August 11, 2025 • 33 mins
Former NFL safety Kerry Rhodes is in for Kelvin, and he and Rob debate whether or not Patrick Mahomes should still be considered a Tier 1 NFL quarterback, and argue whether Matthew Stafford or Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback right now. Plus, former NFL quarterback and FOX Sports Radio NFL analyst Shaun King swings by to discuss the fallout from Shedeur Sanders' preseason debut, whether or not we can expect Sanders to make the Cleveland Browns' final 53-man roster, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
The Athletics annual QB Tiers came out earlier on Monday,
and actually Mike Sandal's gonna be on the show later
this week's talking Yes, friend of the show, Mike Sando.
But as you mentioned, Rob, the tiers are out, and surprise, surprise,
Patrick Mahomes topped the list for the fifth consecutive season.
Named a unanimous Tier one quarterback for the fifth consecutive season,
one short of.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Aaron Rodgers' record. Pretty impressive for that one.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
What's interesting, though about this, Linn, is that three anonymous
coaches were all quoted in the piece about Patrick Mahomes,
and if you listen to the commentary, they're all almost
leading you down a track that would suggest maybe he
shouldn't be Tier one. Here's number one anonymous offensive cordiator
patri Mahomes says, quote, I think Mahomes is the best
quarterback to ever live, but the gap is smaller than
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it was a year ago. Anonymous GM says, quote, Mahomes
is the best quarterback in the world, but Josh Allen,
Lamar Jackson a better individual seasons. In fairness, the infrastructure
around Patrick has e road it last, but not least.
Anonymous head coach on Patrick Mahomes says, quote, Patrick Mahomes
obviously still a one, but he is winning out of
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need at the end of games.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
That's what it's about.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
But Burrow, Lamar and Josh played better than him in
quarters one through.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Four, and that's why I say it's lazy. Yeah, Patrick
Mahomes is not n ot a Tier one quarterback. He
has not played like a Tier one quarterback. Carry not
for last year, for the last two seasons. For the
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last two seasons he has regressed and exhibit A. And
that's why I say all these executives or whatever they're living.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
In the past, they are and.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
They think that they can't say anything against Patrick because
he's one. I get it, He's won MVPs and he
started his career like a house on fire. But they're
not really looking at the numbers or being honest.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
And I'll ask you this, carry.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
How can your team be fifteen and two last year
and you get zero first place votes for MVP zero?
Is this not a quarterback league? Or am I wrong?
It's a quarterback league? How in the world did nobody
say Patrick Mahomes his numbers weren't there. His numbers aren't there.
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It's not a lifetime Achievement award? Can we stop? It's
okay to say Patrick's not the best quarterback anymore. It
doesn't mean that he's a dog or he's terrible. It
just means, right now, Lamar had a better year than
he had the years won the MVPs three years in
a row. He's been first All Pro Quarterback.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes had the same numbers.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
You listen to people on it, Oh, Aaron Rodgers washed up?
Noa he has the same numbers. He's tier three on
this list and.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
He's tier three, and they're saying Patrick Mahomes' is unanimous
tier one.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
I mean, come on and let me just give you
some numbers. I'll let you go.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Last two seasons, Mahomes and then I don't even want
to mention coming off that Super Bowl we had like
a ten point seven QBR, you know, I mean, like
an awful But here it is as a pass of
the last two seasons touchdowns, he's averaging No, no, I'm
looking at interceptions nine point six. Those were early in
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the good years. Now it's up to twelve point five.
And the same thing with the yards. It was almost
five thousand yards. Now it's close to the four thousand
touchdowns down twelve a year.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I mean, I mean, like, what are they watching?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
But Carrie, I guess they feel compelled to just look
at things from the past. Because Patrick Mahomes is not
a Tier one quarterback. I'm based off of his play. Okay,
you can't base everything off what you just saw. I know,
and I just agreed with you on the league. Is
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what have you done for me lately? That's one hundred
percent truth. That's for everybody else one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
But I'll tell you this, when you talk about tier
one quarterbacks him as far as him being unanimous, he's not.
There's the top four guys Patrick Mahomes, Burrows, Allen and
Lamar Jackson on any and given Sunday. Either one of
those guys can be them one quarterback in the league, right,
And so when you say something unanimous, that means there
should be without a shadow of a doubt that guy
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is levels above the others. And it's just not the
case anymore. The last couple of years you said it.
Lamar Jackson has outplayed him, for sure. Joe Burrow last
year definitely outplayed him. No, Josh Allen out played him
last and one d and Wan of winning an MVP
and a split vote year. I just don't even understand. Yeah,
it's just the only thing that I don't agree with
here is the unanimous thing. I mean as far as
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his talent, who he is, what he can be any
given down. If there's a third down in the fourth
quarter and a team needs a first down, I'm going
Patrick Mahomes, right, So he still has that cachet. He
needs his players around him to be a little bit better.
But again, at the top taer quarterback, you obviously raise
your talent, and he has done that in certain moments,
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just not overall overall. He's not the unanimous guy. And
that's what my that's what I would take from this.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Here's a Super Bowl eleven point four QBR was the
second loss of any game during his NFL career.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
He was bad in the first half.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
My homes posted career worst passer rating ten point seven
passing first downs one.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I just said first half.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Yeah, Yeorge per attempt two point four, yearge per completion
five point five.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
The longest completion was eleven year old.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
I could go on and on and on all right, Rob,
But wait a minute, so can you name any one
of his targets besides Travis Kelce.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
No, but great players elevate. Great players elevate. That's all
they say about Tom Brady. So sorry, Oh, he doesn't
have anybody. That guy was working at dunkin Donuts last week.
That's what they always. Okay, No, but that that's always
the argument, right right. And then I would say before
last year for Lamar, you be, all of his receivers
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are a third tier receiver, not anymore. But I'm saying
early on and obviously with Derek Henry that also improved it.
And you know what, he took his game to even
a bigger level and had.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
An unbelievable year. He had four interceptions, three hit receiver.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Like you know that you watched the game he only
had one, like you would say like it was his
fault interception last year.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
I just think we'd fall in love with guys and
we don't want to admit or we feel like if
you say anything less, like you're disrespecting him.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I'll tell you why they do that, because when people
go out on limbs and say somebody is a unanimous decision,
they don't want their decision to look bad. It's more
it's that more than anything. It's like it's like you're
having to take you don't want to take to be wrong.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
But but but him, Marty. Think we don't do it
with Lebron. Okay, nobody. He's not the best player in
the league anymore. He's still playing, yes, Okay, he's putting up.
Nobody thinks he's the best player in the league. We
didn't do it Michael Jordan when he went to the Wizards,
nobody said he was the best player. Okay. So I'm saying,
at some point you got to look at it. And
I look at Patrick Mahomes, I see something very similar
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to Brady. Where Brady went to nine years without winning
or whatever. I see that coming because they've been to
the Super Bowl a few times and now the team.
I don't think Andy Weed's getting older, you know what
I mean. You start losing pieces, things start to happen.
Guys aren't the same. Kelsey Wipe. This is probably his
last year. Like all these things start to happen and
then all of a sudden you're in a different spot.
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But I thought, of what this this is over the top.
It's lazy eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. I'm
fired up eight seven seven six three sixty nine. You
already know it, you know, a week off and no
radio to yell at. I was just yelling at the
convention people. Look gluten. That gluten got me worked over, Alex.
(08:37):
My stomach was just bubbling, you know what I mean,
after a little bread.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You know, I'm okay good.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
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Speaker 5 (09:27):
If we are down with the King, Sean King, the
former NFL quarterback Fox Sports Radio NFL analysts showing us
what's up? Sean say, Hi to carry?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
What's up?
Speaker 8 (09:39):
What's carry?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
What's the news?
Speaker 8 (09:43):
Sers is the first gutta be ind.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
No, Sean, we just were talking about it and everybody
gets their panties in the bunch because he's not elevated
to the starter after that U first preseason game start
or whatever. Sean, can you break it down and let
people know, uh to stop? And they're making it And
this is the thing, I just berated a guy because
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he's making it like nobody thinks he can play.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And there's levels to all of this. That's not the issue.
I'm not surprised that that he can play.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Play major college football, right, Okay, but where are you
on Shador and what did you see?
Speaker 8 (10:27):
Well, I like contexts and I like perspective. I think
those are two things that are very important. We're analyzing
professional sports. No one's saying Jackson Dark should start for
the Giants and he played actually better than Shador.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
No one's saying Kane McKee should start for the Eagles.
He had a phenomenal games that'sn't been it balled out.
People are still talking about, oh my god, and Stafford
is a healthy What are we gonna do? Right to
the to the Soduer fan base, there's this thing called process.
Let it play out. Was understand say Chador was the
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one that had the sore hammy and Dylan Gabriel had
the game Shador had, they would be up and off.
Shador deserves a chance to prove what he can do. Right, Well,
what's right for the goose is right for the gander, Right,
those other guys are gonna get this shot. If Shador
is anywhere close to being self appointed legendary, that's the
easiest pathway to starting quarterback in the entire league. It'll happen.
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But let the process play out. If he played bad,
I wasn't gonna say he sucks. Right, if he played great,
I wasn't gonna say he should be the starter. Let
the process play out.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
But you're right. And here's my issue. And I did
this with Cooper Flag when he had his first game.
Remember he was like three for ninety or whatever from
the field, right, And I just said, I just said, seriously,
you can't have it both ways, because if he were
to dropped forty, you would be random raving about how
great he is and then he has a terrible shooting
night and you want to pooh pull it. Same thing
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with Shador. Had he had a bad night, people would
be it's his first game. What do you expect he
had nady rept with through, you know, and they would
make an excuse and my point, I'm with you, But
I do though, Sean, I think he's gonna wind up
getting cut by the Browns because they can't take four quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I don't see how you.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
Face it, carry. I don't know how you do this
for three outs. I've never heard ros he's not getting cut.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Okay, see what he means, he's not getting cut.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
How I said the same thing, I said, go to
get cut.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
Wow, he very well may be the best quarterback on
the Cleveland Browns roster. I'm not even arguing people that
feel like that. I'm simply telling them let the process
play out, Sean.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Sean, here's here's where I disagree with you.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
And you play quarterback in the NFL, I'm gonna disagree
because the coaches no.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Just hear me out, hit me out, Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
And I've always said I brought it up earlier about
Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson. Matt Flynn had every reason
to be the starting quarterback for Seattle. They gave him
a huge bag, they signed him. He had just set
the record for touchdowns with the Green Bay Package of
all quarterbacks in the history of that organization. And they
were looking for a quarterback and they got him. Russell
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Wilson showed up and they didn't hesitate.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And my other point about Shador is about Tom Brady,
his mentor, who.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Could have easily drafted him right.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Tom Brady was a sixth round pick, so we know
it ain't about where you get drafted. Tom Brady works
out with the kid knows, the kid knows his DNA knows,
his dad knows what kind of effort he puts in
an energy and if he really wanted to, Tom Brady
could have told.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
The Raiders take that kid, and he did not. That's
what makes me question where Shador is. That's all so.
Speaker 8 (13:57):
Valuate quarterback. I don't need anybody else who's validation, perspective,
or opinion to go with what I see. So Dort
standards is a good quarterback. But what has happened is
because his brand has outgrown his own field production, he's
become very polarizing. The people that are in his corner
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are so delusional that you get tired of hearing them,
and the people that the people that are against them
is not because of anything factual on the field. It's
just he's easy to dislike. If you knew should do it,
I would pick up the phone right now and say, dude,
just play football.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
That's what I said.
Speaker 8 (14:39):
Cut out, cut out all the other stuff, all the
showing up with your own crew of guys and the
legendary chain, and you run for a first down and
you're looking at your Automa puj on your rip. Just
play football. All that other stuff will come.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
That's why that's why teams passed on him, because if
he's not a franchise quarterback. They don't want to deal
with that, and we brought up Tim Tebow, we brought
up Kaepernick. After everything, nobody wants a distraction as a
backup quarters a backup.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
There's so much power in words, and you have to
really watch Rob because what Rob will do if you
say something and here agrees with and he'll try.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
To Sean, hey, I hear you something. I'm gonna switch
it up a little bit because that that topic is
obviously a polarizing one and a big one right now.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
But there's another one right now.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
The Athletic came out with a list of their quarterback tiers,
and obviously, you know the top four that we always
kind of going to each season saying Mahomes, Burrow, Alan
Jackson being you know, tier one. But in this list
they had Patrick Mahomes unanimously number one. And I disagree
with that part of it. So tell me about what
you think about that list, Sean, I think.
Speaker 8 (15:56):
It's six in one hand and half a dozen in
the other. I mean, he's the most accomplished current starring quarterback.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
It's not a Lifetime Achievement Award.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
It's supposed to be about this year you know, coming
into the year, and that's what it's supposed to be.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
You know, you bring guests on, let them talk. What
would argue with a person that says that that in
twenty twenty five. I don't think he's the most talented
or the most valuable quarterback. I do think Josh Allen
and Lamar Jackson just based on pure talent and how
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important they are. And if you gave me any quarterback
I could have in the league, it'd be hard and
it'd be a real argument about taking those two over Patrick.
But at the end of the day, a down year
for him was losing in the Super Bowl, so he's
got that on top of him. It's a very I think,
fluid conversation that changes from week to week.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I just think if you eliminate the names and you
put up the staff and whatnot, there's no way. And Sean,
here's the reason why it's a fraudulent list, and he
doesn't deserve to be on the top tier. How do
you go fifteen and two, get to the Super Bowl right,
and you got no votes, no first place vote for MVP.
That's in a quarterback league, that's impossible to do. But
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people watched his body of work, and they know that
he didn't play that well, right, and that that's my point.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
So I just don't understand why can't you stay in
the middle sometimes like yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Okay, no, no, there's no middle.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
It's okay to say two thousand four, Patchick Mahomes was
not one of his elite years individually, right, but they
did enough to make the Super Bowl. Now you can
even say, you know what, he's got to come back
out and reassert his dominant individually, even if the team
is successful or not. That's fair. But to say you
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don't deserve to be in the top tier, it's ludicrous.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Rob.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
You heard that, Rob, he said, it's not ludicrous, Ludicris Sean, Sean,
I'm with you on that. That's just what I told him.
I said, it's the only part I have with it
is being unanimous. Obviously he's not that guy right now.
I mean last last year, I mean week the week,
either one of those four can be the top guy.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
And so that's kind of where I said.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Yeah, So so let me put an exclamation point on
the Patrick Mahones thing. The fact that those other three
guys are in the same conference, and I think only
Burrow has made it to a Super Bowl, right then,
b that's a knock against Lamar and Josh.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Is that is this is this guys who made it
to the Super Bowl? Is it based off of that
or based on your numbers and how you played? I
don't think we know that.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
It shouldn't shouldn't be.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
Based on it shouldn't be based on the fact that
since Tarriek Hill was taking off of the Thieves and
move to Miami, Patrick hadn't been playing with the Okay,
there we go. You can argue that the Ravens and
the Bills got more offensive talent than the Chiefs. Yet
some kind of way, the Chiefs keep ending up in
the big Gamey what goes back to Mahon's brilliant And.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Now I'm gonna say this last thing you told me.
Can I ever be in the middle? That's for Chrissy
Hain and the pretenders? Oh man, I'm not in the
middle of the road and I never will be.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Sean, can you hear him?
Speaker 8 (19:32):
He let me say something so because I think this
needs to be said. Shout out to camp Ward. Very
rarely do we have a kid that's fought through what
he's fucked through. He's got one of the most amazing
stories ever, what it took for him to get to
the University of Miami, and then the way he handled
the process going number one to Tennessee, the way he's
approached being a professional, like he deserves to be more
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of a topic of conversation nationally.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Like that, kid, luck, good luck. You know that's not
gonna happen. It's just not no. I'm with you. But
that's not how it goes. And you know how it is.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
People gonna it starts by intelligent platforms, intelligent guests like
myself continually bringing it up.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
It stays, it stays on the mind of people like
he's doing a hell of a job in Tennessee so far.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Well, we appreciate you, Sean King, Thank you so much.
All Right.
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Speaker 5 (20:37):
Carry Here's something you don't know about me. But every
so often there's a story and my panties will get
in a bunch and this is one of those stories.
Oh man, I'm a little moist right now, I'm just
saying I'm a woman, rob g. We're talking about the
Athletics piece about the Quarterback Tears, and this drove me
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to tears.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Are yes, the Athletic Annual Quarterback Tears came out today.
Mike Sander does a great job. Mike Center'll be on
the Odd Couple this Thursday, eight thirty pm. Means if
you want to check it out, and so I could
trash him, well, we're not trashing him. He's just compiling
a coration and we can tell him.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Like, what were they thinking? Especially with this one.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
So we mentioned early on in the show that there
are five quarterbacks listed in tier one on this chart. Yep,
Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. And you
would assume that number five is potentially Super Bowl MVP
Jalen hurts. No, you would assume it might be everybody's favorite.
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Make a quarterback that would be Justin Herbert.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
And that's because and I get it. This size his arm,
am I right? He looks like a quarter looks like it. Yes,
he looks the part.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I get it. And why they all fall in love
with him. He's got a big arm.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
He's tall, he's big, I get all that, but he
hasn't played.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Up today, No, not yet than him.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Some might even say, if it's not Kaylen Williams, it's
the previous generational quarterback Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
No not either.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Instead, who is it the number five quarterback Tier one
in the NFL? None other then the ageless Wonder himself,
thirty seven year old bad back can't even practice these days.
Matthew Stafford aka stat Patford.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Oh my, absolutely ridiculous, the worst. I mean, this makes
you question the whole list. Seriously, Stafford is not a
Tier one quarterback. I mean what Jalen Hurts Carrie, here
we go.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
All right, let's get it.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
This has nothing to do with Cam Newton either, because
he he remember with Jayleen Hurts two as well, blaming
that he has a good team around them. What quarterback
who won a Super Bowl didn't have a great team.
I mean, stop that. That can't be your reason. I'm
not saying you have to pick him in your top ten,
but it can't be based off of the players around him.
Tell me why he's not in your top ten? And
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I could buy that, but his reasoning didn't make any sense.
And here's my point. In the Super Bowl he lost
to Patrick Mahomes. He outplayed Patrick Mahomes. Fact, he played great,
except for the one fumble that wound up being costly, right,
but he played great in that. And now last year
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the Eagles was supposed to be about what Carrie Saquon Barkley.
Oh my god, look at all that. He's unbelievable. He's
running from all these yards. He it's about Saquon. Squon
had about nine yards in the Super Bowl. I know
it wasn't that low, but you get my point. He
had no impact.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Every analyst you.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Wanted to listen to prior to the Super Bowl, you
know what it said, all the Chiefs have to do
is make Jayler heard throw the ball and put stop
Saquon and they can win the Super Bowl. And they
stopped Saquon. They stopped Saquon, and they still didn't win.
They got blowed out, as they say at the barbershop
carry They got blowed out, blowed blowed out, blowed out,
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and he made every important throw you needed to make.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Am I right, you watched it. We all watched it.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
He played great and in that Super Bowl, and the
disrespect is still think that you would put a thirty
seven year old broken down Matt Stafford, who had most
of his career is about padded stats. That's what it's
called stat Padford in Detroit over Jalen Hurds.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I don't get it. I don't get it.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Matthew Stafford is a really good quarterback, and I know
you have your your stuff about him.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
I only because I watched them, you know what I mean?
Like I watched him. Yeah, so I'm not looking not
from afar. I covered I told you the same, Yeah,
I covered the Lions. I was a columnists in Detroit
every game for fifteen to twenty years, like every game.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yeah, And I'm going to tell you this about Jalen Hurts.
I'm not a big Jalen Hurts fan. I'm a fan
of his in big games though. In big games he
outperforms the other quarterbacks and so he does his game
rises to a different level in these games that makes
you want to put him on these lists, like just
like you have this affinity form and you think that
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he should be five on this list.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Well, if I only think matt if Vanthew Stafford is okay,
that's where my issue.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Okay, gotcha because I'm comparing him to Stafford. Okay, gotcha,
because yes he would be. In my mind, he is
a tier two quarterback. Jalen Hurts now in big games.
In the two super Bowl games that you're talking about,
he was Tier one and those he played his butt
off in those games.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
So why do we give Patrick mahomes the love for
the coming up big in game.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I'm about to get to that. Okay.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
To be a tier one quarterback, you got to do
this day in and day out, day in and day out.
These the top four that we talked about, Mahomes Borough,
Allan Jackson stand above the rest. I understand that being
a tier one with Matthew Stafford being tier one. I
don't actually agree with that either. I think he's a
tier two guy because I think he falls in line
with these other guys, Jaydon Daniels, Herbert Golf, Stroud, Hurts, Mayfield,
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all of those guys. I think he's in that same list.
So I just don't. I just don't see him being
tier one, and that's my only I have him in.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Tier one over Matthew Stafford, and then.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
He say over Matthew. Here's my argument. You know what
I'm saying, if it was this five list, he needs
to be there in front of in front of Stafford.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
If Stafford's not in the time, they only went with
the four the four I have. Okay, I told you
Patrick Mahomes the last two years not played as I
don't believe that year Stafford I think had what he
throwed twelve touchdowns, twenty touchdowns, eight interceptions. There was one
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stretch last year were their offense it was all field goal.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
They couldn't score. Yeah, there's no I'm like, what is
it based on? Is it just.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Because you remember Matthew Stafford winning a game, winning the
Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Or what is it? Let me just say his last
thing Stafford.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Even you remember how they won the Super Bowl, right,
he threw a game winning touchdown?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yep, right, yep.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Not often dul quarterback throw a game winning touchdown to
win the Super Bowl at the end and not get
the MVP because he didn't play well. He had two
interceptions before that. He hadn't played well enough. And if
you remember, there was a penalty in the end zone.
That's what's set up the game winning touchdown for them
to win even win the Super Bowl, but Stafford didn't
play well enough.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
It's very rare that a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Throwing a game winning touchdown with time expiring doesn't win
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
We I'm gonna tell you this right now. In the
NFC Championship game last year, the game before the Rams
played the Eagles, and Stafford out performed Hurts in that game,
and except for when it mattered, it was could never
chance did have a chance to win. I mean, listen,
there were a real chance. I mean they couldn't get
the ball, but they couldn't stop. They know they got
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the ball, Rob g didn't didn't they have the ball?
I went for four and out in the at the
end of the game.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Three scores in three score said it wasn't left. They
they brought him back, brought him back down.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
But they want a twenty yard line or something where
when they then went four and out, what were they
on the twenty five.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
They wanted twenty five had a chip that had a test.
But the Eagles defense had something to say about that.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
He did.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
It wasn't his fault, Hurts. I mean, Stafford in that
game balled out. You know why balled out?
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Okay, as usual because they were down three scores and
the defense, which I don't, I hate prevent Like I
just keep playing. I just just keep playing. Stop with
the prevent. That's how teams come back all the time.
You start doing stuff and players let people get behind
them somehow, And I'm like.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Why would you do that? Just play regular coverage. I
don't know, Rob g Am I a sugar nut? Am
I crazy? Rob g? What you got?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
If you think about that list? That is a terrible list. Look,
Matthew Stafford. He's one of those guys like they talk
about in basketball where they say, you know, Kyrie may
I have the accolade to some of his peers, but
he's your favorite player's favorite players.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Yeah, that's that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Matthew Stafford is a quarterback where he's like your favorite
quarterback's favorite quarterback because they see the size, see the talent,
they see the no look passes that he does, and like, man,
the way this guy plays quarterback is just incredible. And
then you look at the numbers and to Rob's point,
either they were down big and he came back and
put them all these stats, or you look at last
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season where they did win.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
And they made the players. They had a little run there.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Rob talked about it on the show at Nauseum when
it was happening the month of December. The last three
games had to have it right, they got to win
to get in the postseason. Listen to these numbers. The
Rams offense scored thirteen, nineteen and twelve, but because the
defense had six.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Nine and nine, he's three and oh.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
So it's like man Stafford, he didn't really cooking in
that game. And then Matthew Stafford in three gotta have.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
It games to close the season.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Through one touchdown, one interception, one hundred and fifty three
yards per game.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
But he's a top tier quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I'm in no way, no way, Like it's got the
Jayalen Hurts where I'm running for sixty yards.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
And like, oh, I have to go.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Rob.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
I know you're throwing out these numbers now, but they
also the Rams game plan was a little different this year,
but last year they ran the ball with Camrick Williams
a lot. Why do they run it? That's their game.
They wanted to keep their defense off the field a
little bit. That's fair.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I know that's real football, right, it's real foot, But
isn't it also real football that you're trying to score
more than fourteen points a game.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Check that's that you can't have it.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
But you can't say, Hey, Joe Burrow's great because he
throws all these yards, all these touchdowns. TV reception is crazy, right.
But then also Patrick Mahomes is great because I know
he's like fifty nine percent completion and he's fifteenth in
quarterback rating, but he's fifteen to zero. Right, It's like
you can't be Jimmy Garoppolo and Damn Reno. Like there's
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there's a whole spectrum that we got to cover here
in Matthew Stafford being as listed amongst the tier with yeah,
I mean Lamar Allen Burrow.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
And I just don't I don't think that.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
What was that was that Sesame Street or one of
these things don't don't go together. Whatever, it was like
something like he just doesn't fit with that when I
look at that list, that that's like we have nobody else?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Who else can we throw in it?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, that guy won a Super Bowl three years ago?
Would he be Tier two for you? Though?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Like I said, I think it's here two? Yeah, Lo, yeah,
I would be. I'd be more comfortable with too two.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Okay, I just well, you know what's funny is like
a third of the voters had Jalen Hurts in tier
three really, and it's like, so why does one guy
get the benefit? Is it because it like the way
it looks better?
Speaker 8 (32:17):
That just?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Is that really what it comes down?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Like the Lamar Jackson didn't get credit till this year,
I know, because he does it in a different way,
So he's never going to be appreciated the way some
of these other guys.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
But that's crazy, ohright, eight seven seven ninety nine on
Fox eight seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Who's better Jalen Hurts or Matthew Stafford? You know where
I'm coming from. Carry, I think is coming around right.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
You're with me?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Carry?
Speaker 6 (32:43):
No, I still think overall Matthew Stafford is a little
bit better doing the regular tas.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Okay, Yeah, I'm just saying I don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
No, I just you know why Carrie likes Stafford because
he used to pick off quarterbacks like that in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
So you kind of like, oh, no, I like that,
I like the gun. I like him. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
How many interceptions you get from Brett farre right. I
got a couple I know you did. Yeah, yeah, and
they came right to you, didn't they.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I can't even movies, I know, all right, right, you
know thinking, But even if even the statistician like made
that as a reception and they're not an interception, they
don't like, that's a reception, that's not the cat tymble.
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You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
The Athletics annual QB Tiers came out earlier on Monday,
and actually Mike Sandal's gonna be on the show later
this week's talking Yes, friend of the show, Mike Sando.
But as you mentioned, Rob, the tiers are out, and surprise, surprise,
Patrick Mahomes topped the list for the fifth consecutive season.
Named a unanimous Tier one quarterback for the fifth consecutive season,
one short of.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Aaron Rodgers' record. Pretty impressive for that one.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
What's interesting, though about this, Linn, is that three anonymous
coaches were all quoted in the piece about Patrick Mahomes,
and if you listen to the commentary, they're all almost
leading you down a track that would suggest maybe he
shouldn't be Tier one. Here's number one anonymous offensive cordiator
patri Mahomes says, quote, I think Mahomes is the best
quarterback to ever live, but the gap is smaller than
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it was a year ago. Anonymous GM says, quote, Mahomes
is the best quarterback in the world, but Josh Allen,
Lamar Jackson a better individual seasons. In fairness, the infrastructure
around Patrick has e road it last, but not least.
Anonymous head coach on Patrick Mahomes says, quote, Patrick Mahomes
obviously still a one, but he is winning out of
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need at the end of games.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
That's what it's about.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
But Burrow, Lamar and Josh played better than him in
quarters one through.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Four, and that's why I say it's lazy. Yeah, Patrick
Mahomes is not n ot a Tier one quarterback. He
has not played like a Tier one quarterback. Carry not
for last year, for the last two seasons. For the
(02:01):
last two seasons he has regressed and exhibit A. And
that's why I say all these executives or whatever they're living.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
In the past, they are and.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
They think that they can't say anything against Patrick because
he's one. I get it, He's won MVPs and he
started his career like a house on fire. But they're
not really looking at the numbers or being honest.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
And I'll ask you this, carry.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
How can your team be fifteen and two last year
and you get zero first place votes for MVP zero?
Is this not a quarterback league? Or am I wrong?
It's a quarterback league? How in the world did nobody
say Patrick Mahomes his numbers weren't there. His numbers aren't there.
(02:57):
It's not a lifetime Achievement award? Can we stop? It's
okay to say Patrick's not the best quarterback anymore. It
doesn't mean that he's a dog or he's terrible. It
just means, right now, Lamar had a better year than
he had the years won the MVPs three years in
a row. He's been first All Pro Quarterback.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes had the same numbers.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
You listen to people on it, Oh, Aaron Rodgers washed up?
Noa he has the same numbers. He's tier three on
this list and.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
He's tier three, and they're saying Patrick Mahomes' is unanimous
tier one.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
I mean, come on and let me just give you
some numbers. I'll let you go.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Last two seasons, Mahomes and then I don't even want
to mention coming off that Super Bowl we had like
a ten point seven QBR, you know, I mean, like
an awful But here it is as a pass of
the last two seasons touchdowns, he's averaging No, no, I'm
looking at interceptions nine point six. Those were early in
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the good years. Now it's up to twelve point five.
And the same thing with the yards. It was almost
five thousand yards. Now it's close to the four thousand
touchdowns down twelve a year.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I mean, I mean, like, what are they watching?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
But Carrie, I guess they feel compelled to just look
at things from the past. Because Patrick Mahomes is not
a Tier one quarterback. I'm based off of his play. Okay,
you can't base everything off what you just saw. I know,
and I just agreed with you on the league. Is
(04:40):
what have you done for me lately? That's one hundred
percent truth. That's for everybody else one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
But I'll tell you this, when you talk about tier
one quarterbacks him as far as him being unanimous, he's not.
There's the top four guys Patrick Mahomes, Burrows, Allen and
Lamar Jackson on any and given Sunday. Either one of
those guys can be them one quarterback in the league, right,
And so when you say something unanimous, that means there
should be without a shadow of a doubt that guy
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is levels above the others. And it's just not the
case anymore. The last couple of years you said it.
Lamar Jackson has outplayed him, for sure. Joe Burrow last
year definitely outplayed him. No, Josh Allen out played him
last and one d and Wan of winning an MVP
and a split vote year. I just don't even understand. Yeah,
it's just the only thing that I don't agree with
here is the unanimous thing. I mean as far as
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his talent, who he is, what he can be any
given down. If there's a third down in the fourth
quarter and a team needs a first down, I'm going
Patrick Mahomes, right, So he still has that cachet. He
needs his players around him to be a little bit better.
But again, at the top taer quarterback, you obviously raise
your talent, and he has done that in certain moments,
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just not overall overall. He's not the unanimous guy. And
that's what my that's what I would take from this.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Here's a Super Bowl eleven point four QBR was the
second loss of any game during his NFL career.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
He was bad in the first half.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
My homes posted career worst passer rating ten point seven
passing first downs one.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I just said first half.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Yeah, Yeorge per attempt two point four, yearge per completion
five point five.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
The longest completion was eleven year old.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
I could go on and on and on all right, Rob,
But wait a minute, so can you name any one
of his targets besides Travis Kelce.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
No, but great players elevate. Great players elevate. That's all
they say about Tom Brady. So sorry, Oh, he doesn't
have anybody. That guy was working at dunkin Donuts last week.
That's what they always. Okay, No, but that that's always
the argument, right right. And then I would say before
last year for Lamar, you be, all of his receivers
(06:44):
are a third tier receiver, not anymore. But I'm saying
early on and obviously with Derek Henry that also improved it.
And you know what, he took his game to even
a bigger level and had.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
An unbelievable year. He had four interceptions, three hit receiver.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Like you know that you watched the game he only
had one, like you would say like it was his
fault interception last year.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
I just think we'd fall in love with guys and
we don't want to admit or we feel like if
you say anything less, like you're disrespecting him.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I'll tell you why they do that, because when people
go out on limbs and say somebody is a unanimous decision,
they don't want their decision to look bad. It's more
it's that more than anything. It's like it's like you're
having to take you don't want to take to be wrong.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
But but but him, Marty. Think we don't do it
with Lebron. Okay, nobody. He's not the best player in
the league anymore. He's still playing, yes, Okay, he's putting up.
Nobody thinks he's the best player in the league. We
didn't do it Michael Jordan when he went to the Wizards,
nobody said he was the best player. Okay. So I'm saying,
at some point you got to look at it. And
I look at Patrick Mahomes, I see something very similar
(07:52):
to Brady. Where Brady went to nine years without winning
or whatever. I see that coming because they've been to
the Super Bowl a few times and now the team.
I don't think Andy Weed's getting older, you know what
I mean. You start losing pieces, things start to happen.
Guys aren't the same. Kelsey Wipe. This is probably his
last year. Like all these things start to happen and
then all of a sudden you're in a different spot.
(08:13):
But I thought, of what this this is over the top.
It's lazy eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. I'm
fired up eight seven seven six three sixty nine. You
already know it, you know, a week off and no
radio to yell at. I was just yelling at the
convention people. Look gluten. That gluten got me worked over, Alex.
(08:37):
My stomach was just bubbling, you know what I mean,
after a little bread.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You know, I'm okay good.
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If we are down with the King, Sean King, the
former NFL quarterback Fox Sports Radio NFL analysts showing us
what's up? Sean say, Hi to carry?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
What's up?
Speaker 8 (09:39):
What's carry?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
What's the news?
Speaker 8 (09:43):
Sers is the first gutta be ind.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
No, Sean, we just were talking about it and everybody
gets their panties in the bunch because he's not elevated
to the starter after that U first preseason game start
or whatever. Sean, can you break it down and let
people know, uh to stop? And they're making it And
this is the thing, I just berated a guy because
(10:11):
he's making it like nobody thinks he can play.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And there's levels to all of this. That's not the issue.
I'm not surprised that that he can play.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Play major college football, right, Okay, but where are you
on Shador and what did you see?
Speaker 8 (10:27):
Well, I like contexts and I like perspective. I think
those are two things that are very important. We're analyzing
professional sports. No one's saying Jackson Dark should start for
the Giants and he played actually better than Shador.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
No one's saying Kane McKee should start for the Eagles.
He had a phenomenal games that'sn't been it balled out.
People are still talking about, oh my god, and Stafford
is a healthy What are we gonna do? Right to
the to the Soduer fan base, there's this thing called process.
Let it play out. Was understand say Chador was the
(11:02):
one that had the sore hammy and Dylan Gabriel had
the game Shador had, they would be up and off.
Shador deserves a chance to prove what he can do. Right, Well,
what's right for the goose is right for the gander, Right,
those other guys are gonna get this shot. If Shador
is anywhere close to being self appointed legendary, that's the
easiest pathway to starting quarterback in the entire league. It'll happen.
(11:27):
But let the process play out. If he played bad,
I wasn't gonna say he sucks. Right, if he played great,
I wasn't gonna say he should be the starter. Let
the process play out.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
But you're right. And here's my issue. And I did
this with Cooper Flag when he had his first game.
Remember he was like three for ninety or whatever from
the field, right, And I just said, I just said, seriously,
you can't have it both ways, because if he were
to dropped forty, you would be random raving about how
great he is and then he has a terrible shooting
night and you want to pooh pull it. Same thing
(11:57):
with Shador. Had he had a bad night, people would
be it's his first game. What do you expect he
had nady rept with through, you know, and they would
make an excuse and my point, I'm with you, But
I do though, Sean, I think he's gonna wind up
getting cut by the Browns because they can't take four quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I don't see how you.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
Face it, carry. I don't know how you do this
for three outs. I've never heard ros he's not getting cut.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Okay, see what he means, he's not getting cut.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
How I said the same thing, I said, go to
get cut.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
Wow, he very well may be the best quarterback on
the Cleveland Browns roster. I'm not even arguing people that
feel like that. I'm simply telling them let the process
play out, Sean.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Sean, here's here's where I disagree with you.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
And you play quarterback in the NFL, I'm gonna disagree
because the coaches no.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Just hear me out, hit me out, Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
And I've always said I brought it up earlier about
Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson. Matt Flynn had every reason
to be the starting quarterback for Seattle. They gave him
a huge bag, they signed him. He had just set
the record for touchdowns with the Green Bay Package of
all quarterbacks in the history of that organization. And they
were looking for a quarterback and they got him. Russell
(13:18):
Wilson showed up and they didn't hesitate.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And my other point about Shador is about Tom Brady,
his mentor, who.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Could have easily drafted him right.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Tom Brady was a sixth round pick, so we know
it ain't about where you get drafted. Tom Brady works
out with the kid knows, the kid knows his DNA knows,
his dad knows what kind of effort he puts in
an energy and if he really wanted to, Tom Brady
could have told.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
The Raiders take that kid, and he did not. That's
what makes me question where Shador is. That's all so.
Speaker 8 (13:57):
Valuate quarterback. I don't need anybody else who's validation, perspective,
or opinion to go with what I see. So Dort
standards is a good quarterback. But what has happened is
because his brand has outgrown his own field production, he's
become very polarizing. The people that are in his corner
(14:18):
are so delusional that you get tired of hearing them,
and the people that the people that are against them
is not because of anything factual on the field. It's
just he's easy to dislike. If you knew should do it,
I would pick up the phone right now and say, dude,
just play football.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
That's what I said.
Speaker 8 (14:39):
Cut out, cut out all the other stuff, all the
showing up with your own crew of guys and the
legendary chain, and you run for a first down and
you're looking at your Automa puj on your rip. Just
play football. All that other stuff will come.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
That's why that's why teams passed on him, because if
he's not a franchise quarterback. They don't want to deal
with that, and we brought up Tim Tebow, we brought
up Kaepernick. After everything, nobody wants a distraction as a
backup quarters a backup.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
There's so much power in words, and you have to
really watch Rob because what Rob will do if you
say something and here agrees with and he'll try.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
To Sean, hey, I hear you something. I'm gonna switch
it up a little bit because that that topic is
obviously a polarizing one and a big one right now.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
But there's another one right now.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
The Athletic came out with a list of their quarterback tiers,
and obviously, you know the top four that we always
kind of going to each season saying Mahomes, Burrow, Alan
Jackson being you know, tier one. But in this list
they had Patrick Mahomes unanimously number one. And I disagree
with that part of it. So tell me about what
you think about that list, Sean, I think.
Speaker 8 (15:56):
It's six in one hand and half a dozen in
the other. I mean, he's the most accomplished current starring quarterback.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
It's not a Lifetime Achievement Award.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
It's supposed to be about this year you know, coming
into the year, and that's what it's supposed to be.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
You know, you bring guests on, let them talk. What
would argue with a person that says that that in
twenty twenty five. I don't think he's the most talented
or the most valuable quarterback. I do think Josh Allen
and Lamar Jackson just based on pure talent and how
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important they are. And if you gave me any quarterback
I could have in the league, it'd be hard and
it'd be a real argument about taking those two over Patrick.
But at the end of the day, a down year
for him was losing in the Super Bowl, so he's
got that on top of him. It's a very I think,
fluid conversation that changes from week to week.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I just think if you eliminate the names and you
put up the staff and whatnot, there's no way. And Sean,
here's the reason why it's a fraudulent list, and he
doesn't deserve to be on the top tier. How do
you go fifteen and two, get to the Super Bowl right,
and you got no votes, no first place vote for MVP.
That's in a quarterback league, that's impossible to do. But
(17:20):
people watched his body of work, and they know that
he didn't play that well, right, and that that's my point.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
So I just don't understand why can't you stay in
the middle sometimes like yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Okay, no, no, there's no middle.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
It's okay to say two thousand four, Patchick Mahomes was
not one of his elite years individually, right, but they
did enough to make the Super Bowl. Now you can
even say, you know what, he's got to come back
out and reassert his dominant individually, even if the team
is successful or not. That's fair. But to say you
(17:56):
don't deserve to be in the top tier, it's ludicrous.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Rob.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
You heard that, Rob, he said, it's not ludicrous, Ludicris Sean, Sean,
I'm with you on that. That's just what I told him.
I said, it's the only part I have with it
is being unanimous. Obviously he's not that guy right now.
I mean last last year, I mean week the week,
either one of those four can be the top guy.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
And so that's kind of where I said.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Yeah, So so let me put an exclamation point on
the Patrick Mahones thing. The fact that those other three
guys are in the same conference, and I think only
Burrow has made it to a Super Bowl, right then,
b that's a knock against Lamar and Josh.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Is that is this is this guys who made it
to the Super Bowl? Is it based off of that
or based on your numbers and how you played? I
don't think we know that.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
It shouldn't shouldn't be.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
Based on it shouldn't be based on the fact that
since Tarriek Hill was taking off of the Thieves and
move to Miami, Patrick hadn't been playing with the Okay,
there we go. You can argue that the Ravens and
the Bills got more offensive talent than the Chiefs. Yet
some kind of way, the Chiefs keep ending up in
the big Gamey what goes back to Mahon's brilliant And.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Now I'm gonna say this last thing you told me.
Can I ever be in the middle? That's for Chrissy
Hain and the pretenders? Oh man, I'm not in the
middle of the road and I never will be.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Sean, can you hear him?
Speaker 8 (19:32):
He let me say something so because I think this
needs to be said. Shout out to camp Ward. Very
rarely do we have a kid that's fought through what
he's fucked through. He's got one of the most amazing
stories ever, what it took for him to get to
the University of Miami, and then the way he handled
the process going number one to Tennessee, the way he's
approached being a professional, like he deserves to be more
(19:55):
of a topic of conversation nationally.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Like that, kid, luck, good luck. You know that's not
gonna happen. It's just not no. I'm with you. But
that's not how it goes. And you know how it is.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
People gonna it starts by intelligent platforms, intelligent guests like
myself continually bringing it up.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
It stays, it stays on the mind of people like
he's doing a hell of a job in Tennessee so far.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Well, we appreciate you, Sean King, Thank you so much.
All Right.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
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Speaker 5 (20:37):
Carry Here's something you don't know about me. But every
so often there's a story and my panties will get
in a bunch and this is one of those stories.
Oh man, I'm a little moist right now, I'm just
saying I'm a woman, rob g. We're talking about the
Athletics piece about the Quarterback Tears, and this drove me
(21:01):
to tears.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Are yes, the Athletic Annual Quarterback Tears came out today.
Mike Sander does a great job. Mike Center'll be on
the Odd Couple this Thursday, eight thirty pm. Means if
you want to check it out, and so I could
trash him, well, we're not trashing him. He's just compiling
a coration and we can tell him.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Like, what were they thinking? Especially with this one.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
So we mentioned early on in the show that there
are five quarterbacks listed in tier one on this chart. Yep,
Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. And you
would assume that number five is potentially Super Bowl MVP
Jalen hurts. No, you would assume it might be everybody's favorite.
(21:45):
Make a quarterback that would be Justin Herbert.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
And that's because and I get it. This size his arm,
am I right? He looks like a quarter looks like it. Yes,
he looks the part.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I get it. And why they all fall in love
with him. He's got a big arm.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
He's tall, he's big, I get all that, but he
hasn't played.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Up today, No, not yet than him.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Some might even say, if it's not Kaylen Williams, it's
the previous generational quarterback Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
No not either.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Instead, who is it the number five quarterback Tier one
in the NFL? None other then the ageless Wonder himself,
thirty seven year old bad back can't even practice these days.
Matthew Stafford aka stat Patford.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Oh my, absolutely ridiculous, the worst. I mean, this makes
you question the whole list. Seriously, Stafford is not a
Tier one quarterback. I mean what Jalen Hurts Carrie, here
we go.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
All right, let's get it.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
This has nothing to do with Cam Newton either, because
he he remember with Jayleen Hurts two as well, blaming
that he has a good team around them. What quarterback
who won a Super Bowl didn't have a great team.
I mean, stop that. That can't be your reason. I'm
not saying you have to pick him in your top ten,
but it can't be based off of the players around him.
Tell me why he's not in your top ten? And
(23:10):
I could buy that, but his reasoning didn't make any sense.
And here's my point. In the Super Bowl he lost
to Patrick Mahomes. He outplayed Patrick Mahomes. Fact, he played great,
except for the one fumble that wound up being costly, right,
but he played great in that. And now last year
(23:32):
the Eagles was supposed to be about what Carrie Saquon Barkley.
Oh my god, look at all that. He's unbelievable. He's
running from all these yards. He it's about Saquon. Squon
had about nine yards in the Super Bowl. I know
it wasn't that low, but you get my point. He
had no impact.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Every analyst you.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Wanted to listen to prior to the Super Bowl, you
know what it said, all the Chiefs have to do
is make Jayler heard throw the ball and put stop
Saquon and they can win the Super Bowl. And they
stopped Saquon. They stopped Saquon, and they still didn't win.
They got blowed out, as they say at the barbershop
carry They got blowed out, blowed blowed out, blowed out,
(24:18):
and he made every important throw you needed to make.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Am I right, you watched it. We all watched it.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
He played great and in that Super Bowl, and the
disrespect is still think that you would put a thirty
seven year old broken down Matt Stafford, who had most
of his career is about padded stats. That's what it's
called stat Padford in Detroit over Jalen Hurds.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I don't get it. I don't get it.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Matthew Stafford is a really good quarterback, and I know
you have your your stuff about him.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
I only because I watched them, you know what I mean?
Like I watched him. Yeah, so I'm not looking not
from afar. I covered I told you the same, Yeah,
I covered the Lions. I was a columnists in Detroit
every game for fifteen to twenty years, like every game.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yeah, And I'm going to tell you this about Jalen Hurts.
I'm not a big Jalen Hurts fan. I'm a fan
of his in big games though. In big games he
outperforms the other quarterbacks and so he does his game
rises to a different level in these games that makes
you want to put him on these lists, like just
like you have this affinity form and you think that
(25:36):
he should be five on this list.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Well, if I only think matt if Vanthew Stafford is okay,
that's where my issue.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Okay, gotcha because I'm comparing him to Stafford. Okay, gotcha,
because yes he would be. In my mind, he is
a tier two quarterback. Jalen Hurts now in big games.
In the two super Bowl games that you're talking about,
he was Tier one and those he played his butt
off in those games.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
So why do we give Patrick mahomes the love for
the coming up big in game.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I'm about to get to that. Okay.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
To be a tier one quarterback, you got to do
this day in and day out, day in and day out.
These the top four that we talked about, Mahomes Borough,
Allan Jackson stand above the rest. I understand that being
a tier one with Matthew Stafford being tier one. I
don't actually agree with that either. I think he's a
tier two guy because I think he falls in line
with these other guys, Jaydon Daniels, Herbert Golf, Stroud, Hurts, Mayfield,
(26:28):
all of those guys. I think he's in that same list.
So I just don't. I just don't see him being
tier one, and that's my only I have him in.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Tier one over Matthew Stafford, and then.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
He say over Matthew. Here's my argument. You know what
I'm saying, if it was this five list, he needs
to be there in front of in front of Stafford.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
If Stafford's not in the time, they only went with
the four the four I have. Okay, I told you
Patrick Mahomes the last two years not played as I
don't believe that year Stafford I think had what he
throwed twelve touchdowns, twenty touchdowns, eight interceptions. There was one
(27:11):
stretch last year were their offense it was all field goal.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
They couldn't score. Yeah, there's no I'm like, what is
it based on? Is it just.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Because you remember Matthew Stafford winning a game, winning the
Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Or what is it? Let me just say his last
thing Stafford.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Even you remember how they won the Super Bowl, right,
he threw a game winning touchdown?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yep, right, yep.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Not often dul quarterback throw a game winning touchdown to
win the Super Bowl at the end and not get
the MVP because he didn't play well. He had two
interceptions before that. He hadn't played well enough. And if
you remember, there was a penalty in the end zone.
That's what's set up the game winning touchdown for them
to win even win the Super Bowl, but Stafford didn't
play well enough.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
It's very rare that a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Throwing a game winning touchdown with time expiring doesn't win
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
We I'm gonna tell you this right now. In the
NFC Championship game last year, the game before the Rams
played the Eagles, and Stafford out performed Hurts in that game,
and except for when it mattered, it was could never
chance did have a chance to win. I mean, listen,
there were a real chance. I mean they couldn't get
the ball, but they couldn't stop. They know they got
(28:26):
the ball, Rob g didn't didn't they have the ball?
I went for four and out in the at the
end of the game.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Three scores in three score said it wasn't left. They
they brought him back, brought him back down.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
But they want a twenty yard line or something where
when they then went four and out, what were they
on the twenty five.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
They wanted twenty five had a chip that had a test.
But the Eagles defense had something to say about that.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
He did.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
It wasn't his fault, Hurts. I mean, Stafford in that
game balled out. You know why balled out?
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Okay, as usual because they were down three scores and
the defense, which I don't, I hate prevent Like I
just keep playing. I just just keep playing. Stop with
the prevent. That's how teams come back all the time.
You start doing stuff and players let people get behind
them somehow, And I'm like.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Why would you do that? Just play regular coverage. I
don't know, Rob g Am I a sugar nut? Am
I crazy? Rob g? What you got?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
If you think about that list? That is a terrible list. Look,
Matthew Stafford. He's one of those guys like they talk
about in basketball where they say, you know, Kyrie may
I have the accolade to some of his peers, but
he's your favorite player's favorite players.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Yeah, that's that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Matthew Stafford is a quarterback where he's like your favorite
quarterback's favorite quarterback because they see the size, see the talent,
they see the no look passes that he does, and like, man,
the way this guy plays quarterback is just incredible. And
then you look at the numbers and to Rob's point,
either they were down big and he came back and
put them all these stats, or you look at last
(30:00):
season where they did win.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
And they made the players. They had a little run there.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Rob talked about it on the show at Nauseum when
it was happening the month of December. The last three
games had to have it right, they got to win
to get in the postseason. Listen to these numbers. The
Rams offense scored thirteen, nineteen and twelve, but because the
defense had six.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Nine and nine, he's three and oh.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
So it's like man Stafford, he didn't really cooking in
that game. And then Matthew Stafford in three gotta have.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
It games to close the season.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Through one touchdown, one interception, one hundred and fifty three
yards per game.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
But he's a top tier quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I'm in no way, no way, Like it's got the
Jayalen Hurts where I'm running for sixty yards.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
And like, oh, I have to go.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Rob.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
I know you're throwing out these numbers now, but they
also the Rams game plan was a little different this year,
but last year they ran the ball with Camrick Williams
a lot. Why do they run it? That's their game.
They wanted to keep their defense off the field a
little bit. That's fair.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I know that's real football, right, it's real foot, But
isn't it also real football that you're trying to score
more than fourteen points a game.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Check that's that you can't have it.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
But you can't say, Hey, Joe Burrow's great because he
throws all these yards, all these touchdowns. TV reception is crazy, right.
But then also Patrick Mahomes is great because I know
he's like fifty nine percent completion and he's fifteenth in
quarterback rating, but he's fifteen to zero. Right, It's like
you can't be Jimmy Garoppolo and Damn Reno. Like there's
(31:32):
there's a whole spectrum that we got to cover here
in Matthew Stafford being as listed amongst the tier with yeah,
I mean Lamar Allen Burrow.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
And I just don't I don't think that.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
What was that was that Sesame Street or one of
these things don't don't go together. Whatever, it was like
something like he just doesn't fit with that when I
look at that list, that that's like we have nobody else?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Who else can we throw in it?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, that guy won a Super Bowl three years ago?
Would he be Tier two for you? Though?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Like I said, I think it's here two? Yeah, Lo, yeah,
I would be. I'd be more comfortable with too two.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Okay, I just well, you know what's funny is like
a third of the voters had Jalen Hurts in tier
three really, and it's like, so why does one guy
get the benefit? Is it because it like the way
it looks better?
Speaker 8 (32:17):
That just?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Is that really what it comes down?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Like the Lamar Jackson didn't get credit till this year,
I know, because he does it in a different way,
So he's never going to be appreciated the way some
of these other guys.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
But that's crazy, ohright, eight seven seven ninety nine on
Fox eight seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Who's better Jalen Hurts or Matthew Stafford? You know where
I'm coming from. Carry, I think is coming around right.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
You're with me?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Carry?
Speaker 6 (32:43):
No, I still think overall Matthew Stafford is a little
bit better doing the regular tas.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Okay, Yeah, I'm just saying I don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
No, I just you know why Carrie likes Stafford because
he used to pick off quarterbacks like that in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
So you kind of like, oh, no, I like that,
I like the gun. I like him. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
How many interceptions you get from Brett farre right. I
got a couple I know you did. Yeah, yeah, and
they came right to you, didn't they.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I can't even movies, I know, all right, right, you
know thinking, But even if even the statistician like made
that as a reception and they're not an interception, they
don't like, that's a reception, that's not the cat tymble.
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