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August 27, 2025 38 mins

Kelvin Washington & Rob Guerra react to Rashee Rice's Six Game suspension and discuss why the Chiefs will not win the AFC West because of it. Plus, the guys discuss why there is a thought that Bears QB Caleb Williams could get benched somewhere this season if he under performs and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
That's right, Enter, it is the Odd Couple. Colvin Washington,
Rob G who is in for Rob P who at
this point starting think Rob G doesn't want to produce anymore?
Is that what it is? Is that what's going on?
Rob G? You've given up on that side of the glass.
This is just sining. You know I do breaking news

(00:47):
every day, right, you know I do that. That's right, folks,
we have breaking news, Rob G said, Rob peace out
and left the other side of the glass. Rob G's
in on this worship Wednesday. Rob is still out on
vacation and we got Jesse Newell coming up Kansas City
Chiefs beat reporter for the Athletic. There's some news obviously
coming out of there for shehre right, Rashi Rice we'll

(01:08):
get to that, and just a little bit. Also, Michael
Fabiano gonna join a Sports Illustrated senior fantasy analysts. And
by the way, Rob g we talked about that a
little earlier. I had stopped doing fantasy for a couple
of years, start having all these kids and jobs, and
I know we only have about a week and a
half for Soul left before the season, but I'm gonna
jump back in. I'm gonna find me up. I know, no,

(01:31):
I'm gonna jump back in. I'm gonna find me. I'm
gonna find me a squad somewhere, one of my mini jobs,
and somebody will let me in, and I'm gonna get
back in the fantasy world as well. Then we're gonna
do ones. Gotta go looking forward to that, uh so.
And then R J. Young also in the last hour,
be around nine to twenty for the East, six to
twenty for us here in the West, Fox Sports and
National College Football analysts. We got college football action, some

(01:52):
big games happening this weekend, one in particular that of
course everybody's gonna be watching, so a whole lot to
get to on this worship Wednesday. Let me welcome in
my partner. He is, rob G, what's up? Rob G?
Shout out to Manzi. That's me, No, that's Monzi. How
did Monty hijack thing? Because she does it more often
than you do. She does get excited. I can't even
touch the doorhandle. Ready over the door, like okay, all right,

(02:15):
all right, Manzi shout to MONSI should be here shortly
as well. We got Patty Patrick is uh producing for
you since you want to be on this side of
it all.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Patrick also produced the previous show. Secretly is that him
and Brandon had this conversation off the air. Yeah, I
heard that was so riveting. It dominated an entire segment
of the last show too.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
That and then and if you told me, if you
just would have called me, it absolutely fits richie Veto
could be no one rich. It was great. It absolutely fits.
It fits them too. So Patrick's in the building, the
dumbest conversation. So much content coming out of Patrick today,
just content. It wasn't out of him. Patrick did, by
the way he would want to call it. He big

(02:56):
dogged me what I said, Hey, what's up? Patrick? He said,
what's up? Calvin? I said, how you doing? I said, hey, Man,
I never asked you for a fait outside of you
asking your mom to make cookies. That's neither any know
their statement all the time. And I said, hey, man,
I was wondering if you said no, Brandon brand is
that it? Hed he can do it? Before I even asked,
I'm like, so this is what it is. He moves

(03:18):
up a little slot up in here, producing now and
it felt like reverse racism. It felt like I don't
know what it was. I thought. I joked into Dolori
and it went back to nineteen forty seven or something.
That man looked me in my mind's like, no, get
somebody else to do it. I gotta sit in here,
he said, put the camera on me. I ain't doing it.
Put the camera on me. Keep going now you're telling

(03:38):
me Lebron James Kelvin, Washington Kelvin, that man Rob g
told me to get somebody else to do it. So
I have something mom be on Patrick's head today. Man,
I feel about that. And we got of course Mint's
gonna be on the updates in a moment and then
on the ones and twos.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I hate it so much that I hated so much
time I started, wait a minute, you sit next to
All the Top and Fox Sports Radio since it's inception. No,
I haven't, but pretty damn long. I never had a
drop until Alex felt bad for me and created one
because he was doing for himself. Mary was here for
like a week and a half. She had a jingle,
she had an open she had a nickname.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
That sounded like a you problem. I was, yeah, I
was upset. Okay, well, do you mind if I get
to Elijah. It's something you want to tell me about Elijah.
Elijah's in the building. He is gonna be on Elijah.
The guy right here is about ten feet in front
of me, right who elijahs in the building literally today,
and he's going to take care of all the digital
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we got some Kansas City Chief conversations to be had.
The gabbling drop. The jury had spoken, the judge reported
and made it known that Rashi Rice is gonna have

(05:03):
a six game suspension right off the bat. And if
you would call Rob g I don't know. A halful
of weeks ago, we were talking about where is it
gonna happen, middle of the middle of the season, could
be you know, first third, where it would it be,
how long would it be? Also, and Rob and I
had that conversation. Rob said kind of a combination of
he expects it to be pretty harsh and he himself
would want it to be the whole season. To really

(05:24):
make a point, I said, six to eight was kind
of what I was thinking, leaning more towards the six
because historically this league lets a lot go and Rashi Rice,
we know the car accident, walks away from the car wreck,
leaves just a bad situation. He and some friends leave,
and now here we are with the punishment. So I'm
gonna start with this. That is a massive blow for

(05:46):
a team that struggled offensively last year. And when you
deep dive into the numbers, they were horrible in one factor,
but they were great in the other. And I'll explain
what I mean. The Chiefs weren't great when you're talking
about plays down the field when you're talking about yards
poor attempt, when you're talking about big play and explosive plays,

(06:07):
they weren't that. And historically, similar to the Warriors, where
you create kind of a narrative of this is how
you play in our brains, this is what you're doing,
right Stephens shoot three clays, everybody shooting threes. This is
what they do. They're so explosive and when you find out,
you're like, no, they really get a lot of backdoor
layups and they play really good defense. That was the
Chiefs in the sense that you kind of just remember
them when you close your eyes, putting up thirty five
to forty a game, Patrick mahomes three four hundred yards

(06:28):
a game, and they really hadn't been that the last
couple of seasons. So from that end, getting Rashid Rice
was huge. Right, we're getting our main target back. We're
supposed to get the better and more refined version of
Travis Kelsey, the more locked in version, although he didn't
mess around and got engaged with the biggest most popular
woman on Earth arguably, so I don't know how that helped,
but you're supposed to get him back and read ready

(06:49):
better than ever and then of course you still have
Hollywood Brown coming back from from injury, and so you're
supposed to be saying, this is who Thank god we
got those pasts those couple of years. Well, I can
understand why somebody would be now pessimistic about the season.
But I look at it, it's like this, the other
side of that coin. They weren't explosive robb GI, but
they had the highest, one of the highest rates of
conversion of first downs they had. Patrick Mahomes had the

(07:12):
highest rate of third down conversions for a quarterback. So
we know what they did with their defense. I expect
the defense to be right there again. So I look
at this team as built for this, similarly to the Patriots,
built for whatever version we need to be, whatever iteration
we need to be this year to compete and to win.

(07:34):
And so I think Patrick Mahomes is ready for this.
I think a part of this was good that they've
gone through these last couple of seasons figuring out who
they were, having to persevere having guys in and out
of the lineup, and Patrick Mahomes doing just enough to
get by and get wins. To the two and of
fifteen and two, you would think again, you would think
they were ten and seven, nine and eight if you
fail from ours the way people talk about them. Yes

(07:55):
they were boring. Yes they weren't the most explosive. However,
they were fifteen and two. There's a reason for that
because they know how to win. Put him in any situation.
If I told you got forty seconds to go down
in the march touchdown, you'd believe him. If I told
you they only get three plays and they still got
to score touchdown, you believe they find a way. They've
been able to win this in spite of and so
I look at this season as another way that they're

(08:16):
going to be figuring it to staying out. Now, a
couple of things, why Hollywood Brown. I expect him to
be that deep threat that was needed now that he's
healthy and hopefully be able to go the duration of
the season. Right, we know worthy, exave, you're worthy. He
was really good as a rookie. I expected him even
better second year. Right now, he's really acclimated. Now he's
really in the system, and now he really knows what
Patrick Mahomes wants and desires, and they can move forward.

(08:37):
He can be even bigger and better and then if
you can just ride it out those first six weeks,
I'll even go as low as three and three. Four
and two is a little bit more Chiefs like of them.
But I look at this ass boom. Now we got
our top guy back and now we're off sailing. So
I don't expect this to be a major major blow
for them. I think they've been built for this. And

(08:59):
last Patrick Mahomes, we talked him a little bit about
this with rock Perty. He said, man, I was putting
a little bit too much pressure on me. I was
trying to do a little too much. And you can
even see it some of his own coaches, some outside execs,
suit and guys scouts who said you can see where
he was trying to overcompensate too much. He was actually
making ghost defensive plays where he was doing better than

(09:20):
what the defense was actually giving him. And I think
he was gonna bounce back. And he also mentioned the
team being tight because the hanging over them was the
three P gemm me three P, cammy three P, cammy
three P. He got three P and guys were a
little whild tightly. I think now that that's over, now
let's just get back. We lost bad. We got smacked
up in the super Bowl. Let's get back to the
super Bowl. Let's win a super Bowl and get back

(09:41):
to doing what we do. So disappointing. Yes, you lose
your best receiver who you're excited to have, but now
you don't. But I don't expect a major step back.
In fact, I expect their offense to be better than
it was last year until he gets back. I could
not disagree with you more. Let's start it off then, yes.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Because the Kansas City Chiefs. This might sound like a
hot take, even though I don't think it is okay.
With this Rashi Rice suspension now set for the beginning
of the Sea instad of the middle of the season,
I believe this cost them the AFC West for the
first time.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
It's twenty sixteen.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
They've won nine straight division titles, and they have been
the class of the division, class of the conference really
for basically like a decade. The Rashi Rice injury is
important because of where it's taking place. Obviously, it's their
best receiver that deals without question. Obviously, they've shown they
can win without him. They did that last season. They
then went fourteen and two without him, right or thirteen
to two. So it's not to say that they cannot

(10:32):
navigate a scenario where Rashi Rice is not there. But
to your point, Travis Kelcey took a big step back
each of the last two seasons to a point where
he was considering retirement. Me and we talked about this before.
If you are openly considering retirement, you are already retired.
So I don't care that Travis kelce dropped twenty pounds

(10:54):
or whatever's in the offseason. I don't care that he
did a GQU interview where he's saying, yeah, I was
a little bit distracted and that's why DI play so well.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
But now I'm locked in.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
That doesn't matter to me, all right, because mentally, I
feel like he's not as committed as he probably would
have been three, four or five years ago. Right, And
even if he is, it's more big picture in mind.
It's Hey, once we get to the playoffs, I'm gonna
turn it on like I always do. Everything's gonna be fine.
Don't worry about it. You mentioned Hollywood Brown. Hollywood Brown

(11:23):
has missed twenty two games over the last three years,
so I don't know if I can count on him,
especially after last seat him is basically the whole year
to be a guy that you can He's even nicked
up in training camp, right, So it basically comes down
to for Patrick Mahomes and that offense, a semi retired
Travis Kelce and an up and coming Xavier Worthy. Now
Xavier are Worthy. I believe in his long term potential,

(11:45):
believe in his talent. The problem is he's still very
young number one, and number two, he's a small guy,
so I don't think you can count on him to
be your go to offensive weapon during this Rashi Rice suspension.
And last but not least, and this is more important,
if you look at their schedule in the first six
weeks of this upcoming season, they're gonna be facing two

(12:07):
teams that I believe are at a minimum on par
with them entering this year, and two teams that I
believe one thousand are better than them this year. So
they're gonna open things up in twenty twenty five. Here,
they got the.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Chargers in Brazil.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
I think they're probably gonna win that game because they're
gonna be paired for a couple of weeks. The Chargers
historically play them tough, they won't actually beat them right,
then you got the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Week two.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I think the Eagles, I'm not saying they're gonna win
thirty four to six, but it you know, they should
roll in that one.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Even if it's in Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Joe just saying, Okay, the Giants, I'm on record picking
them to win the FC East. I don't think they're
gonna win that particular game in Week three, but they'll
give them more than they can handle because their front
four is very good and the Chiefs offensive line is
still gonna be working its way in the form. After that,
you got the Ravens and then you got the Jags.
So it is on the table for them to start

(12:57):
the season two and four, three and three. Again, I'm
not saying they're gonna miss the playoffs, because I don't
think they're not gonna slip off. But last season they
want eleven games by one score less or by one score, right,
if less than the one score. The law of averages says,

(13:18):
at some point you're gonna number one lose one, but
you're gonna lose several because it's gonna balance out over time.
Even the best teams probably win sixty percent of the time,
maybe sixty five percent of the time. So if instead
of winning eleven games by one score, maybe you win seven,
you go seven and four, right, And that's the difference
between you going fifteen and two or eleven and six,

(13:40):
ten and seven. And that's why I believe this season,
as much as they hate to say, the Denver Broncos
are gonna win that division.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
So let me tell you how you're wrong. Okay, Number one,
you have you had the Broncos I think are gonna
be a perfectly fine team. But then you're everything you're saying.
You're not allowing for what the Broncos meaning there's no setback.
Maybe that was maybe that was them playing better and
over their heads they could take a step back, right,
because you're going with a team we haven't seen prove
anything versus the team we literally have. You just told

(14:10):
me nine straight AFC West Division titles. So you're going
against what we know in talking about a hypothetical, right,
and the Broncos, we guess bow Knicks, who I like,
But you're putting up against Patrick Mahomes who finds a
way every single time to get it done. So I'm
not going against that. Then you want to talk about
loss averages. Well, dang it, Rob Gee. Some people say,

(14:31):
screw you, law of averages. Tom Brady wants supposed to be
playing in lead with sixty two winning super Bowl titles
and that division dominating and winning year after year. Right
at some point, Calvin Washington and Rob g fifteen twenty
years ago would have been sitting there and you would
have said, no way, the Patriots are doing this, No
way Tim Duncan is gonna be playing twenty year laters
still come competing winning championships. My point is, sometimes when

(14:54):
you're in such a great situation, when there's a great
pairing from owner to GM to coach to quarterback, and
you you have an ethos in a way about you,
the laws of averages don't necessarily fit. When I got
Michael Jordan, I can win three, go play baseball, come back,
win three. It don't make sense. But sometimes you have
that type of guy and that type of team, And

(15:14):
with Patrick Mahomes, there's no way I'm going against that.
Because later on we're gonna talk about a guy in
Josh Allen who's got some things going on. We'll get
to there's a number in there as well that the
brother has been doing everything right, Yes, just can't beat him,
and laws of averages will say, if I was doing
this and you and I will get there with the numbers,
that means I'm beating this person. And now, Bro, that's
not the case. So I hear what you're saying. But

(15:34):
I can't necessarily just ride with the Broncos, who are
more of an up and coming and I have to
still see, let me get a couple of seasons out
of it, rob g. First, I'm gonna go against the
guy who's doing it for nearly a decade, and he'll
coach who has been nothing but successful his whole career,
and I'm like, Nah, this ain't the year they do it.
You know why they're not doing it? Why because she
rice missing sixty.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
You're talking like I'm saying they're gonna miss the playoffs
and they're gonna suck. No, they're gonna be very good.
They're gonna win ten or eleven games. The problem is
the team that's in their division is gonna win twelve
or thirteen. Settle down. True praise is not walking through
that door. For Sean Payton, bo Nicko.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Their defense is great. I do agree with that, and
I like them and I actually like the Broncos, but
settle down with the thirteen John l Way ain't walking
through that real quick. Are the Chiefs beating your Detroit
Lions without Rashi Race? No? Absolutely, yeah, of course there'll
be five to one. They're gonna lose that one game,
could beat them in the Super Bowl. What's supposed to
be the Dagon forty nine as the whole world wanted

(16:31):
that right deep down. Rob Parker even wanted that, but
d D deep down, deep deep deep down, he wanted that.
All right, more on that Rashi Rice again and what
that could mean for the Chiefs. I totally disagree with.
You don't forget off. So we got Jesse Nuwell coming
up as well. If you want to get in a call,
well maybe sweezing the call if you'd like to eight
seven seven ninety nine on Fox, if you want to

(16:53):
be more on Rob g side of this. For the Broncos,
who again, I think you're gonna be up there, not
gonna be thirteen and four and they're not gonna be
beating the Chiefs in that. I don't see it. Maybe
you're with me with Rob G eight seven seven ninety
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Speaker 1 (18:16):
That's Covino and Rich. That's right, you heard it. Rob
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couple on this Worship Wednesday where we have Michael Fabiano
getting ready to join us in about thirty minutes or so,
Sports Illustrated Seenior Fantasy analysts.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
He can tell you how bad of it is. An
idea is to have a new fantasy league a week
before the season starts.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Don't do me like that. That's a terrible idea. What's
your point. It's gonna be like three people's mean you
and your daughter, and I'm gonna find somebody. Find somebody listens.
Matter of fact, Miss Mary Mack, turn the music down
right now. Let music listen, y'all. If you have a
fantasy league and you have enough people and they're serious

(18:58):
and they really want to be in a hitchaboy kdub
live on sou Social, I'll join kW the right randomness people.
How many are you in? Though? Patrick? I don't want
you to join. If I'm like your six lee, I
feel like as a relationship, I don't want to be
not my segs. I'm only in two. I can go
for three. Okay, all right, all right, you got one.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
I got one as long as I'm not commissioner because
I'm commissioning to.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
See that's what happened. I was the commissioner for thirteen
fourteen years, rob g and I got tired of it.
And yeah, yeah I had a kid, Yeah you had
another one, Yeah, I had another one in the twenty twenties.
Roight she nobody has three kids in the twenty twenties.
What am I doing? Miss Mary Mac? Three kids in
the twenty twenty is like six in the eighties. Keep

(19:39):
that energy away from me to in the eighties. You're young,
you might get up there. And then I had another
job the way her jawge is dropping. And then I
had another job, and so I had to fall back
for a few years, come out two or three years.
So now I'm like, you know what, I want to
get my fantasy back on. My wife said what I say,
hold on, baby, I met football, and so you don't
expect me to part taking any of that weird stuff. No, no, no,

(20:00):
my mom will joined Kelvin. I swear, I swear my
mam will joined. No No, So to your mom, we are.
We're forming our own relationship without Bomas. We do.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
So.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, kitub Live hit you boy, if you if you
got a league, I might be interested in enjoying it.
I don't want to get back. I gotta hit the
other station up to the Spectrum News one. I got
to talk to them too. I got a few days
to make this happen all right on the other side,
So we got one's got to go to the bottom
of the hour. We're looking forward to that and then
next hour our Jay Young Fox Sports national college football analysts,
as we got some big games coming up over the
weekend as well. All right, let's let's talk about this one. Uh,

(20:31):
the Bears have been If the Browns have dominated, the
Cowboys have dominated, I would argue maybe the Bears have
been the third biggest story. Ken Brown's medalist for sure. Yeah,
they're the bronze medalists. Hey, they still meddled, and that
is because Ben Johnson, first time head coach over there,
and obviously Kayler William former Heisman winner, second year. This year,
folks want to see more from him. Uh, let's just
talk about the way we are right now. Rober, you
I have you break it down the latest with the potential.

(20:54):
You gotta report that. Don't be scared. Don't be scared.
It's not crazy for there to be a situation said
where Caleb might get benched.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, which is crazy because the person who said it
is not a guy like me, who's, you know, watching
from Afar. It's not a guy like you was watching
from Afar. It is a guy who's in the building
every single day. Bears Beat reporter Dan Wheeder or The Athletic,
did an interview in Chicago on Monday, and he was
talking about the situation with the team, more specifically as
it relates to the Ben Johnson Caleb Williams marriage, which

(21:25):
publicly from the outside looking in doesn't seem great. You know,
but we're not there every day, we don't know for sure.
During the conversation, Wheeter said something that really blew people's minds.
And here's what he said. Quote, I don't think this
head coach is just gonna sit around on his hands
and go, you know, we're just gonna give Caleb forever
to meet and reach the checkpoints we've set out for him.

(21:47):
And so because you now have a QB two Entyson
bagent that everyone in the building believes in and continues
to show significant progress from where he was too plus
years ago when he walked into the building. That conversation
talking about going from Williams to Beijing isn't one that
Chicago should be scared of the idea again, to summarize

(22:10):
the idea is what he's saying, the idea that the
Bears could have a quarterback controversy in year one of
the Ben Johnson era.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Don't be scared. Don't be scared your thoughts all right.
So here here's why I want to break this down.
You have a coach and Ben Johnson who is a
first timer in the NFL, which stands for a couple
of things will come the no Fun League but also
known as the not for long League, stepily for coaches.

(22:41):
And Ben Johnson's coming to a situation where he inherits
a Heisman Trophy winner who everybody said he is the
next thing since Andrew Luck and the talent is there
clearly to the tune of a Heisman But also we've
just been able to see make some throws, he's able
to run. You're like, man, the talent is there. We
have to work on the intangibles and the other things.
But I think this is why this this is either
gonna work or could be volatile, because if you got

(23:03):
the guy and Ben Johnson, who can extract the most
from Caleb, who can expect the most from of Caleb,
who can say, yeah, I know you can do all
that the sandlot backyard football, You've got that. You've been
able to do that since probably Pop Warner all the
way up the high school to college and now the pros.
That doesn't work like that now. The issue is you

(23:24):
pair the two improvisation making stuff happen, superman kind of
guy with a system, timing, precision guy. So they either
got to find a way to meet leaning towards the middle,
maybe a little bit more towards Ben Johnson, or it's
just not gonna work because this is what Ben Johnson

(23:44):
had been dealing with. You know what Jared Goff's completion
percentage was last year? What was it? Seventy two o
g wow for the season, not a game, not a division,
not a player. Seventy two point four before that sixty
seven sixty five sixty seven sixty seven cent. So my

(24:04):
point is he's used to and more important than just
the completion percentage, it's the timing, it's the precision. And
you know what the beauty of knowing your weaknesses are.
You know what you can and can't do right. Jared
Goff knows if this play doesn't work. He's got that
old school Peyton manning. What is that member? Peyton would
just fall before you can even hit me. Hi boom
one two, He's not drop. You're not even gonna sack me. Now,

(24:27):
canna put your hands on me? Next play? Yep. Jared
Goff is built like that precision timing. Who's open accuracy? Okay,
get it out, but let's move us go. And that
was how that offense ran. Ben Johnson ran a top
five offense for his entire time with the Lions, number
one last year in offense. So what I'm saying is

(24:48):
he's used to a certain way, and I think there's
a level of frustration, and he's also used to a
guy in Jared Goff who had been what cast off. Yeah,
you got us to a super Bowl, but it wasn't you.
It was us. We're good enough without you. Go get
out of here, go to Detroit. Some people will call
the Depths of Hell an NFL right, And he had
a bounce back, no, i'mna prove you wrong attitude already

(25:11):
a veteran something to prove. And again now he has
a different type of skill set than Caleb, and I
think Ben Johnson. He looks at the backup and he says,
I mean, I don't want to go there, but that's
more what I'm used to. If this is weird science,
shout up to the movie in the eighties, and I'm

(25:31):
building something, it looks a little bit more like that,
because that's what I'm used to. That's what I can
work with. And I have to break twenty three year
old habits with you, of you being able to do
what you do to the tune of a heisman, so
you think it's the right way to do it, yep.
And I have to try to break that. And I
think he's frustrated with them not breaking the huddle fast enough.
We know that. I think he's frustrated with how bad

(25:52):
they looked his last preseason game and he's like, dude,
this is our third game.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
We're down seventeen to nothing before we got to switch
to start off exactly, this is our third game. I
think he's frustrated with the inaccuracy. We talk about it
and had hoop shorts and T shirts and you're going
five for seventeen, And I think there's a level of
him that says, also the reason I brought up the
NFL not for long.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I'm not gonna sit up here and we go four
and thirteen, five and twelve and don't look good and
everybody blaming it on me, and it looks bad because
I'm not a former number one pick in the high
scho where I might get another year or two. We
got to wake it work. That was our pick. They
might let me go quick. Right. We know that you
can be successful and get you met coach of the
Year in sports and get fired the next season it's happened.

(26:34):
You can win the Super Bowl two years later you
out of a jilt exactly. So I think he is
just why he's just saying, look, man, get it right,
and for him to say it publicly, I don't want
to make the same ones he said, long as we're
heading right for the directions and not making the same
mistakes twice. I think he's doing some trying to do
some zen Master, Phil Jackson, Jedi Mintrie. Hey, Caleb, get
it right, brother, because I got a guy like just

(26:56):
got a deal two year, ten mil, which is a
good amount for a back. Yeah, especially a backup who's
not like Jameis Winston can get it. We're used to
that exactly. He's been here for a long time, Jacobe,
wereset those kind of guys. He's not that. So I
just understand it, and I think their styles they're gonna
have to find a way to meet in the middle.
Leaning more towards Ben Johnson, otherwise, I could just see

(27:17):
him saying, man, I can't deal with this the more
remedial issues.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, no, I'm with you, and it's well documented. You
can check my twitter out at to producer RG that
I am not a big Caleb Williams fan. I just
don't believe that his style of football necessarily translate to
most NFL teams. Are their exceptions, obviously, Patrick Mahomes, you know,
had a quarterback coach or a head coach, excuse me,
and Andy Reid who was willing to let him do

(27:41):
the backyard stuff, but then he'd reel them in right.
But for the most part, if you look at a
lot of these most successful coaches, Sean McVay, Ben Johnson,
is Won, Kyle Shanahan, they're the type where it's like, no,
my system, run my system, it works, trust me. It's
like novacaine. Give it time, it's gonna work. As long
as you do what I tell you to do, we're
gonna be successful. And that's not necessarily the way that

(28:03):
Caleb Williams plays. Even with that said, I'm with you
in the sense that if this goes sideways, I don't
believe it's gonna be because of him. It's gonna be because,
as you mentioned Ben Johnson, again, it's only the preseason,
it's only the off season, it's only training camp.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
He has shown himself to be a little bit short tempered,
he has shown himself to be a little bit on
edge all the time. He has shown himself so far,
at least, to be unable to kind of connect to
these guys as professionals, as personal guy, as personal men
and women you know on the staff. He is like

(28:42):
a lot of guys are Historically, I was a play designer,
a play caller. I'm in my little cave drawing up
some really cool stuff, and I'm great with the x's
and o's. I'd necessarily have to worry about the timeouts,
I have to worry about the media. I'd have to
worry about all the things that come along with being
I had football code in the NFL, and because of that,

(29:03):
as you mentioned, he wants things done a certain way,
and what he wants is not at all what Kayler
Williams does well. We mentioned the athletic quarterback tiers that
came out a few weeks ago and one of the
reasons why, or as the biggest reason why Kayla Williams
was consistently in Tier three despite being viewed as a

(29:23):
generational prospect. Here are the quotes in terms of processing,
ability to get in the ball out of his hands.
It was the worst we played against. Here's another one.
Processing to me was alarming watching the tape, so I
could totally see a scenario where, because we've already seen
it this offseason in preseason in training camp, Ben Johnson

(29:45):
throws his offense off the field. Ben Johnson says, Luther Burning,
you cannot work in with the first and second team
because you didn't do this right. So I'm gonna punish
you in this regard. I could see a scenario just
looking at their schedule the first five games of the year,
they got Vikings, Lions, Cowboys, Raiders, Commanders, depending how you

(30:05):
feel about them, there is a scenario where they start
off one in five, two, and four. And I could
totally see a situation where Cayleb Williams is in a
game and he's going nine for twenty one, or he's
you know, twelve for thirty or whatever it is. He's
having one of those games that young quarterbacks have all
the time. It's not normally a cause for concern.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
It just happens.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
But maybe he's you know, zero touchdowns, two interceptions or
no touchdowns, one pick, he lost the fumble, he's been
sacked a couple of times. Whatever it is. Right, he's
holding the ball too long. They're down big. The coach says, hey,
it's not your day, Caleb. Don't worry about it. We
don't want you to get hurt. Let's throw in Tyson
Bagent real quick. Let him finish this one off. We'll

(30:46):
live to fight another day. And then Tyson beagent running
the system that Ben Johnson knows and loves comes in
and leads him to a quick scoring drive. So instead
of losing thirty one nothing, they lose thirty one to
ten whatever it is. And then next thing, you know,
we got a quarterback controversy because Ben Johnson didn't necessarily
shut it down by saying, hey, Caleb's our guy or man,

(31:08):
it was great to see Tyson out there. He looked
really good, he looked really comfortable. And again it's not
necessarily Caleb's fault because he's young and he's supposed to
go through this kind of stuff. But the way Ben
Johnson's wired, man, I could totally see a scenario where
this ends, not ends, but there's some rough fatches there
at Chicago.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Here's where I will give some caution to Ben Johnson. Though.
This reminds me a little bit of the JJ Reddick
guys who are so high strong and I watch so
much film. You don't understand, don't you see it? A
lot like calm down? You know why Phil Jackson was
great because he said, Hey, Dennis Robin, go to Vegas
in the middle of season, right, blow off some steam.
That's what you mean? Oh you mean just just tonight? No, no, no,

(31:48):
miss games who does that right. You look at Ben Johnson,
where'd he come from? Detroit? Dan Campbell more of the
overarching coach. I'm the whole like this Ski, I'm not
in that, and O I'm the just modern managing the
temperament of the team, the personalities we kind of have,
my ethos, my vibe, my aura that sometimes is a

(32:10):
head coach. Head coach isn't always just you know, we're
gonna do it, this might win in and high strung something.
You look at Sean McVay, he's high strong a bit,
but he's also very much a player's coach. He's probably
I would imagine if we sat him right here, and
I've heard him talk about it, just living in la
a lot. He's had had to learn that.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
That balance of Mike Tomlin is one of those guys
who you look at who he's had on his team
and the fact that he was able to keep him
together get to the playoffs every year.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
A great balance of big Ben Antonio Brown, Levan Bell,
I'm the same roster, a great balance of expectations and
holding you to a high standard, but also play, Hey,
what's going on man, how's everything? So Ben Johnson well
will have to learn that it ain't always about me
just proving my point and who's right and wrong. And
I'm gonna say this in the media, especially when you
don't have that equity, right, Mike Thoma can do it.

(32:57):
He Mike Tomlin at this point, right, Andy Reek, and
he's and read. You do have to earn that, And
especially in the time where they're like, uh, Janna Jackson,
what have you done for me? Like? Who? I mean,
that's how what you're doing with Dedroit, But who are you?
Ain't doing nothing here?

Speaker 3 (33:08):
It's like when you're throwing guys out of practice the
first day, like what's what's the next step?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Right? And exactly? And I think you're trying to set
a tone, but it's like, I don't know what your
tone setting is, right? Who are you that Bill Belichick
could do that? And we all would know what that meant? Yep,
I don't know your standing. I don't know what you're
going to do. So is Bill Belichick came there with
Super Bowl rings already to New England? He did, as
we were watching right now, told you they got the
thirty to thirty going, all right, So it will be

(33:37):
very interesting to see this play out. But I think Kayleeah,
they're they're in a position where if Caleb can just
start to improve in those things because he has a
mastermind at it. But also Ben Johnson's gonna have to
practice patience more than he probably had to do the
last four or five years with Jared goff In, a
pro and a veteran who had a lot to prove
coming from, you know, being kind of outcast from the Rams,

(33:58):
who wanted to bounce back and you know, prove them wrong.
So there was that, all right, Josh Allen Uh had
some thoughts on how he can improve. Do we agree
with those changes? We'll tell you. It's thea couple Rob
g In for ro p covin Washington. They couple on
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
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Speaker 1 (34:30):
Praise you for the rest of our days. Come on, Matti, Actually,
don't do it, Manzi right now, right now, we don't
have time. Don't act like he was at a Dodger
game and it was all exoustic. Stop it. It's the couple.
Kevin Washington rob G inf on a worship Wednesday, and
I'm gonna get straight to it right now. It is
signed for One's Gotta Go, all right, So in honor
of Travis Kelce getting on that knee, looking Taylor in

(34:53):
his face and saying me, me at the author and
yo I dress and she said yes and I'm go
and wrote a song about it. All right. We only
have a few minutes here. Let's get to it. The
ones gotta go this edition Patrick Moncey, uh, Miss Mary mac.
Rob G myself is proposing to a woman. Manci the
song's over. Mike Goodness, I'm still singing it. We're proposing

(35:15):
to a woman ways and wish to do it. Are
you ready? Here we go an airplane. You know you've
seen that where it's like Sarah, will you marry me?
The banner on the plane? Okay, write them down, banner
on the plane. A game you had, a Dodger game.
Please fort your attention to section five. Rob G wants
to know. And then you go like that that's one

(35:36):
family or friends of it, like all hanging out and
family friends and bam you just get under knee. Everybody
screaming a mall like you're just you know how they
drop down like a flash mob at the mall. You're
sitting in the mall and they just dropping. Everybody looks
and everybody staring, like an impromptu random place like that.
And lastly, work, akaa her job like you just you

(35:57):
pull she's at work. You're just surprised you pull up.
One's gotta go. A lot of them got to go.
That's the real that's the real answer. But don't really,
but only one has to go. So manzi, if you ready,
Patrick or miss Mary Mack, whoever's right, Patrick, you're ready,
go ahead.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
I'm ready not to pick one. It's the mall one.
Come on, that's random. Nah, I'm out on the mall one.
I'm gonna add in the mall. What I mean is
you're like a random place. You get what I'm saying, Like,
how do you out in public?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Out on that though?

Speaker 6 (36:27):
But you're out at dinner, you're out at here.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Maybe that'd kind of one. You know Disney. You see
it at Disney, like in front of the castle, always
in front of the castle. I think she'd be going
to like, oh this is why are we over the castles?
Is really just something you walk through here go ahead,
manzi running a long time. A lot of them have
to go.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
But I think for me at a game, I can't
be at work, and okay a Laker game, man, I
can't be at the Clipper game cheering for the beard
and the claw and.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Then you're going down on one knee. I ain't got
time for that. I am painted. I can't.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
We're in the middle of a come back right now.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Forever she thinks she was the curse. I should have
never got engaged right to the playoffs, like in my
Yankee stadium. Get here and judge. No, all right, no,
so no game, we got no mall, just kind of
out in public.

Speaker 7 (37:12):
Mary, I'm not gonna lie. I'll be damn You do
it on the plane though, Well, no, I'm not on
a plane.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Remember it's the banner of the you're sitting there, the
ban on the plane, the banner on the plane, like
the planes to narrow in there. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (37:26):
I hate all of them though, But no, not my job.
Don't do it on my job. He's God forbid, not
at the job. I'll be looking like a bum here.
Why would you propose?

Speaker 3 (37:34):
I got blanket on and sweatpants Rockley, rob G, big facts,
A lot of them got to go, Like you guys said,
the airplane banner got to go, really the airplane batter
because it's like this cheesy n eighties no more.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
It is cheesy, but you could get away with it,
like nobody has to see it.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Everybody's gonna see it. You just like that's not for you,
that's not that's not for me, somebody else, somebody else.
I think the one that has to go is Believe
it or Not a game as well, because I think
that's just too much prep. Like I'm sure, Yeah, and
then you made the whole thing. We're on the jumbo
Tron and just and and and just and you lose

(38:12):
the intimacy of the moment. Yeah, And it's just too
many And maybe you wanted to tell people later now
it's all over social you didn't even have Bleacher Reports
got enough. Fox Sports got it up. So yeah, I
think that would happened to you propose, you know, yeah,
like you're proposing everybody else. So all right, well, congrats
to Travis and Taylor and uh, I might put this
one on socials and see what people say as well.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Might be
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