August 6, 2025 • 41 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend hosts Martin Weiss and Bucky Brooks are in for Rob and Kelvin, and the guys tell us why it's crazy to suggest that Shedeur Sanders is being sabotaged by the Cleveland Browns, discuss where Jerry Jones went wrong in his contract negotiations with Micah Parsons, and explain why the Buffalo Bills are wise not to be solely focused on beating the Kansas City Chiefs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Bucky, you have more NFL experience in your pinky toe
then I will ever experience in my entire life.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Maybe maybe, maybe maybe not. It's not always guarantee you.
Pinky toe is small and you know what, I'm thirty five.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Maybe I got a future ahead of it.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
You never know. The Saints draft of the twenty five
year old quarterbacks, I know, yes, you never know.
Speaker 6 (00:46):
There's always a chain to fully guaranteed contract, all right,
But from what as far as I can tell, in
the NFL, there's a few different ways that you can
get a job, right.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
You can either win that job out, like through just
being better than the other person who's ahead of you
in that position. That person who's ahead of you in
that position can get hurt or do something disciplinary to
where they're no longer they're suspended for that game. Then
all of a sudden you step in, you have three interceptions,
(01:18):
and all of a sudden that person is now demoted.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Right, Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Mo Lewis Hits Drew bledshow, Tom Brady late round pick
walks into the Foxborough and history after that. Right, you
see this all the time. Kirk Cousins was a fourth
round draft pick in Washington who in the same draft
where a guy was drafted with the in the first
round with RG three RG three right, ended up Kirk
(01:48):
Cousins is the guy that ended up getting the multiple
and obviously to get a long term but the multiple
franchise taxs he got paid in Washington and then went
on to have the long career, the last one I
can think of that Prescott was not a starter in
the NFL and until Tony Romo's back hurt ah, and
then once Tony Romo's back stopped hurting, Tony Romo was
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then a backup. So when I peruse the Internet and
Elon Musk's Twitter and the various sports television shows, and
I see people of repute saying that Dion Sander, I
mean Shador Sanders is being sabotaged because he is getting
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the opportunity to start Friday. It doesn't necessarily square with
what I believe to be true. But again, I don't
have a lot of NFL experience. Am I NFL experience?
Your NFL experience pales a comparison to mine. Is this
a possibility sabotized? That sambatized is an interesting word.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Like, break that down for me.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
If you so the the way did I see it
the way the reports have come out? Can you pick
is dealing with the hamstring injury? Dylan Gabriel is also
dealing with the hamstring injury. Joe Flacco is the presumptive.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
So he's got an injury when he gets out of
the bed.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But they want him to be the starting quarterbacks, so
they want to keep him available. Well, if the other
two guys are down, that moves Shadur Sanders up. So
it's not a to me, it's not a sabotage situation.
It's a tremendous opportunity National TV. Everyone's been clamoring to
see him. Whether you love him or hate him, everyone
wants to see him. He has an opportunity to kind
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of change some of the narrative around him and his
game if he shows up and shows out, because now
he creates a conversation that they have to deal with
in the building because if he plays well, that conversation
now comes inside the building because everything at the pressor
is going to be always he compete for the job,
right is he that? So to me, this is a
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great opportunity. To me, is actually a no lose situation
for Shudur Sanders.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Okay, break that.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Why you say it's a no lose situation because I
definitely see a way that there could be losses here.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Now there's no lose. So he comes in.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
He was fourth on the depth chart already, right, he
was the fifth round pick, so he's the last one
to the table. So if he falters, then everyone is like, well,
this is why we took him in the fifth round
because he wasn't better than Dylan Gable in the third?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Can he pick up? Was a free agent and Joe
Flacco is to whatever?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
So that that's worst case, that's where he started.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
He wasn't getting rest with the ones anyway. Okay, I
see what he's saying.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Why what if he plays right and plays well, now
it changes the pecking quarter a little bit, and it
puts more pressure on the other guys to play well.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Because that's the thing that I find too. There's two
things here that I find that I think that people
missing this conversation. The first one is Joe Flacco is
the starter. He has been named the starter, if not
already officially named the starter. He who could write it
(05:00):
in pen They just haven't turned the card in yet.
You know what it's like, seriously, And the only reason
why is because the deadline hasn't come. He's the starter,
you know, Hawaii know he's the starter because he doesn't
have to compete like everybody else does. That's how you
know he's the starter. When the starter can go, he's
gonna be our guy. Now they've decided that that guy
is Joe Flacco for what hey whatever, I just I'm
(05:23):
reporting the facts, the facts now. If it's and I'll
say if it's true, I'm not debating the reporters. I'm
just saying like this, in this scenario, right, if it's true,
he's not getting any reps with the ones at practice.
It seems to me that the best opportunity, and honestly,
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maybe the only opportunity that shit door Sanders would have
to make this roster as a backup quarterback as the
two is in preseason games on because if it's happening,
it apparently is not getting the opportunity in practice earned
(06:09):
sabotaged whatever right for whatever reason, when they got how
many guys they got out there, like seventy five now
or so, like out of those ninety guys, they've decided
that if three people they'd rather be playing quarterback before him,
now they're not available. This is the But the conversation
(06:29):
if he comes out and just does I say, just does,
like I could go out there and do it. But
he goes out there and plays like Trey Lancet in
the first half, that conversation is going to Monday morning
is going to be the front page of the Cleveland
Plain Dealer, is going to be send Joe Flack on
to carpool Lane. I want this guy to be my
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starting quarterback, right and that puts the pressure on now.
I really only think he really has to play better
in this competition than Dylan Gabriel, right like I think
like cause they're kind of fighting again for that third spot.
And I get where you're saying It's a no lose
situation because going to play four, Lea's in the same
spot he's in. That's the spot I feel like he's in.
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They're fighting for that third spot in Cleveland. It's kind of,
in my opinion, keeping their fingers crossed that somebody would
call them and be like, I will offer you a
sixth rownd pick for Kenny Pickett. You know, I'll offer
you a seventh thrown pick for Kenny Pickett. Yeah, So,
I mean the there definitely is that ten the makes.
Prior to Kenny Pickett's injury, I felt like there were
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two quarterback competitions going on, not one. It was between
Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco to be the starter, and
then who's going to be QB two between Dylan Gable
and Shoulder Sender. Right, my expectation is both of the
rookies are gonna make the team. Dylan Gabriel, you draft
them in the third round. You're paying them too much
to cut them right out the gate. Suduru Sanders, if
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you were going to cut them, you're not gonna be
able to entertain the possibility of bringing them back to
the practice well, because somebody else will snatch them up, sure,
because now all these stuff, the draft stuff is done,
like now you can take him and just like he's
a bargain basement deal, he's in the system now. So
also to that point real quick, the salary cap number,
not the nerd out at quarterback is so great for
(08:14):
the Browns with the Sean watching that that also is
just heavily as son of my reason to keep two
rookiy contracts.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Two small ones.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Joe Flacco's on a one year, Like, I mean, it's
it makes sense for them to be like we're gonna
go with an older guy and then two younger guys, right,
and for Kenny Pickett or whoever loses between those guys,
somebody hopefully will call because inefinitely there's going to be
an injury in the preseason, somebody's going to need some
depth or someone underperforms or whatever, and so that'll create
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an opportunity for them someone to trade Cleveland for one
of the older quarterbacks, which is what they were likely
hoping for when they got through the draft.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Right and so and but the thing here what I
find now, tell me if this is off base, because
I don't think it is, but one of the things
they talk about, like an NBA summer league. It's like, oh,
you're really auditioning for all the teams, Like you might
play for the Magic on Thursday and then get waved
and then by Friday year now shooting up for the
Heat like type of deal in the summer league, and
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it was because you're trying to get a spot into
the league. Shit Doorge Sanders obstensibly is trying out for
everybody always on Friday, and it's gonna be like it'll
be the highest out, go out and the lim it'll
be the highest rated preseason at least first half and
ten years, right like like without a doubt, Like people
are gonna be locked into this, yes, and so every
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like not just us, but fans, haters, media and everybody
like y'all scouts looking for another arm. And when I
see him, like when I saw him in college, I
did not see a fifth round pick. Now, I also
want to get paid to evaluate talent, but I didn't
see a fifth round pick. I thought it was a
stretch at first, but like third round felt right, so
(09:55):
it's worst.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Yeah, So to me, I saw him as a bottom
of the first round talent. I thought, look, I.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Assume and still believe that he's gonna be the best
of all the ones in the class. That's what I
felt like when I watched him in Colorado. I continue
to feel that way. I won't I won't get off
of that.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Well, that's not that's not a hot like it may
sound hot, but it's really not.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm just saying like, based on what every coach and
everyone has always talked about. They talked about two things
that are really important at quarterback, accuracy and decision making.
And to me, he was best in show in Acrecy
and decision making. Arm Talent is not what caam Ward's
was or some of the other guys, athleticism isn't what
some of the other guys. But in terms of doing
the things that everyone has told us our most important
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to the success at quarterback, he does those things really well.
And not that we're counting stats in training camp or whatever,
but people have said he's been on the mark in
training camp, So my expectation is if he's been on
the mark playing with threes and fours against the two
defense or whatever, he's gonna play against the twos and
threes in the preseason game. He should look won't say great,
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but he should be looking really really good based on
how he's performed. He's playing against backups, vanilla coverages, he
should be My expectation is he's gonna play really really
well against that because it's gonna be very vanilla static
looks nothing crazy.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Okay, So take me inside the mind of the coaches
front office as they're watching him Friday night. What are
they looking for to see? Okay, this is an improvement?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Oh what? Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
He missed this, So that's why we're knocking him down
a peg, Like, how can he raise his status on
the depth chart Friday night even though those guys are hurt.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Well, here's what I say.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
The most movement that you'll see on the depth chart
is after this game. And it's because everything that we've
done prior to this in the offseason, OTA's MENI caamp workouts.
That's all great in shorts, but now we're playing real ball,
and in real ball, people change, some people show up,
some people fall back, and so this is a chance
for him if he shows up for people to be like,
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oh he is a legit baller, like he literally can play,
and that will change the nat and that will start
the reconfiguring in the tweaking of the depth chart. Because
remember there are only three preseason games, so this.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Is a big one.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
The last one is not even really ad dress rehearsal.
The second one is the dress rehearsal. So he has
an opportunity to head a stage to him. Say, he
may play the whole game, right, he may play the
entire game, and so he has the entire stage to himself.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
That is significant for him. If he's able to show
and proof.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
That's that's what That's the way I take it, and
it I thought it was that I saw people saying
that this was sabotaged because you had in practice with
those guys, and I'm got to.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Figure you gotta figure it out now that some of
this is you got to figure out because guess what
if you're a backup quarterback in the National Football League, Exactly,
you don't get many reps in practice.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Exactly, make it four or five.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Starter goes down, Hey, get up, you ready, and you
have to figure out how to operate, how to go,
how to make this work. And this will be I mean,
he's lucky that he has a few days to prepare
his mind for being the starting quarterback. Most guys don't
get that when you're the backup. So this is we'll
get a chance to see how he handleson.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I mean, you know, I watched Baker Mayfield be a
Carolina Panther on Monday and win a game and lose
me a bet for the veager for the Rams.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Because you went to the Rams and you didn't bet
on them. You didn't think, no way, Baker Mayfield is
gonna come off the streets.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
You know what, Bucky, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I don't consider myself a great handicapper, but I am
pretty good, you know what. But I silly me. I
thought that, Well, the other team's quarterbacks only been on
the team for two days. The team that's had the
quarterbacks is training camp should probably win, mm hmm. But
then I forgot they were coached by Josh McDaniel. That's
(13:54):
what did.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Here's a lot of Super Bowls, understand, Yeah? How many
was he the head coach for? I mean? Whoops.
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Speaker 3 (14:46):
You'll see several of these type of videos floating around
that YouTube because this is a hotly contested topic of discussion,
not just in the media, but apparently between both principal parties,
Jerry Jones and Michael Parsons. Ding Ding Ding Ding, or
as I like to deem it, Jerry Versus Salary Cap
Part three. So we're now the third installation of those
(15:08):
recent Jerry Jones Versus Salary Cap with Dak Prescott and c. D. Lamb,
and now we're at the Michael Parsons iteration. But this
one has gone further in turn, not necessarily in length,
but in acrimony because Michael went full NOTESAP and generally
you should never go full notes app no, but at
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this one, I was like, you know what, the guy might.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Got a point, shouldn't go full NOTESAP. Didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I didn't know that well because and I say that
kind of ingest but honestly, and I saw some people
kind of speculating, do you think that Michael wrote this
whole thing?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
And then people kind of like, you can't write you
graduated from Vince State.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Well, no, that's just saying you think Michael wrote the
whole thing. And I thought, and I don't say this
to make a to make light of it. I think
he absolutely did. Because there were some like grammatical mistakes
that you would make if you were like shooting off
a text message right that you know, I should say,
the more mistakes, more grammatical, I'm not really caring about.
I'm getting this off of my chest. It's like this
(16:08):
is from the heart and it tracks to me in
a way because Michael Parsons since joining the Cowboys, has
been star on the chest. I am a Dallas.
Speaker 9 (16:22):
Cowboy favorite team coming up through and through, Like yeah,
like I'm a fan of the Cowboys and I love
being a Cowboy and has been, for lack of a
better terminent ambassador for the Cowboys throughout his rookie deal.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
And in the note that he put out on Twitter Friday,
he said he approached Jerry two years ago for a
deal no interest. I can get that from the Cowboys side.
We got to take care of our quarterback. We gotta
take care of our receiver, says they approached. He approached
again in last offseasons, say okay, I get it. We
still gotta we gotta take every We gotta take every
You're next, right, you're coming up, You're down the line.
(16:58):
You when it's your turn, will take care of you. Well,
now it's his turn. You know how I know it's
his turn because when you go to the Wikipedia page
of his draft and you look down the list, there'll
be a little cross that says Pro Bowl right next
to the guys who make the Pro Bowl. Everybody in
the first round has made the Pro Bowl on that
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list is now on their second contract, except for Michael Parsons,
who arguably is the second the best or second best
or third best player out of that class. That's how
I know it's time. That's how Miken knows this time.
And that's how most importantly of all, apparently David Mullagetta
knows this time. Who is a man who I know,
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not personally, but you know how I know it was.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
When j C.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Horn signed his deal because I look back, I said, dog,
because you know all the all the insiders. Now, of
course they have to tell David muligtta athletes first, nobody,
Bill Duff, you c AA or whoever, by whoever, by whoever,
David mud again, it gets his numbers. He he read
every every almost every one of his clients gets something.
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Jacy On highest paid, this, Stingley highest paid, that, most guaranteed, this,
most guaranteed, that there's a framework of that deal, and
you look at it, you like, yo, damn. It kind
of honestly reminds me of when Rich Paul started moving
through the NBA and.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
It was like, Yo, who got what?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And I'm not saying he's a bad player, but it's like, damn,
he's like, oh, David is cracking heads.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Over there, cracking He's making it happen.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And so with all of that, you take what Jerry
said just recently and I.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Was just like, I was just like I was. I
was gobs backed when.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I heard somebody who has this much experience in this
business respond to reports and questions about this in this way.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
Let's talk about the negotiations real quick. It's my understanding
nothing was put in writing. So how would you describe
a deal getting, so to speak, done and then walked
away from.
Speaker 11 (19:05):
I bought the Dallas Cowboys with a handshake. Took about
thirty seconds, and I gave the number, shook hands. The
details we worked out later. As a matter of fact,
one of the details involved a lot of money and
we had to flip a.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Coin over that.
Speaker 11 (19:20):
But the fundamental I'm buying and you're going to sell
it to me for that range, that's done, and those
are done with eye contact and handshake. So was there
Just so you understand why I the way that I
communicate with people that I negotiate with. So let's leave
it at that. There is no question that in the
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case of a player or contract, you have to have
it in writing. All parties do we have a contract
in writing, yet we're still talking about renegotiating it.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
So so much for that, So.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
But ask you fundamentally, as Jerry said, the fund of metal, Yeah,
part of that deal. Who's off here, because to me,
it sounds like the old man one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I don't know. It sounds like the old man is office.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Sounds like he thought that he had a handshake agreement
a this is what is going to be to be
like around this much if you go with this, like,
let's let's get it done. We'll take care of the
particulars later, loop your agent in and YadA, YadA, YadA.
And now even a few other deals that have gone
down that have changed the money for those guys TJ.
(20:35):
Watt well over forty million dollars. Michael wants to make
sure he's in that or above that ballpark, that that
ranged that figure. So maybe it put a pause on
what he was ready to agree to because.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
The numbers changed.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
When you're Jerry Jones, and I'll say this, maybe maybe
the Cowboys aren't as high on Micah the personality as
they are the player. And when you give a strong
personality like that the money, now you give him a
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platform where he not that he hijacks the franchise, but
he comes the unquestioned leader of the team, where you
want him to be the leader or the representative of
a team or not.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
You know, this is the first I've heard of this,
Like for obviously, consume a ton. This is a fascinating angle.
I had not considered one bet.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
So here's where here's where you have to go back
to go back to. Remember Michael Parsons was a twelfth
overall pick in the draft class. Yeah, when we look
back at the names that went ahead of him, you're like,
they gotta go ahead of him. Where there was some
conversation about him, not moral character, but just football character, personality.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
How does he feel? He's loud, he's boy, Yeah, he's
all that. Like he can be. You can be a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You're not worried about him in society, but in your
locker room he can.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
And you've seen him be like he has this podcast,
he has all this other stuff whatever. So you have
to be ready to deal with that. And a lot
of times in league circles, in locker room circles, they say,
whatever the person is, it's gonna be times ten when
you give him a bag. And so when you give
him the bag and you give him all of that
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with this, now mushrooms and escalates and becoming even bigger
personality in the locker room and are you okay with that?
And if you're not okay with it, then you do
what the Cowboys are doing. You slow play this out
because there's no leverage for Michael Parsons when it comes
to holding out in those things, right, sure like that,
the CBA made it where it's prohibitive for someone to
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hold out. So if the Cowboys try to dribble this out,
what recourse does Mica have.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Well, since to the point he's already committed, he's already
shown up, so he can't if he goes home for
longer than five days, then basically he's right back in
the situation he's in again next year.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
He's right, So, now, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It's it gonna be Chris Jones sitting up there with
the good Fellows on Sunday Night Football a couple of
years ago, Like, is that what he's gonna do? Like,
there's really not what he can.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
And Chris told everybody they cost him a lot of money, right,
he didn't get that money back even when he did
his deal.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
So okay, so he stuck, so he has to play
this out. Well, even things like okay, I'll just played
the deal out, and I'd be fraid to know you
won't because now we put your franchise tag on.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I'll play that out. Oh we put another one on you.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
So now they've held him up for three years on
his back and to the first year franchise tag would
not be that it would be pretty comparable to what
he's making on his rookie deal, because that crazy that
the average is not.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
The top is high, but the average is not. That
second franchise tack.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Over what it is. But then yeah, it would be big.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
But then the Cowboys be like, yeah, well we got
you now, so they still kind of have him. And
there was conversation in the past about with the Cowboys
trade him, looking to trade him, all those other things.
It just appears to me that the Cowboys dragged the
feet with everybody, Dak Prescott, Ezekiel, Elliott and everyone comes
time to pay, they dragged If this is what makes
(24:10):
this one feel different to me part respectfully, I did
not hear no reports about how Dave Jerry Jones, who
was like what's.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
His name, Tyler Tyler Italy or Todd Franz who's Dak's agent,
Like I didn't hear none of it, like like no,
Like okay, so I get you, but like no, Dak
Todd Francis Cia went and called Jerry Jones and and
sure they did the deal drag out.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I'm sure if we subpoened the phone records, there's probably
multiple phone calls back and forth between the Frisco, Texas
and wherever the hell Todd Franz works at. But for
all the reporting we've heard about this one, apparently the
cowboys and David would have got it, got the other
on block because they're not calling each other, nobody's talking.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
To nobody talk Right now, we're just trying to figure
it out. Like eighteen months, we haven't really engaged in
the discussion. At some point they'll get to the table
and they'll talk and they'll figure out what needs to
be done. But right now, I think Jerry enjoys the
sport of negotiation. I don't know if you've ever been
(25:19):
out with someone who just loves to argue. They just
love to like box back and forth, or that one
of their homeboys love it. Just bro like we don't
have to argue about everything. I feel like Jerry Jones
dead gay he loves it, like he feeds off of
like the negotiation at the end of the day, like
if he squeezes out one more dollar out of you
that he could, he can walk away happy. I feel
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like this is the kind of negotiation that's gonna be
very contentious until he gets done, but then eventually get done.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Okay, so this is.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
The thing, then what does he like more negotiations are
winning super Bowls? Because I don't understand how what he's
doing right now. Now. It's one thing if you're dragging
out negotiations throughout the channels in which negotiations are always
dragged out, it's another thing entirely to me to go
(26:07):
and whether or not Michael Parsons was actually circumvented.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
He sures hell feels like he was right.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
So if it's a lie, we fight on that lie.
Right at this point, like he feels like he was
and David will get it from what I could tell.
You want to talk about somebody who enjoys negotiations, because
I feel like it's like every GM walks out of
there like damn, I need to make sure I still
have the same amount of blood in my body that
I did when I walked in here, like Jerry going
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straight to Micah and intimating that he had some handshake deal. Sure,
deals like that get made all of the time. However,
it's almost like Jerry forgot the asterisk he put on
the end. We'll figure out the particulars later, right, this
is later. These are the particulars, Like, that's what I'm
(26:58):
not understanding.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
That's what he is. He loves, he loves this, he
loves the theater of it all.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
But you know what, he really loves the fact that
you and I continue to talk about the brand, the
Cowboys brand, and all conversation in their mind is great conversation.
All attention is good, good attention because it only enhances
the brand.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
And remember this about the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
The Cowboys they'll pay their stars, but they don't pay
anybody else. Right, They have a lot of cash that
they keep on the books. It is a ten billion
dollar operation when it comes. I mean, it's the most
valued franchise in sports. The brand is big for a
team that hasn't done anything in thirty years.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Honestly, I think that that you're actually short changing them,
because if the Lakers sold for ten billion dollars, the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
There's valuation for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
If Jerry Jones wanted to sell them, he'd be able
to buy a continent, right, like not a country.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Yeah, but that's that and they enjoy the business of it,
Like I had a chance to look at America's sweet
artists like the Cowboys, Chileer Doc and you can't sit there.
You see how they they the brand is the brand
is real. I think he realizes that. And while they're
engaged in this conversation with Micah, like they just have
to make sure a want to do this.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
That's That's the thing that just drives me nuts because
having the conversation with Micah is one thing and one
thing entirely. But as we've seen, Michaeh Parsons was willing
to have conversations for the last three years and now
maybe they're talking to him, like the conversation at some point,
at least there was supported early in this off season
that they were having a conversation. But like, Micah is
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not the person who's doing the negotiations, Like, that's not
the person you gotta work out the particulars with. That's
the person who signs off. The person you work out
the particulars with.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Is the agent.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
It's a clunky analogy, but I'm getting married on Saturday, right,
thank you. I asked her dad, you know, for her
hand in.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Marriage, but that wasn't who. I had to work out
the particulars with particularly her. You just you just getting
skipper and go to Dalla. Hey, Dad and I got
it worked out.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You can't. He got each other in the eye. I
had a handshache agreement, but then I had to go
and work out the particulars.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
We had to go figure it all out.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
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Speaker 3 (29:26):
Did you see these comments Bucky by Bill's general manager
Brandon Bean in reference to the Kansas City Chiefs, Yeah,
he said, quote, it's a play here or a play there.
We're close, but we can't just prepare the team to
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beat the Chiefs. There are a lot of good teams
in the AFC. I don't think we're far away. We
just have to make a stop here or there. We
haven't made the stop we needed. We haven't made the
stop when we needed to make them. We feel like
we've upgraded our defense. For that reason, we have to
get the key stops. Bucky Brooks your thoughts on Brandon
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Bean and his team building philosophy.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Look, I agree with them.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
He can't solely beat the team build the team to
beat the kan City Chiefs the way that it operates
normally in the National Football League. You build your team
to win a division, and then you keep in mind
the heavyweights that you know you may see in the
conference or in the other conference. So while he can't
specifically build the team to beat the kans City Chiefs,
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he must be aware of what is going to take
to knock them off. But look, man, the Chiefs have
been their boogeyman. They have just not been able to
knock them off. Despite having teams that were good enough
to beat them, they just haven't been able to get
it done. And they can change the personnel and do
all that other stuff, But to me, it's far more
(30:56):
mental than anything else when it comes to dealing with them.
They have to understand how to take them in a
deep wone knock him out.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
They beat him at the red seat, and it's just
in the postseason. Haven't been him to do it.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And it's a lot of you know, Chris Jones pushes
Dion Dawkins back into Josh Allen and he overthrows digs
on what would have been the touchdown or that age.
It's he's right that they are close, and I ultimately
do agree with him. I also just kind of wonder,
you know, I just wonder when he kind of like
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decided this was the way he was going to go
about this, or if this is a hymn thing, or
if the whole team and I promise I'll land the plane.
Because here's the rub. The Chiefs sure have had a
stranglehold over the AFC over the last what four years? Yeah,
four of the last or five to last six Super Bowls,
right with Joe Burrow sneaking in in between. So I
(31:51):
get why somebody would say the Chiefs have knocked us
out of the playoffs every year. But the reality is
the Chiefs were knocking anybody out of the AFC playoffs
those years, right, you know what I'm saying. If you
just play it out that way, you know, say they
were gonna knock whoever.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
They saw out.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
You have to build a team, and you have to
have a strategy of team building. In my opinion, that's
going to win you most football games. Right, you have
to be able to say more often than not, if
I implement this strategy, I will win. And I think
the number one quit essential example of that in recent
memory is the Philadelphia Eagles is a.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
We are running the ball.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
We do not want our quarterback to throw the ball
over thirty times, whether you like it or not, whether
you think he's top five or not. We think he's
top one, and we're gonna keep saying that, but we
don't want him to throw the ball thirty times. Yeah,
despite not throwing the ball thirty times, we are going
to pay our wide receivers because we need them. We
are going to pay our running backs because we need them.
On the defensive side of the ball, now, that's where
(32:53):
we might be able to do a little bargain, Ben shopping,
Zach Bond, You're on one of the worst teams in
the NFL as a special teamer, Know what, come on
down company, All Pro starting linebacker for us, right, you
know what I'm saying, and then drafting well, of course,
on the defensive side of the ball, there's been a
run on white kids named Cooper in their twenties now,
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but they found one of them, put them at cornerback,
and then Quinnyon Mitchell from Toledo. Those guys are first
year players making huge bom pick six is in the
Super Bowl, right. They clearly have a strategy and a
thought process. This is how we are going to win
more games than not. And I don't think that changed
when they were nine to one and then lost ten
(33:35):
games in a row or whatever it was to then
be bounced out in the playoffs in the first round
the year in between the two Super Bowl berth But
it just shows you. To me, that's their strategy and
to me, Buffalo, That's why I wonder when they got this,
because yeah, I agree with you, Brandon Bean. You should
build a team that stands on its own. You should
(33:55):
be like, sure, Borrow still leaving, but do your own thing,
put your own spin on it. But I wonder if
this is a recent relevation because you have Josh All
a quarterback, the raining MVP in the NFL, and in
the AFC Championship game you went, oh for however many
on however many toush pushes in a row, a play
that you didn't do that the Eagles do all the time.
(34:17):
It works well, and you lost that game essentially, I
just say lost a lot of winning. What is the
winning probability in that game by deciding not to have
your own short yardage thing with your own special guy.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, but everything is it is different, right, So that
works for Philadelphia partially because you have a quarterback that
dead lifts six hundred pounds and so everyone else is
struggling doing the quarterback sneak toush push. But the Philadelphia
Eagles are uniquely qualified to be able to do it
because the special qualities are a quarterback and maybe the
best offensive line in football. The Buffalo Bills are on
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the right track because they're always in the conversation and
it's very difficult to look crack the code to make
it to a Super Bowl appearance. The can City Chiefs
have been different. I mean you talk about five appearances,
three wins, whatever, all those things that they've been able
to accomplish in this run terrific. But if the Buffalo
(35:15):
Bills build their team specifically to be the Knsity Chiefs,
and what.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
If the Chiefs are knocked k about the Baltimore Ravens, it.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Can stylistically, they're different what you need because what you
need to defend the Baltimore Ravens, that physical running game,
Lamar Jackson, whatever, is not necessarily the same things that
you need to be the Kensity Chiefs. So when Brandon
Bean talks about I got to worry about some other teams,
he does have to have consideration. We've got to be
able to stop the run. We need to be able
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to have pastors to get after the quarterback, we need
to have some coverage guys, and all these other things.
So he's saying it in a nuanced way. Yes, to
Can City Chiefs are in mind, but I also have
to be ready for anybody else as emerges as a
heavyweight contender this year.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
And that's why I think that if you are building
your team with Kansas City and mind.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
That that's short sighted.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yes, like it's it is very I get it that
he keep that the Boogeyman keeps coming, but you got
to protect against everybody because Freddy Krueger might be next door,
you know.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
What I'm saying, And especially.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
It's specially in the AFC, boy, because I mean, it
seems to me at this point that there is pretty
much one thing that all football fans agree on.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
That's the top four quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, you know, the tier one, the Rushmore right now,
that seems to be a consensus across the board.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
Make sure it just makes you the same thing. So
your four would be.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
My four would be Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Okay, cool, that's everyone here. Now.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
We can't agree with a lot as a country right now,
but that's something it feels like we all got square.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
That is where the lion falls off.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
And you know, like there's a lot of controversy when
Helen Hursts wasn't including in the top ten and people
talking to the top five or whatever. But that Mount
Rushmore that you speak to, I'm with you on that.
And the only one that I would say is bumping
up against that that I would expect to start chiseling
his face out would be the kid in Washington that
is Dalen.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, but we gotta he's got it.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
There's there's there's still.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
But I say, look, if this is a concert, Jade
and Daniels had a great first two songs.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Oh my god, he's only he's only had two songs.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I'm not, Hey, we only we only been there for
ten minutes, So I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
I'm just saying we got a lot more we talk
we talk about because we do this a lot. Buck, Yes,
and I get it because it's exciting, because it's exciting
and we see these guys who are just crazy athletes,
and we watched. Man, I'll never forget this, you know,
(37:50):
I'll never forget it because I lost the bet. And
it was also one of Matt Ebersflush's three road winds
in his career. But when Justin Fields on that Thursday
night football game was running around on Bill Belichick's Patriot defense,
I remember the next day on Friday, people coming on
and said, just Justin feels the best running quarterback in
the NFL. I mean, listen, I understand where you're.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
You're coming from this.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I saw your little scout though book You're coming from this,
and like, yeah, explosive athlete, huh yeah seven point three.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
But no, no, he wasn't at no point in his
career has been because and it's not a fault of
his said Lamar Jackson has been born and was living
in it's just like Victim n Binyama was coming up
for the draft. He says, kut Henderson's a hell of
a player. He may go number one if I was
never born right, But that's the Lamar Jackson was born
(38:45):
right at his agent slash Mama gave birth to him
and as a result, he been the best running quarterback
in the league since he walked in it. So it's like,
sometimes you have guys that will reach a peak, but
to me, to hit the rushmore to be there day
in day out, And it's part of the reason why
Mahomes is still there despite not have not necessarily covering
(39:05):
himself in glory in the Super Bowl last year, are
having kind of the counting stats that you would expect.
His counting stats pale in comparison to the other three guys,
especially from last season. But the King state of King, right,
and when these guys go head to head, he's the
one that walks out victorious. And a lot of times
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it's because I just watched him do something that I
didn't think people could do.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
I mean that that is true when you're talking about
the King state of King. But then Joe Burrow slays
the King, but he doesn't get all that. I mean,
I justtand I understand what you're saying and what we're
talking about when it comes to the quarterback landscape. And
some would say that QB wins aren't a real stat
because team stats not sure whatever, But we have to
(39:52):
valuate quarterbacks on winning games because we talked about Tom
Brady being the goat because of the rings, so it
has to be in the look. I think going back
to the origin of the conversation when you talk about
the Bills and Josh Allen and getting you over the hunt, like,
I don't know what more Josh Allen could do. I
agree when it comes to playing in the game, not
(40:15):
turning the ball over, playing almost flawless when it comes
to it.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
They just haven't been able to dispatch the boogeyman.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Well I suppose. I guess he could have converted one
of two of them to his pushes. But I feel
I gotta get you.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I mean, they'll give me your heart good like that
that offensive line needs to get a greater push. Yeah,
but I mean it's it's a significant factor. Look, I'm
if I'm Brandon Bean, I understand why Brandon Bean was
kind of had a loss for words when it comes
to like, what do they have to do because they
they beat him in the regular season, but then couldn't
beat him in the pull season. They've had him at home,
they've had him on the road. They just can't find
(40:50):
a way to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
Is tough.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
It's tough you the Buffalo Bills, because at some point
you can be like, we wasted Josh Allen's prime years
because we weren't able to We weren't able to get.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Past I mean that, but you know that's the tragedy
and beauty of sports at the end of it. Golly,
I was watching I think it was ironically enough Kirk Cousins,
which I kind.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
Of scoffed at at the time, but oh quarterback.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, but he was saying that the only way to
end the season happy is the end lifting a Lombardi Trophy.
So by definition, I mean's thirty one team's gonna be mishappy. Yeah,
different degrees of success right, like, and it's interesting like
Washington right now, things feel good, you know, NFC Championship birth,
(41:43):
but hey, that team comes out and starts out four
and seven.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Those those throw back uniforms that have all my people
excited again.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I'll just you know, things can change, Things can change quickly.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Bucky, you have more NFL experience in your pinky toe
then I will ever experience in my entire life.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Maybe maybe, maybe maybe not. It's not always guarantee you.
Pinky toe is small and you know what, I'm thirty five.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Maybe I got a future ahead of it.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
You never know. The Saints draft of the twenty five
year old quarterbacks, I know, yes, you never know.
Speaker 6 (00:46):
There's always a chain to fully guaranteed contract, all right,
But from what as far as I can tell, in
the NFL, there's a few different ways that you can
get a job, right.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
You can either win that job out, like through just
being better than the other person who's ahead of you
in that position. That person who's ahead of you in
that position can get hurt or do something disciplinary to
where they're no longer they're suspended for that game. Then
all of a sudden you step in, you have three interceptions,
(01:18):
and all of a sudden that person is now demoted.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Right, Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Mo Lewis Hits Drew bledshow, Tom Brady late round pick
walks into the Foxborough and history after that. Right, you
see this all the time. Kirk Cousins was a fourth
round draft pick in Washington who in the same draft
where a guy was drafted with the in the first
round with RG three RG three right, ended up Kirk
(01:48):
Cousins is the guy that ended up getting the multiple
and obviously to get a long term but the multiple
franchise taxs he got paid in Washington and then went
on to have the long career, the last one I
can think of that Prescott was not a starter in
the NFL and until Tony Romo's back hurt ah, and
then once Tony Romo's back stopped hurting, Tony Romo was
(02:08):
then a backup. So when I peruse the Internet and
Elon Musk's Twitter and the various sports television shows, and
I see people of repute saying that Dion Sander, I
mean Shador Sanders is being sabotaged because he is getting
(02:32):
the opportunity to start Friday. It doesn't necessarily square with
what I believe to be true. But again, I don't
have a lot of NFL experience. Am I NFL experience?
Your NFL experience pales a comparison to mine. Is this
a possibility sabotized? That sambatized is an interesting word.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Like, break that down for me.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
If you so the the way did I see it
the way the reports have come out? Can you pick
is dealing with the hamstring injury? Dylan Gabriel is also
dealing with the hamstring injury. Joe Flacco is the presumptive.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
So he's got an injury when he gets out of
the bed.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But they want him to be the starting quarterbacks, so
they want to keep him available. Well, if the other
two guys are down, that moves Shadur Sanders up. So
it's not a to me, it's not a sabotage situation.
It's a tremendous opportunity National TV. Everyone's been clamoring to
see him. Whether you love him or hate him, everyone
wants to see him. He has an opportunity to kind
(03:32):
of change some of the narrative around him and his
game if he shows up and shows out, because now
he creates a conversation that they have to deal with
in the building because if he plays well, that conversation
now comes inside the building because everything at the pressor
is going to be always he compete for the job,
right is he that? So to me, this is a
(03:53):
great opportunity. To me, is actually a no lose situation
for Shudur Sanders.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Okay, break that.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Why you say it's a no lose situation because I
definitely see a way that there could be losses here.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Now there's no lose. So he comes in.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
He was fourth on the depth chart already, right, he
was the fifth round pick, so he's the last one
to the table. So if he falters, then everyone is like, well,
this is why we took him in the fifth round
because he wasn't better than Dylan Gable in the third?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Can he pick up? Was a free agent and Joe
Flacco is to whatever?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
So that that's worst case, that's where he started.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
He wasn't getting rest with the ones anyway. Okay, I
see what he's saying.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Why what if he plays right and plays well, now
it changes the pecking quarter a little bit, and it
puts more pressure on the other guys to play well.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Because that's the thing that I find too. There's two
things here that I find that I think that people
missing this conversation. The first one is Joe Flacco is
the starter. He has been named the starter, if not
already officially named the starter. He who could write it
(05:00):
in pen They just haven't turned the card in yet.
You know what it's like, seriously, And the only reason
why is because the deadline hasn't come. He's the starter,
you know, Hawaii know he's the starter because he doesn't
have to compete like everybody else does. That's how you
know he's the starter. When the starter can go, he's
gonna be our guy. Now they've decided that that guy
is Joe Flacco for what hey whatever, I just I'm
(05:23):
reporting the facts, the facts now. If it's and I'll
say if it's true, I'm not debating the reporters. I'm
just saying like this, in this scenario, right, if it's true,
he's not getting any reps with the ones at practice.
It seems to me that the best opportunity, and honestly,
(05:46):
maybe the only opportunity that shit door Sanders would have
to make this roster as a backup quarterback as the
two is in preseason games on because if it's happening,
it apparently is not getting the opportunity in practice earned
(06:09):
sabotaged whatever right for whatever reason, when they got how
many guys they got out there, like seventy five now
or so, like out of those ninety guys, they've decided
that if three people they'd rather be playing quarterback before him,
now they're not available. This is the But the conversation
(06:29):
if he comes out and just does I say, just does,
like I could go out there and do it. But
he goes out there and plays like Trey Lancet in
the first half, that conversation is going to Monday morning
is going to be the front page of the Cleveland
Plain Dealer, is going to be send Joe Flack on
to carpool Lane. I want this guy to be my
(06:49):
starting quarterback, right and that puts the pressure on now.
I really only think he really has to play better
in this competition than Dylan Gabriel, right like I think
like cause they're kind of fighting again for that third spot.
And I get where you're saying It's a no lose
situation because going to play four, Lea's in the same
spot he's in. That's the spot I feel like he's in.
(07:11):
They're fighting for that third spot in Cleveland. It's kind of,
in my opinion, keeping their fingers crossed that somebody would
call them and be like, I will offer you a
sixth rownd pick for Kenny Pickett. You know, I'll offer
you a seventh thrown pick for Kenny Pickett. Yeah, So,
I mean the there definitely is that ten the makes.
Prior to Kenny Pickett's injury, I felt like there were
(07:32):
two quarterback competitions going on, not one. It was between
Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco to be the starter, and
then who's going to be QB two between Dylan Gable
and Shoulder Sender. Right, my expectation is both of the
rookies are gonna make the team. Dylan Gabriel, you draft
them in the third round. You're paying them too much
to cut them right out the gate. Suduru Sanders, if
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you were going to cut them, you're not gonna be
able to entertain the possibility of bringing them back to
the practice well, because somebody else will snatch them up, sure,
because now all these stuff, the draft stuff is done,
like now you can take him and just like he's
a bargain basement deal, he's in the system now. So
also to that point real quick, the salary cap number,
not the nerd out at quarterback is so great for
(08:14):
the Browns with the Sean watching that that also is
just heavily as son of my reason to keep two
rookiy contracts.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Two small ones.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Joe Flacco's on a one year, Like, I mean, it's
it makes sense for them to be like we're gonna
go with an older guy and then two younger guys, right,
and for Kenny Pickett or whoever loses between those guys,
somebody hopefully will call because inefinitely there's going to be
an injury in the preseason, somebody's going to need some
depth or someone underperforms or whatever, and so that'll create
(08:40):
an opportunity for them someone to trade Cleveland for one
of the older quarterbacks, which is what they were likely
hoping for when they got through the draft.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Right and so and but the thing here what I
find now, tell me if this is off base, because
I don't think it is, but one of the things
they talk about, like an NBA summer league. It's like, oh,
you're really auditioning for all the teams, Like you might
play for the Magic on Thursday and then get waved
and then by Friday year now shooting up for the
Heat like type of deal in the summer league, and
(09:10):
it was because you're trying to get a spot into
the league. Shit Doorge Sanders obstensibly is trying out for
everybody always on Friday, and it's gonna be like it'll
be the highest out, go out and the lim it'll
be the highest rated preseason at least first half and
ten years, right like like without a doubt, Like people
are gonna be locked into this, yes, and so every
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like not just us, but fans, haters, media and everybody
like y'all scouts looking for another arm. And when I
see him, like when I saw him in college, I
did not see a fifth round pick. Now, I also
want to get paid to evaluate talent, but I didn't
see a fifth round pick. I thought it was a
stretch at first, but like third round felt right, so
(09:55):
it's worst.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Yeah, So to me, I saw him as a bottom
of the first round talent. I thought, look, I.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Assume and still believe that he's gonna be the best
of all the ones in the class. That's what I
felt like when I watched him in Colorado. I continue
to feel that way. I won't I won't get off
of that.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Well, that's not that's not a hot like it may
sound hot, but it's really not.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm just saying like, based on what every coach and
everyone has always talked about. They talked about two things
that are really important at quarterback, accuracy and decision making.
And to me, he was best in show in Acrecy
and decision making. Arm Talent is not what caam Ward's
was or some of the other guys, athleticism isn't what
some of the other guys. But in terms of doing
the things that everyone has told us our most important
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to the success at quarterback, he does those things really well.
And not that we're counting stats in training camp or whatever,
but people have said he's been on the mark in
training camp, So my expectation is if he's been on
the mark playing with threes and fours against the two
defense or whatever, he's gonna play against the twos and
threes in the preseason game. He should look won't say great,
(11:06):
but he should be looking really really good based on
how he's performed. He's playing against backups, vanilla coverages, he
should be My expectation is he's gonna play really really
well against that because it's gonna be very vanilla static
looks nothing crazy.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Okay, So take me inside the mind of the coaches
front office as they're watching him Friday night. What are
they looking for to see? Okay, this is an improvement?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Oh what? Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
He missed this, So that's why we're knocking him down
a peg, Like, how can he raise his status on
the depth chart Friday night even though those guys are hurt.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Well, here's what I say.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
The most movement that you'll see on the depth chart
is after this game. And it's because everything that we've
done prior to this in the offseason, OTA's MENI caamp workouts.
That's all great in shorts, but now we're playing real ball,
and in real ball, people change, some people show up,
some people fall back, and so this is a chance
for him if he shows up for people to be like,
(12:05):
oh he is a legit baller, like he literally can play,
and that will change the nat and that will start
the reconfiguring in the tweaking of the depth chart. Because
remember there are only three preseason games, so this.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Is a big one.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
The last one is not even really ad dress rehearsal.
The second one is the dress rehearsal. So he has
an opportunity to head a stage to him. Say, he
may play the whole game, right, he may play the
entire game, and so he has the entire stage to himself.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
That is significant for him. If he's able to show
and proof.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
That's that's what That's the way I take it, and
it I thought it was that I saw people saying
that this was sabotaged because you had in practice with
those guys, and I'm got to.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Figure you gotta figure it out now that some of
this is you got to figure out because guess what
if you're a backup quarterback in the National Football League, Exactly,
you don't get many reps in practice.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Exactly, make it four or five.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Starter goes down, Hey, get up, you ready, and you
have to figure out how to operate, how to go,
how to make this work. And this will be I mean,
he's lucky that he has a few days to prepare
his mind for being the starting quarterback. Most guys don't
get that when you're the backup. So this is we'll
get a chance to see how he handleson.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I mean, you know, I watched Baker Mayfield be a
Carolina Panther on Monday and win a game and lose
me a bet for the veager for the Rams.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Because you went to the Rams and you didn't bet
on them. You didn't think, no way, Baker Mayfield is
gonna come off the streets.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
You know what, Bucky, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I don't consider myself a great handicapper, but I am
pretty good, you know what. But I silly me. I
thought that, Well, the other team's quarterbacks only been on
the team for two days. The team that's had the
quarterbacks is training camp should probably win, mm hmm. But
then I forgot they were coached by Josh McDaniel. That's
(13:54):
what did.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Here's a lot of Super Bowls, understand, Yeah? How many
was he the head coach for? I mean? Whoops.
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Speaker 3 (14:46):
You'll see several of these type of videos floating around
that YouTube because this is a hotly contested topic of discussion,
not just in the media, but apparently between both principal parties,
Jerry Jones and Michael Parsons. Ding Ding Ding Ding, or
as I like to deem it, Jerry Versus Salary Cap
Part three. So we're now the third installation of those
(15:08):
recent Jerry Jones Versus Salary Cap with Dak Prescott and c. D. Lamb,
and now we're at the Michael Parsons iteration. But this
one has gone further in turn, not necessarily in length,
but in acrimony because Michael went full NOTESAP and generally
you should never go full notes app no, but at
(15:28):
this one, I was like, you know what, the guy might.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Got a point, shouldn't go full NOTESAP. Didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I didn't know that well because and I say that
kind of ingest but honestly, and I saw some people
kind of speculating, do you think that Michael wrote this
whole thing?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
And then people kind of like, you can't write you
graduated from Vince State.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Well, no, that's just saying you think Michael wrote the
whole thing. And I thought, and I don't say this
to make a to make light of it. I think
he absolutely did. Because there were some like grammatical mistakes
that you would make if you were like shooting off
a text message right that you know, I should say,
the more mistakes, more grammatical, I'm not really caring about.
I'm getting this off of my chest. It's like this
(16:08):
is from the heart and it tracks to me in
a way because Michael Parsons since joining the Cowboys, has
been star on the chest. I am a Dallas.
Speaker 9 (16:22):
Cowboy favorite team coming up through and through, Like yeah,
like I'm a fan of the Cowboys and I love
being a Cowboy and has been, for lack of a
better terminent ambassador for the Cowboys throughout his rookie deal.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
And in the note that he put out on Twitter Friday,
he said he approached Jerry two years ago for a
deal no interest. I can get that from the Cowboys side.
We got to take care of our quarterback. We gotta
take care of our receiver, says they approached. He approached
again in last offseasons, say okay, I get it. We
still gotta we gotta take every We gotta take every
You're next, right, you're coming up, You're down the line.
(16:58):
You when it's your turn, will take care of you. Well,
now it's his turn. You know how I know it's
his turn because when you go to the Wikipedia page
of his draft and you look down the list, there'll
be a little cross that says Pro Bowl right next
to the guys who make the Pro Bowl. Everybody in
the first round has made the Pro Bowl on that
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list is now on their second contract, except for Michael Parsons,
who arguably is the second the best or second best
or third best player out of that class. That's how
I know it's time. That's how Miken knows this time.
And that's how most importantly of all, apparently David Mullagetta
knows this time. Who is a man who I know,
(17:41):
not personally, but you know how I know it was.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
When j C.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Horn signed his deal because I look back, I said, dog,
because you know all the all the insiders. Now, of
course they have to tell David muligtta athletes first, nobody,
Bill Duff, you c AA or whoever, by whoever, by whoever,
David mud again, it gets his numbers. He he read
every every almost every one of his clients gets something.
(18:08):
Jacy On highest paid, this, Stingley highest paid, that, most guaranteed, this,
most guaranteed, that there's a framework of that deal, and
you look at it, you like, yo, damn. It kind
of honestly reminds me of when Rich Paul started moving
through the NBA and.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
It was like, Yo, who got what?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And I'm not saying he's a bad player, but it's like, damn,
he's like, oh, David is cracking heads.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Over there, cracking He's making it happen.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And so with all of that, you take what Jerry
said just recently and I.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Was just like, I was just like I was. I
was gobs backed when.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I heard somebody who has this much experience in this
business respond to reports and questions about this in this way.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
Let's talk about the negotiations real quick. It's my understanding
nothing was put in writing. So how would you describe
a deal getting, so to speak, done and then walked
away from.
Speaker 11 (19:05):
I bought the Dallas Cowboys with a handshake. Took about
thirty seconds, and I gave the number, shook hands. The
details we worked out later. As a matter of fact,
one of the details involved a lot of money and
we had to flip a.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Coin over that.
Speaker 11 (19:20):
But the fundamental I'm buying and you're going to sell
it to me for that range, that's done, and those
are done with eye contact and handshake. So was there
Just so you understand why I the way that I
communicate with people that I negotiate with. So let's leave
it at that. There is no question that in the
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case of a player or contract, you have to have
it in writing. All parties do we have a contract
in writing, yet we're still talking about renegotiating it.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
So so much for that, So.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
But ask you fundamentally, as Jerry said, the fund of metal, Yeah,
part of that deal. Who's off here, because to me,
it sounds like the old man one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I don't know. It sounds like the old man is office.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Sounds like he thought that he had a handshake agreement
a this is what is going to be to be
like around this much if you go with this, like,
let's let's get it done. We'll take care of the
particulars later, loop your agent in and YadA, YadA, YadA.
And now even a few other deals that have gone
down that have changed the money for those guys TJ.
(20:35):
Watt well over forty million dollars. Michael wants to make
sure he's in that or above that ballpark, that that
ranged that figure. So maybe it put a pause on
what he was ready to agree to because.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
The numbers changed.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
When you're Jerry Jones, and I'll say this, maybe maybe
the Cowboys aren't as high on Micah the personality as
they are the player. And when you give a strong
personality like that the money, now you give him a
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platform where he not that he hijacks the franchise, but
he comes the unquestioned leader of the team, where you
want him to be the leader or the representative of
a team or not.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
You know, this is the first I've heard of this,
Like for obviously, consume a ton. This is a fascinating angle.
I had not considered one bet.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
So here's where here's where you have to go back
to go back to. Remember Michael Parsons was a twelfth
overall pick in the draft class. Yeah, when we look
back at the names that went ahead of him, you're like,
they gotta go ahead of him. Where there was some
conversation about him, not moral character, but just football character, personality.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
How does he feel? He's loud, he's boy, Yeah, he's
all that. Like he can be. You can be a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You're not worried about him in society, but in your
locker room he can.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
And you've seen him be like he has this podcast,
he has all this other stuff whatever. So you have
to be ready to deal with that. And a lot
of times in league circles, in locker room circles, they say,
whatever the person is, it's gonna be times ten when
you give him a bag. And so when you give
him the bag and you give him all of that
(22:21):
with this, now mushrooms and escalates and becoming even bigger
personality in the locker room and are you okay with that?
And if you're not okay with it, then you do
what the Cowboys are doing. You slow play this out
because there's no leverage for Michael Parsons when it comes
to holding out in those things, right, sure like that,
the CBA made it where it's prohibitive for someone to
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hold out. So if the Cowboys try to dribble this out,
what recourse does Mica have.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Well, since to the point he's already committed, he's already
shown up, so he can't if he goes home for
longer than five days, then basically he's right back in
the situation he's in again next year.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
He's right, So, now, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It's it gonna be Chris Jones sitting up there with
the good Fellows on Sunday Night Football a couple of
years ago, Like, is that what he's gonna do? Like,
there's really not what he can.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
And Chris told everybody they cost him a lot of money, right,
he didn't get that money back even when he did
his deal.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
So okay, so he stuck, so he has to play
this out. Well, even things like okay, I'll just played
the deal out, and I'd be fraid to know you
won't because now we put your franchise tag on.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I'll play that out. Oh we put another one on you.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
So now they've held him up for three years on
his back and to the first year franchise tag would
not be that it would be pretty comparable to what
he's making on his rookie deal, because that crazy that
the average is not.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
The top is high, but the average is not. That
second franchise tack.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Over what it is. But then yeah, it would be big.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
But then the Cowboys be like, yeah, well we got
you now, so they still kind of have him. And
there was conversation in the past about with the Cowboys
trade him, looking to trade him, all those other things.
It just appears to me that the Cowboys dragged the
feet with everybody, Dak Prescott, Ezekiel, Elliott and everyone comes
time to pay, they dragged If this is what makes
(24:10):
this one feel different to me part respectfully, I did
not hear no reports about how Dave Jerry Jones, who
was like what's.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
His name, Tyler Tyler Italy or Todd Franz who's Dak's agent,
Like I didn't hear none of it, like like no,
Like okay, so I get you, but like no, Dak
Todd Francis Cia went and called Jerry Jones and and
sure they did the deal drag out.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I'm sure if we subpoened the phone records, there's probably
multiple phone calls back and forth between the Frisco, Texas
and wherever the hell Todd Franz works at. But for
all the reporting we've heard about this one, apparently the
cowboys and David would have got it, got the other
on block because they're not calling each other, nobody's talking.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
To nobody talk Right now, we're just trying to figure
it out. Like eighteen months, we haven't really engaged in
the discussion. At some point they'll get to the table
and they'll talk and they'll figure out what needs to
be done. But right now, I think Jerry enjoys the
sport of negotiation. I don't know if you've ever been
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out with someone who just loves to argue. They just
love to like box back and forth, or that one
of their homeboys love it. Just bro like we don't
have to argue about everything. I feel like Jerry Jones
dead gay he loves it, like he feeds off of
like the negotiation at the end of the day, like
if he squeezes out one more dollar out of you
that he could, he can walk away happy. I feel
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like this is the kind of negotiation that's gonna be
very contentious until he gets done, but then eventually get done.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Okay, so this is.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
The thing, then what does he like more negotiations are
winning super Bowls? Because I don't understand how what he's
doing right now. Now. It's one thing if you're dragging
out negotiations throughout the channels in which negotiations are always
dragged out, it's another thing entirely to me to go
(26:07):
and whether or not Michael Parsons was actually circumvented.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
He sures hell feels like he was right.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
So if it's a lie, we fight on that lie.
Right at this point, like he feels like he was
and David will get it from what I could tell.
You want to talk about somebody who enjoys negotiations, because
I feel like it's like every GM walks out of
there like damn, I need to make sure I still
have the same amount of blood in my body that
I did when I walked in here, like Jerry going
(26:36):
straight to Micah and intimating that he had some handshake deal. Sure,
deals like that get made all of the time. However,
it's almost like Jerry forgot the asterisk he put on
the end. We'll figure out the particulars later, right, this
is later. These are the particulars, Like, that's what I'm
(26:58):
not understanding.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
That's what he is. He loves, he loves this, he
loves the theater of it all.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
But you know what, he really loves the fact that
you and I continue to talk about the brand, the
Cowboys brand, and all conversation in their mind is great conversation.
All attention is good, good attention because it only enhances
the brand.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
And remember this about the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
The Cowboys they'll pay their stars, but they don't pay
anybody else. Right, They have a lot of cash that
they keep on the books. It is a ten billion
dollar operation when it comes. I mean, it's the most
valued franchise in sports. The brand is big for a
team that hasn't done anything in thirty years.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Honestly, I think that that you're actually short changing them,
because if the Lakers sold for ten billion dollars, the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
There's valuation for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
If Jerry Jones wanted to sell them, he'd be able
to buy a continent, right, like not a country.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Yeah, but that's that and they enjoy the business of it,
Like I had a chance to look at America's sweet
artists like the Cowboys, Chileer Doc and you can't sit there.
You see how they they the brand is the brand
is real. I think he realizes that. And while they're
engaged in this conversation with Micah, like they just have
to make sure a want to do this.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
That's That's the thing that just drives me nuts because
having the conversation with Micah is one thing and one
thing entirely. But as we've seen, Michaeh Parsons was willing
to have conversations for the last three years and now
maybe they're talking to him, like the conversation at some point,
at least there was supported early in this off season
that they were having a conversation. But like, Micah is
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not the person who's doing the negotiations, Like, that's not
the person you gotta work out the particulars with. That's
the person who signs off. The person you work out
the particulars with.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Is the agent.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
It's a clunky analogy, but I'm getting married on Saturday, right,
thank you. I asked her dad, you know, for her
hand in.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Marriage, but that wasn't who. I had to work out
the particulars with particularly her. You just you just getting
skipper and go to Dalla. Hey, Dad and I got
it worked out.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You can't. He got each other in the eye. I
had a handshache agreement, but then I had to go
and work out the particulars.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
We had to go figure it all out.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
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Speaker 3 (29:26):
Did you see these comments Bucky by Bill's general manager
Brandon Bean in reference to the Kansas City Chiefs, Yeah,
he said, quote, it's a play here or a play there.
We're close, but we can't just prepare the team to
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beat the Chiefs. There are a lot of good teams
in the AFC. I don't think we're far away. We
just have to make a stop here or there. We
haven't made the stop we needed. We haven't made the
stop when we needed to make them. We feel like
we've upgraded our defense. For that reason, we have to
get the key stops. Bucky Brooks your thoughts on Brandon
(30:10):
Bean and his team building philosophy.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Look, I agree with them.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
He can't solely beat the team build the team to
beat the kan City Chiefs the way that it operates
normally in the National Football League. You build your team
to win a division, and then you keep in mind
the heavyweights that you know you may see in the
conference or in the other conference. So while he can't
specifically build the team to beat the kans City Chiefs,
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he must be aware of what is going to take
to knock them off. But look, man, the Chiefs have
been their boogeyman. They have just not been able to
knock them off. Despite having teams that were good enough
to beat them, they just haven't been able to get
it done. And they can change the personnel and do
all that other stuff, But to me, it's far more
(30:56):
mental than anything else when it comes to dealing with them.
They have to understand how to take them in a
deep wone knock him out.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
They beat him at the red seat, and it's just
in the postseason. Haven't been him to do it.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And it's a lot of you know, Chris Jones pushes
Dion Dawkins back into Josh Allen and he overthrows digs
on what would have been the touchdown or that age.
It's he's right that they are close, and I ultimately
do agree with him. I also just kind of wonder,
you know, I just wonder when he kind of like
(31:28):
decided this was the way he was going to go
about this, or if this is a hymn thing, or
if the whole team and I promise I'll land the plane.
Because here's the rub. The Chiefs sure have had a
stranglehold over the AFC over the last what four years? Yeah,
four of the last or five to last six Super Bowls,
right with Joe Burrow sneaking in in between. So I
(31:51):
get why somebody would say the Chiefs have knocked us
out of the playoffs every year. But the reality is
the Chiefs were knocking anybody out of the AFC playoffs
those years, right, you know what I'm saying. If you
just play it out that way, you know, say they
were gonna knock whoever.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
They saw out.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
You have to build a team, and you have to
have a strategy of team building. In my opinion, that's
going to win you most football games. Right, you have
to be able to say more often than not, if
I implement this strategy, I will win. And I think
the number one quit essential example of that in recent
memory is the Philadelphia Eagles is a.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
We are running the ball.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
We do not want our quarterback to throw the ball
over thirty times, whether you like it or not, whether
you think he's top five or not. We think he's
top one, and we're gonna keep saying that, but we
don't want him to throw the ball thirty times. Yeah,
despite not throwing the ball thirty times, we are going
to pay our wide receivers because we need them. We
are going to pay our running backs because we need them.
On the defensive side of the ball, now, that's where
(32:53):
we might be able to do a little bargain, Ben shopping,
Zach Bond, You're on one of the worst teams in
the NFL as a special teamer, Know what, come on
down company, All Pro starting linebacker for us, right, you
know what I'm saying, and then drafting well, of course,
on the defensive side of the ball, there's been a
run on white kids named Cooper in their twenties now,
(33:13):
but they found one of them, put them at cornerback,
and then Quinnyon Mitchell from Toledo. Those guys are first
year players making huge bom pick six is in the
Super Bowl, right. They clearly have a strategy and a
thought process. This is how we are going to win
more games than not. And I don't think that changed
when they were nine to one and then lost ten
(33:35):
games in a row or whatever it was to then
be bounced out in the playoffs in the first round
the year in between the two Super Bowl berth But
it just shows you. To me, that's their strategy and
to me, Buffalo, That's why I wonder when they got this,
because yeah, I agree with you, Brandon Bean. You should
build a team that stands on its own. You should
(33:55):
be like, sure, Borrow still leaving, but do your own thing,
put your own spin on it. But I wonder if
this is a recent relevation because you have Josh All
a quarterback, the raining MVP in the NFL, and in
the AFC Championship game you went, oh for however many
on however many toush pushes in a row, a play
that you didn't do that the Eagles do all the time.
(34:17):
It works well, and you lost that game essentially, I
just say lost a lot of winning. What is the
winning probability in that game by deciding not to have
your own short yardage thing with your own special guy.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, but everything is it is different, right, So that
works for Philadelphia partially because you have a quarterback that
dead lifts six hundred pounds and so everyone else is
struggling doing the quarterback sneak toush push. But the Philadelphia
Eagles are uniquely qualified to be able to do it
because the special qualities are a quarterback and maybe the
best offensive line in football. The Buffalo Bills are on
(34:54):
the right track because they're always in the conversation and
it's very difficult to look crack the code to make
it to a Super Bowl appearance. The can City Chiefs
have been different. I mean you talk about five appearances,
three wins, whatever, all those things that they've been able
to accomplish in this run terrific. But if the Buffalo
(35:15):
Bills build their team specifically to be the Knsity Chiefs,
and what.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
If the Chiefs are knocked k about the Baltimore Ravens, it.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Can stylistically, they're different what you need because what you
need to defend the Baltimore Ravens, that physical running game,
Lamar Jackson, whatever, is not necessarily the same things that
you need to be the Kensity Chiefs. So when Brandon
Bean talks about I got to worry about some other teams,
he does have to have consideration. We've got to be
able to stop the run. We need to be able
(35:43):
to have pastors to get after the quarterback, we need
to have some coverage guys, and all these other things.
So he's saying it in a nuanced way. Yes, to
Can City Chiefs are in mind, but I also have
to be ready for anybody else as emerges as a
heavyweight contender this year.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
And that's why I think that if you are building
your team with Kansas City and mind.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
That that's short sighted.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yes, like it's it is very I get it that
he keep that the Boogeyman keeps coming, but you got
to protect against everybody because Freddy Krueger might be next door,
you know.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
What I'm saying, And especially.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
It's specially in the AFC, boy, because I mean, it
seems to me at this point that there is pretty
much one thing that all football fans agree on.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
That's the top four quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, you know, the tier one, the Rushmore right now,
that seems to be a consensus across the board.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
Make sure it just makes you the same thing. So
your four would be.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
My four would be Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Okay, cool, that's everyone here. Now.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
We can't agree with a lot as a country right now,
but that's something it feels like we all got square.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
That is where the lion falls off.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
And you know, like there's a lot of controversy when
Helen Hursts wasn't including in the top ten and people
talking to the top five or whatever. But that Mount
Rushmore that you speak to, I'm with you on that.
And the only one that I would say is bumping
up against that that I would expect to start chiseling
his face out would be the kid in Washington that
is Dalen.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, but we gotta he's got it.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
There's there's there's still.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
But I say, look, if this is a concert, Jade
and Daniels had a great first two songs.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Oh my god, he's only he's only had two songs.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I'm not, Hey, we only we only been there for
ten minutes, So I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
I'm just saying we got a lot more we talk
we talk about because we do this a lot. Buck, Yes,
and I get it because it's exciting, because it's exciting
and we see these guys who are just crazy athletes,
and we watched. Man, I'll never forget this, you know,
(37:50):
I'll never forget it because I lost the bet. And
it was also one of Matt Ebersflush's three road winds
in his career. But when Justin Fields on that Thursday
night football game was running around on Bill Belichick's Patriot defense,
I remember the next day on Friday, people coming on
and said, just Justin feels the best running quarterback in
the NFL. I mean, listen, I understand where you're.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
You're coming from this.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I saw your little scout though book You're coming from this,
and like, yeah, explosive athlete, huh yeah seven point three.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
But no, no, he wasn't at no point in his
career has been because and it's not a fault of
his said Lamar Jackson has been born and was living
in it's just like Victim n Binyama was coming up
for the draft. He says, kut Henderson's a hell of
a player. He may go number one if I was
never born right, But that's the Lamar Jackson was born
(38:45):
right at his agent slash Mama gave birth to him
and as a result, he been the best running quarterback
in the league since he walked in it. So it's like,
sometimes you have guys that will reach a peak, but
to me, to hit the rushmore to be there day
in day out, And it's part of the reason why
Mahomes is still there despite not have not necessarily covering
(39:05):
himself in glory in the Super Bowl last year, are
having kind of the counting stats that you would expect.
His counting stats pale in comparison to the other three guys,
especially from last season. But the King state of King, right,
and when these guys go head to head, he's the
one that walks out victorious. And a lot of times
(39:26):
it's because I just watched him do something that I
didn't think people could do.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
I mean that that is true when you're talking about
the King state of King. But then Joe Burrow slays
the King, but he doesn't get all that. I mean,
I justtand I understand what you're saying and what we're
talking about when it comes to the quarterback landscape. And
some would say that QB wins aren't a real stat
because team stats not sure whatever, But we have to
(39:52):
valuate quarterbacks on winning games because we talked about Tom
Brady being the goat because of the rings, so it
has to be in the look. I think going back
to the origin of the conversation when you talk about
the Bills and Josh Allen and getting you over the hunt, like,
I don't know what more Josh Allen could do. I
agree when it comes to playing in the game, not
(40:15):
turning the ball over, playing almost flawless when it comes
to it.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
They just haven't been able to dispatch the boogeyman.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Well I suppose. I guess he could have converted one
of two of them to his pushes. But I feel
I gotta get you.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I mean, they'll give me your heart good like that
that offensive line needs to get a greater push. Yeah,
but I mean it's it's a significant factor. Look, I'm
if I'm Brandon Bean, I understand why Brandon Bean was
kind of had a loss for words when it comes
to like, what do they have to do because they
they beat him in the regular season, but then couldn't
beat him in the pull season. They've had him at home,
they've had him on the road. They just can't find
(40:50):
a way to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
Is tough.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
It's tough you the Buffalo Bills, because at some point
you can be like, we wasted Josh Allen's prime years
because we weren't able to We weren't able to get.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Past I mean that, but you know that's the tragedy
and beauty of sports at the end of it. Golly,
I was watching I think it was ironically enough Kirk Cousins,
which I kind.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
Of scoffed at at the time, but oh quarterback.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, but he was saying that the only way to
end the season happy is the end lifting a Lombardi Trophy.
So by definition, I mean's thirty one team's gonna be mishappy. Yeah,
different degrees of success right, like, and it's interesting like
Washington right now, things feel good, you know, NFC Championship birth,
(41:43):
but hey, that team comes out and starts out four
and seven.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Those those throw back uniforms that have all my people
excited again.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I'll just you know, things can change, Things can change quickly.
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