August 14, 2025 • 39 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us how Minnesota Vikings defense coordinator Brian Flores can expose the NFL's history of racial discrimination with his latest lawsuit, and debate whether Shedeur Sanders' superstar status should be enough to propel him to the top of the Cleveland Browns quarterback race. Later, with Super Producer Rob G in for Rob, and he and Kelvin debate whether Tim Tebow is really the greatest college quarterback in NCAA history.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Rob G.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
We had some news in the NFL, Kelvin You know this,
Oh yeah, that had been going on, lawsuits and all.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Kinds of stuff and kind of came to a head.
We got some.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
News about black coaches the NFL and a lawsuit, Rob G.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Philliston.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Yeah, it's been a rough week for the NFL legal department.
First you had the John Gruden case move forward, and
he's going to be able to expose some stuff about
them and whether they may or may not have thrown
him under the bus to protect somebody else.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, now, ont day, let's say this real quick.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Hold on.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yep, you noticed being a Raiders fan, Al Davis, the
late great.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Owner of the Raiders, he used to beat the NFL
all the time.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
You remember that, repeated the repeated all the time, All
that they hated it, and.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Now they're taking another hit because on Thursday it was
determined by a court that the NFL can be officially
put on trial over civil claims that Brian Flores and
other black coaches face discrimination. Of course, this was day
we're trying to cover it up and say, hey, this
is an arbitration issue. We're to keep this in house.
In fact, Roger Goodell's going to preside over in the
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course of No. Hell no, this kind of stuff is inappropriate,
and we need to have a court system oversee this
whole thing, which means more importantly, emails, phone calls, text messages,
anything that they may have tried to keep under wraps
will eventually come to light.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well here's the other thing too.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I mean, the NFL could try to say a lot
of court now that they have to go forward with
a case, the last thing you want to do Kelvin,
as you know, is exposed all that discovery Like that's
why a lot of cases get settled. People wonder why
Wait a minute, I thought they were saying no, that
they were innocent all this, and then all of a sudden,
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it's like discovery shows. It's like, okay, turn over your
emails for the last five years, turn over your cell phone,
text messages, all this other stuff, and then you don't
want that on the public record, which is what happens
in the court case. But I'm going to say this
to you, this is no surprise whatsoever. And we know
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the NFL and the bad way that it is treated minorities,
especially former black players and coaches.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's well documented.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It's so bad that they actually had to have a
Rooney rule which was forcing owners to interview, even higher
to interview because coaching cycles would go by and there
would be six jobs open and not one black assistant
coach or anybody would get an interview. Forget about having
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a chance, not even an interview. Right, of course, you know,
I blame players for this because they've allowed this to happen.
They continue go to teams that have racist owners or
owners that don't give minorities equal opportunity, that have done
bad stuff, and they still continue as long as you
allow the owners to do their dirt and treat the
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coach black coaches the way that they have, they have
the power. Ask Donald Sterling when the players said we
will not play the playoff games if he's still an owner.
Guess how long that took for the NBA owners to
turn on one of their own. How long did that take?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Kelvin? Two seconds?
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Right, maybe an hour?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Stop stop them, honey, trained, When you stop the money train,
you'll get their attention. As long as you keep taking
their money, they're going to continue to do this.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
So bravo to the courts. And you know it's the idea.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
That some people are willing to fight and that's the
only way things get changed.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Kelvin, No, I'm just all I'm gonna really do is
add on I might. I'm gonna give you some some facts.
What a cover sheet?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
All facts? Would a cover sheets?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
When I'm about to give you two So the fact
that we had to have a Rooney rule just to
get an interview being a baseline, not even saying you
have to hire these folks right then you start to
do the math. The Runey rule now has been in
existence for twenty years. Rob twenty years. You know how
many black coaches we currently have?
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Three?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Three out of thirty two? What is the NFL? The
NFL is seventy percent black. Where else can you have
a workforce that is predominantly one thing? And you only
have a nine percent representation and power structure. Now, some
will say, well, hey, we'll just hire the folks who
you know the best opportunity. It doesn't matter if they're black, white,
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male females. Just give him opportunity. Well, in a utopian world,
that sounds great. Here's the thing. You hire from the
pools of coordinators oftentimes, Well you know what coordinators are.
They're ninety percent ninety percent non black in the NFL,
almost ninety percent white.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
So how am I getting a fair shake.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
When the pool that you would then pool talent from
brothers aren't in that? So then you also concern yourself
with the pipeline rob You say, all right, we gotta
start getting people in the pipeline.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
We've got to get him in.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well, only like sixteen of the top college coaches in
the country are black. I think it's sixteen of like
one hundred and sixty one hundred and seventy. So again,
where's the pipeline that you're gonna draw this talent from.
And you're in a league where you stare at potential
head coaches every single day, which has always been mind
boggling to me. Not everybody's gonna be a star. Not
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everyone is gonna play ten fifteen years. You know there's
a guy man, this defensive back. This defensive back will
be a great coach at some point. Wow, this running
back is gonna be a really good coach. Yo, this
second string, third string quarterback would be a great coach.
These are opportunities to get them in the pipeline, because
you know what happens when these kids in high school
in college, all they think about is playing football, right,
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They're all locked in. They don't see an example of well,
this is only gonna last. What do we always talk
about three or four years? But I can stay in
the game by being a coordinator, by being a head coach,
by being a general manager, by being you know, a
potentially maybe even owner. But having these positions, But subconsciously,
they don't even see that as options because they don't
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see it reflected in their faces. They're barely coordinators, they're
only three head coaches, and we know they're also barely
general managers. So in the positions of power as a player, subconsciously,
I don't see myself representing that. And there's no other
thing I was talking around g I can't think of
something else. Have a workforce as seventy percent women and
only have nine percent women as far as you know,
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running managers or you know and general managers or running
the business whatever it is. So the NFL absolutely is
going to try to settle. It's gonna be on Brian
floores to see if he wants to, I like Colin Kaepernick,
because it'll be interesting to see. Does he want to
move forward for the real progress to happen where the
skeletons have to be shown in the closet or does
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he say I'll take the five million, ten million, go
away and move on because he just went through another
head coaching cycle when he had an amazing defense in Minnesota,
when we know what he did down there in Miami,
and he didn't get another head coaching opportunity, so he.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Wanted has a lawsuit against the league.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
But right, but I'm saying, does or does he want
to just you know, will he settle?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
But exposing them, exposing them doesn't do anything if the
players go along, well what I mean till.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
The cow comes home.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Like you talked about what they have no shame. They
have no shame because they already no. They hire their sons,
they hire their relatives, they.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Have no shame.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
There is no shame because there's no rep because there's
no there's no pushback. And there's the only way that
this stops is if players say, Okay, Owner X, you
don't give minorities an opportunity of you.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I'm not going there as a free agent. I don't
want to go to that team. I don't want to
play for that. That's that that that's the only way,
because then.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You have to change. You have to change what you're
doing to attract people to play.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
But like you talked about with John Gruden or the
other day, I can't remember, I wasn't on, but I
know you and I have talked about it as well
in our text and whatnot.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Like with John Gruden, Man, that stuff comes out now.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
He didn't want a case and maybe they shouldn't have
put out his emails and all that, but it's out
there now. And if the NFL gets some of those emails,
some communications, some text messages, some and it will be
hear how the owners.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Speak about these things.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You know, if it older says, oh, let me go
get my token black interview real quick so I can
get it out the way to hire whoever I was
gonna hire if all that stuff comes out publicly to
be seen, not just what I think, because others will say,
you don't know that.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Come on, they just hired the best man for the job.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But if somebody sees it reads it, people will be like, WHOA,
I didn't know it was like that. You and I
already know, but others may be informed now and see
it in their face.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
So I give you credit because I just don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I think the players who won't even fight for their
own health care and pensions.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Are not going to fight for black coaches. I just
I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
They don't they have the worst. Would you admit that
they got the worst health care pension?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So they won't fight for their own and their families
and their future health.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
How in the world this is why this has been
allowed to happen.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I blame the players more than I blame the owners.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But I've really known the players, and I totally I
do understand that I'm saying the owners will then be
on you, me, other shows, the writers across the country
and potentially the world, if it were to get out,
the shame of it, more so than the players.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
I'm not talking about the players. The players are I'm
just saying that they don't.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
In a good, in a realistic and honest world, your
your approach is right.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I just don't think they care.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
And as long as they continue to play, and as
long as they continue to make money and the games
go on, they will say, oh, yeah, we got to
do a better job, and they'll keep doing business as usual.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I think there's some inflammatory emails and messages get out
by the right owners and the right general managers and
so on. I think they'll try to say face and
tuck their tails and try to you know, backpedal and
and and get and get some get right.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
But yeah, this is this was that was a.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Big win for Brian Flores and a big win, uh,
potentially a big win moving forward. We'll see how if
he takes a set of or how that all pays out,
because one thing, what the NFL got is some big
money and if they hit him with a ten million
dollar check, you know, like they did Colin Kaepernick.
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Speaker 5 (11:49):
We have some big numbers coming in out of the NFL.
And that is because, according to viewership numbers that the
NFL released on Wednesday, Evelyn Brown's first preseason game aka
the debut of Shador Sanders, was the NFL's NFL networks
most watch preseason contest since twenty fifteen. All right two
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point two million viewers. According to the VOLT, that debut
was the number one program on Friday Night across both
cable and broadcast television.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Big numbers, numbers and what those numbers rob and what
to me? What we have seen before, and by before,
I mean from two from a couple different people, from
Shador and Joe Flacco, and if you want to add
Kenny Pickett, now Dylan Gabriel. We don't really know much
about it. He's just kind of here, you know, he
hasn't really had a chance. So I'll put him. I
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reserved for him on the side.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I'm really looking at this, and I mean this sincerely.
This ain't radio. This ain't trying to be funny. That's
gonna say, make make sure, make sure you don't lose
your credibility here. I'd kim legitimately be Kiff not understanding
why you don't run with Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Here's why.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
This is the Browns who have done nothing with quarterbacks
for the last thirty forty years.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
In fact, let me read you something, Timkin.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Not true.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Baker Mayfield one beat the Steels in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I'm glad you said. Baker Mayfield, the guy that got
rid of I Digress. When they got it right, they
got it wrong and let him go. Cole McCoy, Brandon Whedon,
Jason Campbell, Brian Hoyer, Josh McCown, Cody Kessler, Baker Mayfield,
was actually solid to good for them.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Let him go.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Jacoby Brissett, Jameis Winston. We know he's just a turnover
weight to happen. My point is, and then, oh I
left out one guy, the guy you actually decided to
do something. No one else in the history, including Brett Farr,
Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, no nobody got two
hundred and thirty guaranteed. Deshaun Watson did from who the Browns.
The Browns need to do exactly what they think they're
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gonna do and do the opposite, and that is they
need to give Shadoor a chance. And I mean this sincerely.
Joe Flacco. We know what Joe Flacco is. He's probably
the first or second best breaking in the case of
emergency in the NFL. Whether it's Kirk Cousins, yo cousin,
not my cousin, whether it's him, I know what I got.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
He's been that he is.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
He's perfectly fine as a backup, you know what, he is,
very very good.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Serviceable backup.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But for once, why don't you try to find your
guy and build up your guy. Why don't you give
you a chance and see if he isn't good, he's not.
You got Dylan Gabriel and you got Kevin Pickett Kenny
Pickett to go with. And to me, and I mean this,
start to build something, do something. Joe Flacco's gonna win
you seven games, and you're gonna be right back here.
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Trying to get a quarterback, trying to figure it out
should do is clearly selling out.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
He's at the number two jersey.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
He's why people are watching, people are gonna go to
the games. And he also happens to be a pretty
solid quarterback from what we've seen thus far.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
And if he isn't, fine, Dylan Gabriel get in there.
But to me, why go?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And I mean this, Why go to Joe Flacco when
it's just a recyclable I know what it is. He's
two years removed from the last time he was good
with us. Now he's two years older. We let him
go when he won a playoff game. Now we want
him back, And I genuinely don't understand. Yes, well, he
seemed to be the better option, but you're gonna win
seven eight games, Max, why not go start to develop,
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build for your future and have something moving forward that
also is a hot ticket. Item that's selling jerseys that
could sell out the freaking stadium. To me, I genuinely
don't get to Joe Flacco. You know what that is.
You've been there before, Rob, you know exactly what that is.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
What first say out of stoff games?
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Okay, obviously you don't know anything about Cleveland Browns football
because they sell out. They don't have any empty seats.
So whether should doors the quarterback or not, that's what
they love that team and they've been showing up. So
it ain't about selling tickets or or the TV rating
for the Browns games.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
No.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
No, I'm just trying to.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Say, like, like none of that factors in. People are
gonna watch the games on Sunday during the season. People
are gonna go to Brown's games. They've been bad, they
haven't won anything, and people still.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
When they lost the team. No, No, that's not what
I'm saying. And you can't guarantee me that your door
is going to be better. You don't know that.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
That's in your that's your emotions getting the best of you.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
But I'm saying I'm going to look at the coaches
who are invested. You're not invested in this.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
You're just a bystander who is saying, yeah, this is
a shiny new toy.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Let's just go put them. Just put them in. It
can't be any just put them in. The coach is invested.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
That's his career, the general managers invested.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
That's his career. They're invested. I think it's silly.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
For guys like you and other people to just absolutely
think that these guys don't want to win.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Because I don't believe that. I don't believe that they're
not putting Shador Sanders in because they don't want to win.
It doesn't make any sense. That's not the nature of
the game to win. They watch them every day in practice,
they watched the film. They don't believe he's the starting quarterback.
Come what part don't you get?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
What's the only thing we've heard? No negative thing we've heard. No, No,
it's before he even got there. I keep telling you,
if he was that guy you're talking about what he
did at Colorado. You don't think the Raiders need a
quarterback long term? Tom Brady's right there. There were other
teams the Steelers need a team.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
No, I'm telling you about other teams that needed quarterbacks.
And your ratings thing which is as weak as it
gets because Tim Tebow. I could give you ratings in
twenty twelve when Tim Tebow was a quarterback, and guess what,
they couldn't wait he won a playoff game for the Broncos,
and you know what, they couldn't wait to get rid
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of him because they knew that he wasn't a good quarterback.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
No, but that's my poet. Who want more in college?
Who want more in college? Tim Tebow? Or see or Sandy? No,
let me, I'm asking you a question. More Oka, who
was a first round pick? Who was a first round
pick Tim Tebow? Okay, who got their coach fired for
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moving up to go pick Tim Tebow?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
That ultimately it cost him his job in Denver?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Right?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
And my point to you, yes, my point to you is,
I'm giving you exhibit A with this. The fans love him,
and the TV ratings and the selling of the jerseys.
He sold a more Mets jerseys than anybody. And guess
what didn't make it to the major leagues selling jerseys.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And all that.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
That's that's window.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
That has nothing to do.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
With we thought was a tailback. Nobody thought Tim Tebow
was a quarterback. We all knew he was a half back, tailback,
tight end Deshaw you're looking at your door is an
actual quarterback.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
And here's the part I'm saying. Let's say he sucks.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Let's find out why am I rolling out old Joe Fleco?
That hasn't How do you get your job in the NFL?
How do you get your job in the NFL? It's
the only sport where you practice more than you play,
and you earn your key, you earn your spot. They
watch you more than you play. You practice ten times
more than you play in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
So that's that's what they go off of.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
That's why people are watching great things.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
No, no, no, no, that no, you have heard.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And only see Did Patrick Mahons play in game one?
Did Patrick Mahons playing game one of the preseason?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I could go on. You gave this same argument for
justin fields, try jumping different if you're the Steelers.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Put the field.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Oh yeah, and he would not write you would not
right because he's not with the team. And here's your
point year old quarterback. And now the first thing they
say the Jets, no, no, I'm not And the Jets
are like this dude can't even move the offense.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Did you read the stories about him?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Can't throw the ball consistently, and that's why this Dallas
moved off of him. What I'm saying is, go see,
maybe shoulder isn't great.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
You know what Joe Flacco is.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He's two years older from the same guy that won
you a playoff game that you got rid of. So
clearly you didn't want him. Man, Now he's two years older.
Didn't look great last year? No, no, no, your argument
was about selling jerseys and that's why that doesn't That
doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Guy is Joe.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
That's when year old Aaron Rodgers. None of nobody cares
about that.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
None of this makes sense. Joe Jesco Fields is on his.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Third team in three years. That's so good, guy, that's
the guy.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
You hit the wagon too. We're good in twenty twenty.
Why is that coaching general manager? We have Joe Flaco.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Man, you better start developing and building something and moving towards.
Nobody builds anything. That's not what they do because when
they were building.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
No, no, they don't.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
They don't do that anymore.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You let me let me tell you ja Aeron Rodgers,
Aaron Rodgers didn't play for three and a half years.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
They don't build anymore. They put the quarterback in day one.
They don't build anything. And if you're not ready, they
don't put you in. That's the point. If you're ready,
anybody else.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
All those quarterbacks you mentioned got thrown in because they
think that their franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
They don't believe your door.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
In door won't get thrown in. He's still may because
they're sitting there saying Kenny Pikett ain't nothing, and Dylan
Gabriel can be in this coming.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Maybe it's him. I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
My point is it can't be that you're selling me.
Joe Flacco is the guy. Yes, he's a proven veteran
in the Super Bowl chat respectfully, but that can't be
you moving forward. Joe Flaco won with an amazing defense.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Man, Peyton Manning, win a Super Bowl and late in
his career, yes, with it the world were now okay, okay,
I'm asking you. Did they didn't put brock Brockwaller in there, right?
They put they won the Super Bowl with an old quarterback,
did they not?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
That's my point.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
They did.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Joe Flacco won a Super They didn't say no, let's
play brocks Waller because he's younger and he and he
represents the future.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
No, they did not. They put the veteran in. They
did not put him in.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Ever. Compared Peyton Manning to Joe Flacco, Peyton Manning is
Peyton Manning arguably the top five quarterback all time.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Both they both won Super Bowl that both respect.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Joe was a solid quarterback who had an amazing defense
al Brad Johnson at Trent Dilford.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
He had one of the greatest Super Bowl runs. Go
look at the stats.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Nobody he had one of the greatest runs to a
Super Bowl any quarterback has ever.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
That's why Joe.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Still Manning in the same name.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And my point is an old quarter played and it
ain't that Joe flat you're talking about. I want TV
ratings argument.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Since I'll give you that. Okay, least he's Aaron Rodgers. Okay,
I get it.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
That's Flaco. That's what the Browns just say.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
No, we're gonna be stubborn and close our eyes because
we got Joe Flacco.
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Speaker 5 (23:34):
What's crazy about this story? There's not even really a story.
This is just a matter of fact. So you guys know,
you know, the Associated Press does the All American Team
right for college sports, and that's been going on since,
as Rob says, since Moby Dick was a guppy. Like
forever and ever and ever. The AP decides who the
best players are in goldge football, and as part of
their one hundredth anniversary, they announced what they believe to
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be the all time all a Mayor list of players.
So there's a who's who. You know, you got legends
like Deon Sanders, not surprising, you know. More recently, guys
like Brock Powers. They had met the all time tight
end because he was just a monster in Georgia for
a couple of seasons. When it came time to quarterback though,
that's the one that everybody could kind of focused on,
because there is a list depending on your age group
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that everybody thinks, Oh, it's definitely Cam Newton, It's definitely
Tommy Fraser, it's definitely you know, Joe Monte. Whoever, whatever
your age and your region of the country, you have
a guy who you believe is the greatest college quarterback
either ever or the one that you've seen. Well, they've
decided the debate is over. Well, we're gonna tell you
right now who the greatest college quarterback was in NC
(24:44):
DOUABA history. And it's none other than a man that
you actually talked about last hour, Tim Tebow. Acquording to
these voters, all twelve of them with ap, Tim Tebow
has been crowned as the starting quarterback, the first team
back for their all time one hundred anniversary of all
American quarterbacks, edging out a close second. One was how
(25:07):
close it was Texas quarterback Vincian.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I wish that I could get on these Fox Sports
radio they couple airwaves and tell you that they got
it wrong and make a ball humbug, big fuss. But Daggittt,
you ain't wrong when you're right, and they're absolutely right.
You can make an argument. He's one of the top
ten college football players of all time any position, and Daggett, you,
(25:32):
dag near might even go top five.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
And I'm not mad at you. I mean, what he did.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Is spectacular, especially considering he was a quarterback. Now, granted,
he looked like a running back, tailback, fullback playing in
a quarterback position. Let me throw some numbers at you,
my guy, Rob g He completed sixty seven percent of
his passes for ninety three hundred yards, when we don't
even think about him as a high percentage completion passing quarterback,
eighty eight touchdowns and only sixteen interceptions. Look at that
(25:59):
touchdown inn exception ratio for again, for a guy that
we don't think of.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
As carving defenses up.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Meanwhile, he added almost three thousand rushing yards and fifty
seven rushing touchdown. He has a Heisman Trophy winner. He
helped his team win back to back national titles. He
kind of came on the second end of that as
a starter. And again he is sixth in Florida, Florida
in rushing yards total. Sixth at Florida, the same place
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where Emmett Smith comes from, and so many other backs,
Fred Taylor and so on and so forth. Six in
rushing That is absolutely crazy. Fourth in all time in
passing yards at Florida. This is absolutely astonishing what he's
evil doing. You also add in the pop culture flair.
(26:47):
You are in one of the greatest, most iconic speeches
to his team getting fired up.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
You know he's got blood on his forehead.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I mean like he to me is that guy when
I think of a college football quarterback.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Again, not traditional.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
He wasn't a guy like a Peyton Manny who was
throwing the ball off pristine and beautiful. He wasn't Andrew
luck where it just looked like a prototypical quarterback. He
wasn't John Elway in the sense of Matthew Stafford, where
we kind of went, well, that's a quarterback. You kind
of knew it off the bat. But he just epitomized
college football. Win it all costs, whatever it takes. Leader
(27:21):
of this team, get on my shoulders, will get it
done by any means necessary. So I don't have it. No,
I don't have a problem with it. To me, I
it was. It was a no brainer for me. He
embodied what a quarterback, a winning quarterback in college Now
pros you start to think more Tom Brady, the Joe
Montana guys who throw the ball who fit the mold
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a little bit, and you know who are more of
a prototypical if you will. But for what he did
at Florida, what he meant pop culture wise, winning national
Championship as well.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
I only got two words for you, Doug.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Stop it.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
What what are you saying right now?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Now?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
I'm gonna try to be as as nice and as
respectful as possible because Tim Tebow is straight with the
Lord in ways that I'll never be. And I want
to make sure I get into the Pearly Glate gates.
And I feel like Tebow could put in a good
word for me if I really needed it.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
So you need to get to the Pearly gates. I
could throw a word. T Bow can as well.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
I mean, Whileo's I don't want no disrespect to you,
but Tebow's were probably counted like fifteen times more than
the Dovie.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
Can't believe then, you don't know the Lord.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Tim Tebow in parts of Florida is the Lord. And
you know that basically what I just said, what you
just said, right, No, but look, Tim Tebow was great.
Tim Tebow, you know, for my generation, is easily the
best you know, college quarterback. I think.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Ever, now you better say somebody great, Robie.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I'm gonna tell you why. The guy who should have
been at the top of this list is Tommy Fraser
from Nebraska. Tommy Fraser, unlike Tim Tim Tebow, gets credit
for being a two time national champion. Tommy Fraser is
a legitimate two time now because he was starting both
of those seasons ninety five back to back. Tim Tebow
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was a gadget guy. The first time, I believe in
it was Chris Leak at quarterback in Florida the first nine.
Here's another fun fact about Tommy Fraser and Nebraska. He
is the only player in college football history to earn
MVP honors in three consecutive national championship games. Now, if
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that's not impressive enough as it is, I mentioned they
went back to back ninety four ninety five. That means
he was named MVP in ninety three in a game
that they lost. That is icon legendary. Jerry West the
logo type stuff. You can't do that anymore. That doesn't
exist in sports nowadays. Tommy Fraser was that incredible as
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a college quarterback. And the last reason, and this is
the reason why I'm gonna give him the nod over
t but what gets close, But this is whath I'm
gonna give him the nod. Okay, the nineteen ninety five
Nebraska Cornhuskers are widely regarded as one of, if not
the best team in college football history, as great as
Tim Tebow was and as talented as those Gators teams were.
(30:09):
Matter of fact, you could do a thirty for thirty
on one of those teams when it was you know,
Tebo cam Newton's on the team, Percy Harvin's on the team,
Riley Cooper's on the team, or nan is on the team,
the pouncies on the team, like the cast of characters
alone on that team with Urban Meyer as the coach
would make for an incredible FX like mini series. But
(30:29):
nobody viewsed any of those Gator teams as one of
the greatest teams in college football history. And that nineteen
ninety five Nebraska team is like one that is almost
a mythical team because it wasn't just that they won
and that they were the champions. It's that they bludgeoned
every single team that they played, and they did it
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in a way that was not as flashy as like
the you guys of the eighties. It wasn't as exciting
as what you might see with Burrow and the twenty
nineteen LSU team. But they just grinded you over and
over and over. Power to the left, power to the right,
option up the middle, and look for all those reasons.
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Tommy Fraser is the greatest college quarterback ever.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Man. If you don't cut that out, Tommy Frazer gonna
send you a thank you card. He was absolutely spectacular,
and it was a more amazing football players to watch.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
He was in that era of me, you know when
you really start watching sports. You know, I'm ten, eleven,
twelve whatever. It was like that run. Maybe a little
bit older, but that was like I remember that. He
was incredible. But since you want to go there, let
me spit some facts to you. What a cover sheet
the man? The man completed.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Forty nine percent of his passes is a different era. Oh,
you want to give me some numbers?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
No, let me cook, dangan, let me put this apron
on a cook forty nine percent of his passes for
you can't even give me fifty Tommy, I continue the
same year you talking about, nineteen ninety five, demand.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Threw for thirteen hundred yards. Thirteen hundred yards.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Matter of fact, I'll spot you his entire career, he
only threw for thirty five hundred yards his whole career.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
He only threw for seventeen passing yards.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Let me get back to my guy, Jesus's favorite, Tim Tebow.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I'm glad you're a Mintigan now before you were on the.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Yeah, I got admitted. I listen, I'm gonna get in.
But you know, I might get it.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
He might have it's a line. If it's in a line,
I might be that last third. He might get in
a little bit.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
You know. He held on the things longer than I did.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Look at it, sixty seven percent of his passes for
ninety three hundred yards, eighty eight touchdowns. And I just
told you Tommy only threw for thirty two in his career.
So when they're looking at a quarterback, they ain't saying
you gotta be a getting Payton Manning, but you got
to be better than fifty percent complete career completion percentage.
That's atrocious. So that is the difference. Tommy was spectacular.
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Tommy is what they were concerned with when they started
to do that with brother quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Well, he ain't gonna be a quarterback. He's just an athlete.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
They were thinking of Tommy, not Lamar, not Cam not
Deshaun Watson, some of these other guys that could do it,
you know, and run and pass.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
He's what they were worried about.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Just a running back who, by the way, can throw
a pass every now and again. That was Tommy Fraser,
which is why they ran. They ran the ball with him.
They ran the ball runningacks. Nebraska's running over everybody. Tim
t By at the time was a very much still
a passing quarterback while also running till we got to pros.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
But stay focused on college. We ain't gonna talk about
the pros.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Right then, let me just say one thing for a
guy who couldn't throw, the fact that Tommy Frasier was
named the Johnny Uniteds Golden Arm Award recipient and ain't
Toenny five kind of you know, your argument collapsed on itself,
But just quickly, can we get to the calls here
we're talking Obviously there's guys who were great for one season,
two seasons. But because of the way college full paul
(34:00):
as you're talking about the greatest of all time, it
naturally eliminates the one hit wonders. So that's why a
guy like Joe Burrow.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Joe Burrow could have had that right so that's that's
my question is if you were to say, because I
think it's really two guys, it's Camon and Burrow, which
one of those guys if they had played another year
or two at that.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Level, would we do you think either one of them
would would have overtaken t Bow or Tommy Frasier.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
I think they both had a chance.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Cam because the way he was kind of dragging the team.
He had a he had some he had a really
good defense with that Auburn team. His offense wasn't the greatest.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Any fun fact about Cam Newton's championship team. Nobody else
on that offense played in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Nick case in point right and then and the Lions
drafted a Nick Fair tackle. Yeah, so he you know
he would He had a couple of coffee in the
late for a little bit, but that the team offensively
was just Cam and he was that spectacular.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Joe Burrow was throwing to some guys.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
As we know because they're all in the pros, and
but I was telling you earlier some of the throws
he was making. Man, I mean I was blown away
at Joe Burrow. I'm like, this is he the best
quarterback i've ever seen. It was insane what he was doing.
Those two guys put on a show for one singular year,
so how they had to double that up another year
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or two or three. I don't think we'd be having
these conversations at all. But also at last point you
can disagree. I do think there's something to the extra
and I think Tim Tebow with just the drama and
even in his faith, because it was polarizing whether you
loved it or hated.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Maybe you loved Jess, maybe hey Jesus, whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
And remember he had the blood coming down his face
one time because he was running with no helmet, Like
there has to always be something that makes you extra,
Like Muhammad Ali was the greatest boxer. Yeah yeah, yeah,
but there are other people who might've been technically better. Right,
A lot of people say Ray Robinson, Naza, Ray Leonard Sugar,
Ray Robinson, A lot of people may say Floyd. But
it was the talking, it was the dancing, it was
(36:07):
his stance on political things like sometimes to be the greatest,
it isn't just the play. And I think Tim always
had that in his favor, Like the speech I mentioned,
just just you gotta have something if you're just the
guy that just was really good. Sometimes that's not good enough.
It was Tiger because he was different. He was black,
he was Asian, he was pimping his fist, he wore
(36:29):
red on Sundays. He was more emphatic than any other
You ge what I mean? You gotta give me something else? Yeah,
because there's always somebody that's good or great. What separates you.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
And shout out to Kaplin asent. Tiger Wood was by
the way, first one in history. That's why and only
and only No. So, yeah, I agree with you, and
I think I think that's why Tim Tebow probably did
get this nod. But in that same line of thinking,
and this is why I actually, you know, if I'm
disregarding Tommy Frazi's for the purpose of this conversation, Yeah,
but this is why I'm I wouldn't even have Vince
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Young number two. I would put Matt Liner number two
because Matt Lioner won at a high er time that
Vince Young, and similar to Tim Tebow, there was a
moment in time, especially because there was no NFL in
Los Angeles where they were the biggest show in town.
Doubt like that they were an NFL team with Snoop
Dogg at every game, celebrities on the sideline like they
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were a Hollywood script, you know, legends him and Reggie Bush,
you know, Big Mike William, Dwayne Jerrard, like all these guys.
They were celebrities in college before the NIL. Like if
the NL exists back then, you know what what fifteen
million dollars a year for these guys.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
We're talking about his mama getting the house. His mam
would have had a Beverly Hills mansion exactly.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
And that liner was like the you know, the the
George Clooney of that team where it's like, oh, look
at this handsome, tall quarterback and all he does is
win games.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
No he d That team was By the way, though,
Vince Young and that that National Championship game any sports,
not just football college football, NFL, and that is one
of my top two three favorite games of any sport
in any time.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
I mean, that was amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
All the celebrities and stars, specifically the stars I mean
on the field, they lived up to the hype, you
know what I mean, Like you, Matt played great, Reggie
was great, Lindell White was great, Vince Young was great.
On the defensive end huff for the Texans was great.
Like the what was the running back he ended up
going to the league? Cedric was Cedri Benson?
Speaker 5 (38:28):
No, Cedric Benson was before? That wasn't Jamal Charles, Was.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
It Jamal char I think it was like everybody was great,
all the stars played.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
That was just an amazing game.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
Well you know, you know how big of a game
that was. It is because I think we can all
agree that Reggie Bush is on the short list of
greatest players ever. Like you mentioned crazy, Reggie Bush was
so hyped for that game. He tried to do a
lateral in the first quarter on like a forty yard
run and it led to a fumble. But he was
so pumped and it's like, Yo, this is the biggest
stage of probably ever gonna play on. I'm about to
(39:00):
make something happen. And then it backfired wildly.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
They did backfire. But what a game, What a game
that was, Man, that was a great time.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Rob G.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
We had some news in the NFL, Kelvin You know this,
Oh yeah, that had been going on, lawsuits and all.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Kinds of stuff and kind of came to a head.
We got some.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
News about black coaches the NFL and a lawsuit, Rob G.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Philliston.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Yeah, it's been a rough week for the NFL legal department.
First you had the John Gruden case move forward, and
he's going to be able to expose some stuff about
them and whether they may or may not have thrown
him under the bus to protect somebody else.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, now, ont day, let's say this real quick.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Hold on.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yep, you noticed being a Raiders fan, Al Davis, the
late great.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Owner of the Raiders, he used to beat the NFL
all the time.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
You remember that, repeated the repeated all the time, All
that they hated it, and.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Now they're taking another hit because on Thursday it was
determined by a court that the NFL can be officially
put on trial over civil claims that Brian Flores and
other black coaches face discrimination. Of course, this was day
we're trying to cover it up and say, hey, this
is an arbitration issue. We're to keep this in house.
In fact, Roger Goodell's going to preside over in the
(01:36):
course of No. Hell no, this kind of stuff is inappropriate,
and we need to have a court system oversee this
whole thing, which means more importantly, emails, phone calls, text messages,
anything that they may have tried to keep under wraps
will eventually come to light.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well here's the other thing too.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I mean, the NFL could try to say a lot
of court now that they have to go forward with
a case, the last thing you want to do Kelvin,
as you know, is exposed all that discovery Like that's
why a lot of cases get settled. People wonder why
Wait a minute, I thought they were saying no, that
they were innocent all this, and then all of a sudden,
(02:18):
it's like discovery shows. It's like, okay, turn over your
emails for the last five years, turn over your cell phone,
text messages, all this other stuff, and then you don't
want that on the public record, which is what happens
in the court case. But I'm going to say this
to you, this is no surprise whatsoever. And we know
(02:40):
the NFL and the bad way that it is treated minorities,
especially former black players and coaches.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's well documented.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It's so bad that they actually had to have a
Rooney rule which was forcing owners to interview, even higher
to interview because coaching cycles would go by and there
would be six jobs open and not one black assistant
coach or anybody would get an interview. Forget about having
(03:13):
a chance, not even an interview. Right, of course, you know,
I blame players for this because they've allowed this to happen.
They continue go to teams that have racist owners or
owners that don't give minorities equal opportunity, that have done
bad stuff, and they still continue as long as you
allow the owners to do their dirt and treat the
(03:37):
coach black coaches the way that they have, they have
the power. Ask Donald Sterling when the players said we
will not play the playoff games if he's still an owner.
Guess how long that took for the NBA owners to
turn on one of their own. How long did that take?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Kelvin? Two seconds?
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Right, maybe an hour?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Stop stop them, honey, trained, When you stop the money train,
you'll get their attention. As long as you keep taking
their money, they're going to continue to do this.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
So bravo to the courts. And you know it's the idea.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
That some people are willing to fight and that's the
only way things get changed.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Kelvin, No, I'm just all I'm gonna really do is
add on I might. I'm gonna give you some some facts.
What a cover sheet?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
All facts? Would a cover sheets?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
When I'm about to give you two So the fact
that we had to have a Rooney rule just to
get an interview being a baseline, not even saying you
have to hire these folks right then you start to
do the math. The Runey rule now has been in
existence for twenty years. Rob twenty years. You know how
many black coaches we currently have?
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Three?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Three out of thirty two? What is the NFL? The
NFL is seventy percent black. Where else can you have
a workforce that is predominantly one thing? And you only
have a nine percent representation and power structure. Now, some
will say, well, hey, we'll just hire the folks who
you know the best opportunity. It doesn't matter if they're black, white,
(05:07):
male females. Just give him opportunity. Well, in a utopian world,
that sounds great. Here's the thing. You hire from the
pools of coordinators oftentimes, Well you know what coordinators are.
They're ninety percent ninety percent non black in the NFL,
almost ninety percent white.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
So how am I getting a fair shake.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
When the pool that you would then pool talent from
brothers aren't in that? So then you also concern yourself
with the pipeline rob You say, all right, we gotta
start getting people in the pipeline.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
We've got to get him in.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well, only like sixteen of the top college coaches in
the country are black. I think it's sixteen of like
one hundred and sixty one hundred and seventy. So again,
where's the pipeline that you're gonna draw this talent from.
And you're in a league where you stare at potential
head coaches every single day, which has always been mind
boggling to me. Not everybody's gonna be a star. Not
(05:59):
everyone is gonna play ten fifteen years. You know there's
a guy man, this defensive back. This defensive back will
be a great coach at some point. Wow, this running
back is gonna be a really good coach. Yo, this
second string, third string quarterback would be a great coach.
These are opportunities to get them in the pipeline, because
you know what happens when these kids in high school
in college, all they think about is playing football, right,
(06:20):
They're all locked in. They don't see an example of well,
this is only gonna last. What do we always talk
about three or four years? But I can stay in
the game by being a coordinator, by being a head coach,
by being a general manager, by being you know, a
potentially maybe even owner. But having these positions, But subconsciously,
they don't even see that as options because they don't
(06:42):
see it reflected in their faces. They're barely coordinators, they're
only three head coaches, and we know they're also barely
general managers. So in the positions of power as a player, subconsciously,
I don't see myself representing that. And there's no other
thing I was talking around g I can't think of
something else. Have a workforce as seventy percent women and
only have nine percent women as far as you know,
(07:04):
running managers or you know and general managers or running
the business whatever it is. So the NFL absolutely is
going to try to settle. It's gonna be on Brian
floores to see if he wants to, I like Colin Kaepernick,
because it'll be interesting to see. Does he want to
move forward for the real progress to happen where the
skeletons have to be shown in the closet or does
(07:26):
he say I'll take the five million, ten million, go
away and move on because he just went through another
head coaching cycle when he had an amazing defense in Minnesota,
when we know what he did down there in Miami,
and he didn't get another head coaching opportunity, so he.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Wanted has a lawsuit against the league.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
But right, but I'm saying, does or does he want
to just you know, will he settle?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
But exposing them, exposing them doesn't do anything if the
players go along, well what I mean till.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
The cow comes home.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Like you talked about what they have no shame. They
have no shame because they already no. They hire their sons,
they hire their relatives, they.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Have no shame.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
There is no shame because there's no rep because there's
no there's no pushback. And there's the only way that
this stops is if players say, Okay, Owner X, you
don't give minorities an opportunity of you.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I'm not going there as a free agent. I don't
want to go to that team. I don't want to
play for that. That's that that that's the only way,
because then.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You have to change. You have to change what you're
doing to attract people to play.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
But like you talked about with John Gruden or the
other day, I can't remember, I wasn't on, but I
know you and I have talked about it as well
in our text and whatnot.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Like with John Gruden, Man, that stuff comes out now.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
He didn't want a case and maybe they shouldn't have
put out his emails and all that, but it's out
there now. And if the NFL gets some of those emails,
some communications, some text messages, some and it will be
hear how the owners.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Speak about these things.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You know, if it older says, oh, let me go
get my token black interview real quick so I can
get it out the way to hire whoever I was
gonna hire if all that stuff comes out publicly to
be seen, not just what I think, because others will say,
you don't know that.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Come on, they just hired the best man for the job.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But if somebody sees it reads it, people will be like, WHOA,
I didn't know it was like that. You and I
already know, but others may be informed now and see
it in their face.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
So I give you credit because I just don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I think the players who won't even fight for their
own health care and pensions.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Are not going to fight for black coaches. I just
I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
They don't they have the worst. Would you admit that
they got the worst health care pension?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So they won't fight for their own and their families
and their future health.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
How in the world this is why this has been
allowed to happen.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I blame the players more than I blame the owners.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But I've really known the players, and I totally I
do understand that I'm saying the owners will then be
on you, me, other shows, the writers across the country
and potentially the world, if it were to get out,
the shame of it, more so than the players.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
I'm not talking about the players. The players are I'm
just saying that they don't.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
In a good, in a realistic and honest world, your
your approach is right.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I just don't think they care.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
And as long as they continue to play, and as
long as they continue to make money and the games
go on, they will say, oh, yeah, we got to
do a better job, and they'll keep doing business as usual.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I think there's some inflammatory emails and messages get out
by the right owners and the right general managers and
so on. I think they'll try to say face and
tuck their tails and try to you know, backpedal and
and and get and get some get right.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
But yeah, this is this was that was a.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Big win for Brian Flores and a big win, uh,
potentially a big win moving forward. We'll see how if
he takes a set of or how that all pays out,
because one thing, what the NFL got is some big
money and if they hit him with a ten million
dollar check, you know, like they did Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
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Speaker 6 (11:35):
What the he.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Get him?
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Pore that fool.
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Speaker 3 (11:46):
He's still moving.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
We have some big numbers coming in out of the NFL.
And that is because, according to viewership numbers that the
NFL released on Wednesday, Evelyn Brown's first preseason game aka
the debut of Shador Sanders, was the NFL's NFL networks
most watch preseason contest since twenty fifteen. All right two
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point two million viewers. According to the VOLT, that debut
was the number one program on Friday Night across both
cable and broadcast television.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Big numbers, numbers and what those numbers rob and what
to me? What we have seen before, and by before,
I mean from two from a couple different people, from
Shador and Joe Flacco, and if you want to add
Kenny Pickett, now Dylan Gabriel. We don't really know much
about it. He's just kind of here, you know, he
hasn't really had a chance. So I'll put him. I
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reserved for him on the side.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I'm really looking at this, and I mean this sincerely.
This ain't radio. This ain't trying to be funny. That's
gonna say, make make sure, make sure you don't lose
your credibility here. I'd kim legitimately be Kiff not understanding
why you don't run with Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Here's why.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
This is the Browns who have done nothing with quarterbacks
for the last thirty forty years.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
In fact, let me read you something, Timkin.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Not true.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Baker Mayfield one beat the Steels in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I'm glad you said. Baker Mayfield, the guy that got
rid of I Digress. When they got it right, they
got it wrong and let him go. Cole McCoy, Brandon Whedon,
Jason Campbell, Brian Hoyer, Josh McCown, Cody Kessler, Baker Mayfield,
was actually solid to good for them.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Let him go.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Jacoby Brissett, Jameis Winston. We know he's just a turnover
weight to happen. My point is, and then, oh I
left out one guy, the guy you actually decided to
do something. No one else in the history, including Brett Farr,
Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, no nobody got two
hundred and thirty guaranteed. Deshaun Watson did from who the Browns.
The Browns need to do exactly what they think they're
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gonna do and do the opposite, and that is they
need to give Shadoor a chance. And I mean this sincerely.
Joe Flacco. We know what Joe Flacco is. He's probably
the first or second best breaking in the case of
emergency in the NFL. Whether it's Kirk Cousins, yo cousin,
not my cousin, whether it's him, I know what I got.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
He's been that he is.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
He's perfectly fine as a backup, you know what, he is,
very very good.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Serviceable backup.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But for once, why don't you try to find your
guy and build up your guy. Why don't you give
you a chance and see if he isn't good, he's not.
You got Dylan Gabriel and you got Kevin Pickett Kenny
Pickett to go with. And to me, and I mean this,
start to build something, do something. Joe Flacco's gonna win
you seven games, and you're gonna be right back here.
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Trying to get a quarterback, trying to figure it out
should do is clearly selling out.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
He's at the number two jersey.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
He's why people are watching, people are gonna go to
the games. And he also happens to be a pretty
solid quarterback from what we've seen thus far.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
And if he isn't, fine, Dylan Gabriel get in there.
But to me, why go?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And I mean this, Why go to Joe Flacco when
it's just a recyclable I know what it is. He's
two years removed from the last time he was good
with us. Now he's two years older. We let him
go when he won a playoff game. Now we want
him back, And I genuinely don't understand. Yes, well, he
seemed to be the better option, but you're gonna win
seven eight games, Max, why not go start to develop,
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build for your future and have something moving forward that
also is a hot ticket. Item that's selling jerseys that
could sell out the freaking stadium. To me, I genuinely
don't get to Joe Flacco. You know what that is.
You've been there before, Rob, you know exactly what that is.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
What first say out of stoff games?
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Okay, obviously you don't know anything about Cleveland Browns football
because they sell out. They don't have any empty seats.
So whether should doors the quarterback or not, that's what
they love that team and they've been showing up. So
it ain't about selling tickets or or the TV rating
for the Browns games.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
No.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
No, I'm just trying to.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Say, like, like none of that factors in. People are
gonna watch the games on Sunday during the season. People
are gonna go to Brown's games. They've been bad, they
haven't won anything, and people still.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
When they lost the team. No, No, that's not what
I'm saying. And you can't guarantee me that your door
is going to be better. You don't know that.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
That's in your that's your emotions getting the best of you.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
But I'm saying I'm going to look at the coaches
who are invested. You're not invested in this.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
You're just a bystander who is saying, yeah, this is
a shiny new toy.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Let's just go put them. Just put them in. It
can't be any just put them in. The coach is invested.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
That's his career, the general managers invested.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
That's his career. They're invested. I think it's silly.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
For guys like you and other people to just absolutely
think that these guys don't want to win.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Because I don't believe that. I don't believe that they're
not putting Shador Sanders in because they don't want to win.
It doesn't make any sense. That's not the nature of
the game to win. They watch them every day in practice,
they watched the film. They don't believe he's the starting quarterback.
Come what part don't you get?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
What's the only thing we've heard? No negative thing we've heard. No, No,
it's before he even got there. I keep telling you,
if he was that guy you're talking about what he
did at Colorado. You don't think the Raiders need a
quarterback long term? Tom Brady's right there. There were other
teams the Steelers need a team.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
No, I'm telling you about other teams that needed quarterbacks.
And your ratings thing which is as weak as it
gets because Tim Tebow. I could give you ratings in
twenty twelve when Tim Tebow was a quarterback, and guess what,
they couldn't wait he won a playoff game for the Broncos,
and you know what, they couldn't wait to get rid
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of him because they knew that he wasn't a good quarterback.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
No, but that's my poet. Who want more in college?
Who want more in college? Tim Tebow? Or see or Sandy? No,
let me, I'm asking you a question. More Oka, who
was a first round pick? Who was a first round
pick Tim Tebow? Okay, who got their coach fired for
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moving up to go pick Tim Tebow?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
That ultimately it cost him his job in Denver?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Right?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
And my point to you, yes, my point to you is,
I'm giving you exhibit A with this. The fans love him,
and the TV ratings and the selling of the jerseys.
He sold a more Mets jerseys than anybody. And guess
what didn't make it to the major leagues selling jerseys.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And all that.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
That's that's window.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
That has nothing to do.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
With we thought was a tailback. Nobody thought Tim Tebow
was a quarterback. We all knew he was a half back, tailback,
tight end Deshaw you're looking at your door is an
actual quarterback.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
And here's the part I'm saying. Let's say he sucks.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Let's find out why am I rolling out old Joe Fleco?
That hasn't How do you get your job in the NFL?
How do you get your job in the NFL? It's
the only sport where you practice more than you play,
and you earn your key, you earn your spot. They
watch you more than you play. You practice ten times
more than you play in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
So that's that's what they go off of.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
That's why people are watching great things.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
No, no, no, no, that no, you have heard.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And only see Did Patrick Mahons play in game one?
Did Patrick Mahons playing game one of the preseason?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I could go on. You gave this same argument for
justin fields, try jumping different if you're the Steelers.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Put the field.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Oh yeah, and he would not write you would not
right because he's not with the team. And here's your
point year old quarterback. And now the first thing they
say the Jets, no, no, I'm not And the Jets
are like this dude can't even move the offense.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Did you read the stories about him?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Can't throw the ball consistently, and that's why this Dallas
moved off of him. What I'm saying is, go see,
maybe shoulder isn't great.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
You know what Joe Flacco is.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He's two years older from the same guy that won
you a playoff game that you got rid of. So
clearly you didn't want him. Man, Now he's two years older.
Didn't look great last year? No, no, no, your argument
was about selling jerseys and that's why that doesn't That
doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Guy is Joe.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
That's when year old Aaron Rodgers. None of nobody cares
about that.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
None of this makes sense. Joe Jesco Fields is on his.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Third team in three years. That's so good, guy, that's
the guy.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
You hit the wagon too. We're good in twenty twenty.
Why is that coaching general manager? We have Joe Flaco.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Man, you better start developing and building something and moving towards.
Nobody builds anything. That's not what they do because when
they were building.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
No, no, they don't.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
They don't do that anymore.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You let me let me tell you ja Aeron Rodgers,
Aaron Rodgers didn't play for three and a half years.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
They don't build anymore. They put the quarterback in day one.
They don't build anything. And if you're not ready, they
don't put you in. That's the point. If you're ready,
anybody else.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
All those quarterbacks you mentioned got thrown in because they
think that their franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
They don't believe your door.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
In door won't get thrown in. He's still may because
they're sitting there saying Kenny Pikett ain't nothing, and Dylan
Gabriel can be in this coming.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Maybe it's him. I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
My point is it can't be that you're selling me.
Joe Flacco is the guy. Yes, he's a proven veteran
in the Super Bowl chat respectfully, but that can't be
you moving forward. Joe Flaco won with an amazing defense.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Man, Peyton Manning, win a Super Bowl and late in
his career, yes, with it the world were now okay, okay,
I'm asking you. Did they didn't put brock Brockwaller in there, right?
They put they won the Super Bowl with an old quarterback,
did they not?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
That's my point.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
They did.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Joe Flacco won a Super They didn't say no, let's
play brocks Waller because he's younger and he and he
represents the future.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
No, they did not. They put the veteran in. They
did not put him in.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Ever. Compared Peyton Manning to Joe Flacco, Peyton Manning is
Peyton Manning arguably the top five quarterback all time.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Both they both won Super Bowl that both respect.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Joe was a solid quarterback who had an amazing defense
al Brad Johnson at Trent Dilford.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
He had one of the greatest Super Bowl runs. Go
look at the stats.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Nobody he had one of the greatest runs to a
Super Bowl any quarterback has ever.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
That's why Joe.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Still Manning in the same name.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And my point is an old quarter played and it
ain't that Joe flat you're talking about. I want TV
ratings argument.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Since I'll give you that. Okay, least he's Aaron Rodgers. Okay,
I get it.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
That's Flaco. That's what the Browns just say.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
No, we're gonna be stubborn and close our eyes because
we got Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
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Speaker 5 (23:34):
What's crazy about this story? There's not even really a story.
This is just a matter of fact. So you guys know,
you know, the Associated Press does the All American Team
right for college sports, and that's been going on since,
as Rob says, since Moby Dick was a guppy. Like
forever and ever and ever. The AP decides who the
best players are in goldge football, and as part of
their one hundredth anniversary, they announced what they believe to
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be the all time all a Mayor list of players.
So there's a who's who. You know, you got legends
like Deon Sanders, not surprising, you know. More recently, guys
like Brock Powers. They had met the all time tight
end because he was just a monster in Georgia for
a couple of seasons. When it came time to quarterback though,
that's the one that everybody could kind of focused on,
because there is a list depending on your age group
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that everybody thinks, Oh, it's definitely Cam Newton, It's definitely
Tommy Fraser, it's definitely you know, Joe Monte. Whoever, whatever
your age and your region of the country, you have
a guy who you believe is the greatest college quarterback
either ever or the one that you've seen. Well, they've
decided the debate is over. Well, we're gonna tell you
right now who the greatest college quarterback was in NC
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DOUABA history. And it's none other than a man that
you actually talked about last hour, Tim Tebow. Acquording to
these voters, all twelve of them with ap, Tim Tebow
has been crowned as the starting quarterback, the first team
back for their all time one hundred anniversary of all
American quarterbacks, edging out a close second. One was how
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close it was Texas quarterback Vincian.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I wish that I could get on these Fox Sports
radio they couple airwaves and tell you that they got
it wrong and make a ball humbug, big fuss. But Daggittt,
you ain't wrong when you're right, and they're absolutely right.
You can make an argument. He's one of the top
ten college football players of all time any position, and Daggett, you,
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dag near might even go top five.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
And I'm not mad at you. I mean, what he did.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Is spectacular, especially considering he was a quarterback. Now, granted,
he looked like a running back, tailback, fullback playing in
a quarterback position. Let me throw some numbers at you,
my guy, Rob g He completed sixty seven percent of
his passes for ninety three hundred yards, when we don't
even think about him as a high percentage completion passing quarterback,
eighty eight touchdowns and only sixteen interceptions. Look at that
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touchdown inn exception ratio for again, for a guy that
we don't think of.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
As carving defenses up.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Meanwhile, he added almost three thousand rushing yards and fifty
seven rushing touchdown. He has a Heisman Trophy winner. He
helped his team win back to back national titles. He
kind of came on the second end of that as
a starter. And again he is sixth in Florida, Florida
in rushing yards total. Sixth at Florida, the same place
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where Emmett Smith comes from, and so many other backs,
Fred Taylor and so on and so forth. Six in
rushing That is absolutely crazy. Fourth in all time in
passing yards at Florida. This is absolutely astonishing what he's
evil doing. You also add in the pop culture flair.
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You are in one of the greatest, most iconic speeches
to his team getting fired up.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
You know he's got blood on his forehead.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I mean like he to me is that guy when
I think of a college football quarterback.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Again, not traditional.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
He wasn't a guy like a Peyton Manny who was
throwing the ball off pristine and beautiful. He wasn't Andrew
luck where it just looked like a prototypical quarterback. He
wasn't John Elway in the sense of Matthew Stafford, where
we kind of went, well, that's a quarterback. You kind
of knew it off the bat. But he just epitomized
college football. Win it all costs, whatever it takes. Leader
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of this team, get on my shoulders, will get it
done by any means necessary. So I don't have it. No,
I don't have a problem with it. To me, I
it was. It was a no brainer for me. He
embodied what a quarterback, a winning quarterback in college Now
pros you start to think more Tom Brady, the Joe
Montana guys who throw the ball who fit the mold
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a little bit, and you know who are more of
a prototypical if you will. But for what he did
at Florida, what he meant pop culture wise, winning national
Championship as well.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
I only got two words for you, Doug.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Stop it.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
What what are you saying right now?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Now?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
I'm gonna try to be as as nice and as
respectful as possible because Tim Tebow is straight with the
Lord in ways that I'll never be. And I want
to make sure I get into the Pearly Glate gates.
And I feel like Tebow could put in a good
word for me if I really needed it.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
So you need to get to the Pearly gates. I
could throw a word. T Bow can as well.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
I mean, Whileo's I don't want no disrespect to you,
but Tebow's were probably counted like fifteen times more than
the Dovie.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
Can't believe then, you don't know the Lord.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Tim Tebow in parts of Florida is the Lord. And
you know that basically what I just said, what you
just said, right, No, but look, Tim Tebow was great.
Tim Tebow, you know, for my generation, is easily the
best you know, college quarterback. I think.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Ever, now you better say somebody great, Robie.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I'm gonna tell you why. The guy who should have
been at the top of this list is Tommy Fraser
from Nebraska. Tommy Fraser, unlike Tim Tim Tebow, gets credit
for being a two time national champion. Tommy Fraser is
a legitimate two time now because he was starting both
of those seasons ninety five back to back. Tim Tebow
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was a gadget guy. The first time, I believe in
it was Chris Leak at quarterback in Florida the first nine.
Here's another fun fact about Tommy Fraser and Nebraska. He
is the only player in college football history to earn
MVP honors in three consecutive national championship games. Now, if
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that's not impressive enough as it is, I mentioned they
went back to back ninety four ninety five. That means
he was named MVP in ninety three in a game
that they lost. That is icon legendary. Jerry West the
logo type stuff. You can't do that anymore. That doesn't
exist in sports nowadays. Tommy Fraser was that incredible as
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a college quarterback. And the last reason, and this is
the reason why I'm gonna give him the nod over
t but what gets close, But this is whath I'm
gonna give him the nod. Okay, the nineteen ninety five
Nebraska Cornhuskers are widely regarded as one of, if not
the best team in college football history, as great as
Tim Tebow was and as talented as those Gators teams were.
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Matter of fact, you could do a thirty for thirty
on one of those teams when it was you know,
Tebo cam Newton's on the team, Percy Harvin's on the team,
Riley Cooper's on the team, or nan is on the team,
the pouncies on the team, like the cast of characters
alone on that team with Urban Meyer as the coach
would make for an incredible FX like mini series. But
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nobody viewsed any of those Gator teams as one of
the greatest teams in college football history. And that nineteen
ninety five Nebraska team is like one that is almost
a mythical team because it wasn't just that they won
and that they were the champions. It's that they bludgeoned
every single team that they played, and they did it
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in a way that was not as flashy as like
the you guys of the eighties. It wasn't as exciting
as what you might see with Burrow and the twenty
nineteen LSU team. But they just grinded you over and
over and over. Power to the left, power to the right,
option up the middle, and look for all those reasons.
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Tommy Fraser is the greatest college quarterback ever.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Man. If you don't cut that out, Tommy Frazer gonna
send you a thank you card. He was absolutely spectacular,
and it was a more amazing football players to watch.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
He was in that era of me, you know when
you really start watching sports. You know, I'm ten, eleven,
twelve whatever. It was like that run. Maybe a little
bit older, but that was like I remember that. He
was incredible. But since you want to go there, let
me spit some facts to you. What a cover sheet
the man? The man completed.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Forty nine percent of his passes is a different era. Oh,
you want to give me some numbers?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
No, let me cook, dangan, let me put this apron
on a cook forty nine percent of his passes for
you can't even give me fifty Tommy, I continue the
same year you talking about, nineteen ninety five, demand.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Threw for thirteen hundred yards. Thirteen hundred yards.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Matter of fact, I'll spot you his entire career, he
only threw for thirty five hundred yards his whole career.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
He only threw for seventeen passing yards.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Let me get back to my guy, Jesus's favorite, Tim Tebow.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I'm glad you're a Mintigan now before you were on the.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Yeah, I got admitted. I listen, I'm gonna get in.
But you know, I might get it.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
He might have it's a line. If it's in a line,
I might be that last third. He might get in
a little bit.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
You know. He held on the things longer than I did.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Look at it, sixty seven percent of his passes for
ninety three hundred yards, eighty eight touchdowns. And I just
told you Tommy only threw for thirty two in his career.
So when they're looking at a quarterback, they ain't saying
you gotta be a getting Payton Manning, but you got
to be better than fifty percent complete career completion percentage.
That's atrocious. So that is the difference. Tommy was spectacular.
(33:02):
Tommy is what they were concerned with when they started
to do that with brother quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Well, he ain't gonna be a quarterback. He's just an athlete.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
They were thinking of Tommy, not Lamar, not Cam not
Deshaun Watson, some of these other guys that could do it,
you know, and run and pass.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
He's what they were worried about.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Just a running back who, by the way, can throw
a pass every now and again. That was Tommy Fraser,
which is why they ran. They ran the ball with him.
They ran the ball runningacks. Nebraska's running over everybody. Tim
t By at the time was a very much still
a passing quarterback while also running till we got to pros.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
But stay focused on college. We ain't gonna talk about
the pros.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Right then, let me just say one thing for a
guy who couldn't throw, the fact that Tommy Frasier was
named the Johnny Uniteds Golden Arm Award recipient and ain't
Toenny five kind of you know, your argument collapsed on itself,
But just quickly, can we get to the calls here
we're talking Obviously there's guys who were great for one season,
two seasons. But because of the way college full paul
(34:00):
as you're talking about the greatest of all time, it
naturally eliminates the one hit wonders. So that's why a
guy like Joe Burrow.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Joe Burrow could have had that right so that's that's
my question is if you were to say, because I
think it's really two guys, it's Camon and Burrow, which
one of those guys if they had played another year
or two at that.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Level, would we do you think either one of them
would would have overtaken t Bow or Tommy Frasier.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
I think they both had a chance.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Cam because the way he was kind of dragging the team.
He had a he had some he had a really
good defense with that Auburn team. His offense wasn't the greatest.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Any fun fact about Cam Newton's championship team. Nobody else
on that offense played in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Nick case in point right and then and the Lions
drafted a Nick Fair tackle. Yeah, so he you know
he would He had a couple of coffee in the
late for a little bit, but that the team offensively
was just Cam and he was that spectacular.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Joe Burrow was throwing to some guys.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
As we know because they're all in the pros, and
but I was telling you earlier some of the throws
he was making. Man, I mean I was blown away
at Joe Burrow. I'm like, this is he the best
quarterback i've ever seen. It was insane what he was doing.
Those two guys put on a show for one singular year,
so how they had to double that up another year
(35:24):
or two or three. I don't think we'd be having
these conversations at all. But also at last point you
can disagree. I do think there's something to the extra
and I think Tim Tebow with just the drama and
even in his faith, because it was polarizing whether you
loved it or hated.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Maybe you loved Jess, maybe hey Jesus, whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
And remember he had the blood coming down his face
one time because he was running with no helmet, Like
there has to always be something that makes you extra,
Like Muhammad Ali was the greatest boxer. Yeah yeah, yeah,
but there are other people who might've been technically better. Right,
A lot of people say Ray Robinson, Naza, Ray Leonard Sugar,
Ray Robinson, A lot of people may say Floyd. But
it was the talking, it was the dancing, it was
(36:07):
his stance on political things like sometimes to be the greatest,
it isn't just the play. And I think Tim always
had that in his favor, Like the speech I mentioned,
just just you gotta have something if you're just the
guy that just was really good. Sometimes that's not good enough.
It was Tiger because he was different. He was black,
he was Asian, he was pimping his fist, he wore
(36:29):
red on Sundays. He was more emphatic than any other
You ge what I mean? You gotta give me something else? Yeah,
because there's always somebody that's good or great. What separates you.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
And shout out to Kaplin asent. Tiger Wood was by
the way, first one in history. That's why and only
and only No. So, yeah, I agree with you, and
I think I think that's why Tim Tebow probably did
get this nod. But in that same line of thinking,
and this is why I actually, you know, if I'm
disregarding Tommy Frazi's for the purpose of this conversation, Yeah,
but this is why I'm I wouldn't even have Vince
(37:00):
Young number two. I would put Matt Liner number two
because Matt Lioner won at a high er time that
Vince Young, and similar to Tim Tebow, there was a
moment in time, especially because there was no NFL in
Los Angeles where they were the biggest show in town.
Doubt like that they were an NFL team with Snoop
Dogg at every game, celebrities on the sideline like they
(37:21):
were a Hollywood script, you know, legends him and Reggie Bush,
you know, Big Mike William, Dwayne Jerrard, like all these guys.
They were celebrities in college before the NIL. Like if
the NL exists back then, you know what what fifteen
million dollars a year for these guys.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
We're talking about his mama getting the house. His mam
would have had a Beverly Hills mansion exactly.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
And that liner was like the you know, the the
George Clooney of that team where it's like, oh, look
at this handsome, tall quarterback and all he does is
win games.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
No he d That team was By the way, though,
Vince Young and that that National Championship game any sports,
not just football college football, NFL, and that is one
of my top two three favorite games of any sport
in any time.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
I mean, that was amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
All the celebrities and stars, specifically the stars I mean
on the field, they lived up to the hype, you
know what I mean, Like you, Matt played great, Reggie
was great, Lindell White was great, Vince Young was great.
On the defensive end huff for the Texans was great.
Like the what was the running back he ended up
going to the league? Cedric was Cedri Benson?
Speaker 5 (38:28):
No, Cedric Benson was before? That wasn't Jamal Charles, Was.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
It Jamal char I think it was like everybody was great,
all the stars played.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
That was just an amazing game.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
Well you know, you know how big of a game
that was. It is because I think we can all
agree that Reggie Bush is on the short list of
greatest players ever. Like you mentioned crazy, Reggie Bush was
so hyped for that game. He tried to do a
lateral in the first quarter on like a forty yard
run and it led to a fumble. But he was
so pumped and it's like, Yo, this is the biggest
stage of probably ever gonna play on. I'm about to
(39:00):
make something happen. And then it backfired wildly.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
They did backfire. But what a game, What a game
that was, Man, that was a great time.
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