August 19, 2025 • 34 mins
Former NFL All-Pro safety Kerry Rhodes is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin tell us why it appears as though Micah Parsons days are numbered in Dallas, and debate whether the Indianapolis Colts are making a mistake by benching former top-5 pick Anthony Richardson in exchange for the wildly mediocre Daniel Jones. Plus, 2x Super Bowl champion James Washington swings by to discuss what Jerry Jones needs to do differently to get the Dallas Cowboys back to the top of the NFL, whether or not he feels like he was robbed of the Super Bowl MVP in 1994, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
It wouldn't be a day in the off season without
the Cowboys being in the news, or Jerry Jones and
Michael Parson's going back and forth and Adam Schefter, who's
obviously always in the no game is an update on
where they are right now in that relationship.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You can't get a.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Deal done if you're not even talking, and the two
sides haven't had any negotiations since late March or early April,
and it sounds like at this point it's personal.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It sounds like each side.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Is dug in. The Cowboys have come out and said
what they said publicly at the start a training camp,
which Micah didn't like. Micah came out and has to
be traded, that he was ready to move on from Dallas,
which I'm sure they didn't like, and right now both
sides seem to be angry. Now, have all their people
put those feelings aside in the past and figured out.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
A way to work at a deal? Yeah, I don't
see that happening here.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I see these two sides headed towards a divorce in time.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Well, here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Let's just talk about the Dallas kylebooks and danget somehow
we always have to. Let's talk about it, all right,
all right, So you've got me here to talk about
Dallas Cowboys. I'm gonna star calling them the Dallas chat Boys,
the Dallas chat chatty chatty chatty chatty caddies. All they
do is chatty's talk. It's this, it's Micah, it's Jerry Jones,
and it's happening during the season, off season, pick a season.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
It's happening. And so here we are again.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
You got Michael with the podcast, you got Jerry Jones
on radio shows and all the places that he loves
to just carry on these conversations, including they got the
new documentary that's coming out as well. So here's the problem.
The US chatter is actually costing them everything that actually matters,
which you know from being in those locker rooms continuity, uh,
team chemistry, you know, having that that bond, that thing
(02:11):
where you know what feeling good about moving forward? What
do we always hear you guys talk about in locker
rooms and clubhouses. We don't want the D word distractions,
And yet here we are with the Cowboys and it
always seems to be distractions. And it's crazy because it
comes from your owner. It's not coming from some annoyed
backup quarterback or something you know, or some running back
who's disgrunted. It's always coming from from your owner. So
(02:32):
let's let's talk a little bit more about it. You
got Michael Parsons who started the DeMarcus Lawrence stuff. Remember
he was talking about him when DeMarcus Lawrence left. He
was talking smack about him. Then DeMarcus Lawrence going back
to him, and they are going back and forth. And
when you start to do stuff like that, would imagine
DeMarcus Lawrence was a guy in the locker room at
least half the guys like and so now when you're
talking about a guy who left and it starts to
(02:52):
make him look at you. Then we got reports that
we have reports that some of the guys on the
Cowboys often many of them are looking at Michael like
you're always talking as if you're our.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Leader and you're not.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Oh oh, there are reports that that that you're not
that leader like that, And then Michaeh, to his own sabotage,
jumps out and he's talking about men, I want to
be a cowboy, don't matter. I don't even care about
the money. I just want to get the deal done.
Your agent don't want to hear that, and especially publicly.
Tell me this privately and we'll see if we can
get a deal done. Then you got Jerry Jones. Reports
are coming out that they had an opportunity they thought
(03:23):
about resigning Micah two years ago, and he said, nah
Son and Jerry put an axe on that and said no,
well then we go out.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Of course, Jerry Jones. Now he's talking about when Michael
get hit by a train.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
First of all, why would you even say that about anybody,
let alone your best player in the franchise.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Who has that nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
But I want to be here and be a cowboy.
So now he can get hit by a train. Look
at him. Missed six games last year? It was only four,
So now you're making me look like I missed more
than I really do. And as Adam Schefter will start.
So now you start to get this issue where it's
like a divorce for them. So to me, loose lips
shit sink ships, and that's what's happening here. Loose lips,
(04:01):
the sinking ships where you got this team, best player,
argue with the owner, I don't want to be here. Well,
we're gonna do this, And to me, it takes away
from what you're trying to do is get back to
being twelve and five, uh huh, back to getting in
the postseason and finally actually gets to the NFC Championship game,
let alone the Super Bowl. And here we are again.
So now you got your best player. Your defense wasn't
great last year, you had a bunch of injuries, including
(04:22):
in but he was still spectacular, still came up with
I believe twelve sacks. Yeah, And so to me, this
is I don't understand why we find ourselves in this
position again time and time again. But this is just
what the Cowboys do. And now they're gonna lose the
best player to obviously be a trade and get a
bunch of picks, but you just don't know what that's gonna.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Be and again you lose.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And if you're Micah, it should be a lesson learned
that it's okay to lock in and focus on the
football and your team. It's okay to not always have
to speak. Leadership doesn't mean you have to talk, right,
I agree, But the Cowboys ship has already been sunk
for a while.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Right, they don't pay.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
They don't pay the players when they're polls to regularly,
regularly for and for I mean for their franchise. So
I mean, obviously you know the players are getting their
money eventually. Obviously, Dak did you know they're gonna get
They gave the receiver Ceed Lamb, so Micah is next.
But Micah does too much talking, man, and you hit
it way too much talking. I do not like the
podcast during the season. And I'm not one of those
(05:20):
angry veteran players like old school players that played before.
That's that's gonna talk about them doing this podcast. And
he shouldn't, and I'm saying he shouldn't for the reason
of what you just talked about. This team hasn't been good.
If this team was good, then everything was going well.
Obviously the podcast would be more recepted. Right, It's just
that's just the nature of the beast. But when you're
not playing well and your team isn't playing well and
(05:42):
you're sitting there talking about keys for the week and
what I need to be looking for from this, like
you don't give that information up, like these things you
talk about loose lips in the organization. On my team
in New York when we had man Jennie, I mean,
it was so locked down. We didn't give any game
playing stuff away. We didn't give death charged up like
we don't because he was coming from that Patriot way
(06:03):
right exactly, the secrets of the trade you do not
give out. And so people in these players with these
podcasts during the season giving out information and bringing on
guests from different teams, It's like, dude, what are you
doing different?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
It's insane.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So and the other part about Micah for me, when
it comes to getting paid, he's going to get paid.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
He's one of the best at his position.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
But I also think he I also don't think he's
lived up to where he think he is either in
this league. And so we talk about the numbers a
lot of times. His numbers never come up in games
that count, Like I need him to step up in
games that count to show that he is that guy
for me personally, right, And so there's so many moving parts.
I mean, the Jerry Jones thing, it's just he needs
(06:42):
to step away and we all we all know that.
I think everybody around the organization knows that as well.
But he's just never going to let it go. So
you got you kind of have to ride the wave
and see where it goes. But this Cowboys team, man,
they're in they're in trouble. It's way too much noise
coming from a team that's just not good right now.
And and you just mentioned somebody I look at to
kind of be the dthesis of what we're saying with
Micah Aaron Donald twofold one spoke to the media save
(07:08):
what he needed to say, but didn't have to always broadcast,
didn't have to tell I'm the biggest, baddest, And then
what he did was do things when it mattered most
in the big moment, including Super Bowls. That's what I'm saying.
Let's go ahead and the ice this game. I mean,
Michaeh hasn't had that chance, but I mean, but maybe
if he has that in a big game, they can
get them to that next exact exactly, you know what
I mean. And so again I just I just look
(07:30):
at it with Micah. You're really, really, really good. Yes,
you don't need to add the other stuff around you.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
You don't need to. You need to be really good.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And also, leaders I believe are born, did you just
some people are just natural leaders, natural born leaders. But
I do believe you also don't have to be the
part of the thing that is ruining the locker room.
So meaning maybe you're not actually the leader. Just because
you're our best player, doesn't mean you're the leader hundred percent.
But also you don't have to be the reason. I
were always talking about this, going through this, you know,
(08:02):
and splitting up the locker room. And I'm not gonna
act like I have intail that I know the locker
room is split, but what I do know is getting
from the report here. Yeah, and I'll even I'll put
go ahead because I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Put a name to it. Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
No, I was just gonna say that I think when
you said something on this podcast, right like, you said
it speaking for the team, yes, speak for yourself if
you're doing your podcast, that's I mean, whatever you want
to do. Do it then, right like they're gonna do it.
Speak on yourself. Don't speak about every situation that's happened
like you're the voice. You're the voice of the Cowboys,
because obviously it doesn't seem that he's that guy I
(08:38):
want to throw a name without talking about So this
is according to Jane Slater, NFL media reporter Jane Slater,
Cowboys internally discuss the idea of trading Michael a couple
of years ago, and Jerry said, no, that that's what
I meant me clarify that they talked about tradings Michael
a couple of years ago, and Jerry said no, which
is crazy because you didn't want to trade him then
getting you know, peak some peak value. Yeah, but you
(09:01):
also don't want to sign him now you earlier, Like
what are we doing, Jerry, make up your mind? And
also Slater went on to talk about the fact that
Micah's comments on his podcast of rough teammates the wrong way.
The team didn't always believe in him when he called
himself the leader of the team, and that one coach
even said nearly every player was in my office telling
us we needed to do something about him. So I
(09:22):
want to put the exact thing on there, and I
make sure this isn't me just saying stuff. This is
coming from someone in tune with the Dallas Cowboys and
their lockers.
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Speaker 4 (10:20):
The Colts we were just talking about this. You you.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I believe you brought it up with you from Yeah,
they've made it known that Daniel Jones is going to
be their starter. Anthony Richardson will no longer be that
which this is kind of a almost an annual thing.
Now he started, he's not, he's in, he's out, and
so now they have him. He spoke about it. He
was pretty professional, you know. He said, Look, I've been
working hard, pretty proud of my progress, you know, but
(10:45):
at the end of the day, I gotta respect what
the organization wants to do me paraphrasing for him. But
he took it professionally. But this is this is how
I view this. Carrie the Colts basically went into this
like that woman that ignored all the red flags and
looked at a man as a project. She said, I
can change him, but girl, he's never taken anybody serious.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Girl.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
He's always an issues. Girls, he never has a job.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And she's just all she sees is his abs and
his beautiful eyes and she's just like, but I can
change him, okay, And they're sitting there saying, no, girl, look,
these are the deficiency.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
He doesn't have this. He doesn't have this, he don't
have that he won't do that. He won't do that.
He said, no, I got it. I can change him.
And that's the Colts.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
They looked at Anthony Richardson, who had only started thirteen games.
You knew was a project coming in, and they said,
we can change him, just like a woman jakes on
the man that she knows is a project. I'm gonna
dust him up, clean him up, clip his nails, help
him finish.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
School, and then he'll be right.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
He sound homeless, but sometimes well you know, they say,
if you if he knows how to be good in
one particular area, he's got a shot, He's got a shot.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
And that was Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
His area was the dynamic in that he could throw
the ball flick of her wrists ninety yards. He was
obviously strong as an ox and can run. And they
took that project on and now they found themselves in
a position. Last year, you remember him checking out of
a game. We're like, oh, man, something want in deitary
as a killess knee ca and he bree, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
It's something we don't know. No, I was just tired
carry rose in your life? Have you heard a quarterback
excuse me?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
You got done in the Nicknab throwing up on the
field to keep playing in the Super Bowl. Hey Rich said,
real quick, go in for your boy. So when you
have somebody who had been unproven even in the NFL,
if you combine NFL and college starts, you're only at
twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah, twenty eight, twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
You got guys like Pennix Junior coming in forty something
before they even got to the NFL, let alone the
few he got last year.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
So my final point carry.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
The Colts to me had a chance to be similar
to what we see and have seen with the Packers.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Here's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
They could have been the AFC version where we go
from greatness of Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl, We
went twelve this back when a sixteen games, twelve and four, thirteen,
three every year, fifteen to two or fifteen to one, whatever.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Then we go to Andrew Luck. Huh good.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Maybe you wanted more left to be desired, obviously, but
you had a good run with him ntil he retires.
If you get the right quarterback after that, you could
have had a thirty forty five year run of great
quarterback play, right like the Packers going from Brett to
Aaron to now love and they missed that. They took
on the project, thought they could change him, and now
(13:36):
here they are going with Daniel Jones, which good for him, right,
you know, and a good position. They got a good team,
they got some pieces offensively, and maybe he can make
get his second start. But to me, I blame the
Colts and that you took your chance on this project
when you'd already had you already had the proven way
of doing it was finding that guy.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
The crazy thing about the combine and actually picking some
of these players that looked the part.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I've seen it fail quite a bit, right.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
You've had other guys come in and be high draft picks,
dominating in college and even that like dominating in college
to play games and look good on look good in
the training room, look good in the weight room, and
you think that's the missing piece and you miss out
and you without because obviously you need to see them
play against professional level talent to actually even note if
(14:26):
you got the answer right to the test anyway, right,
So then you get Anthony Richardson out there. It's a
big unknown. We don't know what he's gonna do. In
year one, he comes out and he plays well the
first four games before he gets hurt. So like again,
you kind of substantiate those claims of man, he might
be the guy he gets hurt early. So also at
(14:46):
that point, now you got to give him more time
again because it wasn't because he didn't play well, it's
because he got hurt.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So then you come in year two. Year two, the
things started to happen creep up. He's doesn't seem like
he's studying enough, doesn't seem like he's vans on the
field as far as processing. And then you also get
to see that moment with him taking himselves out of
the game.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Immaturity, Right, that's immaturity because if you knew the ramifications
of what that entails for you as a player, and
you've been through the grind, you would never make that
decision passing out. That's it, right, he would have made
a better educated decision in that case. So you know,
you have all these factors coming to playing year too,
so you know year three was going to be a
make or break year anyway, and the fact that he's
(15:27):
not getting the chance to break on the field, in
my opinion is it's kind of a disservice because if
you put all that power and investing the guy that
you think can be the guy, and with what I
just said, in those first two years, knowing that year
three could be make a break and not give him
a chance to see if that works. I don't really
like that decision at all when it comes. But this
is where I want to be on your side.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
But I'm not. Yeah, no, yeah, and listen, i ain't
caping for Daniel Jones. Let me be.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So, let me be very clear. Let me look, Elijah,
I'm a look at his camera. Let me be very clear. Okay,
I'm not caping for your Jones. Put put the camera
on me. I ain't caping for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
This ain't that. But what I'm saying is all right,
you can't be this, And you say, what is this?
I'll tell you man, that's blasphemous. You can't.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You can't have fifteen starts and have failed to complete
more than fifty percent of your pastes nine times. I
don't know if you let me take the help. I
don't know if you heard let me help said this
thing on what Rob would say, you started fifteen times
in the NFL and you failed to reach nine fifty
percent in nine of those games. Name me their top target.
(16:36):
Could you just off the top of your head.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
If he was throwing to me and you fifty percent,
he'd be he'd be under fifty percent, throwing the me
in you. No, don't disrepect me like I'm talking about
me too. No, I don't want to be in with
your No, you need too. I'm telling you gonna beat
you moment right now.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
You're in it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So I got hands, you ain't getting open. I can't
argue I got hands, but I ain't getting open. I
will give you that.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I'm not done.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Go ahead, Since you're trying to be a richest agent over,
here's right.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
What you got?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
He has failed to pass for more than two hundred
yards eleven of the fifteen times.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Again, who's his target? You are about to be my target?
Who else? What else? What else? He got? What else?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He has twenty one total touchdowns. This is where I
have a problem. Okay, if you were telling me he
had twenty one passing with seventeen turnover all, right, well
you know, because maybe he has fifteen twenty rushing. You're
like man at least I'm getting it that way. Twenty
one total to seventeen turnovers. It's almost one for one ratios.
(17:36):
And again we know what the record was, not as
if he was spectacular. And final point, let's just be
more relevant, I mean more recent. Last year specific completion percentage.
What do you think it was? Well, you said the
only but maybe maybe it was one.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Of those years.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
No, it was no forty seven seven and you over
here trying to act like man Steph Curry shot that
from three. His passer rating sixty one point six and
his touchdown in your interception ratio is eight to twelve.
That means you more turnovers? Now do Now do Daniel Jones?
(18:12):
I can't actually no, but I imagine that I have
those ready.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Pull it up.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
And that's the point though. Go ahead, let me see.
So Daniel Jones, he threw more than fifteen touchdown passes
and only one of his seasons he had twenty four
as a rookie, and he's had his best season came off,
of course, and that was in twenty twenty two where
he had thirty two hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Remember they got on hate year. Yep. By the way,
it's only fifteen touchdown in five interceptions, but at least fifteen. Again,
I hate this.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
This is when you say who's better nas or jay
z or Lebron or Jordan. I gotta like bring down
together like I don't want to. I don't want to
act like I'm praising Daniel Jones. I'm just saying, you
can't be that bad a rich annually. You can be
that bad your first year, year and a half. Oh,
it's something special. Did you see the way he just
(18:58):
threw that seventy yard bomb? May see ran over three linebackers.
Woo ooh, But you can't be that bad routinely where
we no longer have any even hope. And they talked
about we even had Ephraim saying there's really no neither
one of them really differentiating themselves. There was no huge thing.
But one of the issues they said going into this
(19:20):
would be also processing. Also who's getting the who's being
more sharp, who's understanding of what recall our calls? Are
getting out of the huddle faster? And you know this
and this goes for you two in any of your jobs.
I tell this all my young Minte's I tell those
people are the job you want to have everything in
your favor when they get a list of applications and
(19:41):
they got a Flet's say five of them time in the.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Field, are saying about five years. Okay, same schools, just
about the same type of schools saying okay, okay, want
the same salary.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You want to have all boxes checked for sure. And
if he's competing with Daniel Jones, who I'm sure they
don't want to just naturally give it to him. Is
Daniel Jones, for God's take. It ain't like he's you
know this, this amazing guy. But what we can't turn
around and do is if they're questioning the processing, questioning
the playbook, questioning getting this out of the huddle, and
(20:15):
because that's that one little thing that they can go
all right, we're all in the hud.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
This is it. We gotta make a decision who we
going with, Who's QB one?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And then you go, I'm gonna go with Daniel Jones,
and your stomach turned because you gotta go with Daniel Jones,
And to me, that's Anthony Richardson. You want to at
least you want to make it hard for them to say,
not me sure showing up doing this processing great on time? Leader,
You know what I mean, understand it percentages of gone up,
(20:44):
gotten better year after year, or maybe game after game
or every every four weeks quarterly. But the idea that
forty seven percent, Come on, man, that's bad. That's bad.
I don't care who he's throwing to. Seriously, No, I
know it's it's very bad. Yes, but at he seven
point seven. It's just he has I get it. He
has not played a lot of football, though, Kelvin, We've
(21:06):
seen Daniel Jones play and I know he's not the answer.
So if that's the case, then what if we had
this conversation yesterday right like?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It's not the same.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Go ahead, No, I know it's not the same, But
I'm saying we had this conversation just yesterday, right like
you you're putting in Daniel Jones, a known commodity that
we know he's gonna play average football. That's Daniel Jones.
We know that Joe Floko's starting in Cleveland. We know
he's gonna play you know, three or four like maybe
outstanding games, but the rest is going to be, you know, good.
(21:37):
Like we know that you wanted to go with the
younger guys and give them at least time to figure
it out, right? Why not do that same thing with
Anthony Richardson, Because I just told you that, A he
didn't have enough starts in college, so he's still learning
the quarterback position.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Now he's in the league and he's had fifteen starts,
and it's looking worse, Harry, that's the issue.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
How is it looking.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Worse because you like that? I know, but it don't.
I hear what you know. You're you're speaking facts about it.
It does look bad, No, it looks bad because but
what I'm telling you is I'm over here. Yes, like
Daniel Jones is that guy you are? That's what you're
doing right now. You're trying to get No. No, I'm
more mad at Anthony Richardson. Just be a little better,
(22:18):
Just start progressing, Just start making some better throws because
you're because you're ceiling the pop factor is there? Meaning, dude,
you threw on the greatest pass I've seen in the
last ten fifty years.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
That won.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
He threw for like seventy yards with his pinky in
the air, just in the air, seventy yards boom, touchdown. Right,
You're fast, you're strong, But it's like, dude, if you're
and you're not. And also, what is the greatest ability
availability he's not been available as well.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
You gotta factor that in. So if you're not available,
I would be fighting for you.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And it happens in all sports, man bro Good, I
know he's injured a lot, but when he's here, he's
throwing for a buck eighty rushing for eighty two touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
You know, maybe a turnal.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
But when he's here, at least I'm getting that with
that Porzingis effect. Yes, spoken like a Maverick fan, it's
the Porzingis effect.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Right, You're like, I know, ooh, but man, when he's on,
I'm getting twenty four.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I'm gonna get twelve rebound, block, a few shots, hit
a big couple of big threes.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yes, it's Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
When people Anthony Davis is a top five player because
he plays both sides when he's there and he's locked in.
But you're like, ah, is he gonna be there, Kyrie, Man,
that's enough. That's two Mavericks. You just named a three
for one former two on the team.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Right now, relaxed, they're gonna be healthy and ready to
go go back down the rich. So that's my point.
It's not that I Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I just think they're looking at it as at least
we need somebody who's gonna play most of the season.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
And and and then maybe not hurt us forty seven.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Come on, and you try to you try to act
like that was I mean, you know who were throwing
to a right?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Go ahead, go ahead, Robertson.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
You started this conversation by saying, Anthony Richardson, we knew
coming in was raw.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
We we had thirteen starts in Florida. Y uh huh.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
Don't you think it's just bad processing? Then by Indianapolis
it'd be like, hey, we know he hasn't played a
lot of football. The only way he's ever gonna get
better is if he plays football.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
And now they've benched him twice. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Before three years. I'm gonna tell you all this. Y'all
sound cute. In theory, it sounds cute, and I get it.
What you guys are under selling, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
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Speaker 1 (24:50):
Kerrie Rose is in for Rob Kelvin Washington on The
Trash Talk on Tuesday, and we are joined now by
James Washington, two times Super Bowl champion, Dallas Cowboy. It's
also in the America's Team new documentary on Netflix. So
get his thoughts on that in just a moment, h James,
what's uping? How you doing?
Speaker 8 (25:08):
Oh? Man? You know I'm killing like a villain, man,
just living my best life.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, I love it man. Now and and I'm trying
to remember we we ran into each other somewhere, uh,
because you know I do the news out here in
La Special.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
I know you the dude that never called me back? Oh,
big time, big time.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
No James, James call him out, James Mount James, James,
I gotta come see you got the Do you still
got the restaurant?
Speaker 8 (25:37):
I don't do the restaurant no more? Man. I mean
you know, you know Donald Trump and that's all my
business up. Well listen, man, I just do you know
I'm the president of the Rose Bowl Attitude here handles
all the community service that comes out of the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You know what we got to get you on the
show Man with the Spectrum Man, do you do all
the great stuff you're doing. Comunity. Let's so let's do
that all off, I'm gonna get your number again. Off
from Rob g Here, off off the Michael. We'll make
that happen for sure. We had a good time chopping
it up.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Boys. Let's talk about this.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
You played with the Cowboys, obviously, you know all the
fanfare that comes with it and everything. What's it like
playing under Jerry Jones and then obviously being in a
lum and just being part of that franchise, watching how
he's conducted himself thirty some years later, where can't get
to the NFC Championship game? Now, can't sign guys, Now
I won't sign Michael.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
What do you make of this? Of all that the badness?
Speaker 8 (26:32):
And they will say Jerry will be Jerry and if
nothing else, Jerry knows how to it up.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, well we were right about that.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
But again, if you're a Cowboys fan, you got anythink
for all the popularity, for all the money the franchise were,
for all the star players we have, we haven't won
a title since ninety five.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Do you know what? I think? I'm okay with that though,
because I will say like this, if they win, they
will talk about us, and if they never win again,
they would talk about us. So I think my guys
sit in a great space. I think the thing most
about the Dallas Cowboys and what Jerry thought he could
(27:17):
do that general manages and he hasn't figured it out.
You know, he needs to allow even to do his
thing and bring in people who understand players. You know.
You look at what happened, you know with the Commanders
and how they went in there and turn that thing around.
(27:37):
Is because it's really having relationships with players and separating business,
which he is probably one of the best when it
comes to marketing and getting the job done. I will
never put nobody before him in that aspect. He's taking
the NFL and that franchise to a whole different level.
But when it comes to football, even though he's just
(28:01):
as much as a fan as a general manager, you
can't be a fan as a general manager.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
That James, I love that.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I love that you still when you talk about the
Cowboy you still say us.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I hear that, I hear that pride. I hear that
pride when you speak about it.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
They just got off the phone with Daran Woodson, the.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Ruods guy, now I want to ask I want to
ask you about that though you're on that team when
they came up and started to find their groove again
and win win a couple of championships with that team.
I want to talk about the dynamic of that team
in that locker room and someone you got any fun
stories about how you guys were able to turn that
corner and and and finally find your groove under under
(28:44):
Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 8 (28:45):
I mean, the thing is is that you know, Jimmy
knew what he was putting together. Jimmy had a formula
of characters that everybody had to play their world. Unfortunately,
some people have to be the villain. And I was
one of the village. And you know, my role was
to be the enforcers, you know, and I was the
(29:07):
bodyguard and I was that guy back in the day
where you know, I set the tone on who I hit,
how I hit, and how I make plays. You know,
rules were a little different. I couldn't play in this
league today because you know you're going with it right,
(29:27):
so it's like God leave, you know, I can't play
the tech football part. But what I'm where it goes
is that one thing that I love and I still
love to this day. We played for each other. We
did not play for coaches, we did not play for fans.
(29:48):
We held each other accountable, even though you know, we
had some wild times, to good and the bad. We
protected each other and we still do that to this day.
And the fact is is that we knew how to
do it both. We knew how to do it on
(30:08):
the field. We knew how to do it off the field,
you know. And it's not till a lot of the
veterans end up, you know, being cast away, that it
got out of hand. But when But if you look
at the time when we were at our peak, you
could see if we go out, it's not just one
(30:29):
or two dudes. I mean the club. You know, you
got a roster of fifty three and you might have
twenty dudes all together at one time most of the
time because we played for each other, and our friendship
and our bonds has lasted a lifetime.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I love that, love that for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
James Washington two times Super Bowl CHAMPI with the Dallas Cowboys,
our guest on the Eye couple, Covid Washington k rose
in for Rob.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Did you get Speaking of Rob, did you get robbed
of the MVP in.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
Ninety three, get robbed. I think I think I think
I got robbed, But I still think that it just
should have been a co m VP. That's like before.
I mean, emmittt deserves his piece because it doesn't happen,
because Troy was definitely off his game, you know, after
having that concussion and burdline getting it done and get
(31:18):
us there, you know, and being able to you know,
then Bernie coles Our steps in and handle his business
when we needed him the most to get us there.
And you know, so you got to think about every time,
you know, we a guy went down, a guy stepped up,
and even though at that point in time, in that
(31:39):
particular super Bowl, you know, Troy wasn't Troy James.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I'm Jame cutting you off right now. I gotta cut
you off because you're being too modest. Eleven tackles, forced fumble,
they ended up being a touchdown?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
What more?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
I mean, what more do they want from you? And
they want they wanted my first born bro. You remember
how I told you they can't let the villain. Oh yeah,
villain see the MVP of the Super Bowl. Okay, okay,
let's let's go back to you. Let's do this super
(32:17):
Bowl twenty seven. Super Bowl twenty seven, we have nine turnovers.
Ken Norton played out of his mind and they gave
the MVP to an offensive guys. We set a Super
Bowl record that still stand to this day.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Man, Ken Norton, Ken Norton.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Saying, you see what I'm saying, Ken Norton Jr. You
see what I'm going with it and understanding that. Man,
it's if you're gonna look at the documentary. I'm trying
to figure out that we play defense documentary.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
About They ain't saying nothing about.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
It, right I mean, actually it must have been three amigo's.
They played offense defense and then Dion showed up and
had his worst year.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
That is funny.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Well, listen, that's why I'm giving you your props right now.
Man eleven tackles crazy interception of forced fumble, fumble recovery
for touchdown. I mean, my gosh, that's easily a VP
status right there. We only got a minute or so here.
Aside from the Cowboys, who are you liking right now?
Who are you saying this team? I like what they're about.
I like what they're building and maybe going into the season.
(33:30):
You say, you know, I'm either rooting for them or
thinking they might be able to get.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
You a super I'm always rooting for the cow.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
We know that, we know that that was a Cowboys aside.
Speaker 8 (33:40):
Hey hey, I'm one of those delusional fans as well.
But you know who I like though. I like what
they're doing up in Washington. I think the MT you know,
when you look at the NFC, I like what they're building.
I like what they've done in the draft and bringing
(34:00):
players in there that's playing for each other. Philadelphia is
gonna as long as they got the nucleus of what
they're doing, it's gonna be hard for people just to
just beat them up because they when you have an
offensive line and a defensive line that plays good football. Man,
it's difficult in the league. And plus they're playing flag anyway,
(34:24):
so it's just a matter of being able to out
maneuver everybody.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
He said they're playing flag, carry they are. It's it's
a glorify the five version of the flag. Yeah, I'm
going with it.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Hey, Rob g we about to get I'm gonna get
out of the studio to safety is ready to light
me up?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Right now? Hey, man, James, we appreciate you as always.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Thank you for your time, brother, and I'm definitely I
told Robber, I'm gonna make sure I get your number
one reach out.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
To you, all right.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I appreciate you all right, James work
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It wouldn't be a day in the off season without
the Cowboys being in the news, or Jerry Jones and
Michael Parson's going back and forth and Adam Schefter, who's
obviously always in the no game is an update on
where they are right now in that relationship.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You can't get a.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Deal done if you're not even talking, and the two
sides haven't had any negotiations since late March or early April,
and it sounds like at this point it's personal.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It sounds like each side.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Is dug in. The Cowboys have come out and said
what they said publicly at the start a training camp,
which Micah didn't like. Micah came out and has to
be traded, that he was ready to move on from Dallas,
which I'm sure they didn't like, and right now both
sides seem to be angry. Now, have all their people
put those feelings aside in the past and figured out.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
A way to work at a deal? Yeah, I don't
see that happening here.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I see these two sides headed towards a divorce in time.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Well, here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Let's just talk about the Dallas kylebooks and danget somehow
we always have to. Let's talk about it, all right,
all right, So you've got me here to talk about
Dallas Cowboys. I'm gonna star calling them the Dallas chat Boys,
the Dallas chat chatty chatty chatty chatty caddies. All they
do is chatty's talk. It's this, it's Micah, it's Jerry Jones,
and it's happening during the season, off season, pick a season.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
It's happening. And so here we are again.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
You got Michael with the podcast, you got Jerry Jones
on radio shows and all the places that he loves
to just carry on these conversations, including they got the
new documentary that's coming out as well. So here's the problem.
The US chatter is actually costing them everything that actually matters,
which you know from being in those locker rooms continuity, uh,
team chemistry, you know, having that that bond, that thing
(02:11):
where you know what feeling good about moving forward? What
do we always hear you guys talk about in locker
rooms and clubhouses. We don't want the D word distractions,
And yet here we are with the Cowboys and it
always seems to be distractions. And it's crazy because it
comes from your owner. It's not coming from some annoyed
backup quarterback or something you know, or some running back
who's disgrunted. It's always coming from from your owner. So
(02:32):
let's let's talk a little bit more about it. You
got Michael Parsons who started the DeMarcus Lawrence stuff. Remember
he was talking about him when DeMarcus Lawrence left. He
was talking smack about him. Then DeMarcus Lawrence going back
to him, and they are going back and forth. And
when you start to do stuff like that, would imagine
DeMarcus Lawrence was a guy in the locker room at
least half the guys like and so now when you're
talking about a guy who left and it starts to
(02:52):
make him look at you. Then we got reports that
we have reports that some of the guys on the
Cowboys often many of them are looking at Michael like
you're always talking as if you're our.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Leader and you're not.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Oh oh, there are reports that that that you're not
that leader like that, And then Michaeh, to his own sabotage,
jumps out and he's talking about men, I want to
be a cowboy, don't matter. I don't even care about
the money. I just want to get the deal done.
Your agent don't want to hear that, and especially publicly.
Tell me this privately and we'll see if we can
get a deal done. Then you got Jerry Jones. Reports
are coming out that they had an opportunity they thought
(03:23):
about resigning Micah two years ago, and he said, nah
Son and Jerry put an axe on that and said no,
well then we go out.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Of course, Jerry Jones. Now he's talking about when Michael
get hit by a train.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
First of all, why would you even say that about anybody,
let alone your best player in the franchise.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Who has that nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
But I want to be here and be a cowboy.
So now he can get hit by a train. Look
at him. Missed six games last year? It was only four,
So now you're making me look like I missed more
than I really do. And as Adam Schefter will start.
So now you start to get this issue where it's
like a divorce for them. So to me, loose lips
shit sink ships, and that's what's happening here. Loose lips,
(04:01):
the sinking ships where you got this team, best player,
argue with the owner, I don't want to be here. Well,
we're gonna do this, And to me, it takes away
from what you're trying to do is get back to
being twelve and five, uh huh, back to getting in
the postseason and finally actually gets to the NFC Championship game,
let alone the Super Bowl. And here we are again.
So now you got your best player. Your defense wasn't
great last year, you had a bunch of injuries, including
(04:22):
in but he was still spectacular, still came up with
I believe twelve sacks. Yeah, And so to me, this
is I don't understand why we find ourselves in this
position again time and time again. But this is just
what the Cowboys do. And now they're gonna lose the
best player to obviously be a trade and get a
bunch of picks, but you just don't know what that's gonna.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Be and again you lose.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And if you're Micah, it should be a lesson learned
that it's okay to lock in and focus on the
football and your team. It's okay to not always have
to speak. Leadership doesn't mean you have to talk, right,
I agree, But the Cowboys ship has already been sunk
for a while.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Right, they don't pay.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
They don't pay the players when they're polls to regularly,
regularly for and for I mean for their franchise. So
I mean, obviously you know the players are getting their
money eventually. Obviously, Dak did you know they're gonna get
They gave the receiver Ceed Lamb, so Micah is next.
But Micah does too much talking, man, and you hit
it way too much talking. I do not like the
podcast during the season. And I'm not one of those
(05:20):
angry veteran players like old school players that played before.
That's that's gonna talk about them doing this podcast. And
he shouldn't, and I'm saying he shouldn't for the reason
of what you just talked about. This team hasn't been good.
If this team was good, then everything was going well.
Obviously the podcast would be more recepted. Right, It's just
that's just the nature of the beast. But when you're
not playing well and your team isn't playing well and
(05:42):
you're sitting there talking about keys for the week and
what I need to be looking for from this, like
you don't give that information up, like these things you
talk about loose lips in the organization. On my team
in New York when we had man Jennie, I mean,
it was so locked down. We didn't give any game
playing stuff away. We didn't give death charged up like
we don't because he was coming from that Patriot way
(06:03):
right exactly, the secrets of the trade you do not
give out. And so people in these players with these
podcasts during the season giving out information and bringing on
guests from different teams, It's like, dude, what are you
doing different?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
It's insane.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So and the other part about Micah for me, when
it comes to getting paid, he's going to get paid.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
He's one of the best at his position.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
But I also think he I also don't think he's
lived up to where he think he is either in
this league. And so we talk about the numbers a
lot of times. His numbers never come up in games
that count, Like I need him to step up in
games that count to show that he is that guy
for me personally, right, And so there's so many moving parts.
I mean, the Jerry Jones thing, it's just he needs
(06:42):
to step away and we all we all know that.
I think everybody around the organization knows that as well.
But he's just never going to let it go. So
you got you kind of have to ride the wave
and see where it goes. But this Cowboys team, man,
they're in they're in trouble. It's way too much noise
coming from a team that's just not good right now.
And and you just mentioned somebody I look at to
kind of be the dthesis of what we're saying with
Micah Aaron Donald twofold one spoke to the media save
(07:08):
what he needed to say, but didn't have to always broadcast,
didn't have to tell I'm the biggest, baddest, And then
what he did was do things when it mattered most
in the big moment, including Super Bowls. That's what I'm saying.
Let's go ahead and the ice this game. I mean,
Michaeh hasn't had that chance, but I mean, but maybe
if he has that in a big game, they can
get them to that next exact exactly, you know what
I mean. And so again I just I just look
(07:30):
at it with Micah. You're really, really, really good. Yes,
you don't need to add the other stuff around you.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
You don't need to. You need to be really good.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And also, leaders I believe are born, did you just
some people are just natural leaders, natural born leaders. But
I do believe you also don't have to be the
part of the thing that is ruining the locker room.
So meaning maybe you're not actually the leader. Just because
you're our best player, doesn't mean you're the leader hundred percent.
But also you don't have to be the reason. I
were always talking about this, going through this, you know,
(08:02):
and splitting up the locker room. And I'm not gonna
act like I have intail that I know the locker
room is split, but what I do know is getting
from the report here. Yeah, and I'll even I'll put
go ahead because I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Put a name to it. Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
No, I was just gonna say that I think when
you said something on this podcast, right like, you said
it speaking for the team, yes, speak for yourself if
you're doing your podcast, that's I mean, whatever you want
to do. Do it then, right like they're gonna do it.
Speak on yourself. Don't speak about every situation that's happened
like you're the voice. You're the voice of the Cowboys,
because obviously it doesn't seem that he's that guy I
(08:38):
want to throw a name without talking about So this
is according to Jane Slater, NFL media reporter Jane Slater,
Cowboys internally discuss the idea of trading Michael a couple
of years ago, and Jerry said, no, that that's what
I meant me clarify that they talked about tradings Michael
a couple of years ago, and Jerry said no, which
is crazy because you didn't want to trade him then
getting you know, peak some peak value. Yeah, but you
(09:01):
also don't want to sign him now you earlier, Like
what are we doing, Jerry, make up your mind? And
also Slater went on to talk about the fact that
Micah's comments on his podcast of rough teammates the wrong way.
The team didn't always believe in him when he called
himself the leader of the team, and that one coach
even said nearly every player was in my office telling
us we needed to do something about him. So I
(09:22):
want to put the exact thing on there, and I
make sure this isn't me just saying stuff. This is
coming from someone in tune with the Dallas Cowboys and
their lockers.
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Speaker 4 (10:20):
The Colts we were just talking about this. You you.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I believe you brought it up with you from Yeah,
they've made it known that Daniel Jones is going to
be their starter. Anthony Richardson will no longer be that
which this is kind of a almost an annual thing.
Now he started, he's not, he's in, he's out, and
so now they have him. He spoke about it. He
was pretty professional, you know. He said, Look, I've been
working hard, pretty proud of my progress, you know, but
(10:45):
at the end of the day, I gotta respect what
the organization wants to do me paraphrasing for him. But
he took it professionally. But this is this is how
I view this. Carrie the Colts basically went into this
like that woman that ignored all the red flags and
looked at a man as a project. She said, I
can change him, but girl, he's never taken anybody serious.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Girl.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
He's always an issues. Girls, he never has a job.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And she's just all she sees is his abs and
his beautiful eyes and she's just like, but I can
change him, okay, And they're sitting there saying, no, girl, look,
these are the deficiency.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
He doesn't have this. He doesn't have this, he don't
have that he won't do that. He won't do that.
He said, no, I got it. I can change him.
And that's the Colts.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
They looked at Anthony Richardson, who had only started thirteen games.
You knew was a project coming in, and they said,
we can change him, just like a woman jakes on
the man that she knows is a project. I'm gonna
dust him up, clean him up, clip his nails, help
him finish.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
School, and then he'll be right.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
He sound homeless, but sometimes well you know, they say,
if you if he knows how to be good in
one particular area, he's got a shot, He's got a shot.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
And that was Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
His area was the dynamic in that he could throw
the ball flick of her wrists ninety yards. He was
obviously strong as an ox and can run. And they
took that project on and now they found themselves in
a position. Last year, you remember him checking out of
a game. We're like, oh, man, something want in deitary
as a killess knee ca and he bree, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
It's something we don't know. No, I was just tired
carry rose in your life? Have you heard a quarterback
excuse me?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
You got done in the Nicknab throwing up on the
field to keep playing in the Super Bowl. Hey Rich said,
real quick, go in for your boy. So when you
have somebody who had been unproven even in the NFL,
if you combine NFL and college starts, you're only at
twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah, twenty eight, twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
You got guys like Pennix Junior coming in forty something
before they even got to the NFL, let alone the
few he got last year.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
So my final point carry.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
The Colts to me had a chance to be similar
to what we see and have seen with the Packers.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Here's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
They could have been the AFC version where we go
from greatness of Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl, We
went twelve this back when a sixteen games, twelve and four, thirteen,
three every year, fifteen to two or fifteen to one, whatever.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Then we go to Andrew Luck. Huh good.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Maybe you wanted more left to be desired, obviously, but
you had a good run with him ntil he retires.
If you get the right quarterback after that, you could
have had a thirty forty five year run of great
quarterback play, right like the Packers going from Brett to
Aaron to now love and they missed that. They took
on the project, thought they could change him, and now
(13:36):
here they are going with Daniel Jones, which good for him, right,
you know, and a good position. They got a good team,
they got some pieces offensively, and maybe he can make
get his second start. But to me, I blame the
Colts and that you took your chance on this project
when you'd already had you already had the proven way
of doing it was finding that guy.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
The crazy thing about the combine and actually picking some
of these players that looked the part.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I've seen it fail quite a bit, right.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
You've had other guys come in and be high draft picks,
dominating in college and even that like dominating in college
to play games and look good on look good in
the training room, look good in the weight room, and
you think that's the missing piece and you miss out
and you without because obviously you need to see them
play against professional level talent to actually even note if
(14:26):
you got the answer right to the test anyway, right,
So then you get Anthony Richardson out there. It's a
big unknown. We don't know what he's gonna do. In
year one, he comes out and he plays well the
first four games before he gets hurt. So like again,
you kind of substantiate those claims of man, he might
be the guy he gets hurt early. So also at
(14:46):
that point, now you got to give him more time
again because it wasn't because he didn't play well, it's
because he got hurt.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So then you come in year two. Year two, the
things started to happen creep up. He's doesn't seem like
he's studying enough, doesn't seem like he's vans on the
field as far as processing. And then you also get
to see that moment with him taking himselves out of
the game.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Immaturity, Right, that's immaturity because if you knew the ramifications
of what that entails for you as a player, and
you've been through the grind, you would never make that
decision passing out. That's it, right, he would have made
a better educated decision in that case. So you know,
you have all these factors coming to playing year too,
so you know year three was going to be a
make or break year anyway, and the fact that he's
(15:27):
not getting the chance to break on the field, in
my opinion is it's kind of a disservice because if
you put all that power and investing the guy that
you think can be the guy, and with what I
just said, in those first two years, knowing that year
three could be make a break and not give him
a chance to see if that works. I don't really
like that decision at all when it comes. But this
is where I want to be on your side.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
But I'm not. Yeah, no, yeah, and listen, i ain't
caping for Daniel Jones. Let me be.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So, let me be very clear. Let me look, Elijah,
I'm a look at his camera. Let me be very clear. Okay,
I'm not caping for your Jones. Put put the camera
on me. I ain't caping for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
This ain't that. But what I'm saying is all right,
you can't be this, And you say, what is this?
I'll tell you man, that's blasphemous. You can't.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You can't have fifteen starts and have failed to complete
more than fifty percent of your pastes nine times. I
don't know if you let me take the help. I
don't know if you heard let me help said this
thing on what Rob would say, you started fifteen times
in the NFL and you failed to reach nine fifty
percent in nine of those games. Name me their top target.
(16:36):
Could you just off the top of your head.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
If he was throwing to me and you fifty percent,
he'd be he'd be under fifty percent, throwing the me
in you. No, don't disrepect me like I'm talking about
me too. No, I don't want to be in with
your No, you need too. I'm telling you gonna beat
you moment right now.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
You're in it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So I got hands, you ain't getting open. I can't
argue I got hands, but I ain't getting open. I
will give you that.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I'm not done.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Go ahead, Since you're trying to be a richest agent over,
here's right.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
What you got?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
He has failed to pass for more than two hundred
yards eleven of the fifteen times.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Again, who's his target? You are about to be my target?
Who else? What else? What else? He got? What else?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He has twenty one total touchdowns. This is where I
have a problem. Okay, if you were telling me he
had twenty one passing with seventeen turnover all, right, well
you know, because maybe he has fifteen twenty rushing. You're
like man at least I'm getting it that way. Twenty
one total to seventeen turnovers. It's almost one for one ratios.
(17:36):
And again we know what the record was, not as
if he was spectacular. And final point, let's just be
more relevant, I mean more recent. Last year specific completion percentage.
What do you think it was? Well, you said the
only but maybe maybe it was one.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Of those years.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
No, it was no forty seven seven and you over
here trying to act like man Steph Curry shot that
from three. His passer rating sixty one point six and
his touchdown in your interception ratio is eight to twelve.
That means you more turnovers? Now do Now do Daniel Jones?
(18:12):
I can't actually no, but I imagine that I have
those ready.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Pull it up.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
And that's the point though. Go ahead, let me see.
So Daniel Jones, he threw more than fifteen touchdown passes
and only one of his seasons he had twenty four
as a rookie, and he's had his best season came off,
of course, and that was in twenty twenty two where
he had thirty two hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Remember they got on hate year. Yep. By the way,
it's only fifteen touchdown in five interceptions, but at least fifteen. Again,
I hate this.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
This is when you say who's better nas or jay
z or Lebron or Jordan. I gotta like bring down
together like I don't want to. I don't want to
act like I'm praising Daniel Jones. I'm just saying, you
can't be that bad a rich annually. You can be
that bad your first year, year and a half. Oh,
it's something special. Did you see the way he just
(18:58):
threw that seventy yard bomb? May see ran over three linebackers.
Woo ooh, But you can't be that bad routinely where
we no longer have any even hope. And they talked
about we even had Ephraim saying there's really no neither
one of them really differentiating themselves. There was no huge thing.
But one of the issues they said going into this
(19:20):
would be also processing. Also who's getting the who's being
more sharp, who's understanding of what recall our calls? Are
getting out of the huddle faster? And you know this
and this goes for you two in any of your jobs.
I tell this all my young Minte's I tell those
people are the job you want to have everything in
your favor when they get a list of applications and
(19:41):
they got a Flet's say five of them time in the.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Field, are saying about five years. Okay, same schools, just
about the same type of schools saying okay, okay, want
the same salary.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You want to have all boxes checked for sure. And
if he's competing with Daniel Jones, who I'm sure they
don't want to just naturally give it to him. Is
Daniel Jones, for God's take. It ain't like he's you
know this, this amazing guy. But what we can't turn
around and do is if they're questioning the processing, questioning
the playbook, questioning getting this out of the huddle, and
(20:15):
because that's that one little thing that they can go
all right, we're all in the hud.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
This is it. We gotta make a decision who we
going with, Who's QB one?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And then you go, I'm gonna go with Daniel Jones,
and your stomach turned because you gotta go with Daniel Jones,
And to me, that's Anthony Richardson. You want to at
least you want to make it hard for them to say,
not me sure showing up doing this processing great on time? Leader,
You know what I mean, understand it percentages of gone up,
(20:44):
gotten better year after year, or maybe game after game
or every every four weeks quarterly. But the idea that
forty seven percent, Come on, man, that's bad. That's bad.
I don't care who he's throwing to. Seriously, No, I
know it's it's very bad. Yes, but at he seven
point seven. It's just he has I get it. He
has not played a lot of football, though, Kelvin, We've
(21:06):
seen Daniel Jones play and I know he's not the answer.
So if that's the case, then what if we had
this conversation yesterday right like?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It's not the same.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Go ahead, No, I know it's not the same, But
I'm saying we had this conversation just yesterday, right like
you you're putting in Daniel Jones, a known commodity that
we know he's gonna play average football. That's Daniel Jones.
We know that Joe Floko's starting in Cleveland. We know
he's gonna play you know, three or four like maybe
outstanding games, but the rest is going to be, you know, good.
(21:37):
Like we know that you wanted to go with the
younger guys and give them at least time to figure
it out, right? Why not do that same thing with
Anthony Richardson, Because I just told you that, A he
didn't have enough starts in college, so he's still learning
the quarterback position.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Now he's in the league and he's had fifteen starts,
and it's looking worse, Harry, that's the issue.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
How is it looking.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Worse because you like that? I know, but it don't.
I hear what you know. You're you're speaking facts about it.
It does look bad, No, it looks bad because but
what I'm telling you is I'm over here. Yes, like
Daniel Jones is that guy you are? That's what you're
doing right now. You're trying to get No. No, I'm
more mad at Anthony Richardson. Just be a little better,
(22:18):
Just start progressing, Just start making some better throws because
you're because you're ceiling the pop factor is there? Meaning, dude,
you threw on the greatest pass I've seen in the
last ten fifty years.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
That won.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
He threw for like seventy yards with his pinky in
the air, just in the air, seventy yards boom, touchdown. Right,
You're fast, you're strong, But it's like, dude, if you're
and you're not. And also, what is the greatest ability
availability he's not been available as well.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
You gotta factor that in. So if you're not available,
I would be fighting for you.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And it happens in all sports, man bro Good, I
know he's injured a lot, but when he's here, he's
throwing for a buck eighty rushing for eighty two touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
You know, maybe a turnal.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
But when he's here, at least I'm getting that with
that Porzingis effect. Yes, spoken like a Maverick fan, it's
the Porzingis effect.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Right, You're like, I know, ooh, but man, when he's on,
I'm getting twenty four.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I'm gonna get twelve rebound, block, a few shots, hit
a big couple of big threes.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yes, it's Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
When people Anthony Davis is a top five player because
he plays both sides when he's there and he's locked in.
But you're like, ah, is he gonna be there, Kyrie, Man,
that's enough. That's two Mavericks. You just named a three
for one former two on the team.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Right now, relaxed, they're gonna be healthy and ready to
go go back down the rich. So that's my point.
It's not that I Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I just think they're looking at it as at least
we need somebody who's gonna play most of the season.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
And and and then maybe not hurt us forty seven.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Come on, and you try to you try to act
like that was I mean, you know who were throwing
to a right?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Go ahead, go ahead, Robertson.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
You started this conversation by saying, Anthony Richardson, we knew
coming in was raw.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
We we had thirteen starts in Florida. Y uh huh.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
Don't you think it's just bad processing? Then by Indianapolis
it'd be like, hey, we know he hasn't played a
lot of football. The only way he's ever gonna get
better is if he plays football.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
And now they've benched him twice. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Before three years. I'm gonna tell you all this. Y'all
sound cute. In theory, it sounds cute, and I get it.
What you guys are under selling, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
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Speaker 1 (24:50):
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Trash Talk on Tuesday, and we are joined now by
James Washington, two times Super Bowl champion, Dallas Cowboy. It's
also in the America's Team new documentary on Netflix. So
get his thoughts on that in just a moment, h James,
what's uping? How you doing?
Speaker 8 (25:08):
Oh? Man? You know I'm killing like a villain, man,
just living my best life.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, I love it man. Now and and I'm trying
to remember we we ran into each other somewhere, uh,
because you know I do the news out here in
La Special.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
I know you the dude that never called me back? Oh,
big time, big time.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
No James, James call him out, James Mount James, James,
I gotta come see you got the Do you still
got the restaurant?
Speaker 8 (25:37):
I don't do the restaurant no more? Man. I mean
you know, you know Donald Trump and that's all my
business up. Well listen, man, I just do you know
I'm the president of the Rose Bowl Attitude here handles
all the community service that comes out of the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You know what we got to get you on the
show Man with the Spectrum Man, do you do all
the great stuff you're doing. Comunity. Let's so let's do
that all off, I'm gonna get your number again. Off
from Rob g Here, off off the Michael. We'll make
that happen for sure. We had a good time chopping
it up.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Boys. Let's talk about this.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
You played with the Cowboys, obviously, you know all the
fanfare that comes with it and everything. What's it like
playing under Jerry Jones and then obviously being in a
lum and just being part of that franchise, watching how
he's conducted himself thirty some years later, where can't get
to the NFC Championship game? Now, can't sign guys, Now
I won't sign Michael.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
What do you make of this? Of all that the badness?
Speaker 8 (26:32):
And they will say Jerry will be Jerry and if
nothing else, Jerry knows how to it up.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, well we were right about that.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
But again, if you're a Cowboys fan, you got anythink
for all the popularity, for all the money the franchise were,
for all the star players we have, we haven't won
a title since ninety five.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Do you know what? I think? I'm okay with that though,
because I will say like this, if they win, they
will talk about us, and if they never win again,
they would talk about us. So I think my guys
sit in a great space. I think the thing most
about the Dallas Cowboys and what Jerry thought he could
(27:17):
do that general manages and he hasn't figured it out.
You know, he needs to allow even to do his
thing and bring in people who understand players. You know.
You look at what happened, you know with the Commanders
and how they went in there and turn that thing around.
(27:37):
Is because it's really having relationships with players and separating business,
which he is probably one of the best when it
comes to marketing and getting the job done. I will
never put nobody before him in that aspect. He's taking
the NFL and that franchise to a whole different level.
But when it comes to football, even though he's just
(28:01):
as much as a fan as a general manager, you
can't be a fan as a general manager.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
That James, I love that.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I love that you still when you talk about the
Cowboy you still say us.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I hear that, I hear that pride. I hear that
pride when you speak about it.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
They just got off the phone with Daran Woodson, the.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Ruods guy, now I want to ask I want to
ask you about that though you're on that team when
they came up and started to find their groove again
and win win a couple of championships with that team.
I want to talk about the dynamic of that team
in that locker room and someone you got any fun
stories about how you guys were able to turn that
corner and and and finally find your groove under under
(28:44):
Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 8 (28:45):
I mean, the thing is is that you know, Jimmy
knew what he was putting together. Jimmy had a formula
of characters that everybody had to play their world. Unfortunately,
some people have to be the villain. And I was
one of the village. And you know, my role was
to be the enforcers, you know, and I was the
(29:07):
bodyguard and I was that guy back in the day
where you know, I set the tone on who I hit,
how I hit, and how I make plays. You know,
rules were a little different. I couldn't play in this
league today because you know you're going with it right,
(29:27):
so it's like God leave, you know, I can't play
the tech football part. But what I'm where it goes
is that one thing that I love and I still
love to this day. We played for each other. We
did not play for coaches, we did not play for fans.
(29:48):
We held each other accountable, even though you know, we
had some wild times, to good and the bad. We
protected each other and we still do that to this day.
And the fact is is that we knew how to
do it both. We knew how to do it on
(30:08):
the field. We knew how to do it off the field,
you know. And it's not till a lot of the
veterans end up, you know, being cast away, that it
got out of hand. But when But if you look
at the time when we were at our peak, you
could see if we go out, it's not just one
(30:29):
or two dudes. I mean the club. You know, you
got a roster of fifty three and you might have
twenty dudes all together at one time most of the
time because we played for each other, and our friendship
and our bonds has lasted a lifetime.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I love that, love that for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
James Washington two times Super Bowl CHAMPI with the Dallas Cowboys,
our guest on the Eye couple, Covid Washington k rose
in for Rob.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Did you get Speaking of Rob, did you get robbed
of the MVP in.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
Ninety three, get robbed. I think I think I think
I got robbed, But I still think that it just
should have been a co m VP. That's like before.
I mean, emmittt deserves his piece because it doesn't happen,
because Troy was definitely off his game, you know, after
having that concussion and burdline getting it done and get
(31:18):
us there, you know, and being able to you know,
then Bernie coles Our steps in and handle his business
when we needed him the most to get us there.
And you know, so you got to think about every time,
you know, we a guy went down, a guy stepped up,
and even though at that point in time, in that
(31:39):
particular super Bowl, you know, Troy wasn't Troy James.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I'm Jame cutting you off right now. I gotta cut
you off because you're being too modest. Eleven tackles, forced fumble,
they ended up being a touchdown?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
What more?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
I mean, what more do they want from you? And
they want they wanted my first born bro. You remember
how I told you they can't let the villain. Oh yeah,
villain see the MVP of the Super Bowl. Okay, okay,
let's let's go back to you. Let's do this super
(32:17):
Bowl twenty seven. Super Bowl twenty seven, we have nine turnovers.
Ken Norton played out of his mind and they gave
the MVP to an offensive guys. We set a Super
Bowl record that still stand to this day.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Man, Ken Norton, Ken Norton.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Saying, you see what I'm saying, Ken Norton Jr. You
see what I'm going with it and understanding that. Man,
it's if you're gonna look at the documentary. I'm trying
to figure out that we play defense documentary.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
About They ain't saying nothing about.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
It, right I mean, actually it must have been three amigo's.
They played offense defense and then Dion showed up and
had his worst year.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
That is funny.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Well, listen, that's why I'm giving you your props right now.
Man eleven tackles crazy interception of forced fumble, fumble recovery
for touchdown. I mean, my gosh, that's easily a VP
status right there. We only got a minute or so here.
Aside from the Cowboys, who are you liking right now?
Who are you saying this team? I like what they're about.
I like what they're building and maybe going into the season.
(33:30):
You say, you know, I'm either rooting for them or
thinking they might be able to get.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
You a super I'm always rooting for the cow.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
We know that, we know that that was a Cowboys aside.
Speaker 8 (33:40):
Hey hey, I'm one of those delusional fans as well.
But you know who I like though. I like what
they're doing up in Washington. I think the MT you know,
when you look at the NFC, I like what they're building.
I like what they've done in the draft and bringing
(34:00):
players in there that's playing for each other. Philadelphia is
gonna as long as they got the nucleus of what
they're doing, it's gonna be hard for people just to
just beat them up because they when you have an
offensive line and a defensive line that plays good football. Man,
it's difficult in the league. And plus they're playing flag anyway,
(34:24):
so it's just a matter of being able to out
maneuver everybody.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
He said they're playing flag, carry they are. It's it's
a glorify the five version of the flag. Yeah, I'm
going with it.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Hey, Rob g we about to get I'm gonna get
out of the studio to safety is ready to light
me up?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Right now? Hey, man, James, we appreciate you as always.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Thank you for your time, brother, and I'm definitely I
told Robber, I'm gonna make sure I get your number
one reach out.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
To you, all right.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I appreciate you all right, James work
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.