August 18, 2025 • 45 mins
Kelvin Washington and Kerry Rhodes, in for Rob Parker, react to Caleb Williams' impressive preseason debut and explain why people have been too quick to criticize the former first overall pick. The guys give their thoughts on Browns QB Dillon Gabriel having to cover his tracks after seemingly throwing shade at Shedeur Sanders. Plus, Kelvin and Kerry trash the idea of expanding the College Football Playoff to 28 teams.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
That's right, it is the Odd Couple. Kelvin Washington, carry
Rhodes in for Rob for a man who says, I
never take days on Alex. He's taking seven months off.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Not two. Four minutes. I thought it was pregnant, not
full man, not five.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I don't realize it was just all that turkey is
belly and bait, chicken a rounds. That's why we got
a lot going on on this Magic City Monday. We're
gonna have a great show lined up for you. We got,
of course, a bunch of football talk to get to.
We got Timothy Parker coming up in the next hour.
He is a reporter of a Spectrum Networks was covering
the Rams training. He was at the Dodgers padre one
(01:02):
of the games in this series. So we'll talk to
Timothy Parker about what's happening in the LA Sports area.
Looking forward to that Tyler Dragon the following hour. It
would be of course enter for a reporter for USA Today,
bunch of NFL topics to get with him, but also
for you and I to discuss throughout the day. Let
me welcome in my partner for the day or next
(01:23):
couple of days. That is Carrie Rose, what sub brother
I was the weekend man? The weekend is good man.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Right now I'm in film mode, so filming a movie
right now, but like long hours, yeah, obviously, but good
times on set, good vibes, and I'm happy to be
with you.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
You know how that goes. You know, when we get
in the building, it's all First of all, we got
to settle down.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Coming in here in the same type of eye we
walked in all black, all black on black with our shades.
We look like the Blues brothers. I don't know, the
Black brother something. It's got to be another version. Yeah,
Ryan wanted to be down. I told him you could.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
There's like one level of black that I was like, Ryan,
the you can get us with the clothes, but there's
one more level. Yeah, he's miss missing a shad. We
could be creole. He could be creole, a little creole.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
In this family.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, let's welcome in the eye couple crew. We couldn't
do this amazing show without them.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
We got Ryan and for Rob d Now wait wait
wait wait stop the music, Alex, I know, wasn't even
no music going.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
What happened? Is Rob g solely out because it's his birthday?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I believe so?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
No, you got to be more. Steve Seger is on
the job. Find me something to updated some trending. This
better not be It is Rob G out strictly because
his birthday?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Are you a team?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
It is my birthday? I'm taking off workday. No, I
was here on my birthday. So no, so I'm not
on board with robb G just because my tripping.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Because number one, we're not a woman. Number two, we're
not in high school. Yeah we don't. We don't even
need number two. Let's just start with number one. What
the heck? Well?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Is it only a day or is it like a
birthday month type week type thing?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Like we did a whole segment on that. Okay, we
did do it things men shouldn't be doing. One of them.
This is it this is it. You got to show up.
But you know you can listen.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You can take a weekend like we're gonna go down
to blah blah blah for my birthday. Okay, cool, I'm
with that. But the idea I'm not coming into work.
Maybe it's an extension. Maybe he was off on the weekend.
I'm gonna find this out. Steve Sager's gonna get on
top of that.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
He just looked at me like, that's not what I'm
doing today. He's like, he's like, we're gonna get to
the bottom of this. Speaking of Steve, of course, Steve
the Sager is here as well. He's gonna get you
updated on what's training. And Alex on the boards on
the ones and two. All right, color, you would you say,
sons out, buns out. One of us has to bring
the color to the show. Yeah, well, I can't say
the stand up.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Let me see. Okay, it's a red shirt from the
New York City Marathon. Look at that. I thought you
were talking about the runners on the shirt.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I'm gonna look mellenated the Brown Brothers for they're melandated
for sure. Was this but a matter of fact, you're
here usually your son's out, buns out s four days
and I'm gone, Okay, figured two week's gone.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
One day.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
We're gonna have the entire crew at the same time,
maybe like the literal start of the football week. We'll
all be here at the same time. All right, We
got some again, some football to get to him. Excited
to do that. Ryan is gonna get a set on
what has been happening with young Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Caleb Williams had a very strong performance in his preseason
debut on Sunday, went six of ten passing for one
hundred and seven yards in a touchdown. PFF had his
great at eighty eight point nine. Ben Johnson had a
couple of really nice things to say for him after
the game. This is what Ben Johnson had to say.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Caleb made a couple big time throws in my opinion,
to keep that drive going, and some explosive plays there,
and so it was good.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It was good to see. I thought, really the.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Three days of practice we had this week and this
game were the most he stacked up good days in
a row right now, and so the challenges can be
to keep pushing in that direction, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
So here's my thing. We talked about this, Carrie. I
feel like I've even had some Caleb conversations with you
over the last couple of weeks. Sure, yeah, yeah, So
here's my thing. When you go to a really really
good school, right, and let's say at high school, really
top notch high school. I went to a top five
public school when I was back in my day, and
it was with all I knew, right, It's all I
(05:02):
knew is all. That's where I'm from from ann Arbor.
It just grew up. Okay, what's the big deal? Was
not a great student? Shut up? Was an average student
there as far as the work side of it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
But the actual brightness, the intelligence you have it.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I say this to say, while I was there and
you know, having fun, hanging out, prolready doing all that
and just you know, burd you know, making it by
what I learned as I started to move to other cities,
was that time five education that I was receiving and
just me being you know, average whatever put me well
above so many other people. Once I started being around
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kids who went to some of the you know, rougher
schools and other areas outside of Flynn, outside of Detroit,
and it was like, Oh wow, me just being around
that type of education rubbed off. I say that to
say Caleb Williams is benefiting from being around Ben Johnson.
Being around Ben Johnson, who is going to expose the
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things that we knew his weaknesses were, but challenge him
to get better. Has an offense that is the reliance
upon him being better in order for this thing to work.
And you have a guy for his entire tenure with
the Detroit Lions was a top five offense, number one
last year, so he knows what he's doing. And so
I think we're gonna get the best version of Caleb Williams.
(06:21):
It's going to take time, because again, Caleb has been
able to benefit from being just gifted, being better, being faster,
more athletic, and all of that throughout middle school, high school,
into college where he was running around You're getting it
done and winning Heisman's and you know, having success in
that regard individually, not necessarily team. And I think all
(06:42):
of this is him benefiting from the curriculum of Ben Johnson,
from the curriculum of holding you to a standard, to
a curriculum of get off the team, first teamers, get
off the field. We this won't be acceptable. I'm burning timeouts.
You guys are taking for ever to get out the huddle, right,
And I think the expectations are going to be high
(07:03):
for him with specifically Ben Johnson, but he's going to
be able to extract the best of him and like
I said, he's going to learn so much from that
university of Ben Johnson that he'll go to another school,
you know, and realize like wow, me being here has
benefited and elevated my game so much. But I still
think it's gonna take time. I still have still my concerns.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, I mean the first thing you said is the
most I guess positive thing for Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson
is an a type like a type, a type of person, right,
so the attention to details matter.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
You talked about it. Caleb has been gifted.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
He's been one of the best players, I'm sure since
since he started playing right and so it's come easy
to him.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
When you get to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
It may seem easy in preseason, it may seem easy
in practice sometimes because you know it just happens that
way sometimes. But when those live bullets started flying and
you see other people out there, trying to eat and
make money for their families. It's a different game, and
so or Caleb Williams. And I think for all the
detractors or even people on his side, calm down. This
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is year two for this quarterback. And even with the
supposedly down year that he had last year, if you
look at his numbers for a rookie, you'll think it's
pretty impressive. And so obviously when you come with the
generational talent titles and you know, people saying that you're
the best prospect since whatever, like those expectations is going
to be high and unrealistic anyway. I mean, you look
(08:29):
at Peyton Manning when he came in, right, he had
all the tuols, he had the pedigree. Year one he
was trash. Cayleb Williams year one was better than Peyton Manning.
So calm down. What you're saying, He's gonna have a
better career than Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I know, yes.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Parker did not say that, Rob, But what I'm saying
is the fact that people want to the Other thing
about all of this which really makes me upset, to
be honest, is the coverage.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think we have too much coverage.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I know, we're in the business of coverage, but I
think there are some people, there are some people that
should not be covering, Like we don't need to know
that his teammates didn't step up for him when he
got bumped, and like some of that information needs to
be handled within. And so the fact that we're getting
so much information and we're you know, we're really like
lining this thing up day by day. You had a
(09:19):
good day day one, day two, he's in training camp.
You're supposed to struggle. The coach is gonna put you
in situations where you have to figure it out. And
if he hasn't figured it out yet, it's gonna be
a problem.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
First of all, let me let me tell you what's
driving me crazy right now. You just brought that up
social media.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Let me let me just I want to slap everybody
here's but specifically, why remember the good old days when
Sports Center would post something on a on a page
or put something out there. It would actually be something
about basketball, football, baseball, a sport we all enjoy. Yes,
remember it be an incredible highlight. Now they'll just posts
(09:56):
a random kid shooting his uh, his boxes cereal and
a cart in a Walmart Top ten.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
What what is going on? That's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
The standards, Yo, Yo, the standards. We gotta relax.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I understand the need to push content, especially if you're
a content creator like a regular person, but the standard
bear has got to come on. Now, let's get back
to bearing them standards. Because I go on my social
media and I see the most random. It'll be a
five year old in the backyard who put a spin
move on his friend, you know, and playing backyard sandline football,
and that'll make all that. I'm like, all right, why
(10:32):
are we showing that exactly? I say that to say
to your point, we do cover everything. We'll cover every throw.
You used to just know only in the preseason game.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
That's it. Maybe if something huge or bad happened came out.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Now we know every throw, every nick, every I got
a scratch, I got a boo boo. Man, what teammate
yelled at them? And the things that are becoming. Things
were so regular. You played in the league and not
too far removed us bumping chest and us with that
was stand over. Not we all been seeing hard knocks
for twenty some years. That's so regular.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
But now it's like, oh my gosh, yo, this is
happening in training cap he grabs some water and sprayed
it and they got okay.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
But this has been happening guys.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Kelvin, he struggled in team blitz pick up against the
entral squad that they was going agat. I don't remember
who it was, but somebody reported that. I'm like, you
saw him in one period and said, this guy isn't
going to have a good year this year. Relax now,
he did look bad in basketball shorts and T shirts.
I did need more out of him. I did need
more out of him than five out seventeen. Carrie, Carrie
(11:33):
carry you see what happened in game one, well, the
game two of preseason when he got his snaps what
he did?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
He looked good, right, he looked good.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Listen, I hope he looks to an extent as a
Detroit hold On, you can look good, but don't look good.
I need him to be like you know, I needed
to be somebody else. He can't be halle Berry looking
good like that. Held On, don't look like that. Okay,
you can be cool, don't look that good. My point is,
as you know, the preseason is gonna be too much
(12:02):
to try to go back and forth with right, like
we're gonna because now he looks mid the next game
ile you and I got to come on here and
do that. That's why I, for me, was the larger
point of Ben Johnson is going to whatever's in there,
I'm gonna be able to extract it the best out
of you. And you know this from a business or
entrepreneurial standpoint, one of the things you're supposed to do
(12:22):
is hire to your weaknesses. You want somebody that, hey,
I'm not good at organization, will find someone who's organization
league spectacular. Hey I'm not good at math, or I'm
not good at my finances, go get a financial advisor,
somebody who can do all of that. I say that
to say this is why if you're a Bears fan,
you'd be hopeful that Ben Johnson, that's what he does.
(12:44):
If you looked at Jared Goff and the offense, it
was very precision oriented, right, because you know, Jared Golf
ain't rolling around and running every although every now and
again he did catch a pass, how he caught a
touchdown pass.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
But they were so unexpected.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
That's why he was open Thatath falls in the same
category as that little kid shooting the ball the siria
and the butt.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Okay, yeah that does. He was wide open.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
It was like when Peyton Manning used to play fake,
fake the handoff and keep running.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Everybody like what, man, he is not running?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
He actually run. Yeah, I know that's a touchdown. We're
gonna have to just give up because we did not
see that coming. But I said that to say I
just think Ben Johnson's gonna be if it's there, if
he can be good with timing, if he can be
on point on time, if he can be his processing
can be sped up. This is the guy that will
help him do it, and that their marriage needs to
be one that can go stand the test of time
(13:35):
because they can get the best out of each other. Hey,
these are the things you're great at, Ben Johnson. By
the way, you might be getting a guy who can
do the other things too, Meaning I can actually run
out of the pipe when when the play we have
design doesn't work. I can scramble that pass was supposed
to I know, but I got the armstrengts and talent
to get it to the other guy the second or
third look.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
If it need be.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So if they can marriage and make that happen, and
I'm expect it to be fireworks necessarily year two right
off the bat. Yeah, but if they can get that
thing Roland, that will be scary for that division for
sure and in the league as they continue to move forward.
But again, I think there's gonna be He's gonna it's
gonna take time because again, for his whole life, I've
just simply been better than you. I've just simply made
(14:16):
a way when there's been no way, and you subconsciously
become relying on that. And that is the difficulty with
people who are extremely talented. It's to rely right you
get to the NBA. I've always been faster, jump, higher, stronger,
And then, like you said, yeah do so have all
of us, and some of us are working alive. Kobe
Bryant every year, I'm I'm in my lab Lebron every year.
(14:37):
I'm Michael Jordan, I'm coming back. I'm getting better, I'm better.
I'm Steph Curry. I'm working on my left hand even more.
I'm working on this shot. And dudes, just or I
can hoop, No, we all can hoop.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
We all can do it. Kelvin the thing for Caleb,
and I'm gonna make it simple. If he's coachable this year,
he's gonna do his job and he's gonna do it
well because the tools are there. You him all the
things you said he's elusive. If he can make plays
happen off of off of the first read, right, if
he's accurate and no time with the first read, and
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he's and he's coachable this year, this team's gonna be.
This team's gonna be right in the thick of that division.
And I'm sorry. I'm sorry for you Lions. If we
already got deal with the Packers and everybody, oh, I know.
But if he's coachable and he really takes in what
Ben Johnson's selling, they're gonna be they're gonna be dangerous.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
No, you just made me not even I hope he's not.
I hope, I hope.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I hope Ben Johnson turns into Ben Johnson the track star.
There you be out here cheating, Steve. I wanted to
smile out of you on that one, Steve. No, Steve
ain't paying attention. He went right now, all right, eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox. Uh, let's let's get We'll
take a couple of calls on that.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
If you are.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Like carrying on and still saying, pump the breaks a
little bit on just a preseason few drives. Yes, pump
the brakes. But where are you with Kayla Williams? Do
you believe this will be a breakout year? Do you
believe he is maybe had some of his issues will
never change. Maybe you're not, Maybe you feel he was
over hyped all these three years or so.
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(17:17):
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talk some more NFL and some more younger quarterbacks were
talking about Kayle Williams last hour. Let's talk about Dylan
Gabriel and how he is. He had we got to
see him finally. You know, I've been dealing with that
hamstring injury for a little bit there, so we got
(18:18):
to see him perform in his preseason debut, and a
lot of folks kind of me he kind of I've
been saying that he had kind of been under the
radar because all of the conversations was about Shadure.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, but he had one hundred and forty three yards.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
He fumbled through an interception that kind of wasn't in
his interception, but you know, obviously he's gonna go in
his stats. But and by the way, I got to
give him some credit through some lasers, dough some darts.
He looked good throwing some of those passes in the
tight coverage and a lot of his I think you
you've been high on you do like that? Yeah, a
lot of folks who said, man, that's what he can do.
(18:54):
So he did the best that he could there. But
of course it wouldn't be sports in twenty twenty five
if it wasn't for the other stuff. You thought we
was gonna talk about him. Man, it's a great players
performing at a good job. Yeah, he did a job here.
You look at him.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
He was he was one hundred and forty three yards.
He was thirteen for eighteen seventy two percent.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Nah, na dah. It was what happened off the field
that everybody talking. Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
You know, there's there's entertainers and there's competitors, and I
totally understand that. And My job is to compete, and
that's what I'm focused on doing.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Of course, we're.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
Doing this big game, but you know it's something that
I'll get used to and just want to be the
best team that I can and create an environment where
we can all go do our best work. That's all
we want to do.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And social media lit your boy dealing Gabriel up. They
had a bunch to say about that. What you taking
shots at? Who should do? What we doing here? And
hold on dealing. Gabriel had to say, hold hold on,
this is what I meant by this.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Is what I meant all about thirteen. You know what
I mean in each other.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I would never make that and I've said it before.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
It TWI. It's interesting, But for me, it's I've explained
that the entertainers are you all competitor, That's what.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I am and all my teammates and we both have
jobs to do.
Speaker 9 (20:07):
So that's it.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And then social media debates have becut, Oh my god.
People wanted to know was he taking shots at your door?
Who he is competing with to be the number two?
If your name was Kevin Washington and you were the coach,
you'd be competing for maybe being the starter. That's just me.
We'll get to that in a minute. Because they also
named Joe Flacco as quarterback one. We'll talk about that
in a little bit. No surprise there. But I do
(20:31):
have my points. I love to get your thoughts on
that as well. But this is my thing with the
Dylan Gabriel. Look, I do not believe that he was
talking about your door. I wish she was talking about
your door because I could light into him.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I could have a big old thing.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Oh, when the competition's on, you already throw your man
under the bus when the competition the lights are on.
This is how you handled I would have loved to
go on that route. But the more I have reason
to take a break and don't have to just go
by with social media you're telling me I gotta say.
And the more you dissect and god forbid, do a
little research, you realize Dylan Gabriel has said this before.
You know how folks have their mantras. This is my
(21:10):
thing I stand on, This is the thing I believe him.
Being a quarterback, you can tell he takes the position seriously.
You can tell he wants to be good at the podium,
and this is one of those things he's mentioned before.
And he was talking about entertainers. He was talking about
people like me and you. Yeah, because you on this
side now on the field, no more care. You ain't
if I did both, stay focused.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
You ever hear it now?
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Nobody want to hear about that. I'll bring it up
later when you played, But right now you ain't us.
And so this is him, say what you know? That's
that coach speak that QB once speak. Right well, locked in,
this is what we do. It's all about us.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
We're only worried about our locker room and we can
only control the controllables and all those mantras and sayings
and cliches you say.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
And so that's what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
But it was another lesson learned of you being podium
ready in high school. You being podium ready in college
is different than the pros. You being podium ready is
different than the pros. You being the guy you know
historically in college is a lot. At Oregon and at
(22:09):
organ has been a very successful program in the last
twenty thirty years, but it's hit different than being in
Cleveland and in the NFL, where there's already controversy. They've
been successful, but we don't know any of their players exactly.
And now you're in a position where we are waiting,
we are watching what Joe Flacco gonna say? Is he
(22:29):
gonna say, I don't care about these youngins. I'm trying
to do me what's Kenny Pick? No, actually nobody cares
about Kenny Pick? What is Dylan Gaber't gonna do?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Or say? What is Sho do?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Or Deon Sanders Gon say we're all watching this soap opera.
And he threw out a little fuel to add to
the fire. And there is a lesson to be learned
with that. And I think again, while he was well groomed,
and you know, and and was ready to be again
that podium ready guy at at Oregon, welcome to the pros.
And just like the pro game is different, and the
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speed is different, and the pace in which they play
is different. And that that linebacker I used to escape
for is running a four to three. Now it hit different.
So does all the drama and everything that comes with it.
So he was trying to avoid entertainers, and by the
little Freudian slip there, he threw some fuel to the entertainers.
And now we're having these conversations and instead of what's
on the field, And we're gonna get back to that
(23:20):
what's on the field, because I do want to talk
about Joe fla o QB one.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
But what's your thoughts on Dylian?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, No, you said you said a lot there about
the vacuum that's the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And the vacuum that's Cleveland right now. It's insane.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
So anything that happens or anything that's said, obviously it's
going to be amplified, right, And so I don't think
you have to watch what you say. I think I
think there's like a misconception with that for athletes, right,
as long as you're yourself, I think people are gonna
love you or hate you regardless. Take for example, Marson
Lynch his interviews and stuff he did when he was
(23:59):
talking to the media, he was solely himself. Either you
liked it or you hated it, right, But being in
between and doing the politically correct thing, when especially nowadays
with the coverage that they have in the NFL, you're
not gonna win anyway. So for me, I would tell
any player that's going through training if I was giving
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them training, obviously there are things in their team principles
that your team stands by. So there are things you
have to operate when it comes to that. But when
it comes to you and you trying to get yourself
or get your point across to whoever it is outside
of your team, just be you because everything you say
is going to be picked apart anyway. So if as
(24:39):
long as you're being yourself and you can live with
what you're saying and what's going on, do that you
don't have to worry about having the Freudian slip at
that point, right, Like, no, I meant what I said,
and I don't have to go back on and you
know I've said that this is who I am. So
I think that's the part about media and kids and
these guys, this new age NFL with so much coverage
around it.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Well, I think that what happens though, I think that
comes with getting burned a couple of times like this,
where you start to say, screw it. Yeah, I say
I love Sy y'all can say no, you don't exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I say I hate Sha. You say, see he hate her.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
So I might as well stand on business and say
what I believe, and I believe and stand on that
and I think that comes from getting burned. So I
think he's gonna learn that I'm gonna say what I
mean and mean what I say regardless, and obviously he
did in his case, but I ain't gonna be doing
a lot of backtracking, right And honestly it took you
know me, you I may be different because like maybe
for you, it was being the player and they were
interviewed you you're a player now again you're a former player.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm a player now, okay.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
And maybe they were asking you questions and you were
trying to do the perfect little thing, or maybe it's
now you on this side of things or being interviewed
as an artist and whatnot, and I had to learn that,
you know we're doing this on a mic. Well, I
don't want to offend. And maybe it's like, man, this, hey,
this is how I feel, This is what I believe.
This is my opinion. And you have to be comfortable
because right now somebody's gonna say, man, you're crazy to
hate you. Somebody else is gonna say, man, you one
thousand zica rate. You want to be exactly saying what
(25:57):
you believe, standing on that and it be what it is,
say what you so nobody else can take it out
of context one hundred percent. So with that being said, though, Dylan,
Gabriel and now Shaud Dour as well both look solid.
Gabriel throwing an interception of pick six and also fumbling
which was absolutely his fault, but overall played pretty well,
as did Shaduur.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
He played really well.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So now you come out after that when both the
week prior Shadur, this week is Gabriel Dylan, and now
they say Joe Flacco's QB one, which was to be expected.
We all thought that. My thought intake has been this.
This is where Rob and I disagree, and you can
I want to get your thoughts on it. I'm straight
on the recyclables. I'm straight on going back to my
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old girl that on the left started again, left them
passed on, and now I'm going back to her again.
When I know what it's gonna be, We're gonna have
a good six weeks and then I'm gonna be pulling
my hair out again and wanting to get on and
move on. That's Joe Flacco. You're gonna have a good
six weeks. You're gonna be six and eleven with Joe Flacco.
(27:06):
And he'll have three weeks in a row where.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
You like see it.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So what I'm talking about baby playoffs And then you're
gonna go, why is this dude starting similar to Indianapolis?
And then you can to me, my whole point is,
i'd rather start if it's Dylan. Fine, let's get the
Dylan Gabriel train rolling.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
If it's your door, which i'd rather be because you
just from the fan.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I don't know why to not.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I'd be embracing the fan fare. Fans are all in. Well,
he's got the number two.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Jersey.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Ratings were up, more people to watch the preseason game
than ever for the Browns. I'm rolling into that. I'm
loving it. We got a guy and he's young, so
that there's potential as long as he's progressing Carrie throughout
the season, and even if we only go six and eleven,
but I see where we're going.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Allah.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
You mentioned Peyton Manning last hour, and say be Peyton.
But my point is to me, I'd rather that with
the young guy. And let's say Chador sucks and he
goes oh for six and just looking horrible. Yeah, yep, Dylan,
you out, buddy. I don't get to recycling Joe old Coole.
I already know what that is. Well, and he's two
years removed from taking y'all the postseason. He took you
(28:20):
to postseason. You let him go, y'all said, thanks for
note things, get out of here, and then you spun
the block back and you want to get that to me.
I don't see what the advantage is when I don't
see it's going to be a winning scenario.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And again, these.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Quarterbacks are coming in with a bunch of starts, yep,
coming in ready, Shadoor is about is I'm not saying
he's going to be great right off the bet. What
I'm saying is experience wise, well, Kelvin, it's a lot
of things, right. So number one, number one, Flocko. They
sent Flucko away at the demand of Deshaun Watson's team,
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so they didn't want to get rid of him. They
wanted to keep him milk. There was a reason for that.
So that's number one, white left number two. All that
sounds good throwing those guys in there, But and I
think the expectations for the Cleveland Browns on the outside
is pretty low because they're in a tough, tough division.
You know they had a down season last year, huh,
(29:15):
But I think the core of that team is really
good and I think they can compete and I think
they can win a lot of games this year. Debate, right,
but I think they have that talent. So you have
a quarterback that took you to the playoffs a year
and had two years ago, and you know what you're
gonna get from him with the team that's.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Right, Yeah, you do.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You know you already said he's gonna he's gonna be
he's gonna have three weeks where he's playing great and
he's gonna win three games for you and maybe he
loses one, but you know he can win games for you.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
So you have a team that's ready.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
You have a team that's ready, and they're gonna give
them themselves the best chance to win. And also we
don't know the least for their head coach Kevin Stefanski either.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
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Speaker 1 (30:05):
That's right, Kevin Washington, carry Rose, we already odd couple.
He is in for Rob on this Magic City Monday.
Big thank you to Timothy Parker from Spectrum Sport Networks.
I should say, joined us moments ago check out the podcast.
Got a chance to talk to him about things that
happened in LA sports wise, especially Matthew Stafford Carrey showing
up to practice and practicing, and I like the way
(30:26):
Timothy said it. He said, maybe just kind of you know,
saving face, just kind of hey, going out there a
little bit, and you know, because we still don't know
what the heck's going on there. Coming up a little
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Speaker 4 (30:42):
NFL reporter for USA. Today's gonna join us. We'll talk
some more NFL headlines with him. Looking forward to that.
Afterwards we'll do last Call. Get a chance to hear
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Speaker 3 (31:16):
And maybe you had a little too much fun this weekend.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
You got achy knees, the stiff back joints aren't cooperating
with Some days your body is just like, nah, it's
not gonna do it. And know on those days, luckily
there's a leave with just one pill. A lead provides
up to twelve hours of paying relief so you can
keep on moving. Use as directed get to our Big
ten conversation. One bit, I just wanted to give you props. Well,
you've been fighting through what I've been fighting through. I
(31:41):
know that you're sick that you lost or broke or whatever.
You did some cool, pretty some pretty cool shade you had.
And more importantly than the shades that were just right, dude.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
When you find those pair of shades that fit, you
want to hold on near and dear to them. You
almost suffocate them. Yeah, you know, keep them really close
and uh yeah, I set them down and set them
down in the theater man, And Okay, I was so
tired and just wanted to get out of there right
and in the haste, I just left out and left
(32:17):
them in the cup holder at the theater. Oh, never
to be seen again. Did we call them? We called,
We went back, We did call. Okay, they weren't there.
How long between the leaving and the callback it was
probably it was like a day and a half.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Oh, them big, gone big. I'm so glad this ain't
the nineties. And you would have wasted your minutes. Remember
we had minutes for ourselves. You'd have wasted minutes. I
thought you were gonna say, like two three hours. Okay,
there's hope, Nah, Alex, give me the glow real of
seven seven. Let me tell you it is so fly.
It's some fly person working in that theater right now, Alex.
(32:54):
They're right around, right now with Carrie shades on feeling
good on this summer day, right now, while I'm nice
right man, while I'm in my feelings over here, while
you were in your feeling dropping songs, they're feeling good
righting around your shades.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Boy, I tell you you're right though.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
When you get it, when you get a perfect fit, dude,
I don't care if they cost I was telling you
and Ryan, yeah, costs a dollar or twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
When are the ones you like fit? Right?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know you like the ten and just to make
you feel good when you wear Man prices and we've
all lost a pair two. I had to call a
hotel I had. It was an award show. Left them
on the table. I called, hey, hello, big hotel. Hey, yeah,
they're like, they're here and they I had to pay
like twenty five dollars for them to mail them to me.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
But dang it, you got them. It was worth And no,
I don't know where they are. Let's stay focused. I
have no idea whe they are, to be honest, I
think my daughter's tossing them somewhere, all right.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
By Kerry Rhoades shades.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Ooh, shaded ooh, noted, noted, just let me get it,
let me get let me get eight bars on it,
all right, Ryan Man, there's a Big ten floating idea
about twenty eighteen college football playoff breaking down.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Yes, So this was a report that came out from
Pete Thamill over the weekend. He said the Big Ten
has considered an idea of massive expansion to the college
football playoff that would grow the postseason to twenty four
or twenty eight teams. While the idea is in the
very early stages, the proposal eliminates conference title games and
offers a large number of auto bids for all four
Power leagues, sources said. For example, in the twenty eight
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team model, the Big Ten and SEC would each get
seven auto bids, while the ACC and Big twelve would
each receive five. There would be two auto bids for
the non Power four conferences and two at large teams.
Big Big Ten commissioner Tony Petiti ran the idea by
his conference last Wednesday, and it has begun being shared
by others.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
All Right, we went from four to twelve, not four
to eight, four to twelve, and now not twelve to
sixteen and twenty two twenty four.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
We're jumping at twenty eight. Now.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
There's a lot to break down here, Kerrie, So let's
get into this, all right. So first of all, is
this march madness in the fall?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It's crazy? And I'm assuming you I don't know, So
I'm gonna tell you, Wryan, because I don't. You might
love the.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Idea, I don't know So this is what you're setting
up for. You're setting up for the big ten one
seven teams in whatever it is. You're gonna have a
four loss Indiana team or a four loss Iowa team
actually competing and having a chance, you never know, to
get to the national championship game. And this is what
you have when you start to think about money over tradition,
(35:31):
right when you start to picture everything is about a dollar,
which we know that it is. But Dan Get, the
illusion is gone. It's gone. They ain't even trying to
hide it anymore. And to stop selling me, by the way,
Ryan carry, stop selling me on safety of the collegiate athlete.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
He's a scholar athlete.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Stop that, because I mean there's gonna be more because
you gotta go round around right other than the four teams,
but they'll get a bye. We gotta go round around
city to city, more traveling.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
And this is.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Exactly why these kids should get the money they can.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I think there's some parameters in some ways to do
it better, but you should because you never know, dud,
You've got more games, less time, you focusing on your academics,
which some aren't. And I want to put say all
work there's a lot who are understand I ain't going pro,
but there's some who believe they are and ain't caring
right now, So let's start with the idea they're the
student athlete, because that clearly is not the case here.
And to put money over tradition again, and this is
(36:24):
greed when you're talking about from the Big ten and
the SEC. Right, so we already know that coud both
these teams will get seven bids, which you mean seven
teams in and so on and so forth, more popularity,
more television, and then this is just gonna be something
where we already had to blow out this last go round, right,
the average you know what the first round was, the
average margin of victory almost twenty was nineteen points a game.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Okay, you had more.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Now you have more games where the possibility of these
blowouts and it's whereas a waste of time and we're
not really watch it. And again I go back to
the becoming the meaningless games college football would made it
different than other ones is there's about twenty teams or so,
who hey, we can't lose more than two?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, max three? But two?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Really is it to really have a chance to compete?
Now you can lose three, four, maybe five if we
go to this twenty eight game model. So college football
is perfect because it's not like the other sports programs,
and the moment we actually make it to get where it's,
you know, easier to get in, we're gonna lose. What
makes it special for those Again, there's a lotment of
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teams who actually have a shot a shot at it,
and sometimes bigger than necessarily mean better. In this case,
it means greedier. And I'm saying, guys, like, where's the
point of it all when you have a chance to
be in it? Even if you lose, Skip two, three weeks,
lose again, skip another couple weeks, lose again, don't.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Worry about the fans. We still got a shot. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
All this is doing, Kelvin is taking the urgency out
of college football, right, Like, if you can lose that
amount of games, I don't have to tune in as
much to watch because it doesn't matter as much. Like
if you lose a game two games now, like you're
still in the hunt.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
When I played, if you lost one game, you're done.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Like the importance that each game, each game meant for
college collegiate athletes at the time was a big deal
and that's why people tuned in because any get the
whole any given Saturday, I know it's any given Sunday,
any given Saturday. If your top team loses, they're done.
And so you're taking that element out of it. It'll
make it'll make college football less enjoyable. But also you're
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also setting up for just bad football. Yes, you just
said it that it was only it was a twelve.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
It was twelve last year, and it was bad football
with the twelve. So imagine if you go to twenty eight.
I don't I don't want to. I don't want to
watch that.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
You're not because you're here's the thing you're bringing in
twenty eight teams. It's not as if you're bringing the
best teams. No, you're gonna have probably twenty bad, maybe
eighteen bad teams, five pretty good, and then five really good,
and you're gonna get them all mixed matched in this
one because they happen to win the champions and you
get and then you're gonna get a bunch of blots.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
And we just had that.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I just told you the average margin of victory was
twenty yep. So now it's not as if you're getting me,
these games are gonna be good. And if you want
to use the March Madness equation, we love the Cinderella
a little bit, but we ultimately get the powerhouses.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
We're getting Dukes, the Yukons and North Carolina's yeah, and
you know, the the Gonzagas or something that's we're getting
the blue bloods in there, and that's what we're getting,
and we're gonna ultimately get the same teams and the
college football playoff team at the end of it all.
And March Madness is totally different because it's five players
on the court. One guy can go off in the
game and steal you a game. We're in football. It
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just doesn't work that way. You're not beating Ohio State.
If you're you know, you're some bad team.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
No, No, Kansas is not beating Alabama.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
You went Kansas. You just threw Kansas out there. I
did throw under the bus. Well, they got the basketball
side stick with that.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
So this idea that yeah, let's just make it twenty
eight teams. We'll get seven and you'll get seven and
the rest of y'all fighting for your life.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, that's the crazy part.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
And what they're trying to do carry is keep the
hope alive for a little team that you know, oh man,
you got a chance to do something you don't and
it can maybe be a payday for these other teams. Right,
you got to because if you mess around, and uh
there's also Ryan correct me if I'm wrong. The way
it's going to work is a lot of teams will
get home field advantage.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
It's not going to be like a lot of neutral sites.
So you got to So.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
If you're a smaller school and you get a game
or two, that's a big that's a big money for
those schools. We got an extra couple of playoff games
that we can charge big money for parking and concessions.
And sure, mess around and make seven, eight, ten million
a game or whatever the number would be for these games.
You know, sure that's great for them, but ultimately the
quality of the football is going to be horrible. And again,
(40:46):
it's just rewarding mediocrity for teams that we have higher
expectations for. If you're Georgia and you lose three or four,
Alabama lose three or four, Yeah, we don't necessarily that
we have high expectations for you Michigan, right, and you
can't just oh man, I lost four or five games
and I got a shot like, no, the season should
be over for you, and we'll see you next year.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Recruit better, get better schematics and play the better quarterback,
and we'll see you next fall and get more money
and get more bread. Throw that in there, because that's
that's this is the new that you forgot. Give money,
the new college, will get more money, go get some
better play exactly that part, because you know they'll be
available because God, by God forbid you stick around. They
(41:31):
were just talking, Oh my gosh, who's the man the
quarterback who was behind?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Who was the quarterback that was supposed to be next
up when Caleb left? Looked that up for me real quick.
Ryan forgot his name.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Miler Moss. Miler Moss was Miler Ross Moss was at USA. Yeah, yeah,
but I think he actually got this spot, but looking
up for it. So they did the whole thing on
breakdown of how where this kid is now? And he
just kept transferring and leaving schools, and he was the
number one in his class and then he's number two,
and now he's like the five hundre than thirteenth ranked
player in college football.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
And my point is I always use it as man.
I'm all for look these kids being able to have
power over their lives because because coaches can look you
in your eye and being your mom and daddy living room.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
I'm not gonna leave. I'm here with them to the end.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
First thing smoking. Hey, it's your agent. They offered you
an extra five hundred thousand a year. We out right,
First thing, First thing smoking. So I do love the
idea that these players can have more power and control
of their their their lives. But what I don't like
is you not having the the wear a thought to
understand sometimes the best situation is there and you just
(42:36):
might have to outplay somebody.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
You might have to beat somebody out.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
You might Hey, I knew I was supposed to be
the starting cornerback, not quarter corner it sports starting dB.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
But this other kid is balling instead. What do they do?
They keep transferring.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Then you go to small school just because you can start,
and it's like, all right, but you're not playing the best,
You're not nobody's challenging you not to. Dude, you might
have to work in Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, these two.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
But you start for your junior and senior year. That's
all you give me a beast, that's all you need.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
What you need is that one year and a half
on film and you can be a top whatever pick
and get in the league.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
But all new starting. I'm transferring, right.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
And then you go to the other school and you
do start, but you don't like the coaches approach. I'm transferring.
That's the thing I don't like. If it's a real
situation that you know, you would feel the need, great,
but I don't like the idea.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Things didn't go my way. I don't like it. I'm transferring.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Sometimes the best version of you is getting better and
realizing I'm not as good as I thought, and I
got to push through.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
And you have years to do. It's not like you
got one year. Get better. Man up, young man up,
preach outwork this dude. Yeah no, I'm everybody's just transferring, going,
and I'm like, Yo, that doesn't mean you're gonna be
better just because you put on some good take because
you went to Wichita State and with the best defensive
back there.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Don't run from the grind.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
Ever, those be the wisest words you ever hear, don't
run from the grind. I mean I had similar situation
like that in college myself. I came in as a
as a college quarterback, and for me to get playing
time on the field, the coach is like, you're gonna
have to switch the safety and I was like, nope,
I'm out the same mentality at first. My dad was like, no, no, no,
(44:14):
you're not running from the grind. You're gonna You're gonna
stay here. You can do anything they ask you to do.
You're talented enough. Like he gave me that confidence and
was like, no, you face, you don't. As a man,
you do not run from your commitment. I made the
commitment to come to Louisville. So you're here, you're in
the building, you got the scholarship, you do the work,
put my head down grind. Didn't run from the grind,
(44:35):
and here it is now like I completed the task,
you know what I mean, And it.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Had a good pro career. Good career there obviously was
turned into a good pro career. And so yeah, that's
my thing. I'm not saying you have to stay somewhere
if it's a horrible situation, but the idea that a
minute it doesn't go my way. I'm anna bell. I'm
not a fan of that right because all of us.
I don't care what field of work you're in. You
got to push through. You gotta push through, man, you
gotta go through it. You got a boss. I ain't
(45:00):
believing in you. You got to make them believe you.
Got to co work. It has been hard. I ain't
show them what's up. Put them hands on that color.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, you heard me? Right next to me too, he's close.
He's close enough.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
You heard.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
You must sit in here with me and Rob every
now and again we want to put hands on Rob.
I want the lottoed up the ticket. I don't run
no grind.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
There you go like the lotto though, that's what it is.
Then they say that the odds are you gonna be
broken like a handful of heads?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
What they say? Because I like the grind? Yeah, good point.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
That's right, it is the Odd Couple. Kelvin Washington, carry
Rhodes in for Rob for a man who says, I
never take days on Alex. He's taking seven months off.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Not two. Four minutes. I thought it was pregnant, not
full man, not five.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I don't realize it was just all that turkey is
belly and bait, chicken a rounds. That's why we got
a lot going on on this Magic City Monday. We're
gonna have a great show lined up for you. We got,
of course, a bunch of football talk to get to.
We got Timothy Parker coming up in the next hour.
He is a reporter of a Spectrum Networks was covering
the Rams training. He was at the Dodgers padre one
(01:02):
of the games in this series. So we'll talk to
Timothy Parker about what's happening in the LA Sports area.
Looking forward to that Tyler Dragon the following hour. It
would be of course enter for a reporter for USA Today,
bunch of NFL topics to get with him, but also
for you and I to discuss throughout the day. Let
me welcome in my partner for the day or next
(01:23):
couple of days. That is Carrie Rose, what sub brother
I was the weekend man? The weekend is good man.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Right now I'm in film mode, so filming a movie
right now, but like long hours, yeah, obviously, but good
times on set, good vibes, and I'm happy to be
with you.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
You know how that goes. You know, when we get
in the building, it's all First of all, we got
to settle down.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Coming in here in the same type of eye we
walked in all black, all black on black with our shades.
We look like the Blues brothers. I don't know, the
Black brother something. It's got to be another version. Yeah,
Ryan wanted to be down. I told him you could.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
There's like one level of black that I was like, Ryan,
the you can get us with the clothes, but there's
one more level. Yeah, he's miss missing a shad. We
could be creole. He could be creole, a little creole.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
In this family.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, let's welcome in the eye couple crew. We couldn't
do this amazing show without them.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
We got Ryan and for Rob d Now wait wait
wait wait stop the music, Alex, I know, wasn't even
no music going.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
What happened? Is Rob g solely out because it's his birthday?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I believe so?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
No, you got to be more. Steve Seger is on
the job. Find me something to updated some trending. This
better not be It is Rob G out strictly because
his birthday?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Are you a team?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
It is my birthday? I'm taking off workday. No, I
was here on my birthday. So no, so I'm not
on board with robb G just because my tripping.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Because number one, we're not a woman. Number two, we're
not in high school. Yeah we don't. We don't even
need number two. Let's just start with number one. What
the heck? Well?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Is it only a day or is it like a
birthday month type week type thing?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Like we did a whole segment on that. Okay, we
did do it things men shouldn't be doing. One of them.
This is it this is it. You got to show up.
But you know you can listen.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You can take a weekend like we're gonna go down
to blah blah blah for my birthday. Okay, cool, I'm
with that. But the idea I'm not coming into work.
Maybe it's an extension. Maybe he was off on the weekend.
I'm gonna find this out. Steve Sager's gonna get on
top of that.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
He just looked at me like, that's not what I'm
doing today. He's like, he's like, we're gonna get to
the bottom of this. Speaking of Steve, of course, Steve
the Sager is here as well. He's gonna get you
updated on what's training. And Alex on the boards on
the ones and two. All right, color, you would you say,
sons out, buns out. One of us has to bring
the color to the show. Yeah, well, I can't say
the stand up.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Let me see. Okay, it's a red shirt from the
New York City Marathon. Look at that. I thought you
were talking about the runners on the shirt.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I'm gonna look mellenated the Brown Brothers for they're melandated
for sure. Was this but a matter of fact, you're
here usually your son's out, buns out s four days
and I'm gone, Okay, figured two week's gone.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
One day.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
We're gonna have the entire crew at the same time,
maybe like the literal start of the football week. We'll
all be here at the same time. All right, We
got some again, some football to get to him. Excited
to do that. Ryan is gonna get a set on
what has been happening with young Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Caleb Williams had a very strong performance in his preseason
debut on Sunday, went six of ten passing for one
hundred and seven yards in a touchdown. PFF had his
great at eighty eight point nine. Ben Johnson had a
couple of really nice things to say for him after
the game. This is what Ben Johnson had to say.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Caleb made a couple big time throws in my opinion,
to keep that drive going, and some explosive plays there,
and so it was good.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It was good to see. I thought, really the.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Three days of practice we had this week and this
game were the most he stacked up good days in
a row right now, and so the challenges can be
to keep pushing in that direction, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
So here's my thing. We talked about this, Carrie. I
feel like I've even had some Caleb conversations with you
over the last couple of weeks. Sure, yeah, yeah, So
here's my thing. When you go to a really really
good school, right, and let's say at high school, really
top notch high school. I went to a top five
public school when I was back in my day, and
it was with all I knew, right, It's all I
(05:02):
knew is all. That's where I'm from from ann Arbor.
It just grew up. Okay, what's the big deal? Was
not a great student? Shut up? Was an average student
there as far as the work side of it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
But the actual brightness, the intelligence you have it.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I say this to say, while I was there and
you know, having fun, hanging out, prolready doing all that
and just you know, burd you know, making it by
what I learned as I started to move to other cities,
was that time five education that I was receiving and
just me being you know, average whatever put me well
above so many other people. Once I started being around
(05:40):
kids who went to some of the you know, rougher
schools and other areas outside of Flynn, outside of Detroit,
and it was like, Oh wow, me just being around
that type of education rubbed off. I say that to
say Caleb Williams is benefiting from being around Ben Johnson.
Being around Ben Johnson, who is going to expose the
(06:00):
things that we knew his weaknesses were, but challenge him
to get better. Has an offense that is the reliance
upon him being better in order for this thing to work.
And you have a guy for his entire tenure with
the Detroit Lions was a top five offense, number one
last year, so he knows what he's doing. And so
I think we're gonna get the best version of Caleb Williams.
(06:21):
It's going to take time, because again, Caleb has been
able to benefit from being just gifted, being better, being faster,
more athletic, and all of that throughout middle school, high school,
into college where he was running around You're getting it
done and winning Heisman's and you know, having success in
that regard individually, not necessarily team. And I think all
(06:42):
of this is him benefiting from the curriculum of Ben Johnson,
from the curriculum of holding you to a standard, to
a curriculum of get off the team, first teamers, get
off the field. We this won't be acceptable. I'm burning timeouts.
You guys are taking for ever to get out the huddle, right,
And I think the expectations are going to be high
(07:03):
for him with specifically Ben Johnson, but he's going to
be able to extract the best of him and like
I said, he's going to learn so much from that
university of Ben Johnson that he'll go to another school,
you know, and realize like wow, me being here has
benefited and elevated my game so much. But I still
think it's gonna take time. I still have still my concerns.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, I mean the first thing you said is the
most I guess positive thing for Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson
is an a type like a type, a type of person, right,
so the attention to details matter.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
You talked about it. Caleb has been gifted.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
He's been one of the best players, I'm sure since
since he started playing right and so it's come easy
to him.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
When you get to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
It may seem easy in preseason, it may seem easy
in practice sometimes because you know it just happens that
way sometimes. But when those live bullets started flying and
you see other people out there, trying to eat and
make money for their families. It's a different game, and
so or Caleb Williams. And I think for all the
detractors or even people on his side, calm down. This
(08:07):
is year two for this quarterback. And even with the
supposedly down year that he had last year, if you
look at his numbers for a rookie, you'll think it's
pretty impressive. And so obviously when you come with the
generational talent titles and you know, people saying that you're
the best prospect since whatever, like those expectations is going
to be high and unrealistic anyway. I mean, you look
(08:29):
at Peyton Manning when he came in, right, he had
all the tuols, he had the pedigree. Year one he
was trash. Cayleb Williams year one was better than Peyton Manning.
So calm down. What you're saying, He's gonna have a
better career than Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I know, yes.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Parker did not say that, Rob, But what I'm saying
is the fact that people want to the Other thing
about all of this which really makes me upset, to
be honest, is the coverage.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think we have too much coverage.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I know, we're in the business of coverage, but I
think there are some people, there are some people that
should not be covering, Like we don't need to know
that his teammates didn't step up for him when he
got bumped, and like some of that information needs to
be handled within. And so the fact that we're getting
so much information and we're you know, we're really like
lining this thing up day by day. You had a
(09:19):
good day day one, day two, he's in training camp.
You're supposed to struggle. The coach is gonna put you
in situations where you have to figure it out. And
if he hasn't figured it out yet, it's gonna be
a problem.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
First of all, let me let me tell you what's
driving me crazy right now. You just brought that up
social media.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Let me let me just I want to slap everybody
here's but specifically, why remember the good old days when
Sports Center would post something on a on a page
or put something out there. It would actually be something
about basketball, football, baseball, a sport we all enjoy. Yes,
remember it be an incredible highlight. Now they'll just posts
(09:56):
a random kid shooting his uh, his boxes cereal and
a cart in a Walmart Top ten.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
What what is going on? That's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
The standards, Yo, Yo, the standards. We gotta relax.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I understand the need to push content, especially if you're
a content creator like a regular person, but the standard
bear has got to come on. Now, let's get back
to bearing them standards. Because I go on my social
media and I see the most random. It'll be a
five year old in the backyard who put a spin
move on his friend, you know, and playing backyard sandline football,
and that'll make all that. I'm like, all right, why
(10:32):
are we showing that exactly? I say that to say
to your point, we do cover everything. We'll cover every throw.
You used to just know only in the preseason game.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
That's it. Maybe if something huge or bad happened came out.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Now we know every throw, every nick, every I got
a scratch, I got a boo boo. Man, what teammate
yelled at them? And the things that are becoming. Things
were so regular. You played in the league and not
too far removed us bumping chest and us with that
was stand over. Not we all been seeing hard knocks
for twenty some years. That's so regular.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
But now it's like, oh my gosh, yo, this is
happening in training cap he grabs some water and sprayed
it and they got okay.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
But this has been happening guys.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Kelvin, he struggled in team blitz pick up against the
entral squad that they was going agat. I don't remember
who it was, but somebody reported that. I'm like, you
saw him in one period and said, this guy isn't
going to have a good year this year. Relax now,
he did look bad in basketball shorts and T shirts.
I did need more out of him. I did need
more out of him than five out seventeen. Carrie, Carrie
(11:33):
carry you see what happened in game one, well, the
game two of preseason when he got his snaps what
he did?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
He looked good, right, he looked good.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Listen, I hope he looks to an extent as a
Detroit hold On, you can look good, but don't look good.
I need him to be like you know, I needed
to be somebody else. He can't be halle Berry looking
good like that. Held On, don't look like that. Okay,
you can be cool, don't look that good. My point is,
as you know, the preseason is gonna be too much
(12:02):
to try to go back and forth with right, like
we're gonna because now he looks mid the next game
ile you and I got to come on here and
do that. That's why I, for me, was the larger
point of Ben Johnson is going to whatever's in there,
I'm gonna be able to extract it the best out
of you. And you know this from a business or
entrepreneurial standpoint, one of the things you're supposed to do
(12:22):
is hire to your weaknesses. You want somebody that, hey,
I'm not good at organization, will find someone who's organization
league spectacular. Hey I'm not good at math, or I'm
not good at my finances, go get a financial advisor,
somebody who can do all of that. I say that
to say this is why if you're a Bears fan,
you'd be hopeful that Ben Johnson, that's what he does.
(12:44):
If you looked at Jared Goff and the offense, it
was very precision oriented, right, because you know, Jared Golf
ain't rolling around and running every although every now and
again he did catch a pass, how he caught a
touchdown pass.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
But they were so unexpected.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
That's why he was open Thatath falls in the same
category as that little kid shooting the ball the siria
and the butt.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Okay, yeah that does. He was wide open.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
It was like when Peyton Manning used to play fake,
fake the handoff and keep running.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Everybody like what, man, he is not running?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
He actually run. Yeah, I know that's a touchdown. We're
gonna have to just give up because we did not
see that coming. But I said that to say I
just think Ben Johnson's gonna be if it's there, if
he can be good with timing, if he can be
on point on time, if he can be his processing
can be sped up. This is the guy that will
help him do it, and that their marriage needs to
be one that can go stand the test of time
(13:35):
because they can get the best out of each other. Hey,
these are the things you're great at, Ben Johnson. By
the way, you might be getting a guy who can
do the other things too, Meaning I can actually run
out of the pipe when when the play we have
design doesn't work. I can scramble that pass was supposed
to I know, but I got the armstrengts and talent
to get it to the other guy the second or
third look.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
If it need be.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So if they can marriage and make that happen, and
I'm expect it to be fireworks necessarily year two right
off the bat. Yeah, but if they can get that
thing Roland, that will be scary for that division for
sure and in the league as they continue to move forward.
But again, I think there's gonna be He's gonna it's
gonna take time because again, for his whole life, I've
just simply been better than you. I've just simply made
(14:16):
a way when there's been no way, and you subconsciously
become relying on that. And that is the difficulty with
people who are extremely talented. It's to rely right you
get to the NBA. I've always been faster, jump, higher, stronger,
And then, like you said, yeah do so have all
of us, and some of us are working alive. Kobe
Bryant every year, I'm I'm in my lab Lebron every year.
(14:37):
I'm Michael Jordan, I'm coming back. I'm getting better, I'm better.
I'm Steph Curry. I'm working on my left hand even more.
I'm working on this shot. And dudes, just or I
can hoop, No, we all can hoop.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
We all can do it. Kelvin the thing for Caleb,
and I'm gonna make it simple. If he's coachable this year,
he's gonna do his job and he's gonna do it
well because the tools are there. You him all the
things you said he's elusive. If he can make plays
happen off of off of the first read, right, if
he's accurate and no time with the first read, and
(15:08):
he's and he's coachable this year, this team's gonna be.
This team's gonna be right in the thick of that division.
And I'm sorry. I'm sorry for you Lions. If we
already got deal with the Packers and everybody, oh, I know.
But if he's coachable and he really takes in what
Ben Johnson's selling, they're gonna be they're gonna be dangerous.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
No, you just made me not even I hope he's not.
I hope, I hope.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I hope Ben Johnson turns into Ben Johnson the track star.
There you be out here cheating, Steve. I wanted to
smile out of you on that one, Steve. No, Steve
ain't paying attention. He went right now, all right, eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox. Uh, let's let's get We'll
take a couple of calls on that.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
If you are.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Like carrying on and still saying, pump the breaks a
little bit on just a preseason few drives. Yes, pump
the brakes. But where are you with Kayla Williams? Do
you believe this will be a breakout year? Do you
believe he is maybe had some of his issues will
never change. Maybe you're not, Maybe you feel he was
over hyped all these three years or so.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
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Speaker 1 (16:39):
It's the ot couple of my guy Carrie Rose in
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Timothy Parker, he's going to join us. He's been spending
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(17:17):
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Make sure you use as directed. All right, So let's
talk some more NFL and some more younger quarterbacks were
talking about Kayle Williams last hour. Let's talk about Dylan
Gabriel and how he is. He had we got to
see him finally. You know, I've been dealing with that
hamstring injury for a little bit there, so we got
(18:18):
to see him perform in his preseason debut, and a
lot of folks kind of me he kind of I've
been saying that he had kind of been under the
radar because all of the conversations was about Shadure.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, but he had one hundred and forty three yards.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
He fumbled through an interception that kind of wasn't in
his interception, but you know, obviously he's gonna go in
his stats. But and by the way, I got to
give him some credit through some lasers, dough some darts.
He looked good throwing some of those passes in the
tight coverage and a lot of his I think you
you've been high on you do like that? Yeah, a
lot of folks who said, man, that's what he can do.
(18:54):
So he did the best that he could there. But
of course it wouldn't be sports in twenty twenty five
if it wasn't for the other stuff. You thought we
was gonna talk about him. Man, it's a great players
performing at a good job. Yeah, he did a job here.
You look at him.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
He was he was one hundred and forty three yards.
He was thirteen for eighteen seventy two percent.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Nah, na dah. It was what happened off the field
that everybody talking. Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
You know, there's there's entertainers and there's competitors, and I
totally understand that. And My job is to compete, and
that's what I'm focused on doing.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Of course, we're.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
Doing this big game, but you know it's something that
I'll get used to and just want to be the
best team that I can and create an environment where
we can all go do our best work. That's all
we want to do.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And social media lit your boy dealing Gabriel up. They
had a bunch to say about that. What you taking
shots at? Who should do? What we doing here? And
hold on dealing. Gabriel had to say, hold hold on,
this is what I meant by this.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Is what I meant all about thirteen. You know what
I mean in each other.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I would never make that and I've said it before.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
It TWI. It's interesting, But for me, it's I've explained
that the entertainers are you all competitor, That's what.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I am and all my teammates and we both have
jobs to do.
Speaker 9 (20:07):
So that's it.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And then social media debates have becut, Oh my god.
People wanted to know was he taking shots at your door?
Who he is competing with to be the number two?
If your name was Kevin Washington and you were the coach,
you'd be competing for maybe being the starter. That's just me.
We'll get to that in a minute. Because they also
named Joe Flacco as quarterback one. We'll talk about that
in a little bit. No surprise there. But I do
(20:31):
have my points. I love to get your thoughts on
that as well. But this is my thing with the
Dylan Gabriel. Look, I do not believe that he was
talking about your door. I wish she was talking about
your door because I could light into him.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I could have a big old thing.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Oh, when the competition's on, you already throw your man
under the bus when the competition the lights are on.
This is how you handled I would have loved to
go on that route. But the more I have reason
to take a break and don't have to just go
by with social media you're telling me I gotta say.
And the more you dissect and god forbid, do a
little research, you realize Dylan Gabriel has said this before.
You know how folks have their mantras. This is my
(21:10):
thing I stand on, This is the thing I believe him.
Being a quarterback, you can tell he takes the position seriously.
You can tell he wants to be good at the podium,
and this is one of those things he's mentioned before.
And he was talking about entertainers. He was talking about
people like me and you. Yeah, because you on this
side now on the field, no more care. You ain't
if I did both, stay focused.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
You ever hear it now?
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Nobody want to hear about that. I'll bring it up
later when you played, But right now you ain't us.
And so this is him, say what you know? That's
that coach speak that QB once speak. Right well, locked in,
this is what we do. It's all about us.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
We're only worried about our locker room and we can
only control the controllables and all those mantras and sayings
and cliches you say.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
And so that's what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
But it was another lesson learned of you being podium
ready in high school. You being podium ready in college
is different than the pros. You being podium ready is
different than the pros. You being the guy you know
historically in college is a lot. At Oregon and at
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organ has been a very successful program in the last
twenty thirty years, but it's hit different than being in
Cleveland and in the NFL, where there's already controversy. They've
been successful, but we don't know any of their players exactly.
And now you're in a position where we are waiting,
we are watching what Joe Flacco gonna say? Is he
(22:29):
gonna say, I don't care about these youngins. I'm trying
to do me what's Kenny Pick? No, actually nobody cares
about Kenny Pick? What is Dylan Gaber't gonna do?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Or say? What is Sho do?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Or Deon Sanders Gon say we're all watching this soap opera.
And he threw out a little fuel to add to
the fire. And there is a lesson to be learned
with that. And I think again, while he was well groomed,
and you know, and and was ready to be again
that podium ready guy at at Oregon, welcome to the pros.
And just like the pro game is different, and the
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speed is different, and the pace in which they play
is different. And that that linebacker I used to escape
for is running a four to three. Now it hit different.
So does all the drama and everything that comes with it.
So he was trying to avoid entertainers, and by the
little Freudian slip there, he threw some fuel to the entertainers.
And now we're having these conversations and instead of what's
on the field, And we're gonna get back to that
(23:20):
what's on the field, because I do want to talk
about Joe fla o QB one.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
But what's your thoughts on Dylian?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, No, you said you said a lot there about
the vacuum that's the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And the vacuum that's Cleveland right now. It's insane.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
So anything that happens or anything that's said, obviously it's
going to be amplified, right, And so I don't think
you have to watch what you say. I think I
think there's like a misconception with that for athletes, right,
as long as you're yourself, I think people are gonna
love you or hate you regardless. Take for example, Marson
Lynch his interviews and stuff he did when he was
(23:59):
talking to the media, he was solely himself. Either you
liked it or you hated it, right, But being in
between and doing the politically correct thing, when especially nowadays
with the coverage that they have in the NFL, you're
not gonna win anyway. So for me, I would tell
any player that's going through training if I was giving
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them training, obviously there are things in their team principles
that your team stands by. So there are things you
have to operate when it comes to that. But when
it comes to you and you trying to get yourself
or get your point across to whoever it is outside
of your team, just be you because everything you say
is going to be picked apart anyway. So if as
(24:39):
long as you're being yourself and you can live with
what you're saying and what's going on, do that you
don't have to worry about having the Freudian slip at
that point, right, Like, no, I meant what I said,
and I don't have to go back on and you
know I've said that this is who I am. So
I think that's the part about media and kids and
these guys, this new age NFL with so much coverage
around it.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Well, I think that what happens though, I think that
comes with getting burned a couple of times like this,
where you start to say, screw it. Yeah, I say
I love Sy y'all can say no, you don't exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I say I hate Sha. You say, see he hate her.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
So I might as well stand on business and say
what I believe, and I believe and stand on that
and I think that comes from getting burned. So I
think he's gonna learn that I'm gonna say what I
mean and mean what I say regardless, and obviously he
did in his case, but I ain't gonna be doing
a lot of backtracking, right And honestly it took you
know me, you I may be different because like maybe
for you, it was being the player and they were
interviewed you you're a player now again you're a former player.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm a player now, okay.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
And maybe they were asking you questions and you were
trying to do the perfect little thing, or maybe it's
now you on this side of things or being interviewed
as an artist and whatnot, and I had to learn that,
you know we're doing this on a mic. Well, I
don't want to offend. And maybe it's like, man, this, hey,
this is how I feel, This is what I believe.
This is my opinion. And you have to be comfortable
because right now somebody's gonna say, man, you're crazy to
hate you. Somebody else is gonna say, man, you one
thousand zica rate. You want to be exactly saying what
(25:57):
you believe, standing on that and it be what it is,
say what you so nobody else can take it out
of context one hundred percent. So with that being said, though, Dylan,
Gabriel and now Shaud Dour as well both look solid.
Gabriel throwing an interception of pick six and also fumbling
which was absolutely his fault, but overall played pretty well,
as did Shaduur.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
He played really well.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So now you come out after that when both the
week prior Shadur, this week is Gabriel Dylan, and now
they say Joe Flacco's QB one, which was to be expected.
We all thought that. My thought intake has been this.
This is where Rob and I disagree, and you can
I want to get your thoughts on it. I'm straight
on the recyclables. I'm straight on going back to my
(26:43):
old girl that on the left started again, left them
passed on, and now I'm going back to her again.
When I know what it's gonna be, We're gonna have
a good six weeks and then I'm gonna be pulling
my hair out again and wanting to get on and
move on. That's Joe Flacco. You're gonna have a good
six weeks. You're gonna be six and eleven with Joe Flacco.
(27:06):
And he'll have three weeks in a row where.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
You like see it.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So what I'm talking about baby playoffs And then you're
gonna go, why is this dude starting similar to Indianapolis?
And then you can to me, my whole point is,
i'd rather start if it's Dylan. Fine, let's get the
Dylan Gabriel train rolling.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
If it's your door, which i'd rather be because you
just from the fan.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I don't know why to not.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I'd be embracing the fan fare. Fans are all in. Well,
he's got the number two.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Jersey.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Ratings were up, more people to watch the preseason game
than ever for the Browns. I'm rolling into that. I'm
loving it. We got a guy and he's young, so
that there's potential as long as he's progressing Carrie throughout
the season, and even if we only go six and eleven,
but I see where we're going.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Allah.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
You mentioned Peyton Manning last hour, and say be Peyton.
But my point is to me, I'd rather that with
the young guy. And let's say Chador sucks and he
goes oh for six and just looking horrible. Yeah, yep, Dylan,
you out, buddy. I don't get to recycling Joe old Coole.
I already know what that is. Well, and he's two
years removed from taking y'all the postseason. He took you
(28:20):
to postseason. You let him go, y'all said, thanks for
note things, get out of here, and then you spun
the block back and you want to get that to me.
I don't see what the advantage is when I don't
see it's going to be a winning scenario.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And again, these.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Quarterbacks are coming in with a bunch of starts, yep,
coming in ready, Shadoor is about is I'm not saying
he's going to be great right off the bet. What
I'm saying is experience wise, well, Kelvin, it's a lot
of things, right. So number one, number one, Flocko. They
sent Flucko away at the demand of Deshaun Watson's team,
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so they didn't want to get rid of him. They
wanted to keep him milk. There was a reason for that.
So that's number one, white left number two. All that
sounds good throwing those guys in there, But and I
think the expectations for the Cleveland Browns on the outside
is pretty low because they're in a tough, tough division.
You know they had a down season last year, huh,
(29:15):
But I think the core of that team is really
good and I think they can compete and I think
they can win a lot of games this year. Debate, right,
but I think they have that talent. So you have
a quarterback that took you to the playoffs a year
and had two years ago, and you know what you're
gonna get from him with the team that's.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Right, Yeah, you do.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You know you already said he's gonna he's gonna be
he's gonna have three weeks where he's playing great and
he's gonna win three games for you and maybe he
loses one, but you know he can win games for you.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
So you have a team that's ready.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
You have a team that's ready, and they're gonna give
them themselves the best chance to win. And also we
don't know the least for their head coach Kevin Stefanski either.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
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Speaker 1 (30:05):
That's right, Kevin Washington, carry Rose, we already odd couple.
He is in for Rob on this Magic City Monday.
Big thank you to Timothy Parker from Spectrum Sport Networks.
I should say, joined us moments ago check out the podcast.
Got a chance to talk to him about things that
happened in LA sports wise, especially Matthew Stafford Carrey showing
up to practice and practicing, and I like the way
(30:26):
Timothy said it. He said, maybe just kind of you know,
saving face, just kind of hey, going out there a
little bit, and you know, because we still don't know
what the heck's going on there. Coming up a little
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Speaker 4 (30:42):
NFL reporter for USA. Today's gonna join us. We'll talk
some more NFL headlines with him. Looking forward to that.
Afterwards we'll do last Call. Get a chance to hear
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Speaker 3 (31:16):
And maybe you had a little too much fun this weekend.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
You got achy knees, the stiff back joints aren't cooperating
with Some days your body is just like, nah, it's
not gonna do it. And know on those days, luckily
there's a leave with just one pill. A lead provides
up to twelve hours of paying relief so you can
keep on moving. Use as directed get to our Big
ten conversation. One bit, I just wanted to give you props. Well,
you've been fighting through what I've been fighting through. I
(31:41):
know that you're sick that you lost or broke or whatever.
You did some cool, pretty some pretty cool shade you had.
And more importantly than the shades that were just right, dude.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
When you find those pair of shades that fit, you
want to hold on near and dear to them. You
almost suffocate them. Yeah, you know, keep them really close
and uh yeah, I set them down and set them
down in the theater man, And Okay, I was so
tired and just wanted to get out of there right
and in the haste, I just left out and left
(32:17):
them in the cup holder at the theater. Oh, never
to be seen again. Did we call them? We called,
We went back, We did call. Okay, they weren't there.
How long between the leaving and the callback it was
probably it was like a day and a half.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Oh, them big, gone big. I'm so glad this ain't
the nineties. And you would have wasted your minutes. Remember
we had minutes for ourselves. You'd have wasted minutes. I
thought you were gonna say, like two three hours. Okay,
there's hope, Nah, Alex, give me the glow real of
seven seven. Let me tell you it is so fly.
It's some fly person working in that theater right now, Alex.
(32:54):
They're right around, right now with Carrie shades on feeling
good on this summer day, right now, while I'm nice
right man, while I'm in my feelings over here, while
you were in your feeling dropping songs, they're feeling good
righting around your shades.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Boy, I tell you you're right though.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
When you get it, when you get a perfect fit, dude,
I don't care if they cost I was telling you
and Ryan, yeah, costs a dollar or twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
When are the ones you like fit? Right?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know you like the ten and just to make
you feel good when you wear Man prices and we've
all lost a pair two. I had to call a
hotel I had. It was an award show. Left them
on the table. I called, hey, hello, big hotel. Hey, yeah,
they're like, they're here and they I had to pay
like twenty five dollars for them to mail them to me.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
But dang it, you got them. It was worth And no,
I don't know where they are. Let's stay focused. I
have no idea whe they are, to be honest, I
think my daughter's tossing them somewhere, all right.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
By Kerry Rhoades shades.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Ooh, shaded ooh, noted, noted, just let me get it,
let me get let me get eight bars on it,
all right, Ryan Man, there's a Big ten floating idea
about twenty eighteen college football playoff breaking down.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Yes, So this was a report that came out from
Pete Thamill over the weekend. He said the Big Ten
has considered an idea of massive expansion to the college
football playoff that would grow the postseason to twenty four
or twenty eight teams. While the idea is in the
very early stages, the proposal eliminates conference title games and
offers a large number of auto bids for all four
Power leagues, sources said. For example, in the twenty eight
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team model, the Big Ten and SEC would each get
seven auto bids, while the ACC and Big twelve would
each receive five. There would be two auto bids for
the non Power four conferences and two at large teams.
Big Big Ten commissioner Tony Petiti ran the idea by
his conference last Wednesday, and it has begun being shared
by others.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
All Right, we went from four to twelve, not four
to eight, four to twelve, and now not twelve to
sixteen and twenty two twenty four.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
We're jumping at twenty eight. Now.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
There's a lot to break down here, Kerrie, So let's
get into this, all right. So first of all, is
this march madness in the fall?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It's crazy? And I'm assuming you I don't know, So
I'm gonna tell you, Wryan, because I don't. You might
love the.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Idea, I don't know So this is what you're setting
up for. You're setting up for the big ten one
seven teams in whatever it is. You're gonna have a
four loss Indiana team or a four loss Iowa team
actually competing and having a chance, you never know, to
get to the national championship game. And this is what
you have when you start to think about money over tradition,
(35:31):
right when you start to picture everything is about a dollar,
which we know that it is. But Dan Get, the
illusion is gone. It's gone. They ain't even trying to
hide it anymore. And to stop selling me, by the way,
Ryan carry, stop selling me on safety of the collegiate athlete.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
He's a scholar athlete.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Stop that, because I mean there's gonna be more because
you gotta go round around right other than the four teams,
but they'll get a bye. We gotta go round around
city to city, more traveling.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
And this is.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Exactly why these kids should get the money they can.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I think there's some parameters in some ways to do
it better, but you should because you never know, dud,
You've got more games, less time, you focusing on your academics,
which some aren't. And I want to put say all
work there's a lot who are understand I ain't going pro,
but there's some who believe they are and ain't caring
right now, So let's start with the idea they're the
student athlete, because that clearly is not the case here.
And to put money over tradition again, and this is
(36:24):
greed when you're talking about from the Big ten and
the SEC. Right, so we already know that coud both
these teams will get seven bids, which you mean seven
teams in and so on and so forth, more popularity,
more television, and then this is just gonna be something
where we already had to blow out this last go round, right,
the average you know what the first round was, the
average margin of victory almost twenty was nineteen points a game.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Okay, you had more.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Now you have more games where the possibility of these
blowouts and it's whereas a waste of time and we're
not really watch it. And again I go back to
the becoming the meaningless games college football would made it
different than other ones is there's about twenty teams or so,
who hey, we can't lose more than two?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, max three? But two?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Really is it to really have a chance to compete?
Now you can lose three, four, maybe five if we
go to this twenty eight game model. So college football
is perfect because it's not like the other sports programs,
and the moment we actually make it to get where it's,
you know, easier to get in, we're gonna lose. What
makes it special for those Again, there's a lotment of
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teams who actually have a shot a shot at it,
and sometimes bigger than necessarily mean better. In this case,
it means greedier. And I'm saying, guys, like, where's the
point of it all when you have a chance to
be in it? Even if you lose, Skip two, three weeks,
lose again, skip another couple weeks, lose again, don't.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Worry about the fans. We still got a shot. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
All this is doing, Kelvin is taking the urgency out
of college football, right, Like, if you can lose that
amount of games, I don't have to tune in as
much to watch because it doesn't matter as much. Like
if you lose a game two games now, like you're
still in the hunt.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
When I played, if you lost one game, you're done.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Like the importance that each game, each game meant for
college collegiate athletes at the time was a big deal
and that's why people tuned in because any get the
whole any given Saturday, I know it's any given Sunday,
any given Saturday. If your top team loses, they're done.
And so you're taking that element out of it. It'll
make it'll make college football less enjoyable. But also you're
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also setting up for just bad football. Yes, you just
said it that it was only it was a twelve.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
It was twelve last year, and it was bad football
with the twelve. So imagine if you go to twenty eight.
I don't I don't want to. I don't want to
watch that.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
You're not because you're here's the thing you're bringing in
twenty eight teams. It's not as if you're bringing the
best teams. No, you're gonna have probably twenty bad, maybe
eighteen bad teams, five pretty good, and then five really good,
and you're gonna get them all mixed matched in this
one because they happen to win the champions and you
get and then you're gonna get a bunch of blots.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
And we just had that.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I just told you the average margin of victory was
twenty yep. So now it's not as if you're getting me,
these games are gonna be good. And if you want
to use the March Madness equation, we love the Cinderella
a little bit, but we ultimately get the powerhouses.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
We're getting Dukes, the Yukons and North Carolina's yeah, and
you know, the the Gonzagas or something that's we're getting
the blue bloods in there, and that's what we're getting,
and we're gonna ultimately get the same teams and the
college football playoff team at the end of it all.
And March Madness is totally different because it's five players
on the court. One guy can go off in the
game and steal you a game. We're in football. It
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just doesn't work that way. You're not beating Ohio State.
If you're you know, you're some bad team.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
No, No, Kansas is not beating Alabama.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
You went Kansas. You just threw Kansas out there. I
did throw under the bus. Well, they got the basketball
side stick with that.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
So this idea that yeah, let's just make it twenty
eight teams. We'll get seven and you'll get seven and
the rest of y'all fighting for your life.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, that's the crazy part.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
And what they're trying to do carry is keep the
hope alive for a little team that you know, oh man,
you got a chance to do something you don't and
it can maybe be a payday for these other teams. Right,
you got to because if you mess around, and uh
there's also Ryan correct me if I'm wrong. The way
it's going to work is a lot of teams will
get home field advantage.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
It's not going to be like a lot of neutral sites.
So you got to So.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
If you're a smaller school and you get a game
or two, that's a big that's a big money for
those schools. We got an extra couple of playoff games
that we can charge big money for parking and concessions.
And sure, mess around and make seven, eight, ten million
a game or whatever the number would be for these games.
You know, sure that's great for them, but ultimately the
quality of the football is going to be horrible. And again,
(40:46):
it's just rewarding mediocrity for teams that we have higher
expectations for. If you're Georgia and you lose three or four,
Alabama lose three or four, Yeah, we don't necessarily that
we have high expectations for you Michigan, right, and you
can't just oh man, I lost four or five games
and I got a shot like, no, the season should
be over for you, and we'll see you next year.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Recruit better, get better schematics and play the better quarterback,
and we'll see you next fall and get more money
and get more bread. Throw that in there, because that's
that's this is the new that you forgot. Give money,
the new college, will get more money, go get some
better play exactly that part, because you know they'll be
available because God, by God forbid you stick around. They
(41:31):
were just talking, Oh my gosh, who's the man the
quarterback who was behind?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Who was the quarterback that was supposed to be next
up when Caleb left? Looked that up for me real quick.
Ryan forgot his name.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Miler Moss. Miler Moss was Miler Ross Moss was at USA. Yeah, yeah,
but I think he actually got this spot, but looking
up for it. So they did the whole thing on
breakdown of how where this kid is now? And he
just kept transferring and leaving schools, and he was the
number one in his class and then he's number two,
and now he's like the five hundre than thirteenth ranked
player in college football.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
And my point is I always use it as man.
I'm all for look these kids being able to have
power over their lives because because coaches can look you
in your eye and being your mom and daddy living room.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
I'm not gonna leave. I'm here with them to the end.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
First thing smoking. Hey, it's your agent. They offered you
an extra five hundred thousand a year. We out right,
First thing, First thing smoking. So I do love the
idea that these players can have more power and control
of their their their lives. But what I don't like
is you not having the the wear a thought to
understand sometimes the best situation is there and you just
(42:36):
might have to outplay somebody.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
You might have to beat somebody out.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
You might Hey, I knew I was supposed to be
the starting cornerback, not quarter corner it sports starting dB.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
But this other kid is balling instead. What do they do?
They keep transferring.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Then you go to small school just because you can start,
and it's like, all right, but you're not playing the best,
You're not nobody's challenging you not to. Dude, you might
have to work in Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, these two.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
But you start for your junior and senior year. That's
all you give me a beast, that's all you need.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
What you need is that one year and a half
on film and you can be a top whatever pick
and get in the league.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
But all new starting. I'm transferring, right.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
And then you go to the other school and you
do start, but you don't like the coaches approach. I'm transferring.
That's the thing I don't like. If it's a real
situation that you know, you would feel the need, great,
but I don't like the idea.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Things didn't go my way. I don't like it. I'm transferring.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Sometimes the best version of you is getting better and
realizing I'm not as good as I thought, and I
got to push through.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
And you have years to do. It's not like you
got one year. Get better. Man up, young man up,
preach outwork this dude. Yeah no, I'm everybody's just transferring, going,
and I'm like, Yo, that doesn't mean you're gonna be
better just because you put on some good take because
you went to Wichita State and with the best defensive
back there.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Don't run from the grind.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
Ever, those be the wisest words you ever hear, don't
run from the grind. I mean I had similar situation
like that in college myself. I came in as a
as a college quarterback, and for me to get playing
time on the field, the coach is like, you're gonna
have to switch the safety and I was like, nope,
I'm out the same mentality at first. My dad was like, no, no, no,
(44:14):
you're not running from the grind. You're gonna You're gonna
stay here. You can do anything they ask you to do.
You're talented enough. Like he gave me that confidence and
was like, no, you face, you don't. As a man,
you do not run from your commitment. I made the
commitment to come to Louisville. So you're here, you're in
the building, you got the scholarship, you do the work,
put my head down grind. Didn't run from the grind,
(44:35):
and here it is now like I completed the task,
you know what I mean, And it.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Had a good pro career. Good career there obviously was
turned into a good pro career. And so yeah, that's
my thing. I'm not saying you have to stay somewhere
if it's a horrible situation, but the idea that a
minute it doesn't go my way. I'm anna bell. I'm
not a fan of that right because all of us.
I don't care what field of work you're in. You
got to push through. You gotta push through, man, you
gotta go through it. You got a boss. I ain't
(45:00):
believing in you. You got to make them believe you.
Got to co work. It has been hard. I ain't
show them what's up. Put them hands on that color.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, you heard me? Right next to me too, he's close.
He's close enough.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
You heard.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
You must sit in here with me and Rob every
now and again we want to put hands on Rob.
I want the lottoed up the ticket. I don't run
no grind.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
There you go like the lotto though, that's what it is.
Then they say that the odds are you gonna be
broken like a handful of heads?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
What they say? Because I like the grind? Yeah, good point.
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