August 25, 2025 • 35 mins
Former NFL offensive lineman Ephraim Salaam is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin tell us what the Kenny Pickett trade means for Shedeur Sanders’ future with the Cleveland Browns. Plus, The Athletic’s Jason Lloyd swings by to discuss the narrative that Sanders is being ‘sabotaged’ by head coach Kevin Stefanski, why the team seems more committed to developing Dillon Gabriel than Shedeur, why he was so shocked to see the Browns move on from Pickett, and much more! Later, former NFL All-Pro Marcellus Wiley checks in to tell us what he doesn’t like about Shedeur Sanders, whether we can expect the Dallas Cowboys to make a playoff run this year, how the New York Giants should handle their quarterback situation, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
So, of course, all the conversation coming out of the
weekend like it has been, has been with the Cleveland Browns,
and this time it has been a couple of different ways.
You got Dylan Gabriel and then you have, of course,
you have Joe Flacco nine to ten, get a touchdown
seventy something yards for him, looks good. But eventually the
big conversation coming out of it, of course is Shaudure
Sanders and how he looked where he did not look great,
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getting sacked five times of completed three passes and just
looked out of sorts, as did the former position you played,
by the way, the offensive line as well.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I mean, I don't even know who was out there
at that point.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I don't know if it was D Is there a
D such thing as a D six offensive line and
D two, D three it was D six because I
don't know, they had him running around out there. Now
he was holding the ball longer than you would want
to as well. Uh so you don't like that, But.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What were you saying? No, no, go go?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So the larger conversation comes out of that. To me,
Ephraim and even Steve Sefanski, we had that. Let me
hear me, Kevin, I'm sorry, Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
This is what he had. This has been the conversation
his brother. Yeah, let me get to Kevin.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Everybody had this conversation, and it's been a topic on shows,
including ours. Are they sabotaging? How are they using them?
Why DIDN'TY use him for this two minute drill? And
does he hear all of this chatter? Here's what he
had to say.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Obviously, I don't concern myself with outside type of things,
but you know, I'm committed to his development, just like
all of our rookies. So we'll continue to focus on
getting our guys better, and that's what we'll stay committed to,
and that's what's important to me.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So for me, this comes down to do something that
I look at it this way. Are they sabotaged Shaudure.
Is there a game plan out to keep him under
their thumb? And I don't think that is the goal.
I don't think they purposely set out to sabotage Shadure.
But what I do think is they have no idea
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what they're doing, and they haven't had an idea what
they're doing for thirty to forty years.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And I mean that sincerely, respectively, respectfully.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Like, look at the quarterback situations they've had nearly forty
quarterbacks and over the last twenty five years, and you
look at the decisions that they've made. Of course we
go back. Let's just go back to the Deshaun Watson one.
And I think Shadure is paying for the Deshaun Watson move,
meaning we went all in, We made a controversial move,
We gave this guy un president guaranteed money, and it backfired.
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He didn't play well. He was also injured, and there
was also a controversy that came with it, and you know,
and you took the ire of society with some people
saying what about the women involved in this? They got
all of that compounded with him now being injured and
being out, and I think Shadeur is paying for a
bit of that of we can't have any mishaps, we
can't have any mistakes, and we don't want also the
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controversy and always having to endure these conversations, and I
think Shadeur is a recipient of parts of that. But
they continue historically to make bad moves. The Browns, and
I look at this as they don't know what they're
doing with the quarterback position. So now what you do
is you bring in a guy who's forty. There have
been fifteen quarterbacks in the history of the NFL, which
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have been hundreds to potentially thousands of quarterbacks over the years,
over one hundred years of NFL, only fifteen have been
forty and started over ten games, about four of that success.
And you're looking at those because they're Hall of famers.
You got Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, and of
course Tom Brady. Joe Flacco ain't that And so I
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understand he brings some stability. I understand he knows the system.
I'm not mad at that, But to me, it's the
same conversation that Rob g Rob Parker and I had
when I'm looking at the Steelers, and you keep bringing
in guys for right now, right now, when they're not
your future. And at some point you have to turn
a page and start you progressing towards your future.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And you know this.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
There will be growing pains as you go towards your future.
There will be mistakes as you go towards your future,
but you have to do it. And to me, keep
trying to find a mandate, keep trying to put it here. Okay,
we had Joe Flacco made the postseas, Okay, we let
him go. Wait, go get him back. Wait nobody wants
can't he Pikett? But go get him now. It just
shows and reflects to me, including this should dur and
including the Dylan Gabriel, because Dylan Gabriel has been fine
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ball accounts, he's been fine in the locker room, he's
been fine on the practice field, he's been fined in
the games, and he's not even really getting the topic
of conversation when it should be. To me, we have
these two rookies that we're trying to figure out what
we're doing and maybe can he pick it? Okay, fine,
and we're trying to move forward with this. Who's gonna start,
who's gonna be the back up? And you're moving towards
your future. And to me, they come out looking more disenfranchised,
(04:57):
more clueless of how to run this organization in that
position and putting guys in positions where they don't know
what they're doing. The team doesn't know what they're doing.
Shaudor think is he getting two minute drive? Because why
wouldn't he's into the game? Go ahead and go try
to win this game.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Kid.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
They don't give it to him. They're throwing somebody Huntley
who has nothing to do with nothing. What was the
point of that? And so I just don't get. I
haven't got what they were doing in the beginning. I
believe Shador Sanders should absolutely be a part of this
roster and absolutely be a part of their moving forward.
Even if Dylan Gabriel was a starter, Shador should be
there as well. And I walk away from this even
more confused about the Brons organization, the way they drafted,
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the way they gave Deshaun Watson money and what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
That was well put.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
And let me tell you, Okay, break it down what
I believe is going on? All right, So you bring
it in, Joe Flacco because you don't have a clear
cut player that you want at number one. You're not
really mesmerized by any of the young players in this draft, right,
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So you punt on draft in the first second round
quarterback and opt for more of a developmental rookie quarterback,
which you're getting the later rounds.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Third on.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Do you know there's about six or seven kids next
year will be first round quarterback talents. You understand that
you don't expect Joe Flacco to play all seventeen games.
You don't expect Joe Flacco to win the division for
you or anything like that. But you do expect Joe
Flacco to help other young players, other young position players, receivers,
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tighty ends, running backs develop because he's not developing when
everybody's developing together as a difficult task. So you want
to build your other assets up for when you do
go into the market. I believe they have two first
round draft picks next year. When you do go into
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the market and you find the kid that you'll be
watching all college that you'll want to spend a first
round draft pick on. With the said you take Dylan
Gabriel in the third round. You know Dylan's been in
college a long time, played a lot of quarterback and
there's some talent there. You get told by ownership, Hey
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in the fifth round. Well, when the fifth round came around,
chadul was still on the board. You got to take Shader, said,
so they take him. You wouldn't normally draft two quarterbacks
in the same draft. It never works out well, but
the mandate was sent down. They did what they were
supposed to do. Now, Joe FLACCOH didn't play until the
last preseason game because you know what Joe Flaco is.
(07:36):
Wanted to get him out there, knock some of the
real rust off of him. Uh, and you wanted to
see what the other two young quarterbacks you drafted had.
You also went out and got Kenny Pickett Inde trade. Yeah,
just to be sure. You know, you don't have a quarterback.
(07:58):
And so Dylan ga Abril got hurt. Can he pick it?
Got hurt?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And so you had Joe FLACCOH. You had Shadour first.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Game, Shader starts plays, You signed Hunting Lee to back
up because no one else is left. He was never
a cog in the world, was never gonna make it.
And so Chador goes out there and plays well. That
was a great first outing in preseason. The next game,
Dylan Gabriel had an opportunity, even with a bad hamstring,
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he went out there and played.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
She had a little bit better numbers. Uh, he had
more drives. But Dylan Gabriel did Okay. Oblique injury, wow, okay,
can he get back from that?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
He does?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Final preseason game, you finally let Joe Flacco go out there,
Dylan Gabriel, who's a third round draft pick, plays with
the twos, and then you have chadur coming in with
you know, everyone else trying to make the team. Now,
the problem I'm having is if you're a fifth round
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draft pick, there are very few team captains and leaders
in the locker room in the fifth round, very few
in the third round. So until you reach that status,
you can't come in at that status. There's so much
work to be done to be respected and seeing in
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that locker room. And this is look off season stuff,
off the field stuff, the speeding tickets. Ah, it is
what it is. But you also have to realize you're
a late round draft pick. No matter what you believe
in your mind, the numbers are the numbers. You are
in the fifth round draft pick. Their fifth round draft
picks will been cut for less. All right, So now
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you get into the game, it doesn't go well for you.
Some of the same negative that people had about you,
even your fans had about you in college, are manifesting themselves.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
You hold on to the ball too long.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
There is no extending plays like that unless you have
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Kyler Murray level of athleticism.
He does not. Shudiel Sanders isn't that black quarterback? Okay,
Just so I'm just gonna be real, right right, So we'
I saw as an offensive lineman, I saw some really
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bad sacks step up into the pocket. The moment you
turn your shoulders the opposite direction, you're in trouble. Unless
you're who Lamar Jackson, You're not him. You have to
know who you are, and no three step drop. The
ball must come out or you got to get rid
of it. There is no other read. So there are
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some technical things that I saw him unable to really do.
And I don't know if it was the injury, whatever,
I know he wanted to make a play. But if
there's no play there to be made, then you got
to get out of it. Instead of third or in
second and twenty five, you gotta go second and ten
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scrambling out of scrambled. He ran out of bounds four
yards behind a line of scrimmage. That's the sack. All
you had to do is just flip the ball past
the line of scrimmage. Those type of things. And then
on top of that, remember five sacks, some of those
were gruesome, could have been really bad injuries.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
As a coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I know that I want him on my roster, So
what I can't afford to do is have him get hurt.
Huntley goes in with two minutes left behind an offensive
line that couldn't block for us your door. If Huntley
gets hurt, he guess what. Guess what happened? Twelve days
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through mean twelve hours after Huntley played in that game.
They know that this didn't They know this the coaching
What they couldn't afford to do is have Shador go
into the season with a real injury. Remember he hurt
the obleague, you don't want to exacerbate it, and you
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don't want to get something else because that's going to
slow down, right, your development. That's everybody wise racist, and
they do setting him up, and what are they setting
them up for? He's a fifth round quarterback. You thought
a fifth round quarterback was going to come in unless
he had the type of off season that Russell Wilson
(12:38):
had Matt Flynn, Right, unless he did that, which he didn't.
There's a lot to be worked on. But it's also
your attitude, having your own rap song come in into
the game, pouting and whining on the sideline when you
don't go in and play. Professionalism is a real thing.
It's a real thing, and there's a lot to be
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desired there. And I think he listen. I think he,
along with some other rookies, are our goal. You would
and you would know have a rude awakening at the
speed of the game what Dylan Gabriel had his where
he just said something he's said before, but how it's
perceived because I'm a quarterback and the NFL is a
different experience, and I think they're all learning this as
they go through this process right now.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
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Speaker 6 (15:16):
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Speaker 9 (15:19):
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Speaker 5 (15:30):
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Speaker 3 (15:34):
All you're saying is you've.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Experienced he's bearing something different. So I'm looking at you
a different experience. Really, what I'm talking about that dude. Yeah,
I'm saying we're talking to Marcellus Wiley right now, but
there's another guy inside of him that's now dormant called
that that dude.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
No, I know, I'm fully aware. Yo, you know yeah,
that dude. Well, man, let's get into real quick. Put
a button on this conversation we've obviously had for some
time now, throughout the duration of the off season, in
the training camp and all that, and then also even
on the show today.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Your thoughts on Shadure.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I don't even know if you know, because it just
happened in the last twenty twenty five minutes or so,
Kenny Picking being traded to the Raiders. Just your thoughts
of what Cleveland's doing at the quarterback position. And then
we'll move on to some other stuff.
Speaker 10 (16:22):
Yeah, I think it went as it had to go.
You brought in Joe Flacco Man, and Joe Flacco of
late has hit a renaissance and started to find his
mojo again. So all these one year opportunities, he finds
himself off the couch and still lead these teams into
better places.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
So I knew Flaka was gonna be the starter.
Speaker 10 (16:41):
I thought that, you know, Picket not being healthy basically
the entire preseason, he wrote his own ticket out of Cleveland,
but maybe too greener pastures in going to Las Vegas.
Shaduur and Dylan I think that the depth chart actually
reflects how they played this preseason. Shadure played good, but
not good enough to surpass anybody on that depth chart,
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and frankly, Dylan Gabriel played better overall because he read
defenses better, anticipated the throws a little better than she doer,
and didn't have as many negative plays.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Even though he had one of.
Speaker 10 (17:16):
The biggest with that pick six, he still seemed like
he had a better command of the offense than Shader.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
But feel good Man a fifth round pick who finds
himself on the team. He made the team fifth.
Speaker 11 (17:28):
Round it's hard to make the squad and then.
Speaker 10 (17:30):
He's gonna have a whole year probably to develop.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
And to fix the issues that he asked, let.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Me ask you a question. And we had Jason Lloyd
on and I asked him this question and he said,
Shador has you know, a lot of work to do?
Is you know he has time? He has a lot
of work to do. And my question to him was,
does he know that he has a lot of work
to do? Because he carries himself like a first round
draft pick. He's you know, like for me, I see
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some flaw in his approach. What are your thoughts on that?
Does he know that he has a lot of work
to do to be successful in this league?
Speaker 10 (18:07):
Man, I'm with you. I don't think it's really hit
home for him yet. He obviously got humbled on draft day,
and you know, you go from legendary to humbles. I
think a lot of times you just hold your breath
until you get back on top of that mountain, top
of that horse, and then we're gonna see the old
Shadur again. And that's not to say you can't have confidence, cockiness, swagger,
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but in sports especially, you got to be him to
be that guy, and if you're not him in terms
of performance like your dad was Chadure, then you can't
pull that off. And we were talking about it today. Man,
it's frankly, it's like almost in dating to generalize a
lot of times. The fine girl, the beautiful girl. You know,
(18:49):
she could say whatever, she won't and you're just gonna
be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but look at her, man,
or look I want to go out with her. But
if you ain't looking like that, don't be acting like that.
And Shadur ain't as fine as he think he is
as a performance. And so if this really that simple,
and I don't know why everybody is acting like they
don't know that had on ninety eight goal Chain told
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teams not to draft them, told teams, I'm gonna be
on lay away, I'm gonna call so much, and.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
They still were begging for him. When you him, you
can do that, when you ain't, you better not.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, that's that's and we talked about that. I mentioned
that today. I said he ain't the athlete. His dad
was one of them. Do is We're gonna overlook everything.
I don't give what did he say. I don't even care,
just but he is Dion. He's that good. Marcello's waally
that dude, our guests, let me go to some of
the Maybe there's a handful of teams that we're looking
at and expecting a lot of things from. Then there's
a handful to me who kind of right in that
middling place that can have something to say when it's
(19:41):
all said and done. A couple of teams, like let's
say we're are here in Los Angeles. You got the
Rams who can maybe say something. Your former team, the Chargers,
you got maybe depending on where you will put the Lions, uh, Buccaneers.
There's a handful of teams. I don't don't forget about us.
What are a couple of teams you're looking at saying
this season might go very well for them if X
goes right.
Speaker 10 (19:59):
Yeah, I mean obviously that you just said. And I'm
excited for the Chargers to find their run pass balance,
not only rooting for him, but with Herbert.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
He's a lot.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
If you get him on track with the running game,
which is gonna be a lot for this team, they
can do some things. It's gonna be interesting with the
defense they have. That said, I would add, it's crazy
I mean, Washington obviously is gonna be in the mix.
We got to see how that all plays out. They
signed their star receiver today, so that's good.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
I'm looking at.
Speaker 10 (20:28):
Dallas, man, I'm not gonna lie to people. Always always
look at you and side eye you when you say.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I'm looking at you. You right now about that, right
now we speak.
Speaker 10 (20:39):
They got a roster, and I know it's always drama
field and it seems like they're more of a content
team than they are actually going out there trying.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
To win a chip.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
But dog, they got squad, especially with Dak Prescott back healthy,
all the good stuff. They could do something.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
We'll see.
Speaker 10 (20:55):
That division is interesting. As much as I love Philly, Philly,
you know, you don't know if the Billy is full.
You don't know if the mojo's back. They lost a
lot of offensivelignment over the last couple of years. The
people are not really adding up. They lost one this offseason.
We'll see how they play in terms of up front
for Sakwan. But the Dallas Cowboys sneak up in there. Man,
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with all that talent, sooner or later it got it
got a problem.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Nobody try this boy, just because they paid you a
bunch of money. Man, That don't mean you just got
to die on that sword with them.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Let me finish, let me finish this documentary, let me
find out he.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Right, that's that dude, him and that Ferrari. They're pulling
up and it had to be something. But let me
ask you about this. Let me ask you about Russell
Wilson in his journey and and uh New York with
the Giants, because you know, Jackson Dart has had a
tremendous preseason and I know he's just Russell's the starter.
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But when you got a rookie coming in and he's
commanding the field like he's commanding, you know, you start
looking like, oh, dude, what do we do? Do we
play him now? Sooner than later? What do you think?
How do you think that's going to play out? With
those two guys?
Speaker 10 (22:04):
Man?
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Ain't it crazy?
Speaker 10 (22:05):
How ironic this is Russell Wilson, Like he just finds
himself in this position. It's almost like the karma poetic
justice of how he took Matt Flynn's job. He won
and now he's just in this position.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
And look, I don't want.
Speaker 10 (22:18):
To give it to Jackson Dart too early, just because
once you give it to a rookie, and if they
don't take advantage of it, it's an awkward situation. You
could undermine their confidence. It just gets weird.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
So you kind of want.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
To make sure the veteran fizzles out, just dies there
on the field, and then you say all right, show turn.
So there's a different amount of pressure on them. But
justin Dart, that dude when he got drafted and cats
were mad because obviously Shador wasn't drafted yet.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
And they were like, oh, Shador over him.
Speaker 10 (22:47):
I was like, look, I understand the Shador argument, but
it don't have to be over him. Jackson Dart was
an old miss when a double digit wins in the
SEC all games in the SEC and made Miss a thing. Man,
dude got swagged. Dude got game. He's a two point
zero quarterback. He could run, He's a lot, and he's
gonna get that job. I think this year sometimes, all.
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(23:42):
That's the only And if y'all ain't hit.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
To that yet, I'm telling y'all, y'all better get on
that little kid's movie all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
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Speaker 3 (23:50):
Well, let me tell you this.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
You gotta remember because Kendrick released his album when he
did he Is, He too, is also up for Album
of the Year.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
This Rammy cycle really, yes, do the mathem. I'm telling
you what it is, six plus two. He might be,
he is, it's not a mite.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
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take k Dot g n X g NX or.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
The Clips album better.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yep, Remember where you from? Remember where you from? Remember
where you're from.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Man, I'm gonna tap out. I'm going K pop with
the d.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
That's a wise man. That's a wise man. The best
part about it it was close enough. Somebody here he
said k Dot. He's at k Dot. That's what he's right, right, right, Yeah, Hey, well,
we appreciate you, big dog. As always, we got to
get up so man, thank you so much, brother.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I love you, man, my god.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Man, Man, keep it going.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
A I will come over there and get on some
on some pickleball. But the way my knee is set
up right now he got the call, the e M T.
Myneed even messed up since I met marcellis that's the
worst part about it.
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Speaker 1 (25:09):
So I'm gonna bringing Rob g because Brock Purty kind
of breaking it down from John Lynch to Kyle Shannan
to Brock Purty.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
All.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I've kind of had a few things to say last
couple of weeks about his performance and his play and
kind of what they're expecting the difference between twenty twenty
four and at twenty twenty five.
Speaker 12 (25:27):
Yeah, well it started on this show when we were
talking about something Christian McCaffrey had said that about him actually,
and he was saying how he is a special quarterback.
That was the word that Christian McCaffrey used and kind
of raising eyebrows around here, especially because we know Rob
Parker not the biggest brock Perty fan. Well, earlier this week,
Albert Breer, the MMQBU caught up with everybody involved with
(25:48):
the Niners, Brass GM, John Lynch, head coach, Kyle Shannan,
and brock Purty himself. And as you guys know, when
they paid brock Purty, it required them to relinquish a
lot of really good players because they just could not
financially keep everybody. You know, Dre Greenlaw's gone, Whufana has gone,
a couple of All Pro former all Pro guys are
(26:08):
out of there, and as a result, they're using the
term retool with this roster. So John Lynch was asked
about the idea of retooling this current team and what
his expectations are with brock Perty at the center, and
here's what he said, quote to Albert Breer, I think
you embrace it and you're booy by the fact that
(26:30):
we have people we respect that have done it. The
Rams have done a nice job of doing that and
never missed the beat, stay competitive and then Buffalo obviously
it helps when you got Josh Allen, but hey, we've
got rock Party, so you know, speaking very highly of
his quarterback, which is interesting because later in the article
they asked Rock Purty a similar question, and in his
(26:53):
response he explained why his play he felt tapered off
twenty twenty four as opposed to twenty twenty three, and
in his answer, brock Party said this quote, I felt
this pressure on myself that I needed to be this
Superman type guy and go and make plays off schedule.
There were some moments when I was like, dude, you
(27:15):
got to go back to the basics. It doesn't matter
who's out there. The way Kyle called the plays, you
run it right, that's like your rookie year. It works.
Stick to that, be consistent.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
So a dichotomy of thought.
Speaker 12 (27:26):
It feels like between what the GM expects from brock
Party and what Party expects from himself.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
All right, I want to jump in on the brock
Party side of this. I think we all can relate.
There have been instances in your life where maybe an
opportunity is on the line. E From you're competing for something.
Maybe it's a job. Obviously not everybody plays professional sports,
but it's a job you're trying to get it.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Maybe it's a girl.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Something big is on the line and you start to overcompensate, right,
you start to change your approach a little bit, and
really they start to do more than what is asked
of you and what had worked previously. In his case,
by the way, a bunch of money is on the line, right,
he hasn't gotten that new extension, hadn't gotten this deal,
still operating off a little bit of money. You remember,
(28:12):
mister irrelevant, and so I think that plays in the
back of your head.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
He might not admit it. That's in the back of
your brain a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Also, he mentioned it you were in a super Bowl,
Jimmy g had been in the super Bowl, and.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I think, get in the backyard.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I want to get us back, get us over this hump,
this this organization deserves it. That would be great for me,
my teammates, I love them. Let's get back over. We
got to get back to the super Bowl. That has
to be the barometer, the super Bowl, the super Bowl.
And again, you get outside of yourself. You over compensate,
something I think many people struggle with in life. Also
a little bit of imposter syndrome. Maybe there's a little
(28:46):
bit of him that's still shocked that I'm the seventh
round pick. Mister irrelevant last pick, and I can't believe
I'm in this position leading one of the blue blood
organizations in this league. There's actual expectations on me, and
I think there's a again you're trying to go outside
of yourself because you're like, I have to prove it,
Like I can't believe I'm here. And what really worked
(29:08):
for you was staying within the system from top down.
They've done well with getting guys, drafting guys free agency,
and then Kyle Shanahan has done well providing you with
kind of the offensive schematics to have productive years and
to move this thing along. You had all pro players
around you, and even when they're not, you can still
operate and make plays and live to play another day
(29:29):
and also put some things to your defense. Allah Patrick Mahomes,
Rob Parker sits here every day for no reason. Rob
G and I will all be talking about something on
the show and he'll be like, you know what reminds
me of Patrick Mahomes. You know his numbers twenty eight eleven,
Aaron Rodgers had the same. They weren't the same quarterback,
because when you start to look in those numbers, Aaron
Rodgers was at the very top low. I think the
(29:50):
lowest five of QBR and making plays that mattered. You
know where Patrick Mahons was number one. So yes, his
numbers weren't gaudy. Forty touchdown only five interceptions on some
he made the right play that he needed given everything
that was around him, me from backs around, guys are injured,
receivers are injured, guys are in their back out.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
All of that, he knew.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I had to just make a couple of plays here
there defense spectacular.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
We got a chance to win peak.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Tom Brady sometimes is that I'm about to slant rock
y'all to death. I'm about to death by a thousand
paper cuts. Just get it done, get it out, live
to play another day, make the right play. And I
think brock Perty is saying, I need to get back
to that. I don't have to be a hero. I
don't have to prove it. I don't have to show
you that I'm the guy, and get back to being you.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
There is more responsibility that you're You know, you got
all this money now and you're the leader of this franchise.
We've now invested in believing you. And yes, there are
gonna be times you have to make plays with your legs.
You're gonna have to extend plays. But the idea that
you do have to do it every play, that we're
not relying upon you to do that, otherwise we're not
doing our job. And I give an example, a favorable
one for him what he looked like against the Lions
(30:56):
in that NFC Championship game. Line's up seventeen going the
second half, feeling good. Everybody I know from Detroit was
doing well, you know, the little it's a little boss
up dance and everybody's booking Spirit and they Boston and
they're bossing up.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Don't know, do that? Don't do that? Okay, oh boy, they're.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Bossing up and every body and their booking flights, Spirit
flights to the Vegas. They're on their way to Super
Bowl with their buff with the you know about it,
with the buffs on and everything. And then Rock Purty
made plays when he needed to extended plays, made some
great throws, and you're like, shoot, that's the best version
of him. So my old point is he from this
is good for him realizing I may have been over
(31:34):
and commensating, I may have had a little impossition and
freaking out showing I have to do more than I
need to, getting back to relying on what this team
does well, relying on the weapons. Kittle still is backing
looks healthy. McCaffrey's backing looks healthy. You got some pieces
around you also, just made the trade as well to
require what's his name from the from the Chiefs as well.
So you've got some pieces around sky Moore you. We'll
(31:56):
see what happens there. Maybe he can be better than
he was with them. Just get back to that. Yeah,
I think it's this is his year. It was a whirlwind.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
He came in three years ago, got hurt, went five
and oh, went all the way to the NFC Championship Game.
Then the next year came out and I think started
seven and zero or something like that, and they went
all the way to the super Bowl. And so he's
had some success. He's shown that he can play at
a very high level in this league. And I've always
(32:30):
been a fan of him because I know how hard
it is to come in with really no expectations and
then change people's perception of you as a player. And
that's what you do if you have any success. As
a seventh round draft pick. Tom Brady did it. I
was a seventh round draft pick who played thirteen years,
(32:54):
one hundred and fifty nine games, and so there is
a lot of pressure and responsibility on you after you've
changed people's perception of who you are as a player.
All he has to do is just go bet him
(33:15):
because he showed us he started. I mean I remember
actively talking about those games on my Sunday night show.
As he was rising, I was like, man, this is
out of control. And so all he's done in three
years is have a seventy percent win percentage, sixty seven
(33:38):
touchdowns I think, twenty five interceptions, and ninety five hundred
yards in three years, two full years of starting in
five games the first year. If you would have told him,
tell me that was a first round draft pick, he
would be He'd be like, he's right on target, he's
(34:00):
right on pace. But because he was the last pick
in the draft, people are like, oh, well, the other
shoe is gonna drop off. He can't be possibly that.
It had to be this, and it had to be that. No,
he played a bunch of football at our state in college,
had a lot of reps. He can he knows exactly
what he's doing now. He just has to be him.
(34:20):
Don't be what others perceive you should be.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Just be you.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Kyle Shannan's a tremendous offensive mind. You got a great team,
great organization, and just let the game come. And that's
where he is now. It's no longer underpaid. Can then
that's not no longer underpaid. Life has been a little
bit more comfortable for him and his family now. So
now you don't have to worry about any of that. Now,
(34:47):
you just really going out there and playing you back
out on the street, back in the backyard, back in
high school, back in college. Just go let that thing rip, man,
and good things will happen.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I think that, and I think again most of us
have to go through that in something where pressing is
the word.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Ye life, you're pressing and you.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Realize, Man, I'm best off what I'm doing me, I'm
best off what I'm trusting the team around me in
this case literally the team also the system and organization. Wrong,
you got a great Coyle Shanahan's been great. Now, Listen,
does he need to run the ball when he needs
to run the ball sometimes in me time, games, super Bowls,
whether he's the offensive coordinator or the head coach, whether
it be Atlanta or San Francisco. Yes, but you still
(35:25):
have those things built around you for a successful run
to the tune of all the money that you've just gotten.
So to me, I like that he's acknowledged that. I
like the organization from top down and saying we clearly
believe in that. We've invested in him, and they's saying,
let's get back to business and doing what we do best.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
So, of course, all the conversation coming out of the
weekend like it has been, has been with the Cleveland Browns,
and this time it has been a couple of different ways.
You got Dylan Gabriel and then you have, of course,
you have Joe Flacco nine to ten, get a touchdown
seventy something yards for him, looks good. But eventually the
big conversation coming out of it, of course is Shaudure
Sanders and how he looked where he did not look great,
(00:48):
getting sacked five times of completed three passes and just
looked out of sorts, as did the former position you played,
by the way, the offensive line as well.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I mean, I don't even know who was out there
at that point.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I don't know if it was D Is there a
D such thing as a D six offensive line and
D two, D three it was D six because I
don't know, they had him running around out there. Now
he was holding the ball longer than you would want
to as well. Uh so you don't like that, But.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What were you saying? No, no, go go?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So the larger conversation comes out of that. To me,
Ephraim and even Steve Sefanski, we had that. Let me
hear me, Kevin, I'm sorry, Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
This is what he had. This has been the conversation
his brother. Yeah, let me get to Kevin.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Everybody had this conversation, and it's been a topic on shows,
including ours. Are they sabotaging? How are they using them?
Why DIDN'TY use him for this two minute drill? And
does he hear all of this chatter? Here's what he
had to say.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Obviously, I don't concern myself with outside type of things,
but you know, I'm committed to his development, just like
all of our rookies. So we'll continue to focus on
getting our guys better, and that's what we'll stay committed to,
and that's what's important to me.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So for me, this comes down to do something that
I look at it this way. Are they sabotaged Shaudure.
Is there a game plan out to keep him under
their thumb? And I don't think that is the goal.
I don't think they purposely set out to sabotage Shadure.
But what I do think is they have no idea
(02:15):
what they're doing, and they haven't had an idea what
they're doing for thirty to forty years.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And I mean that sincerely, respectively, respectfully.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Like, look at the quarterback situations they've had nearly forty
quarterbacks and over the last twenty five years, and you
look at the decisions that they've made. Of course we
go back. Let's just go back to the Deshaun Watson one.
And I think Shadure is paying for the Deshaun Watson move,
meaning we went all in, We made a controversial move,
We gave this guy un president guaranteed money, and it backfired.
(02:48):
He didn't play well. He was also injured, and there
was also a controversy that came with it, and you know,
and you took the ire of society with some people
saying what about the women involved in this? They got
all of that compounded with him now being injured and
being out, and I think Shadeur is paying for a
bit of that of we can't have any mishaps, we
can't have any mistakes, and we don't want also the
(03:10):
controversy and always having to endure these conversations, and I
think Shadeur is a recipient of parts of that. But
they continue historically to make bad moves. The Browns, and
I look at this as they don't know what they're
doing with the quarterback position. So now what you do
is you bring in a guy who's forty. There have
been fifteen quarterbacks in the history of the NFL, which
(03:31):
have been hundreds to potentially thousands of quarterbacks over the years,
over one hundred years of NFL, only fifteen have been
forty and started over ten games, about four of that success.
And you're looking at those because they're Hall of famers.
You got Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, and of
course Tom Brady. Joe Flacco ain't that And so I
(03:53):
understand he brings some stability. I understand he knows the system.
I'm not mad at that, But to me, it's the
same conversation that Rob g Rob Parker and I had
when I'm looking at the Steelers, and you keep bringing
in guys for right now, right now, when they're not
your future. And at some point you have to turn
a page and start you progressing towards your future.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And you know this.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
There will be growing pains as you go towards your future.
There will be mistakes as you go towards your future,
but you have to do it. And to me, keep
trying to find a mandate, keep trying to put it here. Okay,
we had Joe Flacco made the postseas, Okay, we let
him go. Wait, go get him back. Wait nobody wants
can't he Pikett? But go get him now. It just
shows and reflects to me, including this should dur and
including the Dylan Gabriel, because Dylan Gabriel has been fine
(04:35):
ball accounts, he's been fine in the locker room, he's
been fine on the practice field, he's been fined in
the games, and he's not even really getting the topic
of conversation when it should be. To me, we have
these two rookies that we're trying to figure out what
we're doing and maybe can he pick it? Okay, fine,
and we're trying to move forward with this. Who's gonna start,
who's gonna be the back up? And you're moving towards
your future. And to me, they come out looking more disenfranchised,
(04:57):
more clueless of how to run this organization in that
position and putting guys in positions where they don't know
what they're doing. The team doesn't know what they're doing.
Shaudor think is he getting two minute drive? Because why
wouldn't he's into the game? Go ahead and go try
to win this game.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Kid.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
They don't give it to him. They're throwing somebody Huntley
who has nothing to do with nothing. What was the
point of that? And so I just don't get. I
haven't got what they were doing in the beginning. I
believe Shador Sanders should absolutely be a part of this
roster and absolutely be a part of their moving forward.
Even if Dylan Gabriel was a starter, Shador should be
there as well. And I walk away from this even
more confused about the Brons organization, the way they drafted,
(05:30):
the way they gave Deshaun Watson money and what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
That was well put.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
And let me tell you, Okay, break it down what
I believe is going on? All right, So you bring
it in, Joe Flacco because you don't have a clear
cut player that you want at number one. You're not
really mesmerized by any of the young players in this draft, right,
(05:58):
So you punt on draft in the first second round
quarterback and opt for more of a developmental rookie quarterback,
which you're getting the later rounds.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Third on.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Do you know there's about six or seven kids next
year will be first round quarterback talents. You understand that
you don't expect Joe Flacco to play all seventeen games.
You don't expect Joe Flacco to win the division for
you or anything like that. But you do expect Joe
Flacco to help other young players, other young position players, receivers,
(06:31):
tighty ends, running backs develop because he's not developing when
everybody's developing together as a difficult task. So you want
to build your other assets up for when you do
go into the market. I believe they have two first
round draft picks next year. When you do go into
(06:52):
the market and you find the kid that you'll be
watching all college that you'll want to spend a first
round draft pick on. With the said you take Dylan
Gabriel in the third round. You know Dylan's been in
college a long time, played a lot of quarterback and
there's some talent there. You get told by ownership, Hey
(07:13):
in the fifth round. Well, when the fifth round came around,
chadul was still on the board. You got to take Shader, said,
so they take him. You wouldn't normally draft two quarterbacks
in the same draft. It never works out well, but
the mandate was sent down. They did what they were
supposed to do. Now, Joe FLACCOH didn't play until the
last preseason game because you know what Joe Flaco is.
(07:36):
Wanted to get him out there, knock some of the
real rust off of him. Uh, and you wanted to
see what the other two young quarterbacks you drafted had.
You also went out and got Kenny Pickett Inde trade. Yeah,
just to be sure. You know, you don't have a quarterback.
(07:58):
And so Dylan ga Abril got hurt. Can he pick it?
Got hurt?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And so you had Joe FLACCOH. You had Shadour first.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Game, Shader starts plays, You signed Hunting Lee to back
up because no one else is left. He was never
a cog in the world, was never gonna make it.
And so Chador goes out there and plays well. That
was a great first outing in preseason. The next game,
Dylan Gabriel had an opportunity, even with a bad hamstring,
(08:28):
he went out there and played.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
She had a little bit better numbers. Uh, he had
more drives. But Dylan Gabriel did Okay. Oblique injury, wow, okay,
can he get back from that?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
He does?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Final preseason game, you finally let Joe Flacco go out there,
Dylan Gabriel, who's a third round draft pick, plays with
the twos, and then you have chadur coming in with
you know, everyone else trying to make the team. Now,
the problem I'm having is if you're a fifth round
(09:08):
draft pick, there are very few team captains and leaders
in the locker room in the fifth round, very few
in the third round. So until you reach that status,
you can't come in at that status. There's so much
work to be done to be respected and seeing in
(09:31):
that locker room. And this is look off season stuff,
off the field stuff, the speeding tickets. Ah, it is
what it is. But you also have to realize you're
a late round draft pick. No matter what you believe
in your mind, the numbers are the numbers. You are
in the fifth round draft pick. Their fifth round draft
picks will been cut for less. All right, So now
(09:55):
you get into the game, it doesn't go well for you.
Some of the same negative that people had about you,
even your fans had about you in college, are manifesting themselves.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
You hold on to the ball too long.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
There is no extending plays like that unless you have
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Kyler Murray level of athleticism.
He does not. Shudiel Sanders isn't that black quarterback? Okay,
Just so I'm just gonna be real, right right, So we'
I saw as an offensive lineman, I saw some really
(10:32):
bad sacks step up into the pocket. The moment you
turn your shoulders the opposite direction, you're in trouble. Unless
you're who Lamar Jackson, You're not him. You have to
know who you are, and no three step drop. The
ball must come out or you got to get rid
of it. There is no other read. So there are
(10:53):
some technical things that I saw him unable to really do.
And I don't know if it was the injury, whatever,
I know he wanted to make a play. But if
there's no play there to be made, then you got
to get out of it. Instead of third or in
second and twenty five, you gotta go second and ten
(11:13):
scrambling out of scrambled. He ran out of bounds four
yards behind a line of scrimmage. That's the sack. All
you had to do is just flip the ball past
the line of scrimmage. Those type of things. And then
on top of that, remember five sacks, some of those
were gruesome, could have been really bad injuries.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
As a coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I know that I want him on my roster, So
what I can't afford to do is have him get hurt.
Huntley goes in with two minutes left behind an offensive
line that couldn't block for us your door. If Huntley
gets hurt, he guess what. Guess what happened? Twelve days
(11:54):
through mean twelve hours after Huntley played in that game.
They know that this didn't They know this the coaching
What they couldn't afford to do is have Shador go
into the season with a real injury. Remember he hurt
the obleague, you don't want to exacerbate it, and you
(12:14):
don't want to get something else because that's going to
slow down, right, your development. That's everybody wise racist, and
they do setting him up, and what are they setting
them up for? He's a fifth round quarterback. You thought
a fifth round quarterback was going to come in unless
he had the type of off season that Russell Wilson
(12:38):
had Matt Flynn, Right, unless he did that, which he didn't.
There's a lot to be worked on. But it's also
your attitude, having your own rap song come in into
the game, pouting and whining on the sideline when you
don't go in and play. Professionalism is a real thing.
It's a real thing, and there's a lot to be
(12:58):
desired there. And I think he listen. I think he,
along with some other rookies, are our goal. You would
and you would know have a rude awakening at the
speed of the game what Dylan Gabriel had his where
he just said something he's said before, but how it's
perceived because I'm a quarterback and the NFL is a
different experience, and I think they're all learning this as
they go through this process right now.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So all right, let's break it up.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Maybe we'll take one quick call before we get to
We got to Steve coming up in a little bit here.
What's trending eight seven to seven ninety nine on Fox.
I just think Sa Door absolutely has a little Kayler
Williams in and that he's gonna have to work out.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
We bruh.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
You.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yes, you've been good and great your whole life, but
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Speaker 6 (15:08):
What up?
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Man? We're talking talking about Magic City, Mondays and Venus.
Will you still playing tennis with the hell going on
in this world?
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (15:17):
What?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You was having some flashbacks when we brought out of
Magic City Monday.
Speaker 9 (15:19):
So I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say it overrated. It
ain't what you think. When you get there, you realize
you could have just went home, but you're out and
it's a problem.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Well, I'm gonna tell you what, it's just based on
your your experiences and all that.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
All you're saying is you've.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Experienced he's bearing something different. So I'm looking at you
a different experience. Really, what I'm talking about that dude. Yeah,
I'm saying we're talking to Marcellus Wiley right now, but
there's another guy inside of him that's now dormant called
that that dude.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
No, I know, I'm fully aware. Yo, you know yeah,
that dude. Well, man, let's get into real quick. Put
a button on this conversation we've obviously had for some
time now, throughout the duration of the off season, in
the training camp and all that, and then also even
on the show today.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Your thoughts on Shadure.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I don't even know if you know, because it just
happened in the last twenty twenty five minutes or so,
Kenny Picking being traded to the Raiders. Just your thoughts
of what Cleveland's doing at the quarterback position. And then
we'll move on to some other stuff.
Speaker 10 (16:22):
Yeah, I think it went as it had to go.
You brought in Joe Flacco Man, and Joe Flacco of
late has hit a renaissance and started to find his
mojo again. So all these one year opportunities, he finds
himself off the couch and still lead these teams into
better places.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
So I knew Flaka was gonna be the starter.
Speaker 10 (16:41):
I thought that, you know, Picket not being healthy basically
the entire preseason, he wrote his own ticket out of Cleveland,
but maybe too greener pastures in going to Las Vegas.
Shaduur and Dylan I think that the depth chart actually
reflects how they played this preseason. Shadure played good, but
not good enough to surpass anybody on that depth chart,
(17:04):
and frankly, Dylan Gabriel played better overall because he read
defenses better, anticipated the throws a little better than she doer,
and didn't have as many negative plays.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Even though he had one of.
Speaker 10 (17:16):
The biggest with that pick six, he still seemed like
he had a better command of the offense than Shader.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
But feel good Man a fifth round pick who finds
himself on the team. He made the team fifth.
Speaker 11 (17:28):
Round it's hard to make the squad and then.
Speaker 10 (17:30):
He's gonna have a whole year probably to develop.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
And to fix the issues that he asked, let.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Me ask you a question. And we had Jason Lloyd
on and I asked him this question and he said,
Shador has you know, a lot of work to do?
Is you know he has time? He has a lot
of work to do. And my question to him was,
does he know that he has a lot of work
to do? Because he carries himself like a first round
draft pick. He's you know, like for me, I see
(17:57):
some flaw in his approach. What are your thoughts on that?
Does he know that he has a lot of work
to do to be successful in this league?
Speaker 10 (18:07):
Man, I'm with you. I don't think it's really hit
home for him yet. He obviously got humbled on draft day,
and you know, you go from legendary to humbles. I
think a lot of times you just hold your breath
until you get back on top of that mountain, top
of that horse, and then we're gonna see the old
Shadur again. And that's not to say you can't have confidence, cockiness, swagger,
(18:28):
but in sports especially, you got to be him to
be that guy, and if you're not him in terms
of performance like your dad was Chadure, then you can't
pull that off. And we were talking about it today. Man,
it's frankly, it's like almost in dating to generalize a
lot of times. The fine girl, the beautiful girl. You know,
(18:49):
she could say whatever, she won't and you're just gonna
be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but look at her, man,
or look I want to go out with her. But
if you ain't looking like that, don't be acting like that.
And Shadur ain't as fine as he think he is
as a performance. And so if this really that simple,
and I don't know why everybody is acting like they
don't know that had on ninety eight goal Chain told
(19:09):
teams not to draft them, told teams, I'm gonna be
on lay away, I'm gonna call so much, and.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
They still were begging for him. When you him, you
can do that, when you ain't, you better not.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, that's that's and we talked about that. I mentioned
that today. I said he ain't the athlete. His dad
was one of them. Do is We're gonna overlook everything.
I don't give what did he say. I don't even care,
just but he is Dion. He's that good. Marcello's waally
that dude, our guests, let me go to some of
the Maybe there's a handful of teams that we're looking
at and expecting a lot of things from. Then there's
a handful to me who kind of right in that
middling place that can have something to say when it's
(19:41):
all said and done. A couple of teams, like let's
say we're are here in Los Angeles. You got the
Rams who can maybe say something. Your former team, the Chargers,
you got maybe depending on where you will put the Lions, uh, Buccaneers.
There's a handful of teams. I don't don't forget about us.
What are a couple of teams you're looking at saying
this season might go very well for them if X
goes right.
Speaker 10 (19:59):
Yeah, I mean obviously that you just said. And I'm
excited for the Chargers to find their run pass balance,
not only rooting for him, but with Herbert.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
He's a lot.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
If you get him on track with the running game,
which is gonna be a lot for this team, they
can do some things. It's gonna be interesting with the
defense they have. That said, I would add, it's crazy
I mean, Washington obviously is gonna be in the mix.
We got to see how that all plays out. They
signed their star receiver today, so that's good.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
I'm looking at.
Speaker 10 (20:28):
Dallas, man, I'm not gonna lie to people. Always always
look at you and side eye you when you say.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I'm looking at you. You right now about that, right
now we speak.
Speaker 10 (20:39):
They got a roster, and I know it's always drama
field and it seems like they're more of a content
team than they are actually going out there trying.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
To win a chip.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
But dog, they got squad, especially with Dak Prescott back healthy,
all the good stuff. They could do something.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
We'll see.
Speaker 10 (20:55):
That division is interesting. As much as I love Philly, Philly,
you know, you don't know if the Billy is full.
You don't know if the mojo's back. They lost a
lot of offensivelignment over the last couple of years. The
people are not really adding up. They lost one this offseason.
We'll see how they play in terms of up front
for Sakwan. But the Dallas Cowboys sneak up in there. Man,
(21:16):
with all that talent, sooner or later it got it
got a problem.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Nobody try this boy, just because they paid you a
bunch of money. Man, That don't mean you just got
to die on that sword with them.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Let me finish, let me finish this documentary, let me
find out he.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Right, that's that dude, him and that Ferrari. They're pulling
up and it had to be something. But let me
ask you about this. Let me ask you about Russell
Wilson in his journey and and uh New York with
the Giants, because you know, Jackson Dart has had a
tremendous preseason and I know he's just Russell's the starter.
(21:50):
But when you got a rookie coming in and he's
commanding the field like he's commanding, you know, you start
looking like, oh, dude, what do we do? Do we
play him now? Sooner than later? What do you think?
How do you think that's going to play out? With
those two guys?
Speaker 10 (22:04):
Man?
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Ain't it crazy?
Speaker 10 (22:05):
How ironic this is Russell Wilson, Like he just finds
himself in this position. It's almost like the karma poetic
justice of how he took Matt Flynn's job. He won
and now he's just in this position.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
And look, I don't want.
Speaker 10 (22:18):
To give it to Jackson Dart too early, just because
once you give it to a rookie, and if they
don't take advantage of it, it's an awkward situation. You
could undermine their confidence. It just gets weird.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
So you kind of want.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
To make sure the veteran fizzles out, just dies there
on the field, and then you say all right, show turn.
So there's a different amount of pressure on them. But
justin Dart, that dude when he got drafted and cats
were mad because obviously Shador wasn't drafted yet.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
And they were like, oh, Shador over him.
Speaker 10 (22:47):
I was like, look, I understand the Shador argument, but
it don't have to be over him. Jackson Dart was
an old miss when a double digit wins in the
SEC all games in the SEC and made Miss a thing. Man,
dude got swagged. Dude got game. He's a two point
zero quarterback. He could run, He's a lot, and he's
gonna get that job. I think this year sometimes, all.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Right, I gotta ask you this, the hip hop side
of you Clips album Album of the Year.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Did you go to the concept over the weekend?
Speaker 11 (23:18):
Oh that album is so perfect and it's every level
of life. It hits you from the banger, yeah, and
then it say no, let me go deep. Then let's
go to the next level of Lives after Life. He
took it everywhere. That album is next level. The only
album this year better than that is K Pop Demon Hunters.
(23:42):
That's the only And if y'all ain't hit.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
To that yet, I'm telling y'all, y'all better get on
that little kid's movie all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
It's next level.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Well, let me tell you this.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
You gotta remember because Kendrick released his album when he
did he Is, He too, is also up for Album
of the Year.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
This Rammy cycle really, yes, do the mathem. I'm telling
you what it is, six plus two. He might be,
he is, it's not a mite.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
So you need to take the Clips or you gotta
take k Dot g n X g NX or.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
The Clips album better.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yep, Remember where you from? Remember where you from? Remember
where you're from.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Man, I'm gonna tap out. I'm going K pop with
the d.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
That's a wise man. That's a wise man. The best
part about it it was close enough. Somebody here he
said k Dot. He's at k Dot. That's what he's right, right, right, Yeah, Hey, well,
we appreciate you, big dog. As always, we got to
get up so man, thank you so much, brother.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I love you, man, my god.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Man, Man, keep it going.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
A I will come over there and get on some
on some pickleball. But the way my knee is set
up right now he got the call, the e M T.
Myneed even messed up since I met marcellis that's the
worst part about it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
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Speaker 1 (25:09):
So I'm gonna bringing Rob g because Brock Purty kind
of breaking it down from John Lynch to Kyle Shannan
to Brock Purty.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
All.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I've kind of had a few things to say last
couple of weeks about his performance and his play and
kind of what they're expecting the difference between twenty twenty
four and at twenty twenty five.
Speaker 12 (25:27):
Yeah, well it started on this show when we were
talking about something Christian McCaffrey had said that about him actually,
and he was saying how he is a special quarterback.
That was the word that Christian McCaffrey used and kind
of raising eyebrows around here, especially because we know Rob
Parker not the biggest brock Perty fan. Well, earlier this week,
Albert Breer, the MMQBU caught up with everybody involved with
(25:48):
the Niners, Brass GM, John Lynch, head coach, Kyle Shannan,
and brock Purty himself. And as you guys know, when
they paid brock Purty, it required them to relinquish a
lot of really good players because they just could not
financially keep everybody. You know, Dre Greenlaw's gone, Whufana has gone,
a couple of All Pro former all Pro guys are
(26:08):
out of there, and as a result, they're using the
term retool with this roster. So John Lynch was asked
about the idea of retooling this current team and what
his expectations are with brock Perty at the center, and
here's what he said, quote to Albert Breer, I think
you embrace it and you're booy by the fact that
(26:30):
we have people we respect that have done it. The
Rams have done a nice job of doing that and
never missed the beat, stay competitive and then Buffalo obviously
it helps when you got Josh Allen, but hey, we've
got rock Party, so you know, speaking very highly of
his quarterback, which is interesting because later in the article
they asked Rock Purty a similar question, and in his
(26:53):
response he explained why his play he felt tapered off
twenty twenty four as opposed to twenty twenty three, and
in his answer, brock Party said this quote, I felt
this pressure on myself that I needed to be this
Superman type guy and go and make plays off schedule.
There were some moments when I was like, dude, you
(27:15):
got to go back to the basics. It doesn't matter
who's out there. The way Kyle called the plays, you
run it right, that's like your rookie year. It works.
Stick to that, be consistent.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
So a dichotomy of thought.
Speaker 12 (27:26):
It feels like between what the GM expects from brock
Party and what Party expects from himself.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
All right, I want to jump in on the brock
Party side of this. I think we all can relate.
There have been instances in your life where maybe an
opportunity is on the line. E From you're competing for something.
Maybe it's a job. Obviously not everybody plays professional sports,
but it's a job you're trying to get it.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Maybe it's a girl.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Something big is on the line and you start to overcompensate, right,
you start to change your approach a little bit, and
really they start to do more than what is asked
of you and what had worked previously. In his case,
by the way, a bunch of money is on the line, right,
he hasn't gotten that new extension, hadn't gotten this deal,
still operating off a little bit of money. You remember,
(28:12):
mister irrelevant, and so I think that plays in the
back of your head.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
He might not admit it. That's in the back of
your brain a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Also, he mentioned it you were in a super Bowl,
Jimmy g had been in the super Bowl, and.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I think, get in the backyard.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I want to get us back, get us over this hump,
this this organization deserves it. That would be great for me,
my teammates, I love them. Let's get back over. We
got to get back to the super Bowl. That has
to be the barometer, the super Bowl, the super Bowl.
And again, you get outside of yourself. You over compensate,
something I think many people struggle with in life. Also
a little bit of imposter syndrome. Maybe there's a little
(28:46):
bit of him that's still shocked that I'm the seventh
round pick. Mister irrelevant last pick, and I can't believe
I'm in this position leading one of the blue blood
organizations in this league. There's actual expectations on me, and
I think there's a again you're trying to go outside
of yourself because you're like, I have to prove it,
Like I can't believe I'm here. And what really worked
(29:08):
for you was staying within the system from top down.
They've done well with getting guys, drafting guys free agency,
and then Kyle Shanahan has done well providing you with
kind of the offensive schematics to have productive years and
to move this thing along. You had all pro players
around you, and even when they're not, you can still
operate and make plays and live to play another day
(29:29):
and also put some things to your defense. Allah Patrick Mahomes,
Rob Parker sits here every day for no reason. Rob
G and I will all be talking about something on
the show and he'll be like, you know what reminds
me of Patrick Mahomes. You know his numbers twenty eight eleven,
Aaron Rodgers had the same. They weren't the same quarterback,
because when you start to look in those numbers, Aaron
Rodgers was at the very top low. I think the
(29:50):
lowest five of QBR and making plays that mattered. You
know where Patrick Mahons was number one. So yes, his
numbers weren't gaudy. Forty touchdown only five interceptions on some
he made the right play that he needed given everything
that was around him, me from backs around, guys are injured,
receivers are injured, guys are in their back out.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
All of that, he knew.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I had to just make a couple of plays here
there defense spectacular.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
We got a chance to win peak.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Tom Brady sometimes is that I'm about to slant rock
y'all to death. I'm about to death by a thousand
paper cuts. Just get it done, get it out, live
to play another day, make the right play. And I
think brock Perty is saying, I need to get back
to that. I don't have to be a hero. I
don't have to prove it. I don't have to show
you that I'm the guy, and get back to being you.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
There is more responsibility that you're You know, you got
all this money now and you're the leader of this franchise.
We've now invested in believing you. And yes, there are
gonna be times you have to make plays with your legs.
You're gonna have to extend plays. But the idea that
you do have to do it every play, that we're
not relying upon you to do that, otherwise we're not
doing our job. And I give an example, a favorable
one for him what he looked like against the Lions
(30:56):
in that NFC Championship game. Line's up seventeen going the
second half, feeling good. Everybody I know from Detroit was
doing well, you know, the little it's a little boss
up dance and everybody's booking Spirit and they Boston and
they're bossing up.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Don't know, do that? Don't do that? Okay, oh boy, they're.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Bossing up and every body and their booking flights, Spirit
flights to the Vegas. They're on their way to Super
Bowl with their buff with the you know about it,
with the buffs on and everything. And then Rock Purty
made plays when he needed to extended plays, made some
great throws, and you're like, shoot, that's the best version
of him. So my old point is he from this
is good for him realizing I may have been over
(31:34):
and commensating, I may have had a little impossition and
freaking out showing I have to do more than I
need to, getting back to relying on what this team
does well, relying on the weapons. Kittle still is backing
looks healthy. McCaffrey's backing looks healthy. You got some pieces
around you also, just made the trade as well to
require what's his name from the from the Chiefs as well.
So you've got some pieces around sky Moore you. We'll
(31:56):
see what happens there. Maybe he can be better than
he was with them. Just get back to that. Yeah,
I think it's this is his year. It was a whirlwind.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
He came in three years ago, got hurt, went five
and oh, went all the way to the NFC Championship Game.
Then the next year came out and I think started
seven and zero or something like that, and they went
all the way to the super Bowl. And so he's
had some success. He's shown that he can play at
a very high level in this league. And I've always
(32:30):
been a fan of him because I know how hard
it is to come in with really no expectations and
then change people's perception of you as a player. And
that's what you do if you have any success. As
a seventh round draft pick. Tom Brady did it. I
was a seventh round draft pick who played thirteen years,
(32:54):
one hundred and fifty nine games, and so there is
a lot of pressure and responsibility on you after you've
changed people's perception of who you are as a player.
All he has to do is just go bet him
(33:15):
because he showed us he started. I mean I remember
actively talking about those games on my Sunday night show.
As he was rising, I was like, man, this is
out of control. And so all he's done in three
years is have a seventy percent win percentage, sixty seven
(33:38):
touchdowns I think, twenty five interceptions, and ninety five hundred
yards in three years, two full years of starting in
five games the first year. If you would have told him,
tell me that was a first round draft pick, he
would be He'd be like, he's right on target, he's
(34:00):
right on pace. But because he was the last pick
in the draft, people are like, oh, well, the other
shoe is gonna drop off. He can't be possibly that.
It had to be this, and it had to be that. No,
he played a bunch of football at our state in college,
had a lot of reps. He can he knows exactly
what he's doing now. He just has to be him.
(34:20):
Don't be what others perceive you should be.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Just be you.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Kyle Shannan's a tremendous offensive mind. You got a great team,
great organization, and just let the game come. And that's
where he is now. It's no longer underpaid. Can then
that's not no longer underpaid. Life has been a little
bit more comfortable for him and his family now. So
now you don't have to worry about any of that. Now,
(34:47):
you just really going out there and playing you back
out on the street, back in the backyard, back in
high school, back in college. Just go let that thing rip, man,
and good things will happen.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I think that, and I think again most of us
have to go through that in something where pressing is
the word.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Ye life, you're pressing and you.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Realize, Man, I'm best off what I'm doing me, I'm
best off what I'm trusting the team around me in
this case literally the team also the system and organization. Wrong,
you got a great Coyle Shanahan's been great. Now, Listen,
does he need to run the ball when he needs
to run the ball sometimes in me time, games, super Bowls,
whether he's the offensive coordinator or the head coach, whether
it be Atlanta or San Francisco. Yes, but you still
(35:25):
have those things built around you for a successful run
to the tune of all the money that you've just gotten.
So to me, I like that he's acknowledged that. I
like the organization from top down and saying we clearly
believe in that. We've invested in him, and they's saying,
let's get back to business and doing what we do best.
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