June 13, 2025 • 24 mins
Former NBA veteran Ryan Hollins is in for Kelvin, and he and Rob debate whether this Indiana Pacers postseason run is trending to be the greatest championship run in NBA history, argue whether Giannis Antetokounmpo should be applauded for wanting to stay in Milwaukee even though the Bucks are no longer championship contenders, and tell us why the WNBA television ratings have plummeted while Caitlin Clark was out injured.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
This is really the big thing.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
If the Pacers are able to win, and Rob g,
I'm gonna need some of your math numbers on some
of this stuff. But if they are to win, and
obviously they still need two more wins, and I'm not
counting my chickens before they hatch, because don't you remember
when the Phoenix Suns were up too to oh and
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Devin Bookers, Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul's now the top
in the top two or three point guards of all time.
And you know that never happened, right, They lost four
straight and that never happened. We haven't heard any of
that since. But my point is what a run it
has been. In fact, if the Pacers win without hesitation,
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without question, they would have won and be the greatest
championship run in NBA history and it ain't even close.
And rob g you got numbers.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, so it started off last week.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
After Game one is when you kind of dipped your
toe into this take and then you can pull it back.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So after Game.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
One that when that furious comeback and they went on
a Tyre's Albert and buzzer beater. That was the fourth
time that they had a win like that, right, you
know Round one against the Bucks, you know Round two
against the Cavs, the Knicks, and then in these finals.
There was a stat that we had on that night
that said the odds of the Pacers winning all four
of those games were one in seventy five million, according
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to Mathema Ditis for context.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Did you hit you think a million?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
By lightning twice? Twice is one in nine million? Okay,
that's number one and number two. This one just came
out overnight before ahead of Game four. If they end
up winning these finals, the Indiana Pacers will have tied
the twenty eleven MAVs and the nineteen ninety five Rockets
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for the most all NBA players they've beaten on their
road to the championship. They will have seven all NBA
players think about that fifteen players, they would have gone.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Through seven and they were underdog in every series.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Right, they played the Bucks, they knocked off the Calves,
and they knocked off the Knicks, and they also the
comebacks which we talked about, and they would be nobody
was injured too, Like that was a big thing. Like
you know, Ryan, and years gone by, guys have won
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championships and you said, yeah, the Warriors beat the Cavs,
but Kevin Love and Kyrie Ivan were heard. You remember
that like that when they won their first championship, Like
it counts.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Kevin Durant's injury with Golden State.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Where you have people injuring and you could take a
look and go, oh, if he was there, would have
mattered or whatever, it could have been different. But in
this case, I'm looking at this run. How could this
not be the greatest run? Especially your leader, the guy
who's leading this whole thing is a guy voted by
other players as the most overrated player in the league.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
All these things add up to the greatest ryn. Where
are you?
Speaker 7 (03:36):
I think there's a level where it definitely has greatness,
There's no question. And it's funny. Rob g talks about
those stats. That's excellent work, by the way, Rob. And
the thing that stands out to me is like, you know,
the end game percentage of winning, like we talked about
like halla Burton shot or you're down you know, ten
or fifteen points with a certain amount of time left,
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Like it's just improbable to happened.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
But I think it's up there with the greatest.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
I think the questions may come in and let me
play on the other side, Rob, you could challenge and say, well,
Oklahoma City didn't have experience.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
They beat a team that was in experience.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
The last time Oklahoma City went to the finals, they
got rammed by Miami the championship with the round before,
they were inexperience.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
But you could say the.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
Road there, Okay, you saw New York. You know, you
saw Cleveland who was also inexperience. They weren't certified yet.
So you had teams that were great in the regular
season but didn't have the postseason name. And I think
that might be the challenge on the other side. But
as far as the team that you didn't see coming, Rob,
and tell me if I'm wrong here, because here's the reality,
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here's let's let's just be fair with all the overrated stuff. Okay,
there are moments in the in the beginning of the
year where Indiana couldn't guard the rim to save their lives.
They gave up everything and the paint. They weren't tough.
Halla Burton was abysmo to start the season. Just the
energy wasn't there. Indiana didn't look like Indiana.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
I didn't throw them aside, Rob.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It did and with and rightfully.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So they went to the Houston Conference Finals last year
and they got off to such an abysmal start.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
People did not Kelvin and I have owned up to it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
We didn't talk about the Pacers, not one time all
basketball seasons.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
We didn't. We didn't talk.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
About I think the biggest thing was for me, you
had three point guards that you can throw on the floor.
You had a team that had experienced when they went
there before, and you know, covering Houston this season the
one thing I got to see probably the last two years,
like just some comebacks, Like like our group was up
fifteen to twenty points and got walked down, and like,
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if there's such a unique team, Rob, you can't say
it's an accident. At this point, you can't say it's luck,
it's their identity. Like when they start to hit threes
and they start moving the ball, they become pretty much unguardable.
And you know, Rob, I don't know how you feel
about this. Were you in Detroit at the time. Were
you working in Detroit when the Pistons went on their
run and they beat the Lakers?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
I think, just right, it was.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
A group of every game now, but it was a
group of.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Good players, right.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
You didn't see no one believed that Detroit was You
like what Detroit was doing, but you didn't believe they
were as good as they were.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
And obviously a different situation.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
But you have a group of really good players that
play together and the NBA has not been one like that.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
You can argue, since.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
You're Detroit two thousand and four, perce thet what they did, right, No,
that's definitely the case.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But here is them going through the seven top NBA
players like that. The road is not like they guy
like we said, guys are heard or there was some
other team that mirrored them and they didn't have any
really star players. That is an unbelievable amount of players
that you had to go through and circumstances they were
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on the road for.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That Nick game.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
They came back from fourteen down with two thirty eight.
You played ten years in the NBA. You ever see
somebody come back fourteen points with two thirty to go Impossible?
Speaker 7 (07:05):
Some teams, just like I said, it's their identity, it's
it's a weird belief. And I've been in locker rooms
with teams that were clutching, teams that just weren't clutch
at all, and there's a there's a Oh, we're gonna
get this. Oh hey, once he misses the shot, this happens,
This happens, this happens. And Rob The one thing that
I know from playing in the NBA for ten years
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and watching it is that this is tell me if
I'm wrong right, this is the other team's offense. You
get a high mid pick and roll and then your
best player goes one on one. And every team in
the NBA does it down to stretch. And what makes
Indiana so unique is they still move the ball from
side to side. They'll play one on one with ever
the mismatch. They're hitting back doors in the clutch, they're
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hitting the skip for the three. Like their execution gets
higher and higher, and I even liken them to a
team that was really great in that sense. It was
it was when san Antonio rob was going on their runs.
San Antonio would execute, they were, you know, man new
Genobili would come off the bench and he might take
the last. Yet it could be Tim Dunckan like they
remind me with their ball movement and trust of the Spurs,
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and to me, that's what stands out. And you just
you hadn't seen it. It's been such a player dominated
league that we didn't believe you could win with that style.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
But Rick Carlile saw something.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And Rick Carlile a tremendous coach and looking to win
a second championship with a second team, that's pretty amazing.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Doesn't happen often.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
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Speaker 1 (08:39):
So Jannis, you know, all the talk was maybe his
time in Milwaukee, especially what happened, you know, with them
losing to the Pacers and whatnot. And they had a
real bad choke game in their series against the Pacers.
So everybody was ready to send Jannis somewhere else. Maybe
this is it. He's been there too long. It's time
to move on and go somewhere and have a chance
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to win. And that was all the talk, and people
were waiting for Jannis apparently to ask for a trade,
and now he's in ESPN rob Gia to report it
today that they don't expect a trade request is coming
from Giannis. So there's a good chance that he might
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stay in Milwaukee. And I'm gonna say this, if he does,
I applaud Giannis. I think he's a different cat. He's
not because you don't have to. Giannie is a made man.
He don't have to bounce around, hop around. He's already
won a championship and he did it in Milwaukee without
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another superstar, which was impressive on it by his own right.
He's already won two MVPs. He's done all these great things.
And if you go forward, if he wins one more,
it'd be great. If he doesn't, he's a made man. Yeah,
and he continues to put up great numbers.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
He doesn't have.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Rob This is crazy.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
That's even more the reason for him to have to
go or leave, because Milwaukee is gonna say thank you.
You gave us a championship. You stuck it out, and
you did your job at the end of the day.
If Damian Lillard wasn't injured, this would be a different conversation.
But for Giannis onto the coupo, if he wants to
say competitive, if he wants to be in the mix
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of an NBA championship, he's.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Gonna have to go. Rob.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
Now, with all that said and done, here's the truth.
And I've been saying this from day one. I don't
expect them to leave. The fact that he's been speaking
out and talking makes me feel like he wants to
stay at home. And for guys, when God, when when
people go quiet, Rob, When your girl goes quiet on you,
you in trouble. But when she's talking, she just wants
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to be heard. And here's the thing, don't be surprised.
You see the nasis okay, on that trainer, training camp
roster Okay, you see one of the little brothers on
the say, you know he's gonna be But Giannis is
such a loyal guy, I can't really see it.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And then another, that's what I admire about him in
sports me too. There are guys I think when I
look at players who get to play their whole career
on one team.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I think that's awesome of you, really that you don't
have to win.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You don't have to win three championships to justify anything.
Like everybody wants to day in the sun, which he
did get. He won a championship and a lot of
people respect it because he didn't go team up. Everybody
wanted him to go to Miami. You remember after they
got knocked out by Miami the next that off season,
everybody like Yianna should.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Go to Miami and this and that, and he was
like no, and.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
He stayed And I remember people criticizing him, Oh, he's dumb,
Why would you stay there? Oh Milwaukee, who wants to
play there? And he won a championship. He didn't want
to work out with the other players. He doesn't want
to be buddy buddies with Lebron and go to his
barbershop and get a shape up and drink wine.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
He didn't want to put any part of that.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
When he looks around rob and he sees that his
team doesn't have enough, he's gonna regret the decision.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
And you're saying, what's loyalty. There's no loyalty.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
In sports, you go and you try to win as
much as you can while you have the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But why did they got them players? You saying that
didn't to go? Did you just brought it and hurt?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Wait a minute, they wouldn't players hurt? Right, he wouldn't
got Damian Lillard for him?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Why?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
But what did Milwaukee not do for him? He wanted help?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And guess what they did. They went out got Damian Lillard.
And you noticed Ryan Hollins when they got Damian Lillard
every like, Oh my god, perfect matches. Those guys go
together like peanut butter and jelly. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I can't rosis he got injured.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
You can't say it wasn't peanut butter and jelly. He
got injured. They didn't have enough time. But there was
a piece of letters on that set. At the end
of the day, you know what teams do the players
They move on. So for Gianni's is time to move on.
I think he will know he's too loyal. He doesn't
know any different. They're gonna bring him in to office.
They're gonna have the NASA sitting in there. It's gonna
be a nice car for the NASA's they're gonna they're
gonna smooth things over.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Okay, we know.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
That, but in all seriousness, he should move. He's a
guy who wants to be competitive for a championship.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
But here's the tough part. Here's a tough part.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Rod.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I'm listening.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
What do you get back in return when you move them?
You you tell me Milwaukee doesn't want everything you You
tell me Milwaukee would settle from yet for less. And
that's the problem. Rudy Gobert got four first round picks
for him. Okay, and now the teams you're looking at it,
you're five, here you go. So so the teams you're
looking at, what would New York have? They're just throwing
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everything they can. They don't have much. Utah has a
bunch of picks. Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I don't want picks over a proven star that's had
an unbelievable run in Milwaukee that brought you delivered the championship.
If he can finish his whole career there and you
do whatever the best you can, uh, you could go
wherever you want. There's no guarantee. Okay, everybody thought Luca
and Lebron, they had them going to the NBA Finals.
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Were you in that group?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Every all these.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Am I wrong? No, all these experts had them going
to the NBA Finals. I'm not afraid of anybody in
the West.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Rob g.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
How many times do we hear that there's nobody standing
in the way of the Lakers?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Uh and uh, Luca and Lebron?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Who what two players are better than those two they
got knocked out?
Speaker 7 (14:31):
No, you no, You're You're right, and and and again.
I think it would be in Milwaukee's best favor to
do it now. Wherever Giannis goes, I don't think that
will be a shoe in. And even Kevin Durant had
mentioned this when he was in Phoenix and around the
trade deadline.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
He said, I don't want.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
To go to a team and then the trade ends
up gutting the team that I come to.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
But that's gonna happen, or you'll be in an all
in situation where you have a one or two year window.
But for Giannis, he's got to take that chance because
Little hurt that they've already exhausted all options in the
best way for them to get something back is to
move Giannis out to the coup or. For Giannis to
have a chance to win, the best thing he's gonna
have to do is go to another team.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, but if you're Milwaukee, you're not gonna get anybody
that's gonna give you a chance at winning.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Why would I If I'm Milwaukee, Milwaukee.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
You don't need to win. It's about the future.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Tell Oklahoma City and Sam Presty when they made the
move to get SGA and a bunch of first round picks,
you just let Paul George, an MVP candidate, walk for nothing.
Nah man, They got the MVP, so there's a lot
of value Rob and young players. So yes, Milwaukee would
come out on top. But the challenge for Giannis is like, well, okay,
you get your future, but give me some type of
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a present, which is let me win now within these
one or two years.
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Speaker 1 (16:00):
Rob Jella to first tell the numbers that I was
trying to tell everybody about this before it happened, and
everybody just thought I was Rob the meanie, the mean
guy trying to be mean about the ws.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
You are, Rob you prided yourself on that.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
No, I just was trying to tell people what was
going to be on your headstone. Again, what's the statement?
If I'm writing I'm ripped toy? That sounds naative.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Negative.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Ay, right, here are the numbers you were asking for.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Guys, though, USA Today did a deep dive and they
released a report late on Thursday night indicating that since
Caitlin Clark went down with that quad injury on May
twenty fourth, the WNBA's national TV ratings have fallen get this,
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fifty five percent over the last three weeks.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
It's a tough scene.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I think ryans w fans are you Are you shocked
by that or not? Because here we go. Here's the
official w NBA TV ratings tracker.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Ryan, this was a layout. I mean what people don't
want to admit.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And I'm not here to knock women's basketball and the
w NBA, but the popularity and what's happened to it
of late has mostly to do with Caitlin Clark. It
just does. She's the Harlem Globe Trotters. Even the game
against the Rob g when the fever. Remember you you
gave us those numbers. They almost had two million. It
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was because her team was playing and people didn't know
she was hurt. Yet as soon as they realized she's
not playing, Ryan, the numbers for national games have dropped.
I'm not surprised, and it just I hold you not
as much as that the WNBA is terrible, but.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
About her appeal.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
She played differently, Ryan, you know, basketball taking the logo,
threes and the stuff she was doing that attracted a
lot of people to the WNBA because of what she
was doing and her style of play.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Make no mistake. And here's the number here. They lost
one point eight one million viewers. That's ridiculous. But here's
the thing. Same for the NBA. It's a star driven league.
Right now, we're seeing one of the lowest rated NBA
finals in probably decades.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Right there's no stars start.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Of recording it other than the pandemic.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
And these guys are gonna be stars. But if it
was Lebron Curry, possibly even Anthony Edwards, would be a
much larger draw in the NBA finals. So as far
as ratings are concerned, you know, like the people like
me and you, Rob, we're gonna watch the game. The
basketball peers are going to watch the game now the
alert pass. The casuals aren't watching unless it's Lebron on
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it's it's Curry. It's one of those household names you know,
and and you don't have that. But it's a changing
of the guard. And the same with the w NBA.
That's just respect to all sports. A lot of people
don't watch unless it's names.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Now, uh, names are big, and especially the w n
B A Caitlin Clark is that she's a magnet and
her numbers are incredible. Not surprised, but she is coming back.
In the announcement that she's coming.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Back Rob, she is supposed to play this weekend, just
in time because it is a nationally televised game against
New York on ABC.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
I believe and I and I hope that Rob Robin Rob.
I hope that the respect is put more so on
her name just that's hey, they are there to watch her.
Not to say that the w NBA hasn't built an
amazing brand, but the same way the NBA. One watch
It was on tape delay Michael Michael Jordan and in
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Magic Johnson.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
And Larry Bird and Larry Bird.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
They made the NBA man and and more so let's
just put it on Michael's back. Well, Michael Jordan did
made the NBA what it is and it wouldn't be
that without it. And then Kobe carried it from Michael
and Lebron carried it for him. And you're you're you're
looking for another name and I can't stand in the
NBA universe where they go, we don't need another face
of the league. Yes you do, Yes, you do, Yes,
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you do.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That idea When I hear that, I don't know what
people it's the marketing part of it. People are attracted
to that, you know, to stars, not we don't want
milk toes or nobody's better than anybody else and everybody's
the same. That's not what fans you're drawn to. And
the word fan is what fanatics, right, it's based off
of that, derived from the word fanatics and that and
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that is because you really care and you want to
see the best of the best and you want to
see the big stars.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
That's just a part of sports.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
But she she is incredible, to be honest, and that's
why I call it a Hall and Globe trotters when
they come, when she comes to town or she's on
people of flipping and turn the channels to see her.
Now have you been have you seen her in person
or not?
Speaker 7 (21:03):
I haven't seen her in person. I've watched a couple
of the games, but I haven't seen her in person.
And here's the thing I wanted to say this too.
We're watching some of the best basketball rob that we've
seen in the NBA Finals in the years, I mean
in the years. This is a great series. It's been
a great playoffs thus far, and nobody's watching because the
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casuals don't want to see this. They don't you know.
So again, with all the respect to the games, there's
a business of basketball that goes on behind the scenes,
and it's a player driven league, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
And market size matters, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
People, I know Silver was trying to downplay it and
talk about that it doesn't matter the size of the market.
But that's just not true. And you know this because
you played in the league for a long time. As
good as the Spurs were and Tim Duncan, they always
had the lowest rated finals because they were in a
small market in Sanini.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Just that I'm gonna argue at that point, Lebron was
in Cleveland and you watched there's certain players that bring
them out.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Now, no, no, no, no, But I'm saying in a small market, yes,
it's harder significant the New Jersey nets you say, oh, well,
they're right outside New York. You know that they they
didn't get the numbers either. People didn't watch win the
New Jersey that they made it to the finals.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Two years in a row.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Yeah, yeah, you're you're right about that. So it's city matters,
and even bigger than the city, players matter, and and
Lebron and Cleveland was a staple of that, you know,
and his respect is is definitely going to be shown.
To me, that's the biggest part of Lebron's legacy. Ain't
that winning in Miami. It's it's it's that going back
to Cleveland and winning was the one.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, that was the big one.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I agree that that kind of because even in Miami,
if you really want to be honest, it was he
was the one saying not two, not three, not four,
about all the championships they're going to win, and they
won two out of four. That lost to Dallas was
the one that people were like, really, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
It sticks with them and shout out to Carlisle. But absolutely,
just to your point with Caitlyn Clark, it's a player
run league and hopefully there's the next star that that
comes around. And they've been there have been unbelievable players
Man Candice Parker, Lisa Leslie and all those, all those
ladies and legends, superb Like they built a building blocks
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Steena Thompson, shout out to Tina, see her all the time.
Cheryl swoops like you can go on down the build
the building blocks put on.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
A different level right with them, with the eyeballs.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
And you know, the irony enough and them, I'm just
gonna call it for what it is. Caitlyn wouldn't be
Kaitlyn without Angel Reese sparking the controversy and her it's
they're the perfect mix of controversy along with game. You
know what I'm saying. You can argue that when Angel's
game gets where it needs to go, you know she
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can be more of that draw. Right now, you know
you're not coming out to watch rebounds, but she's she's
great behind the mic. She has an excellent personality. But
make no mistake, she pulled what Caitlyn was and made
people start looking at what Caitlyn Clark does on the floor,
not that she didn't have the game, but you know,
it became a national, national shoot, a world story.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Rob
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
This is really the big thing.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
If the Pacers are able to win, and Rob g,
I'm gonna need some of your math numbers on some
of this stuff. But if they are to win, and
obviously they still need two more wins, and I'm not
counting my chickens before they hatch, because don't you remember
when the Phoenix Suns were up too to oh and
(00:51):
Devin Bookers, Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul's now the top
in the top two or three point guards of all time.
And you know that never happened, right, They lost four
straight and that never happened. We haven't heard any of
that since. But my point is what a run it
has been. In fact, if the Pacers win without hesitation,
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without question, they would have won and be the greatest
championship run in NBA history and it ain't even close.
And rob g you got numbers.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, so it started off last week.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
After Game one is when you kind of dipped your
toe into this take and then you can pull it back.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So after Game.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
One that when that furious comeback and they went on
a Tyre's Albert and buzzer beater. That was the fourth
time that they had a win like that, right, you
know Round one against the Bucks, you know Round two
against the Cavs, the Knicks, and then in these finals.
There was a stat that we had on that night
that said the odds of the Pacers winning all four
of those games were one in seventy five million, according
(01:56):
to Mathema Ditis for context.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Did you hit you think a million?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
By lightning twice? Twice is one in nine million? Okay,
that's number one and number two. This one just came
out overnight before ahead of Game four. If they end
up winning these finals, the Indiana Pacers will have tied
the twenty eleven MAVs and the nineteen ninety five Rockets
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for the most all NBA players they've beaten on their
road to the championship. They will have seven all NBA
players think about that fifteen players, they would have gone.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Through seven and they were underdog in every series.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Right, they played the Bucks, they knocked off the Calves,
and they knocked off the Knicks, and they also the
comebacks which we talked about, and they would be nobody
was injured too, Like that was a big thing. Like
you know, Ryan, and years gone by, guys have won
(02:56):
championships and you said, yeah, the Warriors beat the Cavs,
but Kevin Love and Kyrie Ivan were heard. You remember
that like that when they won their first championship, Like
it counts.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Kevin Durant's injury with Golden State.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Where you have people injuring and you could take a
look and go, oh, if he was there, would have
mattered or whatever, it could have been different. But in
this case, I'm looking at this run. How could this
not be the greatest run? Especially your leader, the guy
who's leading this whole thing is a guy voted by
other players as the most overrated player in the league.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
All these things add up to the greatest ryn. Where
are you?
Speaker 7 (03:36):
I think there's a level where it definitely has greatness,
There's no question. And it's funny. Rob g talks about
those stats. That's excellent work, by the way, Rob. And
the thing that stands out to me is like, you know,
the end game percentage of winning, like we talked about
like halla Burton shot or you're down you know, ten
or fifteen points with a certain amount of time left,
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Like it's just improbable to happened.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
But I think it's up there with the greatest.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
I think the questions may come in and let me
play on the other side, Rob, you could challenge and say, well,
Oklahoma City didn't have experience.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
They beat a team that was in experience.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
The last time Oklahoma City went to the finals, they
got rammed by Miami the championship with the round before,
they were inexperience.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
But you could say the.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
Road there, Okay, you saw New York. You know, you
saw Cleveland who was also inexperience. They weren't certified yet.
So you had teams that were great in the regular
season but didn't have the postseason name. And I think
that might be the challenge on the other side. But
as far as the team that you didn't see coming, Rob,
and tell me if I'm wrong here, because here's the reality,
(04:39):
here's let's let's just be fair with all the overrated stuff. Okay,
there are moments in the in the beginning of the
year where Indiana couldn't guard the rim to save their lives.
They gave up everything and the paint. They weren't tough.
Halla Burton was abysmo to start the season. Just the
energy wasn't there. Indiana didn't look like Indiana.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
I didn't throw them aside, Rob.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It did and with and rightfully.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So they went to the Houston Conference Finals last year
and they got off to such an abysmal start.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
People did not Kelvin and I have owned up to it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
We didn't talk about the Pacers, not one time all
basketball seasons.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
We didn't. We didn't talk.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
About I think the biggest thing was for me, you
had three point guards that you can throw on the floor.
You had a team that had experienced when they went
there before, and you know, covering Houston this season the
one thing I got to see probably the last two years,
like just some comebacks, Like like our group was up
fifteen to twenty points and got walked down, and like,
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if there's such a unique team, Rob, you can't say
it's an accident. At this point, you can't say it's luck,
it's their identity. Like when they start to hit threes
and they start moving the ball, they become pretty much unguardable.
And you know, Rob, I don't know how you feel
about this. Were you in Detroit at the time. Were
you working in Detroit when the Pistons went on their
run and they beat the Lakers?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
I think, just right, it was.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
A group of every game now, but it was a
group of.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Good players, right.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
You didn't see no one believed that Detroit was You
like what Detroit was doing, but you didn't believe they
were as good as they were.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
And obviously a different situation.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
But you have a group of really good players that
play together and the NBA has not been one like that.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
You can argue, since.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
You're Detroit two thousand and four, perce thet what they did, right, No,
that's definitely the case.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But here is them going through the seven top NBA
players like that. The road is not like they guy
like we said, guys are heard or there was some
other team that mirrored them and they didn't have any
really star players. That is an unbelievable amount of players
that you had to go through and circumstances they were
(06:53):
on the road for.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That Nick game.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
They came back from fourteen down with two thirty eight.
You played ten years in the NBA. You ever see
somebody come back fourteen points with two thirty to go Impossible?
Speaker 7 (07:05):
Some teams, just like I said, it's their identity, it's
it's a weird belief. And I've been in locker rooms
with teams that were clutching, teams that just weren't clutch
at all, and there's a there's a Oh, we're gonna
get this. Oh hey, once he misses the shot, this happens,
This happens, this happens. And Rob The one thing that
I know from playing in the NBA for ten years
(07:25):
and watching it is that this is tell me if
I'm wrong right, this is the other team's offense. You
get a high mid pick and roll and then your
best player goes one on one. And every team in
the NBA does it down to stretch. And what makes
Indiana so unique is they still move the ball from
side to side. They'll play one on one with ever
the mismatch. They're hitting back doors in the clutch, they're
(07:45):
hitting the skip for the three. Like their execution gets
higher and higher, and I even liken them to a
team that was really great in that sense. It was
it was when san Antonio rob was going on their runs.
San Antonio would execute, they were, you know, man new
Genobili would come off the bench and he might take
the last. Yet it could be Tim Dunckan like they
remind me with their ball movement and trust of the Spurs,
(08:08):
and to me, that's what stands out. And you just
you hadn't seen it. It's been such a player dominated
league that we didn't believe you could win with that style.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
But Rick Carlile saw something.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And Rick Carlile a tremendous coach and looking to win
a second championship with a second team, that's pretty amazing.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Doesn't happen often.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
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Speaker 1 (08:39):
So Jannis, you know, all the talk was maybe his
time in Milwaukee, especially what happened, you know, with them
losing to the Pacers and whatnot. And they had a
real bad choke game in their series against the Pacers.
So everybody was ready to send Jannis somewhere else. Maybe
this is it. He's been there too long. It's time
to move on and go somewhere and have a chance
(09:02):
to win. And that was all the talk, and people
were waiting for Jannis apparently to ask for a trade,
and now he's in ESPN rob Gia to report it
today that they don't expect a trade request is coming
from Giannis. So there's a good chance that he might
(09:23):
stay in Milwaukee. And I'm gonna say this, if he does,
I applaud Giannis. I think he's a different cat. He's
not because you don't have to. Giannie is a made man.
He don't have to bounce around, hop around. He's already
won a championship and he did it in Milwaukee without
(09:44):
another superstar, which was impressive on it by his own right.
He's already won two MVPs. He's done all these great things.
And if you go forward, if he wins one more,
it'd be great. If he doesn't, he's a made man. Yeah,
and he continues to put up great numbers.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
He doesn't have.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Rob This is crazy.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
That's even more the reason for him to have to
go or leave, because Milwaukee is gonna say thank you.
You gave us a championship. You stuck it out, and
you did your job at the end of the day.
If Damian Lillard wasn't injured, this would be a different conversation.
But for Giannis onto the coupo, if he wants to
say competitive, if he wants to be in the mix
(10:27):
of an NBA championship, he's.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Gonna have to go. Rob.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
Now, with all that said and done, here's the truth.
And I've been saying this from day one. I don't
expect them to leave. The fact that he's been speaking
out and talking makes me feel like he wants to
stay at home. And for guys, when God, when when
people go quiet, Rob, When your girl goes quiet on you,
you in trouble. But when she's talking, she just wants
(10:51):
to be heard. And here's the thing, don't be surprised.
You see the nasis okay, on that trainer, training camp
roster Okay, you see one of the little brothers on
the say, you know he's gonna be But Giannis is
such a loyal guy, I can't really see it.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And then another, that's what I admire about him in
sports me too. There are guys I think when I
look at players who get to play their whole career
on one team.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I think that's awesome of you, really that you don't
have to win.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You don't have to win three championships to justify anything.
Like everybody wants to day in the sun, which he
did get. He won a championship and a lot of
people respect it because he didn't go team up. Everybody
wanted him to go to Miami. You remember after they
got knocked out by Miami the next that off season,
everybody like Yianna should.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Go to Miami and this and that, and he was
like no, and.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
He stayed And I remember people criticizing him, Oh, he's dumb,
Why would you stay there? Oh Milwaukee, who wants to
play there? And he won a championship. He didn't want
to work out with the other players. He doesn't want
to be buddy buddies with Lebron and go to his
barbershop and get a shape up and drink wine.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
He didn't want to put any part of that.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
When he looks around rob and he sees that his
team doesn't have enough, he's gonna regret the decision.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
And you're saying, what's loyalty. There's no loyalty.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
In sports, you go and you try to win as
much as you can while you have the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But why did they got them players? You saying that
didn't to go? Did you just brought it and hurt?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Wait a minute, they wouldn't players hurt? Right, he wouldn't
got Damian Lillard for him?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Why?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
But what did Milwaukee not do for him? He wanted help?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And guess what they did. They went out got Damian Lillard.
And you noticed Ryan Hollins when they got Damian Lillard
every like, Oh my god, perfect matches. Those guys go
together like peanut butter and jelly. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I can't rosis he got injured.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
You can't say it wasn't peanut butter and jelly. He
got injured. They didn't have enough time. But there was
a piece of letters on that set. At the end
of the day, you know what teams do the players
They move on. So for Gianni's is time to move on.
I think he will know he's too loyal. He doesn't
know any different. They're gonna bring him in to office.
They're gonna have the NASA sitting in there. It's gonna
be a nice car for the NASA's they're gonna they're
gonna smooth things over.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Okay, we know.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
That, but in all seriousness, he should move. He's a
guy who wants to be competitive for a championship.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
But here's the tough part. Here's a tough part.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Rod.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I'm listening.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
What do you get back in return when you move them?
You you tell me Milwaukee doesn't want everything you You
tell me Milwaukee would settle from yet for less. And
that's the problem. Rudy Gobert got four first round picks
for him. Okay, and now the teams you're looking at it,
you're five, here you go. So so the teams you're
looking at, what would New York have? They're just throwing
(13:37):
everything they can. They don't have much. Utah has a
bunch of picks. Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I don't want picks over a proven star that's had
an unbelievable run in Milwaukee that brought you delivered the championship.
If he can finish his whole career there and you
do whatever the best you can, uh, you could go
wherever you want. There's no guarantee. Okay, everybody thought Luca
and Lebron, they had them going to the NBA Finals.
(14:06):
Were you in that group?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Every all these.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Am I wrong? No, all these experts had them going
to the NBA Finals. I'm not afraid of anybody in
the West.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Rob g.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
How many times do we hear that there's nobody standing
in the way of the Lakers?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Uh and uh, Luca and Lebron?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Who what two players are better than those two they
got knocked out?
Speaker 7 (14:31):
No, you no, You're You're right, and and and again.
I think it would be in Milwaukee's best favor to
do it now. Wherever Giannis goes, I don't think that
will be a shoe in. And even Kevin Durant had
mentioned this when he was in Phoenix and around the
trade deadline.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
He said, I don't want.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
To go to a team and then the trade ends
up gutting the team that I come to.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
But that's gonna happen, or you'll be in an all
in situation where you have a one or two year window.
But for Giannis, he's got to take that chance because
Little hurt that they've already exhausted all options in the
best way for them to get something back is to
move Giannis out to the coup or. For Giannis to
have a chance to win, the best thing he's gonna
have to do is go to another team.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, but if you're Milwaukee, you're not gonna get anybody
that's gonna give you a chance at winning.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Why would I If I'm Milwaukee, Milwaukee.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
You don't need to win. It's about the future.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Tell Oklahoma City and Sam Presty when they made the
move to get SGA and a bunch of first round picks,
you just let Paul George, an MVP candidate, walk for nothing.
Nah man, They got the MVP, so there's a lot
of value Rob and young players. So yes, Milwaukee would
come out on top. But the challenge for Giannis is like, well, okay,
you get your future, but give me some type of
(15:44):
a present, which is let me win now within these
one or two years.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
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Speaker 1 (16:00):
Rob Jella to first tell the numbers that I was
trying to tell everybody about this before it happened, and
everybody just thought I was Rob the meanie, the mean
guy trying to be mean about the ws.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
You are, Rob you prided yourself on that.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
No, I just was trying to tell people what was
going to be on your headstone. Again, what's the statement?
If I'm writing I'm ripped toy? That sounds naative.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Negative.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Ay, right, here are the numbers you were asking for.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Guys, though, USA Today did a deep dive and they
released a report late on Thursday night indicating that since
Caitlin Clark went down with that quad injury on May
twenty fourth, the WNBA's national TV ratings have fallen get this,
(16:49):
fifty five percent over the last three weeks.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
It's a tough scene.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I think ryans w fans are you Are you shocked
by that or not? Because here we go. Here's the
official w NBA TV ratings tracker.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Ryan, this was a layout. I mean what people don't
want to admit.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And I'm not here to knock women's basketball and the
w NBA, but the popularity and what's happened to it
of late has mostly to do with Caitlin Clark. It
just does. She's the Harlem Globe Trotters. Even the game
against the Rob g when the fever. Remember you you
gave us those numbers. They almost had two million. It
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was because her team was playing and people didn't know
she was hurt. Yet as soon as they realized she's
not playing, Ryan, the numbers for national games have dropped.
I'm not surprised, and it just I hold you not
as much as that the WNBA is terrible, but.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
About her appeal.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
She played differently, Ryan, you know, basketball taking the logo,
threes and the stuff she was doing that attracted a
lot of people to the WNBA because of what she
was doing and her style of play.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Make no mistake. And here's the number here. They lost
one point eight one million viewers. That's ridiculous. But here's
the thing. Same for the NBA. It's a star driven league.
Right now, we're seeing one of the lowest rated NBA
finals in probably decades.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Right there's no stars start.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Of recording it other than the pandemic.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
And these guys are gonna be stars. But if it
was Lebron Curry, possibly even Anthony Edwards, would be a
much larger draw in the NBA finals. So as far
as ratings are concerned, you know, like the people like
me and you, Rob, we're gonna watch the game. The
basketball peers are going to watch the game now the
alert pass. The casuals aren't watching unless it's Lebron on
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it's it's Curry. It's one of those household names you know,
and and you don't have that. But it's a changing
of the guard. And the same with the w NBA.
That's just respect to all sports. A lot of people
don't watch unless it's names.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Now, uh, names are big, and especially the w n
B A Caitlin Clark is that she's a magnet and
her numbers are incredible. Not surprised, but she is coming back.
In the announcement that she's coming.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Back Rob, she is supposed to play this weekend, just
in time because it is a nationally televised game against
New York on ABC.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
I believe and I and I hope that Rob Robin Rob.
I hope that the respect is put more so on
her name just that's hey, they are there to watch her.
Not to say that the w NBA hasn't built an
amazing brand, but the same way the NBA. One watch
It was on tape delay Michael Michael Jordan and in
(19:55):
Magic Johnson.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
And Larry Bird and Larry Bird.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
They made the NBA man and and more so let's
just put it on Michael's back. Well, Michael Jordan did
made the NBA what it is and it wouldn't be
that without it. And then Kobe carried it from Michael
and Lebron carried it for him. And you're you're you're
looking for another name and I can't stand in the
NBA universe where they go, we don't need another face
of the league. Yes you do, Yes, you do, Yes,
(20:20):
you do.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That idea When I hear that, I don't know what
people it's the marketing part of it. People are attracted
to that, you know, to stars, not we don't want
milk toes or nobody's better than anybody else and everybody's
the same. That's not what fans you're drawn to. And
the word fan is what fanatics, right, it's based off
of that, derived from the word fanatics and that and
(20:43):
that is because you really care and you want to
see the best of the best and you want to
see the big stars.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
That's just a part of sports.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
But she she is incredible, to be honest, and that's
why I call it a Hall and Globe trotters when
they come, when she comes to town or she's on
people of flipping and turn the channels to see her.
Now have you been have you seen her in person
or not?
Speaker 7 (21:03):
I haven't seen her in person. I've watched a couple
of the games, but I haven't seen her in person.
And here's the thing I wanted to say this too.
We're watching some of the best basketball rob that we've
seen in the NBA Finals in the years, I mean
in the years. This is a great series. It's been
a great playoffs thus far, and nobody's watching because the
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casuals don't want to see this. They don't you know.
So again, with all the respect to the games, there's
a business of basketball that goes on behind the scenes,
and it's a player driven league, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
And market size matters, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
People, I know Silver was trying to downplay it and
talk about that it doesn't matter the size of the market.
But that's just not true. And you know this because
you played in the league for a long time. As
good as the Spurs were and Tim Duncan, they always
had the lowest rated finals because they were in a
small market in Sanini.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Just that I'm gonna argue at that point, Lebron was
in Cleveland and you watched there's certain players that bring
them out.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Now, no, no, no, no, But I'm saying in a small market, yes,
it's harder significant the New Jersey nets you say, oh, well,
they're right outside New York. You know that they they
didn't get the numbers either. People didn't watch win the
New Jersey that they made it to the finals.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Two years in a row.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Yeah, yeah, you're you're right about that. So it's city matters,
and even bigger than the city, players matter, and and
Lebron and Cleveland was a staple of that, you know,
and his respect is is definitely going to be shown.
To me, that's the biggest part of Lebron's legacy. Ain't
that winning in Miami. It's it's it's that going back
to Cleveland and winning was the one.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, that was the big one.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I agree that that kind of because even in Miami,
if you really want to be honest, it was he
was the one saying not two, not three, not four,
about all the championships they're going to win, and they
won two out of four. That lost to Dallas was
the one that people were like, really, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
It sticks with them and shout out to Carlisle. But absolutely,
just to your point with Caitlyn Clark, it's a player
run league and hopefully there's the next star that that
comes around. And they've been there have been unbelievable players
Man Candice Parker, Lisa Leslie and all those, all those
ladies and legends, superb Like they built a building blocks
(23:19):
Steena Thompson, shout out to Tina, see her all the time.
Cheryl swoops like you can go on down the build
the building blocks put on.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
A different level right with them, with the eyeballs.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
And you know, the irony enough and them, I'm just
gonna call it for what it is. Caitlyn wouldn't be
Kaitlyn without Angel Reese sparking the controversy and her it's
they're the perfect mix of controversy along with game. You
know what I'm saying. You can argue that when Angel's
game gets where it needs to go, you know she
(23:50):
can be more of that draw. Right now, you know
you're not coming out to watch rebounds, but she's she's
great behind the mic. She has an excellent personality. But
make no mistake, she pulled what Caitlyn was and made
people start looking at what Caitlyn Clark does on the floor,
not that she didn't have the game, but you know,
it became a national, national shoot, a world story.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Rob
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