July 22, 2025 • 33 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us if Caitlin Clark should secede from the WNBA Players Association given that she is clearly the biggest draw in the sport, discuss whether it's fair to say that Jordan Love was never really that good, and debate if it's fair to say that Shedeur Sanders just isn't that good given that he's still a distant fourth on the Cleveland Browns depth chart.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Rob g We got some very depressing numbers from the
w NBA and the All Star and you know, yesterday
we had a big conversation about them wanting more money
and all that stuff, but we got further proof of
what moves the needle in the WNBA. And trust me,
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it ain't ninety nine point eight percent of the league.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Something tells me Rob Parker's not buying the spin job
coming out of the w Because if you're on social
media earlier on Tuesday, a very interesting graphic put.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Up on ESPN and the WNBA social media accounts.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Showing that the WNBA television ratings for the All Star
Game over the weekend, we're up one hundred and fifty
eight percent. You're like, man, that's a ginormous number. That's incredible,
and then small parenthes underneath it. They put from the
twenty twenty three season. No, that's crazy, You're like, well,
why would they do that because we're now in twenty
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twenty five.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
What happened in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Oh yeah, twenty twenty four was when Caitlin Clark joined
exactly WNBA All Star Game, and if you consider what
happened last year with the television ratings, this year's All
Star Game down thirty six percent year over year. The
difference was Clark played last year, did not play this year?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Bob, do you give me more? We could go on on.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
This just continues a trend, rather troubling trend if you're
the WNBA that we've seen now play out for years.
The twenty twenty five NCAA Championship Game for women, you recall,
had the largest ratings ever when Kaitlyn Clark was in it.
The year after, so that was this year down fifty
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four percent?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Ought a shocker? Oh wow, okay, I thought people like
women's basketball.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I thought that was.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Twenty twenty five WNBA Draft down forty nine percent from
last year when Kaitlyn Clark was in it. The All
Star Game we just mentioned, down thirty six percent from
last year when Kaitlyn Clark was in it. And here's
the worst one of all the twenty twenty five WNBA
television rating.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Ah you listening, Kelvin is for you? Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
While Kaitlyn Clark was out injured. She's been injured a
lot throughout the season, down fifty percent during the time
that she was out hurt. The Kaitlyn Clark effect is real.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
There's no doubt about it. And Kelvin, I'm just gonna
say this. I'm not going to mince words or whatever.
They want fifty percent of the revenue and all that.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
That's what the well, that's right.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
They want they want. They want that like the NBA.
They want fifty percent of whatever is bringing brought in
and that's there. They're only getting nine percent, but they
want fifty percent. And I say, no way, no how
for the majority of the women in the WNBA. But
if you ask me about Caitlin Clark, she deserves fifty
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percent of the revenue coming in and they deserve to
continue nine percent because when she's not involved, it's business
as usual, which is what we had for the previous
thirty years of the WNBA, which is not that good.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
She is the one NUKA guys can deny.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It all you want, say it's not fair this and
that she moves the needle.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
There's no the numbers are there. Yeah, I don't know
who can. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
People act like, oh well, it's not hurt really. And
here's the other thing. The other night All Star Game
to one of those black T shirts, Kaitlyn Clark's T
shirt should have said pay me what you owe.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Me in capitol letters.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
M e you what about me, bounds, This is about
me being paid. Kaitlyn Clark deserves to be paid. I'm
gonna take it a step further. She should opt out
of the WNBA uh union deal where all players, you know,
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split the merchandise and all this. She should opt out
because I'm gonna give you a couple of names of
players who opted out.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Michael Jordan opted out of the NBA.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
He not taking the same cut as the fourth, the
twelfth man on the on an NBA roster, Okay, exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
He not taking that.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Barry Bonds opted out of Baseball's He's not taking that
for what the twenty fifth man on a baseball roster
then was getting. Everybody gets the same amount of money.
They both opted out. She should opt out of anything
involving the other players and even her contract.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I don't want it that garbage.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
If you want me to play, you give me a
personal service contract to the owner. You know what I mean.
I work for him or her, whoever owns a what
is the name of that team, the Indiana I fever. Yeah,
I work for the owner as a personal service deal,
not a part of any union structure, so that she
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can make the peanuts that they're giving her. She is
by far the reason we're even having a conversation about
the WNBA, about anything involving money and ratings and ticket sales.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
It's her.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Go out and get a T shirt, Kaitlin Clark's T shirt.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Pay me what you owe me. They owe her. The
rest of the women in the WNBA not so much.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
She clearly is the sun in everything orbits around her,
without a doubt. She is the gravity that pulls everybody in,
that pulls the viewership, that pulls the sponsorships to pull
the chartered planes, all that good stuff and so everything.
I'm with you. She clearly her worth. We all know
what it is. WNBA has skyrocketed since her ascension. The
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college college women's college basketball tournament. It rows because of her,
without a doubt. The only thing where I will throw
a caveat into this is rob money isn't everything to everybody,
especially when you're still making good money. And what I
mean by that is I think she realizes she has
a chance to help be a part of something. She's
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been very vocal about how she wants to be a
part of the movement to get women to be paid more.
She wants to be a part of the movie to
get what they believe they deserve. She wants to be
a part of the elevation of the game, both from
a notoriety standpoint, from a critically acclaim standpoint, from a
viewership standpoint, and a financial standpoint. And she very much
wants to be a part of that. And I think
that's why, as big as she is, she often opts
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to kind of be a part of the team. She
opts to I'll just be there and do what we're
all doing, and I'll make sure or in this case,
I won't be seen for a reason so that I
don't blow up the spot. To me, she strikes me
as somebody who wants to her legacy to be. I
was a great player, but also look what I did
for the game. And that's why I think she's not
gonna put herself on an island or it's all about me,
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take care of me, look at me, because no nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Jordan and Barry Bonds did it for a reason, because
because it's not fair.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
It's not that the equity is not' I'm not Jordan.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
And Barry Bonds were not got Hastings are not the
same guy in him and they should not.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I'm not arguing that, but I'm saying her too.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But that's separating yourself from from membership, is what it is.
And I can't be mad at somebody who moves the
needle that much.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And I would argue mighty.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I mean for the relative respect of sports, she's equal
to Jordan in that regard, maybe even bigger in that
regard of what she brings versus the single you know,
compared to him, the singular person. But again, I think
she's standing for something bigger. I think she looks and
you know, you look at a billy Jane King. I'm
trying to do more for women's tennis. I'm trying to
get him paid more I'm trying to get title nine.
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I'm trying to do all of this, and I think
that's to me equally. What her mission is not just
to be great, not just to watch my bank account grow,
but I want part of my legacy to be Look
what I also helped build.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Look at the legacy I left behind her. She can't
do it.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
She can't do it with the rest of the women
and the league because the numbers aren't going to allow
you to do that, and her showing.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Her worth, her worth, she ain't. You got to show it.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
At this point it is clear it is there's no
more number indicator that.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Numbers doing that by by by saying no, you're not
going to short change me, no under and he circumstances
as a woman especially, I'm not gonna take what everybody
else is taking when obviously my numbers dictate something else.
Michael Jordan did it, Barry Bonds did it, and she
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should do.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Here's the difference or why, I think the issue why
they're not quite apples apples. She's just now entering the league,
whereas Jordan and Bonds were able to do that because
they became established, you know, they became those guys where
you could literally I can't even hate on that. I
think for her, she's feeling like, I'm new to this.
I want to grow. I want to, you know, kind
of build a camaraderie. I don't want to come in
and ruffle feathers, separating myself, whereas Jordan took years because
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he came in the league. Yeah, you're good, but it's
about Magic, It's about burd, It's about doctor Jay's about
Isaiah Thomas, about a bunch of other guys kareem as well,
and I think eventually his ascension, Jordan could separate and
stuff and you couldn't be mad at that. She doesn't
want to walk in and be that, but I completely
get it why you would do that, because again she
nothing else has been this obvious in sports in quite
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some time except Tiger Woods, in the separation with Tiger
Woods where you saw him and then the next golfer
and the only thing to w NBA. They have to
figure it out where they have to have other stars
continue to grow along with her. And if she can
pull the ship, she can be dragging the ship. We
are all right with that, but other people have to
rise as well. Because I told Rob g this rob
last point, what if she ends up becoming and you
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know how this works in sports. What if the novelty
robs rubs off. What if the novelty goes away and
you know that happens. What if in a year or two,
everything we love her for becomes what we don't like
her for. All she does shoot threes here she goes
again getting into it with people. Yeah, but she never
wins anything, and meaning she comes down a little bit
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and she's just a good player.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
How it works.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Strike when no, no, no, I'm not talking about that.
What I'm saying you sound like Jerry Jones talking about
getting hit by a car.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
No, no, no, no, this isn't no, this isn't your This
is not about her. I'm talking about I'm saying, this
is why the league has to continue to go the game,
because there's gonna be a copumba point where she levels
down and you don't want it to be.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Well, you missed out. So I know.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I'm saying, strike when hot and grow while she's hot.
Grow the game while she's hot, because eventually she may
just become a really good player, but not one of
the best, as she isn't right now. The best, and
you don't want it to be with the novelty fades away,
is what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1 (12:32):
Packers quarterback Jordan Love it was the play the NFL's
top one hundred plays, and my goodness, grace, he take
a drop.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
You know what's funny is that Rob does not care,
does not respect players, polls and opinions unless unless it works.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
It works in his narrative that he's like, Rob, g
let's do this one, and you know how to pull
the cart back. Hey, hey, Rob, you.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Know what else he loves to I shocked he didn't
tell let me do it.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Hey, Alex, can you get the Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Drop because I thought you would do this for Jordan
Love him dropping in the rankings like that.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yes, we need let me throw you to all like that.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Let me be Chris Paul coming back to the Clippers
for you throw this ally you I thought you had
that ready, Alex, can you.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Get to the.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
That's right, It's better than to get Kawhi ready because
this joke is going to be really good.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
What I never ax?
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Alex knows he's shooting like Dawhite. Howe for the Frew
about thirty five?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Good?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Tell them the truth? When I when I, when I
C Alex or whatever? You go? Oh God, here we go.
I know it was gonna be a bad joke. We
got yes, but here we go.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So in twenty twenty four, Jordan Love had that breakout
end of the season and he debuted on the NFL
one hundred at number thirty four, which was big for
him considering again it was his first year as a
starter and to be that high in the list right
out of the gate was a big deal. Well, after
the twenty twenty four season, which was of course, injury
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riddled to start off with generally uneven from him and
the Packers as a whole, he fell all the way
to number sixty eight in this year's NFL one hundred,
a big fall from grace for the Packers quarterback.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
And you know what, it is totally warranted because.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I think he got paid off of that Packers playoff
game against Cowboys, right, and then we realized what happened.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Calvin was the back. The Cowboys defense was terrible.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Everybody was lighting them up right for the next floor
five games right the following year.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
So it wasn't just like he came in and destroyed him.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
But at that time, you were like a playoff game
in Dallas, and he put up a forty piece or
whatever it was, right right, But last year thirty three
hundred yards, twenty five touch downs, eleven interceptions, four fumbles,
sixty three percent quarter completion ratio.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
So it just wasn't good. And here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
He's he's prone to throw at least two picks, so
to have two turnovers a game, like two picks a
game at one stretch, he really has struggled. And this
is the thing I'm gonna say about Jordan Love. I
always questioned how good he was, and I know he
got the deal. He's gonna be their quarterback and they
hope to have three quarterbacks for forty years right between
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Brett Favv, Aaron Rodgers and now Jordan Love.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
And I get it as an organization. That's the best thing,
so that it's a great accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
It really is to be able to have that, because
you know, you look at Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And the Brown quarterbacks, but there's a lot of teams.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
The Jets have had a million quarterbacks early two thousand
lions exactly. But here's the thing, and this is when
I questioned it and Rob G. This is not a
second guest. I say this because Rob G knows this.
When they had a chance to trade Aaron Rodgers to Denver,
do you remember that, coming off off of MVP and
they were gonna get a quarterback, they moved up to
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get Jordan Love.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Like all the signs were there, like they had him.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
For they had already had him. I'm sorry, they had
him for like three years or whatever. So we were
sitting there, so they had an idea of who he was.
They watched him in practice all the stuff, and that's
why when they moved off of Brett Farb they had
Aaron Rodgers. Remember he didn't play for three years, but
they knew what they had something they didn't even the
last time when he was like I don't know if
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I'm a player or not. They were like no, no, we're
gonna make it. We'll make the decision for you. You're
not playing with us next year? How's that? Which they
could have done with Aaron Rodgers gotten a Hall coming
off of an MVP. But when they didn't make that trade,
I questioned how good he really is because that was
the most opportune time to have your quarterback and you
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get a hole for your aging quarterback at that point,
do you know what I mean? And so that always
I always questioned it. But then you had the big
playoff game, so I was like, well, maybe I'm wrong,
maybe I'm not watching them every day, but that was
pretty damn impressive. You got to give the guy credit,
but the numbers just haven't been good and a lot
of turnovers.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I don't think you have to be wrong.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I think you can be right in this insense of
this is bigger than to me, the larger conversation of
is he good or not. I think Jordan Love is
going to be good. I think he'll have a couple
of Pro Bowls throughout his career. He'll be a nemesis
for the Lions and the Bears and the Vikings for
some years. I think he'll be fine. Here's my bigger
conversation with this, the idea that we keep crowning people
after a year. In his case, really after eight games
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he goes crazy. Eighteen the last eight games of that season,
he gets eighteen touchdowns, one interceptions, goes into that postseason,
destroys the Cowboys, and we're like, look at Patrick Montana,
like we're ready to call him everything.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Look at you know, Tom Manning.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
We were just calling him the combination of all these
great And that's to me, the bigger conversation is, we
keep ready to crown somebody, right, It's okay to let
somebody grow, It's okay to let some things play out
a little bit before we all of a sudden want
to start proclaiming things. And all of a sudden, Jordan
Love is gonna be the this, Jordan Love's gonna be
to that. And now there is some times there's gonna
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be regression. Might I throw a couple names at you.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
CJ.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Stroud looked amazing year one. We like, oh shoot, CJ.
Strout's doing to the ones.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
CJ.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Strout looks like he's gonna be a good quarterback for
years to come. But he took some regression last year,
the offensive line wasn't great, they were missing some players,
there were some injuries, but overall, he would admit he
took a step Backchic mechanics looked off a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
It happens.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Do you remember a guy who is now the MVP,
Josh Allen didn't look amazing year two turnovers like crazy,
and everybody started to question.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
But for every guy you mentioned, I can mention guys
too who got worse and never recovered, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
So I'm gonna get your point on it.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I'm not questioning saying like it's not automatic that because
these other guys bounce back.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I'm saying he may be bad. My point, I think
he's gonna be good.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
But what I'm saying is it's okay to just say, oh,
Jordan Love looked really good that year. Let's see what
we got we you know, I mean you and I,
but we the meaning we Joe, Oh, he's gotta be this.
He's gonna be the greatest. And another current example will
be jayde and Daniels. I expect Jane Daniels to be good,
but they already got him the fifth best quarterback. And again,
what happens in the NFL catch teams by surprise, we
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know captain film on you. You know, things start, okay,
now we're gonna lock you up. Now we've seen it.
Now we know your tendencies. For instance, Jaye Daniels did
not like to throw over the middle. I think seventy
percent of his throws were to the right side. So
they start to get these numbers on you, and again
they make it more difficult. Jared Goff balling out going
to super Bowls the first struggle so much so they said,
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get out of here. Yes, you took us to the
super Bowl, but we were so and apt in the
Super Bowl. Get out of town, bring us Matthew Stafford.
And so my point is, I think the larger point
for me because I think Jordan Love's to be fine.
But is that the minute somebody looks good for a
handful of games or a season, we're already saying this
person is the next best and greatest thing. And I'm like, yo,
it's okay to pump the brakes and say I want
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to see another year or two. Can you show me
some prolonged success? And it's okay to say, all right,
I like that, I like what I've got now, but
we are ready to act like somebody's in all be
all right off the bat, especially that position that is difficult.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
And now the reading the book is out on you well.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But some of the numbers are just no quarterback has
more multi interception games than Love. He has seven since
the start of last season. The other one is we
talked about the you talked about the final eight games
of last season when he had the eighteen touchdowns against
one interception, but the twenty three games sandwiched around that,
thirty nine touchdowns and twenty one interceptions, Like he turned.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And I get it with risk reward all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But then I'm sure people in Green Bay it's gotta
be really rough to watch because they was so used
to Aaron Rodgers not the ball over like you like
you know what I mean, Like he was ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
He sow forty five touchdowns and three interception right.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
All year, so you always were like, like you never
felt like your quarterback was giving the game away.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
I think Jordan Love, rob at his absolute best, at
his best, can be the hybrid between Brett Favre and
Aaron Rodgers. He's not gonna be as conservative and not
you know, don't want to take the risk like in
Aaron Rodgers. That's why he touched out intercept Rangel is crazy.
But I think he has the potential to be a
little less turnover prone and a little less of a
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gambler than a Brett Farber at his best. He has
a chance to be the hybrid of those two, which
could be if you're a Packers fan, you could be good, Hey,
we got for the next eight to ten years, we
got a really good quarterback. We'll be able to compete
in our division and maybe compete the conference for eight
to ten years because we got the per I think
the bridge between the two that's at his best, he
to me, is the perfect balance.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But I think from where they were right after that
postseason game to where they are now, their doubts And
I'm not saying like they don't think he's any good
at all, but there at that point you were like,
oh my god, we just struck goal again, am I right?
Like after that game, there's no way you didn't think
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the Practics have their guy for them. Now. I'm not
saying obviously that they signed him to a contract. He's
gonna play and we got to see and he's got
to work through some stuff. But there is an out
there is now because he's he's turnover prone and.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
He is and he makes some throws. Rob, You're like,
wait what And I think this is a look in
the mirror moment. I think for him it was approved.
I've been waiting. I've been chomping at the bit. I
finally got my chance.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You can't got to be aggressive, but you just can't
throw the ball to the other team because it gets
hard to win that way.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
And listen, I know you knocked this guy, but that
was part of the thing with with you know, some
of the games that Patrick Mahomes had to have. Sometimes
it just wasn't there and it was ugly. And Bro,
we got to kick this field goal, we got to
run the ball. But he was able to find ways
to win. And there's something to be learning that, Jordan Love.
You ain't got to risk at all, Bru. We can
still find a way to win its I'm just saying.
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Speaker 1 (23:15):
Rob g I want to bring you in because this
happening is going on with the Cleveland Browns and just
all the reports coming out just are not good when
when it comes to Shador Sanders, I mean, they just aren't.
You can read in you know, I read into it. No,
Like if you read the stories, it doesn't sound promising
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that he's going to be the starting quarterback like a
lot of people are predicted, whether it be the start
of the season, or halfway through the season or the
last four games of the season, it just doesn't sound
like that.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Rob g Yeah, and Browns camps opening up this week
and like a lot of camps are around the league,
and of course all eyes are on that four man
quarterback battle because it's been widely reported ESPN, NFL Networks,
CBS Sports, the Cleveland Browns will not nt be keeping
four quarterbacks on the active roster.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Most teams just don't do it. They will not be
doing it.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
So obviously what that means is one of these guys
gonna be the addo man out. And according to the
latest piece in CBS Sports, there is a growing belief
that the auto man now is going to be sher
Doer Centers Shere's the reason why number one. Joe Flacco
the oldest in the group, let the team of the
playoffs two years ago, so he's kind of the leader
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in the clubhouse in that regard where they hey, we
can count on this guy. We know what the benchmark is.
At a minimum, We're gonna be solid with Joe Flacco.
Kenny Pickett was reported last month by Mary Kay Cabot
that he is, by all accounts said to be the
starter in Week one, and I'm not traded for him.
They gave up assets, real pieces to get Kenny Pickett,
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so you think it's not going to be him, They
moved down to the rookies. Dylan Gabriel, let's be honest,
whether you think he's worth it or not, was drafted
two rounds ahead of Sanders, which means, if we do
prostive elimination, should do Sanders be number four in the
depth chart? Should do Sanders be the guy who's price
caught a quarterback? Which means he would be eligible to
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be claimed off of waivers by any other team in
the NFL? So dumba start with you here, what is
the plan in Cleveland?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
They ain't got a plan once They just started drafting quarterbacks.
And acting like they were Oprah.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
We got a quarterback. We got a quarterback. They got
all the quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
That's when you know they don't have a plan because
you bring in Joe Flacco. Typically you bring in somebody
like that, it's to have him in the background. Like
we have a great uh Russell Wilson with Justin Fields.
We've got a guy who's been the super Bowl winner.
We got him in the you know, we can break
in case of emergency. We've been to the playoffs with him.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Good.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
He's in the background. We have that safety valve if
you will, or if you go and you trade, as
we mentioned, to get Kenny Pickts. You say, Kenny Picket's
our guy. Let's roll. We read it to roll.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Dude. They bringing in Vets who might start ahead.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
No, we trade for Kenny pick Okay, wait, we're gonna
go get Dylan Gabriel. Wait, no, we're gonna get your door.
I don't think they know what they want to do.
And what makes it interesting to me while I still
don't believe because if you continue to read the reports,
there's also reports owing by the way, Shador actually probably
could be the third quarterback in If you keep reading
all the reports. The reason I'm questioning this is what
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was the goal of bringing Shador in if you knew
you only wanted to carry three? Also, why is he
the guy that seems to be out when by all
accounts what we've heard, everything that has been asked of him,
he's done. He's obviously he was more highly regarded than
Dylan Gabriel. We all know that that's not even refutable
and coming out, but because of allegedly he interviewed wrong. Whatever,
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that's fine, but you draft him for everything he's been
asked to do as far as on the field so far,
they'll get into training camp tomorrow. He's done well at
And so to me, where's the other side and where's
Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
We ain't heard nothing about Dylan Gabriel. Nobody's coming out
raving about him. No teammates are coming out Raby like,
we haven't heard much. And so to me, why what
makes him better now? Rob?
Speaker 5 (27:01):
If he was a first round draft pick, we know
how this goes this business. I don't care if he
was throwing four interceptions, He's gonna stick around. He was
our first round draft pick. If he was a second
round draft pick, I could still understand that a third
round draft pick that was already a reach to me
makes it confusing on why he's just automatically or at
least presumed to automatically be the guy. I still think
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they got training camp to go through. You don't buy
too much into OTAs. This is where it really starts
for all of them starting tomorrow. And I still think
Shaduor has to say in all of this.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Here's my issue. You say you don't know what they're doing.
What they're doing is not allowing Shaduor to get first
team snaps where he is on the depth chart, and
this idea that they have some sort of secret plan
and they just want to hold Shador down is ridiculous.
If there was any place that should do or should
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have excelled and had a real chance, it's Cleveland because
they haven't a quarterback, you know what I mean. And
they went to try to get you Watson, Deshan Watson,
and that didn't work out, so they're actually looking for
a quarterback. Like if you're the Browns and you.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Really believe that they you've lucked out.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And you got this guy in the fifth round, and
this guy can can change things for you, you would
be apt to do it. So this is why people
Why can't people buy into the idea that maybe he
isn't as advertised, because if he was, everything points to
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that he should be the guy. Right, Kenny Pikett hasn't
done that much. Joe Flatt goes old Dylan, who's in
front of him. The idea that he's behind those three
guys has to tell you something. Nobody nobody. It's just
like the Tom Brady thing. That's your mentor, that's the
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guy who you worked out where. That's the guy who
saw your your heart and your desire and what you
got in. He knows your dad, he knows what DNA
you come from. And they had multiple picks where Tom
Brady could have been the smart guy in.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
The room and said here's our quarterback of the future.
Door nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You can't keep looking at everybody and saying they're all wrong.
There's something here that tells you that Shador is not
the guy for them.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
And because there's just too much.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
But that's the thing that confuses me, is what is
the thing By all accounts, we've set up here for
the last about a month or so after the draft
and then you start to have conversations. What we hear
from the GM Rob g oh Man, he looks great.
I can't lie. He looks really good. The only people
he can look thro right now. And he looked great
in college to the tune of the Best completely.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
They be one ranked team the whole time when they
played I'm.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Dude, dude battled with CAYLEB Williams, who wind up being
the number one pick. I'll do it him and went
back and forth. Dude comes to a team that went
one game and they go to six, and they go to
Wizard nine. My whole point is he's done what he
was supposed to do on a terrible offenser life. He
had me and you, Alex and Robb g blocking for
him and Steve blocking for him, and he was still
putting up crazy numbers, the highest completion percentage. So again,
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he's not Peyton Manning. No, He's not Andrew Luck No.
But to their point of nobody in front of him
jumps out. I'm like, why is this the guy that
would then be the eye man out? By all accounts,
other teammates have come out. Man, he looks good out there, man,
he looks he looks like he's got it. So I'm
just saying, Rob, what am I missing that all of
a sudden, Let's unless we come to find out he
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has a he's just a rotten person.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
But everybody who it doesn't have to be rotten. It's
when you look at your pecking.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Order, and pecking order ain't that ain't But that ain't
a pecking order to be worried.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
But I just I just think that at some point
you have to come to terms that that maybe he's
just not the quarterback that you thought. There's a reason
that the Steelers or other teams that were looking could
have easily picked him earlier if they really believed that.
I don't believe that anybody passed him over just to
pass them over.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
And I don't believe that just had We just had
Joel Corey on and he brought up a great point
that I've been saying sometimes in these leagues, especially when
it's not an obvious the Peyton manning Cam Newton, somebody
coming out was like, oh, shoot, he's clear number one.
Where you go, shoot, what's wrong? Are we missing something?
I was, shoot, I was gonna get him, But maybe
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we are something going on. Maybe we don't know that
that's them. That's dumb scouting.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You don't care what other people do, what other people do,
and did you do your due diligence? They had two
picks in the second round to get him to the
only reason after them was because the owner showed up.
You go look at the field, go look at the video.
The coach and the GM were like, so what they.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Did not want to draft? What due diligence did they do?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
They were off the way and say, Dylan Gabriel's that guy.
Everybody had should do it a better report card than him.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Everybody didn't because obviously.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
People had him, but there were other people that needed
a quarterback and none of them pick. It was one
team that just didn't want them. There were other teams
that had we were talking about and including the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Though.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The Raiders are the ones that I think, what what
quarterback do they have that they've been.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Looking at Smithers their quarterback long term though, is what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
They've been dying all the Browns quarterbacks put together.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I'm sorry if you really believe that Tom Brady went
in there and told those guys, Dude, I work out
with this guy. He's he's my mentee. I'm put my
reputation in my name on the line.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Draft this guy. He's going to be our quarterback of
the future.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
He come on, man, I don't buy Training camp starts
tomorrow and all of them have a chance because to me,
it's open for every last one.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
He's gonna be so honest. No, I'm not saying that
I think Joe Flaco was the leader, because Joe Flacco's leader.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
He's literally been with the team already and he's won
a playoff game, so he's the leading candidate. But what
I'm saying is they're not a single person outside of
the report or rapport that Joe Flacco has where you
go always clearly his because Kenny Pikett ain't never shown
us much. And then again Dylan Gabriel, we ain't heard
nothing from him. And if you're if you're should do
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it again, this is your chance to make a name,
because this is the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
None of them are whowing.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
We're not walking into a Russell Wilson killing it situation.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
You go create that
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Rob g We got some very depressing numbers from the
w NBA and the All Star and you know, yesterday
we had a big conversation about them wanting more money
and all that stuff, but we got further proof of
what moves the needle in the WNBA. And trust me,
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it ain't ninety nine point eight percent of the league.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Something tells me Rob Parker's not buying the spin job
coming out of the w Because if you're on social
media earlier on Tuesday, a very interesting graphic put.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Up on ESPN and the WNBA social media accounts.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Showing that the WNBA television ratings for the All Star
Game over the weekend, we're up one hundred and fifty
eight percent. You're like, man, that's a ginormous number. That's incredible,
and then small parenthes underneath it. They put from the
twenty twenty three season. No, that's crazy, You're like, well,
why would they do that because we're now in twenty
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twenty five.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
What happened in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Oh yeah, twenty twenty four was when Caitlin Clark joined
exactly WNBA All Star Game, and if you consider what
happened last year with the television ratings, this year's All
Star Game down thirty six percent year over year. The
difference was Clark played last year, did not play this year?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Bob, do you give me more? We could go on on.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
This just continues a trend, rather troubling trend if you're
the WNBA that we've seen now play out for years.
The twenty twenty five NCAA Championship Game for women, you recall,
had the largest ratings ever when Kaitlyn Clark was in it.
The year after, so that was this year down fifty
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four percent?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Ought a shocker? Oh wow, okay, I thought people like
women's basketball.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I thought that was.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Twenty twenty five WNBA Draft down forty nine percent from
last year when Kaitlyn Clark was in it. The All
Star Game we just mentioned, down thirty six percent from
last year when Kaitlyn Clark was in it. And here's
the worst one of all the twenty twenty five WNBA
television rating.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Ah you listening, Kelvin is for you? Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
While Kaitlyn Clark was out injured. She's been injured a
lot throughout the season, down fifty percent during the time
that she was out hurt. The Kaitlyn Clark effect is real.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
There's no doubt about it. And Kelvin, I'm just gonna
say this. I'm not going to mince words or whatever.
They want fifty percent of the revenue and all that.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
That's what the well, that's right.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
They want they want. They want that like the NBA.
They want fifty percent of whatever is bringing brought in
and that's there. They're only getting nine percent, but they
want fifty percent. And I say, no way, no how
for the majority of the women in the WNBA. But
if you ask me about Caitlin Clark, she deserves fifty
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percent of the revenue coming in and they deserve to
continue nine percent because when she's not involved, it's business
as usual, which is what we had for the previous
thirty years of the WNBA, which is not that good.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
She is the one NUKA guys can deny.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It all you want, say it's not fair this and
that she moves the needle.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
There's no the numbers are there. Yeah, I don't know
who can. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
People act like, oh well, it's not hurt really. And
here's the other thing. The other night All Star Game
to one of those black T shirts, Kaitlyn Clark's T
shirt should have said pay me what you owe.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Me in capitol letters.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
M e you what about me, bounds, This is about
me being paid. Kaitlyn Clark deserves to be paid. I'm
gonna take it a step further. She should opt out
of the WNBA uh union deal where all players, you know,
(04:32):
split the merchandise and all this. She should opt out
because I'm gonna give you a couple of names of
players who opted out.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Michael Jordan opted out of the NBA.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
He not taking the same cut as the fourth, the
twelfth man on the on an NBA roster, Okay, exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
He not taking that.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Barry Bonds opted out of Baseball's He's not taking that
for what the twenty fifth man on a baseball roster
then was getting. Everybody gets the same amount of money.
They both opted out. She should opt out of anything
involving the other players and even her contract.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I don't want it that garbage.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
If you want me to play, you give me a
personal service contract to the owner. You know what I mean.
I work for him or her, whoever owns a what
is the name of that team, the Indiana I fever. Yeah,
I work for the owner as a personal service deal,
not a part of any union structure, so that she
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can make the peanuts that they're giving her. She is
by far the reason we're even having a conversation about
the WNBA, about anything involving money and ratings and ticket sales.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
It's her.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Go out and get a T shirt, Kaitlin Clark's T shirt.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Pay me what you owe me. They owe her. The
rest of the women in the WNBA not so much.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
She clearly is the sun in everything orbits around her,
without a doubt. She is the gravity that pulls everybody in,
that pulls the viewership, that pulls the sponsorships to pull
the chartered planes, all that good stuff and so everything.
I'm with you. She clearly her worth. We all know
what it is. WNBA has skyrocketed since her ascension. The
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college college women's college basketball tournament. It rows because of her,
without a doubt. The only thing where I will throw
a caveat into this is rob money isn't everything to everybody,
especially when you're still making good money. And what I
mean by that is I think she realizes she has
a chance to help be a part of something. She's
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been very vocal about how she wants to be a
part of the movement to get women to be paid more.
She wants to be a part of the movie to
get what they believe they deserve. She wants to be
a part of the elevation of the game, both from
a notoriety standpoint, from a critically acclaim standpoint, from a
viewership standpoint, and a financial standpoint. And she very much
wants to be a part of that. And I think
that's why, as big as she is, she often opts
(07:11):
to kind of be a part of the team. She
opts to I'll just be there and do what we're
all doing, and I'll make sure or in this case,
I won't be seen for a reason so that I
don't blow up the spot. To me, she strikes me
as somebody who wants to her legacy to be. I
was a great player, but also look what I did
for the game. And that's why I think she's not
gonna put herself on an island or it's all about me,
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take care of me, look at me, because no nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Jordan and Barry Bonds did it for a reason, because
because it's not fair.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
It's not that the equity is not' I'm not Jordan.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
And Barry Bonds were not got Hastings are not the
same guy in him and they should not.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I'm not arguing that, but I'm saying her too.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But that's separating yourself from from membership, is what it is.
And I can't be mad at somebody who moves the
needle that much.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And I would argue mighty.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I mean for the relative respect of sports, she's equal
to Jordan in that regard, maybe even bigger in that
regard of what she brings versus the single you know,
compared to him, the singular person. But again, I think
she's standing for something bigger. I think she looks and
you know, you look at a billy Jane King. I'm
trying to do more for women's tennis. I'm trying to
get him paid more I'm trying to get title nine.
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I'm trying to do all of this, and I think
that's to me equally. What her mission is not just
to be great, not just to watch my bank account grow,
but I want part of my legacy to be Look
what I also helped build.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Look at the legacy I left behind her. She can't
do it.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
She can't do it with the rest of the women
and the league because the numbers aren't going to allow
you to do that, and her showing.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Her worth, her worth, she ain't. You got to show it.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
At this point it is clear it is there's no
more number indicator that.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Numbers doing that by by by saying no, you're not
going to short change me, no under and he circumstances
as a woman especially, I'm not gonna take what everybody
else is taking when obviously my numbers dictate something else.
Michael Jordan did it, Barry Bonds did it, and she
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should do.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Here's the difference or why, I think the issue why
they're not quite apples apples. She's just now entering the league,
whereas Jordan and Bonds were able to do that because
they became established, you know, they became those guys where
you could literally I can't even hate on that. I
think for her, she's feeling like, I'm new to this.
I want to grow. I want to, you know, kind
of build a camaraderie. I don't want to come in
and ruffle feathers, separating myself, whereas Jordan took years because
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he came in the league. Yeah, you're good, but it's
about Magic, It's about burd, It's about doctor Jay's about
Isaiah Thomas, about a bunch of other guys kareem as well,
and I think eventually his ascension, Jordan could separate and
stuff and you couldn't be mad at that. She doesn't
want to walk in and be that, but I completely
get it why you would do that, because again she
nothing else has been this obvious in sports in quite
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some time except Tiger Woods, in the separation with Tiger
Woods where you saw him and then the next golfer
and the only thing to w NBA. They have to
figure it out where they have to have other stars
continue to grow along with her. And if she can
pull the ship, she can be dragging the ship. We
are all right with that, but other people have to
rise as well. Because I told Rob g this rob
last point, what if she ends up becoming and you
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know how this works in sports. What if the novelty
robs rubs off. What if the novelty goes away and
you know that happens. What if in a year or two,
everything we love her for becomes what we don't like
her for. All she does shoot threes here she goes
again getting into it with people. Yeah, but she never
wins anything, and meaning she comes down a little bit
(10:43):
and she's just a good player.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
How it works.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Strike when no, no, no, I'm not talking about that.
What I'm saying you sound like Jerry Jones talking about
getting hit by a car.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
No, no, no, no, this isn't no, this isn't your This
is not about her. I'm talking about I'm saying, this
is why the league has to continue to go the game,
because there's gonna be a copumba point where she levels
down and you don't want it to be.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Well, you missed out. So I know.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I'm saying, strike when hot and grow while she's hot.
Grow the game while she's hot, because eventually she may
just become a really good player, but not one of
the best, as she isn't right now. The best, and
you don't want it to be with the novelty fades away,
is what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1 (12:32):
Packers quarterback Jordan Love it was the play the NFL's
top one hundred plays, and my goodness, grace, he take
a drop.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
You know what's funny is that Rob does not care,
does not respect players, polls and opinions unless unless it works.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
It works in his narrative that he's like, Rob, g
let's do this one, and you know how to pull
the cart back. Hey, hey, Rob, you.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Know what else he loves to I shocked he didn't
tell let me do it.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Hey, Alex, can you get the Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Drop because I thought you would do this for Jordan
Love him dropping in the rankings like that.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yes, we need let me throw you to all like that.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Let me be Chris Paul coming back to the Clippers
for you throw this ally you I thought you had
that ready, Alex, can you.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Get to the.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
That's right, It's better than to get Kawhi ready because
this joke is going to be really good.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
What I never ax?
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Alex knows he's shooting like Dawhite. Howe for the Frew
about thirty five?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Good?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Tell them the truth? When I when I, when I
C Alex or whatever? You go? Oh God, here we go.
I know it was gonna be a bad joke. We
got yes, but here we go.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So in twenty twenty four, Jordan Love had that breakout
end of the season and he debuted on the NFL
one hundred at number thirty four, which was big for
him considering again it was his first year as a
starter and to be that high in the list right
out of the gate was a big deal. Well, after
the twenty twenty four season, which was of course, injury
(14:08):
riddled to start off with generally uneven from him and
the Packers as a whole, he fell all the way
to number sixty eight in this year's NFL one hundred,
a big fall from grace for the Packers quarterback.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
And you know what, it is totally warranted because.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I think he got paid off of that Packers playoff
game against Cowboys, right, and then we realized what happened.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Calvin was the back. The Cowboys defense was terrible.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Everybody was lighting them up right for the next floor
five games right the following year.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
So it wasn't just like he came in and destroyed him.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
But at that time, you were like a playoff game
in Dallas, and he put up a forty piece or
whatever it was, right right, But last year thirty three
hundred yards, twenty five touch downs, eleven interceptions, four fumbles,
sixty three percent quarter completion ratio.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
So it just wasn't good. And here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
He's he's prone to throw at least two picks, so
to have two turnovers a game, like two picks a
game at one stretch, he really has struggled. And this
is the thing I'm gonna say about Jordan Love. I
always questioned how good he was, and I know he
got the deal. He's gonna be their quarterback and they
hope to have three quarterbacks for forty years right between
(15:32):
Brett Favv, Aaron Rodgers and now Jordan Love.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
And I get it as an organization. That's the best thing,
so that it's a great accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
It really is to be able to have that, because
you know, you look at Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And the Brown quarterbacks, but there's a lot of teams.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
The Jets have had a million quarterbacks early two thousand
lions exactly. But here's the thing, and this is when
I questioned it and Rob G. This is not a
second guest. I say this because Rob G knows this.
When they had a chance to trade Aaron Rodgers to Denver,
do you remember that, coming off off of MVP and
they were gonna get a quarterback, they moved up to
(16:10):
get Jordan Love.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Like all the signs were there, like they had him.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
For they had already had him. I'm sorry, they had
him for like three years or whatever. So we were
sitting there, so they had an idea of who he was.
They watched him in practice all the stuff, and that's
why when they moved off of Brett Farb they had
Aaron Rodgers. Remember he didn't play for three years, but
they knew what they had something they didn't even the
last time when he was like I don't know if
(16:35):
I'm a player or not. They were like no, no, we're
gonna make it. We'll make the decision for you. You're
not playing with us next year? How's that? Which they
could have done with Aaron Rodgers gotten a Hall coming
off of an MVP. But when they didn't make that trade,
I questioned how good he really is because that was
the most opportune time to have your quarterback and you
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get a hole for your aging quarterback at that point,
do you know what I mean? And so that always
I always questioned it. But then you had the big
playoff game, so I was like, well, maybe I'm wrong,
maybe I'm not watching them every day, but that was
pretty damn impressive. You got to give the guy credit,
but the numbers just haven't been good and a lot
of turnovers.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I don't think you have to be wrong.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I think you can be right in this insense of
this is bigger than to me, the larger conversation of
is he good or not. I think Jordan Love is
going to be good. I think he'll have a couple
of Pro Bowls throughout his career. He'll be a nemesis
for the Lions and the Bears and the Vikings for
some years. I think he'll be fine. Here's my bigger
conversation with this, the idea that we keep crowning people
after a year. In his case, really after eight games
(17:43):
he goes crazy. Eighteen the last eight games of that season,
he gets eighteen touchdowns, one interceptions, goes into that postseason,
destroys the Cowboys, and we're like, look at Patrick Montana,
like we're ready to call him everything.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Look at you know, Tom Manning.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
We were just calling him the combination of all these
great And that's to me, the bigger conversation is, we
keep ready to crown somebody, right, It's okay to let
somebody grow, It's okay to let some things play out
a little bit before we all of a sudden want
to start proclaiming things. And all of a sudden, Jordan
Love is gonna be the this, Jordan Love's gonna be
to that. And now there is some times there's gonna
(18:19):
be regression. Might I throw a couple names at you.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
CJ.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Stroud looked amazing year one. We like, oh shoot, CJ.
Strout's doing to the ones.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
CJ.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Strout looks like he's gonna be a good quarterback for
years to come. But he took some regression last year,
the offensive line wasn't great, they were missing some players,
there were some injuries, but overall, he would admit he
took a step Backchic mechanics looked off a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
It happens.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Do you remember a guy who is now the MVP,
Josh Allen didn't look amazing year two turnovers like crazy,
and everybody started to question.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
But for every guy you mentioned, I can mention guys
too who got worse and never recovered, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
So I'm gonna get your point on it.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I'm not questioning saying like it's not automatic that because
these other guys bounce back.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I'm saying he may be bad. My point, I think
he's gonna be good.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
But what I'm saying is it's okay to just say, oh,
Jordan Love looked really good that year. Let's see what
we got we you know, I mean you and I,
but we the meaning we Joe, Oh, he's gotta be this.
He's gonna be the greatest. And another current example will
be jayde and Daniels. I expect Jane Daniels to be good,
but they already got him the fifth best quarterback. And again,
what happens in the NFL catch teams by surprise, we
(19:29):
know captain film on you. You know, things start, okay,
now we're gonna lock you up. Now we've seen it.
Now we know your tendencies. For instance, Jaye Daniels did
not like to throw over the middle. I think seventy
percent of his throws were to the right side. So
they start to get these numbers on you, and again
they make it more difficult. Jared Goff balling out going
to super Bowls the first struggle so much so they said,
(19:49):
get out of here. Yes, you took us to the
super Bowl, but we were so and apt in the
Super Bowl. Get out of town, bring us Matthew Stafford.
And so my point is, I think the larger point
for me because I think Jordan Love's to be fine.
But is that the minute somebody looks good for a
handful of games or a season, we're already saying this
person is the next best and greatest thing. And I'm like, yo,
it's okay to pump the brakes and say I want
(20:10):
to see another year or two. Can you show me
some prolonged success? And it's okay to say, all right,
I like that, I like what I've got now, but
we are ready to act like somebody's in all be
all right off the bat, especially that position that is difficult.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
And now the reading the book is out on you well.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But some of the numbers are just no quarterback has
more multi interception games than Love. He has seven since
the start of last season. The other one is we
talked about the you talked about the final eight games
of last season when he had the eighteen touchdowns against
one interception, but the twenty three games sandwiched around that,
thirty nine touchdowns and twenty one interceptions, Like he turned.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And I get it with risk reward all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But then I'm sure people in Green Bay it's gotta
be really rough to watch because they was so used
to Aaron Rodgers not the ball over like you like
you know what I mean, Like he was ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
He sow forty five touchdowns and three interception right.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
All year, so you always were like, like you never
felt like your quarterback was giving the game away.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
I think Jordan Love, rob at his absolute best, at
his best, can be the hybrid between Brett Favre and
Aaron Rodgers. He's not gonna be as conservative and not
you know, don't want to take the risk like in
Aaron Rodgers. That's why he touched out intercept Rangel is crazy.
But I think he has the potential to be a
little less turnover prone and a little less of a
(21:35):
gambler than a Brett Farber at his best. He has
a chance to be the hybrid of those two, which
could be if you're a Packers fan, you could be good, Hey,
we got for the next eight to ten years, we
got a really good quarterback. We'll be able to compete
in our division and maybe compete the conference for eight
to ten years because we got the per I think
the bridge between the two that's at his best, he
to me, is the perfect balance.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But I think from where they were right after that
postseason game to where they are now, their doubts And
I'm not saying like they don't think he's any good
at all, but there at that point you were like,
oh my god, we just struck goal again, am I right?
Like after that game, there's no way you didn't think
(22:15):
the Practics have their guy for them. Now. I'm not
saying obviously that they signed him to a contract. He's
gonna play and we got to see and he's got
to work through some stuff. But there is an out
there is now because he's he's turnover prone and.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
He is and he makes some throws. Rob, You're like,
wait what And I think this is a look in
the mirror moment. I think for him it was approved.
I've been waiting. I've been chomping at the bit. I
finally got my chance.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You can't got to be aggressive, but you just can't
throw the ball to the other team because it gets
hard to win that way.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
And listen, I know you knocked this guy, but that
was part of the thing with with you know, some
of the games that Patrick Mahomes had to have. Sometimes
it just wasn't there and it was ugly. And Bro,
we got to kick this field goal, we got to
run the ball. But he was able to find ways
to win. And there's something to be learning that, Jordan Love.
You ain't got to risk at all, Bru. We can
still find a way to win its I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
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Speaker 1 (23:15):
Rob g I want to bring you in because this
happening is going on with the Cleveland Browns and just
all the reports coming out just are not good when
when it comes to Shador Sanders, I mean, they just aren't.
You can read in you know, I read into it. No,
Like if you read the stories, it doesn't sound promising
(23:36):
that he's going to be the starting quarterback like a
lot of people are predicted, whether it be the start
of the season, or halfway through the season or the
last four games of the season, it just doesn't sound
like that.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Rob g Yeah, and Browns camps opening up this week
and like a lot of camps are around the league,
and of course all eyes are on that four man
quarterback battle because it's been widely reported ESPN, NFL Networks,
CBS Sports, the Cleveland Browns will not nt be keeping
four quarterbacks on the active roster.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Most teams just don't do it. They will not be
doing it.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
So obviously what that means is one of these guys
gonna be the addo man out. And according to the
latest piece in CBS Sports, there is a growing belief
that the auto man now is going to be sher
Doer Centers Shere's the reason why number one. Joe Flacco
the oldest in the group, let the team of the
playoffs two years ago, so he's kind of the leader
(24:29):
in the clubhouse in that regard where they hey, we
can count on this guy. We know what the benchmark is.
At a minimum, We're gonna be solid with Joe Flacco.
Kenny Pickett was reported last month by Mary Kay Cabot
that he is, by all accounts said to be the
starter in Week one, and I'm not traded for him.
They gave up assets, real pieces to get Kenny Pickett,
(24:50):
so you think it's not going to be him, They
moved down to the rookies. Dylan Gabriel, let's be honest,
whether you think he's worth it or not, was drafted
two rounds ahead of Sanders, which means, if we do
prostive elimination, should do Sanders be number four in the
depth chart? Should do Sanders be the guy who's price
caught a quarterback? Which means he would be eligible to
(25:10):
be claimed off of waivers by any other team in
the NFL? So dumba start with you here, what is
the plan in Cleveland?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
They ain't got a plan once They just started drafting quarterbacks.
And acting like they were Oprah.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
We got a quarterback. We got a quarterback. They got
all the quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
That's when you know they don't have a plan because
you bring in Joe Flacco. Typically you bring in somebody
like that, it's to have him in the background. Like
we have a great uh Russell Wilson with Justin Fields.
We've got a guy who's been the super Bowl winner.
We got him in the you know, we can break
in case of emergency. We've been to the playoffs with him.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Good.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
He's in the background. We have that safety valve if
you will, or if you go and you trade, as
we mentioned, to get Kenny Pickts. You say, Kenny Picket's
our guy. Let's roll. We read it to roll.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Dude. They bringing in Vets who might start ahead.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
No, we trade for Kenny pick Okay, wait, we're gonna
go get Dylan Gabriel. Wait, no, we're gonna get your door.
I don't think they know what they want to do.
And what makes it interesting to me while I still
don't believe because if you continue to read the reports,
there's also reports owing by the way, Shador actually probably
could be the third quarterback in If you keep reading
all the reports. The reason I'm questioning this is what
(26:16):
was the goal of bringing Shador in if you knew
you only wanted to carry three? Also, why is he
the guy that seems to be out when by all
accounts what we've heard, everything that has been asked of him,
he's done. He's obviously he was more highly regarded than
Dylan Gabriel. We all know that that's not even refutable
and coming out, but because of allegedly he interviewed wrong. Whatever,
(26:38):
that's fine, but you draft him for everything he's been
asked to do as far as on the field so far,
they'll get into training camp tomorrow. He's done well at
And so to me, where's the other side and where's
Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
We ain't heard nothing about Dylan Gabriel. Nobody's coming out
raving about him. No teammates are coming out Raby like,
we haven't heard much. And so to me, why what
makes him better now? Rob?
Speaker 5 (27:01):
If he was a first round draft pick, we know
how this goes this business. I don't care if he
was throwing four interceptions, He's gonna stick around. He was
our first round draft pick. If he was a second
round draft pick, I could still understand that a third
round draft pick that was already a reach to me
makes it confusing on why he's just automatically or at
least presumed to automatically be the guy. I still think
(27:21):
they got training camp to go through. You don't buy
too much into OTAs. This is where it really starts
for all of them starting tomorrow. And I still think
Shaduor has to say in all of this.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Here's my issue. You say you don't know what they're doing.
What they're doing is not allowing Shaduor to get first
team snaps where he is on the depth chart, and
this idea that they have some sort of secret plan
and they just want to hold Shador down is ridiculous.
If there was any place that should do or should
(27:54):
have excelled and had a real chance, it's Cleveland because
they haven't a quarterback, you know what I mean. And
they went to try to get you Watson, Deshan Watson,
and that didn't work out, so they're actually looking for
a quarterback. Like if you're the Browns and you.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Really believe that they you've lucked out.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And you got this guy in the fifth round, and
this guy can can change things for you, you would
be apt to do it. So this is why people
Why can't people buy into the idea that maybe he
isn't as advertised, because if he was, everything points to
(28:38):
that he should be the guy. Right, Kenny Pikett hasn't
done that much. Joe Flatt goes old Dylan, who's in
front of him. The idea that he's behind those three
guys has to tell you something. Nobody nobody. It's just
like the Tom Brady thing. That's your mentor, that's the
(28:58):
guy who you worked out where. That's the guy who
saw your your heart and your desire and what you
got in. He knows your dad, he knows what DNA
you come from. And they had multiple picks where Tom
Brady could have been the smart guy in.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
The room and said here's our quarterback of the future.
Door nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You can't keep looking at everybody and saying they're all wrong.
There's something here that tells you that Shador is not
the guy for them.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
And because there's just too much.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
But that's the thing that confuses me, is what is
the thing By all accounts, we've set up here for
the last about a month or so after the draft
and then you start to have conversations. What we hear
from the GM Rob g oh Man, he looks great.
I can't lie. He looks really good. The only people
he can look thro right now. And he looked great
in college to the tune of the Best completely.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
They be one ranked team the whole time when they
played I'm.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Dude, dude battled with CAYLEB Williams, who wind up being
the number one pick. I'll do it him and went
back and forth. Dude comes to a team that went
one game and they go to six, and they go to
Wizard nine. My whole point is he's done what he
was supposed to do on a terrible offenser life. He
had me and you, Alex and Robb g blocking for
him and Steve blocking for him, and he was still
putting up crazy numbers, the highest completion percentage. So again,
(30:16):
he's not Peyton Manning. No, He's not Andrew Luck No.
But to their point of nobody in front of him
jumps out. I'm like, why is this the guy that
would then be the eye man out? By all accounts,
other teammates have come out. Man, he looks good out there, man,
he looks he looks like he's got it. So I'm
just saying, Rob, what am I missing that all of
a sudden, Let's unless we come to find out he
(30:38):
has a he's just a rotten person.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
But everybody who it doesn't have to be rotten. It's
when you look at your pecking.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Order, and pecking order ain't that ain't But that ain't
a pecking order to be worried.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
But I just I just think that at some point
you have to come to terms that that maybe he's
just not the quarterback that you thought. There's a reason
that the Steelers or other teams that were looking could
have easily picked him earlier if they really believed that.
I don't believe that anybody passed him over just to
pass them over.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
And I don't believe that just had We just had
Joel Corey on and he brought up a great point
that I've been saying sometimes in these leagues, especially when
it's not an obvious the Peyton manning Cam Newton, somebody
coming out was like, oh, shoot, he's clear number one.
Where you go, shoot, what's wrong? Are we missing something?
I was, shoot, I was gonna get him, But maybe
(31:29):
we are something going on. Maybe we don't know that
that's them. That's dumb scouting.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You don't care what other people do, what other people do,
and did you do your due diligence? They had two
picks in the second round to get him to the
only reason after them was because the owner showed up.
You go look at the field, go look at the video.
The coach and the GM were like, so what they.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Did not want to draft? What due diligence did they do?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
They were off the way and say, Dylan Gabriel's that guy.
Everybody had should do it a better report card than him.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Everybody didn't because obviously.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
People had him, but there were other people that needed
a quarterback and none of them pick. It was one
team that just didn't want them. There were other teams
that had we were talking about and including the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Though.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The Raiders are the ones that I think, what what
quarterback do they have that they've been.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Looking at Smithers their quarterback long term though, is what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
They've been dying all the Browns quarterbacks put together.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I'm sorry if you really believe that Tom Brady went
in there and told those guys, Dude, I work out
with this guy. He's he's my mentee. I'm put my
reputation in my name on the line.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Draft this guy. He's going to be our quarterback of
the future.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
He come on, man, I don't buy Training camp starts
tomorrow and all of them have a chance because to me,
it's open for every last one.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
He's gonna be so honest. No, I'm not saying that
I think Joe Flaco was the leader, because Joe Flacco's leader.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
He's literally been with the team already and he's won
a playoff game, so he's the leading candidate. But what
I'm saying is they're not a single person outside of
the report or rapport that Joe Flacco has where you
go always clearly his because Kenny Pikett ain't never shown
us much. And then again Dylan Gabriel, we ain't heard
nothing from him. And if you're if you're should do
(33:24):
it again, this is your chance to make a name,
because this is the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
None of them are whowing.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
We're not walking into a Russell Wilson killing it situation.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
You go create that
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