I love that though, just because again, you know, I
think we need a little pettiness, we need a little rivalry's.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Feady, and those are the stuff that they don't like
about Halliburton, which is fine.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
The other little thing that you heard Charles Barkley say
that he wants the commissioner to let.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah, and no.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Popsk you can't offer forgiveness in these streets, right, Oh
you can't.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
But I just think you gotta be careful if you don't,
because if you do that and somebody else does it
and then you let him come back sooner, you know,
like you got to be careful because people will watch
that and then say, well, why was he allowed to
come back and and do that?
Speaker 5 (30:44):
And somebody else. That's all. You gotta be careful, that's all.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Here's why I'll say I'm okay with it because you
just said. Watch And one thing we sometimes forget in
this game is the NBA or it picked the sport.
Sports are entertainment. Sometimes wet it's life or death. It's entertainment.
And now Halliburton is the star right now. He's having
a great playoff run. And and we know that daddy is.
But it was indefinite, they said, in the meaning we
(31:09):
all know two games, ten games, the whole play definite definite,
So you know what.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
The rest of the postseason. Sorry, come on back.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
That's the last time anybody will run out there, family
member and do some crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
We need this entertainment. Everybody gonna want to see it.
Come on, it's entertainment. Don't forget that part in the
sports world. Sometimes we forget that. But Halliburton is, uh,
he's definitely reminding some people and introducing himself like that
shack line. I'm sorry, I didn't know. You're unfamiliar with
your game. Halliburton is doing it, and don't get in
twisted brunt. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Can you imagine, oh my, if I was a player,
I said thanks, thanks for okay.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Sorry I was unfamiliar with your game. Yes, and play
eighty two of them.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I know. I'm sorry though,
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