July 29, 2025 • 38 mins
Former NFL safety Kerry Rhodes is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin share their thoughts on the shooting tragedy near NFL HQ in New York in which the perpetrator accused the league had been concealing the risk of CTE for profit, tell us why it's time for Justin Herbert to start turning his immense talent into actual wins, and discuss whether it's realistic to expect Bronny James to crack the Los Angeles Lakers' regular season rotation next year.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Serious Conversation is something that happened in the NFL, well,
the NFL offices, and that would be yesterday. We had
the incident that occurred in the building which the houses
of some financial buildings as well as the NFL, and
so I want to give you I want to be
specific about the updates here what we know and then
(00:45):
kind of dive into just our thoughts about some things.
So you had again a shooting that occurred there a
gunman who went in the building and he unfortunately killed
four people ultimately killed himself as well. We know a
little bit more about him as well. Now he is
from His name is Shane Devon Tomorrow. He is twenty seven.
(01:08):
He's from He's originally from here, southern California, played high
school football here and then he went into this building
and then unfortunately unleashed on folks and as I mentioned forward,
dead he ultimately would kill himself. Now here's where it
kind of first of all thoughts, concerns, prayers for everybody involved.
What has come out since then in the investigation is
(01:29):
that it is believed that he was trying to get
into the NFL. They were on the higher floor. He
was trying to get up there. And then you start
to read about it. He had a suicide note in
his pocket, and in that note he said that he
was dealing with CTE. He went on to say that
he was disappointed in the NFL because they were lying,
(01:52):
they were keeping information. He had a documented mental health
history and this is what he said here. He said CTE,
and it caused me to drink a gallon of Vanni freeze.
Once he mentioned he went on to talk about his
own issues. And so he believes the NFL is at
fault for not giving all people all the information and
(02:14):
telling the truth about CTE. And so it is believed
that he was trying to get to that building. Obviously
he did not get there. So there's a lot to
get you here for me, and I want to start
with this again I'm definitely just a sad story. And
you hate to hear about this because a couple of
things for me carry one. I don't know him, didn't
(02:38):
know him, and if he may have been dealing with
some issues. I don't know if this to be true.
We know that he has a document of mental health history.
He says it comes from football and CTE and that
very well could be true. I don't know, but either way,
that's not how you handle things, right. Taking the lives
of others who had nothing to do with it is
(02:58):
not how you handle things. Killing people is absolutely not
how you handle things. But there is for me. I
want to switch from the incident into the conversation of
the NFL and CTE, and you know what, I look
at it as Carrie, The NFL is really like America's cigarette.
(03:20):
The NFL is like when you go bungee jumping or
you go skydiving. They tell you everything. Hey, they tell you, look,
this can do this, this can happen. Here are the dangers.
Use at your own, you know, discretion. And the NFL
for years was hiding things. Yes, right, the NFL wasn't
telling us about things. They weren't telling us about t
(03:43):
t they were trying to cover it up. But then
around two thousand and five information starts to come out.
Right around we start to hear more and more of
what it's doing to people. We started to hear more
folks stories, and we started to hear about the tragedies
that happened. We start to hear about the junior Seius
killing themselves, hard to hear about Andrea i Waters that
(04:03):
hurts himself and injures himself. When we start to get
this information about ct and it's real to the tune
of one of the biggest actors, biggest blockbuster actors, Will
Smith does a movie called Concussion. That's right now, we
see it, and you know, we can watch a movie
about it, and we can hear the stories and see
the truth, and yet we still tune in. Right Damar
Hamlin died on the field, We still watch and I
(04:26):
think I'm at a place where for me, the NFL
has no more hiding to do. They don't have to
hide anymore. Tell us everything here is exactly what can happen.
We're not hiding, we're not sugarcoating. We're telling you everything
we've ever found. We're telling you every inherent danger. You
know why, Carrie, why we are consumed. We don't care
(04:46):
if you see somebody die in the field. We're gonna watch, right.
We don't care about ct Guess who's signing up to play,
still said, parents sending them in their players.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Now we do know younger folks.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
The numbers have dropped a bit, but what you're seeing
is they're going into flag football preparing to then do
high school football more. But football participation is still high.
Viewership is crazy high. Guys are still making millions of dollars.
So to me, the NFL had none else to hide
about CTE, about any other thing, because they're in a
position where they can say, hey, we told you all everything.
(05:19):
We've given you, all the data, we've given you, all
the facts, we're giving you everything you do football is dangerous.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Here you go. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
And the only reason you they will not do that,
or they have not done what you just said, come
come completely clean, is there's still ongoing court cases and
things that are going against the NFL as far as
the CTE from the former players. And that's the part
where you cannot do it that way. Yes, and so
the shaddow that's cast by all of that is it's
(05:48):
still looming, and that's the part that you cannot do that.
And so I understand why that's not the case. Now
as far as you know, the shooting incident and the
shooter trying to go in and solve this problem by himself,
that's just not the way to do it. Absolutely, it's
only hurting yourself. It's hurting your family. It's hurting other
people's families that, like you said, had nothing to do
(06:09):
with this. Right, So that's a big no no. But
the crazy part about what you just said is people
are still going to consume this product. I don't think
there's anything that can be done that will cause that
to be the opposite.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I just had a call on the way over here
with a friend of mine asking me should I put
my ten year.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Old son in football? And you know what I said? Would?
I said? Let him play flag football? Again?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Like that's me. I'm somebody that actually went through the fire.
I played it, had plenty of concussions, had a concussion
in my first preseason game, knocked out cold, and because
I knew that I had to make the team, I
get back up and still play like that's my decision,
even though you're probably basing a lot of those things
and those decisions based off doctors and the team and
(06:53):
the NFL and all those things, and laying out the
stuff for you for your safety. You're also for your
livelihood to doing something that you've want to do your
whole life, and you know what the benefits of it
can be for you and your family. So there's there's
this thing where it's just very hard to kind of
be mad at the NFL with this and for somebody
to try to take some take matters into his own
(07:14):
hands and try to go course correct this thing.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's just not going to happen that way. It's not again,
and it's sad. Again.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
We don't know if that's what his issue was and
if he you know, but I do know look at
this so we know. Just to name some of these
junior saw Aaron hernandez Andre Waters, Dave Derrison, they all
had confirmed CTE. And when you start to look at
further into these numbers, it's absolutely it's astonishing what they found.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So look at this.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Two percent of the of the folks that they actually
have studied.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I take that back, it's nine hundred.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, I I've played in the NFL that they fit
that had it. It's fifth that had fifteen plus years.
Ninety nine percent of the brains that they have studied
had CTE. So the Boston University, who's been at the
epicenter of this, they've been leading this again, they had
three hundred and forty five brains at the three hundred
and three hundred and seventy six, and of three hundred
and forty five of them were former NFL players study
ninety two percent of them had CTE. And of those numbers,
(08:12):
that's where we get the ninety nine percent that play
fifteen or more had it. So you look at the
names we led, we talk about it, and to me,
that's why I said, it reminds me of cigarettes. Hey,
I'm telling you now, it can cause cancer. You can die,
or you can be sick or secondhand smoke. In this case,
it will be hurt to your family, pain that they
have to go through if you end up being having
(08:32):
these brain issues. People are still signing up. We're watching
at crazy numbers, We're attending at crazy numbers. Business is booming,
and that's just where we are. And the NFL has
pretty much survived anything. We know that they were lying
about ct We get the information about CTE, we get
a movie about CTE, and we still consume and we
watch it and you see the guy can kneel, and
(08:53):
people feel like, hey, he shouldn't be penalized because he's kneeled.
And Colin Kaepernick people are still watching. Domestic violence is
people are still watching. So if you're the NFL, you
have just putt your your there non position where they're king,
and we've just consumed. We're entrench It's entrenched in us
and we love it and it's not going anywhere. And
to me, that's why hearing this guy's story, don't know
(09:16):
if it's true. Horrific events, terrible events, terrible decision making.
No one deserved this, you know. But on the CTE
side of the conversation, to me, I think here we are,
say twenty years later from really becoming a conversation. I
don't think that we care. Yeah, I don't think that
we care. And I think that the NFL kind of
(09:38):
has gone.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Yeah, and it's a con And you know why, because
it's a conscious decision by everybody. So you're putting the
power in everybody else outside of the entity, outside of
the shield, right, we've we've we've confirmed it.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Whatever however much or.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Small or how big that that confirming was, it's been confirmed.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
So now it's up to you as a consumer, as
a player, it's up to you, like you know, the warnings.
Like you said, you talked about it perfectly well with
the cigarette analogy. I love that because the olden days
of TV, the olden days of film, the olden days,
the images that we saw was you know, with a cool,
like rustic looking actor with some Wrangler jeans and puffing
(10:20):
a cigarette and that was cool. Yeah, And so we
talked about the consumer consumerism when you look at the
product of the NFL, right for the most part, when
you look at that the things that they do on
the field, like we'll sit back and say, man, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yep. And so the correlation one hundred percent adds up.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
The one thing I'll say before we break here to
your earlier point, I was going to get to this
as well.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
We're talking about tet.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
My point was the NFL needs to just go ahead
and say, hey, I told you, lay it all out.
And the reason why, one of the reasons at least
why they have it is because they haven't paid out everyone.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, what you were saying earlier, they we found out
they were doing race based brain testing. We're finding out,
you know, that only certain people are being paid others aren't.
They're holding up the money to people who were thought
they were getting this money, Families who thought they were
getting money, whether he posthumously, or folks who were dealing
with it in real time, because just to make sure
(11:13):
for the folks are clear, you can't determine TT unless
someone is dead, just for those who maybe didn't know that.
But so there's a bunch that we find out that
so many players who have filed for the claims. Looking
at this, you got players who filed for TTE issues
with brain dementia and forty one at filed for dementia
cases based on their diagnosis from the doctors, and only
(11:35):
about fifteen percent were approved. So there's a lot going
on with how they're getting people their money. Who's getting
the money, And that's the issue to what you were
saying earlier, where they're still trying to keep quiet because
then they'll have to retroactively go back and take because
think about that guy retired of making it up seven
nineteen seventy seven, who is like, something ain't been right,
(11:55):
and his family's like, man, something just changed five ten
years after retire, Well now they kind of know. Now
you can put a name that's what it was, or
that's what he's dealing with in the NFL doesn't want
to does that. But I believe moving forward, the NFL,
you ain't even got a hide none.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
We are proven, We're all in. We are proven.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
It is a drug that America needs, America wants no
matter what the situation is. We arguing about politics, we're
working about kneeling, we' working about CTE, We're working about
domestic bonds, we're arguing about use of military and stuff. Again,
we don't matter. People want their NFL. Give me my
parlays and to me the NFL at this point, they
ain't got nothing else to hide because we have proven
(12:36):
we can't do without it as a society.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
There you go.
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Speaker 1 (13:53):
We've been talking about a particular quarterback, Yeah, who I
believe as ex mentally talent. We all talented, we all do.
But I believe there's some shortcomings and I need to
see something. But his coach is all In. I'll tell you.
We're talking about Justin Herbert. Here's what Jim Harbor had
to say about him.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
That is from the heart. This is the truth.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Justin Herbert's biggest weakness is all of those that he's
counting on on offense, coaches, offensive line, playmakers, receivers, running.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Backs to get up to his level.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
You know That's that's I wake up every day to
try to get.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
To his level.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
All right, Carrie, you're already said Jim Harball right there
is doing exactly what Jim Harball is supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Big up his quarterback. There you go.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
You know what, Jim Barbara also big up Colin Kaepernick,
Alex Smith, JJ McCarthy, talk about he's a ball.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
He's the best quarterback I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
And no, he's the best quarterback in the I am
from Ann Arbor, Michigan, home of University of Michigan. That's right,
rooting for JJ and in the Gold Blue Boys. But
when I tell you JJ McCarthy, we were all blown
away that he was a tenth pick. Really we all said, who.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
What quarterback?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Uh huh JJ McCart Oh you said he was a
tenth quarterback. Take I got you no top ten, top
wait players, top ten players. But Jim Harball puts on
his khakis and he gets to selling people. And that's
what's going on here. Now here's what I mean. Justin
Herbert is incredibly talented. That is not I mean, he's
literally if you're making it. We're talking about movies earlier.
If I'm making a movie and it's gonna be called
(15:30):
the quarterback, it's gonna be him. Six' five, hair looks,
good got the, face looks like he could be A
Southern california, quarterback you. Know and he's, big he's got
the big, arm he can throw it all. That, yeah
and he's been. Good he has been. Good but to
go to What Jim harball, said that's WHERE i draw an. Issue,
now some of that has Been staley was his, coach
(15:53):
and he was he was not a great. Coach we
all know That, yes everybody ain't meant to be a head.
COACH i doubt he'll get a chance. Again maybe, wrong
at least in THE nfl. Level Maybe i'm. WRONG i
don't see that Happening Brenda staley because the way he
handled himself in tight. Situations so maybe you want to
cut him slack for a year or. Two, okay you had,
that you were dealing with. That but my challenge with him,
is To Jim harvall's, point, well you know what great quarterbacks.
(16:16):
Do they elevate their teams in spite of it. All,
yes you got a bunch of. Backs your whole backfield
has Hurt Lamar. JACKSON a couple of years, back every
running back went. Down it was like a. Plague you
weren't allowed to have a running back still was able
to produce and and and you, know and make things.
Happen Right Patrick, Mahomes all your receivers go. Down he
(16:37):
was like he had a. Plague, yep still able to
go fifteen to two and get to the Super. Bowl
my point, is guys are gonna go. Down guys are
gonna be. In you're gonna have a receiver you thought
was gonna be. Great he's gonna be. Mid you're gonna
bring in a free agent who you, Thought oh my,
gods glad we got he's gonna be. Mid great quarterbacks
find a way to elevate their team no matter. What
they find a way to keep them in, games to win.
(16:59):
Games and that's Something Aaron rodgers didn't. Do despite if
you looked at the, numbers twenty eight, touchdowns eleven, interceptions
that was a good, season. Right, well, no that's why
his team was five and twelve because he didn't make
the play when he had. To And Justin herbert hasn't done,
that and nobody's saying he will. Never but if we're
keeping it real right, now that's what we want to
see from. HIM i want to throw some numbers. In
i'm thought to, You, kerrey real. Quick so in a
(17:22):
couple of games that, MATTERED i don't, know playoff. Games
you're playing The Jacksonville jaguars back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Three oh you going? Back OH i got to go.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
BACK i got to do it because he's a six
best quarterback according to the rankings that they put out
a week and a half. Ago, well he let a
guy who wasn't in that top Ten Trevor lawrence come
back twenty seven points to win the.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Game and that game.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Alone Got Trevor lawrence all the money and we all
thought he was the. Man, yep call it The Trevor lawrence.
Game call it THE i have the better hair. Game
and that's the game that got him. Paid what did he?
Do he didn't do. Bad two hundred and seventy three
yards Justin herbert. Right he had a, touchdown zero, Interceptions
he was sacked three, times but he gave up the. Lead,
(18:09):
yep you can't be you can't blow a twenty seven
to nothing Carry roads this. Year AND i just said to,
YOU i, Did you're that? Quarterback you can't do?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
That hey cut. Him slager was a couple of years.
Ago let's go to last.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Year you would say fourteen of thirty two to The
texans who were missing players all through the.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Year we were all wondering was wrong WITH. Cj Stroud and.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Then they had a chance in that. Game they kept
having chances to win. It they lose thirty one to
thirty and he throws four. Interceptions he kept, saying, HEY. Cj,
stroud do you want to?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Win here you.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Go passer rating of forty point nine sack four. Times
so my point is.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
He.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Can't you can't sell me on he's that guy WHEN
i haven't seen it when it mattered most and in crunch,
TIME i haven't seen it.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yet big, GAMES i haven't seen it. Yet in, PLAYOFFS
i haven't seen him. Yet can it come?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Maybe but right NOW i just want to finally see
The Justin herbert, job you, know keep selling me. On
the talent's, there the yards are there at times a
couple of, seasons you, know BUT i want to see.
More and AGAIN i name a few players they keep.
Doing Trevor. Lawrence they kept selling me On Trevor. Lawrence all,
Right i'm not saying he's, horrible BUT i want to see.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
It Justin. Herbert it's all, there take it to that next.
Level it's. Time everything you said it's. Accurate it's.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Time we've heard enough about him in the playoffs set, listen,
Listen we've heard.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Enough about who.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
He can, be supposed to. Be he's supposed to be
all the, intangibles everything you just. Named he needs to
win some playoff. Games he needs to win some big,
games and not because of the team stepping up to get.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Done, No, no it's about. You this conversation is About Justin.
Herbert his coach is doing the right, thing supposed to
taking the, heat you, know putting it on everybody.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Else except for that.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Guy because quarterbacks egos and who they are, internally it's
very it's very, fragile and MOST nfl players.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Are but the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
When everything's, good they're gonna get the. Praise when everything's,
bad they're going to catch it. Right and So Justin
herbert over this past, offseason he played that game he
just talked about in the. Playoffs they should not have
lost that game to The Houston. Texans The texans weren't
the same team they were the year, prior and so
they should have been able to win that game Off
Justin herbert, alone and he did not show. Up it's
(20:31):
time for him to show up and be the man
and lead this team and actually come out and be
a little bit more aggressive with who he is.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Too he's very.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Reserved he's very, calm AND i love that, about you,
know the leader of your team as a. Quarterback but
when is he going to show That Brett fahr, fight
That Peyton manning, fight That Tom brady. Fight there's an
element of being an elevated superstar at that quarterback position
that you have to have and sometimes you may not have.
It and some guys are going to be really good
quarterbacks and we'll be talking about him like Matt stafford
(21:02):
at the end of his. Career if that's if this
is the way it ends up right, now the way it's.
Heading a guy that couldn't get it done in one
spot maybe goes to another spot later on and gets
the right pieces and. Win but right, now that's who
he reminds me. Of we talked About Matthew stafford the same.
Way he was a guy that looked, great like if
you wanted to start AN nfl, quarterback a franchise, Quarterback
(21:24):
Matthew stafford would have been that guy when he got.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Drafted herbert's been that guy right.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Now he, is in my, mind the exact match of
Who Matthew stafford, is And Matthew stafford was better at
that time that we're saying these. Things so he has
a lot to. Prove this is his chance to do.
It he has a coach that believes In i'm a
quarterback friendly, coach has a. TEAM i think it's gonna
win that. Division this YEAR i think had the potential
to win that. Division let's go win. It let's go
(21:50):
win some games so we can really give him the
praise that everybody else has been getting them for a long.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Time the one Thing i'll say he has in his
favor IS i think What Jim harball is going to
do and continue to kind of create the team as
AND i think that's gonna be creating situations Where Justin
herbert can be himself but not have to be, everything
where he can, say all, right we're.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Gonna run the football more we saw that last.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Year Jim harbaugh is gonna continue to run that, football
and he's gonna continue to improve a, defense because If
Jim harbor ain't gonna do nothing, else, yes he's gonna
give you a, defense and he's gonna run the. Football
and THEN i think that will Enable Justin herbert to psychologically, Say,
Okay i'm gonna live And i'm gonna ump it.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Down we'll punt.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
It defense will give me the ball back and now
maybe this is the drive that you scored that big,
touchdown or he leads for that big field, goal or
whatever it may be THAT i think he's in a
better position now With Jim, harbaugh because, Again i'm gonna
sall him out little Bit i'm gonna Throw i'm gonna
throw them some. Ball With Brandon, Staley i'm throwing some
bail with. THAT i, agree because again that's Why i'm
Throwing caleb a little. Bit Caleb williams with his coach
(22:55):
and with The bears last year they had a handful
of Games they're, like coach will be, Doing.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Oh, yeah that was.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Bad, Yeah So i'm gonna throw him a little bell
when it comes to. That but All i'm gonna keep
saying is that's, cool show.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Me, no it's.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Time it's to shut up and show me. Time, yes
For Justin, herbert he's been in the league long. Enough
he's not a first, year second, year third. Year it's
that time, now and it's gonna be, hard and this
is What but this is what separates, you Right this
is what separates those quarterbacks because you are in a
conference that Is i've said, it nobody wants to hear
(23:29):
the lesser conference right, now but not when it comes
to the big name. Quarterbacks, yes you got the four,
horsemen if you, will we're really.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
One but the other.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Three you Got Patrick, mahomes you Got Joe, Burrow Josh,
Allen Lamar.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Jackson are you? Next is It Aaron? Rodgers is IT. Cj?
Shroud is It Justin? Herbert you? Know is It?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Gino point, being it's time for you to want to
compete and get in that mix.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Of those four hundred percent. AGREE i mean he has
talent to do. It we know that we need to see.
It he has a team, that's like you, said it's
better constructed to win. Now they can run the, ball
they can play, defense they can limit other teams. Possessing
so you, know you don't have to go out and
force yourself to throw for five hundred yards and seven
(24:16):
touchdowns to, win like you have a more.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Balance that was him last.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Year, yes last year you're looking at carry almost thirty
nine hundred, yards twenty three, touchdowns only three. Interceptions they
ran the ball, out they were lied on their, defense
and they were able to move get obviously to the
tune of a playoff. Appearance, yeah and that's what you,
want you, know BUT i need you to make those
game winning.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Plays And i'll keep giving you. Examples Russell wilson when
he was in his. Prime that's what he. Did, yeah
can make that game winning.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Play Patrick, Mahomes, hey that ain't my best year last,
year you, know but putting it on a resume. Tape
we're not gonna put last, year but we are going
to put a handful of plays winning. Plays oh, yeah
third and, five use his legs or make the proper,
play hit a, guy keep the drive.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Going third.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Down he led the league in thir down Conversions Patrick
Mahomes ultimately fifty three percent of his were first. Downs,
ultimately that's all matters with. Quarterbacks DID i get this
the first? Down did we move the? Ball did whether
it be just time with. Possession maybe we didn't get
points out of, it but, dange we got another two
to three minutes out of the.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Game That, yeah, no that part right.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
There BUT i do want to, say after all this
that we said About Justin, herbert it's true he needs
to step. Up it's his time to be that that
alpha guy and lead them to the big. Wins his
supporting cast does need to step up.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Out i'm Not i'm not. Disagreeing so LET'S i want
to put that out there for the. Listen they, do they.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Do that's WHY i think Having Jim harball creating an
actual a, system a, style a game plan around him
is going to help him and the. Team, also what
didn't help him's, Going, okay got my dog, Back Big,
Mike Big mike, said big. Psych Mike williams, Like i'm.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Out you just got. Here that he hit him with the.
Magic i'm not even gonna be.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Here that.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Counts look. Good why you hit Up? Robdie why hit
him with the? Magic you just got?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Back were, excited you, know got, Familiarity he got a
big receiver. Back it didn't work out In pittsburgh with
The jets and on that and welcome, Back Big mike
hit him with the. League, course so not so, fast
not so. FAST i, know justin on the phone with
him right, now there was SOMETHING i, said what just?
Happened you know he probably got. There Jim harbaugh was
(26:24):
So Jim, harball here you, go, buddy and patting him
on the bag and who.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
He was, Like, No i'm gonna go ahead and call it.
Career i'm gonna go ahead and call it. Career that's.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
It how many years Did mike william Play you, Know
i'm off the top Of i'm gonna go, eight say,
eight what do you?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
THINK i think a? Two, yeah But i'm not sure
it's somewhere around, that. Right. Yeah twenty seventeen he came in. Both.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah twenty, seventeen uh, crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Biggest year for, him had a couple of good with
twenty nineteen he had a thousand, yards twenty twenty one
he had eleven hundred, yards and then the year twenty
twenty two he had almost nine, hundred but that left
to be desired two hundred and forty, nine one hundred
and thirty, two one hundred and sixty. Six last, year
maybe it was that.
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Speaker 3 (27:20):
Live all, Right so there's a.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Piece there's an article That dave m mcminimu OF espn
did and it kind of talks About bronnie and where
he is right now and kind of what the expectations
are going into year two for. Him and the title
Inside Bronnie's james is year two development with The. Lakers
and if you read through a couple of, things you
just learned real quick you learn That bronnie obviously Through Summer,
(27:43):
league he said he's not a fan of, it not
so much to. Competition he loves the, competition but he
doesn't like all The vegas stuff that goes on with.
It he just kind of wants to hoop and that
be that had a couple of solid, outings had some
not so, desirable including the one Against Cooper. Flag not
a great outing for him in a sense of big
time scoring or anything like, that BUT i did like
(28:04):
that he looked like he wanted to smoke, defensively wanted
the Guard Cooper.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Flag love.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
That so the question, Becomes carrie With, bronni what exactly
are folks? Expecting and can he CRACK Jj reddick's rotation still,
overcoming you, know getting past that heart condition still a
couple years. Ago can he jump into being in the
rotation and getting some actual meaningful. MINUTES i look at
it like this With. Bronni bronni's in a great situation
(28:29):
for a chance to do. That And i'll tell you,
Why and that's BECAUSE i don't think The lakers drastically
improve their. Roster and when you look at what THE
nba currently, is this isn't the days of you got
your five star as a six man and maybe one
other guy and that kind of is that you roll
it out.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
There you look at the better teams right.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Now these teams are, Deep these teams are DOING i
said it a lot during the. Postseason you're seeing a
lot of line. Changes, yep like hockey pacers were thrown
in three four other guys at a, time boom, boom boom.
Boom you look at the Way minnesota was Swarming yoki's
a couple of seasons, ago and just the way they
do it bringing a bunch of. Guys you look at The,
pistons a bunch of younger. Guys you look At Houston,
(29:10):
rockets a bunch of guys, right just waves of, young,
athletic energetic guys coming at. You and, then of, course
So Oklahoma City, thunders who are currently the reigning. Champs
SO i think The lakers put themselves in a position
Where bronnie they might have to rely on ten twelve
minutes a, game you, know thirteen fourteen minutes a game From,
bonnie just simply as a can you be the, Energizer?
(29:33):
Bunny you're twenty, twenty twenty years. Old we need all
the energy we can. Get we need all the guys
who can. Go you, see what did you see a
lot in the? POSTSEASON a lot of ninety four? Feet,
yeah teams were pissons were checking The knicks ninety four.
Feet you got The thunder checking people ninety four, feet
The pacers checking, faces and YOU i feel like The
lakers haven't done, enough aren't deep enough to kind of just,
(29:56):
say you, know, hey we Can you're not requiring that
From Luca Marcus, smart who is a good.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Defender when he's.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Healthy he's only played fifty four games in the last
couple of, seasons so you don't really know what you're
gonna get from. Him and Then Austin reeves is not
a guy you want to have out there going, crazy you,
know garden people ninety four.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Feet he's an okay. Defender people pick on him a.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Lot so to, me that is his best way to
absolutely try his, best to be a, dog to be a,
pest to be an annoyance on the defensive. End now
you're still learning only your second, year didn't play a
lot last year at, All so he's gonna get cooked at.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Times you know WHAT i? Mean when you like he
got cooked last year Geting Tyrese. Max he's An All.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Star so you're gonna have times where these garden guys
who are gonna still say continue to say welcome to THE.
Nba BUT i absolutely don't think that The lakers have
enough to just to neglect. Him there's gonna be times
where they're gonna have to, Say, bronnie we need ten
twelve real minutes out of, you simply based off Because
luca's gonna have a night. Off lebron is about to
be forty, one really like fifty one if you consider
(30:56):
all the postseason runs he's gonna. Miss SO i just
think The lakers are not in a position to say, No.
BRONNIE i think he's gonna absolutely have some. Games it's
a nice period where they're gonna have to rely on,
him not saying he's gonna be, excellent not saying they're
gonna get amazing minutes all the. Time but the but
the the desire for him to play is are the
need for him to. PLAY i think he's gonna have
(31:18):
to be there from time to time because they don't
have enough enough young.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Lakes is it realistic to Expect bronnie to crack The lakers'. Rotation,
yes but with that being, said that means they're not
in a good. Place he's not ready to be a
regular rotational.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Guy.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Right i'm looking at their their guys right, now and
if you look just their nine, deep THAT i think
their nine deep will. Be you Got, smart you Got,
luca you got, lebron you Got La, rabia you Got,
aighton you Got, ruie you Got, reeves you Got, vincent
and then you know that last spot connect or? Him,
Right like in, theory that's probably what it would. Be
on any given a, night you're gonna need all ten
(31:55):
of those guys to. Play so what you're saying and
what they're stating in this article is. Correct but if
he he's one of those guys you're expecting to come
in and can give you twelve minutes of super productive,
BASKETBALL i don't know if that's happening. Right SO i
think what this says for me WHEN i look at
this this, statement AND i think it will be. True
The lakers still need some help and they still need some.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Depth and WHAT i gather from this is he's gonna
be able to get some minutes because they need him in.
Again all the guys you just, named, yep a lot
of them are either bigs or big Ish ruie Even
Dalton connects is now he's not a big but like
he's not guarding. Faster, yeah Like vincent would be the
only Day vinchen is one of the only guys who
kind of can you, know smaller pests can get in
(32:37):
there and mix things.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Up so they're GONNA i think they're gonna Need.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Branny but, AGAIN Jj reddick talked about he's gonna have
to be in great shape and he's gonna have to
be in tip top shape to be able to do.
That cause again it might say that's ALL i need from,
you go, lockdown go be. Annoying and he's got a
long way to, go and he's got the right person
there to teach him That Marcus. Smart, yeah When Marcus
smart got The, boston he was a scored in, college
(33:00):
put up a lot of. Points his role wasn't that
when he got The. Boston it was to be a,
pest to be a defensive.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Guy and that's what he. Was and he Has smart
there now he needs to learn everything That smart. Nos
so that's a great that's a great point. There so
what do you brought.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
To WHAT i hear from this is The lakers are
gonna be as most teams are With.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Luca they're gonna be Very luca.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Dependent AND i Think luca coming out that men's health
article being in great. SHAPE i think they're because you
look at, it they're not as. Deep they have, players
but they're not in the same type of the. System
isn't like some of these other, teams young, energetic go
get it The pistons of The, Rockets orlando a bunch of, young,
hungry go getty. Guys they don't have that per. Se
(33:43):
they gotta they got some guys who can play ru
we can play at, times you know you maybe sometimes
you want More Usin reeves has been, solid for. Sure
he's police found his, role his niche in the, league
and it's probably bought himself six more years in the,
league without a. Doubt but they don't they don't have
that thing. YET i don't think The lakers have found
their identity, Yet like we're absolutely at, This, yeah this
is what we. Are and all the other teams that are,
(34:04):
contenders you, know the six or seven, teams maybe three or,
two you, know three or four from kind of each.
Conference they know what they. Are you know what the thunder,
are you know what the rockets. Are gonna be, energetic fast,
paced harder nor defense and In kadi you can get
us a bucket and crunch time when we need and
you know what the nuggets.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Are AND i have no.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Idea if they have an idea who their starting five
is going to. Be that's gonna be the most critical
thing with this team because obviously you look at, it
you would think you bring Over. Smart luca's not a,
defender So smart's gonna, start, right So smart's gonna play the,
point and you know in, theory or be the other
Guard Luca lebron and, SEE i Think La rabia and
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agents to start and Bring ruy as that secondary ball
handler off the bench to let him go eat and so,
LIKE i want to see how they make this thing.
Work AND i think that's the first. Step we need
to know what the lake and that's. Problem that's gonna
be one of the THINGS Jj reddick has to. Do
figure out a row t because that's the thing They
darvin ham didn't have.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
It he was hands in his.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Pockets Ham hams make you dance he was hands in
his pocket and THEN jj thought he had it master
going into last. SEASON i figured it, out here's the best.
Road this is the rotation that wins a bunch of.
Games and he had to start twitching things around. Him and,
then you, know in trying to figure that. Out BUT
i go back To. Luca, luca we read he's in,
shape he looks. Good and to me and you being
(35:27):
a you, know math, fan and you can kind of
react to, this but this Is luca's very, good very
very good to great. Moment this is his chance to
go for, Oh luca absolent, man lucas one of the
ones to being. No one of the all time. Ones to,
me this is where he has a chance to take
it to the next. Level we see the difference in his.
Physique we see and this isn't just a WHO i
(35:50):
worked out a little bit over the, Summer, no this
is you can tell that is a mind set, change eating,
diet eating diet and having a motivation for the first
time in his. Life somebody didn't want him for the
first time in his. Life somebody was, like, no we
good on.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
You yep.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
No BUT i was ALL nba, fo, NO i know
but we good on. You, YEAH i dragged the team
in the, FINALS i, know but you can. Go, YES
i get buckets. ON i scored seventy some points IN
i know peace Right and for the first, Time luca
doneons felt that sting OF i ain't want, It and
NOW i think that added. Motivation he's getting in. Shape
(36:24):
people keep forgetting he was nicked up a. Little he
was nicked up throughout the season last. Year seems to
be in better, shape better. HEALTH i think that's what
you're gonna, see a heavy dose Of. Luca they're going
to be heavily relying on, him and he's gonna be
out on a. Mission AND i Think i'm telling You
i'm not a betting, man BUT i will almost put
some money on him IN mvp right. Now oh if
you got a few. Hundred you, Know i'm not telling you.
(36:45):
Anybody this Ain't Shekel, city but dang, it Because LUKE
i think he is for a. Vengeance luca already take
things personally and go at he. Takes and now you
telling Me i'm not good, enough you can go and
you want eighty six years old or always, injured and that's.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Who you want over.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Me.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Okay oh, YEAH i just, SO i was just about
to close on this. House uh, Huh, okay got bounced
out the first. Round didn't look, great he did, not
And edwards at all we had all the smoke was
walking around Figure aura out here In la walking around
with fans.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Tight, Hey i'm just hanging WITH la. Fans.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
YEAH i think all of that adds to an amazing
season on the way From. Luca and but they're gonna
be heavily relying upon, him and again they don't have
to me the defensive structure and the bunch of guys
who are defensive minded to WHERE i THINK browni might
have to be, used even if you're looking down you,
GO i really didn't want, to but almost have.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
To THAT'S i, mean it's a good. POINT i mean
their roster isn't built that, way. RIGHT I, mean the
only one THAT i see as real defenders on this
list is. SMART i, Mean lebron can play, defense, Obviously
ayton at his, best the shot, blocker. REBOUNDER i wouldn't
say he's like an elite, switcher so he can really
guard a. Guard ruey doesn't play D reeves as in.
(37:58):
Either so it's they're gonna have to outscore a lot of,
people And luca can do that with a team like this,
Though so it's gonna be interesting to see how it
all messes.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Out. MAN i just think he's gonna be on a.
Tear he looked.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Great yeah he got he had some some shoulders and
some STUFF i never even knew he, had never knew
he had
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Serious Conversation is something that happened in the NFL, well,
the NFL offices, and that would be yesterday. We had
the incident that occurred in the building which the houses
of some financial buildings as well as the NFL, and
so I want to give you I want to be
specific about the updates here what we know and then
(00:45):
kind of dive into just our thoughts about some things.
So you had again a shooting that occurred there a
gunman who went in the building and he unfortunately killed
four people ultimately killed himself as well. We know a
little bit more about him as well. Now he is
from His name is Shane Devon Tomorrow. He is twenty seven.
(01:08):
He's from He's originally from here, southern California, played high
school football here and then he went into this building
and then unfortunately unleashed on folks and as I mentioned forward,
dead he ultimately would kill himself. Now here's where it
kind of first of all thoughts, concerns, prayers for everybody involved.
What has come out since then in the investigation is
(01:29):
that it is believed that he was trying to get
into the NFL. They were on the higher floor. He
was trying to get up there. And then you start
to read about it. He had a suicide note in
his pocket, and in that note he said that he
was dealing with CTE. He went on to say that
he was disappointed in the NFL because they were lying,
(01:52):
they were keeping information. He had a documented mental health
history and this is what he said here. He said CTE,
and it caused me to drink a gallon of Vanni freeze.
Once he mentioned he went on to talk about his
own issues. And so he believes the NFL is at
fault for not giving all people all the information and
(02:14):
telling the truth about CTE. And so it is believed
that he was trying to get to that building. Obviously
he did not get there. So there's a lot to
get you here for me, and I want to start
with this again I'm definitely just a sad story. And
you hate to hear about this because a couple of
things for me carry one. I don't know him, didn't
(02:38):
know him, and if he may have been dealing with
some issues. I don't know if this to be true.
We know that he has a document of mental health history.
He says it comes from football and CTE and that
very well could be true. I don't know, but either way,
that's not how you handle things, right. Taking the lives
of others who had nothing to do with it is
(02:58):
not how you handle things. Killing people is absolutely not
how you handle things. But there is for me. I
want to switch from the incident into the conversation of
the NFL and CTE, and you know what, I look
at it as Carrie, The NFL is really like America's cigarette.
(03:20):
The NFL is like when you go bungee jumping or
you go skydiving. They tell you everything. Hey, they tell you, look,
this can do this, this can happen. Here are the dangers.
Use at your own, you know, discretion. And the NFL
for years was hiding things. Yes, right, the NFL wasn't
telling us about things. They weren't telling us about t
(03:43):
t they were trying to cover it up. But then
around two thousand and five information starts to come out.
Right around we start to hear more and more of
what it's doing to people. We started to hear more
folks stories, and we started to hear about the tragedies
that happened. We start to hear about the junior Seius
killing themselves, hard to hear about Andrea i Waters that
(04:03):
hurts himself and injures himself. When we start to get
this information about ct and it's real to the tune
of one of the biggest actors, biggest blockbuster actors, Will
Smith does a movie called Concussion. That's right now, we
see it, and you know, we can watch a movie
about it, and we can hear the stories and see
the truth, and yet we still tune in. Right Damar
Hamlin died on the field, We still watch and I
(04:26):
think I'm at a place where for me, the NFL
has no more hiding to do. They don't have to
hide anymore. Tell us everything here is exactly what can happen.
We're not hiding, we're not sugarcoating. We're telling you everything
we've ever found. We're telling you every inherent danger. You
know why, Carrie, why we are consumed. We don't care
(04:46):
if you see somebody die in the field. We're gonna watch, right.
We don't care about ct Guess who's signing up to play,
still said, parents sending them in their players.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Now we do know younger folks.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
The numbers have dropped a bit, but what you're seeing
is they're going into flag football preparing to then do
high school football more. But football participation is still high.
Viewership is crazy high. Guys are still making millions of dollars.
So to me, the NFL had none else to hide
about CTE, about any other thing, because they're in a
position where they can say, hey, we told you all everything.
(05:19):
We've given you, all the data, we've given you, all
the facts, we're giving you everything you do football is dangerous.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Here you go. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
And the only reason you they will not do that,
or they have not done what you just said, come
come completely clean, is there's still ongoing court cases and
things that are going against the NFL as far as
the CTE from the former players. And that's the part
where you cannot do it that way. Yes, and so
the shaddow that's cast by all of that is it's
(05:48):
still looming, and that's the part that you cannot do that.
And so I understand why that's not the case. Now
as far as you know, the shooting incident and the
shooter trying to go in and solve this problem by himself,
that's just not the way to do it. Absolutely, it's
only hurting yourself. It's hurting your family. It's hurting other
people's families that, like you said, had nothing to do
(06:09):
with this. Right, So that's a big no no. But
the crazy part about what you just said is people
are still going to consume this product. I don't think
there's anything that can be done that will cause that
to be the opposite.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I just had a call on the way over here
with a friend of mine asking me should I put
my ten year.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Old son in football? And you know what I said? Would?
I said? Let him play flag football? Again?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Like that's me. I'm somebody that actually went through the fire.
I played it, had plenty of concussions, had a concussion
in my first preseason game, knocked out cold, and because
I knew that I had to make the team, I
get back up and still play like that's my decision,
even though you're probably basing a lot of those things
and those decisions based off doctors and the team and
(06:53):
the NFL and all those things, and laying out the
stuff for you for your safety. You're also for your
livelihood to doing something that you've want to do your
whole life, and you know what the benefits of it
can be for you and your family. So there's there's
this thing where it's just very hard to kind of
be mad at the NFL with this and for somebody
to try to take some take matters into his own
(07:14):
hands and try to go course correct this thing.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's just not going to happen that way. It's not again,
and it's sad. Again.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
We don't know if that's what his issue was and
if he you know, but I do know look at
this so we know. Just to name some of these
junior saw Aaron hernandez Andre Waters, Dave Derrison, they all
had confirmed CTE. And when you start to look at
further into these numbers, it's absolutely it's astonishing what they found.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So look at this.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Two percent of the of the folks that they actually
have studied.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I take that back, it's nine hundred.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, I I've played in the NFL that they fit
that had it. It's fifth that had fifteen plus years.
Ninety nine percent of the brains that they have studied
had CTE. So the Boston University, who's been at the
epicenter of this, they've been leading this again, they had
three hundred and forty five brains at the three hundred
and three hundred and seventy six, and of three hundred
and forty five of them were former NFL players study
ninety two percent of them had CTE. And of those numbers,
(08:12):
that's where we get the ninety nine percent that play
fifteen or more had it. So you look at the
names we led, we talk about it, and to me,
that's why I said, it reminds me of cigarettes. Hey,
I'm telling you now, it can cause cancer. You can die,
or you can be sick or secondhand smoke. In this case,
it will be hurt to your family, pain that they
have to go through if you end up being having
(08:32):
these brain issues. People are still signing up. We're watching
at crazy numbers, We're attending at crazy numbers. Business is booming,
and that's just where we are. And the NFL has
pretty much survived anything. We know that they were lying
about ct We get the information about CTE, we get
a movie about CTE, and we still consume and we
watch it and you see the guy can kneel, and
(08:53):
people feel like, hey, he shouldn't be penalized because he's kneeled.
And Colin Kaepernick people are still watching. Domestic violence is
people are still watching. So if you're the NFL, you
have just putt your your there non position where they're king,
and we've just consumed. We're entrench It's entrenched in us
and we love it and it's not going anywhere. And
to me, that's why hearing this guy's story, don't know
(09:16):
if it's true. Horrific events, terrible events, terrible decision making.
No one deserved this, you know. But on the CTE
side of the conversation, to me, I think here we are,
say twenty years later from really becoming a conversation. I
don't think that we care. Yeah, I don't think that
we care. And I think that the NFL kind of
(09:38):
has gone.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Yeah, and it's a con And you know why, because
it's a conscious decision by everybody. So you're putting the
power in everybody else outside of the entity, outside of
the shield, right, we've we've we've confirmed it.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Whatever however much or.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Small or how big that that confirming was, it's been confirmed.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
So now it's up to you as a consumer, as
a player, it's up to you, like you know, the warnings.
Like you said, you talked about it perfectly well with
the cigarette analogy. I love that because the olden days
of TV, the olden days of film, the olden days,
the images that we saw was you know, with a cool,
like rustic looking actor with some Wrangler jeans and puffing
(10:20):
a cigarette and that was cool. Yeah, And so we
talked about the consumer consumerism when you look at the
product of the NFL, right for the most part, when
you look at that the things that they do on
the field, like we'll sit back and say, man, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yep. And so the correlation one hundred percent adds up.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
The one thing I'll say before we break here to
your earlier point, I was going to get to this
as well.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
We're talking about tet.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
My point was the NFL needs to just go ahead
and say, hey, I told you, lay it all out.
And the reason why, one of the reasons at least
why they have it is because they haven't paid out everyone.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, what you were saying earlier, they we found out
they were doing race based brain testing. We're finding out,
you know, that only certain people are being paid others aren't.
They're holding up the money to people who were thought
they were getting this money, Families who thought they were
getting money, whether he posthumously, or folks who were dealing
with it in real time, because just to make sure
(11:13):
for the folks are clear, you can't determine TT unless
someone is dead, just for those who maybe didn't know that.
But so there's a bunch that we find out that
so many players who have filed for the claims. Looking
at this, you got players who filed for TTE issues
with brain dementia and forty one at filed for dementia
cases based on their diagnosis from the doctors, and only
(11:35):
about fifteen percent were approved. So there's a lot going
on with how they're getting people their money. Who's getting
the money, And that's the issue to what you were
saying earlier, where they're still trying to keep quiet because
then they'll have to retroactively go back and take because
think about that guy retired of making it up seven
nineteen seventy seven, who is like, something ain't been right,
(11:55):
and his family's like, man, something just changed five ten
years after retire, Well now they kind of know. Now
you can put a name that's what it was, or
that's what he's dealing with in the NFL doesn't want
to does that. But I believe moving forward, the NFL,
you ain't even got a hide none.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
We are proven, We're all in. We are proven.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
It is a drug that America needs, America wants no
matter what the situation is. We arguing about politics, we're
working about kneeling, we' working about CTE, We're working about
domestic bonds, we're arguing about use of military and stuff. Again,
we don't matter. People want their NFL. Give me my
parlays and to me the NFL at this point, they
ain't got nothing else to hide because we have proven
(12:36):
we can't do without it as a society.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
There you go.
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Speaker 1 (13:53):
We've been talking about a particular quarterback, Yeah, who I
believe as ex mentally talent. We all talented, we all do.
But I believe there's some shortcomings and I need to
see something. But his coach is all In. I'll tell you.
We're talking about Justin Herbert. Here's what Jim Harbor had
to say about him.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
That is from the heart. This is the truth.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Justin Herbert's biggest weakness is all of those that he's
counting on on offense, coaches, offensive line, playmakers, receivers, running.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Backs to get up to his level.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
You know That's that's I wake up every day to
try to get.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
To his level.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
All right, Carrie, you're already said Jim Harball right there
is doing exactly what Jim Harball is supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Big up his quarterback. There you go.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
You know what, Jim Barbara also big up Colin Kaepernick,
Alex Smith, JJ McCarthy, talk about he's a ball.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
He's the best quarterback I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
And no, he's the best quarterback in the I am
from Ann Arbor, Michigan, home of University of Michigan. That's right,
rooting for JJ and in the Gold Blue Boys. But
when I tell you JJ McCarthy, we were all blown
away that he was a tenth pick. Really we all said, who.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
What quarterback?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Uh huh JJ McCart Oh you said he was a
tenth quarterback. Take I got you no top ten, top
wait players, top ten players. But Jim Harball puts on
his khakis and he gets to selling people. And that's
what's going on here. Now here's what I mean. Justin
Herbert is incredibly talented. That is not I mean, he's
literally if you're making it. We're talking about movies earlier.
If I'm making a movie and it's gonna be called
(15:30):
the quarterback, it's gonna be him. Six' five, hair looks,
good got the, face looks like he could be A
Southern california, quarterback you. Know and he's, big he's got
the big, arm he can throw it all. That, yeah
and he's been. Good he has been. Good but to
go to What Jim harball, said that's WHERE i draw an. Issue,
now some of that has Been staley was his, coach
(15:53):
and he was he was not a great. Coach we
all know That, yes everybody ain't meant to be a head.
COACH i doubt he'll get a chance. Again maybe, wrong
at least in THE nfl. Level Maybe i'm. WRONG i
don't see that Happening Brenda staley because the way he
handled himself in tight. Situations so maybe you want to
cut him slack for a year or. Two, okay you had,
that you were dealing with. That but my challenge with him,
is To Jim harvall's, point, well you know what great quarterbacks.
(16:16):
Do they elevate their teams in spite of it. All,
yes you got a bunch of. Backs your whole backfield
has Hurt Lamar. JACKSON a couple of years, back every
running back went. Down it was like a. Plague you
weren't allowed to have a running back still was able
to produce and and and you, know and make things.
Happen Right Patrick, Mahomes all your receivers go. Down he
(16:37):
was like he had a. Plague, yep still able to
go fifteen to two and get to the Super. Bowl
my point, is guys are gonna go. Down guys are
gonna be. In you're gonna have a receiver you thought
was gonna be. Great he's gonna be. Mid you're gonna
bring in a free agent who you, Thought oh my,
gods glad we got he's gonna be. Mid great quarterbacks
find a way to elevate their team no matter. What
they find a way to keep them in, games to win.
(16:59):
Games and that's Something Aaron rodgers didn't. Do despite if
you looked at the, numbers twenty eight, touchdowns eleven, interceptions
that was a good, season. Right, well, no that's why
his team was five and twelve because he didn't make
the play when he had. To And Justin herbert hasn't done,
that and nobody's saying he will. Never but if we're
keeping it real right, now that's what we want to
see from. HIM i want to throw some numbers. In
i'm thought to, You, kerrey real. Quick so in a
(17:22):
couple of games that, MATTERED i don't, know playoff. Games
you're playing The Jacksonville jaguars back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Three oh you going? Back OH i got to go.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
BACK i got to do it because he's a six
best quarterback according to the rankings that they put out
a week and a half. Ago, well he let a
guy who wasn't in that top Ten Trevor lawrence come
back twenty seven points to win the.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Game and that game.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Alone Got Trevor lawrence all the money and we all
thought he was the. Man, yep call it The Trevor lawrence.
Game call it THE i have the better hair. Game
and that's the game that got him. Paid what did he?
Do he didn't do. Bad two hundred and seventy three
yards Justin herbert. Right he had a, touchdown zero, Interceptions
he was sacked three, times but he gave up the. Lead,
(18:09):
yep you can't be you can't blow a twenty seven
to nothing Carry roads this. Year AND i just said to,
YOU i, Did you're that? Quarterback you can't do?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
That hey cut. Him slager was a couple of years.
Ago let's go to last.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Year you would say fourteen of thirty two to The
texans who were missing players all through the.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Year we were all wondering was wrong WITH. Cj Stroud and.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Then they had a chance in that. Game they kept
having chances to win. It they lose thirty one to
thirty and he throws four. Interceptions he kept, saying, HEY. Cj,
stroud do you want to?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Win here you.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Go passer rating of forty point nine sack four. Times
so my point is.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
He.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Can't you can't sell me on he's that guy WHEN
i haven't seen it when it mattered most and in crunch,
TIME i haven't seen it.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yet big, GAMES i haven't seen it. Yet in, PLAYOFFS
i haven't seen him. Yet can it come?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Maybe but right NOW i just want to finally see
The Justin herbert, job you, know keep selling me. On
the talent's, there the yards are there at times a
couple of, seasons you, know BUT i want to see.
More and AGAIN i name a few players they keep.
Doing Trevor. Lawrence they kept selling me On Trevor. Lawrence all,
Right i'm not saying he's, horrible BUT i want to see.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
It Justin. Herbert it's all, there take it to that next.
Level it's. Time everything you said it's. Accurate it's.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Time we've heard enough about him in the playoffs set, listen,
Listen we've heard.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Enough about who.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
He can, be supposed to. Be he's supposed to be
all the, intangibles everything you just. Named he needs to
win some playoff. Games he needs to win some big,
games and not because of the team stepping up to get.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Done, No, no it's about. You this conversation is About Justin.
Herbert his coach is doing the right, thing supposed to
taking the, heat you, know putting it on everybody.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Else except for that.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Guy because quarterbacks egos and who they are, internally it's
very it's very, fragile and MOST nfl players.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Are but the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
When everything's, good they're gonna get the. Praise when everything's,
bad they're going to catch it. Right and So Justin
herbert over this past, offseason he played that game he
just talked about in the. Playoffs they should not have
lost that game to The Houston. Texans The texans weren't
the same team they were the year, prior and so
they should have been able to win that game Off
Justin herbert, alone and he did not show. Up it's
(20:31):
time for him to show up and be the man
and lead this team and actually come out and be
a little bit more aggressive with who he is.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Too he's very.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Reserved he's very, calm AND i love that, about you,
know the leader of your team as a. Quarterback but
when is he going to show That Brett fahr, fight
That Peyton manning, fight That Tom brady. Fight there's an
element of being an elevated superstar at that quarterback position
that you have to have and sometimes you may not have.
It and some guys are going to be really good
quarterbacks and we'll be talking about him like Matt stafford
(21:02):
at the end of his. Career if that's if this
is the way it ends up right, now the way it's.
Heading a guy that couldn't get it done in one
spot maybe goes to another spot later on and gets
the right pieces and. Win but right, now that's who
he reminds me. Of we talked About Matthew stafford the same.
Way he was a guy that looked, great like if
you wanted to start AN nfl, quarterback a franchise, Quarterback
(21:24):
Matthew stafford would have been that guy when he got.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Drafted herbert's been that guy right.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Now he, is in my, mind the exact match of
Who Matthew stafford, is And Matthew stafford was better at
that time that we're saying these. Things so he has
a lot to. Prove this is his chance to do.
It he has a coach that believes In i'm a
quarterback friendly, coach has a. TEAM i think it's gonna
win that. Division this YEAR i think had the potential
to win that. Division let's go win. It let's go
(21:50):
win some games so we can really give him the
praise that everybody else has been getting them for a long.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Time the one Thing i'll say he has in his
favor IS i think What Jim harball is going to
do and continue to kind of create the team as
AND i think that's gonna be creating situations Where Justin
herbert can be himself but not have to be, everything
where he can, say all, right we're.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Gonna run the football more we saw that last.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Year Jim harbaugh is gonna continue to run that, football
and he's gonna continue to improve a, defense because If
Jim harbor ain't gonna do nothing, else, yes he's gonna
give you a, defense and he's gonna run the. Football
and THEN i think that will Enable Justin herbert to psychologically, Say,
Okay i'm gonna live And i'm gonna ump it.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Down we'll punt.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
It defense will give me the ball back and now
maybe this is the drive that you scored that big,
touchdown or he leads for that big field, goal or
whatever it may be THAT i think he's in a
better position now With Jim, harbaugh because, Again i'm gonna
sall him out little Bit i'm gonna Throw i'm gonna
throw them some. Ball With Brandon, Staley i'm throwing some
bail with. THAT i, agree because again that's Why i'm
Throwing caleb a little. Bit Caleb williams with his coach
(22:55):
and with The bears last year they had a handful
of Games they're, like coach will be, Doing.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Oh, yeah that was.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Bad, Yeah So i'm gonna throw him a little bell
when it comes to. That but All i'm gonna keep
saying is that's, cool show.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Me, no it's.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Time it's to shut up and show me. Time, yes
For Justin, herbert he's been in the league long. Enough
he's not a first, year second, year third. Year it's
that time, now and it's gonna be, hard and this
is What but this is what separates, you Right this
is what separates those quarterbacks because you are in a
conference that Is i've said, it nobody wants to hear
(23:29):
the lesser conference right, now but not when it comes
to the big name. Quarterbacks, yes you got the four,
horsemen if you, will we're really.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
One but the other.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Three you Got Patrick, mahomes you Got Joe, Burrow Josh,
Allen Lamar.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Jackson are you? Next is It Aaron? Rodgers is IT. Cj?
Shroud is It Justin? Herbert you? Know is It?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Gino point, being it's time for you to want to
compete and get in that mix.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Of those four hundred percent. AGREE i mean he has
talent to do. It we know that we need to see.
It he has a team, that's like you, said it's
better constructed to win. Now they can run the, ball
they can play, defense they can limit other teams. Possessing
so you, know you don't have to go out and
force yourself to throw for five hundred yards and seven
(24:16):
touchdowns to, win like you have a more.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Balance that was him last.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Year, yes last year you're looking at carry almost thirty
nine hundred, yards twenty three, touchdowns only three. Interceptions they
ran the ball, out they were lied on their, defense
and they were able to move get obviously to the
tune of a playoff. Appearance, yeah and that's what you,
want you, know BUT i need you to make those
game winning.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Plays And i'll keep giving you. Examples Russell wilson when
he was in his. Prime that's what he. Did, yeah
can make that game winning.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Play Patrick, Mahomes, hey that ain't my best year last,
year you, know but putting it on a resume. Tape
we're not gonna put last, year but we are going
to put a handful of plays winning. Plays oh, yeah
third and, five use his legs or make the proper,
play hit a, guy keep the drive.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Going third.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Down he led the league in thir down Conversions Patrick
Mahomes ultimately fifty three percent of his were first. Downs,
ultimately that's all matters with. Quarterbacks DID i get this
the first? Down did we move the? Ball did whether
it be just time with. Possession maybe we didn't get
points out of, it but, dange we got another two
to three minutes out of the.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Game That, yeah, no that part right.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
There BUT i do want to, say after all this
that we said About Justin, herbert it's true he needs
to step. Up it's his time to be that that
alpha guy and lead them to the big. Wins his
supporting cast does need to step up.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Out i'm Not i'm not. Disagreeing so LET'S i want
to put that out there for the. Listen they, do they.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Do that's WHY i think Having Jim harball creating an
actual a, system a, style a game plan around him
is going to help him and the. Team, also what
didn't help him's, Going, okay got my dog, Back Big,
Mike Big mike, said big. Psych Mike williams, Like i'm.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Out you just got. Here that he hit him with the.
Magic i'm not even gonna be.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Here that.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Counts look. Good why you hit Up? Robdie why hit
him with the? Magic you just got?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Back were, excited you, know got, Familiarity he got a
big receiver. Back it didn't work out In pittsburgh with
The jets and on that and welcome, Back Big mike
hit him with the. League, course so not so, fast
not so. FAST i, know justin on the phone with
him right, now there was SOMETHING i, said what just?
Happened you know he probably got. There Jim harbaugh was
(26:24):
So Jim, harball here you, go, buddy and patting him
on the bag and who.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
He was, Like, No i'm gonna go ahead and call it.
Career i'm gonna go ahead and call it. Career that's.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
It how many years Did mike william Play you, Know
i'm off the top Of i'm gonna go, eight say,
eight what do you?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
THINK i think a? Two, yeah But i'm not sure
it's somewhere around, that. Right. Yeah twenty seventeen he came in. Both.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah twenty, seventeen uh, crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Biggest year for, him had a couple of good with
twenty nineteen he had a thousand, yards twenty twenty one
he had eleven hundred, yards and then the year twenty
twenty two he had almost nine, hundred but that left
to be desired two hundred and forty, nine one hundred
and thirty, two one hundred and sixty. Six last, year
maybe it was that.
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Speaker 3 (27:20):
Live all, Right so there's a.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Piece there's an article That dave m mcminimu OF espn
did and it kind of talks About bronnie and where
he is right now and kind of what the expectations
are going into year two for. Him and the title
Inside Bronnie's james is year two development with The. Lakers
and if you read through a couple of, things you
just learned real quick you learn That bronnie obviously Through Summer,
(27:43):
league he said he's not a fan of, it not
so much to. Competition he loves the, competition but he
doesn't like all The vegas stuff that goes on with.
It he just kind of wants to hoop and that
be that had a couple of solid, outings had some
not so, desirable including the one Against Cooper. Flag not
a great outing for him in a sense of big
time scoring or anything like, that BUT i did like
(28:04):
that he looked like he wanted to smoke, defensively wanted
the Guard Cooper.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Flag love.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
That so the question, Becomes carrie With, bronni what exactly
are folks? Expecting and can he CRACK Jj reddick's rotation still,
overcoming you, know getting past that heart condition still a
couple years. Ago can he jump into being in the
rotation and getting some actual meaningful. MINUTES i look at
it like this With. Bronni bronni's in a great situation
(28:29):
for a chance to do. That And i'll tell you,
Why and that's BECAUSE i don't think The lakers drastically
improve their. Roster and when you look at what THE
nba currently, is this isn't the days of you got
your five star as a six man and maybe one
other guy and that kind of is that you roll
it out.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
There you look at the better teams right.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Now these teams are, Deep these teams are DOING i
said it a lot during the. Postseason you're seeing a
lot of line. Changes, yep like hockey pacers were thrown
in three four other guys at a, time boom, boom boom.
Boom you look at the Way minnesota was Swarming yoki's
a couple of seasons, ago and just the way they
do it bringing a bunch of. Guys you look at The,
pistons a bunch of younger. Guys you look At Houston,
(29:10):
rockets a bunch of guys, right just waves of, young,
athletic energetic guys coming at. You and, then of, course
So Oklahoma City, thunders who are currently the reigning. Champs
SO i think The lakers put themselves in a position
Where bronnie they might have to rely on ten twelve
minutes a, game you, know thirteen fourteen minutes a game From,
bonnie just simply as a can you be the, Energizer?
(29:33):
Bunny you're twenty, twenty twenty years. Old we need all
the energy we can. Get we need all the guys
who can. Go you, see what did you see a
lot in the? POSTSEASON a lot of ninety four? Feet,
yeah teams were pissons were checking The knicks ninety four.
Feet you got The thunder checking people ninety four, feet
The pacers checking, faces and YOU i feel like The
lakers haven't done, enough aren't deep enough to kind of just,
(29:56):
say you, know, hey we Can you're not requiring that
From Luca Marcus, smart who is a good.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Defender when he's.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Healthy he's only played fifty four games in the last
couple of, seasons so you don't really know what you're
gonna get from. Him and Then Austin reeves is not
a guy you want to have out there going, crazy you,
know garden people ninety four.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Feet he's an okay. Defender people pick on him a.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Lot so to, me that is his best way to
absolutely try his, best to be a, dog to be a,
pest to be an annoyance on the defensive. End now
you're still learning only your second, year didn't play a
lot last year at, All so he's gonna get cooked at.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Times you know WHAT i? Mean when you like he
got cooked last year Geting Tyrese. Max he's An All.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Star so you're gonna have times where these garden guys
who are gonna still say continue to say welcome to THE.
Nba BUT i absolutely don't think that The lakers have
enough to just to neglect. Him there's gonna be times
where they're gonna have to, Say, bronnie we need ten
twelve real minutes out of, you simply based off Because
luca's gonna have a night. Off lebron is about to
be forty, one really like fifty one if you consider
(30:56):
all the postseason runs he's gonna. Miss SO i just
think The lakers are not in a position to say, No.
BRONNIE i think he's gonna absolutely have some. Games it's
a nice period where they're gonna have to rely on,
him not saying he's gonna be, excellent not saying they're
gonna get amazing minutes all the. Time but the but
the the desire for him to play is are the
need for him to. PLAY i think he's gonna have
(31:18):
to be there from time to time because they don't
have enough enough young.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Lakes is it realistic to Expect bronnie to crack The lakers'. Rotation,
yes but with that being, said that means they're not
in a good. Place he's not ready to be a
regular rotational.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Guy.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Right i'm looking at their their guys right, now and
if you look just their nine, deep THAT i think
their nine deep will. Be you Got, smart you Got,
luca you got, lebron you Got La, rabia you Got,
aighton you Got, ruie you Got, reeves you Got, vincent
and then you know that last spot connect or? Him,
Right like in, theory that's probably what it would. Be
on any given a, night you're gonna need all ten
(31:55):
of those guys to. Play so what you're saying and
what they're stating in this article is. Correct but if
he he's one of those guys you're expecting to come
in and can give you twelve minutes of super productive,
BASKETBALL i don't know if that's happening. Right SO i
think what this says for me WHEN i look at
this this, statement AND i think it will be. True
The lakers still need some help and they still need some.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Depth and WHAT i gather from this is he's gonna
be able to get some minutes because they need him in.
Again all the guys you just, named, yep a lot
of them are either bigs or big Ish ruie Even
Dalton connects is now he's not a big but like
he's not guarding. Faster, yeah Like vincent would be the
only Day vinchen is one of the only guys who
kind of can you, know smaller pests can get in
(32:37):
there and mix things.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Up so they're GONNA i think they're gonna Need.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Branny but, AGAIN Jj reddick talked about he's gonna have
to be in great shape and he's gonna have to
be in tip top shape to be able to do.
That cause again it might say that's ALL i need from,
you go, lockdown go be. Annoying and he's got a
long way to, go and he's got the right person
there to teach him That Marcus. Smart, yeah When Marcus
smart got The, boston he was a scored in, college
(33:00):
put up a lot of. Points his role wasn't that
when he got The. Boston it was to be a,
pest to be a defensive.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Guy and that's what he. Was and he Has smart
there now he needs to learn everything That smart. Nos
so that's a great that's a great point. There so
what do you brought.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
To WHAT i hear from this is The lakers are
gonna be as most teams are With.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Luca they're gonna be Very luca.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Dependent AND i Think luca coming out that men's health
article being in great. SHAPE i think they're because you
look at, it they're not as. Deep they have, players
but they're not in the same type of the. System
isn't like some of these other, teams young, energetic go
get it The pistons of The, Rockets orlando a bunch of, young,
hungry go getty. Guys they don't have that per. Se
(33:43):
they gotta they got some guys who can play ru
we can play at, times you know you maybe sometimes
you want More Usin reeves has been, solid for. Sure
he's police found his, role his niche in the, league
and it's probably bought himself six more years in the,
league without a. Doubt but they don't they don't have
that thing. YET i don't think The lakers have found
their identity, Yet like we're absolutely at, This, yeah this
is what we. Are and all the other teams that are,
(34:04):
contenders you, know the six or seven, teams maybe three or,
two you, know three or four from kind of each.
Conference they know what they. Are you know what the thunder,
are you know what the rockets. Are gonna be, energetic fast,
paced harder nor defense and In kadi you can get
us a bucket and crunch time when we need and
you know what the nuggets.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Are AND i have no.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Idea if they have an idea who their starting five
is going to. Be that's gonna be the most critical
thing with this team because obviously you look at, it
you would think you bring Over. Smart luca's not a,
defender So smart's gonna, start, right So smart's gonna play the,
point and you know in, theory or be the other
Guard Luca lebron and, SEE i Think La rabia and
(34:44):
agents to start and Bring ruy as that secondary ball
handler off the bench to let him go eat and so,
LIKE i want to see how they make this thing.
Work AND i think that's the first. Step we need
to know what the lake and that's. Problem that's gonna
be one of the THINGS Jj reddick has to. Do
figure out a row t because that's the thing They
darvin ham didn't have.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
It he was hands in his.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Pockets Ham hams make you dance he was hands in
his pocket and THEN jj thought he had it master
going into last. SEASON i figured it, out here's the best.
Road this is the rotation that wins a bunch of.
Games and he had to start twitching things around. Him and,
then you, know in trying to figure that. Out BUT
i go back To. Luca, luca we read he's in,
shape he looks. Good and to me and you being
(35:27):
a you, know math, fan and you can kind of
react to, this but this Is luca's very, good very
very good to great. Moment this is his chance to
go for, Oh luca absolent, man lucas one of the
ones to being. No one of the all time. Ones to,
me this is where he has a chance to take
it to the next. Level we see the difference in his.
Physique we see and this isn't just a WHO i
(35:50):
worked out a little bit over the, Summer, no this
is you can tell that is a mind set, change eating,
diet eating diet and having a motivation for the first
time in his. Life somebody didn't want him for the
first time in his. Life somebody was, like, no we
good on.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
You yep.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
No BUT i was ALL nba, fo, NO i know
but we good on. You, YEAH i dragged the team
in the, FINALS i, know but you can. Go, YES
i get buckets. ON i scored seventy some points IN
i know peace Right and for the first, Time luca
doneons felt that sting OF i ain't want, It and
NOW i think that added. Motivation he's getting in. Shape
(36:24):
people keep forgetting he was nicked up a. Little he
was nicked up throughout the season last. Year seems to
be in better, shape better. HEALTH i think that's what
you're gonna, see a heavy dose Of. Luca they're going
to be heavily relying on, him and he's gonna be
out on a. Mission AND i Think i'm telling You
i'm not a betting, man BUT i will almost put
some money on him IN mvp right. Now oh if
you got a few. Hundred you, Know i'm not telling you.
(36:45):
Anybody this Ain't Shekel, city but dang, it Because LUKE
i think he is for a. Vengeance luca already take
things personally and go at he. Takes and now you
telling Me i'm not good, enough you can go and
you want eighty six years old or always, injured and that's.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Who you want over.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Me.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Okay oh, YEAH i just, SO i was just about
to close on this. House uh, Huh, okay got bounced
out the first. Round didn't look, great he did, not
And edwards at all we had all the smoke was
walking around Figure aura out here In la walking around
with fans.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Tight, Hey i'm just hanging WITH la. Fans.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
YEAH i think all of that adds to an amazing
season on the way From. Luca and but they're gonna
be heavily relying upon, him and again they don't have
to me the defensive structure and the bunch of guys
who are defensive minded to WHERE i THINK browni might
have to be, used even if you're looking down you,
GO i really didn't want, to but almost have.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
To THAT'S i, mean it's a good. POINT i mean
their roster isn't built that, way. RIGHT I, mean the
only one THAT i see as real defenders on this
list is. SMART i, Mean lebron can play, defense, Obviously
ayton at his, best the shot, blocker. REBOUNDER i wouldn't
say he's like an elite, switcher so he can really
guard a. Guard ruey doesn't play D reeves as in.
(37:58):
Either so it's they're gonna have to outscore a lot of,
people And luca can do that with a team like this,
Though so it's gonna be interesting to see how it
all messes.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Out. MAN i just think he's gonna be on a.
Tear he looked.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Great yeah he got he had some some shoulders and
some STUFF i never even knew he, had never knew
he had
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