June 9, 2025 • 28 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain why Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is a great player but isn’t quite a superstar, debate whether the Pittsburgh Steelers would’ve been better off with Matthew Stafford than Aaron Rodgers, and tell us if the NBA is doing a bad job of showcasing the NBA Finals television product.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thunder yesterday in a lackluster game overall, but anyway, they
tied the series one one.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I just mean kind of.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
A blowout, you know what I mean, like that they
just took care you know, in the second quarter. They
they they did what they needed to do, and it
just it wasn't great to watch. I'm just saying period.
Not it doesn't matter who you're pulling for. You hope
for it to be just more of a little I'm
a little more competitive, That's all I'm saying. But anyway, obviously,
uh Shaye continues to do what he's done all year
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and accolades and of course he wanted the MVP, and
you know, the whole conversation is about him, and you
keep hearing it that they got to come up with
some storyline, right, So the storyline is is he a superstar?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
You know, and again time and time again. Superstar is not.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Just because you were the MVP or just because you
won something, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Like that is not what determines whether or not, to me,
you're a superstar. It's bigger than that. And it's not
just on the field.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
It's not just or on the court, you know what
I mean, like just putting up numbers, And it's not
just winning, because there are guys to me who are
not one who are clearly superstars.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
And the biggest one to me, and I say, is
Aaron Judge.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Is there any doubt in your mind, Kelvin that he's
a superstar?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
And he hasn't won a World Series.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
And he's had his failures in the season, and he
dropped the easiest fly ball to center field and probably
the history of mankind.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Lamar Jackson has not won yet.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
People are disappointed at him in the postseason, But guess what,
he's a superstar.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Do you doubt it?
Speaker 5 (02:16):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
No, no, no, And in fact so much so that
everybody's clamoring from the win.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Right because he's that good and he moves the needle.
So when you talk about superstars.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
That's why I think people get caught up with the
prisoner of the moment. Oh, he won the MVP's about
the win, has a chance to win a championship and whatnot,
And that doesn't mean he's a great player. And this
is gonna you know, if they do win it, which
I still don't think they will, but if he wins,
it'll it'll be a hell of a year all the
way around. For all the stuff that he's done, First
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Team all NBA. I mean, there's nothing else you could
ask for him to do. Still, I don't think that
elevates him to that plateau. I think a superstar has
only a handful of superuperstars in sports, not everybody. Michael
Jordan is a superstar to.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
This very day.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah you know, you know, I'm just saying to this day,
and he hasn't played in fifteen or twenty years, am
I right? Like he's a superstar. He is, So that's
my no disrespect to Shay. Everybody's not a superstar. Him
winning a NBA championship will not elevate him to that.
Did you have a great years? You're a great player,
without question, superstar. No.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
I here's the thing, superstar, I think.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
And this is where those people you're referring to, you're
maybe fifteen feet away from one of them. That's Robb G.
And I had to school Robb G today. Earlier on
our call, rob G, I had to tell him, you're
mixing up a heck of a basketball player. You could
argue the best basketball player, maybe the second basketball player
in the entire world, that would be SGA.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
He is absolutely that.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
But to me, when you're talking superstar, there are distinct factors, features,
attributes that have to happen to give you that he's
not quite there yet. He has the potential to maybe
be there, but as we sit here currently.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And one of the things is we know he's an
amazing score right. I've been telling y'all all series long.
Just put him down for thirty five points instantly. Just
put him down thirty five points. He's gonna do that.
And he's setting records too. I mean, you're looking at
the numbers in ten playoff games, he's averaging basically thirty
three seven in a couple of steals as well on
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dagnir fifty to forty ninety almost eighty seven percent from
the free throw thirty nine from three, but almost fifty
forty ninety. This is crazy plus minus plus eighty three.
So the quality of basketball player is super but the
level of stardom he's not super star super nova. He's
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not there yet. There's and there's still work to be
done in that regard. And that's what I think the
difference is. You could argue there are a handful of
people who have haven't won, and we're superstars. Charles Barkley
was a superstar even though he hadn't won.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Current NBA I believe you.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Luka Datchets is a superstar even though he hasn't won.
So there's there's an eyeball test, there's storylines, there's narratives
mixed in with the quality of your play, your game
that makes you a superstar. And SGA he is saving
basketball in the sense that you don't have to shoot
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a bunch of threes in order to win. But the
style in which mid ranging, slithering to the hole and
knocking down the free throws to the tune of eleven
or twelve last night, it's just not superstar stuff quite yet.
You know, doesn't have a gang of commercial, doesn't have
a signature move, per se these things, but it's okay.
We have to be okay with consistency and the and
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the boring of consistency sometimes meaning he's just very good
every night, plays both ends of the floors, and that's
okay too.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
But he's not a superstar yet.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Can I give you one. I'll give you one.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Tim Duncan, who was a free throw miss away from
being six and zero in the finals, just like Michael Jordan. Okay,
and he won the Superstar. As great as he was,
he won the Superstar. Most people probably couldn't even don't
remember anything he said or did you know what I mean?
Outside of being the big fundamentals and playing basketball like
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that doesn't make you a superstar, right you would say
he's five for six in the finals.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
What do you mean, Yeah, winnigas and everything.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I mean, it is not not in the Superstar game.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Alan Iverson never won a ring, and I don't know
if the Superstar gets much bigger than him. I mean,
Alan Iverson was one of one. He was that guy
and he never won. So Shay Gildas Alexander, however, would
be sitting next to if he was our guest saying
I could care less just like Tim Duncan could care less.
I won a bunch of rings in his case trying
to win his first one.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
I won an MVP. I love my team and they'll
be a okay.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
But on the grander conversation that we're having, I don't
equate him to a superstar yet, and neither do I
with Tyrus Alibert. I think he stole the show of
the postseason with it, hands down to me.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
But that doesn't make you a superstar either.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
And I think I just think there's a big difference
between being a great player having big moments, you know, and.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Being a superstar.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Robert Lorrie made some of the biggest shots in NBA history,
a ton of them, right, help teams win championships. I
was sitting right near one of them when he made
the shot against the.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Pistons, right.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I was in the building too.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I was there for that, all right, and we all
know everybody knew when he got the ball, Oh god,
you know what I mean, like like, don't let big
shots Bob get it, And he got it, and big
shot Bob put it down and the Pistons lost that
game and then over yeah, ultimately the series. But my
point is was he a superstar, No, but he had
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clutch ots. He helped his team win big time, Like
was he clutch? Absolutely doesn't mean you're a superstar, yep.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And I think I see he could be on his
way because I think he's at the apex of really
really good or a star and all the wrong way
to go. But he's not superstar. And I think an
example of a Jokic is at the low end of
a superstar, just got into that next level to me,
So they're like really only a layer between those two
(08:29):
in my mind, like ones at the lowest of a superstar,
ones at the top of an all star, and they're
near each other to me.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
The other thing about the Joker is he's done stuff.
The thing that's incredible is he last year alone, he
did three things nobody ever did in the NBA. Like
when you start to see stuff like that, that's where
you separate yourself from other people, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I think his passing gets him that because we're just
not used to seeing a big man be like everybody.
There have been other good passers. Bill Walton was a
heck of a passer. Chris weber Vladi divis.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Well when you have sixty and twenty.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, and then he had there's like three things he
did last year that nobody had done.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
In the NBA.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Did it?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Did he do like a forty years forty twenty twenty?
Day six got him twenty? He did?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
He's got a relaxed Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
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Speaker 3 (09:26):
Here's where the story doesn't make any sense to me.
First of all, they dodged a big bullet by not
signing getting going after Matthew Stafford. His numbers were horrendous
last year for the Rams. Can you imagine this? He
threw twenty touchdowns in seventeen games. Twenty touchdowns in seventeen games.
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He was really, really bad. They had a bad stretch
at one point where the Rams were averaging maybe thirteen
or fourteen points a game.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
It was pretty pretty ugly.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And u So they were lucky there that they're not
paying Matthew Stafford, thirty seven years old, with numbers that
had declined last year fifty million or whatever. The number
would have been fifty million, which is crazy. And here's
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the other thing. The Aaron Rodgers, as we talked about,
had better stats. Aaron Rodgers threw for more yards three
eight hundred ninety seven to thirty seven sixty two, had
more touchdowns twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Then Stafford have twenty right? Twenty right? Was that the number? Yeah,
that's what I thought, right.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So that part they were lucky and they were smart
not to bite on the Stafford thing because you'd have
to give up players and pay the guy fifty million
after coming off twenty touchdowns in seventeen games. The other part,
justin Fields, that to me is a non story because
Justin Fields, there's two things. If they really wanted him
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and he was the second option, they would not say
to him, you're gonna be the starting quarterback and you're
our guy.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
So you couldn't really want him.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
If that was the sticking point, If you really believe
you had something, you would have said to Justin Fields, absolutely,
whatever it is, we saw you when you were four
and two before we benched you because we didn't think
you were the best option and you're gonna be the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
They couldn't even do that.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
They couldn't even guarantee him the starting job. When you'll
come in to camp, you're the quarterback from Jump Street.
So of course that's why he ran to the Jets,
right He ran there because they don't have anybody, So
that part of the story doesn't make sense. If they
really wanted justin Fields, they worked with them all last year.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
They got to see him up close.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
If they really believe he's a quarterback in the future,
sign the guy, give.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Him the job.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
What are you looking for if you knew that this
was your So I think they dodged a bullet in
both cases. Aaron Rodgers is still better than Matthew Stafford.
Matthew Stafford has never been better than Aaron Rodgers at
any point of his career ever. Even the Super Bowl
he won, Stafford threw two interceptions and that should have
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been three. Was that the NFC Championship game that he
threw the game losing interception that was dropped?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
What was that kid's.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Name was, to quashteve Tart or whatever?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Guess what Kelvin is? He still in the NFL. He
hadn't been in the NFL since that play. That ball
was right to him.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
You could throw that ball.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
One hundred times go look at it, Google it, go
to YouTube. You could look at that playoff up, throw
that ball one hundred times and guess how many times
he would catch that ball. Ninety nine and a half
times he would catch that ball, and instead he dropped
it and it saved Matthew Stafford's bacon, so to steal.
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They were very fortunate in this, and sometimes, guess what,
the best things that happened to you aren't always planned,
and I think that's what happened here for the stealers.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Boy, I'm so glad I'm here to talk some sense
anity for these people.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Let me tell you why you were wrong, my friend.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
First and foremost, let's dive a little deeper into this
disrespect you're trying to put on Matthew Stafford because I
know you like to call him Matthew Stafford or whatever
you call him. Matthew Stafford had twenty touchdowns and eight interceptions,
so you're making it like he only had twenty touchdowns
and had like eighteen interceptions last year. Also, the Rams
decided to run the ball a lot, and he was
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missing his top receivers for quite some time. We know
that Matthew Stafford has been exactly what the Rams have
needed twenty touchdowns eight interceptions. Last year, the Rams ran
the ball, and you know he was without his top
receivers on and off throughout the whole year. Let's continue
with some numbers, Rob Parker, since you want to talk for.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Your guy, Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
In his games for seven games for the Rams in
the playoffs, Matthew Stafford has a quarterback of passing rating
of one hundred and nine point two two thousand yards,
fifteen touchdowns and three interceptions in seven games. He has
been dominant for them throughout his time as their quarterback
in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
He's also, as you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Four years younger, and the forty two million dollars that
they would have had to pay him on average between
forty this coming year, forty four this year forty the.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Next puts them pretty much where he should be.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I mean, you look at all the quarterbacks who will
be making more money than him. You look at Dak Prescott,
Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence Tuloa, Jered Goff, Brock,
perty Justin Herbert Lamar Jackson, and then you get a
few other guys ahead of him. Forty two million dollars
for a good quarterback, A super Bowl winning quarterback. Approven
quarterback is par for the course. That's pretty much average
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money now for a good quarterback. So if I get
the guy for two three years, who is younger, who
is healthier, who has had stronger arm that's not even
a question at this point, and who, like I mentioned,
I have a chance to build with proactively and longer.
Why am I bringing in a guy it just be
might be solid for a year and then I got
to move on?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
What's the point of that?
Speaker 4 (15:16):
To me?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
That's the genuine part I've never understood in this is
that if Aaron Rodgers is solid, let's give him twenty
two touchdowns, to give him eight interceptions, not bad, not good,
but okay, and we go nine and eight eight nine.
What was the point of that? Why not be building
towards something, some something sustainable. I genuinely don't understand that part.
Why am I so excited to have a guy for
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one year who's forty one going on forty two now
like he's thirty six?
Speaker 5 (15:42):
I get that, So help me understand that easy.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
As Lebroncos who won a Super Bowl with Peyton Manning
as the Tampa Bay Bucks, who won a Super Bowl
with Tom bro I'm just the idea that you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
For one year, anybody would take a chance.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
One year everybody, anybody would take a chance. Okay, but
but my point is you need one. There's only one
team you could play for. But it doesn't what you're
saying time. But what you're saying makes no sense. Well,
he could still play, and if he's in a better situation.
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You'll find out this year that again it was the Jets.
You weren't on the show, but Rob G will tell you.
I told him it was a mistake to go to
the Jets. Rob G did not say that that it
would end badly, because that's what's happened to everybody who
goes to the Jets. I told him before it even happened.
I watched this team my whole life. I didn't even
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doubt it. I said it.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Here's my point.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
No, but my point is at Stafford, he threw the
game when he touched down right in the in the
Super Bowl, right, but he didn't win the Super Bowl MVP.
Why twenty six for forty three and I mean three
touchdowns and two interceptions. That's why he's an interception machine.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
That's why he didn't win the MVP.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
His very few quarterbacks, very few who don't throw a
game winning touchdown at the end, remember that game was
out at the wire, and then don't win the MVP
because he didn't play well enough to be an MVP
with two interceptions in the Super Bowl. That's my point.
And my other point is the Steelers never wanted justin Fields.
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They could have easily committed to him. How in the
world could they not tell that kid, he's a young kid,
was supposedly upside. They could have easily said, the job
is yours, come in as number one, and that's it.
And the best part of this whole thing Aaron Rodgers
making thirteen and a half and Stafford forty two, and
then that means you could add all the pieces to
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the team and you could build for the future. It's okay, Hey,
he Aaron judged. Aaron Rodgers could be a stop gap.
That happens all the time. Look at all the great
quarterbacks who finished their careers elsewhere. This is not new,
This is the NFL. This is what happens over and over.
And guess what. Stafford almost finished his career somewhere else.
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Even after winning a Super Bowl, he was close. The
Rams told him to go ahead and take a look.
Look around. That's how much they wanted him go take it,
take a look and guess what. He didn't get as
much money as he could have gotten on the open market.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
The Giants off of him more.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Robie. Here's my thing.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Aaron Rodgers is not that great anymore, and so he's
not the guy to come and change your franchise. And
that's okay, And they're not built right now to have
that guy.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
The difference between you keep bringing up Peyton Manny.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Peyton Manning was coming off and in saying couple of
years putting up crazy stats that still he was still
the sheriff. Tom Brady was still coming off being Tommy.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
He won all but they won a Super Bowl with
a bad Peyton man My point, and my point is.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
The Steelers ain't the Broncos right now, and the Steelers
are not definitely not the Buccaneers when it comes to
talent on the outside and when it comes to the
team's defense. So what I'm saying is they went to
the most ideal situations. He's going to a team with
Russell Wilson, who was essentially him at this point, losing
six straight, who lost their best receiver, who lost their
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running back, and their defensive players are getting older. So
this is not an optimal situation. He's going to. He's
not going to the Ravens. They Lamar Jackson decided to
retire early, and he's going to the Ravens. He's going
to the Bills, where you say, ooh, okay, now you
might be cooking.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
The Steelers aren't that right now?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
So to expect on a bad Achilles of an almost
forty two year old to all of a sudden be
great when he hasn't been great, That's what I'm saying.
What's gonna happen when Lamar Jackson is up fourteen to three,
Aaron Rodgers is not gonna bring you back. What's gonna
happen with Joe Burrow and that offense gets you up seventeen.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
To to seven, he comes giving Because we've seen it
happen before.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yes, you are.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
And last year Stafford during a three game stretch in
December when they needed to win to make the playoffs,
Stafford and the offense averaged fourteen points a game.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
In this NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
They were lucky to win all three of those games
because it was the defense that was able to win
it for him. And last year, Rogers' offense scored twenty
points or more right, ten times the same as Stafford.
The difference was that one had a defense that stepped
up and the other one their defense gave it up.
The Jets lost five games last year where they couldn't
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where they couldn't stop to the other team's offense and
gave it up at the end of game.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
And a missfield goal.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So the still defense, who isn't as good? You just
said the Jets we all expected their defense. No, they
weren't good last year. They were not good.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
What I said, we expected them to begin, No, I
expect them to get a stop eventually.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
And then the Steelers defense we expected to be great.
It wasn't that great. So Aaron Rodgers is five and
twelve if the defense ain't that great. So that's pretty
much what we and it's baby goes seven and ten.
You said, I thought you said.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
You said five wins. That's the Steelers five.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
No, that's what they did last year. He did with
the Jets with a defense that wasn't that great. That's
what he's gonna do around seven seven and ten Max
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. Well, they played
the Jets week one, so there's one so they just
gotta win. Justin wields go thrash. Only okay, he just
fields go. Doesn't mean they should have let him go. Rob.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
You keep saying they had all a chance to look
the watch they.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Watched to make guy this is they watched him. He's all,
he's a young guy on his third team in three years.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
That's the guy.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
He's on his third team in three seats and touchdowns,
one interception, four and two.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Who gets rid of that guy? Make it?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Make plenty of plenty of people. Obviously two other teams did.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
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Speaker 5 (21:57):
Roger, I ain't need you to set the table.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Okay, I'm about to get to the sound about to
say on the podcast. He had a lot to say
when it comes to coaching and his sons in particular,
and how he lets them get coached.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Let's listen.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
I've never got involved with my kids coaches, you know
from Briannie growing up to where he is now and Bryce,
you know, on his way to Tucson, Arizona. I've never
got involved. I've never went to a practice and sat
through practice the whole time and see how my son
was being utilized. I've never got on the phone with
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the coaches. Listen, he's there. Coach my son, coach from
however you want to. And I think you need to
hold him accountable. I hope you hold him more accountable
than any other kid.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Here. Once again, if you had anybody who was on
the other side of the microphone, as in Steve Nash,
who could push back and say anything like these podcasts
are useless. So he sits there, he lets Lebron say that,
and all he had to do was say, did you
pick up the phone and talk to Rob Polinka with
(23:01):
the with Bronnie drafting Bronnie or or was that just
the Lakers?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
You never talked to the.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Lakers about making sure that he was gonna play with
you because you were never involved. Come on, what is
that really? Well, does that make sense to you? He's
never involved, never said anything about any of his kids.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Is that the only thing, the only thing I can
make sense to this is if you're going now that
he's trying to become a professional, I'm going to throw
you the lob figuratively literally to getting into the NBA.
So I think, no, he says, no, that's not what
I mean. It can There is no greater definition of
getting involved in.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
That's what That's what I'm saying, James, like, you can't
at least address it?
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Can you at least address it? Can?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Steve Nast say, but what happened with Bronnie getting drafted
by the Lakers?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Did you make a call?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Did you go out with.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Rob Polinka to dinner and Genie Bonson say hey, I
want this to happen.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
How did that come about?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Were you involved in that?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Is done?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Anything wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
This is where Steve Nash listens and then he goes,
so what changed with Bronnie? Like, how did you do?
Did you get involved with that? Was this just an
opportunity so I couldn't let go?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Or what?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And he it was there, you know, explains whatever his
reasoning is for why that is. But yeah, it's a
completely Once you say that, it does make it. It's
a the stark difference of what happened with Bronnie. So
I would like to hear what changed, That's all. I
would like to hear why you got involved with this?
(24:38):
Why you didn't say I chose for him to go
on his own path in the NBA exactly. I'm gonna
have a problem with him doing it, you know that.
But it just explained your thought process. If this is
how you've conducted it the first seventeen eighteen years, that's
my point.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
You can't say that you never got involved or anything,
or you just let you know what I mean, because
you did.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
That's the only way. That's that's how he got there.
What changed with that? Hey, well, if you want to,
you can just.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Say, you know what, I didn't get involved because I
thought it would be pretty neat all, right, like you
know or whatever. And I did reach out and they
were receptive to it. They got out of respect to me,
whatever it is. But to just ignore like he wasn't involved,
Like that's what I'm talking about. Like the idea of
having a podcast and having questions and talking about stuff.
(25:27):
A podcast isn't just to just talk and not have
any dialogue. It's like I talk about the shop all
the time, right, Kelvin.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
You've been in barber shops, dude, you could mean you could.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I could walk in with this black Jordan pullover on
and somebody else say it's blue, it's navy blue, or
it's brown.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Get to U yelling at am?
Speaker 5 (25:46):
I right, man?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
You coming in here with that Jordan? Man, Jordan, they
don't even make no good stuff anymore? What you crazy?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Man?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
George?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Why like Adidas and now we got an hour discussion
or Adidas versus Jordan's.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
What everybody can't be like if you're peaching to the choir,
to Barbara, what you're gonna agree with everything?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Come on, blasphemis that is the polar opposite? Uh in
a barbershop.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
I've owned a.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Barbershop for twenty three years. Man, I going there and
it's World War three?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
You know that?
Speaker 5 (26:12):
On you?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
You can't even go in there and say your own man,
my name is Kelvin. No, it ain't mad cousin. My
cousin name spells name just like you. We call him Kevin.
I know what my name is, kel No, I'll tell
you her name. I'm just saying, bro, it's Kelvin.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Yeah. I think this is where again?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
To me?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
It was a great opportunity for him to express this.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't know that we fully have heard him talk
about this in a full, chilled, casual, I'm sipping on
wine way to say this is what I was thinking.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
This was my thought process. I knew Browny wanted to
do this.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Da da da da, because the only times we really
heard were the quick answers at like a press conference
during the beginning of this past Laker season.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
So this was an opportunity to tell hey, man, it
was different.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
It could have been.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I had to put my foot I said, look, man,
it's one an opportunity, lifetime chance to play with my son,
and no one's ever on it like this.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I had to change.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I had to do it, and Steve Nash to be like, wow,
what did you think of the criticism? Like there could
have been a cool, casual dialogue about this. And I
do think it was a missed opportunity for us to
get some more insight on that, especially saying I've been
hands off with my sons when it comes to hoops
right and everything else previously.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
That that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
And you know, you know what, Ron, your head is
gonna explode when we get Bryce in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I'll be retired by then.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
No, we're getting not this coming season.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
He's got to do his one away and Lebron won't
be in the league though. By then he's.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Gonna play with Bryce, maybe not on the same team,
but he will have Bryce and Brianny, and the Lakers won't.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
The Lakers aren't gonna go that route by that time
because Bryce is actually gonna be good and they're not
going Other teams are not going for that.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
If he's a talent, they're not. I'm telling that you
could do that.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
You could do that when when somebody's not high on
their list and you want to play that game, if
he's a talent and they think that he could help
them win, ain't no way they listening to that and said,
oh yeah, we're gonna let the Lakers get him, even
though it should.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Be drafted higher or we have a higher pick. I
don't buy it.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Rob g make sure bosses, Scott, make sure we get
the game. Go to that game when us the Lakers,
Bronni and Lebron versus in the league by Atlanta Hawks
and Bryce and Bryce, Bryce.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Brownie would still be in the league.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
He gonna hang out for the Union, the Faanly Reunion.
They're gonna let him go the Faanly Reunion.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
After that, anything's possible, but they gonna make make sure
it's a family reunion with the James Boys. Watch and Rob.
We gotta be there eating popcorner person so I can
watch you. It's gonna be hilarious.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thunder yesterday in a lackluster game overall, but anyway, they
tied the series one one.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I just mean kind of.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
A blowout, you know what I mean, like that they
just took care you know, in the second quarter. They
they they did what they needed to do, and it
just it wasn't great to watch. I'm just saying period.
Not it doesn't matter who you're pulling for. You hope
for it to be just more of a little I'm
a little more competitive, That's all I'm saying. But anyway, obviously,
uh Shaye continues to do what he's done all year
(00:58):
and accolades and of course he wanted the MVP, and
you know, the whole conversation is about him, and you
keep hearing it that they got to come up with
some storyline, right, So the storyline is is he a superstar?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
You know, and again time and time again. Superstar is not.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Just because you were the MVP or just because you
won something, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Like that is not what determines whether or not, to me,
you're a superstar. It's bigger than that. And it's not
just on the field.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
It's not just or on the court, you know what
I mean, like just putting up numbers, And it's not
just winning, because there are guys to me who are
not one who are clearly superstars.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
And the biggest one to me, and I say, is
Aaron Judge.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Is there any doubt in your mind, Kelvin that he's
a superstar?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
And he hasn't won a World Series.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
And he's had his failures in the season, and he
dropped the easiest fly ball to center field and probably
the history of mankind.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Lamar Jackson has not won yet.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
People are disappointed at him in the postseason, But guess what,
he's a superstar.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Do you doubt it?
Speaker 5 (02:16):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
No, no, no, And in fact so much so that
everybody's clamoring from the win.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Right because he's that good and he moves the needle.
So when you talk about superstars.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
That's why I think people get caught up with the
prisoner of the moment. Oh, he won the MVP's about
the win, has a chance to win a championship and whatnot,
And that doesn't mean he's a great player. And this
is gonna you know, if they do win it, which
I still don't think they will, but if he wins,
it'll it'll be a hell of a year all the
way around. For all the stuff that he's done, First
(02:48):
Team all NBA. I mean, there's nothing else you could
ask for him to do. Still, I don't think that
elevates him to that plateau. I think a superstar has
only a handful of superuperstars in sports, not everybody. Michael
Jordan is a superstar to.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
This very day.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah you know, you know, I'm just saying to this day,
and he hasn't played in fifteen or twenty years, am
I right? Like he's a superstar. He is, So that's
my no disrespect to Shay. Everybody's not a superstar. Him
winning a NBA championship will not elevate him to that.
Did you have a great years? You're a great player,
without question, superstar. No.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
I here's the thing, superstar, I think.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
And this is where those people you're referring to, you're
maybe fifteen feet away from one of them. That's Robb G.
And I had to school Robb G today. Earlier on
our call, rob G, I had to tell him, you're
mixing up a heck of a basketball player. You could
argue the best basketball player, maybe the second basketball player
in the entire world, that would be SGA.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
He is absolutely that.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
But to me, when you're talking superstar, there are distinct factors, features,
attributes that have to happen to give you that he's
not quite there yet. He has the potential to maybe
be there, but as we sit here currently.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And one of the things is we know he's an
amazing score right. I've been telling y'all all series long.
Just put him down for thirty five points instantly. Just
put him down thirty five points. He's gonna do that.
And he's setting records too. I mean, you're looking at
the numbers in ten playoff games, he's averaging basically thirty
three seven in a couple of steals as well on
(04:30):
dagnir fifty to forty ninety almost eighty seven percent from
the free throw thirty nine from three, but almost fifty
forty ninety. This is crazy plus minus plus eighty three.
So the quality of basketball player is super but the
level of stardom he's not super star super nova. He's
(04:52):
not there yet. There's and there's still work to be
done in that regard. And that's what I think the
difference is. You could argue there are a handful of
people who have haven't won, and we're superstars. Charles Barkley
was a superstar even though he hadn't won.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Current NBA I believe you.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Luka Datchets is a superstar even though he hasn't won.
So there's there's an eyeball test, there's storylines, there's narratives
mixed in with the quality of your play, your game
that makes you a superstar. And SGA he is saving
basketball in the sense that you don't have to shoot
(05:28):
a bunch of threes in order to win. But the
style in which mid ranging, slithering to the hole and
knocking down the free throws to the tune of eleven
or twelve last night, it's just not superstar stuff quite yet.
You know, doesn't have a gang of commercial, doesn't have
a signature move, per se these things, but it's okay.
We have to be okay with consistency and the and
(05:51):
the boring of consistency sometimes meaning he's just very good
every night, plays both ends of the floors, and that's
okay too.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
But he's not a superstar yet.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Can I give you one. I'll give you one.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Tim Duncan, who was a free throw miss away from
being six and zero in the finals, just like Michael Jordan. Okay,
and he won the Superstar. As great as he was,
he won the Superstar. Most people probably couldn't even don't
remember anything he said or did you know what I mean?
Outside of being the big fundamentals and playing basketball like
(06:28):
that doesn't make you a superstar, right you would say
he's five for six in the finals.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
What do you mean, Yeah, winnigas and everything.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I mean, it is not not in the Superstar game.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Alan Iverson never won a ring, and I don't know
if the Superstar gets much bigger than him. I mean,
Alan Iverson was one of one. He was that guy
and he never won. So Shay Gildas Alexander, however, would
be sitting next to if he was our guest saying
I could care less just like Tim Duncan could care less.
I won a bunch of rings in his case trying
to win his first one.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
I won an MVP. I love my team and they'll
be a okay.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
But on the grander conversation that we're having, I don't
equate him to a superstar yet, and neither do I
with Tyrus Alibert. I think he stole the show of
the postseason with it, hands down to me.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
But that doesn't make you a superstar either.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
And I think I just think there's a big difference
between being a great player having big moments, you know, and.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Being a superstar.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Robert Lorrie made some of the biggest shots in NBA history,
a ton of them, right, help teams win championships. I
was sitting right near one of them when he made
the shot against the.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Pistons, right.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I was in the building too.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I was there for that, all right, and we all
know everybody knew when he got the ball, Oh god,
you know what I mean, like like, don't let big
shots Bob get it, And he got it, and big
shot Bob put it down and the Pistons lost that
game and then over yeah, ultimately the series. But my
point is was he a superstar, No, but he had
(08:00):
clutch ots. He helped his team win big time, Like
was he clutch? Absolutely doesn't mean you're a superstar, yep.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And I think I see he could be on his
way because I think he's at the apex of really
really good or a star and all the wrong way
to go. But he's not superstar. And I think an
example of a Jokic is at the low end of
a superstar, just got into that next level to me,
So they're like really only a layer between those two
(08:29):
in my mind, like ones at the lowest of a superstar,
ones at the top of an all star, and they're
near each other to me.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
The other thing about the Joker is he's done stuff.
The thing that's incredible is he last year alone, he
did three things nobody ever did in the NBA. Like
when you start to see stuff like that, that's where
you separate yourself from other people, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I think his passing gets him that because we're just
not used to seeing a big man be like everybody.
There have been other good passers. Bill Walton was a
heck of a passer. Chris weber Vladi divis.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Well when you have sixty and twenty.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, and then he had there's like three things he
did last year that nobody had done.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
In the NBA.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Did it?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Did he do like a forty years forty twenty twenty?
Day six got him twenty? He did?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
He's got a relaxed Yeah.
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Speaker 3 (09:26):
Here's where the story doesn't make any sense to me.
First of all, they dodged a big bullet by not
signing getting going after Matthew Stafford. His numbers were horrendous
last year for the Rams. Can you imagine this? He
threw twenty touchdowns in seventeen games. Twenty touchdowns in seventeen games.
(09:46):
He was really, really bad. They had a bad stretch
at one point where the Rams were averaging maybe thirteen
or fourteen points a game.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
It was pretty pretty ugly.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And u So they were lucky there that they're not
paying Matthew Stafford, thirty seven years old, with numbers that
had declined last year fifty million or whatever. The number
would have been fifty million, which is crazy. And here's
(10:18):
the other thing. The Aaron Rodgers, as we talked about,
had better stats. Aaron Rodgers threw for more yards three
eight hundred ninety seven to thirty seven sixty two, had
more touchdowns twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Then Stafford have twenty right? Twenty right? Was that the number? Yeah,
that's what I thought, right.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So that part they were lucky and they were smart
not to bite on the Stafford thing because you'd have
to give up players and pay the guy fifty million
after coming off twenty touchdowns in seventeen games. The other part,
justin Fields, that to me is a non story because
Justin Fields, there's two things. If they really wanted him
(11:05):
and he was the second option, they would not say
to him, you're gonna be the starting quarterback and you're
our guy.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
So you couldn't really want him.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
If that was the sticking point, If you really believe
you had something, you would have said to Justin Fields, absolutely,
whatever it is, we saw you when you were four
and two before we benched you because we didn't think
you were the best option and you're gonna be the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
They couldn't even do that.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
They couldn't even guarantee him the starting job. When you'll
come in to camp, you're the quarterback from Jump Street.
So of course that's why he ran to the Jets,
right He ran there because they don't have anybody, So
that part of the story doesn't make sense. If they
really wanted justin Fields, they worked with them all last year.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
They got to see him up close.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
If they really believe he's a quarterback in the future,
sign the guy, give.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Him the job.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
What are you looking for if you knew that this
was your So I think they dodged a bullet in
both cases. Aaron Rodgers is still better than Matthew Stafford.
Matthew Stafford has never been better than Aaron Rodgers at
any point of his career ever. Even the Super Bowl
he won, Stafford threw two interceptions and that should have
(12:18):
been three. Was that the NFC Championship game that he
threw the game losing interception that was dropped?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
What was that kid's.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Name was, to quashteve Tart or whatever?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Guess what Kelvin is? He still in the NFL. He
hadn't been in the NFL since that play. That ball
was right to him.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
You could throw that ball.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
One hundred times go look at it, Google it, go
to YouTube. You could look at that playoff up, throw
that ball one hundred times and guess how many times
he would catch that ball. Ninety nine and a half
times he would catch that ball, and instead he dropped
it and it saved Matthew Stafford's bacon, so to steal.
(13:01):
They were very fortunate in this, and sometimes, guess what,
the best things that happened to you aren't always planned,
and I think that's what happened here for the stealers.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Boy, I'm so glad I'm here to talk some sense
anity for these people.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Let me tell you why you were wrong, my friend.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
First and foremost, let's dive a little deeper into this
disrespect you're trying to put on Matthew Stafford because I
know you like to call him Matthew Stafford or whatever
you call him. Matthew Stafford had twenty touchdowns and eight interceptions,
so you're making it like he only had twenty touchdowns
and had like eighteen interceptions last year. Also, the Rams
decided to run the ball a lot, and he was
(13:41):
missing his top receivers for quite some time. We know
that Matthew Stafford has been exactly what the Rams have
needed twenty touchdowns eight interceptions. Last year, the Rams ran
the ball, and you know he was without his top
receivers on and off throughout the whole year. Let's continue
with some numbers, Rob Parker, since you want to talk for.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Your guy, Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
In his games for seven games for the Rams in
the playoffs, Matthew Stafford has a quarterback of passing rating
of one hundred and nine point two two thousand yards,
fifteen touchdowns and three interceptions in seven games. He has
been dominant for them throughout his time as their quarterback
in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
He's also, as you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Four years younger, and the forty two million dollars that
they would have had to pay him on average between
forty this coming year, forty four this year forty the.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Next puts them pretty much where he should be.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I mean, you look at all the quarterbacks who will
be making more money than him. You look at Dak Prescott,
Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence Tuloa, Jered Goff, Brock,
perty Justin Herbert Lamar Jackson, and then you get a
few other guys ahead of him. Forty two million dollars
for a good quarterback, A super Bowl winning quarterback. Approven
quarterback is par for the course. That's pretty much average
(14:56):
money now for a good quarterback. So if I get
the guy for two three years, who is younger, who
is healthier, who has had stronger arm that's not even
a question at this point, and who, like I mentioned,
I have a chance to build with proactively and longer.
Why am I bringing in a guy it just be
might be solid for a year and then I got
to move on?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
What's the point of that?
Speaker 4 (15:16):
To me?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
That's the genuine part I've never understood in this is
that if Aaron Rodgers is solid, let's give him twenty
two touchdowns, to give him eight interceptions, not bad, not good,
but okay, and we go nine and eight eight nine.
What was the point of that? Why not be building
towards something, some something sustainable. I genuinely don't understand that part.
Why am I so excited to have a guy for
(15:38):
one year who's forty one going on forty two now
like he's thirty six?
Speaker 5 (15:42):
I get that, So help me understand that easy.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
As Lebroncos who won a Super Bowl with Peyton Manning
as the Tampa Bay Bucks, who won a Super Bowl
with Tom bro I'm just the idea that you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
For one year, anybody would take a chance.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
One year everybody, anybody would take a chance. Okay, but
but my point is you need one. There's only one
team you could play for. But it doesn't what you're
saying time. But what you're saying makes no sense. Well,
he could still play, and if he's in a better situation.
(16:20):
You'll find out this year that again it was the Jets.
You weren't on the show, but Rob G will tell you.
I told him it was a mistake to go to
the Jets. Rob G did not say that that it
would end badly, because that's what's happened to everybody who
goes to the Jets. I told him before it even happened.
I watched this team my whole life. I didn't even
(16:43):
doubt it. I said it.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Here's my point.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
No, but my point is at Stafford, he threw the
game when he touched down right in the in the
Super Bowl, right, but he didn't win the Super Bowl MVP.
Why twenty six for forty three and I mean three
touchdowns and two interceptions. That's why he's an interception machine.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
That's why he didn't win the MVP.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
His very few quarterbacks, very few who don't throw a
game winning touchdown at the end, remember that game was
out at the wire, and then don't win the MVP
because he didn't play well enough to be an MVP
with two interceptions in the Super Bowl. That's my point.
And my other point is the Steelers never wanted justin Fields.
(17:34):
They could have easily committed to him. How in the
world could they not tell that kid, he's a young kid,
was supposedly upside. They could have easily said, the job
is yours, come in as number one, and that's it.
And the best part of this whole thing Aaron Rodgers
making thirteen and a half and Stafford forty two, and
then that means you could add all the pieces to
(17:56):
the team and you could build for the future. It's okay, Hey,
he Aaron judged. Aaron Rodgers could be a stop gap.
That happens all the time. Look at all the great
quarterbacks who finished their careers elsewhere. This is not new,
This is the NFL. This is what happens over and over.
And guess what. Stafford almost finished his career somewhere else.
(18:18):
Even after winning a Super Bowl, he was close. The
Rams told him to go ahead and take a look.
Look around. That's how much they wanted him go take it,
take a look and guess what. He didn't get as
much money as he could have gotten on the open market.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
The Giants off of him more.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Robie. Here's my thing.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Aaron Rodgers is not that great anymore, and so he's
not the guy to come and change your franchise. And
that's okay, And they're not built right now to have
that guy.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
The difference between you keep bringing up Peyton Manny.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Peyton Manning was coming off and in saying couple of
years putting up crazy stats that still he was still
the sheriff. Tom Brady was still coming off being Tommy.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
He won all but they won a Super Bowl with
a bad Peyton man My point, and my point is.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
The Steelers ain't the Broncos right now, and the Steelers
are not definitely not the Buccaneers when it comes to
talent on the outside and when it comes to the
team's defense. So what I'm saying is they went to
the most ideal situations. He's going to a team with
Russell Wilson, who was essentially him at this point, losing
six straight, who lost their best receiver, who lost their
(19:24):
running back, and their defensive players are getting older. So
this is not an optimal situation. He's going to. He's
not going to the Ravens. They Lamar Jackson decided to
retire early, and he's going to the Ravens. He's going
to the Bills, where you say, ooh, okay, now you
might be cooking.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
The Steelers aren't that right now?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
So to expect on a bad Achilles of an almost
forty two year old to all of a sudden be
great when he hasn't been great, That's what I'm saying.
What's gonna happen when Lamar Jackson is up fourteen to three,
Aaron Rodgers is not gonna bring you back. What's gonna
happen with Joe Burrow and that offense gets you up seventeen.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
To to seven, he comes giving Because we've seen it
happen before.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yes, you are.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
And last year Stafford during a three game stretch in
December when they needed to win to make the playoffs,
Stafford and the offense averaged fourteen points a game.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
In this NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
They were lucky to win all three of those games
because it was the defense that was able to win
it for him. And last year, Rogers' offense scored twenty
points or more right, ten times the same as Stafford.
The difference was that one had a defense that stepped
up and the other one their defense gave it up.
The Jets lost five games last year where they couldn't
(20:33):
where they couldn't stop to the other team's offense and
gave it up at the end of game.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
And a missfield goal.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So the still defense, who isn't as good? You just
said the Jets we all expected their defense. No, they
weren't good last year. They were not good.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
What I said, we expected them to begin, No, I
expect them to get a stop eventually.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
And then the Steelers defense we expected to be great.
It wasn't that great. So Aaron Rodgers is five and
twelve if the defense ain't that great. So that's pretty
much what we and it's baby goes seven and ten.
You said, I thought you said.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
You said five wins. That's the Steelers five.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
No, that's what they did last year. He did with
the Jets with a defense that wasn't that great. That's
what he's gonna do around seven seven and ten Max
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. Well, they played
the Jets week one, so there's one so they just
gotta win. Justin wields go thrash. Only okay, he just
fields go. Doesn't mean they should have let him go. Rob.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
You keep saying they had all a chance to look
the watch they.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Watched to make guy this is they watched him. He's all,
he's a young guy on his third team in three years.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
That's the guy.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
He's on his third team in three seats and touchdowns,
one interception, four and two.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Who gets rid of that guy? Make it?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Make plenty of plenty of people. Obviously two other teams did.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
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Speaker 5 (21:57):
Roger, I ain't need you to set the table.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Okay, I'm about to get to the sound about to
say on the podcast. He had a lot to say
when it comes to coaching and his sons in particular,
and how he lets them get coached.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Let's listen.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
I've never got involved with my kids coaches, you know
from Briannie growing up to where he is now and Bryce,
you know, on his way to Tucson, Arizona. I've never
got involved. I've never went to a practice and sat
through practice the whole time and see how my son
was being utilized. I've never got on the phone with
(22:30):
the coaches. Listen, he's there. Coach my son, coach from
however you want to. And I think you need to
hold him accountable. I hope you hold him more accountable
than any other kid.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Here. Once again, if you had anybody who was on
the other side of the microphone, as in Steve Nash,
who could push back and say anything like these podcasts
are useless. So he sits there, he lets Lebron say that,
and all he had to do was say, did you
pick up the phone and talk to Rob Polinka with
(23:01):
the with Bronnie drafting Bronnie or or was that just
the Lakers?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
You never talked to the.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Lakers about making sure that he was gonna play with
you because you were never involved. Come on, what is
that really? Well, does that make sense to you? He's
never involved, never said anything about any of his kids.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Is that the only thing, the only thing I can
make sense to this is if you're going now that
he's trying to become a professional, I'm going to throw
you the lob figuratively literally to getting into the NBA.
So I think, no, he says, no, that's not what
I mean. It can There is no greater definition of
getting involved in.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
That's what That's what I'm saying, James, like, you can't
at least address it?
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Can you at least address it? Can?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Steve Nast say, but what happened with Bronnie getting drafted
by the Lakers?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Did you make a call?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Did you go out with.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Rob Polinka to dinner and Genie Bonson say hey, I
want this to happen.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
How did that come about?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Were you involved in that?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Is done?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Anything wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
This is where Steve Nash listens and then he goes,
so what changed with Bronnie? Like, how did you do?
Did you get involved with that? Was this just an
opportunity so I couldn't let go?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Or what?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And he it was there, you know, explains whatever his
reasoning is for why that is. But yeah, it's a
completely Once you say that, it does make it. It's
a the stark difference of what happened with Bronnie. So
I would like to hear what changed, That's all. I
would like to hear why you got involved with this?
(24:38):
Why you didn't say I chose for him to go
on his own path in the NBA exactly. I'm gonna
have a problem with him doing it, you know that.
But it just explained your thought process. If this is
how you've conducted it the first seventeen eighteen years, that's
my point.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
You can't say that you never got involved or anything,
or you just let you know what I mean, because
you did.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
That's the only way. That's that's how he got there.
What changed with that? Hey, well, if you want to,
you can just.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Say, you know what, I didn't get involved because I
thought it would be pretty neat all, right, like you
know or whatever. And I did reach out and they
were receptive to it. They got out of respect to me,
whatever it is. But to just ignore like he wasn't involved,
Like that's what I'm talking about. Like the idea of
having a podcast and having questions and talking about stuff.
(25:27):
A podcast isn't just to just talk and not have
any dialogue. It's like I talk about the shop all
the time, right, Kelvin.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
You've been in barber shops, dude, you could mean you could.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I could walk in with this black Jordan pullover on
and somebody else say it's blue, it's navy blue, or
it's brown.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Get to U yelling at am?
Speaker 5 (25:46):
I right, man?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
You coming in here with that Jordan? Man, Jordan, they
don't even make no good stuff anymore? What you crazy?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Man?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
George?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Why like Adidas and now we got an hour discussion
or Adidas versus Jordan's.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
What everybody can't be like if you're peaching to the choir,
to Barbara, what you're gonna agree with everything?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Come on, blasphemis that is the polar opposite? Uh in
a barbershop.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
I've owned a.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Barbershop for twenty three years. Man, I going there and
it's World War three?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
You know that?
Speaker 5 (26:12):
On you?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
You can't even go in there and say your own man,
my name is Kelvin. No, it ain't mad cousin. My
cousin name spells name just like you. We call him Kevin.
I know what my name is, kel No, I'll tell
you her name. I'm just saying, bro, it's Kelvin.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Yeah. I think this is where again?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
To me?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
It was a great opportunity for him to express this.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't know that we fully have heard him talk
about this in a full, chilled, casual, I'm sipping on
wine way to say this is what I was thinking.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
This was my thought process. I knew Browny wanted to
do this.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Da da da da, because the only times we really
heard were the quick answers at like a press conference
during the beginning of this past Laker season.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
So this was an opportunity to tell hey, man, it
was different.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
It could have been.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I had to put my foot I said, look, man,
it's one an opportunity, lifetime chance to play with my son,
and no one's ever on it like this.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I had to change.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I had to do it, and Steve Nash to be like, wow,
what did you think of the criticism? Like there could
have been a cool, casual dialogue about this. And I
do think it was a missed opportunity for us to
get some more insight on that, especially saying I've been
hands off with my sons when it comes to hoops
right and everything else previously.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
That that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
And you know, you know what, Ron, your head is
gonna explode when we get Bryce in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I'll be retired by then.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
No, we're getting not this coming season.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
He's got to do his one away and Lebron won't
be in the league though. By then he's.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Gonna play with Bryce, maybe not on the same team,
but he will have Bryce and Brianny, and the Lakers won't.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
The Lakers aren't gonna go that route by that time
because Bryce is actually gonna be good and they're not
going Other teams are not going for that.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
If he's a talent, they're not. I'm telling that you
could do that.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
You could do that when when somebody's not high on
their list and you want to play that game, if
he's a talent and they think that he could help
them win, ain't no way they listening to that and said,
oh yeah, we're gonna let the Lakers get him, even
though it should.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Be drafted higher or we have a higher pick. I
don't buy it.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Rob g make sure bosses, Scott, make sure we get
the game. Go to that game when us the Lakers,
Bronni and Lebron versus in the league by Atlanta Hawks
and Bryce and Bryce, Bryce.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Brownie would still be in the league.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
He gonna hang out for the Union, the Faanly Reunion.
They're gonna let him go the Faanly Reunion.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
After that, anything's possible, but they gonna make make sure
it's a family reunion with the James Boys. Watch and Rob.
We gotta be there eating popcorner person so I can
watch you. It's gonna be hilarious.
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