July 21, 2025 • 32 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether the WNBA players are justified for wanting a bigger piece of league-generated revenue, take President Donald J. Trump to task for trying to strongarm the Washington Commanders into changing their name back to the Redskins, and explain why they have a problem with Cam Newton going out of his way to denigrate Jalen Hurts.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
The w NBA, rob G, can you let us know
what happened over the weekend the NBA, the w NBA
All Star Game that came out with T shirts on
and you know they claim they're ready to do whatever
is necessary. They're gonna walk out and they want more
money and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Rob G.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
That's right ahead of the w NBA All Star Game.
Rob I know you never missed the BBNBA All.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Star You know I never met was that this weekend?
That was this weekend?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Rob I want you to know the real quick, rob
G is a comedy sympathize.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
We're gonahead Robins, all right, we gotta we gotta make
sure we had stage first before the All Star Game,
all right. Two days before that, forty players met with
the league offices in their latest round of their CBA negotiations.
All right, now, According to multiple reports, the players did
not think that the meeting was very productive. They didn't
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think that it was helpful. They were very upset about
what happened during that meeting. So ahead of the All
Star Game, which is for a lot of them, the
biggest night of the year, players on both sides, including
Kaitlin Clark, wore black shirts during warmups that read pay us.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
What you owe us.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Originally I thought it well filled queens on it, but
how muche last it?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
All right? So this is where it got interesting, right.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You saw the shirts, you know the w W edy
I thought, yeah, no onty lost but money for thirty years?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I know?
Speaker 5 (02:06):
So this is where they get conversation. You get government
cheese at a ball, Go ahead, stop it. Government cheese
was good for real cheese.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
That's it. That's the only time is good.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
No, this is where it gets complicated, right because the
WNBA hasn't made a profit in a general sense of
making profits for the last for all these years, and
it's averaging since it started around ten million dollars deficit
each each year.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's what it's operating on.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
But when you start to dive deeper into it more
so than just the simple math, is where it gets complicated.
I think the average person, especially on x Instagram threads
in each site, isn't doing the deep dive. So WNBA
players are simply saying this, Rob, We are saying most
leagues in the NBA, NHL, NBA, NFL, they're making around
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fifty percent of the revenue that comes in fifty percent.
The WNBA is only making how much you think, thirty, no, twenty, no, ten, no,
nine percent. So they're saying, hey, we're only making nine percent,
our counterparts are making fifty percent of the revenue driven.
And then somebody would say, well what revenue and what's
going on? Well, certain good things have happened in favorable
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for the league, which was gonna be in turn favorable
for the players who are essentially the product. The league
has secured a new lucrative two point two billion dollar
media rights deal to begin in twenty twenty six next year,
which is expected to significantly increase revenue. So if you
don't stand on it now, Rob, you know this from
business standpoint, how am I gonna get it? If I
just go with the flow, all right, give me nine
percent of yet then I'm not gonna get any of
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that two point two billion. But if I say, hey,
we got to negotiate and go up to you know,
two en fifteen, twenty twenty five, whatever however high they
can take it, that's to me what simply, that's just
simple good business man. Also, the attendance is up twenty
six percent. You and I have talked about that, twenty
three percent. Viewership is up. And also merchandise, which is
huge because you get percentage of those sales is up
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forty percent, nearly half, nearly fifty percent. So simply, what
they're doing is saying, hey, if there is money to
be made, which clearly there are, not to mention two
hundred and fifty million dollars they're getting for the new NBA,
the new w NBA teams, the new franchise fees.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
So that goes to ownership. That's split by ownership. That's right.
That the players don't get that right, But all of
this is going into a pot. No no, but that
that doesn't go into a pot. That's what owners get.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's part of why owners they get the the expansion fee,
because you're letting somebody in on your right.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
What I'm saying is, if you're taking this information, you're
saying nobody's investing in, not thinking they're going to potentially
make money. Right, You're not allowing new leagues. A new
franchise has come without the idea of we're going to
make money. And so I think what we're seeing is
simply them saying we want more of what is to come.
What is being had two point two billion in the
media rights deal, forty percent, merchandise is up, twenty six percent,
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attendance is up. We want more, and I think that's fair.
And the thing about a protest is it's not comfortable.
Usually people don't like it. You don't like the timing
of I wish you did it differently, y T shirts,
why not this that, whatever you pick at George Floyd
to Vietnam students against Vietnam War, like, no one's ever
gonna like when you protest, you'reneeling in the NFL. It's
not the time, it's not the place. So generally a
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protest is to make you uncomfortable, to draw conversation, to have,
you know, some type of dialogue about these things, and
that's what they did. So they gotta find a way
continue to grow the league, continue to allow the lead
to become make money and become profitable. But I'm not
mad at somebody trying to say, hey, if more money
is coming in, our counterparts are get more, why can't we.
I think that's you. I would, I mean, I have
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to speak for myself. I would advocate for myself as well.
I totally disagree. And I dare the WNBA players. I
dare you walk out. I dare you to walk out.
Go ahead and walk out.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I double dare you, cause despite Caitlin Clark, despite all
this stuff, they still lost forty.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Million dollars this past year. There was no bonanza.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
She's out her. If you're losing money at our height,
how in the world going forward?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
It ain't going automatically.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You just had the biggest bump and you still lost
forty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I dare the union to walk out. I dare you players,
because it ain't gonna be pretty. You can't collect money
for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
This ain't some new league that started and you understand
it gonna take a little while and make money. They
were subsidized by the NBA. I know firstthand in Detroit.
They didn't want the shock the commissioner. They begged them please.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
I know.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Personally that when they were winning no championships, they couldn't
sell tickets. They could not sell tickets. They'd a full
building because they were giving them away. And all I'm
saying is you got to crawl before you walk. And
I understand wanting more, but are you accounting for the
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thirty years of red ink that under normal circumstances you
would not have had a league these up, these football
leagues that keep starting up, usf ulfl all these things.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Everybody love.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
All I'm over told is everybody loves football, right, why
don't those leagues last? You know? Mean those leagues have
folded because they don't sell They don't sell tickets. The
TV numbers aren't good enough. And you could say whatever
you want. Kaylin Clark when she's not playing, the ratings
went down fifty five percent. Those are facts, not feelings.
(07:42):
When she wasn't gonna announce that she wasn't gonna play
the WNBA, the tickets dropped off the face of the earth.
I'm not saying you're not entitled to money, but it's
based off of what you bring in Devin Booker's making
gonna make seventy five million dollars a year, not because
they like him, not because he's a man. That's the
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revenue that is brought in, right and over time, that
can happen. But come on, man, this is way too premature.
And if I'm running a w NBA or I'm the
NBA that owns the w n b A, I'm not
going for the yokie dope because Caitlyn Clark showed up
and now we're gonna there's still plenty of buildings where
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six thousand people show up talking okay.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And then that's my point. I hear you twisted. Don't
get it twisted. I double dare them to walk out
because you won't have a league.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
There's no guarantir there's no guarantee the league will sustain
another five, ten, twenty years like that. No business, I
don't care the model. They can be a restaurant, it
could be a movie theater, it doesn't matter, is guaranteed
to succeed. That's just business, one on one. No business
is guaranteed to succeed. That's why I brought up the
football all. We only won NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
They've been in an NFL. That's all they won. And
I agree with that.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
But when you go back to the only thing if again,
if you're looking at this, if you're the WNBA, who's
seeing this growth, when you look at the numbers, and
they're also saying, all right, it took sports leagues decades
to get viable as well, because when you look at
the NBA, thirty years, the NBA took them forty years
to make money.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Thirty years. Yes, if you look at it, they took.
NBA lost.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Who owned the WNBA? Was that outside or did the
league subsidize to even make that viable?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
It's what I'm saying. The NBA was its own entity. Right, Wait, right,
but I'm talking about the NBA. I'm saying the NBA
didn't make money. They lost thirteen million dollars in nineteen
eighty that's the year Magic comes in, Berg comes in
and then things take off and they changed.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
That was forty years of the NBA.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
They still lost ten thirteen million dollars, which if you
did the math into twenty twenty five, that'd be forty
eight million dollars. So all I'm saying is it takes
some time.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
It is weink what it's the same you think during
that until never No, no, no, no, no no, I'm
just money. Okay, I'm saying, do you think because I
was watching the NBA and I was going to games,
they didn't have four thousand people, they didn't have five
thousand like the league had a up and down period.
There's no doubt about it. That was a down period
before birded Magic. Yes, but there was some glory times before.
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But they were making like that. No, but they were considering.
Teams were considering how to get out of it, how
to get out of business. How they were tired of
those teams. They weren't making money. So I'm not saying
that the WN be able to ever be the NBA.
But I'm saying businesses, no, businesses take time.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Lost so many business that we now love, we don't
know the history that it took him twenty thirty forty
years to become profitable. That's why people keep investing in
these business Even Amazon, it took him a decade to
have a profitable year. It just takes time, is all
I'm saying. And I understand why the players, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
It took the thirty years.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
They have their Messiah and they still lost four. Now
that's why if you negotiate where you have, you you're massigah.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
But but you lost.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
If you had if you had a plus on a
balance sheet, then maybe I'd say, Okay, I saw, but
I saw the future. No, no, we want now, we
want uh charter flights, now we want this. Now you
start adding all that that. They didn't have that before.
So the losses were minimal, Now they're gigantic forty million.
(11:16):
They got plenty of empty buildings, TV ratings. Let's let's
be realistic. I'm not a this is a supply and
demand market, right. The reason that the Dodgers paid show
oil tany seven hundred million.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Go look at the stern styles, go to the games.
Go look at the number US like two point six. Now,
just the whole thing on the news, right, two point six.
They're heading toward another four million, four million.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Million people are going to Dodger games. That's all I'm saying, Like, like,
you can't deny that the money that's there.
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Speaker 3 (13:00):
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Speaker 1 (13:04):
But I am curious for all the people who always
cry when athletes get involved and say anything in politics,
stick to sports. So now here we have a politician,
you're president, who now wants to get into sports.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
There's so much going on in the world, so many.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Issues going on, and this, I guess bothers him so
much that he's involved in. And rob G, you could
tell us President Trump is threatening the commanders, and I
know especially them because they're trying to get a new
stadium down in DC, so he's threatening in them. I
don't know how he's threatening the guardians at all. They're
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not looking for anything, so I don't know if it's
the same threat that's out there.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
But he did speak about the teams, and robb G,
you give us the details please, that's right.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
In an effort to MIGA, this is a real quote, Mega,
make Indians great again.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
President doctor threw up in my mouth. This was real thing.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
He tweeted out or didn't weet, but on truth Social
he is threatening to hold up the new stadium deal
for the Washington Commanders. Here's what he said on truth
Social quote. I may put a restriction on them that
if they do not change the name back to the
original Washington Redskins and get rid of that ridiculous moniker,
the Washington Commanders, I won't make a deal for them
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to build a stadium in Washington. Now, you might ask,
how could he possibly do this? The president has no
jurisdiction over this kind of thing. Actually, it's kind of murky,
and he might actually be able to do it.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Here's why.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
During the Biden administration, Biden signed a bill a bill
in January that transferred the land from the federal government
to the District of Columbia. The provision was part of
a short term spending bill passed by Congress in December. Now,
even though DC residents elect a mayor, city council commission
blah blah blah run the DA day operations for now,
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at least, Congress still maintains control of this city's budget,
Which means that there is a very small, narrow pathway.
But there is a pathway. If Donald Trump were so
inclined where he could actually block the commander from getting
their new stadium if they don't change their name back
to the Redskins.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
And they're a private business, right Like, the whole idea
is ludicrous. And the idea of turning back the clock
because people did the right thing and change their name.
I'm expecting any day that Trump's going to say, like
we gotta start using colored again, that black people have
to be called colored?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Like like, what is this really? Haven't we moved past this?
Why would this bother you?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
When franchises decided to do the right thing, Okay, no
other to change the name backward, to go backwards?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Where is that where we are at?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It just it's it's it's disgusting to me, the whole
notion that he's so bothered. There's so many other things
going on that this is what bothers him that he
wants to call the Washington football team something that that
some people find offensive. And I don't care if you
go and get you two or three four Native Americans
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to go, well, no, the name back or whatever. They
this is a privately held business. They decided that they
were going to change the name.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
They did all that. The same thing with the Guardians. Okay,
remember there's a difference.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
People weren't having a fit about the Atlanta Braves compared
to what the Guardians used to be called.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Right, there's a difference. So the Braves kept their name, right, ye, Chiefs,
the Chiefs kept their name.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
They were wont like all Native American name right they
all that was the name of a tribe.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
There was only one.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And well remember their logo, chief Wahoo or whatever. It's racist.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
It was racist.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
I mean it was very racist, very cartoonish depiction of
Native and Indigenous people.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
But you see what I'm saying, like the idea that
we need to go backwards.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
And the same people were arguing every time athletes said
something about politics, well, oh, don't say stick to sports.
Now here's a politician getting involved in sports.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Well so why not?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Where are those people and where's the cries of stick
to politics, stick to politics, stay out of sports.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Nobody cares awful.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
You're not gonna get them because it's the same people
that say blue lives matter. Then you storm and state capital,
you store the capitol and kill people, You kill, kill cops,
beat up cops, spin on cops, rough them, up. But
I thought Blue Lives matter just weeks ago, months ago,
a couple of years ago. So it's all relevant until
it's it's until you know it's so as long as
it serves the service for me, as long as it
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serves a purpose for me. So blue Lives matter, Go
beat them up, Stick to sports, Stick to sports. When
we had the same situation the first term in President
Trump where he was jumping in about the kneeling, he
was jumping in about the NBA, Lebron called the NFL
players some of them, calls them exactly, call them sobs
jumped out about Lebron jumped out about Steph Curry. I
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mean politics, and the thing I laugh about most is
politics and sports have gone hand in hand for centuries.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
At this point.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
I mean, it's just a part of it, right. You
get players back in the sixties who were not gonna
go to the Olympics. You get players who stood up
for Vietnam. You had bill leagues were all white, leagues
were all white. Then they get you got Jackie Robinson.
That's political, like you're always going to have it because
some of what happens on the field is determined by
the policies around you, so you can't have woman out
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the other. And you're gonna have people who speak up
about certain things, whether it's women, whether it's men, whether
it's this, whether it's that. But it's black weather, it's Latino,
whether it's Asian, because that's what's going on in society,
and the sports oftentimes duplicate what's happening in society. So
I'm this is always gonna happen. Rob Stick to sports,
Stick to sports within the politicians jump in often by
the way they jump in about sports. They jumped in
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about nil, they jump in about baseball and steroids, they
jump in about and kneeling. They jump in now about
the names trying to resurface. And I think it's a
playing to a contingency, playing to a group of people
who have voted for me. I have to say the
things they like to hear. I have to give them
what they like.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I have to.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Really, somebody's gonna feel good so that they could use
the term. You know, I don't even want to say it,
but to call the Washington football team. Really, there are
people losing sleep saying, oh my god, I can't believe
that they change it to the commanders. I won't rest
until they change it back. Let's go back to that
racist name so I can feel better about myself.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Is that what we ask Because there are some people
who will view that as being too progressive and too woke,
which isn't even the terminology how it's supposed to be used,
but they'll see it as that. And so you turning
it back goes ah, thank you for turning back to
things how they better they were.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That's why I.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Brought up the thing about black people. Is that what
you want to don't call people? Don't call people black.
I'm shocked and robbed. I don't know what the history
is or whatever that Juneteenth hasn't been.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Away when I say this there we joked about it
on Junet. I'm actually shocked. It's just a matter of
time left. Where was less fanfare or an issue about
that because you had a lot of states you didn't
want to honor doctor King for years. Arizona, Arizona didn't
do it. They were the last ones to do it.
Do you know they lost the Super Bowl over that?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yes? You know, like they lost the super Bowl over it.
The NFL said, not only will we take this super Bowl,
will You'll never get a Super Bowl, okay, and then
all of a sudden, guess what it passed the next
year because it was financial.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Financial. That's generally how these things work. That's why I
tell people too. Racial issues in this country are massive,
but check the origin, the genesis of it.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
It usually comes down to economic. It's always economics.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
And now if somebody has to be on the lesser
end of it than it's usually going to be certain
groups of people.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
You know, all right, we're gonna do this and put
it in that community. We gotta do it, all right,
put it in that community.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
But generally it's gonna come down to economics very much
us usually the instance what it is. But yeah, this
is to me, this is oftentimes when you're trying to
play to a contingency and trying to let them hear
what they want to hear, so they continue to vote
a certain way, continue to feel a certain way, because
it shouldn't matter that much.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It shouldn't. What am I missing? What What am I missing?
Rob G? I'm asking you what am I missing? Really?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I thought that was put to bed, Like do really
are people still up and arms? Got their panties in
a bunch? I'm asking you because I think we're on
the same I don't get it. I don't, I don't
is it really an issue. They've already changed the names
of everything in the uniform. We call them the Cleveland Guardians.
I'm over it.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Already, right. It took a couple of years for nobody
stop going this is the low hanging fruit.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And I'll say, because you guysn't want to say it
of our president who is rapidly losing support from people,
because there are very public celebrities, comedians, athletes, whoever, who
were pro Trump getting up to the election and have
now come out and said everything that I wanted him
to do, he has let me down on I didn't
like that.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I want him to show the fting filess not doing.
Now think that that was the tipping point for it.
That was a big one. That was a big tip.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
He said, I'm anti war. Now we're going back to
warlike with situations like this. So he in his mind,
what's something I can do that's going to rally a
group of people that's gonna get them on my side.
Most of the people who are gonna respond to this
kind of conversation don't actually care about the Washington Football.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
That's what I'm saying, and that's the and that's why
I keep saying, it's the overarching theme. If things are
going to progressive, things are going to exactly, this is
just a sign of you, meaning the President, taking things back. Yes,
I support you taking things back, because the the commanders,
the guardians are just the thing.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I don't really care about them.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
As ROBERSI, he said, I just need you to take
things back so I can say we're heading back to
when things were.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Hence, make America gradiot. Previous. Previous is often the thing,
and so what.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
It's done is it's loud provocateurs and people who make
a lot of money dealing in this sort of thing
to go from as recently as whenever Colin Kaepernor was
a ten, ten years ago, years ago, whatever. It stick
to sports. I don't want this on my television. I
want sports. I want to watch football. I don't want
to exactly. I don't need to see end racism in
the end zone, things like that. You know, now, those
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same people are going on their social media account saying
I put up a poll, and my audience is saying
that they want to see redskins backup so the sports
exact exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I've always said this and people look at me and
I'm not being insensitive or anything like the whole thing
about sports.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You already want to see sports. Why do we have
military people?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Okay, right, like they always say, like bringing out people,
why do we have breast cancer awareness?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I'm just saying, if it's just sports, why do we
have these other things. I didn't go there. I went
there to watch football. I'm not interested in all this
other stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Right, this is what I here unless it's something that
bothers you exactly.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
That triggers you. Now, you only wanted to be football.
Hypocrisy of the military you brought up was that they
were being paid. That wasn't not the kindness of the NFL.
They paid, they paid, Hey can we do this moment
where we're gonna put sergeant Johnny do is back our money?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Our money came that that we're gonna honor. And then
they had the teams were getting checks from the federal
checks to.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Do these essential advertisement for the military. And then we
would get Tierry I because you know, it is a
moment that Sergeant such and such is back with his
united with his kids, and it's a beautiful thing and
they're playing on your heartstrings, not knowing they got a
check for that.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
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Speaker 5 (24:52):
There's some news that Cam on his fourth and one podcast. Uh,
he had some things to say about a particular quarterback
who some similar traits in in some instances.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And here's what you have to say. Rob.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Now, I know everybody's gonna get mad at this Cam
hating Jalen Hurts. It's hard for me to grade Jalen
Hurts with the talent that he has around him. Jalen
Hurts is a great quarterback, but if we're talking about
what they bring to the table holistically, it's hard to
judge what Jalen Hurts can do when you're throwing to
a guy like a j Brown, Davonte Smith. We have
tight end skill set, you have a dominant defense, the
(25:24):
best running back in the game. Download Madden and see
how many Stars is on the offensive side.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Once again, Kelvin, here's my issue with why it's impossible
to listen to a lot of these guys listens, I.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Don't get these podcasts.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Band that is your and I'll run for president and
I'm gonna get athletes podcast band go for me.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
The problem is that they can't be they have skin
in the game. He can't give you a fair assessment
Jalen Hurts. He can't because people question him his Super
Bowl when he went right and how poorly he played. Yes,
he has great players around him. Everybody who wins has
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great players.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Stop it.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Why is Jalen Hurts any different? Tell me another team
where everybody was terrible except for one.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Guy and they won.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It doesn't exist. It's even like when they bring up
to Scottie Pippen. Of course he was good, Michael. Nobody
wins by themselves. So all of a sudden, you're saying,
Jalen Hurts, did he tell you that he went to
two Super Bowls he didn't get to and he bawled
out into one that he lost, and then this one
was supposed to be Saquon Barkley's right super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
This is about Saquon Barkley. No, it wasn't. It was
about Jalen Hurts his two super Bowls. Can I give you.
The numbers.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Average three hundred and thirty five yards, seventy three percent completions,
seven touchdowns, two turnovers, with a one oh nine passer rating. Okay,
stop acting like he didn't do his part as quarterback.
He was a Super Bowl MVP for a reason. What
(27:15):
does Saquon have? Rob G forty yards? Fifty yard?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
And he was a big stud the whole year, right,
they said, the chief said, we're going to stop Saquon
and make Jalen Hurts beat us. And guess what, he
beat you. These athletes gotta stop it. They just they
can't be fair and honest.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
And all they do is talk.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
About the writers and the brawl. You guys, you're all jealous.
You guys are jealous. And then the idea, Rob G,
can you play that again?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Alice? Play that again? I just want to do just
in the beginning, this at the beginning, listen to what
he says, just to start it right here.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Now, know everybody's gonna get mad at this, cam hat Jaylor.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Okay, all right there, Huh, if you have to preface it,
you already know that the take is not good. Why
are you prefacing it by saying, oh, I know people
are gonna be mad. Yes, they are mad.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Because the guy with the Super Bowl MVP, he balled out.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
The running game was stopped and they won and kick
Kansas City's butt to win the Super Bowl. Give Jalen
Hurts his credit and stop all this nonsense. These guys
are terrible. Cam is terrible to do this, you know what.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
I think sometimes the worst is when somebody realizes they
had wasted talent, and I think Cam Newton sometimes deals
with that he wasted some of the gods gift and
talent that he had. He didn't get more out of that. Now,
let's just dive a little deeper into the Jalen Hurts thing.
Jalen Hurts is doing exactly what Jalen Hurts is supposed
to do. First of all, he won a bunch in college.
(28:50):
Then he gets to the NFL and all he's pretty
much do is win. He's gotten to a Super Bowl,
he lost one, but he outplayed the number one quarterback
Patrick Mahomes, got to another Super Bowl, outplayed who the
number one quarterback in Patrick Mahomes. Again, all he's known
is being in the postseason. So Jalen Hurts has done
exactly what he is supposed to do. We have a
play that they tried to outlaw in the NFL because
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he runs it, he and his team runs it. Everybody
has a chance to run it, Rob, but for whatever reasons,
he and his team run the best, and now it's
an issue we should try to find a way to
outlaw it. And they didn't agree on it during the
meetings with the owners. However, my point is that's when
you know you're good. You got something they trying to outlaw,
like Shaq being in the paintle. We got to come
up with three seconds in the key or you can't
have his own defense and you can't do this. And
(29:34):
because you're that dominant as something Jalen Hurts has been
exactly what the Philadelphia seventies Philadelphia Eagles need. And what
drives me crazy about this is you just mentioned it.
If I go through some of these teams Rob who
have won, look at the teams John Elway, he had
Terrell Davis in the Hall of Fame. He had a
(29:55):
really good receiver at mccaffre. He had Rod Smith who
was really good receiver, as Shannon Sharp was All of Famer,
and then he had a bunch of.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
And really good guys on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
We're not gonna talk about Patrick mahomes at when Tyreek Hill,
who if he keeps going, is gonna be Hall of famers.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
He got Kelsey was a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
He's he's got guys in the offensive linings at defense,
nobody wins by themselves.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Peyton Manning, which iteration of Peyton Manning? Do you want
to go?
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Do you want the Marvin Harrison and Reggie and Reggie
Wayne with Stokely Run at the middle and Dallas Clark
or you want Edred James in the backfield?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
You want that version level?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You want to look at that defense, for that defense,
for the Broadcup that won a Super Bowl for him.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Unloaded, insane defense. And so my point is you need
if you want to go, Let's say go to another sport.
Magic Johnson walks right into the NBA with who Kareem
That's who you walk into the You're ushered into the
NBA with Cap Kareem Abdul Jabbar. And now you get
to have Worthy a couple of years later they would
draft him. You've got Byron Scott in order to win.
(30:51):
It takes a full franchise front office GMS coaches quarterbacks
in the NFL, rosters, defense and an ident and this
is what we do.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
We do well.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
It's just so you're mad at him for having that,
and then he does what I'd rather you say, Man,
I love what he's doing. I think he's talented. There's
still maybe some those things to be left desired byet.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
If you say I'm fine and then you say this, Shoot,
i'ma be honest.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
I see some similar skill sets and I wish I
had a team that was as good. I wish I
had a front line offensive line that was as good.
I'd be okay with that. I'd be okay with that.
But to act as if he's not doing exactly what
he is supposed to be doing. And another example would
be Terry Bradshaw. Terry Bradshaw did exactly what he's supposed
to do with those Pittsburgh Steeler team, right.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
His numbers weren't great as the greatest the receivers.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
He had Frank Coherrison in the back, and he had
a defense and I'm gonna let him do what they
do and cook and eat. And at the end of
the day, we judge quarterbacks on what wins, and Jalen Hurst,
to his credit, has done that. Nobody's saying he's the
best arm or the best quarterback right now, but he
absolutely does what's expecting to him, which is a win.
And I think Cam knows he left for a lot
(32:00):
of still to be desired, and I think he's upset
with himself about that
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
The w NBA, rob G, can you let us know
what happened over the weekend the NBA, the w NBA
All Star Game that came out with T shirts on
and you know they claim they're ready to do whatever
is necessary. They're gonna walk out and they want more
money and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Rob G.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
That's right ahead of the w NBA All Star Game.
Rob I know you never missed the BBNBA All.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Star You know I never met was that this weekend?
That was this weekend?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Rob I want you to know the real quick, rob
G is a comedy sympathize.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
We're gonahead Robins, all right, we gotta we gotta make
sure we had stage first before the All Star Game,
all right. Two days before that, forty players met with
the league offices in their latest round of their CBA negotiations.
All right, now, According to multiple reports, the players did
not think that the meeting was very productive. They didn't
(01:26):
think that it was helpful. They were very upset about
what happened during that meeting. So ahead of the All
Star Game, which is for a lot of them, the
biggest night of the year, players on both sides, including
Kaitlin Clark, wore black shirts during warmups that read pay us.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
What you owe us.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Originally I thought it well filled queens on it, but
how muche last it?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
All right? So this is where it got interesting, right.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You saw the shirts, you know the w W edy
I thought, yeah, no onty lost but money for thirty years?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I know?
Speaker 5 (02:06):
So this is where they get conversation. You get government
cheese at a ball, Go ahead, stop it. Government cheese
was good for real cheese.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
That's it. That's the only time is good.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
No, this is where it gets complicated, right because the
WNBA hasn't made a profit in a general sense of
making profits for the last for all these years, and
it's averaging since it started around ten million dollars deficit
each each year.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's what it's operating on.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
But when you start to dive deeper into it more
so than just the simple math, is where it gets complicated.
I think the average person, especially on x Instagram threads
in each site, isn't doing the deep dive. So WNBA
players are simply saying this, Rob, We are saying most
leagues in the NBA, NHL, NBA, NFL, they're making around
(02:49):
fifty percent of the revenue that comes in fifty percent.
The WNBA is only making how much you think, thirty, no, twenty, no, ten, no,
nine percent. So they're saying, hey, we're only making nine percent,
our counterparts are making fifty percent of the revenue driven.
And then somebody would say, well what revenue and what's
going on? Well, certain good things have happened in favorable
(03:11):
for the league, which was gonna be in turn favorable
for the players who are essentially the product. The league
has secured a new lucrative two point two billion dollar
media rights deal to begin in twenty twenty six next year,
which is expected to significantly increase revenue. So if you
don't stand on it now, Rob, you know this from
business standpoint, how am I gonna get it? If I
just go with the flow, all right, give me nine
percent of yet then I'm not gonna get any of
(03:32):
that two point two billion. But if I say, hey,
we got to negotiate and go up to you know,
two en fifteen, twenty twenty five, whatever however high they
can take it, that's to me what simply, that's just
simple good business man. Also, the attendance is up twenty
six percent. You and I have talked about that, twenty
three percent. Viewership is up. And also merchandise, which is
huge because you get percentage of those sales is up
(03:52):
forty percent, nearly half, nearly fifty percent. So simply, what
they're doing is saying, hey, if there is money to
be made, which clearly there are, not to mention two
hundred and fifty million dollars they're getting for the new NBA,
the new w NBA teams, the new franchise fees.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
So that goes to ownership. That's split by ownership. That's right.
That the players don't get that right, But all of
this is going into a pot. No no, but that
that doesn't go into a pot. That's what owners get.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's part of why owners they get the the expansion fee,
because you're letting somebody in on your right.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
What I'm saying is, if you're taking this information, you're
saying nobody's investing in, not thinking they're going to potentially
make money. Right, You're not allowing new leagues. A new
franchise has come without the idea of we're going to
make money. And so I think what we're seeing is
simply them saying we want more of what is to come.
What is being had two point two billion in the
media rights deal, forty percent, merchandise is up, twenty six percent,
(04:48):
attendance is up. We want more, and I think that's fair.
And the thing about a protest is it's not comfortable.
Usually people don't like it. You don't like the timing
of I wish you did it differently, y T shirts,
why not this that, whatever you pick at George Floyd
to Vietnam students against Vietnam War, like, no one's ever
gonna like when you protest, you'reneeling in the NFL. It's
not the time, it's not the place. So generally a
(05:10):
protest is to make you uncomfortable, to draw conversation, to have,
you know, some type of dialogue about these things, and
that's what they did. So they gotta find a way
continue to grow the league, continue to allow the lead
to become make money and become profitable. But I'm not
mad at somebody trying to say, hey, if more money
is coming in, our counterparts are get more, why can't we.
I think that's you. I would, I mean, I have
(05:31):
to speak for myself. I would advocate for myself as well.
I totally disagree. And I dare the WNBA players. I
dare you walk out. I dare you to walk out.
Go ahead and walk out.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I double dare you, cause despite Caitlin Clark, despite all
this stuff, they still lost forty.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Million dollars this past year. There was no bonanza.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
She's out her. If you're losing money at our height,
how in the world going forward?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
It ain't going automatically.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You just had the biggest bump and you still lost
forty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I dare the union to walk out. I dare you players,
because it ain't gonna be pretty. You can't collect money
for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
This ain't some new league that started and you understand
it gonna take a little while and make money. They
were subsidized by the NBA. I know firstthand in Detroit.
They didn't want the shock the commissioner. They begged them please.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
I know.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Personally that when they were winning no championships, they couldn't
sell tickets. They could not sell tickets. They'd a full
building because they were giving them away. And all I'm
saying is you got to crawl before you walk. And
I understand wanting more, but are you accounting for the
(07:06):
thirty years of red ink that under normal circumstances you
would not have had a league these up, these football
leagues that keep starting up, usf ulfl all these things.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Everybody love.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
All I'm over told is everybody loves football, right, why
don't those leagues last? You know? Mean those leagues have
folded because they don't sell They don't sell tickets. The
TV numbers aren't good enough. And you could say whatever
you want. Kaylin Clark when she's not playing, the ratings
went down fifty five percent. Those are facts, not feelings.
(07:42):
When she wasn't gonna announce that she wasn't gonna play
the WNBA, the tickets dropped off the face of the earth.
I'm not saying you're not entitled to money, but it's
based off of what you bring in Devin Booker's making
gonna make seventy five million dollars a year, not because
they like him, not because he's a man. That's the
(08:03):
revenue that is brought in, right and over time, that
can happen. But come on, man, this is way too premature.
And if I'm running a w NBA or I'm the
NBA that owns the w n b A, I'm not
going for the yokie dope because Caitlyn Clark showed up
and now we're gonna there's still plenty of buildings where
(08:24):
six thousand people show up talking okay.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And then that's my point. I hear you twisted. Don't
get it twisted. I double dare them to walk out
because you won't have a league.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
There's no guarantir there's no guarantee the league will sustain
another five, ten, twenty years like that. No business, I
don't care the model. They can be a restaurant, it
could be a movie theater, it doesn't matter, is guaranteed
to succeed. That's just business, one on one. No business
is guaranteed to succeed. That's why I brought up the
football all. We only won NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
They've been in an NFL. That's all they won. And
I agree with that.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
But when you go back to the only thing if again,
if you're looking at this, if you're the WNBA, who's
seeing this growth, when you look at the numbers, and
they're also saying, all right, it took sports leagues decades
to get viable as well, because when you look at
the NBA, thirty years, the NBA took them forty years
to make money.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Thirty years. Yes, if you look at it, they took.
NBA lost.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Who owned the WNBA? Was that outside or did the
league subsidize to even make that viable?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
It's what I'm saying. The NBA was its own entity. Right, Wait, right,
but I'm talking about the NBA. I'm saying the NBA
didn't make money. They lost thirteen million dollars in nineteen
eighty that's the year Magic comes in, Berg comes in
and then things take off and they changed.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
That was forty years of the NBA.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
They still lost ten thirteen million dollars, which if you
did the math into twenty twenty five, that'd be forty
eight million dollars. So all I'm saying is it takes
some time.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
It is weink what it's the same you think during
that until never No, no, no, no, no no, I'm
just money. Okay, I'm saying, do you think because I
was watching the NBA and I was going to games,
they didn't have four thousand people, they didn't have five
thousand like the league had a up and down period.
There's no doubt about it. That was a down period
before birded Magic. Yes, but there was some glory times before.
(10:17):
But they were making like that. No, but they were considering.
Teams were considering how to get out of it, how
to get out of business. How they were tired of
those teams. They weren't making money. So I'm not saying
that the WN be able to ever be the NBA.
But I'm saying businesses, no, businesses take time.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Lost so many business that we now love, we don't
know the history that it took him twenty thirty forty
years to become profitable. That's why people keep investing in
these business Even Amazon, it took him a decade to
have a profitable year. It just takes time, is all
I'm saying. And I understand why the players, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
It took the thirty years.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
They have their Messiah and they still lost four. Now
that's why if you negotiate where you have, you you're massigah.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
But but you lost.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
If you had if you had a plus on a
balance sheet, then maybe I'd say, Okay, I saw, but
I saw the future. No, no, we want now, we
want uh charter flights, now we want this. Now you
start adding all that that. They didn't have that before.
So the losses were minimal, Now they're gigantic forty million.
(11:16):
They got plenty of empty buildings, TV ratings. Let's let's
be realistic. I'm not a this is a supply and
demand market, right. The reason that the Dodgers paid show
oil tany seven hundred million.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Go look at the stern styles, go to the games.
Go look at the number US like two point six. Now,
just the whole thing on the news, right, two point six.
They're heading toward another four million, four million.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Million people are going to Dodger games. That's all I'm saying, Like, like,
you can't deny that the money that's there.
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Speaker 3 (13:00):
That's not a political show. Okay, this is a sports show.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
But I am curious for all the people who always
cry when athletes get involved and say anything in politics,
stick to sports. So now here we have a politician,
you're president, who now wants to get into sports.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
There's so much going on in the world, so many.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Issues going on, and this, I guess bothers him so
much that he's involved in. And rob G, you could
tell us President Trump is threatening the commanders, and I
know especially them because they're trying to get a new
stadium down in DC, so he's threatening in them. I
don't know how he's threatening the guardians at all. They're
(13:41):
not looking for anything, so I don't know if it's
the same threat that's out there.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
But he did speak about the teams, and robb G,
you give us the details please, that's right.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
In an effort to MIGA, this is a real quote, Mega,
make Indians great again.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
President doctor threw up in my mouth. This was real thing.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
He tweeted out or didn't weet, but on truth Social
he is threatening to hold up the new stadium deal
for the Washington Commanders. Here's what he said on truth
Social quote. I may put a restriction on them that
if they do not change the name back to the
original Washington Redskins and get rid of that ridiculous moniker,
the Washington Commanders, I won't make a deal for them
(14:21):
to build a stadium in Washington. Now, you might ask,
how could he possibly do this? The president has no
jurisdiction over this kind of thing. Actually, it's kind of murky,
and he might actually be able to do it.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Here's why.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
During the Biden administration, Biden signed a bill a bill
in January that transferred the land from the federal government
to the District of Columbia. The provision was part of
a short term spending bill passed by Congress in December. Now,
even though DC residents elect a mayor, city council commission
blah blah blah run the DA day operations for now,
(14:54):
at least, Congress still maintains control of this city's budget,
Which means that there is a very small, narrow pathway.
But there is a pathway. If Donald Trump were so
inclined where he could actually block the commander from getting
their new stadium if they don't change their name back
to the Redskins.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
And they're a private business, right Like, the whole idea
is ludicrous. And the idea of turning back the clock
because people did the right thing and change their name.
I'm expecting any day that Trump's going to say, like
we gotta start using colored again, that black people have
to be called colored?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Like like, what is this really? Haven't we moved past this?
Why would this bother you?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
When franchises decided to do the right thing, Okay, no
other to change the name backward, to go backwards?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Where is that where we are at?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It just it's it's it's disgusting to me, the whole
notion that he's so bothered. There's so many other things
going on that this is what bothers him that he
wants to call the Washington football team something that that
some people find offensive. And I don't care if you
go and get you two or three four Native Americans
(16:12):
to go, well, no, the name back or whatever. They
this is a privately held business. They decided that they
were going to change the name.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
They did all that. The same thing with the Guardians. Okay,
remember there's a difference.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
People weren't having a fit about the Atlanta Braves compared
to what the Guardians used to be called.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Right, there's a difference. So the Braves kept their name, right, ye, Chiefs,
the Chiefs kept their name.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
They were wont like all Native American name right they
all that was the name of a tribe.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
There was only one.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And well remember their logo, chief Wahoo or whatever. It's racist.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
It was racist.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
I mean it was very racist, very cartoonish depiction of
Native and Indigenous people.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
But you see what I'm saying, like the idea that
we need to go backwards.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
And the same people were arguing every time athletes said
something about politics, well, oh, don't say stick to sports.
Now here's a politician getting involved in sports.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Well so why not?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Where are those people and where's the cries of stick
to politics, stick to politics, stay out of sports.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Nobody cares awful.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
You're not gonna get them because it's the same people
that say blue lives matter. Then you storm and state capital,
you store the capitol and kill people, You kill, kill cops,
beat up cops, spin on cops, rough them, up. But
I thought Blue Lives matter just weeks ago, months ago,
a couple of years ago. So it's all relevant until
it's it's until you know it's so as long as
it serves the service for me, as long as it
(17:45):
serves a purpose for me. So blue Lives matter, Go
beat them up, Stick to sports, Stick to sports. When
we had the same situation the first term in President
Trump where he was jumping in about the kneeling, he
was jumping in about the NBA, Lebron called the NFL
players some of them, calls them exactly, call them sobs
jumped out about Lebron jumped out about Steph Curry. I
(18:07):
mean politics, and the thing I laugh about most is
politics and sports have gone hand in hand for centuries.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
At this point.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
I mean, it's just a part of it, right. You
get players back in the sixties who were not gonna
go to the Olympics. You get players who stood up
for Vietnam. You had bill leagues were all white, leagues
were all white. Then they get you got Jackie Robinson.
That's political, like you're always going to have it because
some of what happens on the field is determined by
the policies around you, so you can't have woman out
(18:34):
the other. And you're gonna have people who speak up
about certain things, whether it's women, whether it's men, whether
it's this, whether it's that. But it's black weather, it's Latino,
whether it's Asian, because that's what's going on in society,
and the sports oftentimes duplicate what's happening in society. So
I'm this is always gonna happen. Rob Stick to sports,
Stick to sports within the politicians jump in often by
the way they jump in about sports. They jumped in
(18:55):
about nil, they jump in about baseball and steroids, they
jump in about and kneeling. They jump in now about
the names trying to resurface. And I think it's a
playing to a contingency, playing to a group of people
who have voted for me. I have to say the
things they like to hear. I have to give them
what they like.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I have to.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Really, somebody's gonna feel good so that they could use
the term. You know, I don't even want to say it,
but to call the Washington football team. Really, there are
people losing sleep saying, oh my god, I can't believe
that they change it to the commanders. I won't rest
until they change it back. Let's go back to that
racist name so I can feel better about myself.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Is that what we ask Because there are some people
who will view that as being too progressive and too woke,
which isn't even the terminology how it's supposed to be used,
but they'll see it as that. And so you turning
it back goes ah, thank you for turning back to
things how they better they were.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That's why I.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Brought up the thing about black people. Is that what
you want to don't call people? Don't call people black.
I'm shocked and robbed. I don't know what the history
is or whatever that Juneteenth hasn't been.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Away when I say this there we joked about it
on Junet. I'm actually shocked. It's just a matter of
time left. Where was less fanfare or an issue about
that because you had a lot of states you didn't
want to honor doctor King for years. Arizona, Arizona didn't
do it. They were the last ones to do it.
Do you know they lost the Super Bowl over that?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yes? You know, like they lost the super Bowl over it.
The NFL said, not only will we take this super Bowl,
will You'll never get a Super Bowl, okay, and then
all of a sudden, guess what it passed the next
year because it was financial.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Financial. That's generally how these things work. That's why I
tell people too. Racial issues in this country are massive,
but check the origin, the genesis of it.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
It usually comes down to economic. It's always economics.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
And now if somebody has to be on the lesser
end of it than it's usually going to be certain
groups of people.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
You know, all right, we're gonna do this and put
it in that community. We gotta do it, all right,
put it in that community.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
But generally it's gonna come down to economics very much
us usually the instance what it is. But yeah, this
is to me, this is oftentimes when you're trying to
play to a contingency and trying to let them hear
what they want to hear, so they continue to vote
a certain way, continue to feel a certain way, because
it shouldn't matter that much.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It shouldn't. What am I missing? What What am I missing?
Rob G? I'm asking you what am I missing? Really?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I thought that was put to bed, Like do really
are people still up and arms? Got their panties in
a bunch? I'm asking you because I think we're on
the same I don't get it. I don't, I don't
is it really an issue. They've already changed the names
of everything in the uniform. We call them the Cleveland Guardians.
I'm over it.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Already, right. It took a couple of years for nobody
stop going this is the low hanging fruit.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And I'll say, because you guysn't want to say it
of our president who is rapidly losing support from people,
because there are very public celebrities, comedians, athletes, whoever, who
were pro Trump getting up to the election and have
now come out and said everything that I wanted him
to do, he has let me down on I didn't
like that.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I want him to show the fting filess not doing.
Now think that that was the tipping point for it.
That was a big one. That was a big tip.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
He said, I'm anti war. Now we're going back to
warlike with situations like this. So he in his mind,
what's something I can do that's going to rally a
group of people that's gonna get them on my side.
Most of the people who are gonna respond to this
kind of conversation don't actually care about the Washington Football.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
That's what I'm saying, and that's the and that's why
I keep saying, it's the overarching theme. If things are
going to progressive, things are going to exactly, this is
just a sign of you, meaning the President, taking things back. Yes,
I support you taking things back, because the the commanders,
the guardians are just the thing.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I don't really care about them.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
As ROBERSI, he said, I just need you to take
things back so I can say we're heading back to
when things were.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Hence, make America gradiot. Previous. Previous is often the thing,
and so what.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
It's done is it's loud provocateurs and people who make
a lot of money dealing in this sort of thing
to go from as recently as whenever Colin Kaepernor was
a ten, ten years ago, years ago, whatever. It stick
to sports. I don't want this on my television. I
want sports. I want to watch football. I don't want
to exactly. I don't need to see end racism in
the end zone, things like that. You know, now, those
(23:21):
same people are going on their social media account saying
I put up a poll, and my audience is saying
that they want to see redskins backup so the sports
exact exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I've always said this and people look at me and
I'm not being insensitive or anything like the whole thing
about sports.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You already want to see sports. Why do we have
military people?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Okay, right, like they always say, like bringing out people,
why do we have breast cancer awareness?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I'm just saying, if it's just sports, why do we
have these other things. I didn't go there. I went
there to watch football. I'm not interested in all this
other stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Right, this is what I here unless it's something that
bothers you exactly.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
That triggers you. Now, you only wanted to be football.
Hypocrisy of the military you brought up was that they
were being paid. That wasn't not the kindness of the NFL.
They paid, they paid, Hey can we do this moment
where we're gonna put sergeant Johnny do is back our money?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Our money came that that we're gonna honor. And then
they had the teams were getting checks from the federal
checks to.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Do these essential advertisement for the military. And then we
would get Tierry I because you know, it is a
moment that Sergeant such and such is back with his
united with his kids, and it's a beautiful thing and
they're playing on your heartstrings, not knowing they got a
check for that.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
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Speaker 5 (24:52):
There's some news that Cam on his fourth and one podcast. Uh,
he had some things to say about a particular quarterback
who some similar traits in in some instances.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And here's what you have to say. Rob.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Now, I know everybody's gonna get mad at this Cam
hating Jalen Hurts. It's hard for me to grade Jalen
Hurts with the talent that he has around him. Jalen
Hurts is a great quarterback, but if we're talking about
what they bring to the table holistically, it's hard to
judge what Jalen Hurts can do when you're throwing to
a guy like a j Brown, Davonte Smith. We have
tight end skill set, you have a dominant defense, the
(25:24):
best running back in the game. Download Madden and see
how many Stars is on the offensive side.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Once again, Kelvin, here's my issue with why it's impossible
to listen to a lot of these guys listens, I.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Don't get these podcasts.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Band that is your and I'll run for president and
I'm gonna get athletes podcast band go for me.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
The problem is that they can't be they have skin
in the game. He can't give you a fair assessment
Jalen Hurts. He can't because people question him his Super
Bowl when he went right and how poorly he played. Yes,
he has great players around him. Everybody who wins has
(26:12):
great players.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Stop it.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Why is Jalen Hurts any different? Tell me another team
where everybody was terrible except for one.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Guy and they won.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It doesn't exist. It's even like when they bring up
to Scottie Pippen. Of course he was good, Michael. Nobody
wins by themselves. So all of a sudden, you're saying,
Jalen Hurts, did he tell you that he went to
two Super Bowls he didn't get to and he bawled
out into one that he lost, and then this one
was supposed to be Saquon Barkley's right super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
This is about Saquon Barkley. No, it wasn't. It was
about Jalen Hurts his two super Bowls. Can I give you.
The numbers.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Average three hundred and thirty five yards, seventy three percent completions,
seven touchdowns, two turnovers, with a one oh nine passer rating. Okay,
stop acting like he didn't do his part as quarterback.
He was a Super Bowl MVP for a reason. What
(27:15):
does Saquon have? Rob G forty yards? Fifty yard?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
And he was a big stud the whole year, right,
they said, the chief said, we're going to stop Saquon
and make Jalen Hurts beat us. And guess what, he
beat you. These athletes gotta stop it. They just they
can't be fair and honest.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
And all they do is talk.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
About the writers and the brawl. You guys, you're all jealous.
You guys are jealous. And then the idea, Rob G,
can you play that again?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Alice? Play that again? I just want to do just
in the beginning, this at the beginning, listen to what
he says, just to start it right here.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Now, know everybody's gonna get mad at this, cam hat Jaylor.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Okay, all right there, Huh, if you have to preface it,
you already know that the take is not good. Why
are you prefacing it by saying, oh, I know people
are gonna be mad. Yes, they are mad.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Because the guy with the Super Bowl MVP, he balled out.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
The running game was stopped and they won and kick
Kansas City's butt to win the Super Bowl. Give Jalen
Hurts his credit and stop all this nonsense. These guys
are terrible. Cam is terrible to do this, you know what.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
I think sometimes the worst is when somebody realizes they
had wasted talent, and I think Cam Newton sometimes deals
with that he wasted some of the gods gift and
talent that he had. He didn't get more out of that. Now,
let's just dive a little deeper into the Jalen Hurts thing.
Jalen Hurts is doing exactly what Jalen Hurts is supposed
to do. First of all, he won a bunch in college.
(28:50):
Then he gets to the NFL and all he's pretty
much do is win. He's gotten to a Super Bowl,
he lost one, but he outplayed the number one quarterback
Patrick Mahomes, got to another Super Bowl, outplayed who the
number one quarterback in Patrick Mahomes. Again, all he's known
is being in the postseason. So Jalen Hurts has done
exactly what he is supposed to do. We have a
play that they tried to outlaw in the NFL because
(29:12):
he runs it, he and his team runs it. Everybody
has a chance to run it, Rob, but for whatever reasons,
he and his team run the best, and now it's
an issue we should try to find a way to
outlaw it. And they didn't agree on it during the
meetings with the owners. However, my point is that's when
you know you're good. You got something they trying to outlaw,
like Shaq being in the paintle. We got to come
up with three seconds in the key or you can't
have his own defense and you can't do this. And
(29:34):
because you're that dominant as something Jalen Hurts has been
exactly what the Philadelphia seventies Philadelphia Eagles need. And what
drives me crazy about this is you just mentioned it.
If I go through some of these teams Rob who
have won, look at the teams John Elway, he had
Terrell Davis in the Hall of Fame. He had a
(29:55):
really good receiver at mccaffre. He had Rod Smith who
was really good receiver, as Shannon Sharp was All of Famer,
and then he had a bunch of.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
And really good guys on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
We're not gonna talk about Patrick mahomes at when Tyreek Hill,
who if he keeps going, is gonna be Hall of famers.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
He got Kelsey was a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
He's he's got guys in the offensive linings at defense,
nobody wins by themselves.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Peyton Manning, which iteration of Peyton Manning? Do you want
to go?
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Do you want the Marvin Harrison and Reggie and Reggie
Wayne with Stokely Run at the middle and Dallas Clark
or you want Edred James in the backfield?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
You want that version level?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You want to look at that defense, for that defense,
for the Broadcup that won a Super Bowl for him.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Unloaded, insane defense. And so my point is you need
if you want to go, Let's say go to another sport.
Magic Johnson walks right into the NBA with who Kareem
That's who you walk into the You're ushered into the
NBA with Cap Kareem Abdul Jabbar. And now you get
to have Worthy a couple of years later they would
draft him. You've got Byron Scott in order to win.
(30:51):
It takes a full franchise front office GMS coaches quarterbacks
in the NFL, rosters, defense and an ident and this
is what we do.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
We do well.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
It's just so you're mad at him for having that,
and then he does what I'd rather you say, Man,
I love what he's doing. I think he's talented. There's
still maybe some those things to be left desired byet.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
If you say I'm fine and then you say this, Shoot,
i'ma be honest.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
I see some similar skill sets and I wish I
had a team that was as good. I wish I
had a front line offensive line that was as good.
I'd be okay with that. I'd be okay with that.
But to act as if he's not doing exactly what
he is supposed to be doing. And another example would
be Terry Bradshaw. Terry Bradshaw did exactly what he's supposed
to do with those Pittsburgh Steeler team, right.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
His numbers weren't great as the greatest the receivers.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
He had Frank Coherrison in the back, and he had
a defense and I'm gonna let him do what they
do and cook and eat. And at the end of
the day, we judge quarterbacks on what wins, and Jalen Hurst,
to his credit, has done that. Nobody's saying he's the
best arm or the best quarterback right now, but he
absolutely does what's expecting to him, which is a win.
And I think Cam knows he left for a lot
(32:00):
of still to be desired, and I think he's upset
with himself about that
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