August 20, 2025 • 30 mins
Former NFL offensive lineman Ephraim Salaam is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin explain why it's not crazy for Von Miller to suggest that Peyton Manning - not Tom Brady - is the greatest quarterback in NFL history. Plus, the guys chop it up with 4x Super Bowl champion Charlie Weis Sr. regarding his expectations for New York Giants rookie quarterback Jaxson Dart and whether we should expect the Caleb Williams-Ben Johnson pairing to work in Chicago. Later, longtime boxing reporter Dan Rafael swings by to discuss the upcoming Jake Paul vs Gervonta Davis exhibition fight. in
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
We are joined now by Charlie Weis, senior, four time
Super Bowl champion coach. You already know that, and of
course Charlie White, senior on socials.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Charlie, how you doing.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I'm doing wonderful. How you guys doing good?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Coach, good to hear from you doing great. I want
to get it. I was gonna say, I want to
get into something.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I just mentioned your Twitter handle because you put out something.
Let me jump in the dolore in and go back
in time a little bit here, Charlie and Ephraim, you
put out something here, coach. Let me say this before
Senior Bowl week starts. I have watched every snap app
of Jackson Dark for the last three years plus have
seen his leadership and approach off the field. By next Monday,
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he will be considered a first round pick. It's easy
to wait to make that call, not necessary.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
You saw it early, you were a profit on this.
What did you see there?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And obviously playing old miss your son is a part
of that team there, that staff. What made you jump
out and say that so early and really jump the
gun and be ahead of a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Well, my son isn't just part of the staff. He's
the offensive coordinator and a quarterback coach. And I watched
him for three years. I watched this kid from the
day he got there so the day he left.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
And you know, I.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Think I have a clue when it comes to quarterbacks
in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
I think I have a clue.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I mean, there's a lot of people who know more
than me, but I think I understand what it takes.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And I watched this kid on and off the field.
I'm not trying to act like I had any really
insight other than my first conversation with him. My first
conversation with him, I'm sitting in the summertime his first
year when he transferred from the USC. I'm sitting in
the back of the quarterback where I'm just watching. At
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the end he comes up to me and says, can
I have a couple of minutes with you? And I said, yeah, sure.
He goes, what's the difference between a good quarterback and
a great quarterback in the NFL? I said, look at
I'm not going to leave. I'll leave the football stuff
to Lane and Charlie. I'll let them talk about that.
But I'll tell you what I witnessed from watching a
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young young guy by name of Tommy Brady and watching
how he handled it from being a four team quarterback
to a second team quarterback, to a starting quarterback to
a legendary quarterback. And I'll just tell you what I
observed him do, not what I told him to do,
what I observed him do, and apparently everything that everything
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that you know in that conversation we had, he did it,
Ole Miss, and he's doing it again with the Giants.
I mean I was up there last week. I spent
the week with the Giants, you know, inside the building.
I'm not talking about watching. I was inside meeting rooms.
I was in the offensive meetings. I was in the
quarterback meetings. And it's the same stuff all over again.
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And I think that the kid has a legitimate chance
of being the guy for the New York Giants a
legitimate chance.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Okay, So with that coach from salam here, with that,
my question to you is.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
By the way, afriend, you were a really good player.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I thank you people.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
So people who are listening right now that don't realize
you're a good player, you are really good player.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Okay, we'll take it from there. I appreciate that coach.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
It's always good when you get the other coaches, you know,
let you know, because they watch, they know everything.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
My uh, my question to you is uh saying that
about Jackson Dart and and what's going on? Do you
see when do you see him really taking over the
helm uh from Russell Wilson. And I'm gonna put you
on the spot right right right now, but just you've
been in the building, So what do you see and
when do you see him being able to step into
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that that lead position at starting quarterback for the Giants.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Okay, I'm gonna give you two answers to that.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
The first answer, if you're if you're with the Giants,
you want Russell Wilson to play great fat. I mean
he's going to start up the year you wanted to
play great. You know, you want to go from an
also ran to a playoff caliber team in one year
to your defense is loaded, okay, and the biggest down
trod down, trodden things on the offense where the opfensive
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line and the quarterback play. So let me if they
improve the offensive line in the quarterback play and the
defense plays as a top five type of defense, you
know you've got a chance to be a playoff caliber team.
So from the Giants perspective, and for any fan of
the Giants, you want Russell Wilson to do well. Now
I'm obviously a Jackson Dart homer, okay, but that doesn't
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mean that I'm rooting for Jackson Dark to replace Russell
Wilson until it's time. But let's be practical. Okay, Now,
let's be practical. You look at their schedule. I mean,
the first half of their schedule is brutal.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Think about it.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
You go on the road against Washington, you go on
a road against Dallas, then you come home against Kansas
City and and and the Chargers. I mean, now, let
me ask you.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
If I asked you.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
On the road against Washington, who's the favorite Commanders?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Commanders?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yes, who's the favorite on the road against Dallas Dallas. Okay,
they're coming home against the Chiefs. Okay, now, I'm already
giving you the first spot where this this could happen.
So if you start off the year, I mean, you
had a crummy year last year. If you start off
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the year zho and three, and you got this guy
that the fans now are begging for him to be
in there you you you can hear it.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Now, right yeah, yoing three boo. We would we would do.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I mean you could see that as the first point
I go from the Giant perspective, they hope that they're
not playing them at all, or to playing them towards
the end of the year. But realistically, there are certain
spots in the year that makes sense. As early as
Game four, could be as late as Game fourteen, I mean,
so it could be somewhere along along somewhere along those lines.
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So you know, you have to look at it from
both aspects. The aspect of okay, what would the Giants
really want? As much as I love Jackson Dark, the
Giants fans and the Giants organization should be root for
Russell Wilson to still have some juice left that's.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
What they should be rooting for.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Absolutely, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
So, I mean it's a catch twenty two. You know,
you know, I obviously I'm rooting for Jackson, but I
also because my affinity. I grew up a Giant fan.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
I coach for the Giants.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Davill was a was a low level assistant under me
with when I was in New England. I mean, obviously
I'm rooting for the rooting for them to do well. Okay,
so I have to give you two answers, not one.
I apologize for being evasive, but I'm also here.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I get you. It made a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Charlie Wise, Senor, our guest four time Super Bowl champion coach.
We're talking about Jackson Dart. I want to stay with quarterbacks,
so it'd switch a little bit. I want to go
to the number one pick. A couple of years back,
Heisman winner and Caleb Williams's to me. I was saying
the other day, Coach that depending on how it's one
of those confirmation biased things. However you viewed Caleb Williams
was exactly how you can still view him coming out
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of that rookie campaign, Meaning if you were optimistic about
him you thought he was great. You said, look, he
was doing this with bad coaching. He guys are outed.
You know that it wasn't the greatest team. Look what
he's gonna do now? Or you could say I expected more.
I thought, you know, and I wanted more from him.
What are hes supposed to be? Where do you come
out on Kayla Williams, And now with Ben Johnson, what
are your expectations?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Well, look at Caleb his junior year, look at him
as senior year. I mean, his junior year, he was
a Husband Trophy guy. His senior year he's just ducking
for cover. I mean, so now I get to Chicago,
which was a fire drill as we all know. Now,
I don't know Ben Johnson personally, but I do know
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he's got a great reputation on offense. So he's got
to forget about the oppositive coordinator, forget about everybody else.
Just realize that when Ben Johnson got hired from the
by the Bearers, why did he get hired to make
sure he got the quarterback fixed. Okay, so if there's
one player out of the entire team, if there's one
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player that you could you could expect a meteoric rise.
It should be Caleb. And you know I remember Caleb
from when he was thinking about transferring. You know, hey,
his final two schools were USC and Old Miss, And
my kid was that Old Miss. So I mean, I
go all the way back there. One of the reasons
why Jackson Dart went from UC to Ole Miss was
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cold Caleb went to USC. So you know, I know
from back then. But I have a lot of confidence
in Ben Johnson and his coaching ability. I have a
lot of confidence in Caleb's ability, and I think that
put the two of them together and you got a
chance of having a legitimate positive, you know, positive result.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well, we're looking forward to see what actually happens. Sends
me some some good football. That NFC North is gonna
be a tough division.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That is. Coach. We appreciate your time. Thank you so much.
Appreciate your coach.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
You got it, take care of have a good one
all right now.
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Kelvin Washington, Efram Salam who's in for Rob Parker. On
this worship Wednesday, we got Dan Rafael, longtime boxing reporter
Fight Freaks Unite on Substack.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Dan Rafael one on asks Dan, what's up? How you doing? Man?
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Hey, guys, I would blin. I think we got a
lot to talk about, don't we?
Speaker 9 (11:13):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yes we do.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
If we want to talk to you about so Shador Sanders, Yeah, yeah,
we uh about twelve hours ago? Maybe you know some
quiet things. Obviously you got Canelo and uh Bud coming
up as well. But man, boom, we get dropped with
this one. You got Jake Paul and Tank Davis getting
ready to fight in November, So let's just start right there.
(11:35):
It's an exhibition, but Vegas I believe, has it at
uh minus one eighty for Tank.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Is this going to be a real fight? Is this
gonna be a money grab?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
What?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
What are we What are we getting here?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Well, some things can be true at the same time. Yeah,
it's absolutely one hundred thousand percent of money grab. But
you know, these two guys supposedly are gonna come to fight.
Uh it's an exhibition technically, but that doesn't mean that
they're It just won't go on their official records, and
so I guess they'll be in there trying to win,
you know, quote unquote win. I guess they'll be judges
if it does go the route ten rounds. I'm still
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not sure, and it's not been described by the people
who are putting us on as what the weight parameters
will be. Because one of the reasons why weight classes
exist is for a reason because you know, there's such
a disparity between you two two guys. It's one thing
for a future Hall of Famer by Terrence Crawford, a seasoned,
veteran professional four division world champion, to move up two
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weight classes and take on at Canelo Alvarez, who's also
a four division world champion of future Hall of Famer.
From a skill level perspective, they're very similar accomplishments and
all that. The weight's obviously difference. This is totally different
ballgame here. You have Tank Davis, you know, a top
level professional who's the one of the champions in the
lightweight division, weighed one hundred and thirty five pounds, going
to take on Jake Paul, who is not nearly that
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level experience or or skill level, but he's a two
hundred pounds man. When he fought Mike Tyson last all,
he bulked all the way up to two hundred twenty seven.
So if you take them at their normal fighting weight,
two hundred for Jake Paul, one thirty five for Tank Davis,
you're talking about sixty five pounds. I mean, even a
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guy who's sixty five pounds lest with some skill, and
Jake does have some skill, may not be at the
level of a Tank Davis or a you know, a
pound for pound elite, but that that could be a
problem for Tank Davis not to mention by the way,
Tank is like five foot five stands then on a
phone book right right. Jake Paul is about, you know,
is about six feet tall. It's a it's a much
different viewpoint in terms of the height of these two guys. Also,
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so Jake has all the physical attributes. And even though
Tank's a great puncher at one hundred and thirty five,
I mean, you know, Jake Paul's got a really good
right hand when he punches, and trust me, if he
lands that on a thirty five pounder, it so it's
going to you know, whatever he ends up playing for
the fight, it's going to be a problem.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Let me ask you this is this fight good or
bad for boxing? We had a debate in an argument
earlier about what this means for the state of boxing.
In your opinion, Dan, is this good or bad for boxing?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
I mean, I don't think it's good or bad because
it's a one night stand. That's how I look at it.
It's disappointing from We'll put it like this. On the
one hand, it's disappointing. I mean, I know what Jake's
been doing. And I've never been a Jake Paul hater
or a guy that like, you know, gave him a
Greek about. I totally get what he's doing. You know,
he wants to try to build himself up as a boxer,
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but you get these types of opportunities where you can
put on an event that's such a huge deal and
you know, make you know, crazy amounts of money. I mean,
who could blame him in terms of tank What disappoints
me and I'm not mad at the fight itself, but
what irritates me is that he comes off a fight
that took place back in March where he got a
gift from God to get away with a draw against
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Lamont Roach in a fight that he either should have
lost the decision in or should have been disqualified because
of the antics that surrounded the knockdown that occurred that
wasn't called a knockdown, and he invoked his contractual right
to our rematch. He was like the so called A side,
he had the right to rematch in the event of
a loss for a draw. He exercised that right to
the rematch and I feel like he's going back on
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his word to Lamont Roach. And he's taking a money
grab against Jake Paul in an exhibition before he goes
and cleans up the mess against the guy that he left,
you know and hanging at the altar for the last
several months. So if that was out of the way,
if he had got the clean win, or that was
not an issue he didn't exercise the rematch, you know whatever,
I would be a little more understanding from the Tank
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side of this particular fight. He is, Dan answer the
question though it's good and dad, but in the end,
boxing is boxing. You know, you can't kill it and
then we'll never die.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Dan Rafael our guest here, longtime boxing reporter, Fight Freaks,
you unite on substack. Let's go to actual boxing, not
entertainment as he was referring to earlier. When we have
Canelo and Terence but Crawford September thirteenth, that's going to
be the one a lot of people are watching. Earlier,
I describe it as that's the Phantom Rose Royce and
the Jake Paul and Tank Davis is more like the
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CHRISTI or three hundred.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Let's let's with this with this fight.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
How how can it be the thing that the CPR
to the fight game. Can it be the thing that
brings it back to life. Maybe we get at least
two out of it, Maybe we get a trilogy out
of it. Can this be what boxing needed to kind
of give it life again.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
I mean, I don't know about that. I don't know
if I'm gonna ever think about this fight in terms
of a trilogy or even a rematch for that matter.
But it's it is two as I mentioned earlier, two
you know, all time great fighters, two Hall of Fame
level guys, two pounds for pound caliber fighters, uh going
up against each other. It's really about Terence Crawford, who
sort of willed this fight into being, had his eye
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on Canelo. Really didn't see a big money fighter, a
big name for himself in the well nothing left formerly
at welter where he became the undisputed champion. He did
have the one fight at Jummerman Away where he won
a titles and even though that's a very talented weight class,
there wasn't that big star name. And Crawford is understandably
and he knows this. Everybody knows the same with Canelo.
You know, they're in the twilights of their career. They're
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near the end, and so they're making a big event
out of it. So I can't say it's gonna, you know,
bring the boxing game back to life. It's really you know,
it has a lot of problems in the United States
and anyway. It's very healthy in other parts of the world.
But the saving grace both between this fight between Canelo
and Crawford as well as the Jake Paul and Tank
Davis event, is that at least if you have mild
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interest or huge interest for that matter, it's not going
to cost you crazy amounts of money to buy a
pay per view, Like you know, the prices of pay
per view have gone up so dramatically now it's normal
to be like eighty bucks. It wouldn't have surprised me
if they had a Canelo Crawford caliber find if they
charge one hundred bucks for it, like did did years
ago for packing out against Mayweather. So the good thing
is that those two events are both on Netflix, and
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if you just subscribe, like you know, hundreds of millions
of people around the world do, it's just part of
your subscription. The same way you're watching whatever movie you're interested,
or whatever original series you're interested, or whatever documentary. It
just part of the package. So that's a that's a
good thing. So if let's say Tank and Paul turns
out to be an absolute train wreck, and at least
you don't walk away from your screen all annoyed because
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it just cost you eighty bucks.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Ah, that's true. That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Let me ask you this as we as you mentioned
Canelo and Crawford in the twilight of their careers, what's next?
Who's the up and coming uh and any weight class
in boxing to kind of usher this thing into into
the new era of boxing? Is there anyone we should
be looking out for and anyone we should be paying
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attention to really you know, put the mantle of boxing
on their shoulder.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Well, there are certainly a number of uh, you know,
top level contenders and other title holders who are not
in the twilight of their career who could be concerned
like in the primes of their career or making good fights.
I'm just off the top. I had to think about
like a light heavyweight named David benavidis he's got a
good fight coming up in November defending one of his
belts in Saudi Arabia. But on the zone here in
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the United States against Antony Yard. He got the outstanding
Shakor Stevenson, who has one of the titles at lightweight,
that's looking to fight that the big names coming off
a really spectacular performance just a few weeks ago. And
so from that standpoint, there are those young guys we
just saw and if you want somebody even younger that's
really on the rise, like almost meteorically. Just this past Saturday,
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you have a heavyweight from England named Moses Tama, who's
twenty years old, who is a south paw with tremendous
punching power, who took a big step up in his
competition level. He's only twelve and ozer going into the fight,
only twenty five rounds as a professional, and he took
on a very battle tested former title challenger, longtime contender
and Dyllian White who was much older, and everybody figured
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he's gonna win the fight, but he just did him
in one round. I mean, it was just a devastation.
So keep your keep your thought process. When you hear
about like an upcoming fighter, upcoming heavyweight about Moses Tama,
they're talking about maybe even possibly in his next fight,
perhaps to fight after of matching him with Alexander Usak,
who is the undisputed heavyweight champion. He is a really
superb prospect. A lot of people, I don't think this
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is fair, but a lot of people talk about him
in the same bean as they talked about like the
twenty twenty one year old Mike Tyson. So definitely you
got to keep an eye on all.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I'd saying a whole lot right there, twenty twenty one
year old Tyson. All right, Dad, we appreciate your time
as always. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Brother.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Okay, guys, my pleasure.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Thanks man.
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Speaker 1 (20:28):
Von Miller had some interesting things to say about some
of the all time great quarterbacks, and a lot of
people think Tom Brady TB twelve is the greatest of
all time, the goat.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Von Miller has something to say about that.
Speaker 9 (20:39):
You know, So there's gonna be a debate between Peyton
Manning and Tom Brady who's the best? You know, For me,
it'll always be Peyton Manning. He changed the quarterback position
from Chickie, chicky.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
You know this more than me. You can quarterback from Cheke.
Check you change the.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Play, Come on, check the play. Change the play again,
go over top. He wasn't scrambling and doing all of
that stuff. He did it all with his arm and
it was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Man. And people say that guys.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
Are humble, but like he's so humble. He knew every
single guy in the facility where it's the janitors, all
the coaches. He had a personal relationship with everybody. He
was the first person and truly the first person in
the building.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Whenever you pulled up. You see his music because he
drove for Buick, because he had the Muick deal.
Speaker 9 (21:13):
I had a fundraiser event from Bum's vision. He was there. Man,
he was. He was all about his guys, all about
his teammates.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
And ringing endorsement for Peyton Manning there. You may be
shocked to hear what, Well, that's why I'm gonna let
you go first. I'm I'm gonna throw it over to you.
You played in the league. You were according to Charlie Weiss,
uh see he said you were good. No, I was
good enough. I had a good career. It was fun.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
You know, for someone who came to football as late
as I did, I end up, you know, having fun
and playing in the league a long time alone, double
digit years, long time, one hundred.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And fifty nine games and fifty six games something like that.
You won, seriously, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
You got to It's one thing to get there's another
thing to play a handful of is you played fourteen
to fifteen however many years.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
That's remarkable.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
So that being said, this is my take, and I've
always had this take because I was a part of
the era where this was happening. Uh huh, Vaughan isn't
off right, This isn't crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I don't. I don't think that.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
And this is why I say that. I was an
offensive lineman offensive side of the ball. They're both quarterbacks
offensive sides of the ball. I've played against Tom Brady
a bunch, played against Peyton Manning more than I would
have wanted to. Peyton Manning and whatever team he was
the Colts. When we played against Peyton, that is the
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only time the defensive coordinator came into the offensive install
room and told us what we needed to do to
help them stop pay Hayden. No other quarterback garnered that
level of specialty. No other quarterback could make you guess
(23:13):
wrong every single play. And I played against him a bunch.
I've been in the division with him. And Vaughn is
right when he says he changed the quarterback position because
he was the one calling the plays and checking out
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of things, and you thought you had him the defense
would do this, and he wouldn't make you check out
of something into what he wanted you to check into
and then exploit that. And So, for my money, and
I know the accolades didn't follow like it did with
Tom Brady. And I'm not taking anything from Tom Brady, okay,
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but for my money, Tom Peyton Manning was a more
feared quarterback than Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I'll say it like that.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I like the way you put that, because at the end,
I think Tom Brady was more feared winner, meaning somehow
he's gonna find a way to win this. But actual
quarterback position in and of itself is different today because
of Tom Brady. Peyton A few examples of this. So
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first and let me say this, this is why me
and Rob Parker getting arguments about this phrase. I'm gonna
say I think me and you even argued about this before,
because it's hard to have these conversations to me without
having the greatest and also the best. Sometimes they are
the one of the same, sometimes they're not to me,
and sometimes you can be the better quarterback Peyton Manning,
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but the greater quarterback is Tom Brady. And some of
that is brother where you land, because there's a person
right now who if he was sitting here, he probably
y'all want to throw my name. And if we're talking
about pure just simple talent throwing the ball, Dan Marino.
But because he wasn't in a situation to win enough
to have the titles, then you kind of just go,
excuse me, Dan, get out the way. But if you're
just talking about pure talent, Dan Marino would probably say, hey,
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don't forget your boy. Right, there's a handful of other people.
Steve Young might say, hey, don't forget your boy if
you're talking just talent. But Tom Brady wasn't that with Peyton.
He didn't come in with that. Peyton came in with
that expectation you're supposed to be the guy, and after
year or so year and a half he became the
guy pretty much until his neck was broken and the
last year so with football. So Peyton manning to me
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is when I close my eyes and I think of
just quarterback position and I'm drawing it up, who's throwing,
it's him. But because we judge quarterbacks by what wins. More,
we don't judge offensive linemen by wins. We don't drugg safeties, linebackers.
Quarterbacks are the only position in football that plays outside
of coaches that we judge on the wins. And this
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is where Tom Brady finding the way to win, the
will to win, the comebacks twenty eight to three, and
he just has the greater story, the greater arc, And
that's to me why he's the greatest quarterback of all time.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I've lost to Tom Brady up by thirteen with two
and a half minutes left in the game, and we
had the ball, like seriahs.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
You got detail. How did this happen?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
It's out of control, man, I don't mean that, and
that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So it's crazy you feared, Peyton. The duration of the
game right zero to sixty minutes.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
The first time the Houston Texans beat the Indianapolis Colts,
I was a part of that for the first time
and our game plan. And this is what I mean
by they came in and told us what we needed
to do. We were just gonna run the ball. Roun
Day had one hundred and thirty five yards rushing a
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couple touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
It was third and nine. We're handing the ball off.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
So he put the onus on the offensive line quick
passes because they had Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis and
they love to get you behind, and so they put
the onus on us and we just ate up time.
We won the time of possession. And Chris Brown the kicker,
(27:16):
not the singer. I mean he soundented, he can play basketball.
Didn't know he played for christ with the k not
a c kick a fifty five yard field goal at
the end of the game on Christmas Eve and the
announcer was like, it's a Christmas miracle. I think that
was in two thousand and seven. And so just being
a part of those level of games and game planning
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and preparing for Peyton it for my money, he was
the most feared quarterback at that time.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Also a couple other things you're talking about Peyton. Tom
Brady is still I still believe he's the go the
greatest when you encompass everything. But he didn't necessarily revolutionize
the game. No, No, he didn't revolutionized Allah Shack. Nobody's
saying Shack's the best ever. But sometimes you talking about
the most dominant ever. You have to give him credit
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because they stopped. You can't do this. We had to
change the rim, put the stanchion up because he's bringing
down rims. You had to have an extra one in
the arena, another rim in the arena in case he
breaks one. Like that's crazy. Peyton was doing that, revolutionizing
the game the way you mentioned, the way he was
calling things at the line, the way he was changing
in audible. Also, Daggett John Madden football had to add
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the quarterback vision, and he was the only one whose.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Vision was the entire field.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
If you remember that, that's probably like the O four
to five ish era or something like that. He would
be the entire field. Everybody else will be a slipper
or whatever they were. You know, like if you had
Anthony richardson right now, it would be like, uh, it'd
be yeah, it'd be like a strip of bacon.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
No, he was a dominant, dominant quarterback and in a
very scary player to give the ball to. Sure, he
just made you guess wrong. Man, I've seen an offensive
lineman get beat at the snap of the ball and
before he can even get the ball is gone to
someone wide open.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And I'm like, how, So I want to throw some
numbers out here. Those guys kind of how they went
up against each other, all right, So in terms I
had to have matchups. This is Brady all day. Brady's
teams posted an eleven and six record against Manning's teams. Manny, however,
was three and one against Brady in AFC Championship games.
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Now he won both of those AFC titles. Matt at
games when he was with the Broncos and Miller played
von Miller of course played a role because listen to
his game, he had to get them there. In twenty fifteen,
the man had two and a half sacks in the interception,
five tackles, two for a loss in a pass breakup
in four quarterback hits.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, that'll do it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, that's why he's gonna get a jacket to go
jacket at some point here. So that's interesting. So I
want to open it up. Let's open it up. Eight
seven seven ninety nine on Fox. I believe there are
a handful of people that you could say maybe play
the position better than Tom Brady, and I'm okay with that.
If you said Joe Montana played the position, and I
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argua believe if you said he's the goat, there's like
two or three.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
If you said John Elway was just a better natural
talent than Tom Brady, especially because he could run to
not mad at that. Peyton Manning is in that category
for me as well, and Aaron Rodgers just pure quarterbacking talent.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
They were better at that. I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
But I still believe Tom Brady is the golt goat
when you encompass it all. So that's for me, he
is still the goat despite everything we mentioned, because the
will to win, the finding ways to win comebacks that
didn't make sense seven freaking rings. I mean, he's just
the standard in that regard. But just quarterbacking, I do
believe there are a handful of guys who are better
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at the position but not the greatest.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
We are joined now by Charlie Weis, senior, four time
Super Bowl champion coach. You already know that, and of
course Charlie White, senior on socials.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Charlie, how you doing.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I'm doing wonderful. How you guys doing good?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Coach, good to hear from you doing great. I want
to get it. I was gonna say, I want to
get into something.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I just mentioned your Twitter handle because you put out something.
Let me jump in the dolore in and go back
in time a little bit here, Charlie and Ephraim, you
put out something here, coach. Let me say this before
Senior Bowl week starts. I have watched every snap app
of Jackson Dark for the last three years plus have
seen his leadership and approach off the field. By next Monday,
(01:05):
he will be considered a first round pick. It's easy
to wait to make that call, not necessary.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
You saw it early, you were a profit on this.
What did you see there?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And obviously playing old miss your son is a part
of that team there, that staff. What made you jump
out and say that so early and really jump the
gun and be ahead of a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Well, my son isn't just part of the staff. He's
the offensive coordinator and a quarterback coach. And I watched
him for three years. I watched this kid from the
day he got there so the day he left.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
And you know, I.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Think I have a clue when it comes to quarterbacks
in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
I think I have a clue.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I mean, there's a lot of people who know more
than me, but I think I understand what it takes.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And I watched this kid on and off the field.
I'm not trying to act like I had any really
insight other than my first conversation with him. My first
conversation with him, I'm sitting in the summertime his first
year when he transferred from the USC. I'm sitting in
the back of the quarterback where I'm just watching. At
(02:16):
the end he comes up to me and says, can
I have a couple of minutes with you? And I said, yeah, sure.
He goes, what's the difference between a good quarterback and
a great quarterback in the NFL? I said, look at
I'm not going to leave. I'll leave the football stuff
to Lane and Charlie. I'll let them talk about that.
But I'll tell you what I witnessed from watching a
(02:39):
young young guy by name of Tommy Brady and watching
how he handled it from being a four team quarterback
to a second team quarterback, to a starting quarterback to
a legendary quarterback. And I'll just tell you what I
observed him do, not what I told him to do,
what I observed him do, and apparently everything that everything
(03:05):
that you know in that conversation we had, he did it,
Ole Miss, and he's doing it again with the Giants.
I mean I was up there last week. I spent
the week with the Giants, you know, inside the building.
I'm not talking about watching. I was inside meeting rooms.
I was in the offensive meetings. I was in the
quarterback meetings. And it's the same stuff all over again.
(03:28):
And I think that the kid has a legitimate chance
of being the guy for the New York Giants a
legitimate chance.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Okay, So with that coach from salam here, with that,
my question to you is.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
By the way, afriend, you were a really good player.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I thank you people.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
So people who are listening right now that don't realize
you're a good player, you are really good player.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Okay, we'll take it from there. I appreciate that coach.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
It's always good when you get the other coaches, you know,
let you know, because they watch, they know everything.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
My uh, my question to you is uh saying that
about Jackson Dart and and what's going on? Do you
see when do you see him really taking over the
helm uh from Russell Wilson. And I'm gonna put you
on the spot right right right now, but just you've
been in the building, So what do you see and
when do you see him being able to step into
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that that lead position at starting quarterback for the Giants.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Okay, I'm gonna give you two answers to that.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
The first answer, if you're if you're with the Giants,
you want Russell Wilson to play great fat. I mean
he's going to start up the year you wanted to
play great. You know, you want to go from an
also ran to a playoff caliber team in one year
to your defense is loaded, okay, and the biggest down
trod down, trodden things on the offense where the opfensive
(04:56):
line and the quarterback play. So let me if they
improve the offensive line in the quarterback play and the
defense plays as a top five type of defense, you
know you've got a chance to be a playoff caliber team.
So from the Giants perspective, and for any fan of
the Giants, you want Russell Wilson to do well. Now
I'm obviously a Jackson Dart homer, okay, but that doesn't
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mean that I'm rooting for Jackson Dark to replace Russell
Wilson until it's time. But let's be practical. Okay, Now,
let's be practical. You look at their schedule. I mean,
the first half of their schedule is brutal.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Think about it.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
You go on the road against Washington, you go on
a road against Dallas, then you come home against Kansas
City and and and the Chargers. I mean, now, let
me ask you.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
If I asked you.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
On the road against Washington, who's the favorite Commanders?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Commanders?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yes, who's the favorite on the road against Dallas Dallas. Okay,
they're coming home against the Chiefs. Okay, now, I'm already
giving you the first spot where this this could happen.
So if you start off the year, I mean, you
had a crummy year last year. If you start off
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the year zho and three, and you got this guy
that the fans now are begging for him to be
in there you you you can hear it.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Now, right yeah, yoing three boo. We would we would do.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I mean you could see that as the first point
I go from the Giant perspective, they hope that they're
not playing them at all, or to playing them towards
the end of the year. But realistically, there are certain
spots in the year that makes sense. As early as
Game four, could be as late as Game fourteen, I mean,
so it could be somewhere along along somewhere along those lines.
(06:54):
So you know, you have to look at it from
both aspects. The aspect of okay, what would the Giants
really want? As much as I love Jackson Dark, the
Giants fans and the Giants organization should be root for
Russell Wilson to still have some juice left that's.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
What they should be rooting for.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Absolutely, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
So, I mean it's a catch twenty two. You know,
you know, I obviously I'm rooting for Jackson, but I
also because my affinity. I grew up a Giant fan.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
I coach for the Giants.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Davill was a was a low level assistant under me
with when I was in New England. I mean, obviously
I'm rooting for the rooting for them to do well. Okay,
so I have to give you two answers, not one.
I apologize for being evasive, but I'm also here.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I get you. It made a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Charlie Wise, Senor, our guest four time Super Bowl champion coach.
We're talking about Jackson Dart. I want to stay with quarterbacks,
so it'd switch a little bit. I want to go
to the number one pick. A couple of years back,
Heisman winner and Caleb Williams's to me. I was saying
the other day, Coach that depending on how it's one
of those confirmation biased things. However you viewed Caleb Williams
was exactly how you can still view him coming out
(08:05):
of that rookie campaign, Meaning if you were optimistic about
him you thought he was great. You said, look, he
was doing this with bad coaching. He guys are outed.
You know that it wasn't the greatest team. Look what
he's gonna do now? Or you could say I expected more.
I thought, you know, and I wanted more from him.
What are hes supposed to be? Where do you come
out on Kayla Williams, And now with Ben Johnson, what
are your expectations?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Well, look at Caleb his junior year, look at him
as senior year. I mean, his junior year, he was
a Husband Trophy guy. His senior year he's just ducking
for cover. I mean, so now I get to Chicago,
which was a fire drill as we all know. Now,
I don't know Ben Johnson personally, but I do know
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he's got a great reputation on offense. So he's got
to forget about the oppositive coordinator, forget about everybody else.
Just realize that when Ben Johnson got hired from the
by the Bearers, why did he get hired to make
sure he got the quarterback fixed. Okay, so if there's
one player out of the entire team, if there's one
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player that you could you could expect a meteoric rise.
It should be Caleb. And you know I remember Caleb
from when he was thinking about transferring. You know, hey,
his final two schools were USC and Old Miss, And
my kid was that Old Miss. So I mean, I
go all the way back there. One of the reasons
why Jackson Dart went from UC to Ole Miss was
(09:32):
cold Caleb went to USC. So you know, I know
from back then. But I have a lot of confidence
in Ben Johnson and his coaching ability. I have a
lot of confidence in Caleb's ability, and I think that
put the two of them together and you got a
chance of having a legitimate positive, you know, positive result.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well, we're looking forward to see what actually happens. Sends
me some some good football. That NFC North is gonna
be a tough division.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That is. Coach. We appreciate your time. Thank you so much.
Appreciate your coach.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
You got it, take care of have a good one
all right now.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
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Speaker 1 (10:55):
Kelvin Washington, Efram Salam who's in for Rob Parker. On
this worship Wednesday, we got Dan Rafael, longtime boxing reporter
Fight Freaks Unite on Substack.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Dan Rafael one on asks Dan, what's up? How you doing? Man?
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Hey, guys, I would blin. I think we got a
lot to talk about, don't we?
Speaker 9 (11:13):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yes we do.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
If we want to talk to you about so Shador Sanders, Yeah, yeah,
we uh about twelve hours ago? Maybe you know some
quiet things. Obviously you got Canelo and uh Bud coming
up as well. But man, boom, we get dropped with
this one. You got Jake Paul and Tank Davis getting
ready to fight in November, So let's just start right there.
(11:35):
It's an exhibition, but Vegas I believe, has it at
uh minus one eighty for Tank.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Is this going to be a real fight? Is this
gonna be a money grab?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
What?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
What are we What are we getting here?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Well, some things can be true at the same time. Yeah,
it's absolutely one hundred thousand percent of money grab. But
you know, these two guys supposedly are gonna come to fight.
Uh it's an exhibition technically, but that doesn't mean that
they're It just won't go on their official records, and
so I guess they'll be in there trying to win,
you know, quote unquote win. I guess they'll be judges
if it does go the route ten rounds. I'm still
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not sure, and it's not been described by the people
who are putting us on as what the weight parameters
will be. Because one of the reasons why weight classes
exist is for a reason because you know, there's such
a disparity between you two two guys. It's one thing
for a future Hall of Famer by Terrence Crawford, a seasoned,
veteran professional four division world champion, to move up two
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weight classes and take on at Canelo Alvarez, who's also
a four division world champion of future Hall of Famer.
From a skill level perspective, they're very similar accomplishments and
all that. The weight's obviously difference. This is totally different
ballgame here. You have Tank Davis, you know, a top
level professional who's the one of the champions in the
lightweight division, weighed one hundred and thirty five pounds, going
to take on Jake Paul, who is not nearly that
(12:51):
level experience or or skill level, but he's a two
hundred pounds man. When he fought Mike Tyson last all,
he bulked all the way up to two hundred twenty seven.
So if you take them at their normal fighting weight,
two hundred for Jake Paul, one thirty five for Tank Davis,
you're talking about sixty five pounds. I mean, even a
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guy who's sixty five pounds lest with some skill, and
Jake does have some skill, may not be at the
level of a Tank Davis or a you know, a
pound for pound elite, but that that could be a
problem for Tank Davis not to mention by the way,
Tank is like five foot five stands then on a
phone book right right. Jake Paul is about, you know,
is about six feet tall. It's a it's a much
different viewpoint in terms of the height of these two guys. Also,
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so Jake has all the physical attributes. And even though
Tank's a great puncher at one hundred and thirty five,
I mean, you know, Jake Paul's got a really good
right hand when he punches, and trust me, if he
lands that on a thirty five pounder, it so it's
going to you know, whatever he ends up playing for
the fight, it's going to be a problem.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Let me ask you this is this fight good or
bad for boxing? We had a debate in an argument
earlier about what this means for the state of boxing.
In your opinion, Dan, is this good or bad for boxing?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
I mean, I don't think it's good or bad because
it's a one night stand. That's how I look at it.
It's disappointing from We'll put it like this. On the
one hand, it's disappointing. I mean, I know what Jake's
been doing. And I've never been a Jake Paul hater
or a guy that like, you know, gave him a
Greek about. I totally get what he's doing. You know,
he wants to try to build himself up as a boxer,
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but you get these types of opportunities where you can
put on an event that's such a huge deal and
you know, make you know, crazy amounts of money. I mean,
who could blame him in terms of tank What disappoints
me and I'm not mad at the fight itself, but
what irritates me is that he comes off a fight
that took place back in March where he got a
gift from God to get away with a draw against
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Lamont Roach in a fight that he either should have
lost the decision in or should have been disqualified because
of the antics that surrounded the knockdown that occurred that
wasn't called a knockdown, and he invoked his contractual right
to our rematch. He was like the so called A side,
he had the right to rematch in the event of
a loss for a draw. He exercised that right to
the rematch and I feel like he's going back on
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his word to Lamont Roach. And he's taking a money
grab against Jake Paul in an exhibition before he goes
and cleans up the mess against the guy that he left,
you know and hanging at the altar for the last
several months. So if that was out of the way,
if he had got the clean win, or that was
not an issue he didn't exercise the rematch, you know whatever,
I would be a little more understanding from the Tank
(15:29):
side of this particular fight. He is, Dan answer the
question though it's good and dad, but in the end,
boxing is boxing. You know, you can't kill it and
then we'll never die.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Dan Rafael our guest here, longtime boxing reporter, Fight Freaks,
you unite on substack. Let's go to actual boxing, not
entertainment as he was referring to earlier. When we have
Canelo and Terence but Crawford September thirteenth, that's going to
be the one a lot of people are watching. Earlier,
I describe it as that's the Phantom Rose Royce and
the Jake Paul and Tank Davis is more like the
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CHRISTI or three hundred.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Let's let's with this with this fight.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
How how can it be the thing that the CPR
to the fight game. Can it be the thing that
brings it back to life. Maybe we get at least
two out of it, Maybe we get a trilogy out
of it. Can this be what boxing needed to kind
of give it life again.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
I mean, I don't know about that. I don't know
if I'm gonna ever think about this fight in terms
of a trilogy or even a rematch for that matter.
But it's it is two as I mentioned earlier, two
you know, all time great fighters, two Hall of Fame
level guys, two pounds for pound caliber fighters, uh going
up against each other. It's really about Terence Crawford, who
sort of willed this fight into being, had his eye
(16:40):
on Canelo. Really didn't see a big money fighter, a
big name for himself in the well nothing left formerly
at welter where he became the undisputed champion. He did
have the one fight at Jummerman Away where he won
a titles and even though that's a very talented weight class,
there wasn't that big star name. And Crawford is understandably
and he knows this. Everybody knows the same with Canelo.
You know, they're in the twilights of their career. They're
(17:00):
near the end, and so they're making a big event
out of it. So I can't say it's gonna, you know,
bring the boxing game back to life. It's really you know,
it has a lot of problems in the United States
and anyway. It's very healthy in other parts of the world.
But the saving grace both between this fight between Canelo
and Crawford as well as the Jake Paul and Tank
Davis event, is that at least if you have mild
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interest or huge interest for that matter, it's not going
to cost you crazy amounts of money to buy a
pay per view, Like you know, the prices of pay
per view have gone up so dramatically now it's normal
to be like eighty bucks. It wouldn't have surprised me
if they had a Canelo Crawford caliber find if they
charge one hundred bucks for it, like did did years
ago for packing out against Mayweather. So the good thing
is that those two events are both on Netflix, and
(17:44):
if you just subscribe, like you know, hundreds of millions
of people around the world do, it's just part of
your subscription. The same way you're watching whatever movie you're interested,
or whatever original series you're interested, or whatever documentary. It
just part of the package. So that's a that's a
good thing. So if let's say Tank and Paul turns
out to be an absolute train wreck, and at least
you don't walk away from your screen all annoyed because
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it just cost you eighty bucks.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Ah, that's true. That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Let me ask you this as we as you mentioned
Canelo and Crawford in the twilight of their careers, what's next?
Who's the up and coming uh and any weight class
in boxing to kind of usher this thing into into
the new era of boxing? Is there anyone we should
be looking out for and anyone we should be paying
(18:29):
attention to really you know, put the mantle of boxing
on their shoulder.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Well, there are certainly a number of uh, you know,
top level contenders and other title holders who are not
in the twilight of their career who could be concerned
like in the primes of their career or making good fights.
I'm just off the top. I had to think about
like a light heavyweight named David benavidis he's got a
good fight coming up in November defending one of his
belts in Saudi Arabia. But on the zone here in
(18:55):
the United States against Antony Yard. He got the outstanding
Shakor Stevenson, who has one of the titles at lightweight,
that's looking to fight that the big names coming off
a really spectacular performance just a few weeks ago. And
so from that standpoint, there are those young guys we
just saw and if you want somebody even younger that's
really on the rise, like almost meteorically. Just this past Saturday,
(19:16):
you have a heavyweight from England named Moses Tama, who's
twenty years old, who is a south paw with tremendous
punching power, who took a big step up in his
competition level. He's only twelve and ozer going into the fight,
only twenty five rounds as a professional, and he took
on a very battle tested former title challenger, longtime contender
and Dyllian White who was much older, and everybody figured
(19:37):
he's gonna win the fight, but he just did him
in one round. I mean, it was just a devastation.
So keep your keep your thought process. When you hear
about like an upcoming fighter, upcoming heavyweight about Moses Tama,
they're talking about maybe even possibly in his next fight,
perhaps to fight after of matching him with Alexander Usak,
who is the undisputed heavyweight champion. He is a really
superb prospect. A lot of people, I don't think this
(20:00):
is fair, but a lot of people talk about him
in the same bean as they talked about like the
twenty twenty one year old Mike Tyson. So definitely you
got to keep an eye on all.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I'd saying a whole lot right there, twenty twenty one
year old Tyson. All right, Dad, we appreciate your time
as always. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Brother.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Okay, guys, my pleasure.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Thanks man.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
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Speaker 1 (20:28):
Von Miller had some interesting things to say about some
of the all time great quarterbacks, and a lot of
people think Tom Brady TB twelve is the greatest of
all time, the goat.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Von Miller has something to say about that.
Speaker 9 (20:39):
You know, So there's gonna be a debate between Peyton
Manning and Tom Brady who's the best? You know, For me,
it'll always be Peyton Manning. He changed the quarterback position
from Chickie, chicky.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
You know this more than me. You can quarterback from Cheke.
Check you change the.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Play, Come on, check the play. Change the play again,
go over top. He wasn't scrambling and doing all of
that stuff. He did it all with his arm and
it was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Man. And people say that guys.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
Are humble, but like he's so humble. He knew every
single guy in the facility where it's the janitors, all
the coaches. He had a personal relationship with everybody. He
was the first person and truly the first person in
the building.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Whenever you pulled up. You see his music because he
drove for Buick, because he had the Muick deal.
Speaker 9 (21:13):
I had a fundraiser event from Bum's vision. He was there. Man,
he was. He was all about his guys, all about
his teammates.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
And ringing endorsement for Peyton Manning there. You may be
shocked to hear what, Well, that's why I'm gonna let
you go first. I'm I'm gonna throw it over to you.
You played in the league. You were according to Charlie Weiss,
uh see he said you were good. No, I was
good enough. I had a good career. It was fun.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
You know, for someone who came to football as late
as I did, I end up, you know, having fun
and playing in the league a long time alone, double
digit years, long time, one hundred.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And fifty nine games and fifty six games something like that.
You won, seriously, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
You got to It's one thing to get there's another
thing to play a handful of is you played fourteen
to fifteen however many years.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
That's remarkable.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
So that being said, this is my take, and I've
always had this take because I was a part of
the era where this was happening. Uh huh, Vaughan isn't
off right, This isn't crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I don't. I don't think that.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
And this is why I say that. I was an
offensive lineman offensive side of the ball. They're both quarterbacks
offensive sides of the ball. I've played against Tom Brady
a bunch, played against Peyton Manning more than I would
have wanted to. Peyton Manning and whatever team he was
the Colts. When we played against Peyton, that is the
(22:45):
only time the defensive coordinator came into the offensive install
room and told us what we needed to do to
help them stop pay Hayden. No other quarterback garnered that
level of specialty. No other quarterback could make you guess
(23:13):
wrong every single play. And I played against him a bunch.
I've been in the division with him. And Vaughn is
right when he says he changed the quarterback position because
he was the one calling the plays and checking out
(23:33):
of things, and you thought you had him the defense
would do this, and he wouldn't make you check out
of something into what he wanted you to check into
and then exploit that. And So, for my money, and
I know the accolades didn't follow like it did with
Tom Brady. And I'm not taking anything from Tom Brady, okay,
(23:54):
but for my money, Tom Peyton Manning was a more
feared quarterback than Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I'll say it like that.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I like the way you put that, because at the end,
I think Tom Brady was more feared winner, meaning somehow
he's gonna find a way to win this. But actual
quarterback position in and of itself is different today because
of Tom Brady. Peyton A few examples of this. So
(24:26):
first and let me say this, this is why me
and Rob Parker getting arguments about this phrase. I'm gonna
say I think me and you even argued about this before,
because it's hard to have these conversations to me without
having the greatest and also the best. Sometimes they are
the one of the same, sometimes they're not to me,
and sometimes you can be the better quarterback Peyton Manning,
(24:47):
but the greater quarterback is Tom Brady. And some of
that is brother where you land, because there's a person
right now who if he was sitting here, he probably
y'all want to throw my name. And if we're talking
about pure just simple talent throwing the ball, Dan Marino.
But because he wasn't in a situation to win enough
to have the titles, then you kind of just go,
excuse me, Dan, get out the way. But if you're
just talking about pure talent, Dan Marino would probably say, hey,
(25:09):
don't forget your boy. Right, there's a handful of other people.
Steve Young might say, hey, don't forget your boy if
you're talking just talent. But Tom Brady wasn't that with Peyton.
He didn't come in with that. Peyton came in with
that expectation you're supposed to be the guy, and after
year or so year and a half he became the
guy pretty much until his neck was broken and the
last year so with football. So Peyton manning to me
(25:32):
is when I close my eyes and I think of
just quarterback position and I'm drawing it up, who's throwing,
it's him. But because we judge quarterbacks by what wins. More,
we don't judge offensive linemen by wins. We don't drugg safeties, linebackers.
Quarterbacks are the only position in football that plays outside
of coaches that we judge on the wins. And this
(25:54):
is where Tom Brady finding the way to win, the
will to win, the comebacks twenty eight to three, and
he just has the greater story, the greater arc, And
that's to me why he's the greatest quarterback of all time.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I've lost to Tom Brady up by thirteen with two
and a half minutes left in the game, and we
had the ball, like seriahs.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
You got detail. How did this happen?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
It's out of control, man, I don't mean that, and
that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So it's crazy you feared, Peyton. The duration of the
game right zero to sixty minutes.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
The first time the Houston Texans beat the Indianapolis Colts,
I was a part of that for the first time
and our game plan. And this is what I mean
by they came in and told us what we needed
to do. We were just gonna run the ball. Roun
Day had one hundred and thirty five yards rushing a
(26:48):
couple touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
It was third and nine. We're handing the ball off.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
So he put the onus on the offensive line quick
passes because they had Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis and
they love to get you behind, and so they put
the onus on us and we just ate up time.
We won the time of possession. And Chris Brown the kicker,
(27:16):
not the singer. I mean he soundented, he can play basketball.
Didn't know he played for christ with the k not
a c kick a fifty five yard field goal at
the end of the game on Christmas Eve and the
announcer was like, it's a Christmas miracle. I think that
was in two thousand and seven. And so just being
a part of those level of games and game planning
(27:38):
and preparing for Peyton it for my money, he was
the most feared quarterback at that time.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Also a couple other things you're talking about Peyton. Tom
Brady is still I still believe he's the go the
greatest when you encompass everything. But he didn't necessarily revolutionize
the game. No, No, he didn't revolutionized Allah Shack. Nobody's
saying Shack's the best ever. But sometimes you talking about
the most dominant ever. You have to give him credit
(28:07):
because they stopped. You can't do this. We had to
change the rim, put the stanchion up because he's bringing
down rims. You had to have an extra one in
the arena, another rim in the arena in case he
breaks one. Like that's crazy. Peyton was doing that, revolutionizing
the game the way you mentioned, the way he was
calling things at the line, the way he was changing
in audible. Also, Daggett John Madden football had to add
(28:27):
the quarterback vision, and he was the only one whose.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Vision was the entire field.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
If you remember that, that's probably like the O four
to five ish era or something like that. He would
be the entire field. Everybody else will be a slipper
or whatever they were. You know, like if you had
Anthony richardson right now, it would be like, uh, it'd
be yeah, it'd be like a strip of bacon.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
No, he was a dominant, dominant quarterback and in a
very scary player to give the ball to. Sure, he
just made you guess wrong. Man, I've seen an offensive
lineman get beat at the snap of the ball and
before he can even get the ball is gone to
someone wide open.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And I'm like, how, So I want to throw some
numbers out here. Those guys kind of how they went
up against each other, all right, So in terms I
had to have matchups. This is Brady all day. Brady's
teams posted an eleven and six record against Manning's teams. Manny, however,
was three and one against Brady in AFC Championship games.
(29:28):
Now he won both of those AFC titles. Matt at
games when he was with the Broncos and Miller played
von Miller of course played a role because listen to
his game, he had to get them there. In twenty fifteen,
the man had two and a half sacks in the interception,
five tackles, two for a loss in a pass breakup
in four quarterback hits.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, that'll do it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, that's why he's gonna get a jacket to go
jacket at some point here. So that's interesting. So I
want to open it up. Let's open it up. Eight
seven seven ninety nine on Fox. I believe there are
a handful of people that you could say maybe play
the position better than Tom Brady, and I'm okay with that.
If you said Joe Montana played the position, and I
(30:10):
argua believe if you said he's the goat, there's like
two or three.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
If you said John Elway was just a better natural
talent than Tom Brady, especially because he could run to
not mad at that. Peyton Manning is in that category
for me as well, and Aaron Rodgers just pure quarterbacking talent.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
They were better at that. I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
But I still believe Tom Brady is the golt goat
when you encompass it all. So that's for me, he
is still the goat despite everything we mentioned, because the
will to win, the finding ways to win comebacks that
didn't make sense seven freaking rings. I mean, he's just
the standard in that regard. But just quarterbacking, I do
believe there are a handful of guys who are better
(30:50):
at the position but not the greatest.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
When you encopass it all,
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