July 15, 2025 • 31 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin explain why Jalen Hurts isn't as good as Nick Sirianni might think he is but he's also not as bad as biggest detractors say he is either, tell us why they have no issue with Rob Manfred extending a special MLB All-Star Game invite to rookie pitcher Jacob Misiorowski, and explain why it's completely understandable that Scottie Scheffler doesn't feel fulfilled by winning golf tournaments.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Martin.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yesterday, we had a conversation about the top ten quarterbacks.
You know, they had that list that they put out
one hundred best players in the NFL, and then they
go position by position and they had the top ten
at each position, and of course they start with the
We had the quarterback conversation, so Mahomes is number one,
which was to let me say, ask you, at least
to me, that was to be expected.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Maybe to you it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
No, it's I mean, I know that he lost the
Super Bowl last year, but the King stays the King
for a little while longer than that, so we.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Were on the same page.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
That was my point was he earned that rare fight
air where when Tiger became less of Tiger, he was
still Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So you still took him over the field.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
When Brady finally started getting older, maybe the arn wasn't good,
you still said, now, I'm taking Tom Brady and Lebron
for the most part, up until maybe three four years ago,
you still say, nah, I still take Lebron Serena Williams.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Same thing.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
They earned that rare fighter where you say, now until
they're beating I'm rolling with that guy.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
And Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Isn't that the other guy who kind of was interesting
on that list because their top four or five you
kind of for at least.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You knew it was Burrow.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I'm not in any order right now, but Burrow was Allen,
and it was Lamar Jackson. And then the fifth was
interesting Jayden Daniels, because you're like, oh, okay, rookie year
was spectacular, but rookie, some of these other guys got
some longevity in the game. And at nine was where
it got interesting because it was that's where you found
the reigning Super Bowl champion quarterback Jalen Hurts at number nine.
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And then of course you have Nick Sirianni come out
and I'm just gonna paraphrase f him basically say, hey,
it's a joke that he's here. At that low. It's
a joke kind of how he's perceived his league. He's
done enough, is a joke that people kind of criticize
what we ask of him for this team.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
They use that against him.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
So when you have that polling, you have that Nick
Airianni sticking up for his guy. Where do you come
out on Jalen Hurts as we sit here, Uh, you know,
a couple of months away from this upcoming season.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Well, I think it's the nuanced conversation. And that's why
I think Nick Gianni has no chance of being able
to do it. And I get you paraphrase what he
did say, because you can't say what he actually said
over the radio, you know, but you know the idea
that Nick Gianni would swear about that shot. That's right,
that's Nick being now that you've won, good luck. You
know that. That's all we'll see going forward. But the
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thing is like, if I'm doing an expansion drag and
I has a number one overall pick, I'm picking a
lot of players before I get to Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I'm picking a lot of quarterbacks before I get to
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
However, that does not mean when Nick Sirianni is saying
in this moment is untrue. What they ask him to do.
He executes at an incredibly high level. I you know,
and the tush push, that's a real thing. I can't
stand it personally. I don't think it's football. But I
clearly am on the losing end of this battle. And
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you know why, because the team that keeps running it
wins the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
And you know what, we'll just have him doing it.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
You know, I just wait for the worst pacingario and
I'll just point to te level.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I told you so.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
But until then, I have to entertain this conversation because
it is a web.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
It's not going anywhere despite all the votes to the
contrary or for a positive. So but if you just
evaluate just at the quote unquote playing of the quarterback position,
and it's not a knock to Jalen hurts his ability
or you know, it's just there are guys that are
just flatly better than him at the things that I
think you ask a quarterback to do on a consistent basis. Now,
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I think he makes up for some of those things
in like leadership and being steady.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I think the fact that Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Has so much success as a coach that kind of
goes off the hinges at times is because Jalen Hurts
is his quarterback.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
I think that you when when you got your wide
receiver reading self help books and your coach doing the
doing fly eagles slide to the fans, somebody's got to
be the adult in the room. And I think Jalen
Hurts does that and does the great job for that organization.
So ninth best to me, if I'm Nick Sirianna, I'm saying, look,
you know what, he was first best at the end
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of the year, and that's where we're gonna go with that. Right,
I wouldn't be going and addressed and all of this
because it's like who at some point you protest too
much because you know what we're saying is true. Go
back to them when he throws over the Look at
Jalen hurts numbers. When he throws over thirty times, they
two and two. They don't win, you know what I'm saying.
They go back to last year when they scale him
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back and they run the ball more, they win more consistently,
and that, you know, is it on knock to Jalen Hurts. Whatever,
if you want to call it that or not, that's
just what it is. But the fact of the matter
is two summers ago we were talking about nobody wants
to pay a running back. That next summer it's sa
Barkley went insane through the Eagles offense at ward of
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a Super Bowl. And so if you're telling me that
what is it you have the best everything?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I mean, that's how you would feel.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I'm sure if you ask some best offensive line, best
defensive line, best running back, and in his mind best quarterback,
clearly he's gonna feel that way. But I get that
a couple So you mentioned a couple of things. Let
me break it down like this. I said this yesterday,
Jalen Hurts. If we're gonna be equal, then he does
deserve a bit more praise or less disrespect.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Here's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
If you ask who's played the best quarterbacking, who's been
quarterbacking the best, who's been owning the position, it has
not been Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes has been the best
of a couple of things. Patrick Mahomes has been the
best at third down, He's had the best QBR with
that and he also had the best when it came percentage.
Think it's fifty three percent completion percentage on our first downs.
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On third down, he makes those passes. So ultimately, what
he's saying is when we need it done, he gets
it done. When we need win, he gets a win.
And to the tune of despite what Rob Parker will
say fifteen and two, to the tune of getting back
to the super Bowl win, everyone want to say, Man,
something's off. They're not winning at a hot clip or
blowing people out. He doesn't look great. He just gets
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to the super Bowl. So if we're putting all of
that on him as far as winning, and that's why
I believe he's still number one. You believe it even
though Lamar Jackson's played incredibly better football, Josh Allen's played
better football, Joe Burrows played better football over the last
couple of seasons. You just had that faith in him. Then,
to me, we also have to put it on Jalen
Hurts as well. I've been critical of him. He's not
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the guy necessarily. Do you think you'd want an a
duel or a shootout? However, if what we ultimately great
quarterbacks by his wins, the brother gets wins to the
tune of six and three in the playoffs. You saw
what he'd done in the super bowls. Multiple super bowls,
he won, one lost, one outplayed Mahomes, and the one
he lost just outperformed him again in the one that
he won. And he's played very well twenty touchdowns, three
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interceptions in the playoff runs for him. He continues to
be dynamic at running the football. The best short yard
is runner in football. Three seasons of ten touchdowns and
more shut.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
I can't stand that you can say that in Nippy
a fact because of this toush push foolishness.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But here's the student I feel. I feel terrible for
every running quarterback before you.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Here's the thing. He's the one doing it. Everybody's got
a chance. Thirty one other teams. Only one other team
is semi proficient at it in the Bills, and that
ended up costing them in the postseason trying to do
it a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
So he does that.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Well, you mentioned another thing, leadership. When he puts on them,
Dad Khakis, you know what time it is. He's about business.
Even when they have disgrunt, you know, just runner receivers
or they're getting into it. Him and aj Brown, they
find a worright way to work through it. He always
says the right thing, and that's a part of that position,
as you know, coming up there, despite what just happened
in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
When I come out there.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Answering questions, boom ba boom, diffusing things, putting out fires.
So we do have to put more respect on his
name now when it comes down to rankings. Look, people
are also gonna look at talent. I believe if you
just watched them, you fail from ours. You knew football
and you watch it, you would say, oh, that guy
Jaydon Dan was more talented, Joe Borrows more talented, Patrick Holmes,
Lamar Jackson, And I think that's where the issue comes
(08:19):
with him. But if it comes, if we're gonna say ultimately,
Terry Bradshaw is highly respected and he heralded because he
has four Super Bowl rings because all he ThReD to
do it was win so much. He wasn't the best
arm talent, He wasn't the guy when you think of
just passing, but he won. He was perfect for that team,
for the Steelers of the seventies. So that's and that
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is what Jalen Hurts. He's perfect for this team that
wants to beat you up, run the ball, stop the run,
and find ways to win games.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
He's perfect for this team.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
My last point, Martin, you look at a guy like
Tom Brady, Well, there's been iterations of him. He was
dink and dunk dincon dunk managed the game West win.
Then he became I can this thing out when you
need you for years and to me, Jalen Hurts right now,
maybe he can start airing it out when he needs to,
But right now, this is what I am. This is
what I need to be, to the tune of way
more wins than the guys in the posty than y'all
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keep putting ahead of me, except for Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
But so also, but part of the reason why there's
way more wins in the postseason is because he does
not have to play Patrick Mahomes, nor Lamar Jackson, nor
Josh Allen. Part of the reason why Patrick Mahomes is
still number one on this list is because even though
they had better regular seasons, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow,
you name it, every time they stepped into the kingdom,
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the king came out on top undred percent and the
King's king.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Now here's the thing. I'm willing to walk to this,
to walk to this. Let's see if we can meet
in the middle.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Here I have Mahomes still is the number one guy,
but I am opening up to the top four or
five to Now it is now a the race is
not She is not such a prohibitive favorite that it
is like we are talking about him and everybody else.
Like when Lebron was at the top of his game,
we were talking about Lebron and the rest through the league.
When Jordan was at the top VISI game, were talking
about Jordan and the rest of the league. And we
(10:04):
saw guys get MVP of trophies. We saw guys get
you know, multiple MVP trophies, And while still acknowledging the
fact that Jordan or Lebron was the best player, you know,
year in year out, that's what this is.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
To me, That's what this is. What you don't think
so you know what I'm saying, No, you're right, but
I'm saying that's crazy. That Mike was sitting there, Mike
and and we were like, you know what, boy, that
David Robinson, that Carl Malone that and Mike Sait the
like and you know what, and if Mahomes runs off
two of the next three Super Bowls and it's you know,
that's comparable with might sit back and look, you know what,
that was really dumb that conversation we had on man
(10:38):
July fifteenth.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
You're really looking for something to talk about. Huh. The
thing I'll go to about the NFC guys that are
ahead of him, because all that's true for the AFC.
If you wanted to just have blanket the best four
quarterbacks in the AFC, make that statement, then I would
be like, all right, cool, I get you, But I'll
tell you what the issue is with the NFC quarterbacks
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because to me, the top four unassailably or in the AFC.
The issue with the NFC quarterbacks of why they're ahead
of Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
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Speaker 4 (11:48):
Rob Manfree speaking of MLBU he is defending and how
he has had to been the rules a little bit
when it comes to selection to a replacement in the
MLB All Star Game, Rob gm to come to you
tee us up on this one because I want to
hear where we both are seer on the same page
when it comes to Rob Manfred's decisions.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Now, Mark, you were here for this day.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
But a couple of weeks ago, we had a pretty
strong YouTube moment debating whether or not it was fair
that Clayton Kershaw got in as a Legends choice for
the All Star Game. Well, about a couple days later,
Rob Manfred turned down one on its head, and no
one even cares about Clayton Ursch anymore because Brewers rookie
pitcher Jacob Mizerowski, who has only pitched in five MLB games,
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so far in his young career, was added as a
replacement All Star pitcher for the National League, and he
got a lot of people up in arms, so much
so that several Philadelphia Phillies players went on record. This
was not anonymous sourcing, This was not let me tell
a reporter, who's gonna tell someone else. No, they said
themselves that they had a problem with it. Trey Turner
on MIZ getting in, what a joke, that's effing terrible Nicks.
(13:01):
It's turning into the Savannah bananas.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Right.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
So it's been a big thing across baseball. So last night, so.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
A quick point of order, because is there any reason
why it's just Philly's talking out that the Philly gets
snubbed for this.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Well, they had two guys who they believe guy, so
they were the ones who were most public about it.
So last night MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred was asked about
it because it is a controversial decision, and he said,
quote the excitement that was going to be generated the
fanagers and seeing this guy, you know, it's something that
we couldn't ignore. And he added later, do I want
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to make it the norm where guy's only pitching five
games in or not. I don't, but I believe it
was the right decision here given where we are.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
All right, this is an easy one for me.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Rob Manfred is in his sug Night death Row era.
This is where if you recall, Yo, you don't want
to you want this, you want that, come to death Row,
come to MLB. And he is feeling himself right now,
and I'll tell you why. Coming off some successes, Martin,
he's coming off. Man, what were we kind of just
say in a moment ago baseball got a little boring,
(14:06):
right y'all say it got a little boring. Okay, I
understand that. Bam get rid of his line shift. No, no,
no player, you gonna have to defend. You know you're
saying baseball is getting a little boring. Okay, Bam, pitchclock
speed this thing on up, Brouh, Baseball's going a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
All right.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Let me check you see if you've got what you got?
He got guitar, you got any resident on your hand.
He has been cleaning and changing the game a bit,
and I think it's starting to get some of it
is starting to have an impact. We're starting to feel it.
The games are faster, more compelling, Also one of the
things if historically, sen since I was doing sports radio
even at the other places, that baseball loves the ghost
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of the year's past, Martin, you wouldn't know who was
playing right now because the first thing tell me about
the game to day ball Before I get to that, man,
let me tell you about Ted Williams, Jo Demagio, Babe Ruth.
Let me tell you about all these old guys, Willie Mays,
Willie Mays, Willie As.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
And Hank Aaron and just going and on.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
They always were you like, dude, but you got some
great players right now currently doing amazing things. And then
you watch all Star games. It was never like what
we just watched. It was wheeling out guys. And I'm
not saying you don't respect an honor the past. Absolutely
you do that, but you don't solely do that. And
baseball was solely living in the past. So I think
Rob Manford is feeling himself that some of the decisions
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he has made have worked made the game more popular.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Some of he kind of just looked into.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yankees Dodger's first time ainy one you fell into that
ended up being compelling series. You got show, Hey, you
got Aaron Judge. You got all these big names, you
got all these all stars that just fell in his lap.
So I think he's continuing with the motim the momentum.
So I think this is a decision. I like what
he said there. He said, Look, I'm gonna keep it real.
This is about the fact that this kid throws one
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hundred and three hundred and four miles per hour. People
want to see it. I might not do it again.
I hope I don't have to. And mind you, he
made them an offer they shouldn't reviews. He asked a
couple of the pictures Martin, He said, hey, are you
gonna guarantee me?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Anni? He said, well, no, I just pitched on Sunday.
I don't think I'll ever then get.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Out you're gonna do it guarantee any Well, no, I
don't want to guarantee because I just don't.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Then you ain't pitching.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
And so he is in his death row mob Boss
the Godfather Air right now doing what he believes is
best for the game, trying to raise the platform of
the game, make the game hit relevant. And I'm not
mad at him because part of that is you're gonna
make mistakes. Part of that is you're not gonna always
get it right, but at least you're trying, and baseball
becomes stagnant for some time, hadn't tried things, wasn't switching
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it up. So I'm not mad at sug Manfred right
now as he's trying to do some things.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
The only beef I have with this for real, I
don't have problem with Suarez and Sanchez missing because to
go on like for the Phillies, whole team.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Damn near to go on record. I was like, wait,
let me go to that. The Ranger Suarez.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
We actually got in a big argument two weeks ago
on these air because I was like, he leads the
major League in era. Doesn't qualify he didn't qualify because
I was like, no, I just saw it.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
He has a two ERA. He's like, he's one of
the top five.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Didn't qualify, not enough, not enough innings pitch to qualify.
And it ended up being a big blowout between me
and Muncie.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Uh. It was. It was long.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Past Christopher Sanchez. He pitched Star this weekend. He wasn't
gonna be available. So if you're not going to be
available and you just want to have like the all
Star the All Star ceremonial. All right, cool, whatever, but
you gotta be available to go. My beef with this
is like I have a problem with Jacob Minzerowski over
Won Soto, not over Rangers Suarez, Like I'm I think
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you've won Soto should be an All Star with the
first half that he's having.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I know it started out slow.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
But also the and the final point in the first
point to you when I was talking about this, we
have already made it is already established in baseball. These
are not the best sixty players. There's one representative from
every team. There's all this so like like Hobby Bias
is a center fielder for the crazy Like is he that? No,
he's not to be like soh some things about there
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going to be a little off year to year, some
things about this would be a little weird year to year.
And if it ends up that Paul Skins has five
All Star Games when he really only had three good
years or something like that, three years of winning, I'm
not gonna cry about it. If it ends up to
Jacob Minzrawski ends up being the Brewers All Star for
the next two years and the Brewers are a five
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hundred team in the Nano Central. I'm not gonna cry
about that because to me, you're not the chances that
the Colorado Rockies have one of the best sixty players
in baseball right now, hard.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Me to believe. Heard of the sixty year Can they
get sixty wins?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I'll say, if you're doing our filling out the All
Star roster, hards me to believe.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Absolutely. And I want to go up to Wa Soto.
I agree.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
We sat here, I don't know a week week and
a half ago, me and Rob talking about that, and
I said, that's the trouble that comes with the money,
because immediately right off the bat you mentioned he started
off slowly. He wasn't where you think he'd because immediately
we equate it to money. And he had an amazing June,
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was probably one of the best players, and he won
the Player of the Month for June. And then you
can still go, well he started off slow, or well
he's not doing he should be number one, number two,
number three, and the stats because you just simply equated
to the money. So Juan Soto absolutely should have been
an All Star. And I think moving forward, he's gonna
have to keep that in mind. That that's the responsibility.
That's the challenges I should say that comes when you sign,
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you know, three quarters of a billion dollar deal, is
that the expectations are crazy and you kind of have
those moments where maybe you shouldn't have talked about missing
your old boo, talking about, you know, missing playing with
the Yankees and Judge and Will is not the same.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I'm not playing with them, but I'm not to cut
you off. Maybe I'm just too big of a football fan.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
I listen what to talk about in the media and
what you do on the diamond.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Those are two different things to me.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
You want to be immy nice to be the number
MVP candidate that I can rock with you Aaron Rodgers,
But like Juan Soto, only seven players in Major League
Baseball history to the All Star Break recorded at least
twenty fo runs, seven walks, fifteen doubles, and ten stolen bases.
Seven players in a history of baseball, and you're telling
me that the guy that's pitched five and made five
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starts or made five appearances is what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
But so the first half of that I'll reply with
that's why I go back to the fan perception of
money and what you're doing, especially when you have a
slow start, right, because now you've been covering sports long
enough to know this is one of the worst things
about sports, but it's kind of a fact if you
do something wrong or just this is how you are.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
We kind of perceived that forever for you.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
For instance, Lebron didn't take some shots or missed a
shot kind of early on its clutch.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Then he went want to be very clutch.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
But in our minds, Lebron ain't clutch, right because those
first few times he either missed it or he passed
it up or he didn't shoot it, and we wanted
to do so permanently. In our mind, Lebron ain't clutch,
and it happens all the time. So I think people
want so to aut this money starts off slowly, teams
not winning a b and I think people they're not
doing what we do, coming in for a living, checking
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the stats, checking this, We're we're gonna talk about having meetings,
you know, preparing for a show. I think they're like,
I mean, I know he's been better, but he ain't
been that good, And I think that just becomes the
perception he ain't worth all that money.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
You want to talk about perception, I'm sorry, I don't
know if I just saw this back to back plays
in this game, Caitlyn Clark got the ball stolen from
her and then turned over the next possession, shot a
three over a double team, and it just popped. She
is one for twenty nine on three pointers on the
road since she's been back, but she's in three point contest.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I mentioned that when I were Steve said that. I said, dude,
she's shooting twenty nine on this Well, surely he's less
now twenty nine percent of the season twenty six percent
since she's been back from injury. And by the way,
I'm glad you mentioned that because it has nothing to
do with the emailbing Rod Manford. But I will say,
Caitlyn Clark do got to get some of the smoke
because we will sing her praises, which justifiably so when
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she's playing well and she's doing amazing things she does.
Because if anybody else was doing this, if Steph Curry
was one for twenty nine, we'd be going crazy.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
And to be honest, Steph Curry could go one for
twenty nine if you wanted to be in the three
point Contest, nobody would blink at the All Star break,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Like, depending on how it happened.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
This is kind of coming up on the All Star
break for the WNBA, so it's kind of going into
the stretch of it. But like if it was if
Steph Curry started the first month of the year one
for twenty nine from three by the All Star break,
if he wanted to, He's in the three point Contest.
That's kind of my point with Juan Soto. It's like,
at a certain point, these guys are the establishment of
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what your league is. The WNBA is putting Caitlin Clark
in the three point Contest this year, not because she
is one of the best three point shooters in the
league this year.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
She is putting it in. It is that it is
a bet on.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
The future of what could happen, you know what I'm saying,
of what they believe will happen.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I don't know what Jan Soto has either done or
rod Manford just felt like he needed another pitcher and
that was kind of the direction I'm gonna go, and
I want to, you know again, put miz in and
so they can see something spectacular for a inning, see
somebody do something different. We'll have guys who can hit,
we'll have guys who can field, but we won't have
necessarily guys who are throwing one hundred and three hundred
four miles power.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
So maybe that's what he's mixing it up.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
And that goes back to my original point that he
is in his death row sug night.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I'm doing stuff. Hey, Pete Rose, you just die, all right?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Y'all can vote him in now if you choose to,
whether you want to get him off the band list,
like I mean, is it is. I'm just making these
gangster decisions molding again. Some of it's work sped up,
the game change, the line shift, offenses, going fell into
the Dodgers Yankees, the whole Pete Rose thing. So he
is making some of these decisions right now and this
is being another one, and Wan Soda has to fill
some type of way though. I bet the second half
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of the season he's got to go on a tear
because he's got to feel slighted from both the fan
perspective and then obviously Red Manfred Rob Manford, or you
could also just say Kelvin, I'm all right, why them
checks cash either way, which, by the way, that was
another thing he'dn't have to say. Rob and I did
agree when they asked him. By all you feels little,
you know, missing the game, and he was like, man,
you know Almo's money I'm missing out on.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah. I mean again, he didn't do himself any favors.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
But like you gotta know the climate, people are losing
their jobs left and right right now, people struggle busting.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Everything's up.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Sometimes it's just shows Tayy say, yeah, man, I really
wanted to represent the Mets in the city and put
them on my back end. Be an All Star game. Bruh,
seven hundred mil. That one hundred and twenty. If you
were to be on part of the winning team, you'll
be all right.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yep. Funny enough.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
I had a lot of conversations about once so though
over the last five days with people from the Dominican Republic.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, fifty fifty to fifty Really a lot of them
are Yankees fans too.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, but that just goes to show you
there's pictures and posters and murals of fred adel tattos.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Everywhere, right, you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Fifty and again completely anectotal not reporting no, but I
liked it though.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
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Speaker 3 (25:00):
Just interesting.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
The conversation that I think Scotti Scheffler he kind of
had and essentially the way it reads to me is
kind of sad almost or at least kind of heart filed.
So I'm as jump into what he was saying. He's
the conversations was by winning. Conversation was about what it
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does for you and how you feel and the fulfillment
of winning some of these tournaments.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
It's fulfilling from the sense of accomplishment, but it's not
fulfilling from a sense of like the deepest places of
your heart.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You know, there's a lot of people that make.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
It to what they thought was going to fulfill them
in life, and then you get there, and all of
a sudden you get to number one in the world,
and then they're like, what's the point? I really do
believe that, because you know, what is the point? You're like,
why do I want to win this tournament so bad?
That's something that I wrestle with on a daily basis.
You know, I'm kind of sick of I love putting
in the work, I love being able to practice. I
love getting out to live out my dreams. But at
the end of the day, sometimes I just don't understand
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the point. I love the challenge, I love being able
to play this game for a living. It's it's one
of the greatest joys of my life life. But does
it fill the deepest, you know, wants and desires of
my heart?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Absolutely not so A lot of HeSE just touched on
right there.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah, and I got I got two things from that,
and I think it's applicable to you listening to you,
Martin sentting to my left, myself, Robgi, Alex, everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
A couple of things.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Number one, and I mentioned this before when we Rob
and I were having a conversation about people get wrapped
up into their job, right you Rocket Fox Sports Radio,
five years, ten years, twenty years, This is what I do,
this is who I am, and then one day they
fire you, one day, let you go, whatever happens, and
people lose themselves because that became their identity, right And
I think some of what he's mentioning here, and whether
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he unintentionally or intentionally meant to say it was to me,
I'm a golfer, But this isn't my identity, right, This
isn't who I am as a person. This isn't the
thing that sustains or fulfills me. I have a family,
he went on to talk about. I have a family,
I love, I have a wife, I have kids, I
have you know, other family members of other hobbies. I
have things that matter to me, and just simply winning
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something or losing can't be how I judge my life.
And I think that's something we could all think about
our jobs or the thing we love to do. That
doesn't have to be your entire existence, because one day
that could end.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
One day, if your a football players over for it's
over for the professional athlete. One day it will end.
It will be going to.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
End at a point in your life when everybody else
is still working or just.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Getting going right, just really finding their way. I'm thirty two,
thirty four, I'm just getting good. I'm finding my way,
and you're done. You're like, okay, what do I do next?
And also acceptance. I think a little bit of that
for him is also acknowledging like, man, will they accept
me if I win? Will they validate me win? Will
this be exactly what they want? Did I get enough?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Martin?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Did I win enough? We have enough tournaments? Because nowadays
he wins three? Oh, I wasn't good enough for his talent.
I went five. Yeah, But Tiger did this. Phil did that,
you know what I mean? And I think he realized
I'll always be chasing it if I'm doing it for
just the crowd and the accepts as well. And so
I think another example of this to me the other
side is Naomi Osaka. I think she's kind of struggling
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with some things. If you saw her most recently lose
and she said, I can't find anything positive in this.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I feel negative.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
And she said the only thing positive is my daughter's
birthday this weekend, So that's the only thing I can
gleam on. And you know, she's been in and out
of tournaments, taking her time, taking a year off maternity,
or just mental health. And I think we don't talk
about this part of it enough for athletes, the mental
health part of what they do.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
You knew Greg Hart, I believe right from Michigan.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Did Greg Harden, my best friend's pops rest in peace,
just passed away a little less than a year ago.
He was a sports counselor Google for the greats Desmond Howard,
Tom Brady, Michael Phelps, so many, Charles Woodson and so
many will never know because they were a third string cornerback,
or they were a wrestler, or they were a gymnasts
that went to Michigan and you never knew them. But
that was his great thing, is getting them to understand
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who they are and how to use sports. But it
ain't who you are solely. It's a part of you.
And last thing I'll say too, you have to fall
in love. I think what we all learn is to
with the process, Like he said, just trying to be
the best golfer, working on the game because the wins
and the losses will get you in the high and
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the lows.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
And I tell that to a lot of young people
getting in this business.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
They'll get a great review or a great rating and
up or winning an award. They're on Mount Everest. Someone says,
I didn't like that story. I didn't like the way
you just hosted that, Dey Martin. Now they're in the
deepest valley. You gotta be there for saying you don't
want to do that. You want to ride this thing
out the take the criticism, take the good, the love,
don't go too high, don't go too low, and love
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the game in the process of just being the best
version of yourself, not necessarily always solely the wins and losses.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I will say I think that Scotti Scheffler is peaking
from a place of very, very earned privilege.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
It's a little bit easier to.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Say being the number one golfer in the world's not
important when you've been the number one golf in the
world so much as he has. Right, it's like if
and and also I remember back to and again I
air a parachute in on golf. So I wasn't watching
before the Masters, but then I see the Masters.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Oh right, chefer's wife is pregnant. Oh he might not
play him she's gonna have the baby.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Oh well, that's that's certainly a decision, right, Like and know,
I'm not saying was it the past with judgment or anything,
but it's just that's definitely a decision that some other
people may not have made, right, And whether that's I'm
not here to tell you good, bad, or indifferent. I'm
just saying it's a decision that he made. And when
I cause when I hear these quotes I read him.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
At first, my eyebrows went up. I hear him say it.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
It sounds like he's a guy that knows, like, like,
my kid's gonna take this first step soon?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Am I gonna be golfing? Then?
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Like you know what I'm saying, am I gonna be
able to drive my kids to carpool and practice and
all that other stuff like? And I think that when
he talks about it, it's because his child was born
just about a year ago, right, So it's kind of
like the yeah you started speaking, this happening, these moments
that are, oh my god, she's got a FaceTime because
the first tooth pops out or something. And he's earned
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over one hundred and thirty million dollars. You know, he's
got he's got enough money to wear, he's not exactly
going hungry. So I think with all of that being said,
you know it is what you know.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Martin.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yesterday, we had a conversation about the top ten quarterbacks.
You know, they had that list that they put out
one hundred best players in the NFL, and then they
go position by position and they had the top ten
at each position, and of course they start with the
We had the quarterback conversation, so Mahomes is number one,
which was to let me say, ask you, at least
to me, that was to be expected.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Maybe to you it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
No, it's I mean, I know that he lost the
Super Bowl last year, but the King stays the King
for a little while longer than that, so we.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Were on the same page.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
That was my point was he earned that rare fight
air where when Tiger became less of Tiger, he was
still Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So you still took him over the field.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
When Brady finally started getting older, maybe the arn wasn't good,
you still said, now, I'm taking Tom Brady and Lebron
for the most part, up until maybe three four years ago,
you still say, nah, I still take Lebron Serena Williams.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Same thing.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
They earned that rare fighter where you say, now until
they're beating I'm rolling with that guy.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
And Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Isn't that the other guy who kind of was interesting
on that list because their top four or five you
kind of for at least.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You knew it was Burrow.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I'm not in any order right now, but Burrow was Allen,
and it was Lamar Jackson. And then the fifth was
interesting Jayden Daniels, because you're like, oh, okay, rookie year
was spectacular, but rookie, some of these other guys got
some longevity in the game. And at nine was where
it got interesting because it was that's where you found
the reigning Super Bowl champion quarterback Jalen Hurts at number nine.
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And then of course you have Nick Sirianni come out
and I'm just gonna paraphrase f him basically say, hey,
it's a joke that he's here. At that low. It's
a joke kind of how he's perceived his league. He's
done enough, is a joke that people kind of criticize
what we ask of him for this team.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
They use that against him.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
So when you have that polling, you have that Nick
Airianni sticking up for his guy. Where do you come
out on Jalen Hurts as we sit here, Uh, you know,
a couple of months away from this upcoming season.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Well, I think it's the nuanced conversation. And that's why
I think Nick Gianni has no chance of being able
to do it. And I get you paraphrase what he
did say, because you can't say what he actually said
over the radio, you know, but you know the idea
that Nick Gianni would swear about that shot. That's right,
that's Nick being now that you've won, good luck. You
know that. That's all we'll see going forward. But the
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thing is like, if I'm doing an expansion drag and
I has a number one overall pick, I'm picking a
lot of players before I get to Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I'm picking a lot of quarterbacks before I get to
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
However, that does not mean when Nick Sirianni is saying
in this moment is untrue. What they ask him to do.
He executes at an incredibly high level. I you know,
and the tush push, that's a real thing. I can't
stand it personally. I don't think it's football. But I
clearly am on the losing end of this battle. And
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you know why, because the team that keeps running it
wins the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
And you know what, we'll just have him doing it.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
You know, I just wait for the worst pacingario and
I'll just point to te level.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I told you so.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
But until then, I have to entertain this conversation because
it is a web.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
It's not going anywhere despite all the votes to the
contrary or for a positive. So but if you just
evaluate just at the quote unquote playing of the quarterback position,
and it's not a knock to Jalen hurts his ability
or you know, it's just there are guys that are
just flatly better than him at the things that I
think you ask a quarterback to do on a consistent basis. Now,
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I think he makes up for some of those things
in like leadership and being steady.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I think the fact that Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Has so much success as a coach that kind of
goes off the hinges at times is because Jalen Hurts
is his quarterback.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
I think that you when when you got your wide
receiver reading self help books and your coach doing the
doing fly eagles slide to the fans, somebody's got to
be the adult in the room. And I think Jalen
Hurts does that and does the great job for that organization.
So ninth best to me, if I'm Nick Sirianna, I'm saying, look,
you know what, he was first best at the end
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of the year, and that's where we're gonna go with that. Right,
I wouldn't be going and addressed and all of this
because it's like who at some point you protest too
much because you know what we're saying is true. Go
back to them when he throws over the Look at
Jalen hurts numbers. When he throws over thirty times, they
two and two. They don't win, you know what I'm saying.
They go back to last year when they scale him
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back and they run the ball more, they win more consistently,
and that, you know, is it on knock to Jalen Hurts. Whatever,
if you want to call it that or not, that's
just what it is. But the fact of the matter
is two summers ago we were talking about nobody wants
to pay a running back. That next summer it's sa
Barkley went insane through the Eagles offense at ward of
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a Super Bowl. And so if you're telling me that
what is it you have the best everything?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I mean, that's how you would feel.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I'm sure if you ask some best offensive line, best
defensive line, best running back, and in his mind best quarterback,
clearly he's gonna feel that way. But I get that
a couple So you mentioned a couple of things. Let
me break it down like this. I said this yesterday,
Jalen Hurts. If we're gonna be equal, then he does
deserve a bit more praise or less disrespect.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Here's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
If you ask who's played the best quarterbacking, who's been
quarterbacking the best, who's been owning the position, it has
not been Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes has been the best
of a couple of things. Patrick Mahomes has been the
best at third down, He's had the best QBR with
that and he also had the best when it came percentage.
Think it's fifty three percent completion percentage on our first downs.
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On third down, he makes those passes. So ultimately, what
he's saying is when we need it done, he gets
it done. When we need win, he gets a win.
And to the tune of despite what Rob Parker will
say fifteen and two, to the tune of getting back
to the super Bowl win, everyone want to say, Man,
something's off. They're not winning at a hot clip or
blowing people out. He doesn't look great. He just gets
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to the super Bowl. So if we're putting all of
that on him as far as winning, and that's why
I believe he's still number one. You believe it even
though Lamar Jackson's played incredibly better football, Josh Allen's played
better football, Joe Burrows played better football over the last
couple of seasons. You just had that faith in him. Then,
to me, we also have to put it on Jalen
Hurts as well. I've been critical of him. He's not
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the guy necessarily. Do you think you'd want an a
duel or a shootout? However, if what we ultimately great
quarterbacks by his wins, the brother gets wins to the
tune of six and three in the playoffs. You saw
what he'd done in the super bowls. Multiple super bowls,
he won, one lost, one outplayed Mahomes, and the one
he lost just outperformed him again in the one that
he won. And he's played very well twenty touchdowns, three
(06:59):
interceptions in the playoff runs for him. He continues to
be dynamic at running the football. The best short yard
is runner in football. Three seasons of ten touchdowns and
more shut.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
I can't stand that you can say that in Nippy
a fact because of this toush push foolishness.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But here's the student I feel. I feel terrible for
every running quarterback before you.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Here's the thing. He's the one doing it. Everybody's got
a chance. Thirty one other teams. Only one other team
is semi proficient at it in the Bills, and that
ended up costing them in the postseason trying to do
it a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
So he does that.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Well, you mentioned another thing, leadership. When he puts on them,
Dad Khakis, you know what time it is. He's about business.
Even when they have disgrunt, you know, just runner receivers
or they're getting into it. Him and aj Brown, they
find a worright way to work through it. He always
says the right thing, and that's a part of that position,
as you know, coming up there, despite what just happened
in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
When I come out there.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Answering questions, boom ba boom, diffusing things, putting out fires.
So we do have to put more respect on his
name now when it comes down to rankings. Look, people
are also gonna look at talent. I believe if you
just watched them, you fail from ours. You knew football
and you watch it, you would say, oh, that guy
Jaydon Dan was more talented, Joe Borrows more talented, Patrick Holmes,
Lamar Jackson, And I think that's where the issue comes
(08:19):
with him. But if it comes, if we're gonna say ultimately,
Terry Bradshaw is highly respected and he heralded because he
has four Super Bowl rings because all he ThReD to
do it was win so much. He wasn't the best
arm talent, He wasn't the guy when you think of
just passing, but he won. He was perfect for that team,
for the Steelers of the seventies. So that's and that
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is what Jalen Hurts. He's perfect for this team that
wants to beat you up, run the ball, stop the run,
and find ways to win games.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
He's perfect for this team.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
My last point, Martin, you look at a guy like
Tom Brady, Well, there's been iterations of him. He was
dink and dunk dincon dunk managed the game West win.
Then he became I can this thing out when you
need you for years and to me, Jalen Hurts right now,
maybe he can start airing it out when he needs to,
But right now, this is what I am. This is
what I need to be, to the tune of way
more wins than the guys in the posty than y'all
(09:11):
keep putting ahead of me, except for Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
But so also, but part of the reason why there's
way more wins in the postseason is because he does
not have to play Patrick Mahomes, nor Lamar Jackson, nor
Josh Allen. Part of the reason why Patrick Mahomes is
still number one on this list is because even though
they had better regular seasons, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow,
you name it, every time they stepped into the kingdom,
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the king came out on top undred percent and the
King's king.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Now here's the thing. I'm willing to walk to this,
to walk to this. Let's see if we can meet
in the middle.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Here I have Mahomes still is the number one guy,
but I am opening up to the top four or
five to Now it is now a the race is
not She is not such a prohibitive favorite that it
is like we are talking about him and everybody else.
Like when Lebron was at the top of his game,
we were talking about Lebron and the rest through the league.
When Jordan was at the top VISI game, were talking
about Jordan and the rest of the league. And we
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saw guys get MVP of trophies. We saw guys get
you know, multiple MVP trophies, And while still acknowledging the
fact that Jordan or Lebron was the best player, you know,
year in year out, that's what this is.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
To me, That's what this is. What you don't think
so you know what I'm saying, No, you're right, but
I'm saying that's crazy. That Mike was sitting there, Mike
and and we were like, you know what, boy, that
David Robinson, that Carl Malone that and Mike Sait the
like and you know what, and if Mahomes runs off
two of the next three Super Bowls and it's you know,
that's comparable with might sit back and look, you know what,
that was really dumb that conversation we had on man
(10:38):
July fifteenth.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
You're really looking for something to talk about. Huh. The
thing I'll go to about the NFC guys that are
ahead of him, because all that's true for the AFC.
If you wanted to just have blanket the best four
quarterbacks in the AFC, make that statement, then I would
be like, all right, cool, I get you, But I'll
tell you what the issue is with the NFC quarterbacks
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because to me, the top four unassailably or in the AFC.
The issue with the NFC quarterbacks of why they're ahead
of Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
We'll do that next.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
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Speaker 4 (11:48):
Rob Manfree speaking of MLBU he is defending and how
he has had to been the rules a little bit
when it comes to selection to a replacement in the
MLB All Star Game, Rob gm to come to you
tee us up on this one because I want to
hear where we both are seer on the same page
when it comes to Rob Manfred's decisions.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Now, Mark, you were here for this day.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
But a couple of weeks ago, we had a pretty
strong YouTube moment debating whether or not it was fair
that Clayton Kershaw got in as a Legends choice for
the All Star Game. Well, about a couple days later,
Rob Manfred turned down one on its head, and no
one even cares about Clayton Ursch anymore because Brewers rookie
pitcher Jacob Mizerowski, who has only pitched in five MLB games,
(12:35):
so far in his young career, was added as a
replacement All Star pitcher for the National League, and he
got a lot of people up in arms, so much
so that several Philadelphia Phillies players went on record. This
was not anonymous sourcing, This was not let me tell
a reporter, who's gonna tell someone else. No, they said
themselves that they had a problem with it. Trey Turner
on MIZ getting in, what a joke, that's effing terrible Nicks.
(13:01):
It's turning into the Savannah bananas.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Right.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
So it's been a big thing across baseball. So last night, so.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
A quick point of order, because is there any reason
why it's just Philly's talking out that the Philly gets
snubbed for this.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Well, they had two guys who they believe guy, so
they were the ones who were most public about it.
So last night MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred was asked about
it because it is a controversial decision, and he said,
quote the excitement that was going to be generated the
fanagers and seeing this guy, you know, it's something that
we couldn't ignore. And he added later, do I want
(13:35):
to make it the norm where guy's only pitching five
games in or not. I don't, but I believe it
was the right decision here given where we are.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
All right, this is an easy one for me.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Rob Manfred is in his sug Night death Row era.
This is where if you recall, Yo, you don't want
to you want this, you want that, come to death Row,
come to MLB. And he is feeling himself right now,
and I'll tell you why. Coming off some successes, Martin,
he's coming off. Man, what were we kind of just
say in a moment ago baseball got a little boring,
(14:06):
right y'all say it got a little boring. Okay, I
understand that. Bam get rid of his line shift. No, no,
no player, you gonna have to defend. You know you're
saying baseball is getting a little boring. Okay, Bam, pitchclock
speed this thing on up, Brouh, Baseball's going a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
All right.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Let me check you see if you've got what you got?
He got guitar, you got any resident on your hand.
He has been cleaning and changing the game a bit,
and I think it's starting to get some of it
is starting to have an impact. We're starting to feel it.
The games are faster, more compelling, Also one of the
things if historically, sen since I was doing sports radio
even at the other places, that baseball loves the ghost
(14:40):
of the year's past, Martin, you wouldn't know who was
playing right now because the first thing tell me about
the game to day ball Before I get to that, man,
let me tell you about Ted Williams, Jo Demagio, Babe Ruth.
Let me tell you about all these old guys, Willie Mays,
Willie Mays, Willie As.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
And Hank Aaron and just going and on.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
They always were you like, dude, but you got some
great players right now currently doing amazing things. And then
you watch all Star games. It was never like what
we just watched. It was wheeling out guys. And I'm
not saying you don't respect an honor the past. Absolutely
you do that, but you don't solely do that. And
baseball was solely living in the past. So I think
Rob Manford is feeling himself that some of the decisions
(15:18):
he has made have worked made the game more popular.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Some of he kind of just looked into.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yankees Dodger's first time ainy one you fell into that
ended up being compelling series. You got show, Hey, you
got Aaron Judge. You got all these big names, you
got all these all stars that just fell in his lap.
So I think he's continuing with the motim the momentum.
So I think this is a decision. I like what
he said there. He said, Look, I'm gonna keep it real.
This is about the fact that this kid throws one
(15:44):
hundred and three hundred and four miles per hour. People
want to see it. I might not do it again.
I hope I don't have to. And mind you, he
made them an offer they shouldn't reviews. He asked a
couple of the pictures Martin, He said, hey, are you
gonna guarantee me?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Anni? He said, well, no, I just pitched on Sunday.
I don't think I'll ever then get.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Out you're gonna do it guarantee any Well, no, I
don't want to guarantee because I just don't.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Then you ain't pitching.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
And so he is in his death row mob Boss
the Godfather Air right now doing what he believes is
best for the game, trying to raise the platform of
the game, make the game hit relevant. And I'm not
mad at him because part of that is you're gonna
make mistakes. Part of that is you're not gonna always
get it right, but at least you're trying, and baseball
becomes stagnant for some time, hadn't tried things, wasn't switching
(16:28):
it up. So I'm not mad at sug Manfred right
now as he's trying to do some things.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
The only beef I have with this for real, I
don't have problem with Suarez and Sanchez missing because to
go on like for the Phillies, whole team.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Damn near to go on record. I was like, wait,
let me go to that. The Ranger Suarez.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
We actually got in a big argument two weeks ago
on these air because I was like, he leads the
major League in era. Doesn't qualify he didn't qualify because
I was like, no, I just saw it.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
He has a two ERA. He's like, he's one of
the top five.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Didn't qualify, not enough, not enough innings pitch to qualify.
And it ended up being a big blowout between me
and Muncie.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Uh. It was. It was long.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Past Christopher Sanchez. He pitched Star this weekend. He wasn't
gonna be available. So if you're not going to be
available and you just want to have like the all
Star the All Star ceremonial. All right, cool, whatever, but
you gotta be available to go. My beef with this
is like I have a problem with Jacob Minzerowski over
Won Soto, not over Rangers Suarez, Like I'm I think
(17:30):
you've won Soto should be an All Star with the
first half that he's having.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I know it started out slow.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
But also the and the final point in the first
point to you when I was talking about this, we
have already made it is already established in baseball. These
are not the best sixty players. There's one representative from
every team. There's all this so like like Hobby Bias
is a center fielder for the crazy Like is he that? No,
he's not to be like soh some things about there
(18:00):
going to be a little off year to year, some
things about this would be a little weird year to year.
And if it ends up that Paul Skins has five
All Star Games when he really only had three good
years or something like that, three years of winning, I'm
not gonna cry about it. If it ends up to
Jacob Minzrawski ends up being the Brewers All Star for
the next two years and the Brewers are a five
(18:20):
hundred team in the Nano Central. I'm not gonna cry
about that because to me, you're not the chances that
the Colorado Rockies have one of the best sixty players
in baseball right now, hard.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Me to believe. Heard of the sixty year Can they
get sixty wins?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I'll say, if you're doing our filling out the All
Star roster, hards me to believe.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Absolutely. And I want to go up to Wa Soto.
I agree.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
We sat here, I don't know a week week and
a half ago, me and Rob talking about that, and
I said, that's the trouble that comes with the money,
because immediately right off the bat you mentioned he started
off slowly. He wasn't where you think he'd because immediately
we equate it to money. And he had an amazing June,
(19:03):
was probably one of the best players, and he won
the Player of the Month for June. And then you
can still go, well he started off slow, or well
he's not doing he should be number one, number two,
number three, and the stats because you just simply equated
to the money. So Juan Soto absolutely should have been
an All Star. And I think moving forward, he's gonna
have to keep that in mind. That that's the responsibility.
That's the challenges I should say that comes when you sign,
(19:25):
you know, three quarters of a billion dollar deal, is
that the expectations are crazy and you kind of have
those moments where maybe you shouldn't have talked about missing
your old boo, talking about, you know, missing playing with
the Yankees and Judge and Will is not the same.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I'm not playing with them, but I'm not to cut
you off. Maybe I'm just too big of a football fan.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
I listen what to talk about in the media and
what you do on the diamond.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Those are two different things to me.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
You want to be immy nice to be the number
MVP candidate that I can rock with you Aaron Rodgers,
But like Juan Soto, only seven players in Major League
Baseball history to the All Star Break recorded at least
twenty fo runs, seven walks, fifteen doubles, and ten stolen bases.
Seven players in a history of baseball, and you're telling
me that the guy that's pitched five and made five
(20:09):
starts or made five appearances is what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
But so the first half of that I'll reply with
that's why I go back to the fan perception of
money and what you're doing, especially when you have a
slow start, right, because now you've been covering sports long
enough to know this is one of the worst things
about sports, but it's kind of a fact if you
do something wrong or just this is how you are.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
We kind of perceived that forever for you.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
For instance, Lebron didn't take some shots or missed a
shot kind of early on its clutch.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Then he went want to be very clutch.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
But in our minds, Lebron ain't clutch, right because those
first few times he either missed it or he passed
it up or he didn't shoot it, and we wanted
to do so permanently. In our mind, Lebron ain't clutch,
and it happens all the time. So I think people
want so to aut this money starts off slowly, teams
not winning a b and I think people they're not
doing what we do, coming in for a living, checking
(21:04):
the stats, checking this, We're we're gonna talk about having meetings,
you know, preparing for a show. I think they're like,
I mean, I know he's been better, but he ain't
been that good, And I think that just becomes the
perception he ain't worth all that money.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
You want to talk about perception, I'm sorry, I don't
know if I just saw this back to back plays
in this game, Caitlyn Clark got the ball stolen from
her and then turned over the next possession, shot a
three over a double team, and it just popped. She
is one for twenty nine on three pointers on the
road since she's been back, but she's in three point contest.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I mentioned that when I were Steve said that. I said, dude,
she's shooting twenty nine on this Well, surely he's less
now twenty nine percent of the season twenty six percent
since she's been back from injury. And by the way,
I'm glad you mentioned that because it has nothing to
do with the emailbing Rod Manford. But I will say,
Caitlyn Clark do got to get some of the smoke
because we will sing her praises, which justifiably so when
(21:56):
she's playing well and she's doing amazing things she does.
Because if anybody else was doing this, if Steph Curry
was one for twenty nine, we'd be going crazy.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
And to be honest, Steph Curry could go one for
twenty nine if you wanted to be in the three
point Contest, nobody would blink at the All Star break,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Like, depending on how it happened.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
This is kind of coming up on the All Star
break for the WNBA, so it's kind of going into
the stretch of it. But like if it was if
Steph Curry started the first month of the year one
for twenty nine from three by the All Star break,
if he wanted to, He's in the three point Contest.
That's kind of my point with Juan Soto. It's like,
at a certain point, these guys are the establishment of
(22:36):
what your league is. The WNBA is putting Caitlin Clark
in the three point Contest this year, not because she
is one of the best three point shooters in the
league this year.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
She is putting it in. It is that it is
a bet on.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
The future of what could happen, you know what I'm saying,
of what they believe will happen.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I don't know what Jan Soto has either done or
rod Manford just felt like he needed another pitcher and
that was kind of the direction I'm gonna go, and
I want to, you know again, put miz in and
so they can see something spectacular for a inning, see
somebody do something different. We'll have guys who can hit,
we'll have guys who can field, but we won't have
necessarily guys who are throwing one hundred and three hundred
four miles power.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
So maybe that's what he's mixing it up.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
And that goes back to my original point that he
is in his death row sug night.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I'm doing stuff. Hey, Pete Rose, you just die, all right?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Y'all can vote him in now if you choose to,
whether you want to get him off the band list,
like I mean, is it is. I'm just making these
gangster decisions molding again. Some of it's work sped up,
the game change, the line shift, offenses, going fell into
the Dodgers Yankees, the whole Pete Rose thing. So he
is making some of these decisions right now and this
is being another one, and Wan Soda has to fill
some type of way though. I bet the second half
(23:42):
of the season he's got to go on a tear
because he's got to feel slighted from both the fan
perspective and then obviously Red Manfred Rob Manford, or you
could also just say Kelvin, I'm all right, why them
checks cash either way, which, by the way, that was
another thing he'dn't have to say. Rob and I did
agree when they asked him. By all you feels little,
you know, missing the game, and he was like, man,
you know Almo's money I'm missing out on.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah. I mean again, he didn't do himself any favors.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
But like you gotta know the climate, people are losing
their jobs left and right right now, people struggle busting.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Everything's up.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Sometimes it's just shows Tayy say, yeah, man, I really
wanted to represent the Mets in the city and put
them on my back end. Be an All Star game. Bruh,
seven hundred mil. That one hundred and twenty. If you
were to be on part of the winning team, you'll
be all right.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yep. Funny enough.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
I had a lot of conversations about once so though
over the last five days with people from the Dominican Republic.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, fifty fifty to fifty Really a lot of them
are Yankees fans too.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, but that just goes to show you
there's pictures and posters and murals of fred adel tattos.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Everywhere, right, you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Fifty and again completely anectotal not reporting no, but I
liked it though.
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Speaker 3 (25:00):
Just interesting.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
The conversation that I think Scotti Scheffler he kind of
had and essentially the way it reads to me is
kind of sad almost or at least kind of heart filed.
So I'm as jump into what he was saying. He's
the conversations was by winning. Conversation was about what it
(25:21):
does for you and how you feel and the fulfillment
of winning some of these tournaments.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
It's fulfilling from the sense of accomplishment, but it's not
fulfilling from a sense of like the deepest places of
your heart.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You know, there's a lot of people that make.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
It to what they thought was going to fulfill them
in life, and then you get there, and all of
a sudden you get to number one in the world,
and then they're like, what's the point? I really do
believe that, because you know, what is the point? You're like,
why do I want to win this tournament so bad?
That's something that I wrestle with on a daily basis.
You know, I'm kind of sick of I love putting
in the work, I love being able to practice. I
love getting out to live out my dreams. But at
the end of the day, sometimes I just don't understand
(25:55):
the point. I love the challenge, I love being able
to play this game for a living. It's it's one
of the greatest joys of my life life. But does
it fill the deepest, you know, wants and desires of
my heart?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Absolutely not so A lot of HeSE just touched on
right there.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah, and I got I got two things from that,
and I think it's applicable to you listening to you,
Martin sentting to my left, myself, Robgi, Alex, everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
A couple of things.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Number one, and I mentioned this before when we Rob
and I were having a conversation about people get wrapped
up into their job, right you Rocket Fox Sports Radio,
five years, ten years, twenty years, This is what I do,
this is who I am, and then one day they
fire you, one day, let you go, whatever happens, and
people lose themselves because that became their identity, right And
I think some of what he's mentioning here, and whether
(26:39):
he unintentionally or intentionally meant to say it was to me,
I'm a golfer, But this isn't my identity, right, This
isn't who I am as a person. This isn't the
thing that sustains or fulfills me. I have a family,
he went on to talk about. I have a family,
I love, I have a wife, I have kids, I
have you know, other family members of other hobbies. I
have things that matter to me, and just simply winning
(26:59):
something or losing can't be how I judge my life.
And I think that's something we could all think about
our jobs or the thing we love to do. That
doesn't have to be your entire existence, because one day
that could end.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
One day, if your a football players over for it's
over for the professional athlete. One day it will end.
It will be going to.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
End at a point in your life when everybody else
is still working or just.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Getting going right, just really finding their way. I'm thirty two,
thirty four, I'm just getting good. I'm finding my way,
and you're done. You're like, okay, what do I do next?
And also acceptance. I think a little bit of that
for him is also acknowledging like, man, will they accept
me if I win? Will they validate me win? Will
this be exactly what they want? Did I get enough?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Martin?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Did I win enough? We have enough tournaments? Because nowadays
he wins three? Oh, I wasn't good enough for his talent.
I went five. Yeah, But Tiger did this. Phil did that,
you know what I mean? And I think he realized
I'll always be chasing it if I'm doing it for
just the crowd and the accepts as well. And so
I think another example of this to me the other
side is Naomi Osaka. I think she's kind of struggling
(28:07):
with some things. If you saw her most recently lose
and she said, I can't find anything positive in this.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I feel negative.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
And she said the only thing positive is my daughter's
birthday this weekend, So that's the only thing I can
gleam on. And you know, she's been in and out
of tournaments, taking her time, taking a year off maternity,
or just mental health. And I think we don't talk
about this part of it enough for athletes, the mental
health part of what they do.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
You knew Greg Hart, I believe right from Michigan.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Did Greg Harden, my best friend's pops rest in peace,
just passed away a little less than a year ago.
He was a sports counselor Google for the greats Desmond Howard,
Tom Brady, Michael Phelps, so many, Charles Woodson and so
many will never know because they were a third string cornerback,
or they were a wrestler, or they were a gymnasts
that went to Michigan and you never knew them. But
that was his great thing, is getting them to understand
(28:51):
who they are and how to use sports. But it
ain't who you are solely. It's a part of you.
And last thing I'll say too, you have to fall
in love. I think what we all learn is to
with the process, Like he said, just trying to be
the best golfer, working on the game because the wins
and the losses will get you in the high and
(29:11):
the lows.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
And I tell that to a lot of young people
getting in this business.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
They'll get a great review or a great rating and
up or winning an award. They're on Mount Everest. Someone says,
I didn't like that story. I didn't like the way
you just hosted that, Dey Martin. Now they're in the
deepest valley. You gotta be there for saying you don't
want to do that. You want to ride this thing
out the take the criticism, take the good, the love,
don't go too high, don't go too low, and love
(29:35):
the game in the process of just being the best
version of yourself, not necessarily always solely the wins and losses.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I will say I think that Scotti Scheffler is peaking
from a place of very, very earned privilege.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
It's a little bit easier to.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Say being the number one golfer in the world's not
important when you've been the number one golf in the
world so much as he has. Right, it's like if
and and also I remember back to and again I
air a parachute in on golf. So I wasn't watching
before the Masters, but then I see the Masters.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Oh right, chefer's wife is pregnant. Oh he might not
play him she's gonna have the baby.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Oh well, that's that's certainly a decision, right, Like and know,
I'm not saying was it the past with judgment or anything,
but it's just that's definitely a decision that some other
people may not have made, right, And whether that's I'm
not here to tell you good, bad, or indifferent. I'm
just saying it's a decision that he made. And when
I cause when I hear these quotes I read him.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
At first, my eyebrows went up. I hear him say it.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
It sounds like he's a guy that knows, like, like,
my kid's gonna take this first step soon?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Am I gonna be golfing? Then?
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Like you know what I'm saying, am I gonna be
able to drive my kids to carpool and practice and
all that other stuff like? And I think that when
he talks about it, it's because his child was born
just about a year ago, right, So it's kind of
like the yeah you started speaking, this happening, these moments
that are, oh my god, she's got a FaceTime because
the first tooth pops out or something. And he's earned
(31:03):
over one hundred and thirty million dollars. You know, he's
got he's got enough money to wear, he's not exactly
going hungry. So I think with all of that being said,
you know it is what you know.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I get him
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